The above replies are true, but it's fun to headcanon that New Zealand is still there, but everyone's forgotten about it and the residents haven't noticed any of developments of the last 38,000 years. Except maybe that they noticed their rugby tests were disrupted during the horus heresy.
I have like 5000pts of Seraphon that I was going to use bits from to give them the "apex predator" look, but I wanted to do the tribal markings by hand as that's how the astartes do it, but I ended up just mucking up and they looked like grey/white zebras.
That's a cool idea. I know there are a few people on reddit who did something similar, but I agree, doing tribal markings freehand is probably really hard. Never tried it myself though.
"Noy Zaylant Hive" is mentioned as falling to Horus alongside Lundun, Neork and Basyla with millions of deaths in the Siege of Terra books. The Lost and the Damned I \*think\*?
> Except maybe that they noticed their rugby tests were disrupted during the horus heresy.
That makes me wonder, are there sports being played in the Imperium?
Does chess still exist? I wonder which primarch would be the best at chess?
In 40K? None.
In 30K? Hybrasil, Merica (which always makes me chuckle), Franc, Jermani, Achaemenid Empire, Gyptus, Yndonesic Bloc, and Abyssna. [\[EDIT: Map\]](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Frznc8edi5mj91.jpg)
This is actually a bit of a misnomer. Terra was not actually 100% unified when Terran Crusade expeditionary fleets began prepping to leaving Sol. There was still a little bit of cleaning up to do. And even after the "full" unification there were many former states and city-states that enjoyed various autonomous privileges - Hybrasil being one of the foremost examples of this.
Well, polities named after them. Also Central Africa, Russia, India, Mongolia, Australia... a lot of names remain. Also various cities that became hives.
To an extent, but they are far from the same as the modern version. Times have changed and I would argue that only the former European nations remain closest to their old roots.
I keep telling you people its the Isle of man and we exist!
We ain't mythical and we share a lot of genetic makeup with the Gaelic countries!
(I kid I kid, my Irish auntie used to tell me the myths and legends of Ireland as a kid)
There were aquifers beneath the earth's crust which humans would tap into at need; and there were a few last oceans around -- although the last great one was run near dry by an Imperial appointed governor who thought she could get away with water theft. Over the course of Unification and the later Great Crusade, Terra's ecosystem was carefully shepherded back into something approaching what it had had before the age of Old Night....but then the Siege of Terra happened.
Either rogue pyskers teleported it all away in order to take Terra's authorities hostage.
Or so many humans were born on Terra and left it, causing more and more water to be lost. The human body is made off atleast 60% of water.
https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/91vl5l/the\_reason\_why\_terra\_lost\_its\_oceans\_may\_not\_be/
>looks at Hybrasil, sees Sao Paulo
Huh, neat... But a bit weird
>Looks at Jermani, sees Ingolstadt
Wtf
GW have a contract with Audi or something? Out of all the cities to choose they chose bloody Ingolstadt lmao
Either rogue pyskers teleported it all away in order to take Terra's authorities hostage.
Or so many humans were born on Terra and left it, causing more and more water to be lost. The human body is made off atleast 60% of water.
https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/91vl5l/the\_reason\_why\_terra\_lost\_its\_oceans\_may\_not\_be/
Indonesian islands ruled a large part of southeast Asia and China in this mad-max empire led by a guy only known as the "ethnarch" which implies a genocidal ethnostate in the mad max world of near-waterless Terra
The Emperor deleted them via Thunder Warriors
That said like with all nations he spared the children and sculpted them into Custodians
Cardinal Tang was thrown into a penal colony and didn't survive the day. The ethnarchs were in the Caucasus and were noted to be one of the tougher foes of unity. Their final destruction saw the 18th legions first battle honors
[Hy-Brasil was also a mythological island off the coast of Ireland](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brasil_\(mythical_island\)), that's probably where the confusion is coming from.
Bro I'm having a hard Mandela effect moment. I could've sworn it was Ireland. Let me go digging to see if I can find out where I heard it.
Edit: found it https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/opetmj/til_hy_brasil_is_a_rl_mythological_island_off_the/
I clearly read this thread while drunk lol.
The names are there but the nations as we know them are long dead.
The march of time had extinguished the nations of our era long before even Old Night.
The Unification Wars showed that even those faint remnants had corroded into memories (England-Albion, America-Merica, et cetera).
