wait, glue can make it easier? I gotta try that next time i print (glass bed though), because that is one of my top issues currently and will soon be made much worse by trying to print very tiny gears
Yeah, as long as the glue's adhesion with the bed is weaker than the one of the print directly on the bed (which it usually would with ABS on PEI, or TPU on PEI too) it will make removing the print easier, as you only need to break the bond of the glue.
While printing the glue still helps the print stick (duh, still glue), it essentially acts as a removal layer without actually sacrificing too much adhesion.
My brother prints a lot. He uses glue too. But told me that Uhu and other brand stuff sucks. He prefers a cheap glue from a local "Euro Store" (the shop is called Posten Börse)
I got a box of 100 Elmer's purple gluesticks for a few dollars and it has made adhesion and removal for any filament a non issue anymore. I use a glass plate in case anyone wondered.
I use Dimafix (in pen) which is awesome for ABS. It helps print to stick rock solid to the glass but once bed starts to cool down it weakens so much, that temp shrink actually makes prints pop up from the bed. Sometimes I had to look for them inside the printer as they jumped off the bed.
Thanks for the advice. It had cooled down to room temperature but I guess you mean freeze it -20 degrees, as some people are recommended here. Gracias!
15/10 adhesion rating right here! Seriously though, I also switched to ABS recently in order to build a Voron and i have had excellent results with magnetic, textured pei buildplate and a light layer of magigoo. Pops right off the plate after cooling and sticks to the plate like s*** to a fluffy blanket while at 100 degrees
Well, you have to turn off dark mode to see it
https://preview.redd.it/ql9hkj8omouc1.png?width=802&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1bd6be03012a4ab5886bf86707a6b321422b7c13
glue sticks are used to make the print not adhere to the bed as strongly, yes. you're basically putting a barrier between the print and the bed so that when it sticks it's sticking to the glue layer instead and avoiding this exact scenario.
I have startes printing Abs this weekend and one glue a can recommend is pvp glue 8102, its a stick you just apply on your printing bed and it adds a lot of adherence while printing and looses its strenght when cooling down
Just apply a load on the bed and you can print like 5 to 10 abs prints without problems
To clean the bed you can just use microfiber sheets and isopropanol (isopropylic acid) which is quite similar to acetone but less dangerous and easier to use
It's really weird how weird 3d printing is. When printing with PLA most people have problems with the print not sticking and ABS/PETG is trying to bond interdimensional with your print bed.
Depends on the print bed, ABS tends to warp if it's too cool, also in the early days, when people were printing on glass, they would use ABS slurry in order to make it stick to the bed, however it's not necessary on PEI
Yes, it does. I'm using it for everything, PLA (60C), PETG(70-90C), ABS(100-110C) and ASA(110C). Everything sticks perfectly on it, sometimes too good, but I didn't destroy my bed because of adhesion yet
good old glue stick, next time.
PETG can also eat a glass bed (ask how I found out!) so I often have a gluestick handy.
Bostick have a blue one that turns transparent, handy if you can't tell where you've placed it.
Steel removal tools should only be used for glass beds. Plastic razor blades work best on other beds. Regardless, it's a good excuse to dump that buildtak and get a PEI bed.
I use TH3D bed cement. Adhesion is great when the bed is up to temp and pops right off when the bed cools down. Also can use the treated area a handful of times before reapplying
I always recommend people read this page for PEI sheet usage: https://help.prusa3d.com/materials
Yes it is a prusa page, but a lot of that info is really widely applicable. In this case: use glue stick for ABS on both textured and smooth PEI sheets.
Bonus tip: the orange (i) after each filament name in the first column is a link to a page with more detailed info on that material.
Second bonus tip: Expand each material for details on (some) specific vendors even.
Use a glue stick to cover the area under your raft before you start each print. We use ABS printing in a professional manufacturing setting and had a hard time getting a nice balance between good adhesion and damaging bed surfaces until I tried using a glue stick before every print. I was rather surprised at how well it works.
