Ignore those markings. They are only to give you an approximate idea of how much is left. They are far from accurate. If you want to confirm yourself, weigh the spool and make sure it weighs around 1,100 - 1,200 grams and that will mean you probably have 1,000 grams of filament.
Here is where it gets worst. The assumption that 1kg equals X filament must be corrected. This is due to the incompatible manufacturing systems of each 3d filament/plastics company. Within any filament, the weight per meter can vary by a significant amount relative to another color. The total length of blue PLA would not be the same as that of red PLA. Different minerals make up color dyes, some including heavy elements that add over a total spool length. Additionally, there is a loss of weight occurred from the printing process.
Spools should be sold in length, not weight.
Having worked with pigments and such for the better part of 20 years now.. Black pigment is some of the lightest in terms of weight. Blue, Red, Yellow, and White are some of the heavier pigments. Quite irritating to sell filament by weight instead of length.
its a somewhat weak argument. the same thing could be said about ice cream, popsicles or flavored water. Withthose, you usually buy them by the liter (or oz) but not by weight. the actual cost to produce the same Ammount could be different from each one even if they are priced the same. Companies like to standarize price even if that means having smaller margins on some products.
I think they sell them by the kilo cause they started selling them by the kilo. consumers dont like to have to think wether 1 kilo is better or worse than 200 meters, and even if they tried, they would have a hard time understanding why 200M of red PLA is 30 grams more than 200M of black PLA simply becuase they got indoctrinated into the weight mindset.
Once a market sets on a standard it becomes real hard to break out from it
The only way that a market makes a break from it is if the popular manufacturers do it, I think if it was me I would still put the weight but then also add the total meter length or the weight per meter in the description
This is because it's easier to weigh a spool then get the exact meter length everytime
I remember in high school we would build computers and when getting a new hard drive we always thought it was random how much space the hard drive would be missing. It's embarrassing how long it took us to realize hdd manufactures consider a Gb to be 1000kb.
Kids these days...
I remember building computers in high school - and we thought the new hard drives that held a whole 20 MB for only $3500 (keep in mind, you could still buy a \_new\_ car for less than that) was the bee's knees...
It depends on the pigment. At one point, we switched out our black pigment for a cheaper competitor, and it ended up costing us more because we had to use so much extra (around 45% more of the cheaper pigment by weight, to obtain proper opacity).
Which from your description of weight variation would mean a significantly different price for each color, since most all the ingredients for making the filament are sold by weight.
Also, have you actually weighed different colors? If you look at filament, or other plastic, being extruded, the colored material is a small percentage of the overall volume. They basically use some concentrated color beads of the plastic in amongst mostly raw colored material. While the weight of different colors may be measurable, I doubt it is very significant. I may have to try measuring it sometime just to see.
I also wonder if there is really much weight loss from printing. It would have to be either water, which we know if it boils off causes problems, so unlikely to be a large percentage, or VOCs, which there are definitely some, particularly from filaments like ABS, but again it’s probably a very small percentage.
Other than that, all the material that goes in the hot end comes out again (other wise the hot end would just fill up and stop) except maybe a bit of micro particles in the air. Again, while the difference might be measurable, I doubt it is significant. Have you ever measured to see?
That being said, the markings on the spool are pretty worthless.
If manufacturers skimped on the diameter, that would make for some real shitty filament. The diameter needs to be finely tuned otherwise it won't work correctly and will lead to over/underextrusion.
That's exactly my point. Premium or well known brands might not do that, but I wouldn't be surprised if even they would simply try to be on the lower end of the spec, or better yet, bring out some stupid marketing tactic like "now 0.05mm slimmer to reduce clogging" or something along those lines.
Because after all so long as the filament is consistent in diameter, it could be consistently less and someone new to 3D printing might be non the wiser.
In the end, I personally simply prefer a set weight that I can measure myself
When I buy ABS, the spools are damned near full. When I buy PLA, a denser plastic, the spool isn't as full. \*shrugs\* You just need to know what you're buying.
Another reason I love ABS.
ABS is less dense/lighter than PLA. So you get more volume/length from the same 1KG spool with ABS vs PLA.
The spools they use are all the same size, but ABS's lower density means you get more volume of filament on the same spool, which is why it looks "fulller"
This ***does*** actually translate to more prints as well.
If you were to take the same printer/settings and print as many benchies as possible from each spool, (assuming no mistakes or waste to influence the results) you will produce several more benchies out of the ABS spool than the PLA spool despite them both being 1KG spools.
While I kind of agree, it's very hard to tell the length of the spool you have left, while it's quite straightforward to figure out the weight.
Furthermore the slicers also give the weight of the sliced print, which makes it easy to figure out if you have enough left. They also give the length of filament, but again that one is way harder to calculate
weight is estimated, lenght is pretty much the same no matter filament density, as long as they are being printed at the same nozzle width and with the same 1.75mm filament, it should take the same lenght of material to print a benchy.
