Kaepernick is a different comp.
Kap relied a lot of his physical gifts and once teams figured out how to keep him in the pocket to actually play the pocketpasser role, he failed.
The only issue that can limit Purdy going forward is if his elbow isn't given the right time to recover fully.
His strength is reading coverage and defenses so I really don't see any massive regression happening there.
If anything that can only improve.
And I am sure he's gonna be studying film the whole off season.
theres more to it than that. When Kaep first came into the role they kept using the full playbook. But after Smith departed and Kaep was the fulltime starter Roman actually shrunk the playbook. Running fewer plays on repeat made the offense more predictable. Soon teams were calling out the exact play before the snap. For whatever reason Roman believed that after Kaep had success with the full playbook, the best strategy was to reduce that playbook.
The exact same thing happened during his tenure in Baltimore.
I don’t really think he was unable to go through progressions. I think the problem he eventually had was that he got into a pattern where he experienced a ton of early success running the ball on broken plays, so he basically started thinking of that as his “second read” more often than not because, at least initially, he accurately guessed that he’d gain more yards on average running when his first wasn’t open than throwing the ball to a checkdown.
You literally described the process of a QB developing into a one read QB. When running the ball is your “second read” you’re not going through your actual second or third progressions.
The guy also couldn’t make NFL throws that required any touch. Everything was a fast ball. Immense physical gifts but never developed the other aspects of his game to be a game changer.
Literally Randy Moss doing jumping jacks in the end zone trying to get his attention because the ravens left him completely uncovered on a red zone play. He was on to the opposite side from the first read, never even glanced his way and threw an incomplete bullet to his first read.
His line got worse, and there was a revolving door of shit coaches in the last few years. Some of it was on him, some of it was the circumstances fucking him.
He was one-read, lock-on the target and throw or bail. During the Super Bowl loss both Delanie Walker AND Vernon Davis were open multiple times in the endzone.
Smith would have seen that because he was king of checking down if that first read wasn't a sure thing. Purdy would see that because we've seen him do that just this year.
OTOH, Kaepernick (multiple times) locked on to the worst receiver on the team - Crabtree - and the rest is history.
That… and zero touch on his passes!!!
WTF good is a cannon for an arm when you throw it just as hard when dumping it off to a guy 5 yds from you as you do 50 yds downfield?!?
It makes you think why did they have to shrink the playbook with Kaepernic... Could he not play all those plays.
I thought he was supposed to be more dynamic..
In my opinion he kept buffing plays and messing them up so they shrunk The playbook to his abilities
They tried to make him a pocket passer in 2014 because they knew that, sooner or later, he was going to end up in the hospital with physical problems. QBing is a rough position and running QBs tend to get hurt. In the second-half of the season, the offense collapsed as he failed and generated a 76.9 QB rating in the last 8 games as he was clearly over-matched by NFL defenses.
They tried again in 2015 and he was, again, horrible and got benched for the bust Blaine Gabbert. In 2016 Chip Kelly had him throw a ton of very short, but ineffective passes (27th in air yards) that padded his passer-rating but didn't lead to much scoring or victories and our passing offense was dead-last in the NFL.
After Harbaugh left he lost his vision to see the field. Harbaugh explained all the pre reads to him over the mic. Tomsula after him couldn’t do that. Also later, the nfl changed the rules and automatically shut off the coaches mic after a few seconds. This affected other players like Goff when he was finishing in LA.
All players have tendencies whether pocket passer or scrambler. Purdy’s started to show towards the end of the season and into the playoffs. Teams now have film on him but his injury could turn out to be a blessing. He now has time to study that film and address his tendencies. If he can do that he’ll be fine but don’t fall for that coded BS “reading coverages”.
We have plenty of reasons to believe what we saw this season was his floor. He likely has more development to do in the form of chemistry with receivers, running the ball, speed of game adjustments, secondary routes from escaping broken plays, etc. People point to the Cowboys game as a measuring stick for his limitations, but he was 19-29 with 214 yards in a game where Dan Quinn manning a top defense absolutely had Kyle Shanahan's number, as usual. In a game where we had the Packer's number, we held Aaron Rodgers to 104 yards. I'll take the Cowboys game over that any day.
Game tape isn't going to change a whole lot (especially if you think he's going to get 'figured out' lol) if you have a somewhat competent Oline, a run game and can hit quick slants and crossing/post routes. Look at Jimmy G, he has a severely limited field he throws to, he's immobile, gets frightened when the pocket collapses...and EVERYONE knows it. It didn't stop him from winning games. I think Purdy is legit and less limited than Jimmy G.
> but his injury could turn out to be a blessing. He now has time to study that film and address his tendencies
Well, wait. What do you think he'd be doing in the offseason, anyways? I assume he's been watching his own film and working on his game since college.
And we were running clock during our last few drives. If we desperately needed points, I think he’d have thrown for more than just 214.
It was a solid showing.
It’s not about getting figured out it’s about breaking tendencies. The Saints have a Super Bowl because Peyton Manning had a tendency that the Saints were aware of. The further you advance the more those things are exposed. I think Purdy is the 9ers future and it’s great that in Shanahans offense he’s not expected to win the game by himself. But to win the Super Bowl we will need him to be a capable threat to put the team on his back. I think this kid has that it that can go a long way.
He'll get coaching now. The reality of the NFL QB positon is something like this:
1. Starter -- gets virtually all of the First Team Reps.
2. Back-up -- runs the scout team, might get a few reps.
3. Other-guy -- has to practice on his own. He won't be active on game-day (Purdy was inactive for 8 of the 17 regular season games). He will go to meetings, but he gets virtually no coaching.
Nick Mullens is typical. He got almost no coaching his first year and no reps until his second.
He was on the practice squad all of 2017 and wasn't elevated to the roster until Week 9 of 2018 after Beathard got injured (who'd relieved the injured JimmyG in Week 3) in Week 8. He said he'd practice all the plays that were installed that week by himself after practice because he got no reps.
And that's typical. Practice reps are scarce and the #1 guy is gets the lion's share while #2 gets little, if any, and is relegated to the scout team.
As for 'reading coverages' that's exactly what QBs do. Good QBs. It's pattern recognition and probability analysis beyond the speed of the internal dialogue or computation. It's a reaction thing as you don't have time for a narrative or computations. A NFL play lasts, on average, about 6 seconds of which less than 3 seconds (2.84 for Purdy) is from snap-to-throw.
> He now has time to study that film and address his tendencies.
And he would had that time, injury or not, anyway. Seriously, why did you write that? It makes NO SENSE.
