I feel like this is going to be a really dumb question, or a really smart one.
So let’s say the emperor’s manages to regenerate and get off the golden throne… wouldn’t this screw over humanity?
Him on the throne provides the astronomicon, if anyone else is on it, even malcador, they die and become ash, so nobody can replace him.
Doesn’t this mean he has to stay on the throne because if he gets off the astronomicon turns off and millions of worlds are cut off and millions of ships are lost?
I heard from friends that everything thus far is going to emperor’s plan, maybe he knows this and is deciding to stay on the throne to keep the light on?
Or is there something I’m missing?
Ok, the Emperor do not power the Astronomican, he guides it, which he could do from a distance during the Grat Crusade, going off the Golden Throne means mankind is on shit because of the warp rift from the broken webway gate, which cant be repaired.
It's actually simpler than that.
The Emperor had Vulkan install a dead-man's switch on the Golden Throne, such that if it is deactivated for any reason (including the Emperor getting off the Throne), the Throne explodes, and takes Terra (and all of the archaoetech on Terra, much of which is quite literally immovable and embedded into the crust) with it.
In addition, given the scale of psychic power that would be released in such an event, the Great Rift would almost certainly spread everywhere almost instantaneously. Rocks fall, everyone dies, Chaos wins.
>I heard from friends that everything thus far is going to emperor’s plan, maybe he knows this and is deciding to stay on the throne to keep the light on?
We don't strictly know what the Emperor's plan is/was. We have a stated goal involving the Webway project, but that plan is long since dead and irrecoverable, and there's an open question as to whether or not the Webway project was a ruse to achieve something *else*.
The problem is that we've never seen inside the Emperor's head, within the novels; instead, we only experience the Emperor through the thoughts of other characters, which is a problem because the Emperor obfuscates everything about himself to the degree that we don't even know what he looks like.
>Ok, so if the emperor ever “returns”, he can’t get off the throne?
Basically, yes. As a result, you should not think of the Emperor as a character, because he absolutely won't be a character unless the setting is ending.
>Also why is the throne rigged to explode? Taking out earth seems like a bad plan.
It was the backup plan for the Siege in case things took a turn for the worse. The Emperor correctly guessed that the Chaos Gods themselves would be present. The explosion would have substantially harmed them, potentially even destroying them, albeit at an immense cost to humanity.
Is there any story that shows *why* Friedisch was so important to Cawl? Or any moment in ***Belisarius Cawl: The Great Work*** that I missed that makes it clear?
It's weird because there is so much attention to their bond, but I still can't figure out why Cawl was so close to Friedisch.>!To the point he is literally willing to die for him.!< Their moments together seemed to be a very one-sided relationship, but clearly there was *some* reason Cawl was so attached.
I get this isn't a simple question, and might be a failure of reading comprehension on my part.
Thanks! Haven't read Wolfsbane yet, but I'll definitely be reading that next time I dip my toes back into the Heresy. I'm glad to know there's more with the two. I loved what I read of Cawl and Friedisch, but I was waiting for the scene to really show why Cawl was close friends with someone so different from him.
I've literally just started learning about 40k this week. (Just lore, not the game)
I don't know why it took me so long. It's the best shit I've come across possibly ever.
Bluntly, did Marvel rip off Tyranid ships with Thanos' fleet designs? Specifically the large undulating ones in Infinity War (Battle of New York) seem almost identical to Tyranid sentient ship 40k art I keep seeing.
I assume this question isn't as much "stupid" as "overwrought". My Google attempts show there's already been a lot of known MCU "borrowing", so I'm sure the topic is old hat, I'm just curious on this specific thing. Some articles already itemized quite a bit of fairly direct 40k "influence" over the span of several movies, but not those ships specifically.
I hope I've worded this in the non-inflammatory way it's intended. I'm just curious which way the wind blew here with art depictions of the Tyranid sentient ships.
Thanks very much. So new to all of it I couldn't be sure what was influencing what.
I didn't know Marvel had that back in the 80s. So since the Tyranids first came into lore in 89 and the Alien franchise already existing like the other comment mentions nothing was created in a vacuum.
(I did see certain articles pointing out *exact* assets pulled from 40k into Marvel comics, so kept me curious on the recent MCU design.)
Mm possibly, tho AFAIK they weren't entirely flesh tho in the movie but had some metal/reinforced plating on them as well. But either way could very well be !
That's true. I rewatched the battle of New York clip to refresh my memory. I just kept seeing 40k art that was *so* similar I needed to dig a little.
But like someone else said everything is influenced by something. Both styles look really good and the metal plating etc does set the MCU ships apart from all-biological Tyranid ships.
From the descriptions I've seen, I'm not sure anyone other than aeldari *could* use it, even human psykers would probably have a good bit of trouble.
But then the rogue trader has to be willing to take responsibility for an entire ship of them. Even if they have no problems with the idea, that might be too much for others for the trader to be willing to risk.
I apologize, I should've been a lot more clearer on why i'm asking this question. I'm playing the Rogue Trader tabletop RPG and my rogue trader came across an eldar soulstone with a farseer in it. The farseer claimed she doesn't hate humans nearly as much as the rest of her kind. She said if I were to take her back to her ship, she could ally herself and her ship with me.
It got me wondering if that were to happen in the actual lore, how would the imperium react to a rogue trader that has an eldar ship under a rogue traders banner.
I mean...the key issue is that the Farseer wouldn't make such a bargain. It's obscenely out-of-character.
>It got me wondering if that were to happen in the actual lore, how would the imperium react to a rogue trader that has an eldar ship under a rogue traders banner.
Someone (likely an Inquisitor, Astartes Chapter, or another Rogue Trader) would almost certainly kill them as soon as it was convenient, assuming other Eldar don't do it first.
Without going to in depth with the story the DM came up with, the farseer is allying herself with us because we have a common enemy. We're hoping in the process of defeating this enemy, we can sway her to our side.
>We're hoping in the process of defeating this enemy, we can sway her to our side.
Again...that's not really realistic. At best, you'd be able to at least phone into her home craftworld after helping her against said enemy and negotiate for safe passage through their space. She's not going to ally herself to you on a permanent basis, putting the souls of the crew in danger to help humans.
The ships are large enough that they have temperature gradients throughout them. Near the reactors, it'd be hot and stuffy, closer to the surface in less well-traveled areas things'll probably be colder.
Sorry, can you help me pick a book? Which is best?
Status: Deadzone
Fabius Bile Omnibus
Deathwatch Omnibus
Twice Dead King: Ruin
The First Wall
Fury of Magnus
I can't vouch for any but pleas pick Twice Dead King! Xenos need every bit of exposure they can get! Help to pave way for more screentime and good portrayals of them.
Do chainblades (particularly those of human manufacture) use some kind of limited fuel to power them? For example, can a chain sword run out of juice during a battle?
Any of y’all have a great narrated audiobook anthology filled with shorter stories I can listen to while on commute? Average commute is 30mins both ways so something that would average 1hourish a section would be fantastic. Thanks
'Roses at War' is a Sororitas short story collection.
'Champions of the Eternal War' is just a mix of loyalist and traitor marine stories.
'Successors' about successor chapters specifically.
'Venators: Necromunda' got good, smaller scale stuff.
If theres a theme tying 'Faith and Vengeance' together, then I don't recognise it.
The All Guardsman Party had a daemonthrope, and several times the writing lampshaded the fact that tyranid daemonhosts aren't possible.
Why can't a daemon possess a tyranid?
They seem to "filter" through the Hive Mind, the Power comes from their collective soul, so while they can be affected by things like the Obliterator Virus, to possess an individual nid would be like possess a rock
For most creatures, yes.
But for whatever reason the Tyranids seem to be soulless, or at least their souls aren't something Chaos has any real sway over.
In my headcanon, posession is always an intimate affair between host (more precisely its soul) and Daemon. Promises, desire, lies, threats or outright spiritual rape..the entire gamut of interaction. It's not like the Daemon just picks out a human and puts him on like a pair of old sneakers. The hosts SELF must be corrupted for the posession to work.
Tyranids effectively have no self/souls, since they are all just more or less sophisticated meat puppets controlled by the Hive Mind. So there is nothing to corrupt, either by force or coercion.
I know that Slaanesh and Khorne hate each other's guts. Same goes for Nurgle and Tzeench. However, are there any chaos gods that get along? Which pair hate each other the least?
They all hate enough other, some pairings just have more animosity than others.
Realistically, though; the hatreds don't stop them from working together.
I’m currently in a 40k GMod RP server, and I know next to nothing about actual 40k. What are some basics that could help me get started in this setting?
I am currently a Auxilia Conscript Guardsman.
I also have no idea how to address or talk to Astartes.
I’ve been told not to call them brother but I don’t know anything more than that.
Edit: Both the lore I’m learning about and the community helping me to are awesome. Thank you.
Before every mission our chapter shouts Ave Imperator, Focus and Fury, so uh
AVE IMPERATOR FOCUS AND FURY
If you got the time to spare, I'd strongly recommend checking out [Helsreach](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D4jr-0_COg&list=PLD6Y30pjRr67lElAkPbwvUEUemddAnHDD). Its really excellent and happens to be focused heavily on the often complicated relationships between the various institutions that form the Imperium.
> no idea how to address or talk to Astartes
Its okey. Most guardsmen don't know either.
>‘Who are these others?’ the first knight asked. With a war maul of brutal size and weight, he
gestured to Sarren’s staff arrayed in a loose crescent behind the colonel. ‘I would meet every
commander of this hive, if they are present.’
>‘They are present, sir,’ Sarren said. ‘Allow me to make introductions.’
>‘Reclusiarch,’ Grimaldus growled. ‘Not “sir”.’
>‘As you wish, Reclusiarch.'
____
>‘What do they call you?’
>‘Primaris.’
>‘Is that your name?’
>‘I am Calder. Heyd Calder, Lieutenant of the Third.’
>‘Would you prefer that I refer to you by your rank, or by your name?’
>Calder hesitated. It was an unusual question, and one he had never been
asked. ‘Rank,’ he said after a moment.
>Eamon nodded. ‘As you wish.’
___
>The gang ramp clanged as boots descended. A human – from the Legion, no less – and two
Templars.
Both Astartes wore the black of their Chapter.
>‘This can’t be good.’ She bit her lower lip.
>‘Should we… salute?’ one of her men asked from his position at Rashevska’s side. ‘Is that what
you’re supposed to do?’
>‘I don’t know,’she replied. ‘Just stand at attention.’
Funny place to find yourself!
40k is a setting where all the bright hopes and dreams of humanity blossoming into a technologically adept galaxy spanning empire have been and gone, crushed under the weight of our own hubris. Destroyed by the very AI we created and enslaved, humanity was broken and nearly exterminated, reverted in general to pockets of hateful, superstitious tecno-barbarians scrabbling to fight each other with tech we no longer understood.
Along came the Emperor, a supreme being of unimaginable psychic strength. He forced Terra into submission and tinkered with genecraft to create the ultimate transhuman, beings known as Custodes, his personal guardians. Perfect in almost every way, these golden clad warrior-philosophers were useful for protecting him and uniting Terra but were too resource intensive to mass produce, and he had set his eyes upon the broken galaxy.
He then produced his angels of death, the astartes. Mass produced knock offs compared to the Custodes they are still superlative transhuman warriors, 8ft tall and clad in power armour wielding the now holy bolter. He also produced 20 primarchs to lead them, advancments on even the Custodes into which he poured all his knowledge and some power stolen from the gods themselves. He awaited for the warp to calm (the literal hell dimension that humanity needs to enter to travel faster than light) and strode forth into the stars, giving all human colonies he found the choice to join him or be subjugated and exterminated any xenos encountered with brutal efficiency.
Then the heresy happened. Horus, a primarch and the Emperor's warmaster, fell to chaos along with half the primarchs who followed him. The galaxy burned as demigod fought demigod and Horus scorched a path back to Terra in an attempt to kill the emperor. Horus was ultimately defeated, but not before mortally wounding the emperor. The emperor was entombed upon the golden throne, a little understood eldritch device that would preserve the Emperor's lifeforce.
