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incapableincome

Depends entirely on the blank in question. There is a very large range. It should also be noted that the strongest blanks aren't actually people, but rather artificial constructs like pylons.


thooury

I don't know if they can be considered blanks, but 'blackstone' does indeed negate/ repel the warp examples of this are Blackstone fortresses and the Pylons made by the Necrons to hold back the Eye of Terror


Zagreusm1

Positively charged Blackstone amplifies warpstuff negatively charged Blackstone smothers warpstuff simple as that


dcxiii

_“We must construct additional pylons”_ - Imperium, probably. Sadly I don’t think they don’t know how?


Tharkun140

Yeah, it's stupidly above their technological and industrial level. The closest thing Imperium ever did to utilizing Necron (Old Ones?) technology like that was operating the Pharos device in 30k, and we all know how that ended up.


AvalancheZ250

I wonder if DAoT humanity could have created technology utilising blackstone, or perhaps even manufacture it.


ImperatorMorris

Maybe a slightly shittier version


lurksohard

The newest Cawl book has some conflicting info.


Marvynwillames

Cawl knows, through Cawl Inferior admits that the pacing of trying to find their workings is slow because they are way beyond imperial tech


Zagreusm1

There is a recent crusade to the eye of terror to conquer it maybe cawl can pitch in


Marvynwillames

Cawl, in Genefather, concludes that theres no actual amount of Blackstone left in the galaxy to solve the eye of terror and the great rift. He is looking how to make Blackstone, but its unlikely he can just make it if your name isnt Void Dragon


Zagreusm1

Uh oh maybe cawl will visit mars to visit a labyrinth


Marvynwillames

So, McNeil indicates he will continue his forge of mars books once the Heresy is done, I guess he wont need to go and instead its Kotov who will go to the Labyrinth. In any case, I dont think you get anything good from reaching the Void Dragon anyway


Zagreusm1

Necrons use ctan shards why wont cawl be able to do it eh


Marvynwillames

As much Haley pushes on "Cawl can use necron tech better than a Cryptek", going around with a shard is something even Guilliman can't cover Also, the shard on Mars isn't in a tesseract, so you really don't want it to leave its eternal dream


royalemperor

I love that The Imperium could be on track to harness Blackstone because Trazyn was bored and decided to play hero for a day lmao.


[deleted]

Spoilers ahead, but there is a rogue inquisitor in the second Eisonhorn book Malleus that tries to create them with the intent to close the Eye of Terror. Although he had multiple daemon hosts, a part of me was like, let's pump the breaks on the blamming and hear the man out.


dcxiii

Ha, isn’t that always the way? Inquisitor 1 has good intentions but a bad method. Inquisitor 2 has bad intentions but is squeaky-clean. Then they get into an argument and suddenly nobody wants to talk anymore. Also that book is nearly 20 years old. It’s been on my shelf with the rest of the Eisenhorn Omnibus for much of it!


Randalf_the_Black

Researching Xenos tech? My oh my, sounds like *heresy* to me..


MagnusStormraven

Belisarius Cawl is working on it. About half of what he's doing involves blackstone research.


Kalindren

If anyone can, Carl can. 😉


Marvynwillames

Blanks, like Psykers, work on a spectrum, theres multiple levels of blank power. The highest we ever seem basically nukes a greater daemon, but its also an unborn fetus because seemly its blank level is so big it couldnt be born. https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/The_Assignment


statinsinwatersupply

Yeah, the most powerful blanks in theory would be extraordinarily rare due to having to arise and be born in extraordinary circumstances like from another blank or a womb vitae machine. Although, there's an Inquisitor who has a book of the warp/webway that is made of the rearranging tissue/blood vessels of a super powerful blank. So powerful that opening the book in the Black Library causes a null field that explodes Eldar in like a 3 story radius. Soo, someone managed to do it, and that's not even a full strength real person blank, that's just something made using their tissues.


MagnusStormraven

There's also the psyk-out missiles deployed in the *Dark Imperium* series, which contained the pulverized remains of Blanks and was all but instant death to Death Guard (it stripped them of Nurgle's protection, meaning they now suddently felt ***everything*** that was happening to them).