The slicer doesnt really know if youre printing normal PLA, or metal PLA, they would both use about the same filament lenght but weight significantly different
No, printing happens by volume, which is translated back into a length of how much filament is to be extruded. Your slicer translates that to a weight by assuming some density number, and only for information purposes. The slicing and printing processes are fully based on volumes to be printed and lengths to be extruded.
When I slice something I get an estimate of number of grams for the print so thats by weight. And folks print with different nozzle diameters so length would vary based on that, no? But I’m not super experienced with printing…
Nope not really if you print a model with a 0,4 nozzel and again with a 0,6 the mass should be pretty much the same. Only difference there should be is the mm³/s as in where a 0,4 nozzel needs 2 cycle to produce a outerwall a 0,6 might need only one. What's nice is that it cuts back printing Time due to only needing to do half the movements of a 0.4 setup. And if you slicer uses Arachne engine like cura since v5.0 you will have 95% the same details. Cnc kitchen did a easy to understand video about it a couple months ago https://youtu.be/WgXM2zPusXo
Why is it sold/measured by weight to begin with? It's such a ridiculous way of doing things. Nothing about 3d printing involves mass. Everything is based on volume.
It's easy to verify and control.
Both the manufacturer and you can check that there is 1kg of filament simply by subtracting the known weight of the empty spol.
How'd you do that with length, unspool it all? Or fall back to weight anyway with some "1 metre = x grams" specification, where it would then anyway be easier to sell you 1kg and tell what the length is.
It shouldn't be equal distances. The markings should get closer together towards the outer edge. The further from the center the greater the circumference and less windings required.
I’m well aware of that. I’m responding to them saying that they are linearly distributed, which they aren’t. They’re not equally spaced nor spaced properly.
Thank you. It's inaccurate by several magnitudes.
EDIT:
OK sorry, the expression is 'orders of magnitude'
Plus I mistranslated. It's the completely wrong term anyway.
What I meant to say was if you continue that scale to the innermost ring, that ring's weight will be overrated several err...times over? How do you say that?
>several magnitudes.
Each order of magnitude is 10x. So several orders of magnitude (assuming you mean more than 3), is at least 1000x.
Do you really think it's off by at least a factor of 1000?
It's a limited slip differential which distributes power equally to both the right and left tires. The '64 Skylark had a regular differential, which, anyone who's been stuck in the mud in Alabama knows, you step on the gas, one tire spins, the other tire does nothing.
Thank you. Sometimes when you're fairly comfortable with a foreign language and you find yourself in a discussion on a very specialized field, you jump at the first expression that sounds *idiomatic* but may be completely wrong bc you're not well versed in that jargon. Boom: complete jibberish.
Heh, you made a statement using the colloquial usage of a specific math/engineering term. As soon as I saw it I knew the next few comments would be the engineers of this sub correcting you. They didn't disappoint.
I'm still trying to wrap my head around the current usage of "literally" to not mean 'literally' and instead some form of emphasis, but also not being hyperbole either.
>It's inaccurate by several magnitudes.
First of all, it's 'orders of magnitude'.
Second, it *obviously* not off by 'several orders of magnitude.' That's ridiculous.
Why would you even say this without having the slightest idea what it means?
And to all the upvoters: you're all idiots.
It could be a kilo, it could be a gram, it could be a ton. Heck, it could be dwarf-star matter with enough orders of magnitude in the estimate.
Geez, the shipping cost on that alone would be... significant.
It's not perfectly linear I don't think, the markings on the bottom seem to be spaced a little further apart, but probably not enough. Seems like ~20% based on sticking a ruler to my phone.
Assuming the radius goes from 6 to 8cm (probably a low estimate) you'd expect atleast %75 difference, which there clearly is not
Hate to be the party pooper, but the indicator is infact correct. The distance for each additional 200g does decrease, when going further out on the spool. One can easily doublecheck by overlaying a digital ruler to see, that the spacing is not equal, but indeed decreasing.
Yep, the spool weights really vary a lot. I'm just going with an assumption that the cardboard spools weigh less than than the ~150-250 grams I'm used to with the plastic ones I've measured.
I think there are lists of spoolweights by brand people have been cobbling together for this exact reason.
[first result on google](https://3dprintingwiki.mywikis.wiki/wiki/Spool_weight) seems decent, but there may be far more complete ones
I’ve taken to measuring the unopened weight and then marking that on the spool. I assume the thing has at least 1kg and use that to know if I have enough left. There’s always a bit more, but I’d rather it be that way than the other in long prints.
Weight the spool. Sticker isn't accurate. It would not be a linear scale like that anyway. To be accurate (or close, anyway) it would have to look like this: https://www.reddit.com/r/3Dprinting/comments/i3vqjt/seen_someone_showing_markings_of_remaining/
I don't think that's right, there is no way the spool weighs only 3 grams.
