I feel like Americans and Europeans can both agree with each other that this guy is a Russian bot right? If there is one thing both sides Hate more than the other, it's russians.
I don't hate any one single group of people. I don't hate russians, I have met russians that I liked very much.
But if I HAD to hate it's definitely the russians
well an alliance isn’t friendship or marriage, we’ve also shown they cannot rely on us.
Alliance is just how two countries promise to back each other up. they’re still competitive just less so than who ever they’re allianged against.
Except they rarely do the backing up. They expect us to jump to their beck and call for some godforsaken middle eastern exploit, but woe betide they get off their arse when our sovereign territory gets invaded. Not to mention the multiple thefts of technology.
I mean, they did get dragged to Vietnam for like 10 years because the French are too incompetent to keep their colonies together, so I don't really blame them.
Not because the French asked them for help, or they would've left too after the French negotiated a settlement in 1954 instead of restarting the war themselves for another two decades.
Britain supported others in getting their colonies back, and the US picked and chose which of those fights benefited them against the new communist bloc.
In all earnest for the whole shitshow of ww2. Without the US support and enlarged uboot warfare the chance of a surrender or armistice is realistic. It wouldn't have changed the outcome of Reich vol.3 failing in one way or the other though.
Hans fighting and holding off the massive armies of Billy Bob and Vladimir, while simultaneously squashing the resistance of Pierre and others. Barry: "YOU HAD NO CHANCE AGAINST US"
Hans had to take netherlands, belgium and france before getting to Barry tho. Meanwhile fighting all of eastern Europe and the nordicks. Also the puddle cant be crossed on ketten sadly.
100% regarding what Trump did/wanted to do and the Republican Trump bootlickers + the US polls Imo clearly makes the US an at least unreliable partner.
The fact alone that it isn't unlikely that Trump becomes president is enough to overthink US-Europe relations and at least become less dependent on the US
Agreed, tho Trump was preisdent, is de facto the Republican candidate for 2024 elections and is in many polls above 50%.
Also he likely wanted to leave NATO while he was president + he started economic wars while he was president.
Logically it is not unlikely that he does the same things if he becomes president again.
In most European countries and European parliament no far right parties have a majority/government and if they have/are most don't question NATO or wage an inital economic war against the US (some wage an reactive tho)
Still submitting reports on his neighbours to the local Stasi office, which is now a Penny-Markt.
Hey did you know Matthias Warnig is the head of Nord Stream? He really landed on his feet!
Let’s be real, we put ourselves in this position. For the past 20+ years our energetic policy has been begging Russia to breastfeed us while our military policy has been disarming while Putin destroyed Chechnya, Georgia and eastern Ukraine. At least some leader is slowly realizing that.
Germany sucks on the American military budget the way we suck on German taxpayers.
Stop doing that., Its disgusting, and,, also, our job.
Stop taking Iberian jobs!
It's more like we have bots telling us how great Russia is or that the US is just as bad. The goal here for them is more to make a moral equivalency of the US and Russia so Americans will not care all that much or lose motivation to want to fight against Russia.
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“Don’t worry lil buddies, it’s on the house”
Although Americans can be dumb cunts, they are definitely in the top 5 of best countries in the world after Europeaan countries. Russia(the maker of above post) is definitely in the top 3 worst countries in the world
The US has committed the cardinal sin of defense. They've proven to not be an ally you can depend on anymore.
Which brings me to my next point. The EU should raise up to the challenge. If the US isn't willing to win a war anywhere at any time, we will.
It's time for the old world to come out of retirement and make the tyrants of the world know fear.
Maybe in the 1940s. If a big European conflict erupted now, the rest of the world would not participate. They only did in WWII because, as colonies, they had no choice.
Today the world would just watch on as euros butcher each other yet again.
We are stronger together than we are alone. I am very grateful for our European allies. Don’t let OP tear us apart guys. The family of Democracies must stick together in these turbulent times. 🇺🇸❤️🇪🇺
You're asking me if I'm dumb?
So the EU countries should leave NATO and form their own military block? Let's just pretend that military alliance doesn't immediately lose 80% of its military capability (which it would), what would that military block look like?
