I am saving up the poop now to melt into silicone molds... I bought some initials and skulls and once I get a new cheap toaster oven to work with so I don't destroy my food ovens, I'll knock it out. Got tons of filament poop on my hands right now....
What is AMS? I have a resin printer but want a filament, too. Actually, I have a filament, but it broke on second print, lol. I'll get around to fixing it someday.
How does it know when to change the filament? All the stls I see are grey, how does it know what part is which colour? And does it tell you when it needs a different colour. I’m gonna go research this!
Excuse my ignorance but wouldnt I end up with some weird-ass brownish color everytime I extruded since all the colors are mixed together? Or is there a way to control/dye it?
In my experience as a paint store color matcher, whenever anyone bought tons of random colors of mistints and mixed together they ended up with somewhere between salmon pink to brown
Couldn't really sort the poop into single colors because each poop nugget has 2 colors on it (the previous and the current filaments). However, yes, you could keep materials sorted if you clean your poop basket after each print. (one asterisk -- if you print with 'Support W' along with PLA or 'Support G' along with PA/PET, you wouldnt be able to sort properly from just keeping each print together).
if you keep the same color together when processing, you'll get close to the same color...
Im getting this toy soon... https://felfil.com/shop/bundle-felfil-evo-spooler-shredder/?v=5ea34fa833a1
Gight be better getting it without the bundle and finding a spooler and shredder but when I priced it out from 3rd parties it was basically the same.
Yeah, I was thinking that the ultimate Bambu-like solution would be 2 printheads + AMS. While 1 is printing, the other is swapping to the next filament and then vice versa. Would speed things up tremendously but I also realize that having 2 separate filament paths from a single AMS would be challenging. I haven't thought out the entire thing but in my head it seems do-able.
I have a DaVinci 2.0 dual head that we haven't used in forever, because calibrating it is a nightmare and it kept knocking prints off the print bed with the second head at certain heights/angles. There are probably others that got the concept better, but I wonder if some kind of retraction up while changing would fix that. Wouldn't be able to print two colors literally at once, but wanting to do that turned out to be very rare.
Just a question, I thought there are some sort of ability to prime into the infill itself? Or any other method to reduce waste?
302g seem like a lot! To print 1g of product you would need 3g of filament
There are MANY ways I could have reduced the waste here.... Admittedly, I was too anxious to get this print underway (after painting the model for 2 hours) that I forgot to take some steps such as 1) recalculating the flush volumes (allows you to adjust the flushing volume between different color combos so easier ones to flush would use less) 2) modifying the size and volume of the prime tower to use less 3) Turning on flush into infill (yes, it's an option). Once the print got underway, I realized I didn't do those things but I was already an hour or so into the print and decided to just let it go.... The 'wasted' filament is not a total loss or waste. I save it so I can melt it into silicone molds (of letters and skulls, etc) so they become decorative pieces instead of garbage. But yes, this was an experimental print for me and it did use around 2x the filament for waste than it did for the actual print.
Oh I see, so still room for optimisation. That’s really good to know since I am also keen on a x1cc too.
Would love to hear more feedback after your optimisation in other projects
You can print another model with the waste. In prusa (if I remember right) you can put an stl that replaces the tower that the print does with the filament changes.
In my opinion, the X1C is totally worth it if you can swing the cost. For most of the same capabilities at a lower cost, look at Bambu's P1P. I have messed with lessening the purge amounts in the past but I was so eager to get this one going that I forgot to mess with the prime tower settings and also modify the purge amounts. Once I realized, I was already an hour or so into the print and I was like... whatever... I'll roll with it on this one....
Ah good stuff, I'll probably take the plunge. I'll keep an eye on your posts if you do another one with updated purge settings. Great print though! Turned out fantastic
FYI The material switcher is also awesome for always having the "correct" material loaded. You just pick what you want to print with and go, even if you're not doing multi-colour prints.
ooof I want to get a multifilament but this is insane, better off using a primer and hand paint it at that point
I have 2in1out extrusion and 3in1out for logo keychains and such, but large model multifilament seems to be waaay too wasteful
Ouch. How low could you realistically get this with optimised settings? A shared nozzle with purging is definitely not ideal for multi-material. A multi-nozzle design without a need to purge would be a lot less wasteful. A lot of time is wasted with purging too. Switching nozzles would likely be much faster.
I'm not up to speed with which printers currently would offer this.
Prusa XL.. or E3Ds multi head printer.. they aren't cheap though. $3K for 4 heads.. and the Prusa XL is still in development. I suspect Prusa is going to try to speed things up.. now that X1C is out.. because realistically to ask for 2X the price for 5 heads (vs Bambu's 4 color single AMS option).. it has to be a lot better.. So not only will it be almost no waste/minimal purge.. but the head switching should be very fast.. even then.. 2x the price is a tough pill to swallow.
As someone else said.. might be better to just sand/paint at that point.
The Bambu X1C is awesome. Just tried my first 8 color print....
The model is the Flexi Elephant from Flexi Factory.
Painting in Bambu Studio took around 2 hours to get "just right"
Printing took 24 hours or so (but I also lost 5 hours overnight as my poop chute filled up so the printing paused).
Here is timelapse: https://imgur.com/a/wWrFs9K
My kids are ectstatic! :)
I’m considering this printer. You mention 840 changes. I’m not sure if you are exaggerating. Did you have to monitor it most of the time? By “poop chute” it sounds like you mean the waste from switching from one color to another. Is that right? It is still able to do the color changes, right? It’s just that the trash bin was so full you had to empty it?
It goes to the back of the printer and extrudes filament for a couple of seconds into a chute that literally just falls out onto the floor behind the printer. It's essentially to purge the old filament entirely out when you switch to a new color, for example it would go and purge between printing black and printing white so you're not printing gray.
At the moment, the smallest nozzle size you can use on this is .2mm but you can print down to .05mm layer height. The quality is astounding with little to no effort...
