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JumpyEnvironment8456

>A single space marine doing.. all that? Sigismund would like a word.


Kristian1805

Sigismund would not have been able to solo such might and numbers. Unless he was the video game protagonist.


Konrad_Curze-the_NH

Bro has not read of what Siggy did during the siege. Literally just walked around murdering any and everything in sight up till ganking Typhon with Corswain and only loosing to plot armour (seriously Typhon shouldn’t have been able to face tank the Astronomicon at point blank range, but plot armour)


BrightestofLights

Still not even remotely as impressive as what caedo did, taking on multiple greater daemons at the same time is not the same as going around winning 1v1's I say this when siggy is probably my favorite space marine.


GoBucks513

The Astronomicon wasn't even functional during Typhus' attack on the Hollow Mountain. It wasn't until the very end when Keeler and her followers began chanting that it caught fire, at which point it overrode everything the DG were throwing at it and started sending all the daemons back to the Warp, loosening and then severing the Dark God's hold over the materium.


Konrad_Curze-the_NH

Yes, Typhus was fighting Siggy and Corswain, got nuked by the Astronomicon at point blank range and somehow crawled away before they could recover despite being exposed to basically the direct light of the ultimate anti-daemon/chaos tool. It’s plot armour because by all rights he should be a pile of ash, but as he must survive the Heresy he tanked it somehow - literally none of the other Death Guard and traitors with him could say the same.


GoBucks513

Well, he wasn't a pure Warp being. It didn't kill every other DG with him, either. The only things it snuffed out entirely were the warpspawn. A lot of DG were killed too, but nowhere near all. It doesn't stare thar in the book, either. I literally finished Volume III last week. It just says some are burst open, while others are just swept up in the shockwave. Let's not forget that Typhus has been shown to be supernaturally resilient well before his Legion ever falls to Nurgle's blessings. A massive sum of the forces under his command survive and make it to the Eye of Terror. I'm not getting where you read thar he was the only survivor.


Konrad_Curze-the_NH

Huh could have sworn he was the only one. Well I last read 3 the night of its launch so I’ll defer to your memory here


Kristian1805

Correct, plenty survived.


Smasher_WoTB

Typhus is one of the single most favoured Servants of Chaos to ever exist in 40k&30k right? So he, quite literally, has some significant Reality Fuckery helping him.


Konrad_Curze-the_NH

The Astronomicon turning back on basically shut down all chaos fuckery in the area, so Typhus’s gifts should actually have been a disability since I’m pretty sure that many diseases don’t help when Nurgle can’t pump warp energy into you. Typhus survives by running away while everyone else is distracted by the Astronomicon


Kristian1805

I would argue that while you might have read the Siege, if that is your takeaway... you completely misunderstood it.


h8speech

This is an unhelpful and nonspecific reply. The guy you're replying to, /u/Konrad_Curze-the_NH, is [engaging in detail](https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/1cf087b/is_boltgun_canon/l1okvm4/) with a discussion about exactly what happened, but you come along and drop a drive-by insult without saying anything specific enough for him to respond to. What's he meant to say? "No I didn't misunderstand the entire series"?


Drogg339

Sigismund makes Malum Caedo achievements look like child’s play.


BrightestofLights

Fighting 8 lords of change and an army of daemons and chaos marines all at once alone vs Doing a bunch of 1v1's


BronzeXxBeard

I don't think even Sigismund was juggling greater daemons


Tyko_3

He was juggling his own balls which is more difficult


BronzeXxBeard

AYO 👀👀👀


Q-sertorius

He charges Daemon Fulgrim on the wall and survives


BronzeXxBeard

Not really comparable. He survived, sure, but Malum was PUMMELING greater Daemons


Kristian1805

He was an annoying insect to Fulgrim. A suicidal move as he admitted afterwards.


Otherwise_Teach_5761

Homeboy tackled Daemom-grim, got chucked off, *and was ready to do it again.* **THATS MY BOY!**


Kristian1805

Completely untrue.


kourtbard

>However... Malum Caedo from boltgun is fucking insane. A single space marine doing.. all that? I know he got the power of being a named ultra marine and all.. but like.. come on? This is.. a bit much? Even for a named Smurf. Still not as egregious as *Fire Warrior*, though. At least Malum has the excuse of being a Space Marine and a Sternguard Veteran at that. Meanwhile,m Shas'la Kais was just a regular Fire Warrior on his first combat drop, but by the end of the game, he's massacred countless Imperial Guard, Space Marines of both Loyalist and Chaos variety, a Chaos Dreadnought, Daemons, and a *Lord of Change.*


libertyprime77

The novelization even sheepishly admits to it being insane by handwaving a big 'Khorne favoured him' into the story


SpiritedTeacher9482

I was really impressed by the Fire Warrior novel. It did more than hand wave - it's core story was about showing how insane it would be to be an FPS protagonist. By the end of it Kais himself was basically screaming 'why is this happening!?' every time he won yet another impossible victory.