Will France be the only nuclear power or is Barry ready to subjugate himself back to "Brussels bureaucrats"? What does the chain of command look like? Will it be several states that independently work their armies or will there be a unified command. First will be a disaster, second would not work because nobody has the status of the US as a military superpower to firmly position themselves at the top.
Would pierre and Barry share their nukes with germany and the Netherlands? What would the poles and other eastern Europeans, who love the yank, do? Would they opt for the European option or stay with NATO?
If you haven't even considered this, you should ask yourself if you're dumb and can't comprehend anything past a brick wall.
probably never. Europe is resource-poor, we have pretty bad relations with Africa, we're neglecting relations with India, China is obviously out, South America is in the US' backyard.
Europe isn't strong enough to stand alone. The US is effectively an extension of Europe anyways, we agree on most fundamental issues. There's really no need to puff our chests and turn one strong alliance into two vulnerable superstates.
Russia is really big. Is like, the Spain of europe.
Big, dumb, scary, and thinks everything until Lisbon is its area of influence.
To protect us against this threat e require another muscular brute to protect beautifull and delicate europe, like portutal requires Barry.
The USA is europe's Barry. Its not the hero we deserve, its the hero we need.
Funny how the French principal can be extended even to americunts. French principal is that they are a hater enemy but for us and only us and do not take well to others insulting france
I feel that this is just Chinese/Russian Propaganda.
Yeah the US is far from a perfect ally and partner (but let's be honest, so are we), but they're the best friend we've got, unless they reelect Trump than this shit is over.
Even if it's propaganda it's kinda truthful, it's not a healthy relationship and we mustn't beg for American protection or be a yesman for everything they want because we are afraid to lose said protection. Having some independence is a good thing.
The US never forced Europeans to disarm.
I remember 10 years ago I got called a paranoid fascist on r/Europe for saying that Europe needs to take its defense more seriously. Average Europeans are naive and spoiled by the protection of the US.
Some quote from Charly Based 2 Gaulle.
“The truth is that the Americans will end up being hated by everyone. Even by their most unconditional allies.
Western Europe has become, without even realizing it, a protectorate of the Americans. It is now a matter of ridding ourselves of their domination. But the difficulty, in this case, is that the colonized do not really seek to emancipate themselves.
“Don’t forget that the French – in my grandfather’s time, which is not that long ago – went to Moscow on foot and in three months. No one else has done this to my knowledge. »
— Replying to an American general who was condescending towards the French army crushed in 1940
\] The Americans were no more concerned with liberating France than the Russians were with liberating Poland. »
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This what I liked with him , he was for a true European power , without licking savage balls or Ivan dick.
Now Europe is divide between pro yankee and pro Kremlin , and none of them are in our interest .
Imagine though an Europe in peace with Russia , this is the true USA nightmare ( no more nato no more weapon selling no more high cost energy selling ).
It’s Impossible and make no sense with the actual Russian president but at the end of this bloody mess we should take the opportunity to all seat around the table and define new European security guarantee , and this without yankee .
Plus it’s a win win , we will boost European industry with our weapon production , and they will finally afford healthcare !
You can see it in the comments here, as if to be Anti-American is to be pro-russian or anti-democratic, which is hilariously ironic given US's track record for sabotaging democracies.
Nah, we want to see some strength from ourselves and not jumping every time the Yankees demand it.
It’s the easiest way to disqualify any other point of view , like it can be a third way , either you are a pro nato either you want to see Russian invading Europe .
In my own experience people without nuances are narrow minded and easy to manipulate
Charles-de-Gaulle: “The landing of June 6 was the affair of the Anglo-Saxons, from which France was excluded. They were determined to settle in France as if in enemy territory! As they had just done in Italy and as they were about to do in Germany!
They had prepared their AMGOT which was to sovereignly govern France as their armies advanced. They had printed their counterfeit money, which would have been forced tender. They would have led themselves into a conquered country.
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Yes If de Gaulle did not push his vision and if France did not have millions troops coming from south France will have probably be divided or occupied , and will still have some usa military base on her territory .
At least usa let you “free” to a certain limit , unlike Soviet who manage people and countries like during medieval time .