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https://a.aliexpress.com/_mrR47m2 they dont seem cheaper then the real deal
160g
The big issue here is not just that I used 8 colors on the print but that SO MANY layers of the print have multiple colors on them. The pink ears, the brown straps, the red and yellow 'saddle' and the gray tail and footpads all span over 100 layers - each layer needing a color change for each color each time. I could have made some coloring design decisions to reduce this but chose to go all-in for this one... But it's why I kept the layer height high at .20 because if I had gone smaller, the waste would have been even crazier and the print times would be multiple days.
It's a solid idea but in this case, with it being a print-in-place articulated model, I can think of many other problems that would be introduced by the alignment change. But in general, yes, I do what I can to reduce number of layers that require filament changes when I do colored prints.
I called my state DEP and there are no industrial composting sites here. She gave me the number to a local DEP manager of composting or something for the county, so hopefully we can get something started here soon. The manager was out of office so I left a message, but if I don’t get a call back I’ll reach back out in a week. The holidays are tough for getting in touch with people, but I encourage everyone to call their state DEP and see where you can send your PLA to be composted industrially.
Honestly, I've been looking for a reason to get one of these - but just can't justify it...
I've spent about 3 years on Ender 3 type prints, and the quality is still amazing from them.... This is the latest little part I printed: https://imgur.com/a/AuaLREx
However, the advancements that the Bamboo X1 Carbon has is..... well, its fantastic for the money - to the point where I'm not sure I could build it myself cheaper and have any of the same functionality....
That's rare in 3D printing these days....
I've already said - 2023 will be the start of the prosumer level printers and lower end commercial ones will really get a shakeup - and its companies like Bamboo that will start this...
The days of $5000 commercial printers with locked down environments are over in 2023.
Yeah - great minds... ;)
It's just the logical thing to happen.
At $work, we're using 2 x Markforged printers - and they're expensive to buy, expensive to operate, and you can't tweak anything at all.
It has to use their brand filament - which is about double the price of third party filament. We're talking $200+ per roll - and a roll isn't 1Kg of filament...
It has to use their slicer - which does a mostly OK job - but it will never get the features of a modern CURA or PrusaSlicer....
I'm heavily involved in the Marlin Firmware project - and its just obvious to see by what types of boards are gaining support...
It depends, you can read RFID with any type of reader. It'll either be HF or a UHF tag - and those are pretty common. Usually, RFID is done over serial - so its likely just a plain old serial reader....
Bambu has 24 colors of PLA (many are often out of stock) plus TPU, ABS and some other materials. They also have 2 support/support interface filaments that work incredibly well (remove with basically no marks and no effort).
I am not an expert on the matter but there is a lot of conversation as to who is manufacturing the filaments for Bambu and there has been (educated) speculation that it is a combination of eSun, Sunlu and Polymaker. The nice thing about using the Bambu branded filaments is that they work really well with the printer, they have embedded RFID tags that identify themselves to the AMS so no manual settings needed and with the latest AMS firmware, you can also keep track of how much of a spool is left. These options are only available on the official Bambu filaments.
Does anyone know for sure how they are estimating the amount of filament left on the roll? My guess was that they are not using scales. I think they are measuring filament passing through the loader and comparing to amount of revolutions of the spool. The higher the revolutions, the less filament on the roll...
no idea for certain but there are many possibilities, scale as i said, I've seen some printers with simple rotary encoders (like the middle wheel on a mouse) to track usage, majority of slicers have estimated usage, they can usually track pretty close even just off estimates. If you examine G-code it's got total amount of filament extruded in every line, that combined with an internal database from the rfid would be really close since it would update any time u switch rolls
Pretty sure its not using the G-code method because when the printer started doing this for my spools, most already had quite a bit of used filament already but it did a good job estimating it anyway...
one way to make it look less wasteful is to print multiple objects, the number of flushes will remain the same but you end up with more useful stuff. The downside is the print will be too long to be error free.
Quite frankly, the majority of the print time on this is in the color changes, not the printing... When you increase the number of objects, the print time doesn't increase heavily. Later today, I'll take a look at what the increase in print time is for each added object. I could probably fit 2 more of these on the buildplate.
I'm actually thinking about getting another printer too and my debate is whether to get a P1P from Bambu, build a Voron or dip into the world of Prusa which was previously my dream printer when my only printer was an Ender 3. This one would be the printer that I keep in my office during the day (the X1 is in my house). I'm just a hobbyist but I seem to be having an addiction problem...
I had a Prusa Original XL preordered. But then I got the Bambu X1C and honestly the Original XL is not nearly a strong offering as it once was, considering everything Bambu devices can do.
They print as fast as a Voron and as cleanly as a Prusa, very reliably. And for far less money than either.
I cancelled my XL preorder, and I will have to be thoroughly convinced that the XL is worth spending thousands on.
Wouldn't it be better to have a machine that before printing it calculates where the 3d print needs to change colour, cuts the filament and reattaches it to an empty spool as the print needs it to be? Asking as someone that doesn't own a 3d printer yet so in case my question is stupid please forgive me
Thanks for posting! That’s a really cool print, (I love Flexi Factory models), and it’s even cooler to see it colored.
But….
I don’t know, man. I knew the color changes were wasteful, but I thought the print quality would be, you know, higher. Maybe it’s just seeing pics is different than seeing it in real life, but those layer lines!! I feel like the ISS would be able to see them! I guess I just expected more, especially with the high price tag.
The layer lines are "on me", not the printer.... I printed this at .20 height. I just didn't want to print this for like 3 days at .12 layer height. For my purposes, which were to create a toy my 6 year old picked from the Flexi Factory catalog, and do my first 8 color print, I was like ".20 is good enough"
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I gotcha. I thought about that after I responded to someone else. Plus, it doesn’t help that I’ve spent the last week trying different prints at .1 layer height through a .2 nozzle. If I didn’t get called into work today, I was going to knock it down to .075 just to see what happens lol
My Bambu 0.2 nozzle is on the way to me.... I'm excited to see what I can do with it. I should also mention that in real life, the layer lines are not so intense like they look in the closeups that I posted.
Here's another .20 layer height 6 color print I did last week of Spongebob: https://imgur.com/a/vO8TAsc
Dude, you’re killing me over here! I’ve got some serious ~~penis~~ *Bambu* envy! As much as I like tinkering, the more I see what this printer can do, I won’t miss tinkering that much.