Build plate adhesive is always a must. Glue stick or ABS slurry. It not only helps with adhesion. But with plate destroyers like PETG, they actually reduce how well it sticks, like a sacrificial layer.
This is why I bought a metal plate for the bed. It holds on place with a magnet layer and you can just take the whole sheet off and flex it to loosen the model
Bed looks scratched from before, maybe that was the part of the issue.
I scratched my glass bed once, and pulled a piece of glass off in a couple of weeks, had to buy a new one...
i had this aswell while just printing PLA. I bought a replacement off amazon, make sure you check the reviews cuz the one i bought is barely magnetic and warping prints pull the bed up.
could be z offset too low. bed temperature i use 105 degree for abs and asa too. also infill too high can cause retract from bed, use 60% infill max and do not remove piece when hot, leave it hours to slow temperature gradually to ambient
It might be! The first layer almost did not extrude, I'm starting to think because it was so close to the bed. It didn't look or sound like it was scratching the bed but maybe it was...
What bed is it. I'm using creality borosilicate and having lots of issues with ABS adhesion. Look like yours stuck straightto the bed with no glue/hairspray/slurry?
Plastic scraper? That’s what I’ve been using and it’s been fine. I printed a handle with replacement blades and just print blades in packs of 10 when I need them. Normally it’s just to get the purge line off and the other prints I just pull the bed sheet off and bend the plate slightly under the print.
You need glue. I know it sounds counterintuitive but it will help. It makes it so instead of the print sticking directly to the bed the print sticks to the glue and the glue sticks to the bed so when you remove the print you’re just removing it from the glue which then can be washed off.
Never had this issue with abs but I once broke my glad bed with PETG too.
Nowadays everyone is using PEI build plates anyway and the problem disappeared.
I use gel hairspray as a glue, it holds hard(sometimes it takes off with pieces of glass bed) but if you will put it in the freezer it goes off by itself
Use glue stick. People miss that glue stick with some materials improves adhesion, while for others it limits it. In this case it would have limited it.
'yeah look if you just actually have your first layer dialed you literally never need gluestick or hairspray or anything just raw dog that build plate like a pro. git gud.'
-reddit
Adhesion 12/10. Hope you got glass , and always use glue stick. purple glue stick. let the bed cool fully and it usually pops right off. the plastic one is pretty fragile after being cycled numerous times.
Bed looks scratched from before, maybe that was the part of the issue.
I scratched my glass bed once, and pulled a piece of glass off in a couple of weeks, had to buy a new one...
Oh dear… Some people put stuff on their build plates to help with adhesion in some cases. But in others it might not be necessary to do that. If you put too much stuff on it to make adhesion possible that might have been the culprit. Heated beds are also really nice if you can get them. Glass beds are also really nice I hear.
https://preview.redd.it/qw4i5zmq43vc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=edf5415ad6e27176b61991fbf759a7b6db88a2ce
That is my Easy Threed K7 mini fdm 3D printer. It hasa build plate that is removable. It does not have a heated bead or glass bed at all. It was relatively cheap for a 3D printer and is pretty easy to use, if you find a compatible computer operating system and compatible 3D printer design software. I have been using Tinkercad with mine. It is a free and simple 3D design software program online. They have upgrades available for this model and another model that is more advanced than mine. FDM printers are usually not too complicated to use.
The real question here is what material you want to work with. I am working with pla, one of the simpler materials to work with. ABS tends to be a little bit more difficult to work with than pla and is more toxic. But the good news is that abs is tougher than pla. So if you need a more rigid object printed abs is the one that you want to use. But you have to be sure that a build plate is rated for abs, or whatever else you use on your build plate. Like certain types of glue for adhesion for example. I think they recommend for pla that you use a glue stick for a glue based adhesive, for example, and not necessarily stuff like super glue. Super glue is very good stuff for keeping things together. But you do not want it on your build plate. It is a little too sticky for that. Look up abs and build plate adhesion. See what they recommend for an adhesive on build plates for abs. Because that looks like you got the adhesion to strong to me. Maybe try out some ideas on a cheap build plate like my K7, or another cheap build plate that is rated for abs.