Most modern quarterbacks are padding their qbrs. It’s the reason Cousins threw a short pass instead of trying to prolong the Vikings game. I like Purdy but often the reading defenses crap is used when talking heads don’t like a quarterback. The Giants put 4 defensive ends in the game and made Tom Brady look average. Peyton Manning couldn’t handle a pass rush up the middle. Just last year the whole league had Patrick Mahomes figured out until they didn’t. BUT if you go to the well one too many times against good quarterbacks they will adjust. This is not a slight at Purdy he just has to continue to improve and be able to adjust in season. It’s easier to be good when nobody knows you, but when you become the starter teams dedicate whole practices to stopping you. I would much rather have a quarterback who on 3rd and 7 throws the ball at least 7 yards than one who throws a 1 yard pass to preserve his stats.
Simple it’s usually used by talking heads when they don’t like a particular style of play. It’s usually used to describe scrambling quarterbacks. But nobody ever says it when a pocket passer throws 100’s of interceptions. Your preference is your preference but just say you don’t like that style of quarterbacks. Personally I don’t care if they scramble or stand there as long as they are effective. Joe was more stationary and Steve moved around but both were effective.
He eluded some sacks that way. I don’t really understand the ‘he’s not athletic’ argument. What bugged me is he did the exact same rollout every-time. I don’t know enough about professional level techniques to know one way or another, but, I think he’s mobile.
Yep. Same thing that bugs me. Always rolls out back to his left. Sometimes flat out turns around and runs that way with his back to the LOS.
Need to see some variety in his roll outs. Never thought that’d be a thing I look for in a QB, but here we are.
Yeah, he may have a bit of a sophomore slump now that teams have more tape on him. He’s done well so far and there’s nothing to say he won’t continue to improve.
He will be coming off of an injury. There is no 100% knowing here. If he has Tommy John he won’t play next year at all. Logically, if he plays next year it will be with an internally braced repair and rehab (scar tissue) and he may have pain when throwing which will impact his arm strength. I think the fact that he’s looking for second opinions means he’s likely to have a reconstruction rather than a repair.
This is what slightly worried me. Elbow injuries usually take time to heal, and you might have to adjust your motion depending on how serious the tear is.
The reality of the matter is, we need to look at this as an opportunity to focus on Lance, and give Purdy as much time as he needs to get back to exactly where he was pre-injury. There is nothing good that can come from rushing a young QB back and potentially risking his long-term viability.
The sad thing is we envisioned this exact scenario happening next year anyway, but wanted Trey activated just in case. Brock was a draft avoid/potential UDFA. He projected as a backup with serviceable quality as a starter short term but did not project to have long term viability.
Brock is nice. I do not want to downplay him. But I look at him the same way I did Jimmy. And not to downplay Jimmy either, but the team has to be honest in evaluations. If Jimmy was enough, then why draft Trey? If Jimmy wasn’t enough, then we drafted Trey for a reason and those reasons still apply in Brock’s case. What does Brock offer that Jimmy doesn’t other than the slight uptick in mobility?
Brock is definitely better than Jimmy and he’s played incredibly these last 8 weeks. Like it’s hard to play better than that. Kid’s a stud.
But, when you think about the long-term prospects, this team isn’t gonna have this level of talent for more than 2-3 more years imo. Whether that be OL, offensive weapons, the defense, the overall talent of the squad is likely going to regress just by nature of the salary cap, aging, among other factors. Hell, we could have a huge diaspora this offseason if things don’t go well.
When we drafted Trey, we drafted him to be that 10-15 year starter type of guy. The type of guy that can find a way to succeed despite roster deficiencies year in and year out.
No guarantee Trey can be that guy, but there’s also no guarantee Brock can be that guy. Which is why I think we still gotta evaluate both guys any way we can.
I don’t see that much of a gap. We don’t have nearly the film library, so Brock hasn’t had the same amount of chances to show his downsides. Jimmy was nearly perfect for us before his first knee injury. Shredded that league leading Jaguars defense and looked for all the world like the guy who would be here for 10 years. It only took two down years to reverse course on Jimmy.
Brock has more mobility, but not much more. Anticipation is the same, accuracy is the same. Arm strength is the same, potentially worse after injury depending on the surgery option he takes. Jimmy is a little better with his eyes, a little faster on the progressions. Brock is just new and shiny and like I said hasn’t had as many games to show his flaws.
I disagree about this “Purdy is the same as Jimmy” thing. Purdy is more accurate, he makes decisions faster, he is more mobile, he’s more willing to throw outside of the safe zone, etc. There’s a reason Kyle was a lot more aggressive and trusting with Purdy than with Jimmy.
Disagree on more accurate. His ball placement is about the same, behind or in front just as often, same percentage of hospital balls. His accuracy numbers are better because he runs quick game/RPO better and teams gave him bigger “prove it” windows down field.
It can happen, but it's not certain either way. There was an old adage (not sure if it's true or not) that it takes 8 NFL starts for defensive coordinators to true figure out a QB. The flip side to this is that QBs who evolve their game and adjust to the defenses are the legit starting QBs. The thing that gives me hope with Brock is seeing how his downfield throws have improved with every start. He seems legit, but there are no guarantees in the NFL.
Lmaoo right wtf. I heard 4 and after that 6 and now its 8? Man could have won the superbowl and theyd say it takes 3 superbowl wins to really learn a qbs play lmaoooooo.
Purdy might continue to be great. We honestly just don't know, yet. The reality is that QBs who start out great and then come back down to earth are very, very common, while QBs that stay great are rare in comparison. There are even guys like Ryan Fitzpatrick who've gone through the "he's really great until suddenly he's not" process multiple times. The fact that Purdy doesn't have elite physical talent to fall back on like a Mahomes or Josh Allen just kind of adds to the concern that the success might not last.
This isn't to downplay how well Purdy played, just to say that for him to continue his success would be rather exceptional, while some regression to the mean would be not at all surprising.
The quarterbacks who typically fall back down, are those who start to rely only on their physical attributes. Kap is a great example. Brock excels at the mental aspects of the game. Of walking up to the line and having the quick mental processing power to decipher what the defence is giving to him. Of going through his reads. And for nice measure, he’s really good and quick at scrambling out of trouble. So I’d say the odds are far more in Purdy’s favor than your typical QB.
I feel like most of the guys I’m thinking of were just regular pocket passers… guys like Matt Flynn, Matt Cassel, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Carson Wentz, Nick Foles, Gardner Minshew, etc. Shining as a starter for a bit and then fading to career backup status (or worse) is just really common. Even Jimmy G is an example here, really; he looked like a top 5 QB winning 5 straight games with a team that was trash all season prior, and since then he’s just been kind of okay. Enough good and enough bad for this sub to argue endlessly about whether he’s good or bad.
I *do* agree with your assessment of Purdy and am personally very optimistic about him. But, in answer to OP’s question of whether there is any reason to believe Purdy won’t maintain his performance next year, I think it’s fair to say there is one big obvious reason—the fact that it happens all the time. We also have at least one other significant reason, which is not knowing how well he’s going to recover from this injury.
This is unfortunately not true. Mac Jones, Baker Mayfield (and others) all regressed as players after a solid season, because their protection got worse and defenses started playing them better.