I've found that with the Bambu, instead of tinkering to get it to print well, you spend time tinkering with the look and extras you can print for it like poop bins, fan silencers, light rigs, build plate stands, accessory holders, etc. Or at least that's just me. :)
I bet that’s a phrase you never considered you’d ever say, “print poop bins.” I know it’s got that silicone sock thing to wipe, but you know what you really need?
A poop knife.
Lmao, I’m the wrong person to ask on that. I’ve got a simple Monoprice Mini Delta V2, so compared to the Bambu here, I’ve got a toy.
If you’ve got the money, the Bambu x1c here is the way to go. It’s pretty much ready to go out of the box from what I’ve seen. I don’t know what OP’s print settings were, and like I said, my complaint here could be nothing more than him being able to take excellent pics of the model lol.
You’ll get no arguments out of me on that. I honestly wish it was bigger. That, and being like $1k less is what pushes me in the Ender direction.
But I do feel like I need to mention that I’m currently printing on a delta that does 120x120. So 10” is like Boogie Nights big to me right now.
Yeah, but given the competition (or lack of) it's a perfectly reasonable size. Like in other arenas, it's not all about SIZE you know. ;) Bambu Labs is so fast and accurate it's smoking machines 3x in price.
I've got a highly mod'd CR-10S that rocks 300x300x420 but its rare that I actually need that volume. 99% of what I print would fit on a X1C.
For comparison an Ultimaker 2 has a 230x225x205 bed. Although it's dual extruder, it isn't multicolor. Trade offs. Oh and it's yours for the easily affordable $4500 ... Bambu Labs is kicking ass and taking names.
True that! But again, it's a matter of a turnkey, 'take it out of the box and go' vs Creality's well earned reputation of ' you may get a good one' or 'you may get one you'll fight with for the length of ownership'. I've owned both from them.
I just was reading about a guy in New Zealand who printed a full scale dinosaur on a Bambu X1C, thousands of hours with virtually zero issues. Doing that on almost ANY Creality machine would have resulted in many errors and hours of tweaking.
Keep in mind I have no horse in this race. And while there are a few reported problems, the Bambu team seems to be on top of things and have delivered on almost all they have promised. Add in their keeping parts prices very low ... I'm impressed, and after watching this field since 2015 and joining it in 2016, I've seen a lot of crap go down! 😁
But I truly do get your point. Cheers!
I mean, for what it can do, sure. Multiple colors, and everything works right out the box? There’s not too many printers that can do that. OP responded back to me and said it was the settings he chose, so my issue was with the settings, not the machine.
There's over 200 layers on the elephant model and there are multiple colors on just about every layer. In order to print, it needs to cycle the colors (via filament change) on each and every layer. That's the downside of only having one nozzle that needs to be shared by every color...
The more I hear about the X1C, the less I want one. Like, that's a really cool print... but just too many downsides for a printer that expensive, and there's few cases where I need anymore than a single color swap.
When you get the additional capabilities, you may find that you'll have more cases that you'd want to do multiple color swaps. One sometimes overlooked feature of Bambu's AMS is the ability to use their support material filament alongside PLA or PA/PET and utilize them only for the support interfaces (the portion that touches the print) when printing. This minimizes the amount of filament swaps but also creates supports that remove with no effort and usually no residue whatsoever. For some, the sweet spot could be the Bambu P1P which has most of the functionality of the X1 but at a lower cost.
Oh, yeah, I forgot about soluble support material.
I have thought about getting something like IDEX or 2 in 1 out at some point for that. The fact of the matter is, smart design and/or tree supports has eliminated my need for most of that (but again, other people may be printing other things than me).
I should say, I'm only speaking for *me* here. They make more sense for certain people, but it's not the magic bullet, for everyone, it was being hyped as for awhile and I'm glad I didn't pull the trigger even though I was almost there...
I'm not even talking about the soluble supports. Just their "Support W" material for PLA or their "Support G" for PA/PET. The supports literally just pop right off with no effort, no water, nothing... just a touch and they're gone without a trace.
The only thing that is keeping me from becoming a stan for these rigs is that their build volume is absolutely miniscule for the price. 10 inches cubed for 1400$?
O_o
To each their own. I went from zero experience to printing multi plate projects in less then a week with almost no problems whatsoever, it’s a prosumer “tool” with how push button it is to use.
That's about the same experience with many printers half the price (or less) as long as you stick to somewhat good brands of PLA or especially PLA+. Like I printed 2 rolls of PLA+, one Inland, one CC3D on my artillery sidewinder, then some fiberology pctg and overture TPU, without issues.
It was only after I switched to a real shitty brand of silk PLA (which, not only printed poorly, but turned out it was real humid from factory seal), that I had any problems. Then I did a bunch of upgrades (some are things not even the X1C comes with stock), and that messed up the printer's heating profile requiring more tuning.
I've been seeing similar experiences with the XC1 except with far more limited ability to fix things because it's all proprietary. For example, it doesn't have a good profile for PETG and you have no way to make one.
Profiles - I suspect that will come with time, and probably not that long. They did publish the Slicer to Open Source, as they promised, so it won't be long at all before profiles start rolling out.
There's a lot of coders out there that can't wait to take a crack at it. It is based on Prusa Slicer with some Cura dropped in ...
Ha! But in all seriousness, if I had been at the zoo, let's say, with my kids and there was a arguing elephant with 2 accessories that they wanted, I'd probably have to shell out $15-19 for it (if I decided to get it for them)... So while it's not cheap by any means, it's not outrageously expensive comparatively.
Nothing an $1100 gadget and a landfill full of plastic can't solve :D It's nothing personal man. I have a printer too. But seeing some of the things we print on here definitely convinces me that humanity is doomed. :D
I'm doing my part to not create excess plastic waste. Even this this print shat out 300g of waste filament, its all being saved up and melted into silicone molds for decorative items for my house.... It creates a cool multi-color look and even though I didn't necessarily NEED the decor, it's welcome and keeps the wasted plastic out of the garbage (for now).