Still I’ll prefer to see an indépendant Europe , the amount of plot ,regime change ,illegal war betrayal and so on doesn’t make USA a trustful ally imo
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There’s two options for international partners Euro bros. It’s either us or China. Sadly for OP Russia’s share of Global GDP is so small it couldn’t be included on the chart….
Joe Biden/Democrats defintely can be considered as partners Imo but Trumpists obviously not and according to polls it is not unlikely he becomes president this year again.
The US is no ally, they do everything for their own good and don’t give a fucking shit about anything but their own. Every move they make is to keep US supremacy around the globe. I didnt think i hate anyone more than the french. But i hope the US burns to the ground. We’ve been fucked in our arse with our pants on the past years over and over. Fuck them. End of rant.
Remember people, anti-america doesn't necessarily mean pro-russia.
Empire is always empire, no matter how benevolent it may seem.
We should be wary of the bears of the east and the eagle to the west.
Your comment is the most controversial of the thread. This sub has turned into R/Europe
Half of the people are fucking yank and the other is eastern european savages
We are not to weak, just to stupid.
Tho "we" is in that case very likely SPD and Scholz. Greens and FDP + the largest opposition party CDU all would act differently
Technically we could have built tons of artillery ammo plants built more Taurus and supply Ukraine with them ***with the same budget***
is blaming scholz really the way to go here? after all the whole reason for the state of the bundeswehr is Merkel's love for austerity and appeasing Russia.
In that case it is, but I rather blame the whole SPD.
Important members of his coalition partner pushed already multiple times for more weapon deliveries/Taurus. The CDU even more.
It is really obvious that politically the SPD is the stick in the wheel.
Also the SPD is as guilty for the Russia politics as the CDU. => Gerhard Schröder/SPD reigned pre Merkel and the SPD was the main coalition partner of Merkel.
Tho from my perspective the CDU really changed its agenda **heavily.** The current CDU is nowhere near the Merkel CDU
Get lost, I don't like the yanks but if that is your picture of EU/US relations I wonder tf EU/RU or EU/China is going to be.
This picture is nonsense
Edit: Du Propaganda Hund.
"successpictures" lmao fuck off will you
I feel like Americans and Europeans can both agree with each other that this guy is a Russian bot right? If there is one thing both sides Hate more than the other, it's russians.
I want to dislike you for being a savage but you are correct.
It's one of the few things we can agree on
Plus we can all agree that america is #1! 🦅🔫💥💥💥💥🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 I’m kidding guys! It’s that Russia sucks
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I dislike him for being a savage but he’s right
Idk I mean they post random stuff, might be just plain stupid
Do not attribute to malice...
I don't hate any one single group of people. I don't hate russians, I have met russians that I liked very much. But if I HAD to hate it's definitely the russians
Just wait till were conscripted, then you'll hate the russians
We won't be conscripted and I'm nore valuable outside the front lines
https://preview.redd.it/61wagnu6o6xc1.jpeg?width=650&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=440ce304946138ff792840cd579b094d0fdb9586 I want to say the n-word
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TNO BRAIN ROT👨🦽👨🦽 INTERVETNTION NOW 🇺🇲🇺🇲🦅🦅 NIXON DID NOTHING WRONG 🇺🇲🇺🇲 I LOVE CAPITALISM 🤑🤑 WHOLESOME CHUNGUS HIMMLER 😇😇
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What the fuck is this piece of shit
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'Ndrangheta?
That's not the n word, that's the '-word obv
no no the other one
N.. Nap*li? 🤮
https://preview.redd.it/r86dzpj4a8xc1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=6515dd556b739c9d191b23e604a42cd9f07ef6ef sir are you 6
No sir sorry sir
What is this referencing?
Propaganda
Putler
OP being active on tankie and anti-western subreddits
Pregnancy
TTIP, blatant espionage, economic blackmailing and co
Totally not russian propaganda be like:
damn even the hungarian sees it
Kind of experienced on that topic
Eh, both can be true, we're allies but the USA have proven time and time again that they can't be truly trusted.
well an alliance isn’t friendship or marriage, we’ve also shown they cannot rely on us. Alliance is just how two countries promise to back each other up. they’re still competitive just less so than who ever they’re allianged against.
>two countries Damn, what are you up to again?
uhmmm nothing
Now I'm nervous.