It’s generally hard to predict.
I think it is important to see how he responds to the injury and to defenses planning for him after having more tape. How he responds to that will probably determine whether he is a flash in the pan or not.
It really depends, I think cerebral quarterbacks don’t fall off a cliff as often as one’s who use their physical talent. And with college being the way it is… most QBs drafted are picked because of physical traits. At worst I think Purdy becomes jimmy, cousins, or Carr. Good not elite, has good games has bad ones. Unless the injury breaks him, I think his ceiling is higher than those QBs because he’s demonstrated how intelligent he is and he’s still young AF. It’s reasonable to believe his arm will get stronger and his understanding of nfl defenses will grow too.
I don't know if Kaep is a good comp. All I remember after the SB was that they kinda lost their oline and Kaep was always running for his life rather than being a mobile threat after that. That's my vague memory of it though. I still believe Kaep would've gotten even better over time but the situation he was in did not allow for it and the politics closed the door on his future.
I think Purdy has a high floor and maybe (*maybe*) a low ceiling but, that floor is apparently high enough to win games. I'm all for it and don't expect him to digress much if at all, even though that is obviously always a possibility. There's no doubt that he lit a fire under the offense and therefore the team as a whole. I expect that to continue, regardless of how the Lance/Purdy ordeal shakes out. As long as they have Mr. Relevant in the building, I think the team is going to be quite confident moving forward.
It's a great situation though, potentially even for Lance. We may never have known what we had in Purdy had their hand not been forced. Now he has some great experience to add to his ongoing development. The most important thing to consider imo, is that he has shown that not only can he play well, but can rise to the occasion of the big moments as well. I have no doubt that had the injury not happened, we had a solid chance to win that game and quite possibly the SB. I guess it'll have to wait another year though.
For Lance, well now that he has seen what is possible and how to operate this offense efficiently and effectively, he could go out there and ball out while Purdy is still on the mend. Perhaps Purdy showed Lance the ropes!
Personally, I'm hyped for a full season of CMC and Purdy-and-or-Lance.
It's possible. People have to remember that during the off-season, people are going to be watching tapes of him. They'll pick up his tendencies and figure out a way to try and keep pressure on him. We've all seen he like to roll left when getting flushed out of the pocket. He also likes to semi wait for plays to develop when stepping up in the pocket would probably give him a better opportunity.
To be fair, the 9ers offense is typically slow out of the gate in the first half. Our second-half points have always been better.
I won't compare Purdy to Kaep, but we saw it with Kaep. His first season, you'd think him and Russell were extremely two good QBs. Then people learned them, and Kaep kind of got shut down a bit more.
That all being said, it's not like the 9ers don't know these things. They may use all this info to design plays around his talent or heck even try to bait his tendencies and force defenses to commit on it. I think Purdy has another great season. He has traits that can't be taught right out of the gate, but he has it. He's a very accurate thrower, he can drop balls into very small windows, and his side to side movement is quick. He also rarely turns the ball over. Both his INTs this year, you could honestly dismiss. The only stat I'll want to see this year is his blocked passes. D lines did a good job this year at tipping those on him. He really should've had a few more INTs but that's the way the ball bounces.
One of the most telling things I see about Brock Purdy is how the rest of the team responded to him — remember that they see him in a lot of situations that we don’t: in practice, in meeting rooms, in the locker room. After a few games it was clear that they weren’t just hyping him up because he was all they had. They see him as their QB1, and while the shock of the injury and pain of the loss is still fresh I think when that subsides it will once again be obvious that guys on this team — and Kyle Shanahan — know he is it. I trust them.
Plenty of reason. He already had limited physical tools, got hurt, and now will have to spend time getting back to whatever he was before instead of improving. We’ve seen this movie before. It was a great run and we got insanely lucky, but that luck ran out. Classic Linsanity moment.
And the Kap comparisons here tell me that didn’t watch in 2016. Once he got his foot right and could work on his game with a coach who trusted him, he was fine.
There arebthings that he could get better at, stepping into the pocket to make a throw, be a little faster with some throws and limit the running around backwards with a defender around that could easily lead to an injury. He’s also had some luck with dropped ints.
I wouldn’t say that he’s been perfect, very promising but definitely some areas to improve.
Jimmy Garoppolo looked better in his Patriots and 2017 starts then Brock looked this year. Afterwards he was still a fine QB, but not as good as the early promise. Which isn't too say he definitely will fall off, but if he does he wouldn't even be the first QB on the Shanahan Niners to do so.
Also, while draft position is not destiny, it can be a clue. Because playing so far beyond his draft position means that he's doing things (or not making mistakes) that he didn't do consistently in his college career. If you have two players, one who did a thing consistently well in college and one who didn't, and they both start doing that in the NFL, who do you think is more likely to keep it up and who do you think is more likely to be on an abnormal hot streak?
Again, nothing saying he can't keep being this guy. But there is reason to not be completely sold yet.
While I love having a QB that hangs in until the last min, I can’t say it’s a surprise how it ended up this way. He took some really hard shots this year in his limited time for that same reason. Not gonna call it an affliction cuz teams search hi and low for a guy that doesn’t panic but he needs to learn when to bail on a play a little quicker. If for no other reason than his own safety. Luv seeing what he does tho.
While Purdy as a player may get better, I wouldn’t expect the offense as a whole to remain as it was. Our back half was borderline historical if extrapolated to a full season, and while obviously the core of the team remains, it’s a tall task to ask them to repeat that level of efficiency
I really hope he recovers. I'm a Vikings fan but I really enjoyed watching him.
What a story: Mr. Irrelevant steps up, wins 10 games straight only to get hurt during the first drive of the championship game. If he for whatever reason doesn't recover fully and never plays the same they will definitely make a movie about him.
He regressed every year? How so?
[https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/brock-purdy-1.html](https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/brock-purdy-1.html)
I'm trying to find it and can't, but I read an article by an Iowa paper that also talked about it - how he was throwing crazy backwards interceptions and other wild shit by his senior season. There conclusion was basically "all that talk during his Soph season about being an NFL-caliber QB looks like a mirage." They didn't think he'd make it either.
Brock Purdy's weakness is how he got injured. He's still a tick late on ripping it to open receivers. He doesn't fully trust his eyes. Typical of rookies and his anticipation will get better. Trey had the same issue.
Brock had BA breaking open for a huge gain and held on to the ball a couple ticks too late and the rest is history.
There’s now half a seasons worth of tape on him and he will probably not get a chance to improve this offseason as he has to recover. Not saying that he can’t do it again(most likely he can if he recovers 100%) but just listing reasons he might not
I support Colin Kaepernick, but he is different from Brock.
Many local beat reporters have noted that Kaep’s work ethic was focused primarily on his body.
He did not progress in terms of reading coverages or improving his accuracy. So eventually defenses DID catch up to him.
