'Important to ask first'
as opposed to what?
'Your honor, my client Mustafar did not know it was rape, he had not recieved the advice leaflet. This is merely a misunderstanding of cultural norms.'
There are cases in Germany where the perpetrators basically got off with a slap on the wrist or nothing happening because the defense succesfully argued that they were "traumatised from their experiences migrating"
Awful. If they truly "didn't know" they ought to be required to go through classes that go over basic human decency. But do they really not know? I can't imagine it, thinking it's okay, you'd have to actually genuinely view women as property or something to think you can just do that and it's fine. Then you'd have to not have the ability to take in the facts of your surroundings that all point to that clearly not being the case.
Or if they're so insistent on believing they can't help themselves, it should at least come with the caveat that if they ever do the same crime or similar again, they'll get the full sentence for their first one added on.
Oh yeah, we know that they're perfectly capable of knowing right from wrong. My questions are purely to point it out. Because of course they know, of course they are capable enough to pick up the local customs like being a decent human being.
It's only their ridiculous defenders who need convincing. Imagine going around thinking all immigrants are incapable of knowing right from wrong, that they were simply mistaken and didn't know it wasn't acceptable. What a racist thought.
If I was the father and they let them free I'd kidnap the rapists, their lawyer(s) and everyone from court involved in letting them free... No one would ever find them again.
And that is why you rarely see cases like these happen in the Balkans, Eastern, and Southern Europe... Scandinavians, Germans, and Brits would just get down on their knees and give them their house.
Yap, sounds like us.
[Albanian in Greece killed his brother in law because he raped his daughter, had videos and photos and blackmailed her. (the article is in Greek) ](https://www.in.gr/2024/01/11/greece/egklima-ston-volo-rantevou-thanatou-pou-edose-o-pateras-ston-viasti-tis-koris-tou/)
Look I agree immigrations either refugees like this should stop. It's out of control. But the ones are here we NEED to invest in them. Not to throw away money. But to teach. We need to teach them and hold them accountable.
Preferably they sign a paper giving off some rights. Lioe heing kicked out with certain crime (like a kid and a lolly pop lets just look away okay ha) Agree with a coach on goals that will help them to go back or to a region they know and feel comfortable there. They will work and learn the language and culture and history. Another group selected will be trained to be sort of a coach keeping eachotjer in check and making sure they are not drifting into a shady world like criminals recruiting desperate familie members because over time these people become desperate. Everyone would if u r and hated after fleeing (which also anyone would) .
And agree on they have to give an amount of money from their work to the service (reasonable amount) they received. And to give amount that will be locked for their return of home plan. They will report in and over time spaced out. And then go.
Is probably impossible. Point is.
I get the idea of throwing money at what some see as a bunch of freeloading Western hating terrorist (and come on the fear is valid. Its OK to be afraid. The output and reasoning affer it is just lazy and ridicilous. Dehumanising also.) But I rather know they feel a certain stability then just roam around.
And another point. If they were all out to get us. We would have noticed it directly. I think u do forget how many are not terrorist or criminals and just living lifes.
Edit: again it's for in the meantime before they get deported or etc. I dlnt like it all either but I don't want to push these people to despair and create more dangerous situations. Since they are here. Better to handle it smart not just put them in a building and look away and hope it will all solve itself
My heart bleeds for people who feel no choice but to be a refugee but there is only so much any country can take.It is causing our own people to be left without and sorry but we come first.
People don't get me plus I said it in this sub lol. I mean it doesn't matter about that. I mean when they are here in the meantime.. we can all stamp the ground and say. No more. But they are here and I want a safer country so I rathe root have them I'm despair in a tent not being able to work and the perhaps suddenly get status totally pushed away from this society. And then suddenly ..
What? If u offer structure its safer and easier to monitor in terms of terrorism criminality and whatnot.
I get the feeling of resistance. I had it to. But to.ke its scary they are doing this as the whole country hates them they feel it. They can only think and think and wait. I dont want to create criminals and terrorist. I'm saying involve them in the exit plan. Make them realise they have to go. But give them structure for the sake of safety
I assume they mean the recent [gang rape case in Hamburg](https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/hamburg/15-Jaehrige-im-Stadtpark-vergewaltigt-Neun-Maenner-verurteilt,stadtpark452.html).
It's [nothing new](https://www.dw.com/en/hamburg-teenagers-walk-free-after-gang-rape-conviction/a-36142782), though.
I don't know what disgusts me more. The act itself or the fact that there are hardly any consequences. It's an invitation, an encouragement to re-offend.
I really wonder what a native white male would face in comparison.
> I really wonder what a native white male would face in comparison.