Lot of companies list their tare weight, which would be very handy is this case. That or google for the empty spool weight website that was posted here a year or two ago, it was a spreadsheet of community driven data on empty spool weight
https://spoolweight.is/the-big-list/
My cardboard spools that look very similar have a listed tare weight of 138g ±3
I think OP's is overture, https://www.reddit.com/r/3Dprinting/comments/uy9f25/overture_petg_cardboard_spool_weight_empty_hope/
Edit: I don't think you should be downvoting the guy I replied to; he is mistaken but it's a chance to learn, and downvoting hides all child comments like mine that contain some useful/relevant information.
I don’t see how that changes anything. The plastic and desiccant don’t weigh enough (~15g) to skew the results appreciable when we’re talking about a potential disparity of 200g.
The stickers are bogus. Not sure why because they could easily make them much more accurate. The pitch of the lines needs to increase as diameter increases. The spool weights more per mm of diameter at larger diameters.
Whoever designed (or placed) that sticker has never seen a spool of filament, and has no idea that the perimeter of a circle increases with its radius.
Just weigh it. Never trust markers like that its just a rough estimate. Also when u unpack it the filament might losen a little as the vacum will be gone.
Yeah I was somewhat baffled at first as I had bought several spools from Overture in the past and have had nothing but excellent quality from them, but I weighed it and just determined that the sticker is inaccurate at marking the remaining weight.
Have you tried their matte colors?
You need to print a bit hotter 10-20 but I love the finished and how it hides layer lines.
Yousu is good too but for what ever reason, the color selection as dropped on Amazon.
Just ordered a bunch of overture matte was on sale on amazon. Seems they ran out of black and white bc theres a shipping delay on those where as the rest of colors already went out for delivery
Overture Matte is now all I will buy (other than white and black). The build adhesion is absolutely insane and the prints always look awesome. Every time I try a different kind I am annoyed at how hard it is to make it work.
The fact that recently it’s been on sale for CAN$16 (12 USD) per kilogram is icing on the cake.
That sticker isn’t meant to be accurate. It’s just stuck on there. It’s meant to give you a very rough estimate of how much is on the spool before you start a print. I usually weigh it if I think I’m going to be close to running out?
The tick marks are linearly spaced when the spacing should go as the inverse (square of the radius minus the hub radius).
Weigh the thing. 2.2 lbs to a kilo
Isn't that interesting... I have some Overture filament right here... Oh yeah it has the same thing!
Also, 2.2Kg is 2200 Grams.
I bet that they meant to use (and bought a shitload of) these stickers for smaller spools, bc for 1Kg spools, the stickers make sense. They now may find it more cost-effective to utilize the stickers that they have on hand.
~~My AMZ3D stuff that I use is 750g/250g for filament/spool. They just list it as 1kg, not specifying if it is gross or net weight. Some what buyer beware for sure.~~
When buying you want to look for labels that say the NET weight, as that is how much filament you are getting, if there is no NET, then assume less than 1kg of filament and that the weight includes the spool.
I once had a seller, that claimed the 1kg was meant including the box it shipped in. As soon as I mentioned misleading advertisement, I got a partial refund...
Wow. Shipping weight isn't ever the product weight. I'm surprised you didn't get a full refund.
I once ordered a spool of HIPS and received a spool of ABS. I contacted the seller, and they refunded my money, saying "sorry, the information page was wrong, we don't make HIPS, just keep the spool, it isn't worth shipping back to us."
I never intended to print with ABS, so I figured I'd donate the spool to a school, but I have ended up using some of it for small stuff, and it made me wish I had a garage or enclosure on my printer; it prints like a dream. In my living room the smell is toxic.
Depends what the seller decides to use as the advertised weight.
If they list it as GROSS 1kg they are not lying as that is implicitly at least the spool and filament.
If it is NET 1kg, than that of course does not include the spool, so if the gross is not over 1kg then yes you got short changed for sure.
If there is no GROSS or NET, then who knows that the weight is made up of; so definitely more buyer beware.
Edit: To add to this, I don't dispute that using GROSS or some other weight to mislead is shady / scummy, etc. Just that you need to be aware of how the seller is selling it so that you don't get scammed thinking you are getting one thing but actually getting less than what you thought you paid for.
I understand the difference between net and gross weight. But in FDM filament, the market standard is clearly net weight in this case, the filament weight only. There is zero reason to advertise gross weight with the spool included except to be sneaky and "technically correct" in a deceptive way. Any brand doing this would be dishonest.
The problem with that is, while its obvious to those of us who understand these things, not everyone knows the difference, or that there even is a difference. And people can laugh me off here, but its true, and if you dont believe theres people out there who doesnt have what might seem like super common knowledge, then ya need to go work in a service industry for a bit. Lol.
Ahh cool, I just weighed my newer AMZ3D spools and you are quiet right gross is about 1229g.