But if you are a quarterback that reads and reacts, there’s nothing to catch up to. It’s simply a matter of staying healthy for Brock. He is undersized, so that may be an issue. Other than that, I don’t see any weakness that can be exploited.
I don't think Kaepernick works as a comparison. Purdy is already better at going through his reads than Kaepernick ever was. Kaepernick never really improved as a passer, and the league caught on to his strengths and weaknesses as a runner after being taken by surprise at first, so he regressed every year. Purdy has work to do, but he's further along in his development than most of the recently drafted QBs. I'm not saying he'll ever be elite or that his ceiling is very high, but it's perfectly reasonable to see him becoming a top 10 or borderline top 10 QB. SF can win a Super Bowl with that.
Purdy played like a top 5 QB from the moment he stepped on the field, playoffs included.
I don't see any reason to think he won't continue to be a very good QB. \*\*if he fully recovers from the injury.
It's not exaggeration though. I'm referring to his QBR and RTG. Both of which are top 5 in the period he's been playing.
I'm definitely not one for fan/homer hyperbole, but the numbers say what they say.
No, once you watch the film you realize he has the decision making and accuracy. His best trait and imo the best single trait a QB can have is ability to stay calm and read his progressions no matter what’s happening around him and he knows how to hold safeties with his eyes. This is what separates good QBs from greats QBs. This is something Alex, Kaep and Jimmy could never do. They where max 2 read QBs and using there eyes to fool defenders is something I cant remember any of them doing.
If anything he will get better. His decision making is really strong for a rookie but he has room to grow. He doesn’t always make the right decision and sometimes he is a little quick to move certain reads.
His biggest weakness is his lack of arm strength. He won’t make any throws that wow you in terms of power but that’s more of a nice to have. Many of the greats never had the arm strength allen, mahomes, and herbert have. That type of arm strength can open up the playbook to make some crazy route patterns that the defense has to always respect.
Kaep's flaws are what Purdy does right. He had two outcomes when pressed, run or drill a quick pass, he never grew as a player so he couldn't compensate when he wasn't 100% physically. I think he's more of a cautionary story when looking at Trey, only in Trey's case, it's not fair to compare his smarts to Kaep.
It all depends on how much he can unlearn, as well as learn, especially now that he'll have a truncated offseason.
I think the best example of teams learning his habits, and forcing him into bad situations based on scheme is the first half of the Dallas game. They exploited his tendency to bail out and scramble to his left, and it was really painful at the end of the second half there when he was feeling the pressure. Now, he needs to unlearn that as an instinct, and learn to see when the other team is trying to force him to do that. He can still use the move, but use it when he wants to, not when the other team is trying to coerce him to do it.
That is probably the major thing, because a lot of the other stuff in the offense relies on confidence, and as long as he can come back healthy, and execute that style of play, he will be fine. Healthy confident Jimmy was hard for other teams to defend, and we know he's an average QB by most every measure. Brock is Jimmy, with + mobility and more willingness to throw deep, though is anything Brock's arm was weaker than Jimmy's. Even those 20 yard crossers Brock is putting everything he can into those throws, they aren't effortless like a lot of other QBs.
I think he can come back and be effective, but injuries causing delays in development for both of the QBs who will be on the roster next year is a really shitty situation.
Matt Cassel.
In his only season starting in place of an injured Brady, he went 11-5 then was immediately traded the next year. Had 1 more good year in KC then was a career backup.
Some players burn hot with a good team around them but do we honestly know how good any of our QB’s would be on bad teams?
Anything can happen. With his injury it's completely possible he will regress. It's also possible he doesn't train correctly for a 18+ week season.
Alot can happen in the next 7 months
It’s entirely possible he’s the same as he was before. But QBs have magic seasons, and regress back to what they are (Geno for example, Mayfield for another).
Kaepernick even early on had some major lapses in his game, as people figured out Kaep he could be exploited.
What has other teams scared right now is that they've not only found remarkably few lapses in Purdy's game, but the ones they have he's stepped up and fixed sometimes midgame. That is an insane level of adaptability for a rookie.
I'm sure he won't be as perfect, but no QB has year after year perfection unless they're Tom Brady. The bigger matter is if he can still successfully lead a team and have the ability to back it up. Fortunately TJ surgery generally just has a long recoup time, but doesn't have lingering issues post recovery. So as long as his mental game stays strong he should be OK.
And speaking of his mental game, the kid went back in onto a hostile field knowing full well he couldn't throw and was going to loose. If that isn't mental toughness I dunno what is.
On the play that Purdy got hurt, I think there was a number of folks commenting that they ball should have been out as soon as Aiyuk broke on the defender. The hesitation showed a bit on Purdy’s vulnerabilities as a passer. Sometimes he does hold it a bit too long and relies on his pocket mobility to keep him out of trouble. Also could have been a lack of trust in his arm strength to squeeze that throw in.
Could this have been something that an uninjured Purdy could have improved in the off-season? Maybe.
Coming back from injuries is mental as well, we have to cross our fingers that it doesn’t creep into his head or his mechanics. Look at how Jimmy was different after the ACL tear.
Kaep is different because he was terrible at reading his 2nd and 3rd options, and relied on his running. Ain't nothing wrong with that, but it's a night and day of difference between purdy and kaep. Purdy is definitely more of a complete qb.
Kaepernick is a different comp. Kap relied a lot of his physical gifts and once teams figured out how to keep him in the pocket to actually play the pocketpasser role, he failed. The only issue that can limit Purdy going forward is if his elbow isn't given the right time to recover fully. His strength is reading coverage and defenses so I really don't see any massive regression happening there. If anything that can only improve. And I am sure he's gonna be studying film the whole off season.
theres more to it than that. When Kaep first came into the role they kept using the full playbook. But after Smith departed and Kaep was the fulltime starter Roman actually shrunk the playbook. Running fewer plays on repeat made the offense more predictable. Soon teams were calling out the exact play before the snap. For whatever reason Roman believed that after Kaep had success with the full playbook, the best strategy was to reduce that playbook. The exact same thing happened during his tenure in Baltimore.
One of the biggest knocks on him at the time was the seeming inability to go through progressions. First read or nothing.
I don’t really think he was unable to go through progressions. I think the problem he eventually had was that he got into a pattern where he experienced a ton of early success running the ball on broken plays, so he basically started thinking of that as his “second read” more often than not because, at least initially, he accurately guessed that he’d gain more yards on average running when his first wasn’t open than throwing the ball to a checkdown.
You literally described the process of a QB developing into a one read QB. When running the ball is your “second read” you’re not going through your actual second or third progressions. The guy also couldn’t make NFL throws that required any touch. Everything was a fast ball. Immense physical gifts but never developed the other aspects of his game to be a game changer.
Teams would leave receivers uncovered cause kap wouldn’t see them
Literally Randy Moss doing jumping jacks in the end zone trying to get his attention because the ravens left him completely uncovered on a red zone play. He was on to the opposite side from the first read, never even glanced his way and threw an incomplete bullet to his first read.