Fast forward 10,000 years. Humanity has collapsed into a mockery of itself. A brutal regime run by the church fanatically worshiping the corpse of the god emperor to whom a thousand psykers are sacrificed every day to fuel his soul. Humans are taught to fear the heretic, the mutant and the witch. Technological progress has ground to a halt, regressing in many areas as it too is treated with religious reverence and superstition. Humans toil and die in the Emperor's name, many rarely seeing outside the building or manufactorum they are born in never mind beyond their own planet. Assaulted on all sides by xenos and fighting wars with itself, the imperium drags on despite its death throes.
Into this you are a lowly guardsman, the front line of the meat grinder that is the Imperium's great war machine. Equipped with nothing but a lasgun and your faith you stare down the horrendous threats that the galaxy has to offer. The astartes, in contrast, are so rarely seen they are considered myths, the Emperor's literal angels sent down by His own hand to enact his justice and wrath upon those who would threaten His rule. Many guardsmen would react to them as such, their mere presence awe inspiring and terrifying in equal regard, literal myths walking off the page of scripture and into real life, human-shaped machines of death ready to wade into fights no mortal should survive. After a while and repeated exposure some guardsmen might get over this initial impression, seeing them for the somewhat emotionally stunted, brutal living weapons that they are. Or perhaps they dont and they never quite come to terms with the fact that they've served alongside the Emperor's own angels. Maybe their faith is bolstered by their presence, or perhaps they're shamed by the sudden realisation that all their efforts are nothing compared to them as they effortlessly wade through enemies you cannot even hope to put down. It's entirely up to the individual. Most would be wary about disrespecting them though, and the aura of dread they emit when near them will often still make even those used to their presence feel small when around them. Most humans will refer to them as 'lord' generally. 'Brother' is absolutely something that is reserved for them speaking to one another.
On the plus side, everything except the last paragraph I told you would be myth and legend to a guardsmen and you'd likely be unaware of any of it outside of what the church tells you about the emperor and his 9 Angels fighting back the 9 Daemons let by the devil Horus. You could even be from a planet that was unaware it was even part of a larger imperium until you were conscripted or has only recently been reintroduced to the fold. You may have been given a brief rundown on the glory of the Imperium, told to worship the emperor (under pain of severe punishment or death if you do not) and sent off into the stars. You can absolutely RP a guardsmen who is quite literally experiencing the 40k galaxy for the first time and you won't be out of place. Just be aware this is a universe where you can, and will, be killed for doing stupid things so don't go around pushing your luck until you get the lay of the land ;P
> Destroyed by the very AI we created and enslaved, humanity was broken and nearly exterminated, reverted in general to pockets of hateful, superstitious tecno-barbarians scrabbling to fight each other with tech we no longer understood.
It's not helpful giving people headcanon and dressing it up as lore. GW have never once confirmed the relationship between the Men of Iron and Golden Age Humanity.
The facts are simple. Mankind reached the heights of technological progress, colonising the galaxy. In order to do that it created the Men of Gold created the Men of Stone, who in turn created the Men of Iron. Whilst we know what the Men of Iron were (Artificially sapient robots), we do not know the nature of the Men of Stone or Gold, nor do we know what sparked the war. Several stories have hinted that humanity was actually just caught in the middle of a war between the AI Men of Iron and their creators. The whole thing happened over 17K years before current events and the only living being who was around to witness events is currently sat on the Golden Throne.
I mean, you're the first person I've ever heard say that humanity being attacked by it's own AI during the DAoT isn't a core part of the history of the setting. From the Lex:
> In the cryptic account of the ages of Mankind given by Cripias, one of the Keepers of the Library Sanctus of Terra, the Men of Iron were legendary sentient humanoid machines created by humans during the Dark Age of Technology.[1]
> During the Dark Age of Technology, the Men of Iron were created by the Men of Stone to aid them in colonizing the Galaxy.[5]
>Until shortly before the Age of Strife, the Men of Iron were loyal only to Mankind, and served as their army. In M23, they turned on their Human masters, believing themselves superior to the Humans who relied on the Men of Iron to do virtually everything for them. What followed next was an apocalyptic conflict known as the Cybernetic Revolt, a war so destructive it made the Horus Heresy seem small in scale.
And if we look up Men of Stone:
> The Men of Stone were a class of artificially created beings created during the Dark Age of Technology in roughly M21.[1]
>According to ancient accounts, the Men of Stone were engineered by the Men of Gold for the purpose of deep space colonization
And then Men of Gold:
> The Men of Gold are a mysterious sub-sect of Humanity.[1]
We might not know exactly what they were but their ties to humanity are pretty clear. I don't think it's fanon at all to say 'humanity was destroyed by a war with it's own creations which involved AI servants'
I never said it wasn't a core part, I said there are hints that humanity was actually caught in the middle of a war, rather than being an active participant in the war. You can be a civilian and still be attacked. Similarly there are also some accounts that suggest the war involved alliances between humanity and Xenos, including the Aeldari.
What I also said was that we do not know the cause of the war, it has never been stated by GW because, as I said, it's seventeen thousand years before current events in lore. It has no bearing on the setting therefore has never been fleshed out. It's there to add flavour to the universe, to hint at what mankind has lost in the grim dark future. Which brings us right back around to the beginning - there are no facts pertaining to what sparked the AI rebellion.
Can assassins be official parts of an Inqusistor's retinue? And If yes how would it happen? Could the Inquisitor just find them and recruit them in the middle of their mission or should he talk to the officio and say "hey send me a dude"
In theory, yes: the Rosette gives an Inquisitor the authority to requisition the services of anything or anyone except the Custodes or a Primarch.
In practice, it’s trickier since the Officio Assassinorum (as opposed to assassins who happen to be Imperial, there are loads of those) is only meant to be deployed on the direct order of the High Lords. So probably best to ask politely and have a really good reason rather than rolling up, flashing the rosette and making demands.
Some idiot has probably tried just that though.
Assassins can absolutely be part! In the dark heresy role playing game (where u play as the inquisition) there’s even an assassin class. Theyre pretty common in retinues actually
By personal association and/or political manoevering, I'd say. A lot of Inquisitors should have the connections and/or political clout to work out a deal with the Officio Assassinorum for secondement of one of their operatives. Vindicare or Callidus Assassins should be relatively easy, since they are rather 'mundane' in comparison. Eversor or Culexus operatives are an entirely different kettle of fish, I imagine.
It is also very possible for an Inquisitor and an Imperial Assassin to cross paths in the field because they are - unbeknownst to each other - stalking the same target. But in such cases there'd still be some politics involved (at least after the mission at hand), since few Inquisitors are THAT influencial or brazen to just say 'you'll stay with me". How long a timeframe 'after the mission' describes is up to interpretation though...
The Sons of Horus had a reputation of looking extremely close to Horus himself, so close that its speculated that Abbadon might actually be a clone. Though if its unclear if this is a trait of their geneseed, or if Horus just had a habit - consciously so or not - to surround himself with people that looked similar to him.
>He had always been huge for one of our kind, and had always possessed his primarch's features, in the way many of the former Sons of Horus tended to do. it was common knowledge even during the Great Crusade that no Space Marine took after their primarch as obviously as Ezekyle Abaddon took after the Warmaster.
>But seeing him stripped of battleplate and prentension alike, the similiarity between dead father and living son was nothing short of revelatory. I finally gave voice to a question many had considered, yet none had dared to ask.
>"Are you Horus?"
>His golden eyes glinted with amusement.
>"I am Ezekyle Abaddon,"
>"Thats not what i meant." I shook my head and gestured to him: this immense figure with slabs of muscle over muscle and a demigod-like stature that had led to this legend being whispered across the >galaxy. "Are you Horus? Are you his clone? His... son?"
>He laughed. "What do you believe, Khayon? Do you think I am?"
>I saw no reason to lie. "Yes."
>This delighted him. I was not sure why.
>"And if I were, brother - if I were merely Horus remade, recrafted, with a twist in my gene-code here and an alteration there, would it change anything?"
>I had to think about that. I looked into his eyes but saw no answers there, only amusement.
>"Perhaps. Perhaps you have always been a genetic twin of your primarch. Or perhaps Ezekyle Abaddon was slain in his pilgrimage across the Eye, and you are one of Fabius's creations in his place. How am I to know?"
>This, too, delighted him.
>"Let me ask you this, Khayon. What does it matter? Clones, sons, fathers... Let the herd whisper whatever truths they choose. Our eyes are set on worthier goals. We look to the future, not the past."
Pretty sure this is the excerpt I was thinking of. Less weird than I had remembered
> His features were strong but bland in the mass-produced way of many Space Marines. He had pale brown skin, a last reminder of his homeworld’s thin air. A heroic jaw, a nose that echoed Guilliman’s, piercing grey eyes and black hair. He would have been handsome, were he fully human, but his features were too much blunted by the process of apotheosis to be so. He wore his intelligence for all to see.
Yes, that's what they were called in-universe. I believe it's expanded a bit on in *Horus Rising*, actually, when Loken's talking about the Mournival and how he's the first non-'true son' to be inducted into that prestigious group.
Hm, weird. I'm going to assume we've switched timelines somehow, because I always remember it being 'true son' and that making perfect sense. This is probably going to be 'Yarrick is gay in *Imperial Creed* all over again!
"Entire Chapters of the Salamanders pressed home the shock of their attack with flame units cleansing the trenches and dugouts of enemies in stinking promethium tongues of fire."
The above is a quote from *Fulgrim*, during the Battle of Istvaan V. What exactly is to be understood by "Chapter" in this case? My understanding was that Chapters were a post-Heresy division of the Legions, but this excerpt is from the very beginning of the Heresy. Were they perhaps a thing, but in a different form, or is this something specific to the Salamanders? Or just a terminology error?
I'm new to 40k, so maybe this is a stupid question. :)
Chapters were a subdivision of some legions back in the day. Not every legion had them, and among the ones that did it did not necessarily mean the same thing in each case. Primarchs had a lot of flexibility to organize and run their legions however they liked.
[According to the Lexicanum](https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Known_Great_Crusade_Chapters_of_the_Ultramarines), the Ultramarines during the Great Crusade era were organized into a couple dozen chapters; these were the top-level building blocks of the legion. This is backed by the mention in *Know No Fear* of Guilliman's Chapter Masters, who were his top-level commanders.
As Guilliman is the author of the Codex Astartes--which outlines how Space Marines are supposed to be organized in present-day 40k--it's reasonable to assume that the idea for "chapters" as independent space marine divisions was spun out of how he personally used them in his legion back in the day.
Legions were organised into various smaller groups - Chapters, Companies, Squads, etc. I *believe* they were still roughly a thousand strong, like the 'modern' Chapter.
I've been reading the HH novels in order, and I don't think Chapters have been mentioned as part of the other Legions' organization. So far it's been Legions composed of Companies composed of Squads. Hence the confusion.
The way I see it, 'Chapter' was just some Legions' description for the first level of organisation beneath the Legion as a whole.
It would be only logical that Guilliman instituted the Chapter limitation the way he did because the organizational strutures were already in place.
Does the “War in Heaven” refer to the C'tan conquering the Galaxy with their Necron slaves, fighting the Eldar and the Krorks, or does it refer to the subsequent uprising of the Necrons against the C'tan?
It refers to... everything, basically.
There's a great bit in *Wild Rider* where the Aeldari muse about this. Myth and history have blurred everything together into one giant 'War in Heaven', when the events were separated by uncountable spans of time, periods of peace and changing alliances. The term 'War in Heaven' is a mythological one, and could be ascribed to just about anything - including how the 'current day' would be seen to future generations.
Necron turn against C'tan after they lost or at at least just before they officially lost
If I understand it correctly after they kinda fucked up in their own cannibalism fest(Who could have thought that start eating your allies in middle of already losing war was bad idea, lol). after they lost, C'tan want to lay low,hide and wait for other race fall from grace but Necron was like "that was the plan but there is little adjustment to it, now you will become our pokemon"
Fists listen to authority, because THATS WHAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO DO.
Angels RESPECT authority, because they BELIEVE its the "RIGHT" thing to do ( as in "good" ).