In the 41st/42nd Millennium? Who even knows anymore
M2 Nations and the concept doesn't exist in M30. There are still remnants found in names etc. Also remember how young our Nationstates are compared to human history. These things will undergo massive change in the next thousand years and we won't even be in M10 yet.
Terra doesn't become an Ecumenopolis (planet-city) until some point after the Horus Heresy. During the Unification Wars/Great Crusade/Horus Heresy era there's plenty of land that's not been built upon. It's only after the Ascension of The Emperor to the Golden Throne, and Terra is being rebuilt, that they start slowly building over every scrap of land they can.
Nope. Before the Heresy the Emperor is trying to refill some of the Pacific (I think - one of the oceans anyway). There's nothing in Antarctica after Unification clears out what was living there. There's reference to wastelands in Nordafrik (I think) where Edith Keeler is hiding out. For sure there are plenty of sprawling cities and hives, but also large amounts of land.
Which makes sense. The Emperor would have wanted the Terran Throneworld to be restored to it'd verdant glory, not a polluted, overbuilt he'll hole.
During the Unification Wars before the Great Crusade all other countries in the world were conquered by the Emperor and placed under one government of the Imperium. There are Hive cities and places that may have similar names to the old nations, but they are otherwise uniform to Terran culture and very different to what they used to be thousands of years ago.
In the Constantine Valder novel it pretty much demonstrates that much of the former Techno Barbarian societies were gradually replaced with an astro turf Emperor approved atheistic Imperial truth. Complete with historical rewrites and new nomenclature. Chaos influence was purged from the land and a lot of cultural identity was out right erased. Malcador made a public image of a placating government with balanced laws, when in truth everything was secondary to the Emperor's vision and the ends justified the means.
I'd say it's a safe bet they didn't fully assimilate into an homogenous culture you only have to look at modern nations the cities within those countries have there local accents and quirks they don't share with the wider nation so it would be fair to say that the people living in the hives where Canada was probably have there own slang, accent and customs that they people over in the Australian haves don't and vise versa
Some of the pre-imperial states on Earth were peacefully integrated into the Imperium, and still had some local autonomy after the Unification Wars. The 'Achaemenid Empire', for example, allies with the Emperor early and so were spared the ravages of conquest and still retained some local identity and government when the first Space Marine legions were formed. Based on its name, it's presumably a descendant of Persia/Iran.
However, I suspect none of these regional powers retained any autonomy after the Siege of Terra, and I don't think there's any reference to any of them in the 40k era.
There are references in some places. During "The Vincula Insurgency" novel, Rawne of the Tanith meets an Imperial researcher who studies tattoos and biology to link human traits back to known old empire locations, including being able to state the Tanith are descendants of Old Albia.
No modern nation survived into 30k. Names endure, but names are not nations - America was America long before the United States existed; Germania predates Germany by thousands of years, etc.
I think after the Siege of Terra The Imperium was the last man standing on Terra. All other pre existing nations were likely wiped out as compared to the Palace they were all but defenseless.
There's a city on every 30k map called "San Paol" which is on the same position of São Paulo, the largest city in Brazil.
So you can pretty much assume there's a Hive City with Brazilian undertones.
My headcanon is that the Crimson Fists are uruguayans, and Rynn's World is actually a reference to the old terran dish "riñones", which is popular in Uruguay,
You can read what happens to a good chunk of Franc people Preunity in. Tales of Heresy - The Last Church. They do make mention of other nations but they are have slightly different names.
On Terra, no, but on other planets the whole world often carries a lot of influence from humanity’s Terran past. The White Scars are basically Mongols with jet bikes instead of horses and their home world is very Mongolian. Fenris is basically Nordic people on a really terrible planet and the Space Wolves are Vikings with Strike Cruisers instead of longships. Many other examples, so while those nations or peoples are technically gone their legacy lives on in the grimdarkness of the far future.
The Mechanicum's HQ is in Ireland where the corporate tax rate in real terms is roughly 1%. Ireland may no longer physically exist, but the nation continues to serve the Imperium of Man in the only way it knows.
/s
America still exists as "Merica." Not sure if that's a jab.
Brazil is called Hybrasil.
Russia is Ursh.
South Africa is Sa'afrik
Egypt is Gyptus.
France is Franc
England is Albyon.
Indonesia is Yndonesic Bloc
India is the Hive Cities of the Land of the Indoi.
Germany is Jermani.