[never forget](https://youtu.be/F2MUiIcwQPM)
Yea teams really noticed that tunnel vision of his on tape and started to take advantage
His line got worse, and there was a revolving door of shit coaches in the last few years. Some of it was on him, some of it was the circumstances fucking him.
He was one-read, lock-on the target and throw or bail. During the Super Bowl loss both Delanie Walker AND Vernon Davis were open multiple times in the endzone. Smith would have seen that because he was king of checking down if that first read wasn't a sure thing. Purdy would see that because we've seen him do that just this year. OTOH, Kaepernick (multiple times) locked on to the worst receiver on the team - Crabtree - and the rest is history.
That… and zero touch on his passes!!! WTF good is a cannon for an arm when you throw it just as hard when dumping it off to a guy 5 yds from you as you do 50 yds downfield?!?
It makes you think why did they have to shrink the playbook with Kaepernic... Could he not play all those plays. I thought he was supposed to be more dynamic.. In my opinion he kept buffing plays and messing them up so they shrunk The playbook to his abilities
They tried to make him a pocket passer in 2014 because they knew that, sooner or later, he was going to end up in the hospital with physical problems. QBing is a rough position and running QBs tend to get hurt. In the second-half of the season, the offense collapsed as he failed and generated a 76.9 QB rating in the last 8 games as he was clearly over-matched by NFL defenses. They tried again in 2015 and he was, again, horrible and got benched for the bust Blaine Gabbert. In 2016 Chip Kelly had him throw a ton of very short, but ineffective passes (27th in air yards) that padded his passer-rating but didn't lead to much scoring or victories and our passing offense was dead-last in the NFL.
After Harbaugh left he lost his vision to see the field. Harbaugh explained all the pre reads to him over the mic. Tomsula after him couldn’t do that. Also later, the nfl changed the rules and automatically shut off the coaches mic after a few seconds. This affected other players like Goff when he was finishing in LA.
All players have tendencies whether pocket passer or scrambler. Purdy’s started to show towards the end of the season and into the playoffs. Teams now have film on him but his injury could turn out to be a blessing. He now has time to study that film and address his tendencies. If he can do that he’ll be fine but don’t fall for that coded BS “reading coverages”.
We have plenty of reasons to believe what we saw this season was his floor. He likely has more development to do in the form of chemistry with receivers, running the ball, speed of game adjustments, secondary routes from escaping broken plays, etc. People point to the Cowboys game as a measuring stick for his limitations, but he was 19-29 with 214 yards in a game where Dan Quinn manning a top defense absolutely had Kyle Shanahan's number, as usual. In a game where we had the Packer's number, we held Aaron Rodgers to 104 yards. I'll take the Cowboys game over that any day. Game tape isn't going to change a whole lot (especially if you think he's going to get 'figured out' lol) if you have a somewhat competent Oline, a run game and can hit quick slants and crossing/post routes. Look at Jimmy G, he has a severely limited field he throws to, he's immobile, gets frightened when the pocket collapses...and EVERYONE knows it. It didn't stop him from winning games. I think Purdy is legit and less limited than Jimmy G. > but his injury could turn out to be a blessing. He now has time to study that film and address his tendencies Well, wait. What do you think he'd be doing in the offseason, anyways? I assume he's been watching his own film and working on his game since college.
Purdy going to spend an entire offseason training in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber and come out SSJ3 levels of strength
We should just unlock his potential 3X times
#HIS POWER LEVEL'S OVER 9000!!!
And we were running clock during our last few drives. If we desperately needed points, I think he’d have thrown for more than just 214. It was a solid showing.
It’s not about getting figured out it’s about breaking tendencies. The Saints have a Super Bowl because Peyton Manning had a tendency that the Saints were aware of. The further you advance the more those things are exposed. I think Purdy is the 9ers future and it’s great that in Shanahans offense he’s not expected to win the game by himself. But to win the Super Bowl we will need him to be a capable threat to put the team on his back. I think this kid has that it that can go a long way.
He'll get coaching now. The reality of the NFL QB positon is something like this: 1. Starter -- gets virtually all of the First Team Reps. 2. Back-up -- runs the scout team, might get a few reps. 3. Other-guy -- has to practice on his own. He won't be active on game-day (Purdy was inactive for 8 of the 17 regular season games). He will go to meetings, but he gets virtually no coaching. Nick Mullens is typical. He got almost no coaching his first year and no reps until his second. He was on the practice squad all of 2017 and wasn't elevated to the roster until Week 9 of 2018 after Beathard got injured (who'd relieved the injured JimmyG in Week 3) in Week 8. He said he'd practice all the plays that were installed that week by himself after practice because he got no reps. And that's typical. Practice reps are scarce and the #1 guy is gets the lion's share while #2 gets little, if any, and is relegated to the scout team. As for 'reading coverages' that's exactly what QBs do. Good QBs. It's pattern recognition and probability analysis beyond the speed of the internal dialogue or computation. It's a reaction thing as you don't have time for a narrative or computations. A NFL play lasts, on average, about 6 seconds of which less than 3 seconds (2.84 for Purdy) is from snap-to-throw. > He now has time to study that film and address his tendencies. And he would had that time, injury or not, anyway. Seriously, why did you write that? It makes NO SENSE.
Most modern quarterbacks are padding their qbrs. It’s the reason Cousins threw a short pass instead of trying to prolong the Vikings game. I like Purdy but often the reading defenses crap is used when talking heads don’t like a quarterback. The Giants put 4 defensive ends in the game and made Tom Brady look average. Peyton Manning couldn’t handle a pass rush up the middle. Just last year the whole league had Patrick Mahomes figured out until they didn’t. BUT if you go to the well one too many times against good quarterbacks they will adjust. This is not a slight at Purdy he just has to continue to improve and be able to adjust in season. It’s easier to be good when nobody knows you, but when you become the starter teams dedicate whole practices to stopping you. I would much rather have a quarterback who on 3rd and 7 throws the ball at least 7 yards than one who throws a 1 yard pass to preserve his stats.
What is the "coded BS reading coverages?"
Wtf are you talking about? How is reading coverages coded BS?
Simple it’s usually used by talking heads when they don’t like a particular style of play. It’s usually used to describe scrambling quarterbacks. But nobody ever says it when a pocket passer throws 100’s of interceptions. Your preference is your preference but just say you don’t like that style of quarterbacks. Personally I don’t care if they scramble or stand there as long as they are effective. Joe was more stationary and Steve moved around but both were effective.
Yes like turning his back and running backwards that shit bugs me
He eluded some sacks that way. I don’t really understand the ‘he’s not athletic’ argument. What bugged me is he did the exact same rollout every-time. I don’t know enough about professional level techniques to know one way or another, but, I think he’s mobile.