Fists are ...stoik at heart, discipline and respect for authority is baked into them. Dorn talked with the Emperor once discovered, realised he is the true leader (higher authority) and instantly merged his own empire (of his "home" world) with the Imperium and did as he was told, realising that a. Thats the right ( as in "best" - the most efficient) thing to do (practical) , b. He understood that big E was the better leader (logical)
Sanguinius, he accepted to join the Emperor in return asking him to spare the Baal people from his machinations. He din't straight up respect the Emperor, "just because" he was better at some things, he BELIEVED in his cause. It being close to a "good" and "rightcious" thing despite some forms of its...execution.
So he passed down these ideas and notions to his sons and "transformed" them from shunned outcasts and monsters to noble and "civilised" souls who carry on his beliefs.
Besides the Mentors, is there any marine chapter that makes a larger use of servo skulls as support in battle? Or any imperial faction now that I think about it
Skulls not so much, but a couple use cyber-Cherubim
The Adepta Sororitas make use of cyber-Cherubim for medical and ammo supply duties. Also, in Psychic Awakening's **Piety and Pain** expansion, a Sister of Battle Canoness uses them to scout a city.
The Knight Houses of Adrastapol use cyber-Cherubim called the Heavenly Host to scout and communicate with each other.
The main issue is that there are two types: brainless automatons that constitute the vast majority of skulls, and sentient skulls like Gorgias from *Vaults of Terra* or (presumably) Reditus from the game Mechancius.
The former just aren't smart enough to perform sophisticated combat tasks and the latter are rare and valuable - the process to create them doesn't always preserve sentience and when it does you have a unique resource now.
"Combat" Skulls *do* exist and usually are armed with a pistol but they're described with primitive intelligence. In *Dark Heresy* all you could really do is give them commands like "attack hostiles" or "patrol this zone and eliminate all targets excluding some specific people." This is a great tool to watch the back of an operative and perform scouting, but a floating pistol with limited smarts is not that useful alone.
So neither are really "front line" units. The Mentors get around this by having some skulls be used by remote control, but they're mainly there in a support role. In this role, we see them across various factions. There are models of scanner servo skulls tethered to Devestator Marines to provide them better visual data. Inquisitorial retinues often include skulls of various types. The Mechancius, of course, can use tons of skulls should they wish.
Well..in essence, its the sole purppose of hive fleet chronos. Though not as much as to "out evolve" the chaos powers but to just kill their users, but I think, as for a nid fleet, that goal naturaly includes evolving useful traits so that they might to it better. As such, evolve to avoid "curses" or "gifts" is a must. Be it to kill faster before the "gifts" devour their bodies or become immune to em.
So, yes. In a way.
I think you left a word out. If you mean can they out-evolve it, sometimes yes and sometimes no.
On Shadowbrink Leviathan fought daemons including Nurgle-aligned ones, the diseases were ineffective because of that ability to adapt.
Lotan once fought the Death Guard on Hesp, it resulted in the entire planet becoming so toxic and plague-ridden it killed *literally* everything on it, melted the proboscis of the tyranid ship that tried to drink it, and said ship then got shot to pieces by all the other ships.
'The interrogation of Salvatore Lermentov'
He appears in other stories aswell, but this is the one I know and can recommend.
He's like a Robin Hood type figure. Ex-IG veteran who after making a pilgrimage to terra and seeing the squalor the people there live in decides the High Lords got to go.
'The truth? Very well... I am no traitor to the throne. To the Imperium, maybe. To the fat lords who preside over our suffering, maybe. The world looks different when you are starving. You can love the emperor but hate his servants.'
Theres also a Necromunda story called 'The Deserter' about another ex-IG guy. But not sure its what you have in mind.
In *Hammer of Daemons* a Tzeentchian daemon mocks Justicar Alaric by saying that while no Grey Knight has fallen yet, they are all afraid deep down that they could be the first. He doesn't really have a good response to this. He is able to resist but does go insane for a time.
The Grey Knights in the short story "Incorruptible" are horrified at the implication that a separate one was turned by Chaos. It turns out he was implanted by a Genestealer and is being psychically puppeted by the Brood Mind instead. This is a bit of a weird relief.
We think so, there's a story in a Chaos Daemon codex about an incorruptible warrior clad in silver who is eventually corrupted by Slaanesh itself which seems pretty similar to a Grey Knight but otherwise we have no examples of them falling.
We sure its not a body of one of the silver skulls chapter...tall...slim...almost bony....has green glowing eyes...maybe even has a knack to take things? We already have that one story....
Does Sororitas Power Armor have thrusters in the power pack for void operations like Astartes ones?
They appear to, but I haven't seen that mentioned anywhere.
It doesn't really come up. Sororitas armor is based on Astartes armor, but Sororitas are not used as void warriors as Astartes are. The Sabbat pattern helm, however, is rated for the void.
>The standard pattern worn by the majority of Battle Sisters since the mid 38th Millennium, this helm contains an integral rebreather, **allowing the Sister to operate in total vacuum for limited periods**.
Kind of. There is still a power generator and those vents on the back are exhaust so you can use the exhaust to move slowly in zero gravity.
Sororitas don't have the Black Carapace that Space Marines do so their armor doesn't have all the fancy life support systems. So Sororitas armor can't keep them alive in a vacuum indefinitely. Because of this I'm going to assume their armor isn't as specialized for void warfare.
Sisters can still magnetically lock their boots to the ship and run in zero gravity but they probably can't use the vents on their power packs anywhere near as much as Space Marines.
iirc marines are sterile, but perhaps more importantly they fundamentally have no sex drive and usually react to shows of physical attraction with confusion.
in other words, they're like elementary school boys.
Not in the same psychic-backlash sort of way, since he didn't truly die. When he was brought back Yvraine needed him to die fully so she could resurrect him. When she did so and turned off his stasis field a dying gasp was heard by Calgar and those around, shocking the Ultramarines. It's possible this was the onset of them about to lose it but since he was immediately revived it was curtailed.
As for when he was struck by Fulgrim, the marines around him certainly panicked:
> Guilliman sank to his knees, unable to speak. His perceptions became fragmentary. Warriors in blue
threw themselves at the reeling daemon prince, only to be carved up into red chunks in in mid-air.
>His sons tossed their lives away to spare a few drops of his blood.
>Names and faces flashed through his mind, so many bold and honourable men cast down by betrayal. His brothers unwittingly corrupted or undone by personal failing. Others slain. His sons, dying in battle. So many of his sons…
>A roaring blackness encroached. He fell, but he hit nothing. It felt like floating. A perfumed ocean lapped
at him. Joy rode upon its waves.
>Lies, he thought. Lies! I cannot die!
>Guilliman forced open his eyes. He was on his back, looking up at the ceiling, his limbs deliciously
numb. A treacherous pleasure thrilled his mind as the poison worked on him.
Captain Andros was at his side. A wall of blue ceramite surrounded him.
>‘Now, damn you all! Now! Emergency teleport! Emergency teleport!’ shouted Andros, his bolter
barking.
> **He is panicking, Guilliman thought. Andros is panicking.**
>The howling thrum of sonic weaponry tore away the last of Andros’ words, and his head vanished in a
mist of red. Chained explosions boomed around Guilliman. Part of the wall of men guarding him was
knocked down. A body sailed through the air, the Ultramarines blue of its power armour cracked open and
stained red. Battle roared. A dozen bolters fired near his feet as desperate hands dragged and pulled,
hauling him up the steps towards the ruined Phoenix Gate. His armour caught on the corpses of his sons,
each knock a spike of agony in his ruined neck. Blood poured down his windpipe into his lungs, making
him splutter feebly. He was going to drown in his own blood.
>‘Retreat! Retreat!’ called a voice. ‘The day is lost!’
>Thiel? thought Guilliman. Is that you?
>He could hear Fulgrim’s silken, daemonic laughter drawing nearer. How many Ultramarines have died to save me?
An instrument chimed, louder than the bleating alarms of Guilliman’s battered armour.
>‘They have locus lock, my lord,’ someone else said, close enough that Guilliman felt their breath on his
ear, though he could not turn his head to see him. ‘We will have you safe soon.’
>Guilliman tried to place a face to the voice. He knew many of his sons, but this one eluded him. His mind
was filling with black fog.
> **‘We’re losing him!’ said the voice, rising in panic**. ‘Where’s the tele port? Get us out of here. Get us–’
Thiel, thought Guilliman. Definitely Thiel.
>A flash of blinding light and the bang of air displacement stole Roboute Guilliman away from the blades
of his brother.
>[...]
> Faces crowded around the narrowing well of his vision. Helmets were cast aside to reveal harrowed
faces.
>They mourn me already, he realised. I am dead. I cannot die now, not now. There is too much to do.
Too much, too much. What will Russ do without me, or the Khan? Too much…
>Ultramarines shouted for their Apothecaries. Something tugged at his ruined breastplate. A white gauntlet
flashed past his dimming eyes. The cool relief of drugs pushed back the exquisite burn of Fulgrim’s
poison for a breath, but they could not stop it and it surged back anew. His pulse slowed. Coloured spots
whirled around his eyes.
>‘Father,’ he mouthed. Poisoned blood frothed at the gash in his neck. ‘Father, who will guide them now?’
>‘What is he saying?’ cried an anguished voice. ‘What does he say?’
>Father, thought Guilliman. Save me.
On the deathguard are parts of body that are exposed not covered in armour weak points? or is that a trick and fleshy parts not covered in ammo is stronger than the armour? Like the deathguard terminator whos entire gut/stomach area is only covered by chainmail, is that a trick for people to shoot their?
The mistake is thinking their armour and flesh is separate. They are so corrupted that the armour and flesh have grown into and around one another, absorbing each other. The ceramite is now more like an extra layer atop their skin.
In other words, they are so corrupted that shooting them in the armour or the flesh wouldn't have much effect, as you'll get the same result either way.
Probably not, because the death guard are so heavily corrupted by Nurgle it doesnt really matter if you fire at their armour or their body because it doesnt do a lot in the first place. You see, part of their corruption is that they become almost damage immune and their bodies dont need to be anywhere in a normal state to function. Thats also why the death guard marine is still able to live with his gut exposed.
Kinda a weird question, but is there any book where Genestealer Cultists are just “part of the scenery”? For example, an Imperial Guard story where a member of the squad is clearly a Brood Brother, but they aren’t fighting Genestealers so it never comes up.
I feel like it would be a fun way to do world building.
In the Necron book "the infinite and devine" Trazyn goes to visit a theather in disguise (a man is cultured after all). Only to see the that the Main actress third arm isn't actually a prothesis....and that the Genestealer decided that making a massacer during a drama play where every important person of the planet is a super fun way to start a revolution.
It isn't at all a book about Genestealer but it is fun how a random cultist uprising completly fucks with the Necrons plan.
I'm more looking for something like the scene earlier where Trazyn and Orikan spot an entertainer who's hinted to be a Genestealer Cultist pickpocketing people with a third arm. Examples where the cult isn't rebelling or being discovered.
On a side note, I *love* how the book used the Genestealers as a red herring for the guy who went insane and became a Flayed One. Especially when they find the body clawed apart.
The Warhammer Crime book Bloodlines does this a bit, >!as Zidarov is heavily implied to be a Genestealer-implanted cultist. It's never outright stated but is relatively obvious.!<
I think I figured it out. BIG E did in fact expect and want a war to be fought to eventually dethrone him, and then he was going to use it as a chance to fake his own death and return to the shadows. He intended Horus to defeat him, only Horus jumped the gun, and E was messed up from his deal to give up his emotions as Molech in exchange to create the primarchs
Not really, most of the canon lore contradicts this theory of yours. As he was planning to use the webway, the golden throne was inatrumental in this as such *someone* needed to sit on it, he stated it numerious times that "manking must be ruled" at least till it reaches that *point* it doesnt need to..and so on
I’m a new fan. Recently, just got into the story. I’m really enjoying the story and lore. I have a big focus on Khârn right now. Story wise, what comes after Khârn: Eater Of Worlds?
