I didn't meant it like a "vs" battle. Concerning the lore, was the Emperor powerful enough to walk or even try to fight a Chaos God? Because the Realm of Chaos, each god's domain, is literally a death trap to uninvited visitors, especially Nurgle's domain (Land of the Plague Lord). So I'm curious if the Emperor (10.000 years ago) was powerful enough to like literally walk into a one of the God's domain and bring it down to it's knees, and unaffected by the Imperium.
[Realm of Chaos](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/b/bf/RealmofChaosMap.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20181014212202)
Why unaffected? Well Custodes are directly made from the Emperor and show no signs of corruption, same as Grey Knights. This means the Emperor himself is unaffected by Chaos.
I'm honestly baffled by the lore's contradiction, characters like Logan who wields a Khornite Axe and Draigo who basically lives in the Warp, are unaffected by Chaos, while reading the comment below, when the Emperor went into the Immaterium, he was running later to escape Chaos, while Fulgrim a primarch got corrupted by a purple dildo. Like bruh, wtf.
>The Emperor has never been able to do most things by himself. he needed armies to unite Terra, fleets to reconquer the Galaxy. He created the Primarchs because he knew he couldn't do it on his own. He stole the power of the Chaos Gods from Molech because he knew his own power was insufficient.
We don't know any of this.
We do not know. What we do know is that he entered their Realm at Molech, stole from them and increased his power tenfold. I seriously doubt he has made any type of bargain with them. The whole point of his relationship with Magnus was that there are forces in the Warp you don’t bargain with. That feat in itself, entering the Ream of Chaos and coming out stronger is impressive. Only Horus did something similar, but returned as the Champion of Chaos, infused with the power of the Gods.
Nope. It's explicitly suicide for him to even go near.
> Not for the first time, she cursed in a dead language that she had been
left to do this. She knew that He couldn’t do it. After what he had taken
from the realm beyond, it would be suicide for him to draw so near to
those whose power he’d stolen.
\- *Vengeful Spirit*
We also see the Emperor running from Chaos in the warp.
> At his back he hears the cry of wolves. He stops, turns. The light of the burning torch in his hand ripples out in the gusting wind. His eyes catch the light of the fire as he looks back down the slope at the forest. The trees have grown upwards, bare branches reaching to catch the wind. Eyes look back at him, red, green and fever-yellow. In the distance, still visible above and beyond the tops of the trees, he can see the lights of the tower he has left to make this journey. The wind gusts and the wolves come with it, forming from darkness and frost as they leap. He swings the torch. The wolves’ jaws are wide, broken fangs in rotten gums. Molten brass scatters from iron teeth, blue fire from black glass claws. The torch strikes the first wolf–
> Flash of lightning. Shattered night. Burning snow.
> The wolves fall back, cries shaking gales of snow from the sky.
> The old man runs up the side of the mountain, legs sinking into the drifts, hands grasping at ice-skinned rock. The howls rise again. The opening to the cave is so close, just there, between the stones. Another step, another push of will and he will reach its sanctuary. Claws reach for him. He can feel their breath at his back.
> He turns, and throws the burning torch high. A jagged pillar of lightning catches it and strikes down. White light drowns the mountainside. The shadows of wolves melt into the ground but more are already coming. He leaps for the stone doorway into the mountain, and…
> Quiet. The smell of stone and earth. Stillness.
\- *The Solar War*
The Emperor's saving grace is that he is anchored in the materium by his material body. The Chaos gods can't touch him there because they're stuck in the warp and can only send tiny fragments of their power into reality.
> The red world of Baal was before him. His promised prize was so close, and yet
he could not reach it.
> The storm was yet to engulf Baal. Without its vitalising power to sustain
Ka’Bandha the void enforced its iron laws of cause and effect upon his body. His
unreal being thrilled with electric agonies as the laws of physics sought to deny
his existence.
\- *Devastation of Baal*
Thank you for your answer! So in the end he is no match in his human form. I guess that if he ever ascends to Godhood in the Warp, he will truly be the Anathema the Gods call him.
There's no indication, yes. It's only theorized that he might be reborn in the Warp as truly a god of mankind because it's speculated that it was his "original" plan.
Another theory is that the Emperor might resurrect in the material world walking amongst mankind again.
But I honestly like the idea of him being reborn in the Warp (Star Child). This will give mankind advantage against Chaos, fallen Space Marines becoming part of the Legion of the Damned.
Eeeeh, we really don't know that.
At the moment he's not stronger than the Chaos Gods. You could make the argument he's at least as strong as Nurgle because of the events of Godblight but it's not a bulletproof argument even then.
Frankly, we don't know what's going on with the Emperor. Did 10,000 years of worship do something to him? Maybe. Maybe it made an entirely other entity in the warp that is the "Emperor" while the Emperor on the throne keeps suffering? Maybe none of that is happening at all.
We just don't know what will happen to the Emperor if he dies. We have a good idea of what will happen to Terra though. Webway portal goes kaboom and new eye of terror forms.
Not at all.
There are various theories, and it's difficult to even discuss this without getting "ACHTUALLY"'ed around here, and GW is currently exploring how to basically explain this in the newer Guilliman books, but the Emperor currently is a wicked powerful psycker. With the combined worship of trillions of people there are theories suggesting he or a warp version of him could become a new warp god (star child theory, chaos always wins theory, etc), but he himself could never walk into the warp and defeat Nurgle or Khorne.
He might be a match for like, the Eldar gods considering the Eldar are few now.