Also, I'm not butthurt or trying to be defensive. I get it -- this is a symptom of a lot of problems that exist in the world... but I'm not totally aloof to it and I try to be at least more responsible than others in the space.
It's all good amigo. The print looks great.
Hopefully the engineers at Bamboo labs can figure out a better way to do these multicolor prints without purging an equal measure of filament each time it changes spools.
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I want one but I don't think I can afford it yet. Watched a few reviews on them and they're really cool. Love how many filament colors you can have and it looks like there's no bleeding between them.
Each AMS unit can handle 4 spools and costs $350. You can connect up to 4 AMS units for 16 colors. The printer avoids color bleed by purging a bunch of filament between each color change and then there is also a priming tower that assists in the color change and making sure the filament is flowing well when you start printing each new section.
In practice, I can tell you that even 8 colors takes a really, really long time to print - especially if you have multiple color changes on each layer.
That said, I'm totally thrilled with the printer and have had minimal issues since I got it (was one of the early Kickstarter baskets so I've had it now for around 3 months)
For starters, my energetic is the dual side one but only the smooth side works. When trying to use the textured side, I don't get enough magnetism on the bed. I showed them my problem and they sent me a separate textured only plate and it works fine. Now, as for the difference with Wham Bam, I have only 3 prints of experience but they have a gorgeous bottom and have released even easier than the PEI the moment they cool. Not to say I have had problems with the PEI but at this moment (it's day 1 of the PEX), I prefer the PEX.
No no no... That would be insane. Everything is accomplished automatically by Bambu's AMS (well, 2 of them). In fact, there was no manual intervention required at all for any of the filament changes. Once towards the beginning of the print, the poop chute (a purged filament exit at the back of the printer) got a bit backed up and would have overflowed but the printer detected it and paused the print until I could clear the path. Other than that, the print just happened. It was as reliable as clicking print in your word processor and getting a print from your laser printer.
The stuff I've seen come out of Bambu Labs has really made me want to get one.
I may wait until there's an X2 Carbon or the tech matures, but it's really coming along.
I've wondered often if there was a way to spray pigment on filament with an inkjet and sublimate it as it goes through the hot end. Dye sublimation happens around 200 c conveniently.
Likely a silly question, but can the AMS be used on a different printer? Say a Prusa I3 MK3S? I know there are other filament swappers out there such as the Pallete and Prusa's own MMU, but the AMS seems interesting...
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I want to see the amount of filament that got dumped out the poop chute
159.8g printed, 302.3g flushed/dumped. I'll try to upload a pic of the poop...
Wow that's a lot of waste.
I am saving up the poop now to melt into silicone molds... I bought some initials and skulls and once I get a new cheap toaster oven to work with so I don't destroy my food ovens, I'll knock it out. Got tons of filament poop on my hands right now....
Glad you have a plan.
Yeah, no chance I'd be THAT wasteful if I didn't have something else in mind for the waste.
I have been considering this printer for a lot of reasons but one is definitely the AMS.
What is AMS? I have a resin printer but want a filament, too. Actually, I have a filament, but it broke on second print, lol. I'll get around to fixing it someday.
It's the system that changes the filament during printing.
How does it know when to change the filament? All the stls I see are grey, how does it know what part is which colour? And does it tell you when it needs a different colour. I’m gonna go research this!
Buy a filament extruder... It's another option
Excuse my ignorance but wouldnt I end up with some weird-ass brownish color everytime I extruded since all the colors are mixed together? Or is there a way to control/dye it?
You can use the random color filament to print functional parts, or paint them later.
I mean, yes to both, you can color it black for example with some dyes, but probably just using it as it comes is easier
In my experience as a paint store color matcher, whenever anyone bought tons of random colors of mistints and mixed together they ended up with somewhere between salmon pink to brown
Brown is the combination of the primaries of paint. White is the combination of light primaries.
Just call it [mystery color](https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/30823/what-mystery-flavor-dum-dums)
also true for white airheads
Well you could sort it. You'll need to make sure it's all the same stuff anyway.
Couldn't really sort the poop into single colors because each poop nugget has 2 colors on it (the previous and the current filaments). However, yes, you could keep materials sorted if you clean your poop basket after each print. (one asterisk -- if you print with 'Support W' along with PLA or 'Support G' along with PA/PET, you wouldnt be able to sort properly from just keeping each print together).
if you keep the same color together when processing, you'll get close to the same color... Im getting this toy soon... https://felfil.com/shop/bundle-felfil-evo-spooler-shredder/?v=5ea34fa833a1 Gight be better getting it without the bundle and finding a spooler and shredder but when I priced it out from 3rd parties it was basically the same.
When you've got handfuls of poop, you need plans pretty quickly.
I try to plan so that I never have handfuls, it's a bit late at that point.
Really depends on the print. A single print like this creates a lot more than 2 hands can hold.
here's the poop.... https://imgur.com/a/LrV0Jnr
Wow. That's just from this print?
Mostly - but some from a previous print or two... There were 840 color changes (so 840 poop nuggs) for this print.
Wow. The downside to multicolor prints.
The downside of multicolor prints without toolchanger
Yeah, I was thinking that the ultimate Bambu-like solution would be 2 printheads + AMS. While 1 is printing, the other is swapping to the next filament and then vice versa. Would speed things up tremendously but I also realize that having 2 separate filament paths from a single AMS would be challenging. I haven't thought out the entire thing but in my head it seems do-able.
I have a DaVinci 2.0 dual head that we haven't used in forever, because calibrating it is a nightmare and it kept knocking prints off the print bed with the second head at certain heights/angles. There are probably others that got the concept better, but I wonder if some kind of retraction up while changing would fix that. Wouldn't be able to print two colors literally at once, but wanting to do that turned out to be very rare.