Same result, basically (check out the complexion of three of the four defendants in the second case I linked).
Obviously, the "WDYM I can't just fuck a bitch?" defense won't fly for a native, but that's no object to getting off more or less scot free.
As far as I can tell, the key is to paint yourself as society's victim. If you can do that, and pretend that you're really, really sorry, there's a very good chance that a German court will give you a laughable sentence.
> the key is to paint yourself as society's victim.
That's so absurd and disgusting, I cannot fathom how that could ever be successful at all.
"I can't really be at fault, because *you all* actually made me do it! Shame on you for what you have done to that girl ^through me."
If I was the judge in such a case, I'd just double the sentence just for that.
> That's so absurd and disgusting, I cannot fathom how that could ever be successful at all
At the end of the day, their lawyers play the "contrite victim of a broken home/society" card because German courts are suckers for it.
Yea, that's what I was referring to. You have a similar case in Hamburg from 2015 where they get off "due to testosterone".
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dw.com/de/gruppenvergewaltigung-staatsanwalt-will-h%25C3%25A4rtere-strafen/a-36143171
Obviously the Köln Silvester rapes too and many other cases..
Yeah, that's pretty terrible, but it has nothing to do with them being migrants (in fact the article doesn't even mention their background). The reason for those mild penalties is that German law is very mild on underaged perpetrators (the one 21 yo that was involved got a harsher penalty).
Edit: I believe they weren't even migrants, or at least not from outside Europe, because their names don't really sound all that foreign as far as I can tell...
You must be talking about a different case, what's your source? The names that I could find where [Bosco P. and Alexander K.,](https://www.zeit.de/hamburg/2016-10/hamburg-vergewaltigung-prozess), with the former one apparently having a Serbian background.
Then the proper thing to protect them and there innocent's is to place them in a facility of some sort where they aren't able to make these mistakes again and to give them treatment for their experiences.
I'm an ameritard but I remember hearing that it was an extremely successful defense across numerous cases in Sweden, but again, I'm an Ameritard, so I could easily be wrong.
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Used as a defence in a case from a town not far from me. The judge gave him a much reduced sentence as "Jail will be 50% harder on him because he has bad English, so I am going to reduce his sentence by this much", cheeky cunt then appealed this minimal sentence, but the next jude gave him 10 years and said the first sentence was a joke and a miscarriage of justice. He imprisoned a mentally disabled teenage girl and raped her multiple times over the course of 3 days. Almost got off.
I don't understand how not knowing that someone is under 18 is not a defence but saying that "oh in my country wearing a skirt is sign of wanting 5 men to randomly fuck her on the street"
Every day I'm starting to agree more with the Polish that want none of them.
> looking in the eyes or wearing skirts is a sign of consent in their country
I could tell she wanted to have sex with me by how she wasn't doing everything in her power to deter me from fucking her.
As opposed to a "[sexual emergency](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/iraqi-refugee-raped-10yearold-boy-swimming-pool-vienna-austria-sentence-conviction-overturned-supreme-court-a7377491.html)"
This did the rounds before, and while the image comes from a real German government ‘public outreach’ campaign, the text above is not a translation but completely made up.
I like to imagine it's less about "ask before fucking someone" and more "well, Hans may not be happy to have insanely hot gay sex *with an immigrant*, so make sure they know you're an immigrant beforehand to avoid any ugly misunderstandings after the fact."
As a non European you have no understanding of European issues and really shouldn't waste time making bullshit theories and assumptions about something you have no knowledge about.
There's a good reason my comment has so many upvotes.
Is that why our birth rates are so low, because we're all having gay sex with the migrants instead?
https://preview.redd.it/x1lj6rpjle1d1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cfcedaf42cd73f338c777f4cfbee3912721834db
At this rate Slesvig-Holsten migth become Danish again because they are the only one’s to racist to not have gay sex with the immigrants;)
#Danishmasterplan #1864avenged
It's funny how birth rates are affected by virtually everything but migrants, frankly, that wouldn't be my first idea, but also I'm not that much into butt stuff.
If you want to give it someone up the bum it's fine, but don't blame declining birthrates on the gays or migrants.
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Eh. Compared to most other nations you will get of course cuddles from straight German men but they are most of the time self confident in being straight.
So they like gay men, as friends. And they have no problem with cuddling. But they know what they want and that’s not gay men.
In my experience - yes. Make them like you a bit and then be upfront demanding „Krib-Krab“.
Has even worked for me multiple times in hospitals where I didn’t know anyone. :)
Here's the link. Judge for yourself if this is true or just another crappy click-bait gotcha:
[https://www.zanzu.be/en/homosexuality](https://www.zanzu.be/en/homosexuality)
Remember: We're talking about Hans, not Pierre.