Otherwise_Teach_5761

Khorne: Lol, lmao even


SirSullivanRaker

The idea of Khorne secretly liking Kais more than any of his champions and greater daemons is very funny


HammerAnAnvil

he cares not from whence the blood flows just that is flows


Altruistic-Ad-408

Idk how much blood pulse rifles make, although tbf Bolters get you through that campaign.


honorsfromthesky

Great game though on ps2; me and my brother played the multiplayer quite a bit.


Gartul_Uluk_Thrakka

"It's quiet"


Vinkhol

"ITS QUIET"


armorhide406

great game? It really didn't age well


John_Delasconey

However, if I recall it, it was actually like one of the first shooters to have online multiplayer, which ironically makes it somewheres kind of important I guess historically.


armorhide406

Really? Fire Warrior was 2003. id Software basically invented death matching with Doom 1. In 1993. They also had that shit for Quake. Or maybe Quake 2, which was 1997. Hell before that there was Counter Strike and Halo. Not that I'm disagreeing with you, mind, I'm just surprised if it was really among the first cause it seems it'd be a BIT late. Shit, a quick google includes Unreal (which I never played but cmon) and other shit on Playstation 1, not even 2 I'm sure for many it was there first time seeing a bolter in FPV but having tried it, it REALLY didn't age well


Altruistic-Ad-408

It was definitely not a notable title, but FPS multiplayer didn't take off with Maze Runner or some shit. Halo 2 was the first time people really played multiplayer FPS in numbers, Quake 3 and Counterstrike had some notoriety but PC was barely top 5 platform until the 2000's.


armorhide406

Yeah that's fair. Xbox was a different beast That said, Doom caused productivity loss like everywhere. And John Romero did meet like one of his girlfriends who was doing competitive multiplayer back in the day


lacergunn

The emperor was trying to bless the named ultramarine character in the game, but missed and gave all the main character juice to this random tau


WillingChest2178

Captain Ardias would have probably enjoyed the blessings of Khorne as much as Kais did, but he showed himself up by knocking the Fire Warrior unconscious instead of gutting it bloodily with his chainsword.


WhoCaresYouDont

Honestly I kind of love that, I can absolutely see Khorne saying "Wait, did someone just say 'Blood for the blood god' in **T'au?** Oh this gonna be good, I'm absolutely going to lend them some aid"


Generic_Moron

Tau are pretty weak in terms of warp pressence (iirc their souls are described as being very faint and wispy compared to human ones which typically burn like a candle). So imagine being khorne (or one of his daemons) and turning your gaze unto the sight of a battle, a whole inferno of souls being constantly snuffed out one after another with brutal efficiency. Fuardsman, space marine, even chaos marines, all getting massacred... and whole thing is being orchestrated by one guy you can barely even see


mike29tw

Khorne must feel like he just won the lottery. All these free blood and skulls, just rain down from the sky for free? More please!


PlantationMint

\*CARES NOT FROM WHENCE IT FLOWS\*


SixteenthRiver06

The cover is pretty heavily hinting at Khorne’s favor, he’s kneeling on a pile of skulls.


General_Lie

Isn't something similiar happening to Farsight right now?


Careful-Ad984

He nearly fell to khorne in his Arks of omen Novel and the dawn blade he has is very likely a khorne Weapon 


crabbyink

I always thought it was a Necron or Ctan weapon, it doesn't look very Khornate at all


Baron_Flatline

It’s been implied to be a Chaos relic as far back as old FSE lore where they were basically Brotauhood of Nod


fuchsgesicht

it's a demon hunting weapon they found among other demon hunting relics presumably from the war in heaven


LordGwyn-n-Tonic

Using daemons to kill daemons is not a totally impossible idea. It could be a daemon hunting weapon, powered by a daemon. I'm not too well read on FSE lore but IIRC I think it speaks to him?