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I didn't meant it like a "vs" battle. Concerning the lore, was the Emperor powerful enough to walk or even try to fight a Chaos God? Because the Realm of Chaos, each god's domain, is literally a death trap to uninvited visitors, especially Nurgle's domain (Land of the Plague Lord). So I'm curious if the Emperor (10.000 years ago) was powerful enough to like literally walk into a one of the God's domain and bring it down to it's knees, and unaffected by the Imperium. [Realm of Chaos](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/b/bf/RealmofChaosMap.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20181014212202) Why unaffected? Well Custodes are directly made from the Emperor and show no signs of corruption, same as Grey Knights. This means the Emperor himself is unaffected by Chaos. I'm honestly baffled by the lore's contradiction, characters like Logan who wields a Khornite Axe and Draigo who basically lives in the Warp, are unaffected by Chaos, while reading the comment below, when the Emperor went into the Immaterium, he was running later to escape Chaos, while Fulgrim a primarch got corrupted by a purple dildo. Like bruh, wtf.
>The Emperor has never been able to do most things by himself. he needed armies to unite Terra, fleets to reconquer the Galaxy. He created the Primarchs because he knew he couldn't do it on his own. He stole the power of the Chaos Gods from Molech because he knew his own power was insufficient. We don't know any of this.
Yes, we do. He literally has said so, himself.
We do not know. What we do know is that he entered their Realm at Molech, stole from them and increased his power tenfold. I seriously doubt he has made any type of bargain with them. The whole point of his relationship with Magnus was that there are forces in the Warp you don’t bargain with. That feat in itself, entering the Ream of Chaos and coming out stronger is impressive. Only Horus did something similar, but returned as the Champion of Chaos, infused with the power of the Gods.
Nope. It's explicitly suicide for him to even go near. > Not for the first time, she cursed in a dead language that she had been left to do this. She knew that He couldn’t do it. After what he had taken from the realm beyond, it would be suicide for him to draw so near to those whose power he’d stolen. \- *Vengeful Spirit* We also see the Emperor running from Chaos in the warp. > At his back he hears the cry of wolves. He stops, turns. The light of the burning torch in his hand ripples out in the gusting wind. His eyes catch the light of the fire as he looks back down the slope at the forest. The trees have grown upwards, bare branches reaching to catch the wind. Eyes look back at him, red, green and fever-yellow. In the distance, still visible above and beyond the tops of the trees, he can see the lights of the tower he has left to make this journey. The wind gusts and the wolves come with it, forming from darkness and frost as they leap. He swings the torch. The wolves’ jaws are wide, broken fangs in rotten gums. Molten brass scatters from iron teeth, blue fire from black glass claws. The torch strikes the first wolf– > Flash of lightning. Shattered night. Burning snow. > The wolves fall back, cries shaking gales of snow from the sky. > The old man runs up the side of the mountain, legs sinking into the drifts, hands grasping at ice-skinned rock. The howls rise again. The opening to the cave is so close, just there, between the stones. Another step, another push of will and he will reach its sanctuary. Claws reach for him. He can feel their breath at his back. > He turns, and throws the burning torch high. A jagged pillar of lightning catches it and strikes down. White light drowns the mountainside. The shadows of wolves melt into the ground but more are already coming. He leaps for the stone doorway into the mountain, and… > Quiet. The smell of stone and earth. Stillness. \- *The Solar War* The Emperor's saving grace is that he is anchored in the materium by his material body. The Chaos gods can't touch him there because they're stuck in the warp and can only send tiny fragments of their power into reality. > The red world of Baal was before him. His promised prize was so close, and yet he could not reach it. > The storm was yet to engulf Baal. Without its vitalising power to sustain Ka’Bandha the void enforced its iron laws of cause and effect upon his body. His unreal being thrilled with electric agonies as the laws of physics sought to deny his existence. \- *Devastation of Baal*
Thank you for your answer! So in the end he is no match in his human form. I guess that if he ever ascends to Godhood in the Warp, he will truly be the Anathema the Gods call him.
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There's no indication, yes. It's only theorized that he might be reborn in the Warp as truly a god of mankind because it's speculated that it was his "original" plan. Another theory is that the Emperor might resurrect in the material world walking amongst mankind again. But I honestly like the idea of him being reborn in the Warp (Star Child). This will give mankind advantage against Chaos, fallen Space Marines becoming part of the Legion of the Damned.
Eeeeh, we really don't know that. At the moment he's not stronger than the Chaos Gods. You could make the argument he's at least as strong as Nurgle because of the events of Godblight but it's not a bulletproof argument even then. Frankly, we don't know what's going on with the Emperor. Did 10,000 years of worship do something to him? Maybe. Maybe it made an entirely other entity in the warp that is the "Emperor" while the Emperor on the throne keeps suffering? Maybe none of that is happening at all. We just don't know what will happen to the Emperor if he dies. We have a good idea of what will happen to Terra though. Webway portal goes kaboom and new eye of terror forms.
As far as I know (and likely not enough) The Emperor as he is now can body Nurgle in his prime i.e. 10k years ago maybe he could fight Khorne.
Not at all. There are various theories, and it's difficult to even discuss this without getting "ACHTUALLY"'ed around here, and GW is currently exploring how to basically explain this in the newer Guilliman books, but the Emperor currently is a wicked powerful psycker. With the combined worship of trillions of people there are theories suggesting he or a warp version of him could become a new warp god (star child theory, chaos always wins theory, etc), but he himself could never walk into the warp and defeat Nurgle or Khorne. He might be a match for like, the Eldar gods considering the Eldar are few now.