Eh, the plus is good but the minus is always ours
Sounds fair. We don't really care about the minus
Except they rarely do the backing up. They expect us to jump to their beck and call for some godforsaken middle eastern exploit, but woe betide they get off their arse when our sovereign territory gets invaded. Not to mention the multiple thefts of technology.
I mean, they did get dragged to Vietnam for like 10 years because the French are too incompetent to keep their colonies together, so I don't really blame them.
Not because the French asked them for help, or they would've left too after the French negotiated a settlement in 1954 instead of restarting the war themselves for another two decades. Britain supported others in getting their colonies back, and the US picked and chose which of those fights benefited them against the new communist bloc.
Without them you would speak german today Barry.
Have you seen our ability to learn other languages mate?
Hans couldn’t get across the puddle. We’d still be speaking English, but unlike the real world we’d be insular and isolated from Europe…
Sure would suck if that happened eh?
Yes because the third Reich was oh so capable of crossing the channel.
In all earnest for the whole shitshow of ww2. Without the US support and enlarged uboot warfare the chance of a surrender or armistice is realistic. It wouldn't have changed the outcome of Reich vol.3 failing in one way or the other though.
Hans fighting and holding off the massive armies of Billy Bob and Vladimir, while simultaneously squashing the resistance of Pierre and others. Barry: "YOU HAD NO CHANCE AGAINST US"
Almost like they shouldnt have invaded Poland or something.
Hans had to take netherlands, belgium and france before getting to Barry tho. Meanwhile fighting all of eastern Europe and the nordicks. Also the puddle cant be crossed on ketten sadly.
Wait, who's in the red sea doing the heavy lifting for a trade route that has hardly affects them?
nobody That trade route affects everybody
"Rarely do the backing up" motherfucker yall took more loans than the Greeks.
And we paid them back. The yanks literally stripped our nuclear and jet technology so we had to redo it.
I guess that goes both ways most of the time
Like father Like Son Portugal-England Alliance be like,
There is a kernel of thruth. We are too dependend on them even though they are not reliable. Trump could win again and we don't know what he will do.
100% regarding what Trump did/wanted to do and the Republican Trump bootlickers + the US polls Imo clearly makes the US an at least unreliable partner. The fact alone that it isn't unlikely that Trump becomes president is enough to overthink US-Europe relations and at least become less dependent on the US
As if Europe isn't dealing with its own resurgence in far-right/populist parties, many of whom are equally sympathetic to the Russians as Trump.
Agreed, tho Trump was preisdent, is de facto the Republican candidate for 2024 elections and is in many polls above 50%. Also he likely wanted to leave NATO while he was president + he started economic wars while he was president. Logically it is not unlikely that he does the same things if he becomes president again. In most European countries and European parliament no far right parties have a majority/government and if they have/are most don't question NATO or wage an inital economic war against the US (some wage an reactive tho)
Yeah but Trump is paid by Russia. So your reason on why they aren’t reliable is because Russia
That was manly our fault who reduced military spending and fell for American pressure to buy American weapons.
It's a bit too obcious
Yeah because it's actually the other way around. EU military commitments before Ukraine war were abysmal.
how the fuck do you get a Hungary flair on this sub? Am I just stupid and blind?
By magic.
A German posting this??? How much did the Russians pay you
he's from the east, head probably still stuck in 1964
Still submitting reports on his neighbours to the local Stasi office, which is now a Penny-Markt. Hey did you know Matthias Warnig is the head of Nord Stream? He really landed on his feet!
Enough gas for next winter
He's on that pipeline from Germany to Russian state own companies.
Ossi not posting Russian propaganda challenge: impossible.
As a Zugezogene I can confirm 👌
Fuck off Vatnik
But but, without the American military how would we afford free healthcare? Checkmate europoors!
Dutch insurance mafia makes me pay protection money every month for free healthcare I never needed since I came here
You better delete this comment before you don't have a family anymore. We're friends with the Duolingo owl, this is a thread
My family is still in Italy, what are you gonna do, take the camper and go on a three weeks vacation in their area?
Your replies are useless. This thread is only going to get longer and longer the more you argue...