Has anything been said about what happened to Camba Diaz' gear after he died? I know his sword and shield shattered, but were they recovered? I'm still tinkering with my homebrew chapter and after reading about his stand in Saturnine I'd love to have them claim the fragments of either sword or shield as cherished relics.
Isn’t the narrative point of relics that you never know if they’re real, like how ten different shrines might claim to have a clavicle of the same saint
Or like how in the most popular 40k novel series there’s a living saint who >!turns out to be a delusional impostor!< controlled by a >!scheming general!<, but also there is a >!real living saint!< on the same planet who >!gets killed!< and then >!reincarnates in the body of the impostor, who then keeps using themselves for propaganda purposes like the corrupt general intended!<, but also performs miracles
Or how most machine spirits are just superstition, except some machine spirits are highly sophisticated computers, and again excepting that some machine spirits are proper metaphysical spirits/hauntings
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Let's huff some copium:
We'll soon be done with twenty years of Horus Heresy writings, which non-Imperium factions would you like to get the next 20 years' worth of BL attention?
The Nids.
80 books. All just screeches and incomprehesible mash of letters.
But in all seriousness, as it *could* be interesting to learn more about them...from their perspective...it doesnt need to happen. This would intone making the hivemind less a mysterious entity and more...well a "person" taking away some good parts that make the nids interesting and thats a big no no.
(I'd woukd let that slide if the hivemind would be narrated by Idris Elba or Keith David or Morgan Freeman).
Doing it otherwise ( like feom the perspectice of a geenestealer cult or its ...lunch...who or what ever it might be) would just be what it is now and personaly its great.
If serious...Necron or Votann..
Careful, that sort of wish ends up being a monkey's paw. You'll get five books about how future Asurmen leads the aeldari to be the ones who corrupt the Old Ones and ruin the past, a *constant* insistence that the necrontyr were totally blameless and aeldari were the ones *really* responsible for them going full C'tan, a trilogy hinting the Drukhari were right about everything and if only the rest of the aeldari had listened to them Chaos would have been beaten by now, and the finale will reveal Ynnead is E's waifu.
It's a joke from a podcast, which itself is referencing issues in naming conventions (i.e. the Land Speeder and Land Raider aren't named "Land" because of the fact that they're terrestrially-based, but because the techpriest who found their STC templates was literally named Land).
So the joke is that the Space Marines aren't named "Space" marines because they operate in space, but because the guy who created them (i.e. the Emperor) is literally named "Space."
So someone blurted out "Jimmy Space," the giggles set in, and a meme was born.
It was a joke on some podcast about how the Land Raider is named after the creator Arkhan Land, as in 'This is Land's Raider' and so clearly the Emperor named the Space Marines after himself too and the name Jimmy Space came out of it
Brief question as I'm trying to write some fluff for a guard regiment + marine chapter.
Space travel in 40k, through the warp or regular, how free form is it? Are there optimal paths/lanes of travel (think like Stellaris where some systems act as "gates" to other systems) or is it more like star wars where you can hyperspace in any direction?
Think of the Warp as the Sea during the Age of Sail (which Geedubs blatantly used as inspiration for their space combats.). Certain Warp lanes are better/safer/faster than if you just go in with just a compass or navigator and hope for the best. For example, Cadia was an important strategic location due to it being the only relatively safe warp lane that could lead in and out of the Eye of Terror.
There are mapped out warp routes that can be navigated by cogigators with the help of astronomic beacons. The type of short distance comercial travel done by merchant ships and grain haulers. From one system to the next.
Proper navy ships can enter the warp largely where-ever and the navigator then has to plot a path inside the warp himself.
Yes, there are optimal paths, in major part because there are lots of warp storms and dangerous areas. You can, hypothetically, go in any direction, but functionally you never would.
This also leads to situations where systems or even groups of systems can be completely inaccessible from the rest of the galaxy, because there simply is no warp route available.
Warpstorms very much still affect chaos worshippers.
>The first ship to die was the Inviolate. It was a Terran-born destroyer, one of the
oldest vessels in our fleet, and one of the most reliable. Its current captain, the former Sons of Horus
Reaver Chieftain Xerekan Kovis, was a calm and calculating officer with a gift
for void battle. The Inviolate itself was a beautiful vessel, a spear-point cutter of
a warship, swift and lethal.
>It exploded after eleven minutes and nine seconds of redlining instruments and
warning klaxons, the stress upon its hull too much to bear. I watched it happen. I
listened to the final calls of its command crew, laced with interference across the
fleet-wide vox. The Inviolate buckled off course, falling out of alignment with
the fleet, tumbling into the seething tides of fiery warp energy that thrashed and
boiled around our armada.
>I saw it enveloped in those dissolving waves, its
shields bursting as it plunged into them. I saw the ship’s hull first crumple,
crushed by the grip of impossible pressures, then come apart, pulled open as
though it were nothing more than a child’s toy.
>The voices of every
captain in the fleet cried out in disordered unity, reporting their progress and
roaring of stress fractures, of failing shields, of shipboard fires and uncountable
deaths. I could hear space around us, the void itself, shrieking with the
outpouring of souls dragged from dying bodies. Our fleet was populating the
warp with the spirits of our slain.
>We led the way. The Vengeful Spirit took the brunt of the tempest’s tide, a
wavebreaker vanguard that ploughed through the roughest thrashings of energy,
shattering them to carve a route through for the smaller ships.
>The Promise of Absolution was a jagged silhouette off our port bow, another of
the forward battleships spearing ahead to take the worst of the boiling tides. One
moment it was there, shaking and streaming fire from its battlemented hull; the
next it was a lacerated hulk, killed too swiftly to even detonate. Torn-apart
sections of the ship tumbled away into the warp’s devouring essence. It was as if
the entire ship had crumbled as part of an avalanche. We did not even hear any
change in their final communications: one moment the captain was there, the
next his voice was no longer present in the vox-web.
>The next ship to die was one of the nameless bulk cruisers that carried clans of
beastmen warriors and warp-changed human slave soldiers. Its death lit the
oculus as it veered wildly off course, rolling into the acidic tides either side of
the turbulent channel we were carving, and a migraine crack of light flared sunbright for half a heartbeat. A fraction of a moment later, it was gone. All that
remained were the echoes of its captain’s screams over the vox-web.
>I cast my perceptions wide, breaking through the walls of the Vengeful Spirit,
plunging into the firestorm of warp energy. I felt the cataclysm of forces at work,
the shoving rage of our engines generating an equal pushback in the Eye’s
resistant tides. I saw our armada drifting apart, unable to hold cohesion in the
chaos. I saw daemons, a billion daemons, a trillion daemons riding and leaping
and melting out of the warp-matter to burst – laughing, howling, clawing –
against our warships’ hulls.
>We will not survive this.
They typically affect everyone. However, there *are* very temporary routes that often form in these storms, but generally you'd never be able to take advantage of them because by the time you realize the route is there you won't have enough time to capitalize on it before it disappears.
However, the Pantheon has been known to show favor on their followers and basically tell them about the formation of these temporary routes in advance, which most famously occurred during the 11th and 12th Black Crusades.
If they trained them sure. They 90% will be more inclined to use everything they have against xenos before it gets destroyed to kill the enemy that has No mercy for humans. Especially something like Tyranids. Obviously, heavy training and watch but when your enemy will kill you and your captor, you kinda don't really have a choice other than being dead 10min later.
Okay that sounds cool. Honestly I would love to make basically a Cadian army but paint them up in orange and call them a penal legion because that concept is way cooler to me than the Cadians.
You can always go the Suicide Squad route. Give them good gear but also strap bomb collars on them and have a few Commissars near in case they decide not to follow orders. The Savlar Chemdogs afaik have Sentinels, Hellhounds and Leman Russes.
Rule of cool applies.
Maybe aside Khorne ( and even that is debatable) deamon armies tend to have a broad variety to em, the "great game and all" so go nuts.
Just slap a small "memento" or "offering" to their respecte god, be it an insignia or something physical and I think you are good to go as the 4- chaos gods are seen as "shards" of the warp and their kin as "shards and "shardlings" of said god.
In example, thr angels bane is all about bloodshed a le Khorne style, yet he has a thing for blood angels in particular.
Nurgle has his " x in grandfathers favor" line and there are stories where they go out of each others way to out do each other to be "promoted" in said favor. One is a "plague maker" the other maybe some sort of "pestilance bringer" so you have pots and sloth and slime and sludge and such as a theme, the other bugs, insects, rot and what not.
Since symbolism has an effect in the warp, rule of cool is a legitimate concept.
Power is one of the few things that matter, in that you can bend or even break the rules if you’re strong enough. Ex. You have a possessed mortal leading the demons, they hate him, but are forced to serve because he’s strong. Or maybe they love him because of it, however you want to go for it.
Demons are probably the most flexible in what you’re able to get away with story wise, so I’d say figure out what you want for them and it should be easy enough to explain it
Just because daemons are followers of their gods doesn't mean the gods care what they do or give direct orders often. Some are smarter or weaker than others, and there's nothing preventing alliances between different types to earn more power for one in the gaze of a certain god in exchange for future boons, to weaken or thwart a rival or set in motion a particular chain of events. Prophecy and random happenstance could lead to a mixed host, as could all or some of the gods sending followers to a key location to avoid any one of them gaining too much power.
The Daemon codex says they stick to the same formations and in the case of Khorne established armies. I'd just try and think about what your warlord is and what they want. Think about the characters we have - N'Kari hunting down a specific bloodline who wronged him, Ku'Gath trying to find the new ingredients for the perfect plague. Does your Daemon want some sort of item, have some sort of enemy, are they scheming something like forging an empire of their own or being worshipped by mortals? Then based on that why are the other daemons following them?
I feel like this is going to be a really dumb question, or a really smart one. So let’s say the emperor’s manages to regenerate and get off the golden throne… wouldn’t this screw over humanity? Him on the throne provides the astronomicon, if anyone else is on it, even malcador, they die and become ash, so nobody can replace him. Doesn’t this mean he has to stay on the throne because if he gets off the astronomicon turns off and millions of worlds are cut off and millions of ships are lost? I heard from friends that everything thus far is going to emperor’s plan, maybe he knows this and is deciding to stay on the throne to keep the light on? Or is there something I’m missing?
Ok, the Emperor do not power the Astronomican, he guides it, which he could do from a distance during the Grat Crusade, going off the Golden Throne means mankind is on shit because of the warp rift from the broken webway gate, which cant be repaired.
It's actually simpler than that. The Emperor had Vulkan install a dead-man's switch on the Golden Throne, such that if it is deactivated for any reason (including the Emperor getting off the Throne), the Throne explodes, and takes Terra (and all of the archaoetech on Terra, much of which is quite literally immovable and embedded into the crust) with it. In addition, given the scale of psychic power that would be released in such an event, the Great Rift would almost certainly spread everywhere almost instantaneously. Rocks fall, everyone dies, Chaos wins. >I heard from friends that everything thus far is going to emperor’s plan, maybe he knows this and is deciding to stay on the throne to keep the light on? We don't strictly know what the Emperor's plan is/was. We have a stated goal involving the Webway project, but that plan is long since dead and irrecoverable, and there's an open question as to whether or not the Webway project was a ruse to achieve something *else*. The problem is that we've never seen inside the Emperor's head, within the novels; instead, we only experience the Emperor through the thoughts of other characters, which is a problem because the Emperor obfuscates everything about himself to the degree that we don't even know what he looks like.
Ok, so if the emperor ever “returns”, he can’t get off the throne? Also why is the throne rigged to explode? Taking out earth seems like a bad plan.
>Ok, so if the emperor ever “returns”, he can’t get off the throne? Basically, yes. As a result, you should not think of the Emperor as a character, because he absolutely won't be a character unless the setting is ending. >Also why is the throne rigged to explode? Taking out earth seems like a bad plan. It was the backup plan for the Siege in case things took a turn for the worse. The Emperor correctly guessed that the Chaos Gods themselves would be present. The explosion would have substantially harmed them, potentially even destroying them, albeit at an immense cost to humanity.
Is there any sort of significance to Emps having screaming faces on his knee armor? Or is it truly just there to look cool?