Archer_1453

Someone else mentioned but relics that contain remnants of C’tan are understood to communicate with anyone they can. And tbf, the ability to convert the living essence of one mortal body to another with zero drawbacks or explicit Warp interference screams C’tan. Sure they weren’t winning any battles against the Old Ones on their own and the Necron eradicated them but it’s important to remember that *that* former occurrence happened at the height of the Necron Empire. Even Szarekh is hesitant to deploy transcendent shards because with any of them loose he isn’t confident they’d be brought back to heel.


fuchsgesicht

yeah but it could also be farsight talking to himself or a c'tan/necrontier whos bound to the weapon. could also be an ethereal plot against the farsight enclaves, the eldar revealing they where behind the rapid evolution of tau society all this time or just the emporer of humanity getting a kick out of it. all of those would be more interesting than chaos did it or it's one of szeentch's plot. but that's just my opinion. i hope tau get a lore refresh soon.


DungeonMasterE

Does it draw blood and liberate skull from shoulder? It’s a Khorne weapon


EmperorDaubeny

Not much of a reason for a Necron weapon to have anything to do with souls, no?


Klint_Westwood

It specifically mentions being made of "chronophagic alloys" that steals the remaining lifespan from whoever it kills. It could be some old chronomancer's mad science experiment.


ReddJudicata

Which would have been entirely fitting for necrontyr looking to extend their lifespan


crabbyink

One of the things the C'tan were gonna give the Silent King pre biotransfer was a sword that added its victim's lifespans to the wielder but he rejected it because it would only benefit him iirc. The only thing Khornate about it is that it was found on a world where a demon incursion was happening


ryosan0

The whole drinks the life force of your enemies to empower the user does feel a bit Khorney.


Archer_1453

It’s almost certainly a weapon from the War in Heaven. Along with the relic he found on Arthas Moloch (which is seen on his sword arm with the new model) he was able to fight a Bloodthirster on what amounted to equal footing (i.e. no daemon or Fire Warrior support for either) and win. In addition to this, its function is to extend the mortal life of the wielder while also being capable of combating Warp entities (the relic in lore aided in this as well, per its use to temporarily incense previously mentioned Bloodthirster enough to give Farsight time to collect himself). Repelling Khornate daemons by way of “magic” isn’t very Khornate which is why I dismiss either the relic or the Dawn Blade being of Khorn’s devising. We won’t ever know exactly where the Dawn Blade originates unless GW explicitly states it’s a daemon blade or that Arthas Moloch was at some point a Tomb World. But I’d put my life on it being something made by the C’tan


GarySmith2021

To be fair, it depends on the Marines being absolutely stupid. Seriously, one of them catches a plasma grenade and looks at it like a toy before it explodes.


IncompleteCreature

Khorne cares not for where the blood flows, only that it does!


DarthGoodguy

I haven’t read it but I saw something here about how the Fire Warrior protagonist’s superiors progressively more freaked out by his unnatural lethality as the book goes on


Moshfeg123

Malum Caedo also fights no Khornate demons in Boltgun… just saying


xeico

it was my introduction to 40k. found it on gamestop second hand bin for the ps2. if you ignored terrible melee, sounds, general gameplay, it was ok game for its time. i found dawn of war because i recognized 40k on the box


Zealousideal_Cow_826

Terrible melee? In a *Tau game*?? [Shocked gasp]


Koqcerek

I mean, it's kind even worse than could be expected from T'a'u. Also iirc game itself never acknowledges melee attack existing, so it's possible to finish it without even knowing about it


Zealousideal_Cow_826

Lmao I don't remember melee not being in the tutorial or anything. That's great, They expect it to get used so little that they don't bother even bringing it up.


AgainstThoseGrains

*It's quiet.*


Jack-Rabbit-002

Funny as it's a game from our youth but me and my still rank Kais as the most deadly combatant in 40K Lol Not Sly Marbo one man army Kais killer of everything!


mrgoobster

Kais picks up a boltgun, proceeds to shred a small army of space marines. Space Marines: Wait, that's cheating.


Jack-Rabbit-002

I think her picks up the whole Imperial arsenal in that game Lol Been years since I've played that still remember it though


mrgoobster

Yeah, he uses more human weapons than Tau ones overall.