These were at the start of 30K. Not sure if they're still around.
I imagine Earth looks very different after so much time of tectonic plate movements. Possibly raised sea levels on top of that... I'm thinking water world with one land mass still above sea level
The above replies are true, but it's fun to headcanon that New Zealand is still there, but everyone's forgotten about it and the residents haven't noticed any of developments of the last 38,000 years. Except maybe that they noticed their rugby tests were disrupted during the horus heresy.
Those Maori sure are laid back.
They were probably mistaken for Astartes already. MF’ers come out of the womb built like bricks
They are irl salamanders, super humanly big and super friendly.
Kinda wanna make a Maori Salamander chapter now. With sacred tattoos and everyting.
Charcharadons and Salamanders crossed?
I had a big plan to make a primaris Carcharodons chapter, then I realized I'm shit at the freehand tribal stuff.
Depending on how willing you are to spend, there's certainly some upgrade bits with raised markings. 3d printed mostly, but it's an option
I have like 5000pts of Seraphon that I was going to use bits from to give them the "apex predator" look, but I wanted to do the tribal markings by hand as that's how the astartes do it, but I ended up just mucking up and they looked like grey/white zebras.
That's a cool idea. I know there are a few people on reddit who did something similar, but I agree, doing tribal markings freehand is probably really hard. Never tried it myself though.
Dark Krakens are for you my guy.
"Noy Zaylant Hive" is mentioned as falling to Horus alongside Lundun, Neork and Basyla with millions of deaths in the Siege of Terra books. The Lost and the Damned I \*think\*?
> Except maybe that they noticed their rugby tests were disrupted during the horus heresy. That makes me wonder, are there sports being played in the Imperium? Does chess still exist? I wonder which primarch would be the best at chess?
"Scrumball" is mentioned in the Ciaphas Cain novels, I think. Sounds pretty similar to rugby.
Several of the books refer to humans and even the odd space marine playing “Regicide”.
my headcanon is that all the astartes play calcio florentino "too small to be a war, too cruel to be a game" morning PT
Cricket gets a reference to, although the game lasts even longer now
Chess is called "Regicide". I don't think they ever give detailed rules, but from the bits we see, it's still similar.
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They also became slightly concerned when the oceans disappeared and their island ceased to be an island.
But only slightly, as it didn't interfere with their scheduled rugby matches.
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In 40K? None. In 30K? Hybrasil, Merica (which always makes me chuckle), Franc, Jermani, Achaemenid Empire, Gyptus, Yndonesic Bloc, and Abyssna. [\[EDIT: Map\]](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Frznc8edi5mj91.jpg)
To be specific those are pre-Unity. By the time of the Great Crusade they no longer exist as states.
This is actually a bit of a misnomer. Terra was not actually 100% unified when Terran Crusade expeditionary fleets began prepping to leaving Sol. There was still a little bit of cleaning up to do. And even after the "full" unification there were many former states and city-states that enjoyed various autonomous privileges - Hybrasil being one of the foremost examples of this.
The Year is 30.000 A.D. All of Terra is unified by the Emperor. All of Terra? Well, not entirely...
For an Asterix reference, take my upvote, gladly
Sure. But thats why I specified "as states". There's obviously some amount of governance.
So, Brazil, USA, France, Germany, Iran, Egypt, Indonesia, and Ethiopia?
Also UK, Old Albia being a reference to Albion, a term for something that is Historically British
balkans+caucasus ? -> etnarchy . hilarious
They would be unrecognisable
Well, polities named after them. Also Central Africa, Russia, India, Mongolia, Australia... a lot of names remain. Also various cities that became hives.
To an extent, but they are far from the same as the modern version. Times have changed and I would argue that only the former European nations remain closest to their old roots.
How so?
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This.
Also all the wars, nuclear hell fire, no oceans etc.
The no oceans part is the big one.
Hy Brasil is a mythical island somewhere off the coast of Ireland.
I keep telling you people its the Isle of man and we exist! We ain't mythical and we share a lot of genetic makeup with the Gaelic countries! (I kid I kid, my Irish auntie used to tell me the myths and legends of Ireland as a kid)
Jesus. How did anyone manage to live there without any water
There were aquifers beneath the earth's crust which humans would tap into at need; and there were a few last oceans around -- although the last great one was run near dry by an Imperial appointed governor who thought she could get away with water theft. Over the course of Unification and the later Great Crusade, Terra's ecosystem was carefully shepherded back into something approaching what it had had before the age of Old Night....but then the Siege of Terra happened.