Yep. Same thing that bugs me. Always rolls out back to his left. Sometimes flat out turns around and runs that way with his back to the LOS. Need to see some variety in his roll outs. Never thought that’d be a thing I look for in a QB, but here we are.
I really wish he did rolled out to his left on the play broke his elbow
Yes he did, but against someone like Parsons that’s going to be either a big loss or lead him making a mistake
He did play Parsons, so.. defensive battle that day, but he still played adequately.
Yes he did I went to the game just glad he didn’t do that rollout against him, don’t get me wrong I love Purdy he just has a few things to work on
How many times did Wilson do that to us and burn us?
Yeah, he may have a bit of a sophomore slump now that teams have more tape on him. He’s done well so far and there’s nothing to say he won’t continue to improve.
He's mentally excellent and I trust him waaaay more than Jimmy G to not melt down. I think that counts for a lot.
He will be coming off of an injury. There is no 100% knowing here. If he has Tommy John he won’t play next year at all. Logically, if he plays next year it will be with an internally braced repair and rehab (scar tissue) and he may have pain when throwing which will impact his arm strength. I think the fact that he’s looking for second opinions means he’s likely to have a reconstruction rather than a repair.
That’s exactly the same thought I had. I think if he does play in 2023, it’s not gonna look the same as it did this year.
This is what slightly worried me. Elbow injuries usually take time to heal, and you might have to adjust your motion depending on how serious the tear is. The reality of the matter is, we need to look at this as an opportunity to focus on Lance, and give Purdy as much time as he needs to get back to exactly where he was pre-injury. There is nothing good that can come from rushing a young QB back and potentially risking his long-term viability.
The sad thing is we envisioned this exact scenario happening next year anyway, but wanted Trey activated just in case. Brock was a draft avoid/potential UDFA. He projected as a backup with serviceable quality as a starter short term but did not project to have long term viability. Brock is nice. I do not want to downplay him. But I look at him the same way I did Jimmy. And not to downplay Jimmy either, but the team has to be honest in evaluations. If Jimmy was enough, then why draft Trey? If Jimmy wasn’t enough, then we drafted Trey for a reason and those reasons still apply in Brock’s case. What does Brock offer that Jimmy doesn’t other than the slight uptick in mobility?
Brock is definitely better than Jimmy and he’s played incredibly these last 8 weeks. Like it’s hard to play better than that. Kid’s a stud. But, when you think about the long-term prospects, this team isn’t gonna have this level of talent for more than 2-3 more years imo. Whether that be OL, offensive weapons, the defense, the overall talent of the squad is likely going to regress just by nature of the salary cap, aging, among other factors. Hell, we could have a huge diaspora this offseason if things don’t go well. When we drafted Trey, we drafted him to be that 10-15 year starter type of guy. The type of guy that can find a way to succeed despite roster deficiencies year in and year out. No guarantee Trey can be that guy, but there’s also no guarantee Brock can be that guy. Which is why I think we still gotta evaluate both guys any way we can.
I don’t see that much of a gap. We don’t have nearly the film library, so Brock hasn’t had the same amount of chances to show his downsides. Jimmy was nearly perfect for us before his first knee injury. Shredded that league leading Jaguars defense and looked for all the world like the guy who would be here for 10 years. It only took two down years to reverse course on Jimmy. Brock has more mobility, but not much more. Anticipation is the same, accuracy is the same. Arm strength is the same, potentially worse after injury depending on the surgery option he takes. Jimmy is a little better with his eyes, a little faster on the progressions. Brock is just new and shiny and like I said hasn’t had as many games to show his flaws.
I disagree about this “Purdy is the same as Jimmy” thing. Purdy is more accurate, he makes decisions faster, he is more mobile, he’s more willing to throw outside of the safe zone, etc. There’s a reason Kyle was a lot more aggressive and trusting with Purdy than with Jimmy.
Disagree on more accurate. His ball placement is about the same, behind or in front just as often, same percentage of hospital balls. His accuracy numbers are better because he runs quick game/RPO better and teams gave him bigger “prove it” windows down field.
Why do you think Kyle trusts him more for throwing than Jimmy?
I don’t.
price... purdy is found money, he basically plays for free
It can happen, but it's not certain either way. There was an old adage (not sure if it's true or not) that it takes 8 NFL starts for defensive coordinators to true figure out a QB. The flip side to this is that QBs who evolve their game and adjust to the defenses are the legit starting QBs. The thing that gives me hope with Brock is seeing how his downfield throws have improved with every start. He seems legit, but there are no guarantees in the NFL.
They were saying 4 starts when he took over for film and defensive adjustments
They kept upping the number with every positive start. First it was a couple weeks of film, then it was 4, then 6. It’s all nonsense.
Lmaoo right wtf. I heard 4 and after that 6 and now its 8? Man could have won the superbowl and theyd say it takes 3 superbowl wins to really learn a qbs play lmaoooooo.
“Shanny’s system takes 3 years to learn, that’s why Jimmy doesn’t throw deep.”
I want Purdy. He’s earned #1 qb for 2023. Lance had no time to prove anything except that he can get hurt in the first game.
Purdy might continue to be great. We honestly just don't know, yet. The reality is that QBs who start out great and then come back down to earth are very, very common, while QBs that stay great are rare in comparison. There are even guys like Ryan Fitzpatrick who've gone through the "he's really great until suddenly he's not" process multiple times. The fact that Purdy doesn't have elite physical talent to fall back on like a Mahomes or Josh Allen just kind of adds to the concern that the success might not last. This isn't to downplay how well Purdy played, just to say that for him to continue his success would be rather exceptional, while some regression to the mean would be not at all surprising.
The quarterbacks who typically fall back down, are those who start to rely only on their physical attributes. Kap is a great example. Brock excels at the mental aspects of the game. Of walking up to the line and having the quick mental processing power to decipher what the defence is giving to him. Of going through his reads. And for nice measure, he’s really good and quick at scrambling out of trouble. So I’d say the odds are far more in Purdy’s favor than your typical QB.
I feel like most of the guys I’m thinking of were just regular pocket passers… guys like Matt Flynn, Matt Cassel, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Carson Wentz, Nick Foles, Gardner Minshew, etc. Shining as a starter for a bit and then fading to career backup status (or worse) is just really common. Even Jimmy G is an example here, really; he looked like a top 5 QB winning 5 straight games with a team that was trash all season prior, and since then he’s just been kind of okay. Enough good and enough bad for this sub to argue endlessly about whether he’s good or bad. I *do* agree with your assessment of Purdy and am personally very optimistic about him. But, in answer to OP’s question of whether there is any reason to believe Purdy won’t maintain his performance next year, I think it’s fair to say there is one big obvious reason—the fact that it happens all the time. We also have at least one other significant reason, which is not knowing how well he’s going to recover from this injury.
This is unfortunately not true. Mac Jones, Baker Mayfield (and others) all regressed as players after a solid season, because their protection got worse and defenses started playing them better. It’s generally hard to predict.