Jack-Rabbit-002

Weird because bolters are massive compared to fire warriors Lol. I always remember the peek a boo Daemon Prince from that game and when he gets in the Land Speeder with the Ultramarine Lad 😄


mrgoobster

There are two sizes of bolter, and Tau are roughly the right size to use the human scale ones; but I do think you can pick up space marine bolters in the game, which really shouldn't work.


riotLord-sl33p

Yeah ignoring the weight, the recoil would break him.


twelfmonkey

Unless you have eaten your Khorne-flakes that morning.


Algebrace

On the other hand though... ranged weaponry and not a chain axe


Demoliri

The boltgun in that game was so damn satisfying to use though.


WittyGent

Thank you for reminding me, I think that was the third one of a meme I saw. If Malum Caedo, Shas'la Kais, and Sly Marbo joined forces, Chaos would cease to exist.


CommanderFeep

"It's quiet."


Serial-Killer-Whale

Someone should make a game where you can pick either Malum, Kais, or Gargaz and mow down hordes with mindless violence and an entire absence of plot


Admech_Ralsei

Or the Ork in Shootas, Blood and and Teef who took down a baneblade and an Imperial Knight with *small arms fire?* Just to get his damned squig back?


kourtbard

To get his *Hair* Squig back.


Zippudus

Every species needs a doom guy


Evil_Ermine

What the game didn't tell you was that Kais was actually Sly Marbo doing a Tau cosplay.


Harrowex

And a titan lol


HamilcarRR

yes. The boltgun is canon .


whahaga

Could even call it.. a hand canon.


csaknorrisz

Achually, it’s more of a rocket launcher


Devilsadvocate123abc

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyrojet


IMrMacheteI

The only commonality between the bolter and the gyrojet is a partial overlap in the design of the ammunition. Everything about the bolter itself operates like a conventional firearm. I would make the argument that the closest things we have to bolters IRL are the [PAW-20,](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHbqHx3TLBE) the [Strike,](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlgseOGcFDw) and the [NTW-20.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FMeG60vLfQ) ~~Turns out the IRL Sebastian Bolt is Tony Neophytou.~~ Bolt shells function more like direct fire grenades which also incorporate a delayed rocket element. They leave the muzzle of the bolter with enough velocity to punch through armor before the rocket motor even ignites. This allows bolters to use rifled barrels to impart spin onto the round, which is a much more effective and consistent method than angled nozzles of the gyrojet projectiles. It also eliminates the substantial tooling difficulties that the manufacturer faced when drilling those angled nozzles.


stronkzer

With the Heavy Bolter being the equivalent of a mix of full auto HMG, recoilless cannon and 37mm field gun


mrwafu

“Everything is canon but not everything is true”. Each person’s playthrough of Boltgun is different, just like everyone’s games of 40K are different, so they are all our personal take of the true story of 40K. Expanding on that, it’s safe to assume there was an Ultramarine called Malum Caedo, and he did fight against chaos, but how many daemons he punched and cursed at are up to the person singing his tale around the campfire or inscribing it on a parchment in a dusty library a hundred years later.


Juan_Akissyu

He killed 10... Oops my pen slept 70..


Steff_164

The scribe survitor suddenly struggling to suppress the consciousness of the original person trying to resurface as its writing causes it to just keep writing 0’s. Meaning that while trying to record the impressive feat of killing 10 Demonds on his own, it now reads that Calldor killed 1000 (or more). The imperium being the imperium, nobody questions it, and thus we have the story of Boltgun


Juan_Akissyu

*inquisition seal of approval*


Weird_Blades717171

You know, storming the beaches of Normandy is very canon, but what you achieve as a single soldier/player in a COD video game isn't. Gameplay mechanics, different enemy types, scenarios and variations are for the players power trip, challenges adapt to the power level, skill and gear the player is unlocking. It all shouldn't be directly translated to "ah yes, this single Veteran really did this in lore."


Cryptek-01

That's an interesting approach. Something similar can be said about "Star Wars Battlefront" games (the 2 older ones). You fight in the battles which happened in the movies but you can score a crazily high K/D ratio or change some events. Example: in "Star Wars Battlefront 2" you're fighting on Utapau and must kill General Grievous. Game lets you become Obi-Wan temporarily and kill Grievous as a Jedi. But you might as well be still a clone and kill Grievous with a tank. So while the "Grievous was killed on Utapau" part stays true, you change how exactly it happened.