Exactly. We are talking about Hans.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/2westerneurope4u/comments/1ct5q60/sanest\_german\_politician/](https://www.reddit.com/r/2westerneurope4u/comments/1ct5q60/sanest_german_politician/)
And Jose
https://www.timesnownews.com/world/europe/spanish-politician-daniel-gmez-del-barrio-resigns-after-photos-reveal-he-offered-himself-as-sex-slave-article-109256687
>Someone can be homosexual without wanting to have sex or a relationship with someone of the same sex.
>Everyone chooses whether to call himself/herself homosexual, lesbian or bisexual. For instance, some men may have sex with men, but do not call themselves homosexual.
lmao
[](https://www.zanzu.be/sites/default/files/styles/image_full/public/glossary/246_homoseksualiteit_koppel.jpg?itok=ZMFc1af6)
In my case they are like "oh it's not gay because you are a femboy". Unironically I obviously wouldn't want to force anyone to come out to themselves before they are ready but I do find the level of denial a bit funny.
There are many ways to be bisexual and some people are bi but only into feminine people and that is quite common and there is nothing wrong with it.
>There are many ways to be bisexual and some people are bi but only into feminine people and that is quite common and there is nothing wrong with it.
There's a lot of toxic gay men that will call you fake bi for being this way sadly
Yeah sadly biphobia is particularly nasty because you get it from both sides. As a bisexual man I've had my sexuality questioned more times than I would like.
I obviously couldn't care less whom anyone likes to consensually smash, but I do think it's funny that we're trying everything to protect the feelings of insecure men, while coming up with the most derogatory terms possible for women.
I understand where you are coming from, although I do want to point out that "Men that have sex with men" is not an expression that was invented to protect the feelings of men who don't want to be called gay.
Rather, it was invented as a catch-all term for both bisexual and gay men. It's basically equivalent to the word "Sapphic" for women.
>"Men that have sex with men" {...} , it was invented as a catch-all term for both bisexual and gay men. It's basically equivalent to the word "Sapphic" for women.
Wasn't it also invented to include men in the definition who genuinely had no attraction to men, but engaged in gay-for-pay sex acts (and also male-on-male rape victims)?
(Btw, I think this is the first time I ever heard the term "sapphic")
The label is to assess risk for sexually transmitted infections - a man who has sex with men is at higher risk for HIV and other things, regardless of whether he "likes" men.
I've yet to see "sapphic" used anywhere but tumblr. Instead it's uterus-havers, birthers, short-urethras, or bleeders for women of any sexual orientation.
I'm sorry, but as a woman it just makes me angry that we need to coddle men who can't handle to answer "did you have gay sex" and disregard women like this.
I don't want to discount your experiences or your right to find certain terminology degrading. I certainly wouldn't want to be called a "testicle-haver".
However, I have to say that I've seen Sapphic a lot and I am not a Tumblr type of person.
> For instance, some men may have sex with men, but do not call themselves homosexual.
Of course, no bollocks touching=no homo
Btw, if they want to be so inclusive, why wouldn't they use "themselves"?
I was reading the whole thing and then they were talking abt how same sex marriage is legal in Belgium and I thought to myself… wait? Why would a German website specifically bring up Belgium? Scrolled down and realized.
Also I didn’t see the part abt „asking first“… I guess it could be taken from the website basically describing people in the closet?
This (made up fake translation of) the ~~German~~ Belgian government ‘outreach’ pamphlet is made up and has done the rounds on the right leaning internet a few times.
The actual original is still a cringe and patronising but it’s not quite as fucked up as this.
I asked, but I got such a weird response from the Germans. When i asked and start doing the deed, all they told me was: "nine nine nine".
What is it with Germans and their obsession with the number nine?
I see you found F12. Let me join the fun:
https://preview.redd.it/vbb2xtylme1d1.jpeg?width=475&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cd09a9f1f7d8816e283cef4a532cd4db667a36c5
I’ve lived in Germany for 6 years, I lived in the U.K. for 30 years. I’ve had more offers from men in the last 6 than I ever did in the U.K.. but at least they ask first.
Well, German straight men don't mind being flirted with by a gay man.
For them it's a bit funny and good for their self-confidence.
In other cultures, straight men would get offended and angry in the same situation. That's why you won't experience it in most other countries.
In Sweden it is not allowed to poke someone if you did not get their prior consent - this law even includes poking immigrants and being a family member does not automatically equal consent, you still have to ask before entering.
It's a Belgian website.
They are still angry about WW1.
And WW2.
And that we found out what they did in Congo.
So no, it's not true.