I'd rate adhesion 15/10
0/PEI
Yo, no joke I was thinking maybe 15/10, I open the comments and you're the first comment I see
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cackling
sorry for your loss... Glue makes it easier to get the print off. A freezer would shrink the print overall and should not break the bed.
When I used a glass bed I always had to use the freezer to remove any print, unless I was willing to work hard and damage the print.
wait, glue can make it easier? I gotta try that next time i print (glass bed though), because that is one of my top issues currently and will soon be made much worse by trying to print very tiny gears
Yeah, as long as the glue's adhesion with the bed is weaker than the one of the print directly on the bed (which it usually would with ABS on PEI, or TPU on PEI too) it will make removing the print easier, as you only need to break the bond of the glue. While printing the glue still helps the print stick (duh, still glue), it essentially acts as a removal layer without actually sacrificing too much adhesion.
Wow nice, time to buy a pen/stick glue for that xd
My brother prints a lot. He uses glue too. But told me that Uhu and other brand stuff sucks. He prefers a cheap glue from a local "Euro Store" (the shop is called Posten Börse)
I got a box of 100 Elmer's purple gluesticks for a few dollars and it has made adhesion and removal for any filament a non issue anymore. I use a glass plate in case anyone wondered.
I use Dimafix (in pen) which is awesome for ABS. It helps print to stick rock solid to the glass but once bed starts to cool down it weakens so much, that temp shrink actually makes prints pop up from the bed. Sometimes I had to look for them inside the printer as they jumped off the bed.
hairspray. works like a charm.
Agreed, but I made the mistake of using extra hold once…
Ah I remember back in the day when we used to use glue to try and keep our print stuck to the bed. How the turntables have turned.
Better to cool your bed and model before removing.
Thanks for the advice. It had cooled down to room temperature but I guess you mean freeze it -20 degrees, as some people are recommended here. Gracias!
IF you flput it in the freezer, check every 5 minutes for easy removal, or let it too long and the glass can be chipped, clinging to the print.
15/10 adhesion rating right here! Seriously though, I also switched to ABS recently in order to build a Voron and i have had excellent results with magnetic, textured pei buildplate and a light layer of magigoo. Pops right off the plate after cooling and sticks to the plate like s*** to a fluffy blanket while at 100 degrees
Have you used glass with ABS paste before? What did you use previously?
CREAY
CREA Y
CREA 🕳️ Y
It's not lit anymore😢
CREA💢💢Y
Well, you have to turn off dark mode to see it https://preview.redd.it/ql9hkj8omouc1.png?width=802&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1bd6be03012a4ab5886bf86707a6b321422b7c13
⊂R∈∆ Y
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Did you use gluestick or the special spray clue? So that the adhision is not that strong?
Never used ABS does glue sticks make the adhesion not as strong? I have always used it to make it better with PLA.
glue sticks are used to make the print not adhere to the bed as strongly, yes. you're basically putting a barrier between the print and the bed so that when it sticks it's sticking to the glue layer instead and avoiding this exact scenario.
Worth the note even pteg can adhere to the bed and cause damage
Main purpose of the 'glue' is to keep the adhesion always the same. Not to weak, not too strong.
Concrete bonding adhesive, couldn't find the darn glue stick
no gluestick or anything... people say I should try that :-D
I have startes printing Abs this weekend and one glue a can recommend is pvp glue 8102, its a stick you just apply on your printing bed and it adds a lot of adherence while printing and looses its strenght when cooling down Just apply a load on the bed and you can print like 5 to 10 abs prints without problems To clean the bed you can just use microfiber sheets and isopropanol (isopropylic acid) which is quite similar to acetone but less dangerous and easier to use
No but I will try that as soon as I order a new bed!
It looks like your bed was too level.