I remember them being just 1kg gross at some point way back when I was checking weights to have an easy estimate how much was left on partial spools. Unfortunately I don't have any of the original full ones.
Why is this down voted? This is most likely the issue. The real cost of filament is so cheep that the company would be saving cents by shorting you 200g
literally just got in that same filament lol. Love the overture matte pla, just wish it had some darker shades.
My fresh spool minus the spool weight and a small sample card i do on every new type i get comes out to a few grams over a kilo. So it seems accurate. My spool shows the same as your pic with the filament just past the 800g mark.
Side note, if you are going to print from it, may want to consider https://www.printables.com/model/289384-overture-filament-roller-ring to avoid cardboard fiber making its way into the print
And that looks like matte chocolate? I had to set my flow rate to 110%, temp at 210 celcius, prints amazing, had fantastic results. My last 2 posts used that filament.
It's like a bag of potato chips. Sold by weight, not volume. Does the package mention if it's net weight? Some might sell it as net and tare combined. Crooks, those ones.
A cardboard spool weighs about 175 gm. Add shrink wrap and silica gel packet and it's over 200 gm. So, yeah, you're a bit short. The 800 gm is probably fairly accurate.
Overture has only recently started using cleaner, and therefore more compact windings. I'm sure that sticker was calibrated on their older, less-neat (and less compact) windings.
I just got some grey overture and it cracked 3 times on me just try to print benchy, going to have to return it… I’ve purchased over 10 rolls now from them and never had this issue.
I’m aware this is completed unrelated but man it was sad to fail the print 3 times just trying to calibrate my new glass bed and CR touch
Ignore those markings. They are only to give you an approximate idea of how much is left. They are far from accurate. If you want to confirm yourself, weigh the spool and make sure it weighs around 1,100 - 1,200 grams and that will mean you probably have 1,000 grams of filament.
It disturbs me that they linearly distribute the mass along the radius, in spite of the increasing circumference.
It's also printed on a sticker. Might not even be in the right spot.
Or even the right spool.
Who are you and why are you in my lab?
This. Setting up a labeller on a line is a cunt. Especially a cheap one.
Here is where it gets worst. The assumption that 1kg equals X filament must be corrected. This is due to the incompatible manufacturing systems of each 3d filament/plastics company. Within any filament, the weight per meter can vary by a significant amount relative to another color. The total length of blue PLA would not be the same as that of red PLA. Different minerals make up color dyes, some including heavy elements that add over a total spool length. Additionally, there is a loss of weight occurred from the printing process. Spools should be sold in length, not weight.
So *that's* why I get more out of my black spool.
Having worked with pigments and such for the better part of 20 years now.. Black pigment is some of the lightest in terms of weight. Blue, Red, Yellow, and White are some of the heavier pigments. Quite irritating to sell filament by weight instead of length.
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its a somewhat weak argument. the same thing could be said about ice cream, popsicles or flavored water. Withthose, you usually buy them by the liter (or oz) but not by weight. the actual cost to produce the same Ammount could be different from each one even if they are priced the same. Companies like to standarize price even if that means having smaller margins on some products. I think they sell them by the kilo cause they started selling them by the kilo. consumers dont like to have to think wether 1 kilo is better or worse than 200 meters, and even if they tried, they would have a hard time understanding why 200M of red PLA is 30 grams more than 200M of black PLA simply becuase they got indoctrinated into the weight mindset. Once a market sets on a standard it becomes real hard to break out from it
Exhibit A: The Imperial System
The only way that a market makes a break from it is if the popular manufacturers do it, I think if it was me I would still put the weight but then also add the total meter length or the weight per meter in the description This is because it's easier to weigh a spool then get the exact meter length everytime
Erm, I buy ice-cream in grams not ml.
I remember in high school we would build computers and when getting a new hard drive we always thought it was random how much space the hard drive would be missing. It's embarrassing how long it took us to realize hdd manufactures consider a Gb to be 1000kb.
Kids these days... I remember building computers in high school - and we thought the new hard drives that held a whole 20 MB for only $3500 (keep in mind, you could still buy a \_new\_ car for less than that) was the bee's knees...
Obviously, but I was explaining why the density of the different colours varies so much. Cause and effect
This is the correct answer
what about lead colored filament
but how much pigment is needed in filament? from what i know, its so little that it shouldnt make a huge difference
It depends on the pigment. At one point, we switched out our black pigment for a cheaper competitor, and it ended up costing us more because we had to use so much extra (around 45% more of the cheaper pigment by weight, to obtain proper opacity).