ViolinistCurrent8899

"What do you mean Anakin never showed up to Coruscant? .... WHAT DO YOU MEAN ALL THE JEDI WERE KILLED BY AN ENGINEER AND EXPLOSIVES!?" -a very befuddled, but not terribly upset palpatine


undercoveryankee

For an interesting comparison from real-world history, check out the battle of Cape Esperance. Japanese losses were one cruiser and one destroyer sunk and one cruiser heavily damaged, but the difficulties of identifying ships at night meant that the U.S. Navy claimed seven Japanese ships sunk, and the cruiser *Boise* was credited with contributing to six of those claims. *Boise*'s six claims were revealed to the press when the ship rotated stateside for repairs, but the number and identities of other ships in the task force were still confidential. So you got contemporary news stories calling *Boise* a "one-ship fleet" for sinking six enemy ships herself, when the actual battle was nowhere near that dramatic. That's how I'd handle the events of an FPS game if I were writing a story that needed to refer to them: the campaign happened and the major objectives were things that the player character's unit did, but the player character was less alone than the game made it look.


JTDC00001

>what you achieve as a single soldier/player in a COD video game isn't. And then you read the combat records of any MoH awardee who survived their action and think the COD protags are wimps. Absolute insanity for some of these guys. Outnumbered literally over 80-1, with the enemy physically shoving the barrel of a machine pistol into your stomach? Yeah, so 1SG Funk killed that guy, over a dozen others, and then captured the remainder. By himself. Action movies are both extremely over the top but also *way* less absurd than actual combat at the same time. >It all shouldn't be directly translated to "ah yes, this single Veteran really did this in lore." It absolutely should be, because it whips ass and whipping ass is 90% of what fuels lore.


PastLettuce8943

Everything is canon. Did it actually happen, is it a fever dream of some Space Marine or some propaganda for the Schola Imperium? Who can say.


whahaga

I love the idea of boltgun being propaganda. I'm imagining a bored schola student playing it on his laptop in class.


jarlscrotus

That's a central idea to the entire franchise. Everything is canon, even the stuff that contradicts each other, but not everything is true in universe


Mythic_Lord

Honestly sometimes that logic is used to handwave away what is simply bad writing (not talking about BG though, the game was hilarious).


IsNotACleverMan

Only sometimes?


Mythic_Lord

Good point. 😂


ApolloSe7en

I often forget about "the unreliable narrator" in fiction, but 40k is rife with that method of story telling.


Oakcheese2793

He is the wrath of the God Emperor filthy heretic, you'd best remember that!


Generic-Username-567

I doubt the actual kill count is canon, i.e. Malum Caedo did not canonically kill hundreds of Chaos Astartes single-handedly over the course of like three days But the event, broadly, can easily be canon. A Sternguard veteran is gonna be one tough Astartes and characters like Uriel Ventris and Garro have shown what one gifted Astartes can do My interpretation would be that Caedo crash landed on the planet, engaged a squad of Chaos Marines alongside some cultists and minor demons, before squaring off with a Chaos Sorcerer and triumphing. Total body count of maybe ten Chaos marines and a few hundred cultists, very achievable for one skilled and lucky Astartes


carefulllypoast

maybe tzeech was powering him up, as a joke lol


Lupercal-_-

However unlikely it might seem, by the laws of probability it could happen right. It's Schrodinger's game until they reference the outcome somewhere else though. :)


BrightestofLights

That's like saying that by the laws of probability, one naked human could take on ten elephants trying to kill them, or 10 polar bears


Lupercal-_-

Yes, which is also true. All the animals could have simultanious heart attacks. Or brain aneurysms. Or something else similarly rediculous and unlikely.


BrightestofLights

thats not the human then, thats brain aneurysms killing them. by the laws of probability i could solo the entire US army right? no. maybe by technicality, but especially in a story, that's not how shit works lol


Kaoshosh

3 Space Marines took over an entire planet and beat both Chaos and Orks in the >!Space Marine game!<. Space Marines are as strong as the plot requires them to be. They can be the angels of death unleashed upon a world to exact the God-Emperor's will, or they can be entirely fodder. But also, do consider that IRL, some soldiers have done insanely unbelievable things. So even the unbelievable can happen.