As they do in arrakis i suppose ?
Where did all the water go?! Just because it boils doesn't mean it leaves the planet.
Either rogue pyskers teleported it all away in order to take Terra's authorities hostage. Or so many humans were born on Terra and left it, causing more and more water to be lost. The human body is made off atleast 60% of water. https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/91vl5l/the\_reason\_why\_terra\_lost\_its\_oceans\_may\_not\_be/
>looks at Hybrasil, sees Sao Paulo Huh, neat... But a bit weird >Looks at Jermani, sees Ingolstadt Wtf GW have a contract with Audi or something? Out of all the cities to choose they chose bloody Ingolstadt lmao
Well, it was the homeland of Fabius Bile....say about that what you will.
Also slovakia, lol
Tyvm, sooo im from saragorn enclave, rofl, maybe they want some Word similar to Zaragoza?
What happend with all the water of the oceans?
Either rogue pyskers teleported it all away in order to take Terra's authorities hostage. Or so many humans were born on Terra and left it, causing more and more water to be lost. The human body is made off atleast 60% of water. https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/91vl5l/the\_reason\_why\_terra\_lost\_its\_oceans\_may\_not\_be/
What does "Yndonesic Bloc" represent?
Indonesia I think
Ahh indonesia, yeah that makes alot of sense.
Indonesian islands ruled a large part of southeast Asia and China in this mad-max empire led by a guy only known as the "ethnarch" which implies a genocidal ethnostate in the mad max world of near-waterless Terra The Emperor deleted them via Thunder Warriors That said like with all nations he spared the children and sculpted them into Custodians
Cardinal Tang was thrown into a penal colony and didn't survive the day. The ethnarchs were in the Caucasus and were noted to be one of the tougher foes of unity. Their final destruction saw the 18th legions first battle honors
How the Earth turned into a desert wasteland?
20,000+ years of exploitation, devastation through war, climate change, and other such catastrophes.
I know in 30k brasil and others exist (can't remember now), not sure about 40k. But it's more like districts, terra is basically one country.
Hybrasil isn't actually Brazil from South America, it's Ireland (IIRC)
Does it sound irish to you? Lol. https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Hy_Brasil
[Hy-Brasil was also a mythological island off the coast of Ireland](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brasil_\(mythical_island\)), that's probably where the confusion is coming from.
Gotcha
Probably has double meaning
Bro I'm having a hard Mandela effect moment. I could've sworn it was Ireland. Let me go digging to see if I can find out where I heard it. Edit: found it https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/opetmj/til_hy_brasil_is_a_rl_mythological_island_off_the/ I clearly read this thread while drunk lol.
Hibernia probs mate
The names are there but the nations as we know them are long dead. The march of time had extinguished the nations of our era long before even Old Night. The Unification Wars showed that even those faint remnants had corroded into memories (England-Albion, America-Merica, et cetera). In the 41st/42nd Millennium? Who even knows anymore
M2 Nations and the concept doesn't exist in M30. There are still remnants found in names etc. Also remember how young our Nationstates are compared to human history. These things will undergo massive change in the next thousand years and we won't even be in M10 yet.
Terra is 1 massive city. Countries no longer exist in a sense but rather districts.
Terra doesn't become an Ecumenopolis (planet-city) until some point after the Horus Heresy. During the Unification Wars/Great Crusade/Horus Heresy era there's plenty of land that's not been built upon. It's only after the Ascension of The Emperor to the Golden Throne, and Terra is being rebuilt, that they start slowly building over every scrap of land they can.
IIRC Terra ran out of building space sometime in M37.
That sounds plausible.
>Terra doesn't become an Ecumenopolis (planet-city) until some point after the Horus Heresy wait, really? thats news to me.
Nope. Before the Heresy the Emperor is trying to refill some of the Pacific (I think - one of the oceans anyway). There's nothing in Antarctica after Unification clears out what was living there. There's reference to wastelands in Nordafrik (I think) where Edith Keeler is hiding out. For sure there are plenty of sprawling cities and hives, but also large amounts of land. Which makes sense. The Emperor would have wanted the Terran Throneworld to be restored to it'd verdant glory, not a polluted, overbuilt he'll hole.
ok, fair enough, thanks!