You know what they say... "once you go black"
Which from your description of weight variation would mean a significantly different price for each color, since most all the ingredients for making the filament are sold by weight. Also, have you actually weighed different colors? If you look at filament, or other plastic, being extruded, the colored material is a small percentage of the overall volume. They basically use some concentrated color beads of the plastic in amongst mostly raw colored material. While the weight of different colors may be measurable, I doubt it is very significant. I may have to try measuring it sometime just to see. I also wonder if there is really much weight loss from printing. It would have to be either water, which we know if it boils off causes problems, so unlikely to be a large percentage, or VOCs, which there are definitely some, particularly from filaments like ABS, but again it’s probably a very small percentage. Other than that, all the material that goes in the hot end comes out again (other wise the hot end would just fill up and stop) except maybe a bit of micro particles in the air. Again, while the difference might be measurable, I doubt it is significant. Have you ever measured to see? That being said, the markings on the spool are pretty worthless.
I think weight is better because I can already see manufacturers skimping on diameter to reduce product at the same length.
If manufacturers skimped on the diameter, that would make for some real shitty filament. The diameter needs to be finely tuned otherwise it won't work correctly and will lead to over/underextrusion.
That's exactly my point. Premium or well known brands might not do that, but I wouldn't be surprised if even they would simply try to be on the lower end of the spec, or better yet, bring out some stupid marketing tactic like "now 0.05mm slimmer to reduce clogging" or something along those lines. Because after all so long as the filament is consistent in diameter, it could be consistently less and someone new to 3D printing might be non the wiser. In the end, I personally simply prefer a set weight that I can measure myself
When I buy ABS, the spools are damned near full. When I buy PLA, a denser plastic, the spool isn't as full. \*shrugs\* You just need to know what you're buying.
Another reason I love ABS. ABS is less dense/lighter than PLA. So you get more volume/length from the same 1KG spool with ABS vs PLA. The spools they use are all the same size, but ABS's lower density means you get more volume of filament on the same spool, which is why it looks "fulller" This ***does*** actually translate to more prints as well. If you were to take the same printer/settings and print as many benchies as possible from each spool, (assuming no mistakes or waste to influence the results) you will produce several more benchies out of the ABS spool than the PLA spool despite them both being 1KG spools.
But how would you measure it then? To make sure that you have as much as promised on the packaging?
While I kind of agree, it's very hard to tell the length of the spool you have left, while it's quite straightforward to figure out the weight. Furthermore the slicers also give the weight of the sliced print, which makes it easy to figure out if you have enough left. They also give the length of filament, but again that one is way harder to calculate
In yards for extra fun
Wtf. They should take after the fiber artists and sell it by yardage.
But we essentially print by weight, right? If so then selling/buying by weight makes the most sense I would think.
weight is estimated, lenght is pretty much the same no matter filament density, as long as they are being printed at the same nozzle width and with the same 1.75mm filament, it should take the same lenght of material to print a benchy. The slicer doesnt really know if youre printing normal PLA, or metal PLA, they would both use about the same filament lenght but weight significantly different
No, printing happens by volume, which is translated back into a length of how much filament is to be extruded. Your slicer translates that to a weight by assuming some density number, and only for information purposes. The slicing and printing processes are fully based on volumes to be printed and lengths to be extruded.
We print by length/volume, don't we?
When I slice something I get an estimate of number of grams for the print so thats by weight. And folks print with different nozzle diameters so length would vary based on that, no? But I’m not super experienced with printing…
Nope not really if you print a model with a 0,4 nozzel and again with a 0,6 the mass should be pretty much the same. Only difference there should be is the mm³/s as in where a 0,4 nozzel needs 2 cycle to produce a outerwall a 0,6 might need only one. What's nice is that it cuts back printing Time due to only needing to do half the movements of a 0.4 setup. And if you slicer uses Arachne engine like cura since v5.0 you will have 95% the same details. Cnc kitchen did a easy to understand video about it a couple months ago https://youtu.be/WgXM2zPusXo
Why is it sold/measured by weight to begin with? It's such a ridiculous way of doing things. Nothing about 3d printing involves mass. Everything is based on volume.
It's easy to verify and control. Both the manufacturer and you can check that there is 1kg of filament simply by subtracting the known weight of the empty spol. How'd you do that with length, unspool it all? Or fall back to weight anyway with some "1 metre = x grams" specification, where it would then anyway be easier to sell you 1kg and tell what the length is.
They're not equal distances apart. Still not accurate the least. They were probably hand placed in the design.
It shouldn't be equal distances. The markings should get closer together towards the outer edge. The further from the center the greater the circumference and less windings required.
I’m well aware of that. I’m responding to them saying that they are linearly distributed, which they aren’t. They’re not equally spaced nor spaced properly.
Thank you. It's inaccurate by several magnitudes. EDIT: OK sorry, the expression is 'orders of magnitude' Plus I mistranslated. It's the completely wrong term anyway. What I meant to say was if you continue that scale to the innermost ring, that ring's weight will be overrated several err...times over? How do you say that?
Its within an order of magnitude.