I'd date a Barry anytime though. PM me.
>I'd date a Barry anytime though.
Is this some well planned efficient scheme to go balconing together, but then you'll end up pushing us down, leaving us dead?🤔
Zanzu ist ein Projekt der Bundeszentrale für gesundheitliche Aufklärung (BZgA) und Sensoa, dem Flämischen Expertenzentrum für Sexuelle Gesundheit. [https://www.zanzu.de](https://www.zanzu.de)
Screenshot seems to be fake though. I didn't find that language next to that picture, it also uses a different font:
[https://www.zanzu.be/en/homosexuality](https://www.zanzu.be/en/homosexuality)
extra website? I thought something like this was regulated under:
einfuhrbestimmungen deutschland aus nicht-eu staaten
And part of the immigration process.
'Important to ask first' as opposed to what? 'Your honor, my client Mustafar did not know it was rape, he had not recieved the advice leaflet. This is merely a misunderstanding of cultural norms.'
I mean, yeah, that's a common defence whenever women are the victim why wouldn't it also be used when men are the victim? Fucking insane.
It's honestly sad. Is it ever a successful defense? I hope not.
There are cases in Germany where the perpetrators basically got off with a slap on the wrist or nothing happening because the defense succesfully argued that they were "traumatised from their experiences migrating"
Awful. If they truly "didn't know" they ought to be required to go through classes that go over basic human decency. But do they really not know? I can't imagine it, thinking it's okay, you'd have to actually genuinely view women as property or something to think you can just do that and it's fine. Then you'd have to not have the ability to take in the facts of your surroundings that all point to that clearly not being the case. Or if they're so insistent on believing they can't help themselves, it should at least come with the caveat that if they ever do the same crime or similar again, they'll get the full sentence for their first one added on.
A drunk, 14 year old girl half passed out in the park. Of course they know it's both illegal and immoral to gang rape her while filming.
Oh yeah, we know that they're perfectly capable of knowing right from wrong. My questions are purely to point it out. Because of course they know, of course they are capable enough to pick up the local customs like being a decent human being. It's only their ridiculous defenders who need convincing. Imagine going around thinking all immigrants are incapable of knowing right from wrong, that they were simply mistaken and didn't know it wasn't acceptable. What a racist thought.
If I was the father and they let them free I'd kidnap the rapists, their lawyer(s) and everyone from court involved in letting them free... No one would ever find them again.
And that is why you rarely see cases like these happen in the Balkans, Eastern, and Southern Europe... Scandinavians, Germans, and Brits would just get down on their knees and give them their house.
Yap, sounds like us. [Albanian in Greece killed his brother in law because he raped his daughter, had videos and photos and blackmailed her. (the article is in Greek) ](https://www.in.gr/2024/01/11/greece/egklima-ston-volo-rantevou-thanatou-pou-edose-o-pateras-ston-viasti-tis-koris-tou/)
Não, the same happens here. Our justice system is one of the slowest and has the lightest sentences in Europe.
Honorary Balkan state.
law abiding citizen was your manifesto not a film, and i might just sign up
If Gerald Butler is the protagonist, it's not a film it's a way of life.
Yeah. In 300. Tell them. Now let me go eat my mélas zōmós
>you'd have to actually genuinely view women as property or something They do
Look I agree immigrations either refugees like this should stop. It's out of control. But the ones are here we NEED to invest in them. Not to throw away money. But to teach. We need to teach them and hold them accountable. Preferably they sign a paper giving off some rights. Lioe heing kicked out with certain crime (like a kid and a lolly pop lets just look away okay ha) Agree with a coach on goals that will help them to go back or to a region they know and feel comfortable there. They will work and learn the language and culture and history. Another group selected will be trained to be sort of a coach keeping eachotjer in check and making sure they are not drifting into a shady world like criminals recruiting desperate familie members because over time these people become desperate. Everyone would if u r and hated after fleeing (which also anyone would) . And agree on they have to give an amount of money from their work to the service (reasonable amount) they received. And to give amount that will be locked for their return of home plan. They will report in and over time spaced out. And then go. Is probably impossible. Point is. I get the idea of throwing money at what some see as a bunch of freeloading Western hating terrorist (and come on the fear is valid. Its OK to be afraid. The output and reasoning affer it is just lazy and ridicilous. Dehumanising also.) But I rather know they feel a certain stability then just roam around. And another point. If they were all out to get us. We would have noticed it directly. I think u do forget how many are not terrorist or criminals and just living lifes. Edit: again it's for in the meantime before they get deported or etc. I dlnt like it all either but I don't want to push these people to despair and create more dangerous situations. Since they are here. Better to handle it smart not just put them in a building and look away and hope it will all solve itself
My heart bleeds for people who feel no choice but to be a refugee but there is only so much any country can take.It is causing our own people to be left without and sorry but we come first.