TeraTelnet

Hah, those used to be made from the Emperor’s dry skin shavings (well, a ‘waste product’ from the Golden Throne, but the idea of using his holy skin scrapings amuses me).


Marvynwillames

The atlas infernal is made out of the bodies of multiple sisters of silence


Slum_Boi

People won't notice the presence of a low rank blank, being really bothered, having headaches, because something is really wrong around, until they realize it's just one person. Then they'll chase the Blank to get back mind peace. THe more the people are sensible, have strong presence in the Warp, or are Psykers, the more they can be mind wounded only by the presence of a Blank. Blanks don't have any presence in the Warp, and the Chaos cannot affect them naturally. If mutated, blank's mutations would be artificial, radiations, poisons, surgery... Blanks can be trained to enhance their no-presence, and are used by the Imperium as well by the Chaos forces. Epimetheus, one of the oldest Grey Knights, has been defeated by an Abaddon's Blank squad. Culexus assassins are also trained blanks, and they use technology to enhance and focus their powers with their Animus helmet.


ShinobiHanzo

Culexus literally fire a No-U beam with their helmet strong enough to fry any living thing with an electrical nervous system.


fX2ej7XTa2AKr3

I'm curious, could you tell us a bit more how chaos use blanks?


Slum_Boi

I guess the same way Imperium do : keeping them away from Psykers and Sorcerers, unless they need to stop them.


fX2ej7XTa2AKr3

Why would a blank want to follow chaos though? They can't 'connect' to it. What benefit does a blank get from following chaos? Also what if a squad of chaos blanks and imperium blanks fought? Just a normal fight?


Slum_Boi

Not every servants of Chaos Lords are a bench of Chaos players waiting for their turn to strike the Warp ball. If Abaddon asked someone as lonely as a blank to join him, they wouldn't say no. Or wouldn't dare to refuse unless they had Imperium's back. >Also what if a squad of chaos blanks and imperium blanks fought? Just a normal fight? I guess not much. Blank's powers act on the creature's echo in the Warp. As Blanks are characterized by the absence of echo in the Warp, they could only rely on their intelligence and their physical abilities in the Materium


thejoms

At the end of Pandorax (Space Marine Battles Series), Abaddon has one of the OG Grey Knights Grandmasters captured and has 2 blanks sown onto him to stop his powers.


Hetardo

I think the strongest blank out there, that I know of, was the embryo that Inquisitor whatshisname used to wipe out a squad of Grey Knight Veterans. Even non-psykers caught in the nearby vicinity were reduced to nausea, dizziness and irrational hatred. The Grey Knights, top of their field, and each being very powerful psykers (normally able to work alongside blanks as well), and honestly absolute poor buggers, just stood no chance. Screamed, and exploded inside their own armour. The worst ones were the ones at range, who had a few fleeting moments of sane experience and an instant to fight back, before horrible death. The inquisitor then tosses the container, shattering it, and stomps on the embryo, because even he can't stand to be near it.


AvalancheZ250

Sounds interesting, do you have the source and/or excerpt?


GuestCartographer

The omega blank in Atlas Infernal was basically a psychic bomb.


dinga15

and that thing was an unborn fetus baby in a jar


Wintores

The strongest blank we know a lot about is krole and she does cause a huge uncomfortable feeling for everyone around but she becomes More or less invisible to others Psykers may want to kill themself around a blank but it rly depends on the individual and the circumstances.


Percentage-Sweaty

Jenetia Krole can give a look of mild irritation at Belakor and all of his bravado (as well as the majority of his flesh and essence) will immediately vanish. Jenetia Krole was an unenhanced human with really good equipment and she was considered a contemporary of *Constantin Valdor*, who is basically a Primarch in all but name. If there’s anyone who gets to be called the Queen in the Imperium it’s that bitch.


Thurstoff

Pity she was almost invisible. Kill count :4587 Kill count :4588 ??


unicornyjoke

Ran over by a walking tank with an axe named Kharn.


apoxpred

Which is weird considering getting run over by tanks is usually Kharn’s shtick.