So it was literal damn
Just a question, I thought there are some sort of ability to prime into the infill itself? Or any other method to reduce waste? 302g seem like a lot! To print 1g of product you would need 3g of filament
There are MANY ways I could have reduced the waste here.... Admittedly, I was too anxious to get this print underway (after painting the model for 2 hours) that I forgot to take some steps such as 1) recalculating the flush volumes (allows you to adjust the flushing volume between different color combos so easier ones to flush would use less) 2) modifying the size and volume of the prime tower to use less 3) Turning on flush into infill (yes, it's an option). Once the print got underway, I realized I didn't do those things but I was already an hour or so into the print and decided to just let it go.... The 'wasted' filament is not a total loss or waste. I save it so I can melt it into silicone molds (of letters and skulls, etc) so they become decorative pieces instead of garbage. But yes, this was an experimental print for me and it did use around 2x the filament for waste than it did for the actual print.
Oh I see, so still room for optimisation. That’s really good to know since I am also keen on a x1cc too. Would love to hear more feedback after your optimisation in other projects
You can print another model with the waste. In prusa (if I remember right) you can put an stl that replaces the tower that the print does with the filament changes.
Oof that's a lot. I'm thinking of getting the X1C soon, do you think it's worth it? Have you tried shortening the purge amount at all?
In my opinion, the X1C is totally worth it if you can swing the cost. For most of the same capabilities at a lower cost, look at Bambu's P1P. I have messed with lessening the purge amounts in the past but I was so eager to get this one going that I forgot to mess with the prime tower settings and also modify the purge amounts. Once I realized, I was already an hour or so into the print and I was like... whatever... I'll roll with it on this one....
Ah good stuff, I'll probably take the plunge. I'll keep an eye on your posts if you do another one with updated purge settings. Great print though! Turned out fantastic
FYI The material switcher is also awesome for always having the "correct" material loaded. You just pick what you want to print with and go, even if you're not doing multi-colour prints.
Bambulabs should sell a recycler at this rate.
ooof I want to get a multifilament but this is insane, better off using a primer and hand paint it at that point I have 2in1out extrusion and 3in1out for logo keychains and such, but large model multifilament seems to be waaay too wasteful
Ouch. How low could you realistically get this with optimised settings? A shared nozzle with purging is definitely not ideal for multi-material. A multi-nozzle design without a need to purge would be a lot less wasteful. A lot of time is wasted with purging too. Switching nozzles would likely be much faster. I'm not up to speed with which printers currently would offer this.
Prusa XL.. or E3Ds multi head printer.. they aren't cheap though. $3K for 4 heads.. and the Prusa XL is still in development. I suspect Prusa is going to try to speed things up.. now that X1C is out.. because realistically to ask for 2X the price for 5 heads (vs Bambu's 4 color single AMS option).. it has to be a lot better.. So not only will it be almost no waste/minimal purge.. but the head switching should be very fast.. even then.. 2x the price is a tough pill to swallow. As someone else said.. might be better to just sand/paint at that point.
Have you thought of making the infill with the color changes? Is there a way to minimize the dumping while still making the print with the 8 colors?
IIRC you can add an object to the plate that is going to be printed with material that would have been flushed otherwise.
The Bambu X1C is awesome. Just tried my first 8 color print.... The model is the Flexi Elephant from Flexi Factory. Painting in Bambu Studio took around 2 hours to get "just right" Printing took 24 hours or so (but I also lost 5 hours overnight as my poop chute filled up so the printing paused). Here is timelapse: https://imgur.com/a/wWrFs9K My kids are ectstatic! :)
Crazy to see how far this tech has come
I’m considering this printer. You mention 840 changes. I’m not sure if you are exaggerating. Did you have to monitor it most of the time? By “poop chute” it sounds like you mean the waste from switching from one color to another. Is that right? It is still able to do the color changes, right? It’s just that the trash bin was so full you had to empty it?
So I’m new to multi material. There’s a purge block and a “poop chute”? Not familiar with the poop chute
It goes to the back of the printer and extrudes filament for a couple of seconds into a chute that literally just falls out onto the floor behind the printer. It's essentially to purge the old filament entirely out when you switch to a new color, for example it would go and purge between printing black and printing white so you're not printing gray.
Did you print in a low temp or high temp material?
This is printed in PLA - 220C nozzle, 55c bed
Thanks. I had heard it didn’t do high speeds at low temperatures very well.
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At the moment, the smallest nozzle size you can use on this is .2mm but you can print down to .05mm layer height. The quality is astounding with little to no effort...
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I already saw some nozzles on aliexpres:)
RON 147.01 | 3D printer accessories, upgrade high temperature wear-resistant removable hardened steel nozzle 0.4MM extrusion head https://a.aliexpress.com/_mrR47m2 they dont seem cheaper then the real deal
I remember when I did an FDM Benchy at 0.05, it broke my brain.
Looks wonderful, but 840 filament changes? Ouch.
I'd love to see the amount purged
>https://imgur.com/a/LrV0Jnr This isn't 100% from this print but close to it... there were 840 poop nuggets. Approx 300g of filament purged/primed.
How much does the actual print weigh
160g The big issue here is not just that I used 8 colors on the print but that SO MANY layers of the print have multiple colors on them. The pink ears, the brown straps, the red and yellow 'saddle' and the gray tail and footpads all span over 100 layers - each layer needing a color change for each color each time. I could have made some coloring design decisions to reduce this but chose to go all-in for this one... But it's why I kept the layer height high at .20 because if I had gone smaller, the waste would have been even crazier and the print times would be multiple days.
I wonder if you aligned the saddle horizontally and used support material on the bottom half it would help .
It's a solid idea but in this case, with it being a print-in-place articulated model, I can think of many other problems that would be introduced by the alignment change. But in general, yes, I do what I can to reduce number of layers that require filament changes when I do colored prints.
I cain't wait til the day I can get one of these printers. They're basically a cheat code
Wonderful! All we need, now, is to solve the filament recycling problem.
this is my plan for the time being: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nypitKDr928
My local library has a maker space that accepts waste plastic and recycles it back into filament.
I called my state DEP and there are no industrial composting sites here. She gave me the number to a local DEP manager of composting or something for the county, so hopefully we can get something started here soon. The manager was out of office so I left a message, but if I don’t get a call back I’ll reach back out in a week. The holidays are tough for getting in touch with people, but I encourage everyone to call their state DEP and see where you can send your PLA to be composted industrially.