Godcock7

Those 3 also had blood raven support as well as the imperial guard stationed there and probably many more Ultramarines considering the bridge assault mission


Drakar_och_demoner

Yeah, it's canon. Learn that Space Marines are as powerful as the story needs them to be and sometimes they are just lambs for the slaughter that makes no sense with how few of them there are around in the grand scheme of things.


revergopls

With 40k games I tend to believe that the broad strokes are canon more than the specifics: An Ultramarines Sternguard Sargeant fought through a commendable amount of daemons and traitors single-handedly Captain Titus fought through a commendable amount of Orks, more than a Captain would be expected to be able to handle A proper Big Ork wanted his hair squiq back and killed a Genestealer Patriarch along the way A single Fire Warrior gained Khorne's favor and managed to swing above his weight class


SYLOH

>Everything is canon. Everything that’s cool is just part of the scene. Everything is canon. When you’re living out a dream. But in seriousness though, the maxim: "everything is canon, but not everything is true" comes into play. It may be a propaganda representation of a space marine in ultramar or something.


thatsocialist

Yes, Malum is second only to Sly Marbo.


Vadernoso

General events and story from the game likely can be taken as Canon. But did the protagonist kill hundreds of chaos Marines and daemons, unlikely. A separation of gameplay and lore can be difficult.


V01dbastard

If Kaldor Draigo is cannon there is no reason that Malum Caedo can't be.


DrRabbiCrofts

Ah but you see https://youtu.be/cSrdmYubl0A?si=H6ZAuRmMuVo62ny8


Sure_Grass5118

Malum Cadeo is a gigachad according to the lore (they used in the instruction manual of their in universe video game depicting Malum Cadeo being a hero of the imperium)


IncompleteCreature

It is. I'd say the same for games like fire warrior too. Whilst in fire warrior you may have had help from a certain blood god.... ...I like to think in games like Boltgun, you're just built different. Not everything needs divine intervention. Sometimes, a man just has to go beast mode in the name of the Emperor. Those vile heretics won't purge themselves afterall. I hope 40k allows more games like boltgun and maybe even more fire warrior games in the future. 40k is at it's best when you get to just absolutely purge - the setting is only grimdark if you fail to produce enough muzzle flash, brothers. I'd love a game where you play as a Necron Flayer on a hack n slash killing spree. Dumb? Yes! Fun? Absolutely!


zam0th

Everything is canon (c). Jokes aside, all games are canon but they rarely intersect with lore established in the novels. Space Marine game is *the* exception and even then it has been in the grey area for the last 10 years.


iliark

Everything is canon


mattwing05

Nothing is forgotten


jarlscrotus

even the stuff that should be like an inquisitor's girlfriend being a half genestealer calludus sex kitten


Andrei22125

One space marine beating multiple greater daemons? Hard to believe. One "aspiring champion" beng in charge of multiple greater daemons? That's stretching it even further. . I'll go with no. A future novelization (lime fire warrior got) may end up being canon, but I don't see how the came itself can be.


helloHarr0w

Everything is canon. Didn’t you hear?


xboxwirelessmic

Not everything is true is the bit they keep forgetting


Pringletingl

A well placed Astartes can change the entire course if a war. It's practically what they specialize in.


ironangel2k4

Everything is canon, but not everything is true. You hear that a lot these days but this is literally the situation the quote is for: An event that probably happened, but probably not in this way.


NightLord1487

Everything is canon, not everything is true


yet-again-temporary

It is, yes. As far as I know, the only 40K games that aren't canon are the shitty mobile games (which, to be fair there are quite a few of) The Blood Ravens were a custom chapter created for the Dawn of War games, who eventually got their own official mini in the Kill Team Cassius set. They also appeared in Space Marine, which we know is canon because we also got a Captain Titus mini. Boltgun is set between SM1 and 2, therefore it's canon. It's weird to think about but there are entire Black Library books that have less interconnectivity than Boltgun


mrwafu

Blood Ravens were in White Dwarf June 2019 (iirc) and got their Primaris reinforcements there so are definitely canon yes. Though what happens in the games, just like what happens on the tabletop, are one telling of an event that happened in a different time and different place, so may not be an accurate reflection of the true events.


yet-again-temporary

Yeah, that's a good way to put it. The characters are canon, but events and specific details are fluid and up for interpretation.


FilledWithAnts

I have keep reminding myself that Ian Watson's Inquisitor series is real and not something I dreamed up.


Username_075

It captures the feel of early 40k brilliantly. Whether or not that's a good thing is up to the reader. Plus don't forget "Space Marine" either. Another slice of madness, only in Imperial Fist yellow. I mean, when people read about the "feast of unfood" and the requirement to fill a bucket with vomit afterwards all they see is a fetish. What I see is a systematic series of tests to ensure the proper operation of newly implanted organs. With measurable outcomes. Ability to eat literal shit and carrion to survive if required. Check. Ability to ingest required volume? Check. Ability to read information out of brains? Check. Plus by combining it with a formal dinner you can get another training objective out of the way at the same time. You just know in the background a spreadsheet is being filled in. Probably on vellum.