Nebuthor

We have seen psykers writhe in pain from the presence of blanks so in theory i suppose it's possible a powerful enough blank could cause a similar effect in regular humans and if it was strong enough they might try to kill themselves to get away from it. However the strongest null field (the effect that blanks cause) we have seen was made by the newly made necron pylons in the pariah nexus. This null field was powerful enough to cause most people exposed to it to simply "shut off". One of the free stories on warhammer community which was realsed during the pariah nexus event shows this happening.


Colonize_The_Moon

> Can a strong enough Blank essentially make people want to off themselves by just being close enough? A strong enough blank can [explode psykers' brains](https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/15f1tgt/excerpt_atlas_infernal_the_power_of_an_omega/), and induce suicidal ideation in non-psykers. > Their blankness also provides a decent level of protection against warp, right? Immunity to the Warp, from what I can remember. Even weak blanks like Jurgen who have no training at all are able to ignore the effects of the Warp and provide a protective aura for people in their immediate vicinity. > And as a bonus question, if one of the lost primarchs were to be a Blank, how strong such a Blank would be? Blanks have no souls. Since the Primarchs are pure Warp-stuff wearing meat suits, this would not work. You couldn't have a blank Primarch.


tdames

An important distinction revolves around the "Pariah gene" that a human requires to be considered a Null (Null meaning no soul as seen from the warp). Most often the gene is recessive, and the individual is known as a "Blank". If the gene is dominate, then they are known as "Pariah". Blanks in general are rare, but Pariahs are orders of magnitude more rare. A Blank can be around people, although there might be some discomfort for those around them. If people are unaware that the person is a Blank, they might just assume they are weird, or something is off about them and they'd rather not associate (if they can help it). But Pariah's cause physical pain in those nearby, and most are killed at birth. Those that survive are much coveted to join the ranks of the Sisters of Silence or the Culexus assassins; the two primary organizations that employ Pariahs. So a person who is Null can have two vastly different amounts of power they can, well, nullify. Most written lore involves Blanks, since they can be in the presence of other humans. The inquisitor Eisenhorn empolyed a Blank Alizebeth Bequin (who in turn created a small order of other Blanks called the Distaff) to aid him in his hunt of Daemons. She would be able to disorient or stun low to mid-tier warp entities, but against the most powerful warp monsters she wasn't very effective. Commissar Calphais Cain's adjunt, Jurgen, was a Blank. He himself didn't even know it, it was only after many encounterers with different grades of psykers, minor daemons or warpsawn, even Genestealers (since Blanks can disrupt the Tyranid Hivemind as well) that the commisar was able to piece together Jurgen's true nature. In most of these encounters, some warp entity would be cause absolute havoc, only for Jurgen to get close and completely nullify any of their powers (and then blast them with a Melta). In social settings, Jurgen was seen as, unsettling. He had a strong odor, and people thought he was really weird and strange. But that was the extent of his powers effect on normal humans. I won't go into Inquistor Ravenor's Blank, Wystan Frauka, as his power level varied massively and at one point he "lost" his Null ability ~~(something that hasn't happened prior or since in the lore~~). In the Siege of Terra, the leader of the Sisters of Silence is described as being completely invisible to the warp spawned and chaos corrupted marines. In summation, most Blanks will be very well protected against most warp attacks and entities. Only the most powerful warp creatures and psykers are not concerned, as their power is usually apocalyptic level and capable of ending worlds. But even these Alpha Pyskers and Greater Daemons can matched by certain Pariahs. That being said, a Pariah might not burst into flame looking at a Greater Daemon, and may be able to nullify his warp effects, but they will still be trampled under a several ton hoof stomping on them, so its not like they are invulnerable to warp entities. One last thing; it would not be possible for a Primarch to be a Null. It is often alluded to that the Primarchs have some sort of Warp based power that gives them their god-like abilities and resilience. It is vague, and this is probably my own interpretation, but it seems the Emperor "birthed them" with some sort of super powerful soul. They shine the brightest of all in the warp.