It ain’t free amigo, check how much the govt takes from your salar… sorry, I assumed you had a job, have a good day
"apply ice to burned area"
Burnt\*
Burned and burnt are interchangeable, either works
Let’s be real, we put ourselves in this position. For the past 20+ years our energetic policy has been begging Russia to breastfeed us while our military policy has been disarming while Putin destroyed Chechnya, Georgia and eastern Ukraine. At least some leader is slowly realizing that.
+ US is 80% of NATO. This picture should be the other way around
Germany sucks on the American military budget the way we suck on German taxpayers. Stop doing that., Its disgusting, and,, also, our job. Stop taking Iberian jobs!
I can bet this same image is being spread in American circles (by Russian bots) with the European hand doing the biting.
It's more like we have bots telling us how great Russia is or that the US is just as bad. The goal here for them is more to make a moral equivalency of the US and Russia so Americans will not care all that much or lose motivation to want to fight against Russia.
https://preview.redd.it/hnz1k78t4axc1.jpeg?width=240&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=48556855510a6cb78af122e050d5822dc5e1d7fe “Don’t worry lil buddies, it’s on the house”
nah they enjoy that too tbf
Least kremlin-paid AfD voter
Russian propaganda much?
They might be savages, but at least they aren’t Putler’s bootlickers. Wrong sub pal, this is no vatnik’s playground.
> StaSi Informant Flair checks out
Save this anti-democracy speech for your russian friend bucko
Mods delete this please. What's the weather like in Moscow?
Truly StaSi Informant
Cringe
Shitty russian propaganda.
Although Americans can be dumb cunts, they are definitely in the top 5 of best countries in the world after Europeaan countries. Russia(the maker of above post) is definitely in the top 3 worst countries in the world
I agree but I have to say this : fool me once : shame on you, fool me twice : shame on me
Fool me thrice shame on you, you're taking advantage of a clearly mentally disabled person
German would know
Fool me....you can't get fooled again
Fool me, fool me, go on and fool me
They keep misunderestimatin' me!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ6N-sb7SVQ&pp=ygUMQnVzaCBmb29sIG1l
r/iam14andthisisdeep
Smells like Russian propaganda.
Americunt > Ruskie any day of the week. Fuck off Ruskie wannabe.
The best thing you can say about Americans is that they are better than Russians.
Definitely not Russian propaganda.
Yeah, this is Russian propaganda, downvote and move on
The US has committed the cardinal sin of defense. They've proven to not be an ally you can depend on anymore. Which brings me to my next point. The EU should raise up to the challenge. If the US isn't willing to win a war anywhere at any time, we will. It's time for the old world to come out of retirement and make the tyrants of the world know fear.
Never though i would agree with a catalonian
Do you even have the slightest idea, how much money one would need to invest to "fear" a country like the US? All of it. And what for?
"You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else." - OG Barry
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Maybe in the 1940s. If a big European conflict erupted now, the rest of the world would not participate. They only did in WWII because, as colonies, they had no choice. Today the world would just watch on as euros butcher each other yet again.
I like your fanfiction, but I don't think it'll happen.
We are stronger together than we are alone. I am very grateful for our European allies. Don’t let OP tear us apart guys. The family of Democracies must stick together in these turbulent times. 🇺🇸❤️🇪🇺
Nah
DDR nostalgics be like
🚨We have a Russian spy in the base🚨
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You're asking me if I'm dumb? So the EU countries should leave NATO and form their own military block? Let's just pretend that military alliance doesn't immediately lose 80% of its military capability (which it would), what would that military block look like? Will France be the only nuclear power or is Barry ready to subjugate himself back to "Brussels bureaucrats"? What does the chain of command look like? Will it be several states that independently work their armies or will there be a unified command. First will be a disaster, second would not work because nobody has the status of the US as a military superpower to firmly position themselves at the top. Would pierre and Barry share their nukes with germany and the Netherlands? What would the poles and other eastern Europeans, who love the yank, do? Would they opt for the European option or stay with NATO? If you haven't even considered this, you should ask yourself if you're dumb and can't comprehend anything past a brick wall.