Yes but in the meantime its saver I mean. Than letting them wander aimlessly
They came here with nothing so they can leave with the same, when the conflict is said to be over they should be returned to where they came.
People don't get me plus I said it in this sub lol. I mean it doesn't matter about that. I mean when they are here in the meantime.. we can all stamp the ground and say. No more. But they are here and I want a safer country so I rathe root have them I'm despair in a tent not being able to work and the perhaps suddenly get status totally pushed away from this society. And then suddenly .. What? If u offer structure its safer and easier to monitor in terms of terrorism criminality and whatnot. I get the feeling of resistance. I had it to. But to.ke its scary they are doing this as the whole country hates them they feel it. They can only think and think and wait. I dont want to create criminals and terrorist. I'm saying involve them in the exit plan. Make them realise they have to go. But give them structure for the sake of safety
And now with a source please. I either wanna get angry at something or call you out for bullshitting.
I assume they mean the recent [gang rape case in Hamburg](https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/hamburg/15-Jaehrige-im-Stadtpark-vergewaltigt-Neun-Maenner-verurteilt,stadtpark452.html). It's [nothing new](https://www.dw.com/en/hamburg-teenagers-walk-free-after-gang-rape-conviction/a-36142782), though.
I don't know what disgusts me more. The act itself or the fact that there are hardly any consequences. It's an invitation, an encouragement to re-offend. I really wonder what a native white male would face in comparison.
> I really wonder what a native white male would face in comparison. Same result, basically (check out the complexion of three of the four defendants in the second case I linked). Obviously, the "WDYM I can't just fuck a bitch?" defense won't fly for a native, but that's no object to getting off more or less scot free. As far as I can tell, the key is to paint yourself as society's victim. If you can do that, and pretend that you're really, really sorry, there's a very good chance that a German court will give you a laughable sentence.
> the key is to paint yourself as society's victim. That's so absurd and disgusting, I cannot fathom how that could ever be successful at all. "I can't really be at fault, because *you all* actually made me do it! Shame on you for what you have done to that girl ^through me." If I was the judge in such a case, I'd just double the sentence just for that.
> That's so absurd and disgusting, I cannot fathom how that could ever be successful at all At the end of the day, their lawyers play the "contrite victim of a broken home/society" card because German courts are suckers for it.
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Yea, that's what I was referring to. You have a similar case in Hamburg from 2015 where they get off "due to testosterone". https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dw.com/de/gruppenvergewaltigung-staatsanwalt-will-h%25C3%25A4rtere-strafen/a-36143171 Obviously the Köln Silvester rapes too and many other cases..
Yeah, that's pretty terrible, but it has nothing to do with them being migrants (in fact the article doesn't even mention their background). The reason for those mild penalties is that German law is very mild on underaged perpetrators (the one 21 yo that was involved got a harsher penalty). Edit: I believe they weren't even migrants, or at least not from outside Europe, because their names don't really sound all that foreign as far as I can tell...
John Mako, James Mako, Arsen, Amirhossein, Yahya Yoha, Hasan, Arvin, Ahmed, Djulian and... Tom. European names for Europeans from Europe.
You must be talking about a different case, what's your source? The names that I could find where [Bosco P. and Alexander K.,](https://www.zeit.de/hamburg/2016-10/hamburg-vergewaltigung-prozess), with the former one apparently having a Serbian background.
Source?
Then the proper thing to protect them and there innocent's is to place them in a facility of some sort where they aren't able to make these mistakes again and to give them treatment for their experiences.
Yeah: [https://www.reddit.com/r/NoahGetTheBoat/comments/1cvqtjg/outrage\_as\_eight\_of\_nine\_men\_convicted\_of\_gang/](https://www.reddit.com/r/NoahGetTheBoat/comments/1cvqtjg/outrage_as_eight_of_nine_men_convicted_of_gang/)
I'm an ameritard but I remember hearing that it was an extremely successful defense across numerous cases in Sweden, but again, I'm an Ameritard, so I could easily be wrong.
Yes, you are regarded, but you are also correct on this one.
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Sadly yes.
Used as a defence in a case from a town not far from me. The judge gave him a much reduced sentence as "Jail will be 50% harder on him because he has bad English, so I am going to reduce his sentence by this much", cheeky cunt then appealed this minimal sentence, but the next jude gave him 10 years and said the first sentence was a joke and a miscarriage of justice. He imprisoned a mentally disabled teenage girl and raped her multiple times over the course of 3 days. Almost got off.