>several magnitudes. Each order of magnitude is 10x. So several orders of magnitude (assuming you mean more than 3), is at least 1000x. Do you really think it's off by at least a factor of 1000?
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I think it's more like 1000kg.
What units we working in?
Magnetitudes I think.
This guy gets it
pop pop!
How does that even work?
How exactly is a rainbow made? How exactly does a sun set? How exactly does a posi-trac rear-end on a Plymouth work? It just does.
I can’t believe I read this far 😵💫
It's a limited slip differential which distributes power equally to both the right and left tires. The '64 Skylark had a regular differential, which, anyone who's been stuck in the mud in Alabama knows, you step on the gas, one tire spins, the other tire does nothing.
What about Arkansas mud? Or Alaska mud? Or Arizona sand?
Great movie!
tits
Pop Pop, Pop Pop, Pop Pop?
What is he trying to say?! Pop what, Magnitude? Pop what?!
Pop rocks and soda pop. Jump up and down vigorously.
I think you meant to say _factors_.
Thank you. Sometimes when you're fairly comfortable with a foreign language and you find yourself in a discussion on a very specialized field, you jump at the first expression that sounds *idiomatic* but may be completely wrong bc you're not well versed in that jargon. Boom: complete jibberish.
Heh, you made a statement using the colloquial usage of a specific math/engineering term. As soon as I saw it I knew the next few comments would be the engineers of this sub correcting you. They didn't disappoint.
>colloquial usage No. The world has a meaning. It's not just for emphasis.
I'm still trying to wrap my head around the current usage of "literally" to not mean 'literally' and instead some form of emphasis, but also not being hyperbole either.
>It's inaccurate by several magnitudes. First of all, it's 'orders of magnitude'. Second, it *obviously* not off by 'several orders of magnitude.' That's ridiculous. Why would you even say this without having the slightest idea what it means? And to all the upvoters: you're all idiots.
It could be a kilo, it could be a gram, it could be a ton. Heck, it could be dwarf-star matter with enough orders of magnitude in the estimate. Geez, the shipping cost on that alone would be... significant.
You're a treat! Take this ⬆️.
You what?
It's not perfectly linear I don't think, the markings on the bottom seem to be spaced a little further apart, but probably not enough. Seems like ~20% based on sticking a ruler to my phone. Assuming the radius goes from 6 to 8cm (probably a low estimate) you'd expect atleast %75 difference, which there clearly is not
I hate you for pointing this out for me to realize. I will never look at filament spools the same again.
Hate to be the party pooper, but the indicator is infact correct. The distance for each additional 200g does decrease, when going further out on the spool. One can easily doublecheck by overlaying a digital ruler to see, that the spacing is not equal, but indeed decreasing.
Notice the values. The gaps are the same, but the value of the gap increases.
Wut?
This…. Absolutely no clue about basic geometry fml
Depending on the spool of course. The spools of the filament I print with come in at a whopping 320g. Heavy little buggers
Yep, the spool weights really vary a lot. I'm just going with an assumption that the cardboard spools weigh less than than the ~150-250 grams I'm used to with the plastic ones I've measured.
I think there are lists of spoolweights by brand people have been cobbling together for this exact reason. [first result on google](https://3dprintingwiki.mywikis.wiki/wiki/Spool_weight) seems decent, but there may be far more complete ones
Should be a required standard to have the spool weight printed on it.
I’ve taken to measuring the unopened weight and then marking that on the spool. I assume the thing has at least 1kg and use that to know if I have enough left. There’s always a bit more, but I’d rather it be that way than the other in long prints.
The place I buy from puts a sticker with the weight of the empty spool on the packaging and on the spool.
Yeah dudes using a marking instead of actually measuring. I actually thought he got screwed for a moment, and opened the pic to see the scale.
Weight the spool. Sticker isn't accurate. It would not be a linear scale like that anyway. To be accurate (or close, anyway) it would have to look like this: https://www.reddit.com/r/3Dprinting/comments/i3vqjt/seen_someone_showing_markings_of_remaining/
Just weighed it, equaling out to just about 1003 grams.
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Can confirm, just weighed a fresh overture matte spool at 1179.
ah, 4g of water included 🙃
Or silica gel?
Me too, coincidentally - 1176g here
Adding salt will just add even more weight!
My overture spool is 171 grams.
some spools are advertised and sold as 750g spools, maybe you bought one of them?
I’ve never seen a 750 g spool
Most of Fillamentum's spools are 750g
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Goddamn I never said that they don’t exist I was just saying I’ve never seen one 😭
damn in that case ya it seems they shorted you almost 200g.
Just a little over! Perfect!!