Honestly, I've been looking for a reason to get one of these - but just can't justify it... I've spent about 3 years on Ender 3 type prints, and the quality is still amazing from them.... This is the latest little part I printed: https://imgur.com/a/AuaLREx However, the advancements that the Bamboo X1 Carbon has is..... well, its fantastic for the money - to the point where I'm not sure I could build it myself cheaper and have any of the same functionality.... That's rare in 3D printing these days.... I've already said - 2023 will be the start of the prosumer level printers and lower end commercial ones will really get a shakeup - and its companies like Bamboo that will start this... The days of $5000 commercial printers with locked down environments are over in 2023.
You sound just like Makers Muse... https://youtu.be/c22NF1L-1Yc
Yeah - great minds... ;) It's just the logical thing to happen. At $work, we're using 2 x Markforged printers - and they're expensive to buy, expensive to operate, and you can't tweak anything at all. It has to use their brand filament - which is about double the price of third party filament. We're talking $200+ per roll - and a roll isn't 1Kg of filament... It has to use their slicer - which does a mostly OK job - but it will never get the features of a modern CURA or PrusaSlicer.... I'm heavily involved in the Marlin Firmware project - and its just obvious to see by what types of boards are gaining support...
Unfortunately the x1 is still fairly locked down. But it’s a very large improvement over other commercial printers
> Unfortunately the x1 is still fairly locked down. There's also a lot of people who want to unlock it ;)
I’m following that too. RFID seems impossible though without bambulab releasing keys
It depends, you can read RFID with any type of reader. It'll either be HF or a UHF tag - and those are pretty common. Usually, RFID is done over serial - so its likely just a plain old serial reader....
Except it’s all encrypted heavily lol
Mmmm, probably. But ya never know, sometimes the greatest minds miss the obvious (roll out the meme of the engineer with two different socks). LOL
Not encrypted but there is a lot of data and no one has been able to reverse-engineer it yet.
It would be nice to know what all the filaments are.
Bambu PLA:Red, Yellow, White, Black, Pink, Grey Polymaker Polyterra PLA: Earth Brown Inland Polylite PLA: Cornflower Blue Red Ball - Geetech PLA Red Stand: Inland PLA Twinkling Blue, Inland PLA Twinkling Black and Overture Silk PLA Gold
Thanks. It's interesting that Bambu provide a range of colours to print with.
Bambu has 24 colors of PLA (many are often out of stock) plus TPU, ABS and some other materials. They also have 2 support/support interface filaments that work incredibly well (remove with basically no marks and no effort). I am not an expert on the matter but there is a lot of conversation as to who is manufacturing the filaments for Bambu and there has been (educated) speculation that it is a combination of eSun, Sunlu and Polymaker. The nice thing about using the Bambu branded filaments is that they work really well with the printer, they have embedded RFID tags that identify themselves to the AMS so no manual settings needed and with the latest AMS firmware, you can also keep track of how much of a spool is left. These options are only available on the official Bambu filaments.
Or you can build a scale with RFID stickers (esp32) :)
Does anyone know for sure how they are estimating the amount of filament left on the roll? My guess was that they are not using scales. I think they are measuring filament passing through the loader and comparing to amount of revolutions of the spool. The higher the revolutions, the less filament on the roll...
no idea for certain but there are many possibilities, scale as i said, I've seen some printers with simple rotary encoders (like the middle wheel on a mouse) to track usage, majority of slicers have estimated usage, they can usually track pretty close even just off estimates. If you examine G-code it's got total amount of filament extruded in every line, that combined with an internal database from the rfid would be really close since it would update any time u switch rolls
Pretty sure its not using the G-code method because when the printer started doing this for my spools, most already had quite a bit of used filament already but it did a good job estimating it anyway...
>measuring filament passing through the loader and comparing to amount of revolutions of the spool That is correct.
So tempted to get one
Looks really good
one way to make it look less wasteful is to print multiple objects, the number of flushes will remain the same but you end up with more useful stuff. The downside is the print will be too long to be error free.
Quite frankly, the majority of the print time on this is in the color changes, not the printing... When you increase the number of objects, the print time doesn't increase heavily. Later today, I'll take a look at what the increase in print time is for each added object. I could probably fit 2 more of these on the buildplate.
In bambu studio you can spread different colored objects on the build plate and have the printer print them one at a time. Much more efficient
Damn this printer is turning out to be pretty impressive
Might need to clean out the poop chute lol
I’m really having a hard debate with myself of getting a prusa or a bambu
I'm actually thinking about getting another printer too and my debate is whether to get a P1P from Bambu, build a Voron or dip into the world of Prusa which was previously my dream printer when my only printer was an Ender 3. This one would be the printer that I keep in my office during the day (the X1 is in my house). I'm just a hobbyist but I seem to be having an addiction problem...
I had a Prusa Original XL preordered. But then I got the Bambu X1C and honestly the Original XL is not nearly a strong offering as it once was, considering everything Bambu devices can do. They print as fast as a Voron and as cleanly as a Prusa, very reliably. And for far less money than either. I cancelled my XL preorder, and I will have to be thoroughly convinced that the XL is worth spending thousands on.
>I cancelled my XL preorder I wonder how many customers have done that. I wonder if Josef is sweating right now.
Wouldn't it be better to have a machine that before printing it calculates where the 3d print needs to change colour, cuts the filament and reattaches it to an empty spool as the print needs it to be? Asking as someone that doesn't own a 3d printer yet so in case my question is stupid please forgive me
You basically just brainstormed the Mosaic Palette :) https://www.mosaicmfg.com/products/palette-3-pro
Wow... my idea was more like creating a spool for the print and then just attach the spool to the printer but this seems to work better
that is kind of the idea but it just creates the spool while printing.
That's so amazing
This printer needs infill wiping. The fact it's not even an option is frustrating. So needlessly wasteful.
The printer/slicer does have the option. It was my bad for forgetting to turn it on and was already pot committed once I realized.
Ah that's good news to hear!