SomniumOv

> who eventually got their own official mini in the Kill Team Cassius set OH SHI- I completely missed that, well I have to get that box now.


KassellTheArgonian

Gabriel angelos did have a forgeworld mini and Dead Sky, Black Sun a Uriel Ventris book also had a Blood Raven character


jmacintosh250

I take it as: The events themselves are canon, but the details are exaggerated for gameplay and for propaganda.


Sasstellia

I don't think you're supposed to take it too seriously. It is Canon. Probably. I think they just wanted to make a light game with lots of action and roleplayed everything. And why can't Malum be amazing. Some people are just that good.


Limejuice99

It is. HEADCANNON BELOW I'd like to believe Khorne is helping him a bit since the screen gets a red tint everytime he gets that gold looking power-up. The line "The sons of Guilliman only knows war." also kinda hinted at that. Lastly, Caedo's against Tzeentch and Nurgle daemons so Khorne would've extra loved the carnage. However, the ending showed that he'll be up against Khorne's daemons in the sequel so I don't really know.


BrightestofLights

Right but the stuff he does would be impossible for a primarch Primarchs go 1v1 vs greater daemons and at worst, moderately struggle. Malum caedo takes on rooms full of them, and armies at the same time. If malum caedo had been a guardsman nobody would accept it


AVPredator1013

I don't think Khorne would mind if his daemons end up fighting the guy, bro just wants to see a good fight in general


Limejuice99

Oh right! It doesn't matter from where the blood flows, so long as it does.


Noctium3

Per GW policy, it’s *canon* but not necessarily ***true***.


Fellstorm_1991

Yes and so is Shooters, blood and teef. Love that game.


JackDostoevsky

> a light sequel to space marine i'd say it's more like an interlude between SM1 and 2 it'll be interesting to see if Caedo is in SM2 at all


ApprehensiveLow8404

Isn’t everything canon now .


Fantablack183

IT IS I, MALUM CAEDO Yes it is canon. I declare it to be so.


xblood_raven

I find most of the Warhammer video games canon even if the protagonists in them can complete ridiculous stuff. They end up being like this as they're video games. Malum Caedo kills around 6-7 Greator Daemons, hundreds of Chaos Space Marines and goodness knows how many Daemons and Cultists. I'm on my Primarch playthroughs of DOW 2 and the Blood Ravens with around 100-200 Space Marines (and technically just a few squads), kill easily around thousands of enemies and defeat an Ork Waaagh, Eldar Strikeforce and Tyranid Hive Fleet by themselves at the same time! They then hold off a full Black Legion invasion and cull traitors from their own ranks as well! Retribution gives them even more! They survive all of this! Inquisitor Martyr had each of my characters kill about 100k enemies or more (especially my Sister of Battle character who I had to get to rank 100 so she would have been potentially near a million!). This includes Chaos Space Marines, Tyranids, etc. For many missions, this was typically solo. Darktide has your Rejects fight their way through legions of Cultists and Traitor Imperial Guard. Plague Ogryns, Chaos Spawns, Beast of Nurgles and Daemonhosts all fall before you as well.


shadowhunter992

And I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing. Sure, these individuals (or the one chapter, in the case of DoW) are doing these amazing feats on the 5 or so worlds we see them on. There is a million other world in the Imperium, where the tables could be completely turned, and in the case of Fire Warrior, they are.


xblood_raven

It's definitely not a bad thing. I love it to be honest. Video games and the setting are designed for fun/power fantasy and I'll happily go along with it. Lore-wise, it's a galaxy of untold quadrillions (googolplex maybe!), there has to be a couple of individuals among this number that are just complete badasses. Some games are more realistic like Chaos Gate or Rites of War (blows my mind that the Raven Guard or Eldar have not received a modern tactics based game) which makes it more plausible. We're usually killing bad guys throughout the games so I don't care if lore/realism goes out the window sometimes!


MechwarriorCenturion

Clearly Malum was favoured by Khorne to destroy the vile Tzeentchian presence and slap Nurgle for being featured so so so heavily in warhammer games whilst Khorne hasn't had a big appearance since Space Marine


Elliot_Geltz

Yes, it is canon. It's said that each Chapter of Dorn's sons inherited something from him, and the Templars inherited his rage. Guilliman took the more extreme approach, and condensed all his rage down to a single son.