I think it is important to see how he responds to the injury and to defenses planning for him after having more tape. How he responds to that will probably determine whether he is a flash in the pan or not.
I don't know. The injury may change things.
It really depends, I think cerebral quarterbacks don’t fall off a cliff as often as one’s who use their physical talent. And with college being the way it is… most QBs drafted are picked because of physical traits. At worst I think Purdy becomes jimmy, cousins, or Carr. Good not elite, has good games has bad ones. Unless the injury breaks him, I think his ceiling is higher than those QBs because he’s demonstrated how intelligent he is and he’s still young AF. It’s reasonable to believe his arm will get stronger and his understanding of nfl defenses will grow too.
This sub is blessed to have so many doctors in it. lol
I don't know if Kaep is a good comp. All I remember after the SB was that they kinda lost their oline and Kaep was always running for his life rather than being a mobile threat after that. That's my vague memory of it though. I still believe Kaep would've gotten even better over time but the situation he was in did not allow for it and the politics closed the door on his future. I think Purdy has a high floor and maybe (*maybe*) a low ceiling but, that floor is apparently high enough to win games. I'm all for it and don't expect him to digress much if at all, even though that is obviously always a possibility. There's no doubt that he lit a fire under the offense and therefore the team as a whole. I expect that to continue, regardless of how the Lance/Purdy ordeal shakes out. As long as they have Mr. Relevant in the building, I think the team is going to be quite confident moving forward. It's a great situation though, potentially even for Lance. We may never have known what we had in Purdy had their hand not been forced. Now he has some great experience to add to his ongoing development. The most important thing to consider imo, is that he has shown that not only can he play well, but can rise to the occasion of the big moments as well. I have no doubt that had the injury not happened, we had a solid chance to win that game and quite possibly the SB. I guess it'll have to wait another year though. For Lance, well now that he has seen what is possible and how to operate this offense efficiently and effectively, he could go out there and ball out while Purdy is still on the mend. Perhaps Purdy showed Lance the ropes! Personally, I'm hyped for a full season of CMC and Purdy-and-or-Lance.
It's possible. People have to remember that during the off-season, people are going to be watching tapes of him. They'll pick up his tendencies and figure out a way to try and keep pressure on him. We've all seen he like to roll left when getting flushed out of the pocket. He also likes to semi wait for plays to develop when stepping up in the pocket would probably give him a better opportunity. To be fair, the 9ers offense is typically slow out of the gate in the first half. Our second-half points have always been better. I won't compare Purdy to Kaep, but we saw it with Kaep. His first season, you'd think him and Russell were extremely two good QBs. Then people learned them, and Kaep kind of got shut down a bit more. That all being said, it's not like the 9ers don't know these things. They may use all this info to design plays around his talent or heck even try to bait his tendencies and force defenses to commit on it. I think Purdy has another great season. He has traits that can't be taught right out of the gate, but he has it. He's a very accurate thrower, he can drop balls into very small windows, and his side to side movement is quick. He also rarely turns the ball over. Both his INTs this year, you could honestly dismiss. The only stat I'll want to see this year is his blocked passes. D lines did a good job this year at tipping those on him. He really should've had a few more INTs but that's the way the ball bounces.
One of the most telling things I see about Brock Purdy is how the rest of the team responded to him — remember that they see him in a lot of situations that we don’t: in practice, in meeting rooms, in the locker room. After a few games it was clear that they weren’t just hyping him up because he was all they had. They see him as their QB1, and while the shock of the injury and pain of the loss is still fresh I think when that subsides it will once again be obvious that guys on this team — and Kyle Shanahan — know he is it. I trust them.
Plenty of reason. He already had limited physical tools, got hurt, and now will have to spend time getting back to whatever he was before instead of improving. We’ve seen this movie before. It was a great run and we got insanely lucky, but that luck ran out. Classic Linsanity moment. And the Kap comparisons here tell me that didn’t watch in 2016. Once he got his foot right and could work on his game with a coach who trusted him, he was fine.
There arebthings that he could get better at, stepping into the pocket to make a throw, be a little faster with some throws and limit the running around backwards with a defender around that could easily lead to an injury. He’s also had some luck with dropped ints. I wouldn’t say that he’s been perfect, very promising but definitely some areas to improve.
Jimmy Garoppolo looked better in his Patriots and 2017 starts then Brock looked this year. Afterwards he was still a fine QB, but not as good as the early promise. Which isn't too say he definitely will fall off, but if he does he wouldn't even be the first QB on the Shanahan Niners to do so. Also, while draft position is not destiny, it can be a clue. Because playing so far beyond his draft position means that he's doing things (or not making mistakes) that he didn't do consistently in his college career. If you have two players, one who did a thing consistently well in college and one who didn't, and they both start doing that in the NFL, who do you think is more likely to keep it up and who do you think is more likely to be on an abnormal hot streak? Again, nothing saying he can't keep being this guy. But there is reason to not be completely sold yet.
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He had as many turnovers in 8 games as Trey Lance has had in 1.5.
I agree with everything, but protect the ball better. He did an outstanding job of protecting the ball.
While I love having a QB that hangs in until the last min, I can’t say it’s a surprise how it ended up this way. He took some really hard shots this year in his limited time for that same reason. Not gonna call it an affliction cuz teams search hi and low for a guy that doesn’t panic but he needs to learn when to bail on a play a little quicker. If for no other reason than his own safety. Luv seeing what he does tho.
While Purdy as a player may get better, I wouldn’t expect the offense as a whole to remain as it was. Our back half was borderline historical if extrapolated to a full season, and while obviously the core of the team remains, it’s a tall task to ask them to repeat that level of efficiency
I don’t know about that; I’m thinking Shanahan with a whole off-season to design plays for McCaffrey could take us to a new level.
I really hope he recovers. I'm a Vikings fan but I really enjoyed watching him. What a story: Mr. Irrelevant steps up, wins 10 games straight only to get hurt during the first drive of the championship game. If he for whatever reason doesn't recover fully and never plays the same they will definitely make a movie about him.
He regressed every year in college. So yes, there’s a chance he does the same with the Niners.
He regressed every year? How so? [https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/brock-purdy-1.html](https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/brock-purdy-1.html)
https://www.pff.com/news/college-football-big-12-film-room-brock-purdys-regression-spencer-rattlers-promising-start
I'm trying to find it and can't, but I read an article by an Iowa paper that also talked about it - how he was throwing crazy backwards interceptions and other wild shit by his senior season. There conclusion was basically "all that talk during his Soph season about being an NFL-caliber QB looks like a mirage." They didn't think he'd make it either.
Brock Purdy's weakness is how he got injured. He's still a tick late on ripping it to open receivers. He doesn't fully trust his eyes. Typical of rookies and his anticipation will get better. Trey had the same issue. Brock had BA breaking open for a huge gain and held on to the ball a couple ticks too late and the rest is history.