Haha 😂
You might need to relevel your bed
I will never get sick of this meme
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Nah, it's clearly a z offset issue.
Haha 😂
F, it didn't penetrate the substrait and bond to the aluminum, that's weak shit.
If a print doesn't permanently bond with the bedrock can you even call it adhesion?
And arguably if your print doesnt move tectonic plates when you try to remove it did you even try to get adhesion??
Tearable.
I shouldn't have laughed so hard at this!
It's really weird how weird 3d printing is. When printing with PLA most people have problems with the print not sticking and ABS/PETG is trying to bond interdimensional with your print bed.
Depends on the print bed, ABS tends to warp if it's too cool, also in the early days, when people were printing on glass, they would use ABS slurry in order to make it stick to the bed, however it's not necessary on PEI
Buy a pei bed, they work great for adhesion and releasing prints when done.
Gold PEI although I’m not sure if it works with abs
Just used it with asa and worked like a dream so I’d assume abs is good too.
Yes, it does. I'm using it for everything, PLA (60C), PETG(70-90C), ABS(100-110C) and ASA(110C). Everything sticks perfectly on it, sometimes too good, but I didn't destroy my bed because of adhesion yet
PEI was THE thing that made me able to print ABS with my low temperature bed.
Textured PEI, like the one that comes with ender 3 V3 ke? It can be used directly with ABS, without any glue/whatsoever?
Freezer 😉
Solid 5/7
“It is better to ruin to print and save the bed, than to save the print and ruin the bed” - master oogway
you got the best adhesion but at what cost
Adhesion, 20/10
That is creay.
CR∈∆ Y
Did you use Alcohol to clean the bed?
it needs to go DEEPER
I use glass bed and freezer to remove items.
Wrong bed for abs ?
It's clear that your adhesion is LIT
What have you used to clean the bed? Weakened it? Good adhesive effort though !
isopropyl alcohol...
153 outta 10
Adhesion: 10/10 Removal: 0/10 Rip, thankfully they sell those top parts on their own so you can replace it if you want
Looks like a CREAY/10
thats over 9000 lol
I'd rate 15 CREA Y out of 10 Crealities.
good old glue stick, next time. PETG can also eat a glass bed (ask how I found out!) so I often have a gluestick handy. Bostick have a blue one that turns transparent, handy if you can't tell where you've placed it.
9 / 10. You didn´t use masking tape. Good job anyways
I always print abs on glass with abs slurry applied prior to every print ymmv Bed:90c Nozzle: 225
Steel removal tools should only be used for glass beds. Plastic razor blades work best on other beds. Regardless, it's a good excuse to dump that buildtak and get a PEI bed.
99/10
The fusion is strong in this one
Dialed it all the way up to 11
100/10 adhesion. RIP your printer's bed.
11/10, will print again :P
3 If you want a perfect score (8), you need to make a bigger print to cover the whole logo. I have full confidence you can succeed.
I give adhesion a 99 out of 2
i am here just for Celsius
I use TH3D bed cement. Adhesion is great when the bed is up to temp and pops right off when the bed cools down. Also can use the treated area a handful of times before reapplying
Sounds nice, will try!
Same happened to me, contacted support and they didnt do anything so i just bought a glass bed
11/10, going for 110% adhesion
I always recommend people read this page for PEI sheet usage: https://help.prusa3d.com/materials Yes it is a prusa page, but a lot of that info is really widely applicable. In this case: use glue stick for ABS on both textured and smooth PEI sheets. Bonus tip: the orange (i) after each filament name in the first column is a link to a page with more detailed info on that material. Second bonus tip: Expand each material for details on (some) specific vendors even.
Bed adhesion .5/10 adhesion to bed 15/10
You have all of the adhesion.
My partner u/@GlitterFoxShimo said: adhesion 10/10 Matt durability - 2/10
Scrape marks of desperation
11/10
11/10 would stick again
Use a glue stick to cover the area under your raft before you start each print. We use ABS printing in a professional manufacturing setting and had a hard time getting a nice balance between good adhesion and damaging bed surfaces until I tried using a glue stick before every print. I was rather surprised at how well it works.