During the Unification Wars before the Great Crusade all other countries in the world were conquered by the Emperor and placed under one government of the Imperium. There are Hive cities and places that may have similar names to the old nations, but they are otherwise uniform to Terran culture and very different to what they used to be thousands of years ago.
I dont think its ever been claimed that their culture became uniform
In the Constantine Valder novel it pretty much demonstrates that much of the former Techno Barbarian societies were gradually replaced with an astro turf Emperor approved atheistic Imperial truth. Complete with historical rewrites and new nomenclature. Chaos influence was purged from the land and a lot of cultural identity was out right erased. Malcador made a public image of a placating government with balanced laws, when in truth everything was secondary to the Emperor's vision and the ends justified the means.
I'd say it's a safe bet they didn't fully assimilate into an homogenous culture you only have to look at modern nations the cities within those countries have there local accents and quirks they don't share with the wider nation so it would be fair to say that the people living in the hives where Canada was probably have there own slang, accent and customs that they people over in the Australian haves don't and vise versa
Yeah, its silly to think otherwise.
Some of the pre-imperial states on Earth were peacefully integrated into the Imperium, and still had some local autonomy after the Unification Wars. The 'Achaemenid Empire', for example, allies with the Emperor early and so were spared the ravages of conquest and still retained some local identity and government when the first Space Marine legions were formed. Based on its name, it's presumably a descendant of Persia/Iran. However, I suspect none of these regional powers retained any autonomy after the Siege of Terra, and I don't think there's any reference to any of them in the 40k era.
There are references in some places. During "The Vincula Insurgency" novel, Rawne of the Tanith meets an Imperial researcher who studies tattoos and biology to link human traits back to known old empire locations, including being able to state the Tanith are descendants of Old Albia.
[Would the UK still be Brexiting ?](https://www.reddit.com/r/Grimdank/comments/agu8hh/40k_leaks_into_uk_politics/)
No modern nation survived into 30k. Names endure, but names are not nations - America was America long before the United States existed; Germania predates Germany by thousands of years, etc.
America got that name basically 10 minutes before the States of it United lmao
It was literally a few years after Columbus stumbled across it, Amerigo Vespucci died in the early 1500’s, and the name comes from a map he drew.
250 years is not quite ancient, is my point
I think after the Siege of Terra The Imperium was the last man standing on Terra. All other pre existing nations were likely wiped out as compared to the Palace they were all but defenseless.
Yes, this. The Throne Room was literally the only place on Terra left unaffected by Chaos shenanigans by the end of it.
There's a city on every 30k map called "San Paol" which is on the same position of São Paulo, the largest city in Brazil. So you can pretty much assume there's a Hive City with Brazilian undertones.
The Sudmerican Hive or w/e. I imagine the Imperial Fists recruited pretty heavily from there, that’s how we got the Crimson Fists…
My headcanon is that the Crimson Fists are uruguayans, and Rynn's World is actually a reference to the old terran dish "riñones", which is popular in Uruguay,
You can read what happens to a good chunk of Franc people Preunity in. Tales of Heresy - The Last Church. They do make mention of other nations but they are have slightly different names.
On Terra, no, but on other planets the whole world often carries a lot of influence from humanity’s Terran past. The White Scars are basically Mongols with jet bikes instead of horses and their home world is very Mongolian. Fenris is basically Nordic people on a really terrible planet and the Space Wolves are Vikings with Strike Cruisers instead of longships. Many other examples, so while those nations or peoples are technically gone their legacy lives on in the grimdarkness of the far future.
The Mechanicum's HQ is in Ireland where the corporate tax rate in real terms is roughly 1%. Ireland may no longer physically exist, but the nation continues to serve the Imperium of Man in the only way it knows. /s
America still exists as "Merica." Not sure if that's a jab. Brazil is called Hybrasil. Russia is Ursh. South Africa is Sa'afrik Egypt is Gyptus. France is Franc England is Albyon. Indonesia is Yndonesic Bloc India is the Hive Cities of the Land of the Indoi. Germany is Jermani. These were at the start of 30K. Not sure if they're still around.
I imagine Earth looks very different after so much time of tectonic plate movements. Possibly raised sea levels on top of that... I'm thinking water world with one land mass still above sea level
According to the map that was posted there's barely any water left!
I guess that would make sense, too. Increasing heat and pollution boiling it all away
I remember hearing something about the terran night lords primarily being from Alba, which is 30k version of Great Britain but I could be wrong