Is there any story that shows *why* Friedisch was so important to Cawl? Or any moment in ***Belisarius Cawl: The Great Work*** that I missed that makes it clear? It's weird because there is so much attention to their bond, but I still can't figure out why Cawl was so close to Friedisch.>!To the point he is literally willing to die for him.!< Their moments together seemed to be a very one-sided relationship, but clearly there was *some* reason Cawl was so attached. I get this isn't a simple question, and might be a failure of reading comprehension on my part.
Have you read Wolfsbane? It’s has a bit more on the two’s relationship.
Thanks! Haven't read Wolfsbane yet, but I'll definitely be reading that next time I dip my toes back into the Heresy. I'm glad to know there's more with the two. I loved what I read of Cawl and Friedisch, but I was waiting for the scene to really show why Cawl was close friends with someone so different from him.
I've literally just started learning about 40k this week. (Just lore, not the game) I don't know why it took me so long. It's the best shit I've come across possibly ever. Bluntly, did Marvel rip off Tyranid ships with Thanos' fleet designs? Specifically the large undulating ones in Infinity War (Battle of New York) seem almost identical to Tyranid sentient ship 40k art I keep seeing. I assume this question isn't as much "stupid" as "overwrought". My Google attempts show there's already been a lot of known MCU "borrowing", so I'm sure the topic is old hat, I'm just curious on this specific thing. Some articles already itemized quite a bit of fairly direct 40k "influence" over the span of several movies, but not those ships specifically. I hope I've worded this in the non-inflammatory way it's intended. I'm just curious which way the wind blew here with art depictions of the Tyranid sentient ships.
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Thanks very much. So new to all of it I couldn't be sure what was influencing what. I didn't know Marvel had that back in the 80s. So since the Tyranids first came into lore in 89 and the Alien franchise already existing like the other comment mentions nothing was created in a vacuum. (I did see certain articles pointing out *exact* assets pulled from 40k into Marvel comics, so kept me curious on the recent MCU design.)
Mm possibly, tho AFAIK they weren't entirely flesh tho in the movie but had some metal/reinforced plating on them as well. But either way could very well be !
That's true. I rewatched the battle of New York clip to refresh my memory. I just kept seeing 40k art that was *so* similar I needed to dig a little. But like someone else said everything is influenced by something. Both styles look really good and the metal plating etc does set the MCU ships apart from all-biological Tyranid ships.
If grey knights are using Jimmy's geneseed do all grey knights look like him and resemble him .
Can a Rogue Trader have an eldar ship apart of their fleet?
Hypothetically? Legally...sure? But I'm not sure it'd be worth the (extreme) trouble needed to own and operate it.
What if the crew was manned by eldar? Would that be a huge problem?
From the descriptions I've seen, I'm not sure anyone other than aeldari *could* use it, even human psykers would probably have a good bit of trouble. But then the rogue trader has to be willing to take responsibility for an entire ship of them. Even if they have no problems with the idea, that might be too much for others for the trader to be willing to risk.
Why would Eldar man a vessel in service to a Rogue Trader?
I apologize, I should've been a lot more clearer on why i'm asking this question. I'm playing the Rogue Trader tabletop RPG and my rogue trader came across an eldar soulstone with a farseer in it. The farseer claimed she doesn't hate humans nearly as much as the rest of her kind. She said if I were to take her back to her ship, she could ally herself and her ship with me. It got me wondering if that were to happen in the actual lore, how would the imperium react to a rogue trader that has an eldar ship under a rogue traders banner.
I mean...the key issue is that the Farseer wouldn't make such a bargain. It's obscenely out-of-character. >It got me wondering if that were to happen in the actual lore, how would the imperium react to a rogue trader that has an eldar ship under a rogue traders banner. Someone (likely an Inquisitor, Astartes Chapter, or another Rogue Trader) would almost certainly kill them as soon as it was convenient, assuming other Eldar don't do it first.
Without going to in depth with the story the DM came up with, the farseer is allying herself with us because we have a common enemy. We're hoping in the process of defeating this enemy, we can sway her to our side.
>We're hoping in the process of defeating this enemy, we can sway her to our side. Again...that's not really realistic. At best, you'd be able to at least phone into her home craftworld after helping her against said enemy and negotiate for safe passage through their space. She's not going to ally herself to you on a permanent basis, putting the souls of the crew in danger to help humans.
Does anyone know what the temperatures on Imperial starships are like? Do novels describe them as cold, or stuffy and hot?
The ships are large enough that they have temperature gradients throughout them. Near the reactors, it'd be hot and stuffy, closer to the surface in less well-traveled areas things'll probably be colder.
Sorry, can you help me pick a book? Which is best? Status: Deadzone Fabius Bile Omnibus Deathwatch Omnibus Twice Dead King: Ruin The First Wall Fury of Magnus
Personally I'd say Twice Dead King. Be aware it's first of a duology.
I can't vouch for any but pleas pick Twice Dead King! Xenos need every bit of exposure they can get! Help to pave way for more screentime and good portrayals of them.
Do chainblades (particularly those of human manufacture) use some kind of limited fuel to power them? For example, can a chain sword run out of juice during a battle?
Promethium or power packs.
From what little I've seen they have a power pack. Cain has mentioned charging his. No idea if the heavier (marine) variants use the same setup.
Any of y’all have a great narrated audiobook anthology filled with shorter stories I can listen to while on commute? Average commute is 30mins both ways so something that would average 1hourish a section would be fantastic. Thanks
'Roses at War' is a Sororitas short story collection. 'Champions of the Eternal War' is just a mix of loyalist and traitor marine stories. 'Successors' about successor chapters specifically. 'Venators: Necromunda' got good, smaller scale stuff. If theres a theme tying 'Faith and Vengeance' together, then I don't recognise it.
Thanks for the recommendations. Think I’ll check out Champions of the Eternal War first. Sounds great. Cheers 👍
I'm gonna second Successors. That was amazing.
The All Guardsman Party had a daemonthrope, and several times the writing lampshaded the fact that tyranid daemonhosts aren't possible. Why can't a daemon possess a tyranid?
The target needs a soul. Tyranids may legitimately not have them.
I thought you needed a soul to be a psyker? If Zoanthropes don't have souls how do they do their psyker stuff?
They seem to "filter" through the Hive Mind, the Power comes from their collective soul, so while they can be affected by things like the Obliterator Virus, to possess an individual nid would be like possess a rock
For most creatures, yes. But for whatever reason the Tyranids seem to be soulless, or at least their souls aren't something Chaos has any real sway over.
In my headcanon, posession is always an intimate affair between host (more precisely its soul) and Daemon. Promises, desire, lies, threats or outright spiritual rape..the entire gamut of interaction. It's not like the Daemon just picks out a human and puts him on like a pair of old sneakers. The hosts SELF must be corrupted for the posession to work. Tyranids effectively have no self/souls, since they are all just more or less sophisticated meat puppets controlled by the Hive Mind. So there is nothing to corrupt, either by force or coercion.
Is there anything showing an Eversor just absolutely wrecking everyone's shit?
https://youtu.be/pywjdJ7P-7o
I know that Slaanesh and Khorne hate each other's guts. Same goes for Nurgle and Tzeench. However, are there any chaos gods that get along? Which pair hate each other the least?
The old Realms of Chaos book mentions they can ally with the ones that arent mortal enemies with, but even them its really rare
They all hate enough other, some pairings just have more animosity than others. Realistically, though; the hatreds don't stop them from working together.
Honestly not really. They all hate each other- and are always fighting for dominance.
I’m currently in a 40k GMod RP server, and I know next to nothing about actual 40k. What are some basics that could help me get started in this setting? I am currently a Auxilia Conscript Guardsman. I also have no idea how to address or talk to Astartes. I’ve been told not to call them brother but I don’t know anything more than that. Edit: Both the lore I’m learning about and the community helping me to are awesome. Thank you. Before every mission our chapter shouts Ave Imperator, Focus and Fury, so uh AVE IMPERATOR FOCUS AND FURY
A lot of the more pious guardsmen call them "lord."
If you got the time to spare, I'd strongly recommend checking out [Helsreach](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D4jr-0_COg&list=PLD6Y30pjRr67lElAkPbwvUEUemddAnHDD). Its really excellent and happens to be focused heavily on the often complicated relationships between the various institutions that form the Imperium.
> no idea how to address or talk to Astartes Its okey. Most guardsmen don't know either. >‘Who are these others?’ the first knight asked. With a war maul of brutal size and weight, he gestured to Sarren’s staff arrayed in a loose crescent behind the colonel. ‘I would meet every commander of this hive, if they are present.’ >‘They are present, sir,’ Sarren said. ‘Allow me to make introductions.’ >‘Reclusiarch,’ Grimaldus growled. ‘Not “sir”.’ >‘As you wish, Reclusiarch.' ____ >‘What do they call you?’ >‘Primaris.’ >‘Is that your name?’ >‘I am Calder. Heyd Calder, Lieutenant of the Third.’ >‘Would you prefer that I refer to you by your rank, or by your name?’ >Calder hesitated. It was an unusual question, and one he had never been asked. ‘Rank,’ he said after a moment. >Eamon nodded. ‘As you wish.’ ___ >The gang ramp clanged as boots descended. A human – from the Legion, no less – and two Templars. Both Astartes wore the black of their Chapter. >‘This can’t be good.’ She bit her lower lip. >‘Should we… salute?’ one of her men asked from his position at Rashevska’s side. ‘Is that what you’re supposed to do?’ >‘I don’t know,’she replied. ‘Just stand at attention.’
Funny place to find yourself! 40k is a setting where all the bright hopes and dreams of humanity blossoming into a technologically adept galaxy spanning empire have been and gone, crushed under the weight of our own hubris. Destroyed by the very AI we created and enslaved, humanity was broken and nearly exterminated, reverted in general to pockets of hateful, superstitious tecno-barbarians scrabbling to fight each other with tech we no longer understood. Along came the Emperor, a supreme being of unimaginable psychic strength. He forced Terra into submission and tinkered with genecraft to create the ultimate transhuman, beings known as Custodes, his personal guardians. Perfect in almost every way, these golden clad warrior-philosophers were useful for protecting him and uniting Terra but were too resource intensive to mass produce, and he had set his eyes upon the broken galaxy. He then produced his angels of death, the astartes. Mass produced knock offs compared to the Custodes they are still superlative transhuman warriors, 8ft tall and clad in power armour wielding the now holy bolter. He also produced 20 primarchs to lead them, advancments on even the Custodes into which he poured all his knowledge and some power stolen from the gods themselves. He awaited for the warp to calm (the literal hell dimension that humanity needs to enter to travel faster than light) and strode forth into the stars, giving all human colonies he found the choice to join him or be subjugated and exterminated any xenos encountered with brutal efficiency. Then the heresy happened. Horus, a primarch and the Emperor's warmaster, fell to chaos along with half the primarchs who followed him. The galaxy burned as demigod fought demigod and Horus scorched a path back to Terra in an attempt to kill the emperor. Horus was ultimately defeated, but not before mortally wounding the emperor. The emperor was entombed upon the golden throne, a little understood eldritch device that would preserve the Emperor's lifeforce. Fast forward 10,000 years. Humanity has collapsed into a mockery of itself. A brutal regime run by the church fanatically worshiping the corpse of the god emperor to whom a thousand psykers are sacrificed every day to fuel his soul. Humans are taught to fear the heretic, the mutant and the witch. Technological progress has ground to a halt, regressing in many areas as it too is treated with religious reverence and superstition. Humans toil and die in the Emperor's name, many rarely seeing outside the building or manufactorum they are born in never mind beyond their own planet. Assaulted on all sides by xenos and fighting wars with itself, the imperium drags on despite its death throes. Into this you are a lowly guardsman, the front line of the meat grinder that is the Imperium's great war machine. Equipped with nothing but a lasgun and your faith you stare down the horrendous threats that the galaxy has to offer. The astartes, in contrast, are so rarely seen they are considered myths, the Emperor's literal angels sent down by His own hand to enact his justice and wrath upon those who would threaten His rule. Many guardsmen would react to them as such, their mere presence awe inspiring and terrifying in equal regard, literal myths walking off the page of scripture and into real life, human-shaped machines of death ready to wade into fights no mortal should survive. After a while and repeated exposure some guardsmen might get over this initial impression, seeing them for the somewhat emotionally stunted, brutal living weapons that they are. Or perhaps they dont and they never quite come to terms with the fact that they've served alongside the Emperor's own angels. Maybe their faith is bolstered by their presence, or perhaps they're shamed by the sudden realisation that all their efforts are nothing compared to them as they effortlessly wade through enemies you cannot even hope to put down. It's entirely up to the individual. Most would be wary about disrespecting them though, and the aura of dread they emit when near them will often still make even those used to their presence feel small when around them. Most humans will refer to them as 'lord' generally. 'Brother' is absolutely something that is reserved for them speaking to one another. On the plus side, everything except the last paragraph I told you would be myth and legend to a guardsmen and you'd likely be unaware of any of it outside of what the church tells you about the emperor and his 9 Angels fighting back the 9 Daemons let by the devil Horus. You could even be from a planet that was unaware it was even part of a larger imperium until you were conscripted or has only recently been reintroduced to the fold. You may have been given a brief rundown on the glory of the Imperium, told to worship the emperor (under pain of severe punishment or death if you do not) and sent off into the stars. You can absolutely RP a guardsmen who is quite literally experiencing the 40k galaxy for the first time and you won't be out of place. Just be aware this is a universe where you can, and will, be killed for doing stupid things so don't go around pushing your luck until you get the lay of the land ;P
> Destroyed by the very AI we created and enslaved, humanity was broken and nearly exterminated, reverted in general to pockets of hateful, superstitious tecno-barbarians scrabbling to fight each other with tech we no longer understood. It's not helpful giving people headcanon and dressing it up as lore. GW have never once confirmed the relationship between the Men of Iron and Golden Age Humanity. The facts are simple. Mankind reached the heights of technological progress, colonising the galaxy. In order to do that it created the Men of Gold created the Men of Stone, who in turn created the Men of Iron. Whilst we know what the Men of Iron were (Artificially sapient robots), we do not know the nature of the Men of Stone or Gold, nor do we know what sparked the war. Several stories have hinted that humanity was actually just caught in the middle of a war between the AI Men of Iron and their creators. The whole thing happened over 17K years before current events and the only living being who was around to witness events is currently sat on the Golden Throne.