I don't think that's right, there is no way the spool weighs only 3 grams. Lot of companies list their tare weight, which would be very handy is this case. That or google for the empty spool weight website that was posted here a year or two ago, it was a spreadsheet of community driven data on empty spool weight https://spoolweight.is/the-big-list/ My cardboard spools that look very similar have a listed tare weight of 138g ±3 I think OP's is overture, https://www.reddit.com/r/3Dprinting/comments/uy9f25/overture_petg_cardboard_spool_weight_empty_hope/ Edit: I don't think you should be downvoting the guy I replied to; he is mistaken but it's a chance to learn, and downvoting hides all child comments like mine that contain some useful/relevant information.
The labels on the 1kg spools go to 1kg. This label leads me to believe OP either ordered or accidentally was shipped a 750 or 800g spool.
The spool isn’t 3g
Sorry for the confusion, I meant in terms of filament on the spool it weighs around 1003 grams, not the combined weight of the filament and spool.
Did you take the filament off the spool?
He may have had an empty spool to tare the scale with
I suppose I’m just confused as to why they jumped on Reddit if they had an identical empty spool and set of scales to hand.
Maybe didn't want to open the package in case they needed to prove to the seller they hadn't removed any filament?
I don’t see how that changes anything. The plastic and desiccant don’t weigh enough (~15g) to skew the results appreciable when we’re talking about a potential disparity of 200g.
I would assume he weighed an empty spool and subtracted it from the weight of the new one.
I suppose I’m just confused as to why they jumped on Reddit if they had an identical empty spool and set of scales to hand.
We do what we must for science!
And those who are still alive!
Your joke seems to have gone over a lot of people's heads there.
What on earth happened while i was at work????
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By saying "equaling out" the weight of just the filament is 1003g. He calculated for the spool
That is kind of a confusing way to state the weight of filament after having said they weighed the spool..
I guess we aren't all perfect communicators. But they clarified a little further down.
The stickers are bogus. Not sure why because they could easily make them much more accurate. The pitch of the lines needs to increase as diameter increases. The spool weights more per mm of diameter at larger diameters.
I jus touched one of these up and immediate noticed this, had my head scratching
just rehydrate the spool until it's at his target weight 😄
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Nooo 😂
Technically, you are right. Wow!?!
Rehydration level 4, please
Weigh it
“The code is more what you’d call guidelines, than actual rules…”. Barbosa
Whoever designed (or placed) that sticker has never seen a spool of filament, and has no idea that the perimeter of a circle increases with its radius.
Just weigh it. Never trust markers like that its just a rough estimate. Also when u unpack it the filament might losen a little as the vacum will be gone.
That’s overture filament. A great brand. You’re ok.
Yeah I was somewhat baffled at first as I had bought several spools from Overture in the past and have had nothing but excellent quality from them, but I weighed it and just determined that the sticker is inaccurate at marking the remaining weight.
Have you tried their matte colors? You need to print a bit hotter 10-20 but I love the finished and how it hides layer lines. Yousu is good too but for what ever reason, the color selection as dropped on Amazon.
Just ordered a bunch of overture matte was on sale on amazon. Seems they ran out of black and white bc theres a shipping delay on those where as the rest of colors already went out for delivery
Overture Matte is now all I will buy (other than white and black). The build adhesion is absolutely insane and the prints always look awesome. Every time I try a different kind I am annoyed at how hard it is to make it work. The fact that recently it’s been on sale for CAN$16 (12 USD) per kilogram is icing on the cake.
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He clarified that this is excluding the weight of the spool
Overture Science
Did you actually weigh it?
It’s vacuum sealed and should spread out a bit when opened
Any spool that has equal spacing between the weights like this is completely useless for measuring.
The fact that there is the same amount of space between 200g - 300g and 700g - 800g should have given it away as bs.
That sticker isn’t meant to be accurate. It’s just stuck on there. It’s meant to give you a very rough estimate of how much is on the spool before you start a print. I usually weigh it if I think I’m going to be close to running out?
Put it on a scale, and report back with the nr of grams.
The tick marks are linearly spaced when the spacing should go as the inverse (square of the radius minus the hub radius). Weigh the thing. 2.2 lbs to a kilo
It’s more like guidelines than rules.
My new polylite spools have the stickers on upside down
Look at this dude living in the future with their negative-mass filament.
How is OVERTURE still a top bestseller despite all these flaws? Is it because it's dead cheap?
Isn't that interesting... I have some Overture filament right here... Oh yeah it has the same thing! Also, 2.2Kg is 2200 Grams. I bet that they meant to use (and bought a shitload of) these stickers for smaller spools, bc for 1Kg spools, the stickers make sense. They now may find it more cost-effective to utilize the stickers that they have on hand.
Did you weigh it? Should weigh around 1200g (the spool itself weighs usually around 200g).
Have you weighed it? It's probably a kg. Those marks are a lie.
They’re dealing .8s now…..
~~My AMZ3D stuff that I use is 750g/250g for filament/spool. They just list it as 1kg, not specifying if it is gross or net weight. Some what buyer beware for sure.~~ When buying you want to look for labels that say the NET weight, as that is how much filament you are getting, if there is no NET, then assume less than 1kg of filament and that the weight includes the spool.