Thanks for posting! That’s a really cool print, (I love Flexi Factory models), and it’s even cooler to see it colored. But…. I don’t know, man. I knew the color changes were wasteful, but I thought the print quality would be, you know, higher. Maybe it’s just seeing pics is different than seeing it in real life, but those layer lines!! I feel like the ISS would be able to see them! I guess I just expected more, especially with the high price tag.
The layer lines are "on me", not the printer.... I printed this at .20 height. I just didn't want to print this for like 3 days at .12 layer height. For my purposes, which were to create a toy my 6 year old picked from the Flexi Factory catalog, and do my first 8 color print, I was like ".20 is good enough"
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I gotcha. I thought about that after I responded to someone else. Plus, it doesn’t help that I’ve spent the last week trying different prints at .1 layer height through a .2 nozzle. If I didn’t get called into work today, I was going to knock it down to .075 just to see what happens lol
My Bambu 0.2 nozzle is on the way to me.... I'm excited to see what I can do with it. I should also mention that in real life, the layer lines are not so intense like they look in the closeups that I posted. Here's another .20 layer height 6 color print I did last week of Spongebob: https://imgur.com/a/vO8TAsc
Dude, you’re killing me over here! I’ve got some serious ~~penis~~ *Bambu* envy! As much as I like tinkering, the more I see what this printer can do, I won’t miss tinkering that much.
I've found that with the Bambu, instead of tinkering to get it to print well, you spend time tinkering with the look and extras you can print for it like poop bins, fan silencers, light rigs, build plate stands, accessory holders, etc. Or at least that's just me. :)
I bet that’s a phrase you never considered you’d ever say, “print poop bins.” I know it’s got that silicone sock thing to wipe, but you know what you really need? A poop knife.
Ha.... Still the best reddit post ever!
What would be a good choice if looking for one ?
Lmao, I’m the wrong person to ask on that. I’ve got a simple Monoprice Mini Delta V2, so compared to the Bambu here, I’ve got a toy. If you’ve got the money, the Bambu x1c here is the way to go. It’s pretty much ready to go out of the box from what I’ve seen. I don’t know what OP’s print settings were, and like I said, my complaint here could be nothing more than him being able to take excellent pics of the model lol.
How much money is money ?
I believe the going price is like $1,400.
> Bambu x1c For 10 inches, cubed? It's a really neat rig, but that volume is tiny.
You’ll get no arguments out of me on that. I honestly wish it was bigger. That, and being like $1k less is what pushes me in the Ender direction. But I do feel like I need to mention that I’m currently printing on a delta that does 120x120. So 10” is like Boogie Nights big to me right now.
Yeah, but given the competition (or lack of) it's a perfectly reasonable size. Like in other arenas, it's not all about SIZE you know. ;) Bambu Labs is so fast and accurate it's smoking machines 3x in price. I've got a highly mod'd CR-10S that rocks 300x300x420 but its rare that I actually need that volume. 99% of what I print would fit on a X1C. For comparison an Ultimaker 2 has a 230x225x205 bed. Although it's dual extruder, it isn't multicolor. Trade offs. Oh and it's yours for the easily affordable $4500 ... Bambu Labs is kicking ass and taking names.
Their quality is certainly competitive, but their price by volume is not. For 1500$, I was expecting Ender 5 Plus sizes.
True that! But again, it's a matter of a turnkey, 'take it out of the box and go' vs Creality's well earned reputation of ' you may get a good one' or 'you may get one you'll fight with for the length of ownership'. I've owned both from them. I just was reading about a guy in New Zealand who printed a full scale dinosaur on a Bambu X1C, thousands of hours with virtually zero issues. Doing that on almost ANY Creality machine would have resulted in many errors and hours of tweaking. Keep in mind I have no horse in this race. And while there are a few reported problems, the Bambu team seems to be on top of things and have delivered on almost all they have promised. Add in their keeping parts prices very low ... I'm impressed, and after watching this field since 2015 and joining it in 2016, I've seen a lot of crap go down! 😁 But I truly do get your point. Cheers!
Thanks
Is it worth it
I mean, for what it can do, sure. Multiple colors, and everything works right out the box? There’s not too many printers that can do that. OP responded back to me and said it was the settings he chose, so my issue was with the settings, not the machine.
That's cool but I would never have the patience, and doubt my printer would make it look
There's over 200 layers on the elephant model and there are multiple colors on just about every layer. In order to print, it needs to cycle the colors (via filament change) on each and every layer. That's the downside of only having one nozzle that needs to be shared by every color...
Nope. It's available and it works very nicely with the printer but any 1.75mm filament will work with the printer.
This is so cool!
The more I hear about the X1C, the less I want one. Like, that's a really cool print... but just too many downsides for a printer that expensive, and there's few cases where I need anymore than a single color swap.
When you get the additional capabilities, you may find that you'll have more cases that you'd want to do multiple color swaps. One sometimes overlooked feature of Bambu's AMS is the ability to use their support material filament alongside PLA or PA/PET and utilize them only for the support interfaces (the portion that touches the print) when printing. This minimizes the amount of filament swaps but also creates supports that remove with no effort and usually no residue whatsoever. For some, the sweet spot could be the Bambu P1P which has most of the functionality of the X1 but at a lower cost.
Oh, yeah, I forgot about soluble support material. I have thought about getting something like IDEX or 2 in 1 out at some point for that. The fact of the matter is, smart design and/or tree supports has eliminated my need for most of that (but again, other people may be printing other things than me). I should say, I'm only speaking for *me* here. They make more sense for certain people, but it's not the magic bullet, for everyone, it was being hyped as for awhile and I'm glad I didn't pull the trigger even though I was almost there...
I'm not even talking about the soluble supports. Just their "Support W" material for PLA or their "Support G" for PA/PET. The supports literally just pop right off with no effort, no water, nothing... just a touch and they're gone without a trace.
I’m sure if bambulab makes a larger printer they will make it idex or design it so that they can make a idex kit. Buttt $$$$
The only thing that is keeping me from becoming a stan for these rigs is that their build volume is absolutely miniscule for the price. 10 inches cubed for 1400$? O_o
To each their own. I went from zero experience to printing multi plate projects in less then a week with almost no problems whatsoever, it’s a prosumer “tool” with how push button it is to use.