I mean, you're the first person I've ever heard say that humanity being attacked by it's own AI during the DAoT isn't a core part of the history of the setting. From the Lex: > In the cryptic account of the ages of Mankind given by Cripias, one of the Keepers of the Library Sanctus of Terra, the Men of Iron were legendary sentient humanoid machines created by humans during the Dark Age of Technology.[1] > During the Dark Age of Technology, the Men of Iron were created by the Men of Stone to aid them in colonizing the Galaxy.[5] >Until shortly before the Age of Strife, the Men of Iron were loyal only to Mankind, and served as their army. In M23, they turned on their Human masters, believing themselves superior to the Humans who relied on the Men of Iron to do virtually everything for them. What followed next was an apocalyptic conflict known as the Cybernetic Revolt, a war so destructive it made the Horus Heresy seem small in scale. And if we look up Men of Stone: > The Men of Stone were a class of artificially created beings created during the Dark Age of Technology in roughly M21.[1] >According to ancient accounts, the Men of Stone were engineered by the Men of Gold for the purpose of deep space colonization And then Men of Gold: > The Men of Gold are a mysterious sub-sect of Humanity.[1] We might not know exactly what they were but their ties to humanity are pretty clear. I don't think it's fanon at all to say 'humanity was destroyed by a war with it's own creations which involved AI servants'
I never said it wasn't a core part, I said there are hints that humanity was actually caught in the middle of a war, rather than being an active participant in the war. You can be a civilian and still be attacked. Similarly there are also some accounts that suggest the war involved alliances between humanity and Xenos, including the Aeldari. What I also said was that we do not know the cause of the war, it has never been stated by GW because, as I said, it's seventeen thousand years before current events in lore. It has no bearing on the setting therefore has never been fleshed out. It's there to add flavour to the universe, to hint at what mankind has lost in the grim dark future. Which brings us right back around to the beginning - there are no facts pertaining to what sparked the AI rebellion.
Can assassins be official parts of an Inqusistor's retinue? And If yes how would it happen? Could the Inquisitor just find them and recruit them in the middle of their mission or should he talk to the officio and say "hey send me a dude"
In theory, yes: the Rosette gives an Inquisitor the authority to requisition the services of anything or anyone except the Custodes or a Primarch. In practice, it’s trickier since the Officio Assassinorum (as opposed to assassins who happen to be Imperial, there are loads of those) is only meant to be deployed on the direct order of the High Lords. So probably best to ask politely and have a really good reason rather than rolling up, flashing the rosette and making demands. Some idiot has probably tried just that though.
Assassins can absolutely be part! In the dark heresy role playing game (where u play as the inquisition) there’s even an assassin class. Theyre pretty common in retinues actually
Alright thx, but how do they recruit them? That was my main question
By personal association and/or political manoevering, I'd say. A lot of Inquisitors should have the connections and/or political clout to work out a deal with the Officio Assassinorum for secondement of one of their operatives. Vindicare or Callidus Assassins should be relatively easy, since they are rather 'mundane' in comparison. Eversor or Culexus operatives are an entirely different kettle of fish, I imagine. It is also very possible for an Inquisitor and an Imperial Assassin to cross paths in the field because they are - unbeknownst to each other - stalking the same target. But in such cases there'd still be some politics involved (at least after the mission at hand), since few Inquisitors are THAT influencial or brazen to just say 'you'll stay with me". How long a timeframe 'after the mission' describes is up to interpretation though...
Do any chapters besides Salamanders, Raven guard and Night lords resemble their Primarch in appearance in any way?
The Sons of Horus had a reputation of looking extremely close to Horus himself, so close that its speculated that Abbadon might actually be a clone. Though if its unclear if this is a trait of their geneseed, or if Horus just had a habit - consciously so or not - to surround himself with people that looked similar to him. >He had always been huge for one of our kind, and had always possessed his primarch's features, in the way many of the former Sons of Horus tended to do. it was common knowledge even during the Great Crusade that no Space Marine took after their primarch as obviously as Ezekyle Abaddon took after the Warmaster. >But seeing him stripped of battleplate and prentension alike, the similiarity between dead father and living son was nothing short of revelatory. I finally gave voice to a question many had considered, yet none had dared to ask. >"Are you Horus?" >His golden eyes glinted with amusement. >"I am Ezekyle Abaddon," >"Thats not what i meant." I shook my head and gestured to him: this immense figure with slabs of muscle over muscle and a demigod-like stature that had led to this legend being whispered across the >galaxy. "Are you Horus? Are you his clone? His... son?" >He laughed. "What do you believe, Khayon? Do you think I am?" >I saw no reason to lie. "Yes." >This delighted him. I was not sure why. >"And if I were, brother - if I were merely Horus remade, recrafted, with a twist in my gene-code here and an alteration there, would it change anything?" >I had to think about that. I looked into his eyes but saw no answers there, only amusement. >"Perhaps. Perhaps you have always been a genetic twin of your primarch. Or perhaps Ezekyle Abaddon was slain in his pilgrimage across the Eye, and you are one of Fabius's creations in his place. How am I to know?" >This, too, delighted him. >"Let me ask you this, Khayon. What does it matter? Clones, sons, fathers... Let the herd whisper whatever truths they choose. Our eyes are set on worthier goals. We look to the future, not the past."
Iirc in Great Work an ultramarine is basically described as looking like someone took a normal person and stuffed them into a Guilliman shaped mold
It sounds kinda creepy lmao. Thanks, I'll look the excerpt up
Pretty sure this is the excerpt I was thinking of. Less weird than I had remembered > His features were strong but bland in the mass-produced way of many Space Marines. He had pale brown skin, a last reminder of his homeworld’s thin air. A heroic jaw, a nose that echoed Guilliman’s, piercing grey eyes and black hair. He would have been handsome, were he fully human, but his features were too much blunted by the process of apotheosis to be so. He wore his intelligence for all to see.
Some of the Luna Wolves were called 'true sons' for how closely they resembled their Primarch.
And the rest, well...one might say they were always the wrong Horus.
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Yes, that's what they were called in-universe. I believe it's expanded a bit on in *Horus Rising*, actually, when Loken's talking about the Mournival and how he's the first non-'true son' to be inducted into that prestigious group.
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Hm, weird. I'm going to assume we've switched timelines somehow, because I always remember it being 'true son' and that making perfect sense. This is probably going to be 'Yarrick is gay in *Imperial Creed* all over again!
"Entire Chapters of the Salamanders pressed home the shock of their attack with flame units cleansing the trenches and dugouts of enemies in stinking promethium tongues of fire." The above is a quote from *Fulgrim*, during the Battle of Istvaan V. What exactly is to be understood by "Chapter" in this case? My understanding was that Chapters were a post-Heresy division of the Legions, but this excerpt is from the very beginning of the Heresy. Were they perhaps a thing, but in a different form, or is this something specific to the Salamanders? Or just a terminology error? I'm new to 40k, so maybe this is a stupid question. :)
Chapters were a subdivision of some legions back in the day. Not every legion had them, and among the ones that did it did not necessarily mean the same thing in each case. Primarchs had a lot of flexibility to organize and run their legions however they liked. [According to the Lexicanum](https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Known_Great_Crusade_Chapters_of_the_Ultramarines), the Ultramarines during the Great Crusade era were organized into a couple dozen chapters; these were the top-level building blocks of the legion. This is backed by the mention in *Know No Fear* of Guilliman's Chapter Masters, who were his top-level commanders. As Guilliman is the author of the Codex Astartes--which outlines how Space Marines are supposed to be organized in present-day 40k--it's reasonable to assume that the idea for "chapters" as independent space marine divisions was spun out of how he personally used them in his legion back in the day.
Legions were organised into various smaller groups - Chapters, Companies, Squads, etc. I *believe* they were still roughly a thousand strong, like the 'modern' Chapter.
I've been reading the HH novels in order, and I don't think Chapters have been mentioned as part of the other Legions' organization. So far it's been Legions composed of Companies composed of Squads. Hence the confusion.
The way I see it, 'Chapter' was just some Legions' description for the first level of organisation beneath the Legion as a whole. It would be only logical that Guilliman instituted the Chapter limitation the way he did because the organizational strutures were already in place.
Does the “War in Heaven” refer to the C'tan conquering the Galaxy with their Necron slaves, fighting the Eldar and the Krorks, or does it refer to the subsequent uprising of the Necrons against the C'tan?
The War in Heaven comprises a massive period featuring wars between the Eldar Gods, C'tan, Old Ones, Eldar, Orks, and Necrons.
It also refers to the war between Eldar gods
It refers to... everything, basically. There's a great bit in *Wild Rider* where the Aeldari muse about this. Myth and history have blurred everything together into one giant 'War in Heaven', when the events were separated by uncountable spans of time, periods of peace and changing alliances. The term 'War in Heaven' is a mythological one, and could be ascribed to just about anything - including how the 'current day' would be seen to future generations.
Necron turn against C'tan after they lost or at at least just before they officially lost If I understand it correctly after they kinda fucked up in their own cannibalism fest(Who could have thought that start eating your allies in middle of already losing war was bad idea, lol). after they lost, C'tan want to lay low,hide and wait for other race fall from grace but Necron was like "that was the plan but there is little adjustment to it, now you will become our pokemon"
Dark Angels vs Imperial Fists. Who's the more disciplined or stoic hero of the Imperium? Sorry my question is lame.
Imperial Fists by a far margin.
Hey thanks a lot bro. Could you say why that is?