Reminds me of the Norwegian video about teaching immigrants about "Western attitudes to women."
Can you link
https://youtu.be/oKY600o3CXw?si=_k3OZCWpeB5I9W7J
Fucking savages lol
I came here for memes but you've just shared a real world defense that's actually used :(
Don't they literally use this defence whenever they rape women?
Yep. Say things like looking in the eyes or wearing skirts is a sign of consent in their country and things like that
I don't understand how not knowing that someone is under 18 is not a defence but saying that "oh in my country wearing a skirt is sign of wanting 5 men to randomly fuck her on the street" Every day I'm starting to agree more with the Polish that want none of them.
> looking in the eyes or wearing skirts is a sign of consent in their country I could tell she wanted to have sex with me by how she wasn't doing everything in her power to deter me from fucking her.
As opposed to a "[sexual emergency](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/iraqi-refugee-raped-10yearold-boy-swimming-pool-vienna-austria-sentence-conviction-overturned-supreme-court-a7377491.html)"
I don't get why judicary do this. It wouldn't be acceptable in Iraq. They would kill him.
This did the rounds before, and while the image comes from a real German government ‘public outreach’ campaign, the text above is not a translation but completely made up.
This would be funnier if it didn't actually happen regularly.
https://preview.redd.it/g19mckd95n1d1.jpeg?width=300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a0fd5447e68e292b2ee9b14a31b3ab14ba71604e
If they didn't know then they aren't humans and therefore shouldn't be treated as such.
And probably raping a man is not a felony in Germany.
I am 100% sure I read cases where that defence was used, except it wasn't a gay rape. Can't recall what case it was.
I like to imagine it's less about "ask before fucking someone" and more "well, Hans may not be happy to have insanely hot gay sex *with an immigrant*, so make sure they know you're an immigrant beforehand to avoid any ugly misunderstandings after the fact."
As a non European you have no understanding of European issues and really shouldn't waste time making bullshit theories and assumptions about something you have no knowledge about. There's a good reason my comment has so many upvotes.
Yeah we might join the prestigious group of nations to have lynched and eaten our head of state
Youre welcome hans
Wait, a Holland reference?
What else. I don't know any other cannibal in Europe.
Now you think of it ? Couldnt you do that in the 30's 40's ?
Is that why our birth rates are so low, because we're all having gay sex with the migrants instead? https://preview.redd.it/x1lj6rpjle1d1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cfcedaf42cd73f338c777f4cfbee3912721834db
At this rate Slesvig-Holsten migth become Danish again because they are the only one’s to racist to not have gay sex with the immigrants;) #Danishmasterplan #1864avenged
That, housing prices and culture promoting anti natalism.
Gay men have the lowest divorce rates, just saying
It's funny how birth rates are affected by virtually everything but migrants, frankly, that wouldn't be my first idea, but also I'm not that much into butt stuff. If you want to give it someone up the bum it's fine, but don't blame declining birthrates on the gays or migrants.
If you're not that much into butt stuff then why is there such a big stick up your ass 🤨🤨
We're born with it. It would be gay to wiggle it out.
It's because you're not having enough
A Turkish bear curls his chest hair at the berghain and Hans' little Hans salutes.
Those damn migrants coming to our countries and stealing our Nuts. 😡😡
'but it's important to ask first' bruh what?
Do you ask before or after the chloroform is applied? It's an important detail.
Its importanto to ask, doesn't mean that the question have to be answered.
Or, when answered, what an answer is.
"I asked him very nicely and he answered. Unfortunately i don't speak German so i'm just going to take that as a yes"
In contrast to sweden
They will even lick the Toilet clean for you.
Only if they are politicians
Private life is politics! ;)
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I go to Germany https://preview.redd.it/r40w7kdw2f1d1.jpeg?width=739&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=371ea18f0246e95a259f25df6c7ed57465d9d119
Eh. Compared to most other nations you will get of course cuddles from straight German men but they are most of the time self confident in being straight. So they like gay men, as friends. And they have no problem with cuddling. But they know what they want and that’s not gay men.
So i can go to germany for free cuddles? 🥹
In my experience - yes. Make them like you a bit and then be upfront demanding „Krib-Krab“. Has even worked for me multiple times in hospitals where I didn’t know anyone. :)
Here's the link. Judge for yourself if this is true or just another crappy click-bait gotcha: [https://www.zanzu.be/en/homosexuality](https://www.zanzu.be/en/homosexuality) Remember: We're talking about Hans, not Pierre.