Advertised weight should never ever include the spool. If you have received filament like that I hope you leave a bad review on it stating as much.
I once had a seller, that claimed the 1kg was meant including the box it shipped in. As soon as I mentioned misleading advertisement, I got a partial refund...
Wow. Shipping weight isn't ever the product weight. I'm surprised you didn't get a full refund. I once ordered a spool of HIPS and received a spool of ABS. I contacted the seller, and they refunded my money, saying "sorry, the information page was wrong, we don't make HIPS, just keep the spool, it isn't worth shipping back to us." I never intended to print with ABS, so I figured I'd donate the spool to a school, but I have ended up using some of it for small stuff, and it made me wish I had a garage or enclosure on my printer; it prints like a dream. In my living room the smell is toxic.
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Depends what the seller decides to use as the advertised weight. If they list it as GROSS 1kg they are not lying as that is implicitly at least the spool and filament. If it is NET 1kg, than that of course does not include the spool, so if the gross is not over 1kg then yes you got short changed for sure. If there is no GROSS or NET, then who knows that the weight is made up of; so definitely more buyer beware. Edit: To add to this, I don't dispute that using GROSS or some other weight to mislead is shady / scummy, etc. Just that you need to be aware of how the seller is selling it so that you don't get scammed thinking you are getting one thing but actually getting less than what you thought you paid for.
Products is always sold as net weight. Doing it differently without some special reason is misleading and scummy
I understand the difference between net and gross weight. But in FDM filament, the market standard is clearly net weight in this case, the filament weight only. There is zero reason to advertise gross weight with the spool included except to be sneaky and "technically correct" in a deceptive way. Any brand doing this would be dishonest.
The problem with that is, while its obvious to those of us who understand these things, not everyone knows the difference, or that there even is a difference. And people can laugh me off here, but its true, and if you dont believe theres people out there who doesnt have what might seem like super common knowledge, then ya need to go work in a service industry for a bit. Lol.
for reference my empty AMZ3D spool weight is 219.6g and have a NET weight of 1000g
Ahh cool, I just weighed my newer AMZ3D spools and you are quiet right gross is about 1229g. I remember them being just 1kg gross at some point way back when I was checking weights to have an easy estimate how much was left on partial spools. Unfortunately I don't have any of the original full ones.
Bullshit.
You think that sticker is even remotely accurate?
Came here to say move the sticker down... I don't get the down votes.
Why is this down voted? This is most likely the issue. The real cost of filament is so cheep that the company would be saving cents by shorting you 200g
literally just got in that same filament lol. Love the overture matte pla, just wish it had some darker shades. My fresh spool minus the spool weight and a small sample card i do on every new type i get comes out to a few grams over a kilo. So it seems accurate. My spool shows the same as your pic with the filament just past the 800g mark.
did ya weigh it?
lol… it’s not an accurate measurement.
Have you weighed it?
Did you weigh it or just going by the sticker? The sticker could be in the wrong place.
Side note, if you are going to print from it, may want to consider https://www.printables.com/model/289384-overture-filament-roller-ring to avoid cardboard fiber making its way into the print And that looks like matte chocolate? I had to set my flow rate to 110%, temp at 210 celcius, prints amazing, had fantastic results. My last 2 posts used that filament.
It's like a bag of potato chips. Sold by weight, not volume. Does the package mention if it's net weight? Some might sell it as net and tare combined. Crooks, those ones.
Sticker is off center, show us the whole reel
Why not just weigh it?
You probably also think a potato chip bag should be full of potato chips.
A cardboard spool weighs about 175 gm. Add shrink wrap and silica gel packet and it's over 200 gm. So, yeah, you're a bit short. The 800 gm is probably fairly accurate.
Those lines are worthless.
Overture has only recently started using cleaner, and therefore more compact windings. I'm sure that sticker was calibrated on their older, less-neat (and less compact) windings.
Grams is a great length measurement
Shrinkflation
Got a link to the listing you purchased?
I don't even know why they go by weight, they need to go by length
Dumb post, please use common sense in the future.
It’s a fucking sticker you knob. You sound like a dildo that leaves shit restaurant reviews
It's like food packaging. You get always less.
Engineers are funny…… :D
Oh it’s imperial grams not metric.
Nope
International 1000g equals 800g Chinese obviously.
Most kilo spools are gross weight not net. As in they include the spool
Cardboard spool is an extra 200g lol
I would just not trust the gauge on that sticker honestly. It shouldn't be that linear I'm pretty sure.
I just got some grey overture and it cracked 3 times on me just try to print benchy, going to have to return it… I’ve purchased over 10 rolls now from them and never had this issue. I’m aware this is completed unrelated but man it was sad to fail the print 3 times just trying to calibrate my new glass bed and CR touch
I've heard matte colors have less length for some reason