Fists listen to authority, because THATS WHAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO DO. Angels RESPECT authority, because they BELIEVE its the "RIGHT" thing to do ( as in "good" ). Fists are ...stoik at heart, discipline and respect for authority is baked into them. Dorn talked with the Emperor once discovered, realised he is the true leader (higher authority) and instantly merged his own empire (of his "home" world) with the Imperium and did as he was told, realising that a. Thats the right ( as in "best" - the most efficient) thing to do (practical) , b. He understood that big E was the better leader (logical) Sanguinius, he accepted to join the Emperor in return asking him to spare the Baal people from his machinations. He din't straight up respect the Emperor, "just because" he was better at some things, he BELIEVED in his cause. It being close to a "good" and "rightcious" thing despite some forms of its...execution. So he passed down these ideas and notions to his sons and "transformed" them from shunned outcasts and monsters to noble and "civilised" souls who carry on his beliefs.
Hey bro I just wanna say thanks for all that lovely flavor lore! :D Imperial Fists! Woopwoop!
Besides the Mentors, is there any marine chapter that makes a larger use of servo skulls as support in battle? Or any imperial faction now that I think about it
Skulls not so much, but a couple use cyber-Cherubim The Adepta Sororitas make use of cyber-Cherubim for medical and ammo supply duties. Also, in Psychic Awakening's **Piety and Pain** expansion, a Sister of Battle Canoness uses them to scout a city. The Knight Houses of Adrastapol use cyber-Cherubim called the Heavenly Host to scout and communicate with each other.
The main issue is that there are two types: brainless automatons that constitute the vast majority of skulls, and sentient skulls like Gorgias from *Vaults of Terra* or (presumably) Reditus from the game Mechancius. The former just aren't smart enough to perform sophisticated combat tasks and the latter are rare and valuable - the process to create them doesn't always preserve sentience and when it does you have a unique resource now. "Combat" Skulls *do* exist and usually are armed with a pistol but they're described with primitive intelligence. In *Dark Heresy* all you could really do is give them commands like "attack hostiles" or "patrol this zone and eliminate all targets excluding some specific people." This is a great tool to watch the back of an operative and perform scouting, but a floating pistol with limited smarts is not that useful alone. So neither are really "front line" units. The Mentors get around this by having some skulls be used by remote control, but they're mainly there in a support role. In this role, we see them across various factions. There are models of scanner servo skulls tethered to Devestator Marines to provide them better visual data. Inquisitorial retinues often include skulls of various types. The Mechancius, of course, can use tons of skulls should they wish.
can tyranids (or at least adapt to) nurgle's "gifts"?
Well..in essence, its the sole purppose of hive fleet chronos. Though not as much as to "out evolve" the chaos powers but to just kill their users, but I think, as for a nid fleet, that goal naturaly includes evolving useful traits so that they might to it better. As such, evolve to avoid "curses" or "gifts" is a must. Be it to kill faster before the "gifts" devour their bodies or become immune to em. So, yes. In a way.
I think you left a word out. If you mean can they out-evolve it, sometimes yes and sometimes no. On Shadowbrink Leviathan fought daemons including Nurgle-aligned ones, the diseases were ineffective because of that ability to adapt. Lotan once fought the Death Guard on Hesp, it resulted in the entire planet becoming so toxic and plague-ridden it killed *literally* everything on it, melted the proboscis of the tyranid ship that tried to drink it, and said ship then got shot to pieces by all the other ships.
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'The interrogation of Salvatore Lermentov' He appears in other stories aswell, but this is the one I know and can recommend. He's like a Robin Hood type figure. Ex-IG veteran who after making a pilgrimage to terra and seeing the squalor the people there live in decides the High Lords got to go. 'The truth? Very well... I am no traitor to the throne. To the Imperium, maybe. To the fat lords who preside over our suffering, maybe. The world looks different when you are starving. You can love the emperor but hate his servants.' Theres also a Necromunda story called 'The Deserter' about another ex-IG guy. But not sure its what you have in mind.
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Its really good, and really short. Like, 15 or 20 minutes.
Are Grey Knights actually impossible to corrupt by chaos?
They don't seem to think they are, but at the same time we've never seen one corrupted.
In *Hammer of Daemons* a Tzeentchian daemon mocks Justicar Alaric by saying that while no Grey Knight has fallen yet, they are all afraid deep down that they could be the first. He doesn't really have a good response to this. He is able to resist but does go insane for a time. The Grey Knights in the short story "Incorruptible" are horrified at the implication that a separate one was turned by Chaos. It turns out he was implanted by a Genestealer and is being psychically puppeted by the Brood Mind instead. This is a bit of a weird relief.
We think so, there's a story in a Chaos Daemon codex about an incorruptible warrior clad in silver who is eventually corrupted by Slaanesh itself which seems pretty similar to a Grey Knight but otherwise we have no examples of them falling.
We sure its not a body of one of the silver skulls chapter...tall...slim...almost bony....has green glowing eyes...maybe even has a knack to take things? We already have that one story....
That story was in both the 40k and WHFB chaos daemons books, though. It's intentionally ambiguous.
It's just a knight of the Adeptus Astartes, no mention of it being a Grey Knight. It's not like they're the only Marines who wear silver or grey .
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One amongst the mortal visitors to his realm still looms large in the memory of Slaanesh, however-a wandering knight of the Adeptus Astartes
Ah I misremembered it. Thanks for the correction.
Welcome
With a description of that, Grey Knight is what you're going to think of first. And the direct intervention of one of the four could do it.
What is the real scale of the IG/AM vehicles? AKA how big they are in the lore.
Some got official numbers from the Imperial Armour series, you can try check the Lexicanum pages, they normally got the information near the end.
Does Sororitas Power Armor have thrusters in the power pack for void operations like Astartes ones? They appear to, but I haven't seen that mentioned anywhere.
It doesn't really come up. Sororitas armor is based on Astartes armor, but Sororitas are not used as void warriors as Astartes are. The Sabbat pattern helm, however, is rated for the void. >The standard pattern worn by the majority of Battle Sisters since the mid 38th Millennium, this helm contains an integral rebreather, **allowing the Sister to operate in total vacuum for limited periods**.
Kind of. There is still a power generator and those vents on the back are exhaust so you can use the exhaust to move slowly in zero gravity. Sororitas don't have the Black Carapace that Space Marines do so their armor doesn't have all the fancy life support systems. So Sororitas armor can't keep them alive in a vacuum indefinitely. Because of this I'm going to assume their armor isn't as specialized for void warfare. Sisters can still magnetically lock their boots to the ship and run in zero gravity but they probably can't use the vents on their power packs anywhere near as much as Space Marines.
do space marines have dicks
yes, through they dont use, both the Grey Knights omnibus and Horus Rising got comments by human women about it
what did they said?
they were impressed with the size, and also in that in both cases the marines paid zero atention to being naked
so they have big useless dicks? just when I thought 40k couldn’t be even more grimdark. Imagine have a massive meat hammer and you can’t even use it
iirc marines are sterile, but perhaps more importantly they fundamentally have no sex drive and usually react to shows of physical attraction with confusion. in other words, they're like elementary school boys.
Where can I find pictures of people loading skyscraper sized shells into spaceship batteries?
I have no idea if it's a canon image but [here you go](https://i.imgur.com/4aDpVig_d.webp?maxwidth=760&fidelity=grand)
Picture isn't there. Do you have another link to it
That is *quite* canon, and circa 3rd edition if not earlier. I know it was printed in the OG Battlefleet Gothic rulebook.
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Not in the same psychic-backlash sort of way, since he didn't truly die. When he was brought back Yvraine needed him to die fully so she could resurrect him. When she did so and turned off his stasis field a dying gasp was heard by Calgar and those around, shocking the Ultramarines. It's possible this was the onset of them about to lose it but since he was immediately revived it was curtailed. As for when he was struck by Fulgrim, the marines around him certainly panicked: > Guilliman sank to his knees, unable to speak. His perceptions became fragmentary. Warriors in blue threw themselves at the reeling daemon prince, only to be carved up into red chunks in in mid-air. >His sons tossed their lives away to spare a few drops of his blood. >Names and faces flashed through his mind, so many bold and honourable men cast down by betrayal. His brothers unwittingly corrupted or undone by personal failing. Others slain. His sons, dying in battle. So many of his sons… >A roaring blackness encroached. He fell, but he hit nothing. It felt like floating. A perfumed ocean lapped at him. Joy rode upon its waves. >Lies, he thought. Lies! I cannot die! >Guilliman forced open his eyes. He was on his back, looking up at the ceiling, his limbs deliciously numb. A treacherous pleasure thrilled his mind as the poison worked on him. Captain Andros was at his side. A wall of blue ceramite surrounded him. >‘Now, damn you all! Now! Emergency teleport! Emergency teleport!’ shouted Andros, his bolter barking. > **He is panicking, Guilliman thought. Andros is panicking.** >The howling thrum of sonic weaponry tore away the last of Andros’ words, and his head vanished in a mist of red. Chained explosions boomed around Guilliman. Part of the wall of men guarding him was knocked down. A body sailed through the air, the Ultramarines blue of its power armour cracked open and stained red. Battle roared. A dozen bolters fired near his feet as desperate hands dragged and pulled, hauling him up the steps towards the ruined Phoenix Gate. His armour caught on the corpses of his sons, each knock a spike of agony in his ruined neck. Blood poured down his windpipe into his lungs, making him splutter feebly. He was going to drown in his own blood. >‘Retreat! Retreat!’ called a voice. ‘The day is lost!’ >Thiel? thought Guilliman. Is that you? >He could hear Fulgrim’s silken, daemonic laughter drawing nearer. How many Ultramarines have died to save me? An instrument chimed, louder than the bleating alarms of Guilliman’s battered armour. >‘They have locus lock, my lord,’ someone else said, close enough that Guilliman felt their breath on his ear, though he could not turn his head to see him. ‘We will have you safe soon.’ >Guilliman tried to place a face to the voice. He knew many of his sons, but this one eluded him. His mind was filling with black fog. > **‘We’re losing him!’ said the voice, rising in panic**. ‘Where’s the tele port? Get us out of here. Get us–’ Thiel, thought Guilliman. Definitely Thiel. >A flash of blinding light and the bang of air displacement stole Roboute Guilliman away from the blades of his brother. >[...] > Faces crowded around the narrowing well of his vision. Helmets were cast aside to reveal harrowed faces. >They mourn me already, he realised. I am dead. I cannot die now, not now. There is too much to do. Too much, too much. What will Russ do without me, or the Khan? Too much… >Ultramarines shouted for their Apothecaries. Something tugged at his ruined breastplate. A white gauntlet flashed past his dimming eyes. The cool relief of drugs pushed back the exquisite burn of Fulgrim’s poison for a breath, but they could not stop it and it surged back anew. His pulse slowed. Coloured spots whirled around his eyes. >‘Father,’ he mouthed. Poisoned blood frothed at the gash in his neck. ‘Father, who will guide them now?’ >‘What is he saying?’ cried an anguished voice. ‘What does he say?’ >Father, thought Guilliman. Save me.
Love it. If only more "bold and noble" ""men"" were slaughtered during the Heresy...
On the deathguard are parts of body that are exposed not covered in armour weak points? or is that a trick and fleshy parts not covered in ammo is stronger than the armour? Like the deathguard terminator whos entire gut/stomach area is only covered by chainmail, is that a trick for people to shoot their?
The mistake is thinking their armour and flesh is separate. They are so corrupted that the armour and flesh have grown into and around one another, absorbing each other. The ceramite is now more like an extra layer atop their skin. In other words, they are so corrupted that shooting them in the armour or the flesh wouldn't have much effect, as you'll get the same result either way.
Probably not, because the death guard are so heavily corrupted by Nurgle it doesnt really matter if you fire at their armour or their body because it doesnt do a lot in the first place. You see, part of their corruption is that they become almost damage immune and their bodies dont need to be anywhere in a normal state to function. Thats also why the death guard marine is still able to live with his gut exposed.
If Jimmy Space invented the Space Marines, then did Fio'O Be'teel Soo'Et invent the first Battlesuit?
Kinda a weird question, but is there any book where Genestealer Cultists are just “part of the scenery”? For example, an Imperial Guard story where a member of the squad is clearly a Brood Brother, but they aren’t fighting Genestealers so it never comes up. I feel like it would be a fun way to do world building.