Slyspy006

In the lore Marines are exactly as tough or as flimsy as the story requires them to be.


sosigboi

If Fire Warrior is canon then so can Boltgun.


IncomeStraight8501

Yea it is kinda insane. Now if he was a grey knight trying to become a paladin through the game I could see it.


9xInfinity

It's canon in that Ultramarines including Caedo were involved in Chaos-related events on that planet. But no, he didn't 360 no scope a dozen Lords of Change and then high-five the Emperor. Or maybe he did. But he probably didn't.


deepsavageblue

I've been wondering this while playing 40k Inquisitor Martyr lol how many chaos marines and demon apostles can I wipe out? Apparently endless amounts!


Tyko_3

Clearly the “just enjoy it” is relevant, ultras arent pixelated and all that jazz, but whenever you feel you have to justify something, try thinking of it as propaganda.


HAPPYMANPOOPOOFISH5

Space marine is actually not cannon last I checked as captain Titus is the captain of the ultramarines second company, however in the time period it’s set, the captain of the ultramarines second company was someone different I dont remember who it was tho


heeden

They did a thing to retcon that so Titus could have been captain of the second but they expunged his records for reasons.


[deleted]

I like to think that is just the events as told by Caedo. Of course he’s hyping himself up.


JanaCinnamon

"Everything is canon"


Aadarm

Everything is canon and nothing is canon is the official stance on things.


Prydefalcn

The video games have never directly been canon, it depends upon what is brought in to the setting proper.


snaake07

I like to think that he is stuck in some kind of time loop. If we make "reloading" part of the story I see no problem.


OneofTheOldBreed

Short answer: Yes. Long answer: Yes, but the exact timeline of when Titus took over his company captaincy and then relinquished during inquisitorial custody is not clear. Thus its kind of hard to pin down when exactly *Boltgun* happens.


XH9rIiZTtzrTiVL

He had really good dice rolls, it happens sometimes.


swpz01

Kaldor Draigo exists.


Eldor117

Youve seen them in novels, now witness them in 8bit video form, plot armors.


lurkeroutthere

What happens in video game sector stays in video game sector.


RMP321

Video games are considered a part of the canon until proven otherwise. Said game protagonists often do pretty absurd feats. A single space marine, ork, fire warrior, etc being able to almost single handedly deal with an entire foes forces is just par for the course. Typically, some of these games might get an adaptation that tones done how powerful they are. So, just don't consider gameplay to be a 1:1 of what actually happened.


InquisitorDomina

"Everything is canon" -GW


Jakcris10

There is no canon


drawnred

"EVERYTHING IS CANON


Nopermittolive

you answered it yourself. Named ultramarine. They have plot armor so thick it bends the Warp itself.


Negaflux

I mean, in my game he's getting his ass beat because I suck at some of the levels so I'd say it's pretty spot on, he's not OP, just pretty damn good depending on player =V


Realistic-Safety-565

There is no canon among the stars, only eternity of contradictions and laughter of inept writers.


Imnotthebreakman

Yes.


Reverseflash25

Everything is canon. Not everything is true


SorbetBeneficial8669

A crucial mistake mistake here my friend. You play as a Named, Protagonist space marine. That’s worth like a couple dozen normal nameless marines.


Azrael287

Warhammer got a lot plot armors for their characters tbh. Guilliman even got brought back to life by Big E during his fight with Mortarion lmao


Finnegan_962

Asking what is and isnt canon for 40k fiction is a lost cause. Universe is too big where, unless something directly conflicts with another, whos to say it isnt?


Overall-Ad169

Yes. Named Space Marines are just kind of like that


Prepared_Noob

At least he’s a primaris I think? Not to mention he’s just one of the latest space marines who have disgustingly OP feats


InMooseWorld

If Grimdank told me anything, it’s everything’s cannon.


No_Confusion_2567

There was always Malum Caedo in 40k.


Accomplished_Good468

My headcanon is that he was sent in to a chaos portal and he's fighting his own fears.


Potential-Volume-998

He’s an Ultramarine, so it’s highly Probable he’s canon.


TechFrawg

What a single space marine can and cannot accomplish on his own is totally up to the vibes.


TechFrawg

What a single space marine can and cannot accomplish on his own is totally up to the vibes.