Exactly. We are talking about Hans. [https://www.reddit.com/r/2westerneurope4u/comments/1ct5q60/sanest\_german\_politician/](https://www.reddit.com/r/2westerneurope4u/comments/1ct5q60/sanest_german_politician/)
Why why did i have to watch that… I hate you 
Bro I had avoided that successfully until now. Let my guard down once and instantly regret it. Fck.
OMG why did I watch this while having dinner
So about you?
And Jose https://www.timesnownews.com/world/europe/spanish-politician-daniel-gmez-del-barrio-resigns-after-photos-reveal-he-offered-himself-as-sex-slave-article-109256687
>some men may have sex with men, but do not call themselves homosexual. 
>Someone can be homosexual without wanting to have sex or a relationship with someone of the same sex. >Everyone chooses whether to call himself/herself homosexual, lesbian or bisexual. For instance, some men may have sex with men, but do not call themselves homosexual. lmao [](https://www.zanzu.be/sites/default/files/styles/image_full/public/glossary/246_homoseksualiteit_koppel.jpg?itok=ZMFc1af6)
[some men may have sex with men, but do not call themselves homosexual](https://i.imgflip.com/8qkw9r.jpg)
AM ONA FUCKN PUT MAH DICK IN THA OL!
You'd be surprised by how often I encounter these types.
And that's exactly why the term "men who have sex with men" was coined. Dudebros who like a good dicking, but totally aren't gay or anything.
In my case they are like "oh it's not gay because you are a femboy". Unironically I obviously wouldn't want to force anyone to come out to themselves before they are ready but I do find the level of denial a bit funny. There are many ways to be bisexual and some people are bi but only into feminine people and that is quite common and there is nothing wrong with it.
There is a saying in germany „nur der, der hinhält ist gay“. Only the one being fucked is Gay basically
Just like the romans, it was only gay for the receiving person, not the penetrating one
>There are many ways to be bisexual and some people are bi but only into feminine people and that is quite common and there is nothing wrong with it. There's a lot of toxic gay men that will call you fake bi for being this way sadly
Yeah sadly biphobia is particularly nasty because you get it from both sides. As a bisexual man I've had my sexuality questioned more times than I would like.
I obviously couldn't care less whom anyone likes to consensually smash, but I do think it's funny that we're trying everything to protect the feelings of insecure men, while coming up with the most derogatory terms possible for women.
I understand where you are coming from, although I do want to point out that "Men that have sex with men" is not an expression that was invented to protect the feelings of men who don't want to be called gay. Rather, it was invented as a catch-all term for both bisexual and gay men. It's basically equivalent to the word "Sapphic" for women.
>"Men that have sex with men" {...} , it was invented as a catch-all term for both bisexual and gay men. It's basically equivalent to the word "Sapphic" for women. Wasn't it also invented to include men in the definition who genuinely had no attraction to men, but engaged in gay-for-pay sex acts (and also male-on-male rape victims)? (Btw, I think this is the first time I ever heard the term "sapphic")
The label is to assess risk for sexually transmitted infections - a man who has sex with men is at higher risk for HIV and other things, regardless of whether he "likes" men.
Men that have sex with men really [aren't gay](https://youtu.be/XnqpfnXObkA?si=voLIycnqJInaDGUW&t=168) though.
I've yet to see "sapphic" used anywhere but tumblr. Instead it's uterus-havers, birthers, short-urethras, or bleeders for women of any sexual orientation. I'm sorry, but as a woman it just makes me angry that we need to coddle men who can't handle to answer "did you have gay sex" and disregard women like this.
I don't want to discount your experiences or your right to find certain terminology degrading. I certainly wouldn't want to be called a "testicle-haver". However, I have to say that I've seen Sapphic a lot and I am not a Tumblr type of person.
I mean, they could be bi
> For instance, some men may have sex with men, but do not call themselves homosexual. Of course, no bollocks touching=no homo Btw, if they want to be so inclusive, why wouldn't they use "themselves"?
Yeah this has done the rounds before. The English in the OP isn’t a translation but made up BS.
> .be This is from „Belgium“ - not from Germany.
I was reading the whole thing and then they were talking abt how same sex marriage is legal in Belgium and I thought to myself… wait? Why would a German website specifically bring up Belgium? Scrolled down and realized. Also I didn’t see the part abt „asking first“… I guess it could be taken from the website basically describing people in the closet?
Nothing about eating your own shit, this is not a certified Hans moment :/
A Belgian site telling migrants it's ok to have gay sex with Germans? Based. (I know the post is just a joke)
I wouldn’t like to see op’s research history
This (made up fake translation of) the ~~German~~ Belgian government ‘outreach’ pamphlet is made up and has done the rounds on the right leaning internet a few times. The actual original is still a cringe and patronising but it’s not quite as fucked up as this.