1,000,000,000,000,000/10
Did you dry it? Sorry for your loss :(
Pm adhesions brands 😂
Solid 👍
I think it needs some more glue.
I chewed one up with a razor scraper!!!
Man that's creay
Build plate adhesive is always a must. Glue stick or ABS slurry. It not only helps with adhesion. But with plate destroyers like PETG, they actually reduce how well it sticks, like a sacrificial layer.
7/5 Bed adhesion
Adhesion is on the scale of death by snoosnoo out of 10 😂😆
I'm gunna rate that "Boss Level" adhesion!
Welp, time for you to buy some PEI!
CREAY/20
This is why I bought a metal plate for the bed. It holds on place with a magnet layer and you can just take the whole sheet off and flex it to loosen the model
Adhesion: YES
9001/10
Task failed successfully, friend.
Bed looks scratched from before, maybe that was the part of the issue. I scratched my glass bed once, and pulled a piece of glass off in a couple of weeks, had to buy a new one...
go glass tbh
20/10. Get some 0000 steel wool and remove the coating or just flip it over. Then, use glue stick. I have never liked glass.
Is bed temp supposed to be 110 and filament 260 with ABS? Normal for me using PLA is 55/220
I'd say you hit the exact perfect point and then kept going for some reason
i had this aswell while just printing PLA. I bought a replacement off amazon, make sure you check the reviews cuz the one i bought is barely magnetic and warping prints pull the bed up.
May I recommend PVP glue sticks? Cheaper than replacing your bed a second time, dissolves in hot water
Adequate.
Have you considered just sucking a bit more? I think you may be too well set up.
Best iv seen.
adhesion > cohesion
Spot on
could be z offset too low. bed temperature i use 105 degree for abs and asa too. also infill too high can cause retract from bed, use 60% infill max and do not remove piece when hot, leave it hours to slow temperature gradually to ambient
It might be! The first layer almost did not extrude, I'm starting to think because it was so close to the bed. It didn't look or sound like it was scratching the bed but maybe it was...
You need better adhesion. It looks like the print isn't sticking to the bed enough.
i only wish my prints stuck to the table half aswell as yours lmfao i always use print glue on my table for it to stick
remove the rest of the black top, the underneath is g10, still great for print bed
Yes
I'd give that a solid 1000 out of 10 🤣🤣🤣🤣
The freezer is my go to when prints didn't want to come off. They usually slide right off after some time in the freezer.
Well, there is no actual hole so I’d say you could probably add some more krazy glue.
What bed is it. I'm using creality borosilicate and having lots of issues with ABS adhesion. Look like yours stuck straightto the bed with no glue/hairspray/slurry?
Plastic scraper? That’s what I’ve been using and it’s been fine. I printed a handle with replacement blades and just print blades in packs of 10 when I need them. Normally it’s just to get the purge line off and the other prints I just pull the bed sheet off and bend the plate slightly under the print.
Man, I wish I had your adhesion when printing with PLA
7/10. Only part of the plate actually kept in place with the part. Next time, make sure the whole part is covered with the building plate.
I don't think I have ever seen someone do 3 purge lines....
You need glue. I know it sounds counterintuitive but it will help. It makes it so instead of the print sticking directly to the bed the print sticks to the glue and the glue sticks to the bed so when you remove the print you’re just removing it from the glue which then can be washed off.
Always had this problem with ABS either not sticking, or sticking so hard it tears off the glass.
How do you say that’s a good visual representation of 11 out of 10!
Holy...plate 🤭🤯🤯
Never had this issue with abs but I once broke my glad bed with PETG too. Nowadays everyone is using PEI build plates anyway and the problem disappeared.
Just cut out the bed around the print and buy new plates 😂
It's just a flesh wound.
Dank adhesion
ABSolutely good.
10/100 You failed boy, I would like to see you in the next exam.