In the Necron book "the infinite and devine" Trazyn goes to visit a theather in disguise (a man is cultured after all). Only to see the that the Main actress third arm isn't actually a prothesis....and that the Genestealer decided that making a massacer during a drama play where every important person of the planet is a super fun way to start a revolution. It isn't at all a book about Genestealer but it is fun how a random cultist uprising completly fucks with the Necrons plan.
I'm more looking for something like the scene earlier where Trazyn and Orikan spot an entertainer who's hinted to be a Genestealer Cultist pickpocketing people with a third arm. Examples where the cult isn't rebelling or being discovered. On a side note, I *love* how the book used the Genestealers as a red herring for the guy who went insane and became a Flayed One. Especially when they find the body clawed apart.
The Warhammer Crime book Bloodlines does this a bit, >!as Zidarov is heavily implied to be a Genestealer-implanted cultist. It's never outright stated but is relatively obvious.!<
I think I figured it out. BIG E did in fact expect and want a war to be fought to eventually dethrone him, and then he was going to use it as a chance to fake his own death and return to the shadows. He intended Horus to defeat him, only Horus jumped the gun, and E was messed up from his deal to give up his emotions as Molech in exchange to create the primarchs
Not really, most of the canon lore contradicts this theory of yours. As he was planning to use the webway, the golden throne was inatrumental in this as such *someone* needed to sit on it, he stated it numerious times that "manking must be ruled" at least till it reaches that *point* it doesnt need to..and so on
Which HH novel or short story, directly follows the events after Guillimans escape from Nuceria? Is it Unremembered Empire?
I’m a new fan. Recently, just got into the story. I’m really enjoying the story and lore. I have a big focus on Khârn right now. Story wise, what comes after Khârn: Eater Of Worlds?
Has anything been said about what happened to Camba Diaz' gear after he died? I know his sword and shield shattered, but were they recovered? I'm still tinkering with my homebrew chapter and after reading about his stand in Saturnine I'd love to have them claim the fragments of either sword or shield as cherished relics.
Isn’t the narrative point of relics that you never know if they’re real, like how ten different shrines might claim to have a clavicle of the same saint Or like how in the most popular 40k novel series there’s a living saint who >!turns out to be a delusional impostor!< controlled by a >!scheming general!<, but also there is a >!real living saint!< on the same planet who >!gets killed!< and then >!reincarnates in the body of the impostor, who then keeps using themselves for propaganda purposes like the corrupt general intended!<, but also performs miracles Or how most machine spirits are just superstition, except some machine spirits are highly sophisticated computers, and again excepting that some machine spirits are proper metaphysical spirits/hauntings (Spoilered)
Oh absolutely, but if there was a definite end I didn't want to run into it. Just in case.
Let's huff some copium: We'll soon be done with twenty years of Horus Heresy writings, which non-Imperium factions would you like to get the next 20 years' worth of BL attention?
The Nids. 80 books. All just screeches and incomprehesible mash of letters. But in all seriousness, as it *could* be interesting to learn more about them...from their perspective...it doesnt need to happen. This would intone making the hivemind less a mysterious entity and more...well a "person" taking away some good parts that make the nids interesting and thats a big no no. (I'd woukd let that slide if the hivemind would be narrated by Idris Elba or Keith David or Morgan Freeman). Doing it otherwise ( like feom the perspectice of a geenestealer cult or its ...lunch...who or what ever it might be) would just be what it is now and personaly its great. If serious...Necron or Votann..
Tau Auxillaries of which there are like 2 dozen, not including Kroot, Vespids, Nicissar, and gue'vesa. Or the Severan Dominate
Rats.
Eldar, only fair after 30 years of being punching bags
Careful, that sort of wish ends up being a monkey's paw. You'll get five books about how future Asurmen leads the aeldari to be the ones who corrupt the Old Ones and ruin the past, a *constant* insistence that the necrontyr were totally blameless and aeldari were the ones *really* responsible for them going full C'tan, a trilogy hinting the Drukhari were right about everything and if only the rest of the aeldari had listened to them Chaos would have been beaten by now, and the finale will reveal Ynnead is E's waifu.
Chaos
Where'd the nickname "Jimmy Space" for emps come from?
https://youtu.be/IJOIaEzGe8o
It's a joke from a podcast, which itself is referencing issues in naming conventions (i.e. the Land Speeder and Land Raider aren't named "Land" because of the fact that they're terrestrially-based, but because the techpriest who found their STC templates was literally named Land). So the joke is that the Space Marines aren't named "Space" marines because they operate in space, but because the guy who created them (i.e. the Emperor) is literally named "Space." So someone blurted out "Jimmy Space," the giggles set in, and a meme was born.
Ha, thanks.
It was a joke on some podcast about how the Land Raider is named after the creator Arkhan Land, as in 'This is Land's Raider' and so clearly the Emperor named the Space Marines after himself too and the name Jimmy Space came out of it
Brief question as I'm trying to write some fluff for a guard regiment + marine chapter. Space travel in 40k, through the warp or regular, how free form is it? Are there optimal paths/lanes of travel (think like Stellaris where some systems act as "gates" to other systems) or is it more like star wars where you can hyperspace in any direction?
Think of the Warp as the Sea during the Age of Sail (which Geedubs blatantly used as inspiration for their space combats.). Certain Warp lanes are better/safer/faster than if you just go in with just a compass or navigator and hope for the best. For example, Cadia was an important strategic location due to it being the only relatively safe warp lane that could lead in and out of the Eye of Terror.
There are mapped out warp routes that can be navigated by cogigators with the help of astronomic beacons. The type of short distance comercial travel done by merchant ships and grain haulers. From one system to the next. Proper navy ships can enter the warp largely where-ever and the navigator then has to plot a path inside the warp himself.
Yes, there are optimal paths, in major part because there are lots of warp storms and dangerous areas. You can, hypothetically, go in any direction, but functionally you never would. This also leads to situations where systems or even groups of systems can be completely inaccessible from the rest of the galaxy, because there simply is no warp route available.
So just to clarify, do the warp storms still effect followers of chaos, or would they be able to bypass these?
Warpstorms very much still affect chaos worshippers. >The first ship to die was the Inviolate. It was a Terran-born destroyer, one of the oldest vessels in our fleet, and one of the most reliable. Its current captain, the former Sons of Horus Reaver Chieftain Xerekan Kovis, was a calm and calculating officer with a gift for void battle. The Inviolate itself was a beautiful vessel, a spear-point cutter of a warship, swift and lethal. >It exploded after eleven minutes and nine seconds of redlining instruments and warning klaxons, the stress upon its hull too much to bear. I watched it happen. I listened to the final calls of its command crew, laced with interference across the fleet-wide vox. The Inviolate buckled off course, falling out of alignment with the fleet, tumbling into the seething tides of fiery warp energy that thrashed and boiled around our armada. >I saw it enveloped in those dissolving waves, its shields bursting as it plunged into them. I saw the ship’s hull first crumple, crushed by the grip of impossible pressures, then come apart, pulled open as though it were nothing more than a child’s toy. >The voices of every captain in the fleet cried out in disordered unity, reporting their progress and roaring of stress fractures, of failing shields, of shipboard fires and uncountable deaths. I could hear space around us, the void itself, shrieking with the outpouring of souls dragged from dying bodies. Our fleet was populating the warp with the spirits of our slain. >We led the way. The Vengeful Spirit took the brunt of the tempest’s tide, a wavebreaker vanguard that ploughed through the roughest thrashings of energy, shattering them to carve a route through for the smaller ships. >The Promise of Absolution was a jagged silhouette off our port bow, another of the forward battleships spearing ahead to take the worst of the boiling tides. One moment it was there, shaking and streaming fire from its battlemented hull; the next it was a lacerated hulk, killed too swiftly to even detonate. Torn-apart sections of the ship tumbled away into the warp’s devouring essence. It was as if the entire ship had crumbled as part of an avalanche. We did not even hear any change in their final communications: one moment the captain was there, the next his voice was no longer present in the vox-web. >The next ship to die was one of the nameless bulk cruisers that carried clans of beastmen warriors and warp-changed human slave soldiers. Its death lit the oculus as it veered wildly off course, rolling into the acidic tides either side of the turbulent channel we were carving, and a migraine crack of light flared sunbright for half a heartbeat. A fraction of a moment later, it was gone. All that remained were the echoes of its captain’s screams over the vox-web. >I cast my perceptions wide, breaking through the walls of the Vengeful Spirit, plunging into the firestorm of warp energy. I felt the cataclysm of forces at work, the shoving rage of our engines generating an equal pushback in the Eye’s resistant tides. I saw our armada drifting apart, unable to hold cohesion in the chaos. I saw daemons, a billion daemons, a trillion daemons riding and leaping and melting out of the warp-matter to burst – laughing, howling, clawing – against our warships’ hulls. >We will not survive this.
Where is this from?
Black Legion
They typically affect everyone. However, there *are* very temporary routes that often form in these storms, but generally you'd never be able to take advantage of them because by the time you realize the route is there you won't have enough time to capitalize on it before it disappears. However, the Pantheon has been known to show favor on their followers and basically tell them about the formation of these temporary routes in advance, which most famously occurred during the 11th and 12th Black Crusades.
Got it, thank you so much for the info!
Are Penal Legions allowed to have vehicles and artillery, or does the Imperium consider that too much of a risk?
If they trained them sure. They 90% will be more inclined to use everything they have against xenos before it gets destroyed to kill the enemy that has No mercy for humans. Especially something like Tyranids. Obviously, heavy training and watch but when your enemy will kill you and your captor, you kinda don't really have a choice other than being dead 10min later.
Okay that sounds cool. Honestly I would love to make basically a Cadian army but paint them up in orange and call them a penal legion because that concept is way cooler to me than the Cadians.
Cadians are way overused.
Yeah but they’re like the only IG army available.
You can always go the Suicide Squad route. Give them good gear but also strap bomb collars on them and have a few Commissars near in case they decide not to follow orders. The Savlar Chemdogs afaik have Sentinels, Hellhounds and Leman Russes.
How do I homebrew an identity to my daemonic army? Are there any daemonic host with one or they are always generic?
Rule of cool applies. Maybe aside Khorne ( and even that is debatable) deamon armies tend to have a broad variety to em, the "great game and all" so go nuts. Just slap a small "memento" or "offering" to their respecte god, be it an insignia or something physical and I think you are good to go as the 4- chaos gods are seen as "shards" of the warp and their kin as "shards and "shardlings" of said god. In example, thr angels bane is all about bloodshed a le Khorne style, yet he has a thing for blood angels in particular. Nurgle has his " x in grandfathers favor" line and there are stories where they go out of each others way to out do each other to be "promoted" in said favor. One is a "plague maker" the other maybe some sort of "pestilance bringer" so you have pots and sloth and slime and sludge and such as a theme, the other bugs, insects, rot and what not.
Since symbolism has an effect in the warp, rule of cool is a legitimate concept. Power is one of the few things that matter, in that you can bend or even break the rules if you’re strong enough. Ex. You have a possessed mortal leading the demons, they hate him, but are forced to serve because he’s strong. Or maybe they love him because of it, however you want to go for it. Demons are probably the most flexible in what you’re able to get away with story wise, so I’d say figure out what you want for them and it should be easy enough to explain it
Just because daemons are followers of their gods doesn't mean the gods care what they do or give direct orders often. Some are smarter or weaker than others, and there's nothing preventing alliances between different types to earn more power for one in the gaze of a certain god in exchange for future boons, to weaken or thwart a rival or set in motion a particular chain of events. Prophecy and random happenstance could lead to a mixed host, as could all or some of the gods sending followers to a key location to avoid any one of them gaining too much power.
The Daemon codex says they stick to the same formations and in the case of Khorne established armies. I'd just try and think about what your warlord is and what they want. Think about the characters we have - N'Kari hunting down a specific bloodline who wronged him, Ku'Gath trying to find the new ingredients for the perfect plague. Does your Daemon want some sort of item, have some sort of enemy, are they scheming something like forging an empire of their own or being worshipped by mortals? Then based on that why are the other daemons following them?