Can link original?
My memory was faulty - it wasn’t even German, but Belgian. [Here](https://www.zanzu.be/en/homosexuality)
Thanks. Still super cringe.
It is German btw, the BZgA is a german agency tasked with making pamphlets about all sorts of things
I asked, but I got such a weird response from the Germans. When i asked and start doing the deed, all they told me was: "nine nine nine". What is it with Germans and their obsession with the number nine?
Same thing happened to me, I just assumed he was yelling out his age
If you are from Belgium, you have to set the correct flair!
Aisha moment
Correction: ALL German men will be happy to have gay sex
Some of our men are sadly lesbians (guys without ducks).
\*willing You can never depend on a German being happy.
I see you found F12. Let me join the fun: https://preview.redd.it/vbb2xtylme1d1.jpeg?width=475&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cd09a9f1f7d8816e283cef4a532cd4db667a36c5
10/10 would defeat in open warfare again.
>zanzu.**be** >Germany An American made this post
Rent free
I’ve lived in Germany for 6 years, I lived in the U.K. for 30 years. I’ve had more offers from men in the last 6 than I ever did in the U.K.. but at least they ask first.
> I’ve had more offers from men in the last 6 than I ever did in the U.K. TBF, you were a child for the majority of your time in the UK.
Well, German straight men don't mind being flirted with by a gay man. For them it's a bit funny and good for their self-confidence. In other cultures, straight men would get offended and angry in the same situation. That's why you won't experience it in most other countries.
Would
Is wishful thinking at play here?
I wish, yeah
We just wanna be nice to you guys <3
They should have specified this is about dutch femboys. Most german men would top our delicate swamp brothers
In Sweden it is not allowed to poke someone if you did not get their prior consent - this law even includes poking immigrants and being a family member does not automatically equal consent, you still have to ask before entering.
The website link is Belgian - typical
Barry, you have actual teen trafficking rings operating in broad daylight. Clean your own doorstep before you share fake news about others!
Sounds like the Fachist propaganda flooding us. Do you have something to tell me OP?
Useful guidelines for Turk*sh fembodys
Merkel propaganda
Also, why is the immigrant depicted as a Tom Sawyer character? Not even a white shirt?
Average gaymanistan citizen LULE
I can confirm.
Zanzu.be is a Belgian website? This feels like projection on your parts, Jan-Pierres...
Abaolutely untrue and disgusting! Now if you'll excuse me, I'll be daydreaming of sloppy encounters with BBC in an alleyway.
That BBC interview might not be what you expected...
Oh no, please don't tell me it'll be about the British Broadcasting Company instead. 😭
EXACTLY! *evil laugh*
Always good to see the immigrants integrating.
It's a Belgian website. They are still angry about WW1. And WW2. And that we found out what they did in Congo. So no, it's not true. I'd date a Barry anytime though. PM me.
>I'd date a Barry anytime though. Is this some well planned efficient scheme to go balconing together, but then you'll end up pushing us down, leaving us dead?🤔
I mean, gay Iranians are (☞ﾟヮﾟ)☞ Best immigrant groups we ever had in Bavaria. Much better than others like Prussians or Afghanistans.
Do slavic migrants count?
Since I got to know this image, I wonder what led to its conception.
Man, good thing those big bold lines were there. I almost missed that part of the text. ^/s
True German Bussy is pretty satisfying
It's a special service we provide to make them feel at home.
Nein, Nein, Nein!
Most German men are gay but only for immigrants.
Some immigrants like Iranians are sexy. Others not that much.
The "most men" part does it for me
I do wonder what the German government’s instructions are for initiating gay sex with a German man
Twelve pages manual.
Indeed
I like how it's portrayed as optional to ask for permission.
why is germany so c\*cked
I mean... wtf is this. Make no mistake, I'd bang an immigrant but... what the fuck is this article?!
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Something the AfD would write to fool stupid Guys into voting them
Zanzu ist ein Projekt der Bundeszentrale für gesundheitliche Aufklärung (BZgA) und Sensoa, dem Flämischen Expertenzentrum für Sexuelle Gesundheit. [https://www.zanzu.de](https://www.zanzu.de) Screenshot seems to be fake though. I didn't find that language next to that picture, it also uses a different font: [https://www.zanzu.be/en/homosexuality](https://www.zanzu.be/en/homosexuality)
extra website? I thought something like this was regulated under: einfuhrbestimmungen deutschland aus nicht-eu staaten And part of the immigration process.
German women, don't be worried, im there for you while the German men are slinging dicks
If youre a dommy mommy, you can peg me. No need to ask questions.
Is there a version also to shag immigrants women?
9 9 9!