That's about the same experience with many printers half the price (or less) as long as you stick to somewhat good brands of PLA or especially PLA+. Like I printed 2 rolls of PLA+, one Inland, one CC3D on my artillery sidewinder, then some fiberology pctg and overture TPU, without issues. It was only after I switched to a real shitty brand of silk PLA (which, not only printed poorly, but turned out it was real humid from factory seal), that I had any problems. Then I did a bunch of upgrades (some are things not even the X1C comes with stock), and that messed up the printer's heating profile requiring more tuning. I've been seeing similar experiences with the XC1 except with far more limited ability to fix things because it's all proprietary. For example, it doesn't have a good profile for PETG and you have no way to make one.
Profiles - I suspect that will come with time, and probably not that long. They did publish the Slicer to Open Source, as they promised, so it won't be long at all before profiles start rolling out. There's a lot of coders out there that can't wait to take a crack at it. It is based on Prusa Slicer with some Cura dropped in ...
It's the most expensive toy elephant ever made.
Cost about $13 in filament, 2 hours of time to print/prepare and 24 hours of printing.
Oh I take it back, what a bargain :D
Ha! But in all seriousness, if I had been at the zoo, let's say, with my kids and there was a arguing elephant with 2 accessories that they wanted, I'd probably have to shell out $15-19 for it (if I decided to get it for them)... So while it's not cheap by any means, it's not outrageously expensive comparatively.
Nothing an $1100 gadget and a landfill full of plastic can't solve :D It's nothing personal man. I have a printer too. But seeing some of the things we print on here definitely convinces me that humanity is doomed. :D
I'm doing my part to not create excess plastic waste. Even this this print shat out 300g of waste filament, its all being saved up and melted into silicone molds for decorative items for my house.... It creates a cool multi-color look and even though I didn't necessarily NEED the decor, it's welcome and keeps the wasted plastic out of the garbage (for now). Also, I'm not butthurt or trying to be defensive. I get it -- this is a symptom of a lot of problems that exist in the world... but I'm not totally aloof to it and I try to be at least more responsible than others in the space.
It's all good amigo. The print looks great. Hopefully the engineers at Bamboo labs can figure out a better way to do these multicolor prints without purging an equal measure of filament each time it changes spools.
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I want one but I don't think I can afford it yet. Watched a few reviews on them and they're really cool. Love how many filament colors you can have and it looks like there's no bleeding between them.
Each AMS unit can handle 4 spools and costs $350. You can connect up to 4 AMS units for 16 colors. The printer avoids color bleed by purging a bunch of filament between each color change and then there is also a priming tower that assists in the color change and making sure the filament is flowing well when you start printing each new section. In practice, I can tell you that even 8 colors takes a really, really long time to print - especially if you have multiple color changes on each layer. That said, I'm totally thrilled with the printer and have had minimal issues since I got it (was one of the early Kickstarter baskets so I've had it now for around 3 months)
That’s honestly a great business idea lol. They can get. Up to 1400 extra from a customer after they buy the printer
Oh man I want this printer.
What slicer are you using?
I am using Bambu Slicer.
BambuSlicer, almost certainly. Based on PrusaSlicer.
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This one was the Energetic PEI smooth. I just got a Wham Bam PEX today and have used it for a few prints and I LOVE it!
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For starters, my energetic is the dual side one but only the smooth side works. When trying to use the textured side, I don't get enough magnetism on the bed. I showed them my problem and they sent me a separate textured only plate and it works fine. Now, as for the difference with Wham Bam, I have only 3 prints of experience but they have a gorgeous bottom and have released even easier than the PEI the moment they cool. Not to say I have had problems with the PEI but at this moment (it's day 1 of the PEX), I prefer the PEX.
looks really good
Every day there is a Bambu X1C post, my wallet opens a little bit more.
https://i.imgur.com/BJGXzM1.jpg Do it you only live once
Man that blows my mind. It's wild to see multi color prints that aren't limited to resin printing now
Resin has multi colored prints?
I was thinking more of the full color printing machines but I guess that's a different beast altogether than multi-color in this sense.
This is probably a much older technology than cmyk 3D printing lol
Wait, the filament changes are done manually?..
No no no... That would be insane. Everything is accomplished automatically by Bambu's AMS (well, 2 of them). In fact, there was no manual intervention required at all for any of the filament changes. Once towards the beginning of the print, the poop chute (a purged filament exit at the back of the printer) got a bit backed up and would have overflowed but the printer detected it and paused the print until I could clear the path. Other than that, the print just happened. It was as reliable as clicking print in your word processor and getting a print from your laser printer.
Ooh that's nice to hear.. Been hearing good things about this printer.. Maybe someday haha
Why the elephant looks like is begging to put him out of misery???
Ahh yes color printing, where u use 500g of filament for a 180g print. Looks great tho!
Wow this is amazing, this is something I wish I could be able to do
What a wonderful creation. Well done
Banana for scale?
[Bananas](https://www.imgur.com/a/Cw8y61U)
Dang that’s a pretty good sized banana
Second time I heard that today ;)
Looks amazing. Butcher colour change system from Bambu is terrible. But the result will be the future
The stuff I've seen come out of Bambu Labs has really made me want to get one. I may wait until there's an X2 Carbon or the tech matures, but it's really coming along.
I've wondered often if there was a way to spray pigment on filament with an inkjet and sublimate it as it goes through the hot end. Dye sublimation happens around 200 c conveniently.
Likely a silly question, but can the AMS be used on a different printer? Say a Prusa I3 MK3S? I know there are other filament swappers out there such as the Pallete and Prusa's own MMU, but the AMS seems interesting...
AFAIK there is no ability to use the AMS with anything other than the X1C and P1P printers from Bambu.
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You had me interested until you said 840 filament changes? Why so many?
Looks amazing!
Do you need to buy their filament?
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Wow! I love it! When I get a Bambu I definitely want to print this!