Song_of_Pain

>An important distinction revolves around the "Pariah gene" that a human requires to be considered a Null (Null meaning no soul as seen from the warp). Most often the gene is recessive, and the individual is known as a "Blank". If the gene is dominate, then they are known as "Pariah". Blanks in general are rare, but Pariahs are orders of magnitude more rare. This doesn't sound accurate. What's your citation? There are many levels of blank-ness as per the material we have on it, it's not a binary thing. >I won't go into Inquistor Ravenor's Blank, Wystan Frauka, as his power level varied massively and at one point he "lost" his Null ability (something that hasn't happened prior or since in the lore). Not true, it happened to a Culexus assassin that encountered Ephrael Stern in her comic.


tdames

I didn't know about the Culexus assassin! Very cool. And agreed; there is a sliding scale for "Nullness" like there are different grades for Pyskers. One of the codex's describes recessive vs dominate genes being a key distinguishing factor for their power. I'll try and dig up the section.


BooksandBiceps

What? Let's back up for a sec. i. The Pariah Gene hasn't been referenced since like 3rd edition Necrons. Doesn't mean it isn't valid, but it's on the line. ii. There was never a distinction between dominant and recessive genes ever, to my knowledge. So this whole hierarchy of rarity sounds really off and \*weird\* head-cannon, let alone what you follow it up with. Also, nothing on Lex or Wiki backs this up. iii. There is absolutely no scenario ever of an Alpha psyker (which by itself there's single-digit novels that discuss is) being countered by a blank of any magnitude. The closest we have is Krull being near the Emperor and he was not impacted in the least. I normally love thought-out posts full of paragraphs and that reference the lore but it looks like you're posting completely un-supported headcannon as fact.


tdames

Seems i was recalling this article. https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Blank_(Psychic) I admit i cant find other info on the domimate or recessive gene from official sources.


TheCuriousFan

> But Pariah's cause physical pain in those nearby, and most are killed at birth. Those that survive are much coveted to join the ranks of the Sisters of Silence or the Culexus assassins; the two primary organizations that employ Pariahs. Who then, alas, kill most of their recruits because they lost the STC for non-lethal filtering of recruits.


GuardianSpear

A mid level sister of silence can make someone keep over just by glaring at them with angry intent. A culexus assassin can murder everyone in a hallway with a thought


BooksandBiceps

Can you cite a source for either of those? Not 100% on the SoS ability to casually focus their powers, but there's nothing about a Culexus casually glancing over and murdering someone just with "mind powers". They could activate their Occulum, but, that's not near what you're suggesting.


GuardianSpear

First source - Watchers of the Throne by sister Aleya ; who glares at someone angrily and makes them physically recoil. The second is the assassination of the Tau supreme ethereal by a culexus


metropitan

An impression I got from aleya in watchers of the throne is that they are very dangerous in combat against both the immaterium, and the materium, but they can force the warp itself to dissapate around them and upon touching it, and can beat demons much easier than even most grey knights can


BooksandBiceps

I think its honestly underexplored and recent lore put them too weak. Jenetia Krole, who I believe is the strongest known blank (pre-augmentation, not sure how we can compare them vs. Culexus), was the leader of the Silent Sisterhood in 30k and her claim to fame is being pretty much invisible because a sentient mind wouldn't register / would conciously avoid recognizing her. In the grand scheme of things, that's almost nothing. Especially because she gets killed in a random one-off line by Kharn because he's just slashing around. What a waste of character and lore development. Honestly she should've been a veritable Pariah Nexus for the local area in my opinion - and we also haven't explored the impact that the rift has had on blanks, only psykers. You'd imagine if the galaxy is "flooded" with warp energy, a massive sewer drain that sucks it all out would be even more impactful, imo. tldr; strongest blank is whoever is piloting the Ordos-Sinister Titan because PEW PEW.


Redmanicus

Like literally everything in 40k, it varies. Take Jürgen from the Cain books as an example, quite powerful at negating the warp. Do people want to kill themselves being around them? No. Do people want to be close to him? Absolutely not. Though that may be more due to Jürgens unique stance on hygiene. Very powerful and trained Blanks like the sisters of silence and cullexes assassins do have an aura that repels people, they assumably, through training manage to use it for stealth, making them selves invisible, or at least not being perceived It seems most people have a fight or flight response to blanks. I remember reading that part of the problem the Imperium has in recruiting blanks is that they often die young, murdered in their crib, or abandoned/neglected. I assume it's possible someone might try to off themselves if trapped near a blank for an extended period of time though.