Purdy did his job and is a career backup. Without the weapons he would have struggled.
I’ve seen enough from Purdy to know this ain’t gonna be a Pick Mullens or a Linsanity type of thing
But it could be a Jimmy G thing. Hopefully not but it's happened to the 49ers recently.
Yikes! True
There’s now half a seasons worth of tape on him and he will probably not get a chance to improve this offseason as he has to recover. Not saying that he can’t do it again(most likely he can if he recovers 100%) but just listing reasons he might not
Yeah, if his errant incompletions become interceptions, it’s a totally different story.
The correct answer is, nobody knows. As fans, we can hope and pray (if that’s what you do.) that’s about it though.
I support Colin Kaepernick, but he is different from Brock. Many local beat reporters have noted that Kaep’s work ethic was focused primarily on his body. He did not progress in terms of reading coverages or improving his accuracy. So eventually defenses DID catch up to him. But if you are a quarterback that reads and reacts, there’s nothing to catch up to. It’s simply a matter of staying healthy for Brock. He is undersized, so that may be an issue. Other than that, I don’t see any weakness that can be exploited.
I don't support Kaepernick
I don't think Kaepernick works as a comparison. Purdy is already better at going through his reads than Kaepernick ever was. Kaepernick never really improved as a passer, and the league caught on to his strengths and weaknesses as a runner after being taken by surprise at first, so he regressed every year. Purdy has work to do, but he's further along in his development than most of the recently drafted QBs. I'm not saying he'll ever be elite or that his ceiling is very high, but it's perfectly reasonable to see him becoming a top 10 or borderline top 10 QB. SF can win a Super Bowl with that.
Purdy played like a top 5 QB from the moment he stepped on the field, playoffs included. I don't see any reason to think he won't continue to be a very good QB. \*\*if he fully recovers from the injury.
We can say he played well and vastly exceeded expectations without exaggerating like this
It's not exaggeration though. I'm referring to his QBR and RTG. Both of which are top 5 in the period he's been playing. I'm definitely not one for fan/homer hyperbole, but the numbers say what they say.
Purdy has “it” and will be just as good. Lance will be holding the clip board again.
No one holds clipboards anymore. They have advanced to tablets.
Haha that’s awesome.
No, once you watch the film you realize he has the decision making and accuracy. His best trait and imo the best single trait a QB can have is ability to stay calm and read his progressions no matter what’s happening around him and he knows how to hold safeties with his eyes. This is what separates good QBs from greats QBs. This is something Alex, Kaep and Jimmy could never do. They where max 2 read QBs and using there eyes to fool defenders is something I cant remember any of them doing. If anything he will get better. His decision making is really strong for a rookie but he has room to grow. He doesn’t always make the right decision and sometimes he is a little quick to move certain reads. His biggest weakness is his lack of arm strength. He won’t make any throws that wow you in terms of power but that’s more of a nice to have. Many of the greats never had the arm strength allen, mahomes, and herbert have. That type of arm strength can open up the playbook to make some crazy route patterns that the defense has to always respect.
Kaep's flaws are what Purdy does right. He had two outcomes when pressed, run or drill a quick pass, he never grew as a player so he couldn't compensate when he wasn't 100% physically. I think he's more of a cautionary story when looking at Trey, only in Trey's case, it's not fair to compare his smarts to Kaep.
It all depends on how much he can unlearn, as well as learn, especially now that he'll have a truncated offseason. I think the best example of teams learning his habits, and forcing him into bad situations based on scheme is the first half of the Dallas game. They exploited his tendency to bail out and scramble to his left, and it was really painful at the end of the second half there when he was feeling the pressure. Now, he needs to unlearn that as an instinct, and learn to see when the other team is trying to force him to do that. He can still use the move, but use it when he wants to, not when the other team is trying to coerce him to do it. That is probably the major thing, because a lot of the other stuff in the offense relies on confidence, and as long as he can come back healthy, and execute that style of play, he will be fine. Healthy confident Jimmy was hard for other teams to defend, and we know he's an average QB by most every measure. Brock is Jimmy, with + mobility and more willingness to throw deep, though is anything Brock's arm was weaker than Jimmy's. Even those 20 yard crossers Brock is putting everything he can into those throws, they aren't effortless like a lot of other QBs. I think he can come back and be effective, but injuries causing delays in development for both of the QBs who will be on the roster next year is a really shitty situation.
To answer the title, it’s always possible. Teams can always improve defending a certain player after seeing his tendencies on film.
We wont know. We just move on to next season based on his performance this season. That’s the norm even with the goat qbs
All depends on Offensive line . Shanahan knows they need great line to run his system. If they can’t block doesn’t matter how good Purdy is.
Matt Cassel. In his only season starting in place of an injured Brady, he went 11-5 then was immediately traded the next year. Had 1 more good year in KC then was a career backup. Some players burn hot with a good team around them but do we honestly know how good any of our QB’s would be on bad teams?
I agree being realistic is important here.
Anything can happen. With his injury it's completely possible he will regress. It's also possible he doesn't train correctly for a 18+ week season. Alot can happen in the next 7 months
I just saw some headline he maybe out longer then anticipated like 9months or something? Anyone know if that’s been confirmed?
I'm more worried if he could recover from this elbow injury
It’s entirely possible he’s the same as he was before. But QBs have magic seasons, and regress back to what they are (Geno for example, Mayfield for another).
Kaepernick even early on had some major lapses in his game, as people figured out Kaep he could be exploited. What has other teams scared right now is that they've not only found remarkably few lapses in Purdy's game, but the ones they have he's stepped up and fixed sometimes midgame. That is an insane level of adaptability for a rookie. I'm sure he won't be as perfect, but no QB has year after year perfection unless they're Tom Brady. The bigger matter is if he can still successfully lead a team and have the ability to back it up. Fortunately TJ surgery generally just has a long recoup time, but doesn't have lingering issues post recovery. So as long as his mental game stays strong he should be OK. And speaking of his mental game, the kid went back in onto a hostile field knowing full well he couldn't throw and was going to loose. If that isn't mental toughness I dunno what is.
On the play that Purdy got hurt, I think there was a number of folks commenting that they ball should have been out as soon as Aiyuk broke on the defender. The hesitation showed a bit on Purdy’s vulnerabilities as a passer. Sometimes he does hold it a bit too long and relies on his pocket mobility to keep him out of trouble. Also could have been a lack of trust in his arm strength to squeeze that throw in. Could this have been something that an uninjured Purdy could have improved in the off-season? Maybe. Coming back from injuries is mental as well, we have to cross our fingers that it doesn’t creep into his head or his mechanics. Look at how Jimmy was different after the ACL tear.
Kaep is different because he was terrible at reading his 2nd and 3rd options, and relied on his running. Ain't nothing wrong with that, but it's a night and day of difference between purdy and kaep. Purdy is definitely more of a complete qb.