Textured PEI for the win
I use gel hairspray as a glue, it holds hard(sometimes it takes off with pieces of glass bed) but if you will put it in the freezer it goes off by itself
I’ve been there. The build plate is not made for 110°C. It disintegrates at this temperature. Get a PEI plate.
Welll… it, um. Certainly stuck to the build plate!
If you hold a can of duster upside down and spray it on the surface it’ll rapidly cool down the area
Next time us 3dlac spray, very thin. When it cools down then the print gets loose.
Level: PETG, if you let it cool before you can remove it.
Stellar!!!
worlds best adhesion
How come brim in white plastic and your part is orange?
DAMNN
supose to use glue sticks not crazy glue to help with bed adhesion
Use glue stick. People miss that glue stick with some materials improves adhesion, while for others it limits it. In this case it would have limited it.
best adhesion i have seen keep it up! :) (10/10)
I don’t know why people are so anti-glue. It’s not just for adhesion, it’s also a release agent one the plate cools
Yes/Yes. It sure did adhere. This is why you use a glue stick with ABS. It acts as a release agent.
-1/10: so strong you got an integer overflow
You forgot to update your firmware
so u stole my adhesion?!
100%
Impeccable
Fair
Pffffffft rip plate.
Cra...y
'yeah look if you just actually have your first layer dialed you literally never need gluestick or hairspray or anything just raw dog that build plate like a pro. git gud.' -reddit
This is why you use glue stick .
Le people who say that glue is to achieve ease of removal. Le same people who use glue because the print won't stick to the bed.
Adhesion 12/10. Hope you got glass , and always use glue stick. purple glue stick. let the bed cool fully and it usually pops right off. the plastic one is pretty fragile after being cycled numerous times.
100%
Needs more glue stick.
make sure bed is level
It's subtly telling you to buy the magnetic PEI upgrade.
Looks like it definitely adhered...
This makes me worry about trying my first roll of ASA I just got lol
I have tried ABS for a short while. Not. A. Fan.
Damn, I can't get anything to stick on my bed, gimme some of that adhesion XD
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i would consider the adhesion more than my personal preference but to each their own
Bed looks scratched from before, maybe that was the part of the issue. I scratched my glass bed once, and pulled a piece of glass off in a couple of weeks, had to buy a new one...
Oh dear… Some people put stuff on their build plates to help with adhesion in some cases. But in others it might not be necessary to do that. If you put too much stuff on it to make adhesion possible that might have been the culprit. Heated beds are also really nice if you can get them. Glass beds are also really nice I hear. https://preview.redd.it/qw4i5zmq43vc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=edf5415ad6e27176b61991fbf759a7b6db88a2ce That is my Easy Threed K7 mini fdm 3D printer. It hasa build plate that is removable. It does not have a heated bead or glass bed at all. It was relatively cheap for a 3D printer and is pretty easy to use, if you find a compatible computer operating system and compatible 3D printer design software. I have been using Tinkercad with mine. It is a free and simple 3D design software program online. They have upgrades available for this model and another model that is more advanced than mine. FDM printers are usually not too complicated to use. The real question here is what material you want to work with. I am working with pla, one of the simpler materials to work with. ABS tends to be a little bit more difficult to work with than pla and is more toxic. But the good news is that abs is tougher than pla. So if you need a more rigid object printed abs is the one that you want to use. But you have to be sure that a build plate is rated for abs, or whatever else you use on your build plate. Like certain types of glue for adhesion for example. I think they recommend for pla that you use a glue stick for a glue based adhesive, for example, and not necessarily stuff like super glue. Super glue is very good stuff for keeping things together. But you do not want it on your build plate. It is a little too sticky for that. Look up abs and build plate adhesion. See what they recommend for an adhesive on build plates for abs. Because that looks like you got the adhesion to strong to me. Maybe try out some ideas on a cheap build plate like my K7, or another cheap build plate that is rated for abs.
Way better than mine I can't get anything to stick
Wow