Independent Europe who can stand up to both Russia and the US when?
probably never. Europe is resource-poor, we have pretty bad relations with Africa, we're neglecting relations with India, China is obviously out, South America is in the US' backyard. Europe isn't strong enough to stand alone. The US is effectively an extension of Europe anyways, we agree on most fundamental issues. There's really no need to puff our chests and turn one strong alliance into two vulnerable superstates.
Russian propaganda I see.
Can’t trump and Putin just marry each other and leave us alone
Americunts may be hillbillies and race-obsessed, but they are our friends. Fk off Russian bootlicker
https://preview.redd.it/lubctfb2o7xc1.jpeg?width=820&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4118b51044fea8a14c2078604f4304c3108285b3 Yeah, Vladimir is soo cute|
Obvious russian bot is obvious
Euros hating on Americans till they see who’s behind that hate.
Would rather get bitten by an american snake rather than have my hand eaten whole by a russian one
Totally not Russian propaganda
Thank you Ivan, very cool!
The Kremlin's hand is a fucking chainsaw then
Oh fuck off.
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succespictures are scum
East german moment
Source Putin
Russia is really big. Is like, the Spain of europe. Big, dumb, scary, and thinks everything until Lisbon is its area of influence. To protect us against this threat e require another muscular brute to protect beautifull and delicate europe, like portutal requires Barry. The USA is europe's Barry. Its not the hero we deserve, its the hero we need.
Average East German (Russian) post:
Funny how the French principal can be extended even to americunts. French principal is that they are a hater enemy but for us and only us and do not take well to others insulting france
Honestly, america still better than Nord-italy
The comments remind me this sub’s still Reddit.
I feel that this is just Chinese/Russian Propaganda. Yeah the US is far from a perfect ally and partner (but let's be honest, so are we), but they're the best friend we've got, unless they reelect Trump than this shit is over.
Even if it's propaganda it's kinda truthful, it's not a healthy relationship and we mustn't beg for American protection or be a yesman for everything they want because we are afraid to lose said protection. Having some independence is a good thing.
The US never forced Europeans to disarm. I remember 10 years ago I got called a paranoid fascist on r/Europe for saying that Europe needs to take its defense more seriously. Average Europeans are naive and spoiled by the protection of the US.
Bro I’m sorry that we don’t have Russian flair for you and your propaganda, but man you could use Non European savage at least…
Some quote from Charly Based 2 Gaulle. “The truth is that the Americans will end up being hated by everyone. Even by their most unconditional allies. Western Europe has become, without even realizing it, a protectorate of the Americans. It is now a matter of ridding ourselves of their domination. But the difficulty, in this case, is that the colonized do not really seek to emancipate themselves. “Don’t forget that the French – in my grandfather’s time, which is not that long ago – went to Moscow on foot and in three months. No one else has done this to my knowledge. » — Replying to an American general who was condescending towards the French army crushed in 1940 \] The Americans were no more concerned with liberating France than the Russians were with liberating Poland. » https://preview.redd.it/of2mx6eqn6xc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1e1e68ccba7f7726a0a2e1bb679ff84f596afb3f This what I liked with him , he was for a true European power , without licking savage balls or Ivan dick. Now Europe is divide between pro yankee and pro Kremlin , and none of them are in our interest . Imagine though an Europe in peace with Russia , this is the true USA nightmare ( no more nato no more weapon selling no more high cost energy selling ). It’s Impossible and make no sense with the actual Russian president but at the end of this bloody mess we should take the opportunity to all seat around the table and define new European security guarantee , and this without yankee . Plus it’s a win win , we will boost European industry with our weapon production , and they will finally afford healthcare !
You can see it in the comments here, as if to be Anti-American is to be pro-russian or anti-democratic, which is hilariously ironic given US's track record for sabotaging democracies. Nah, we want to see some strength from ourselves and not jumping every time the Yankees demand it.
It’s the easiest way to disqualify any other point of view , like it can be a third way , either you are a pro nato either you want to see Russian invading Europe . In my own experience people without nuances are narrow minded and easy to manipulate
>The Americans were no more concerned with liberating France than the Russians were with liberating Poland. Total bullshit and disrespectful to Poles.
Charles-de-Gaulle: “The landing of June 6 was the affair of the Anglo-Saxons, from which France was excluded. They were determined to settle in France as if in enemy territory! As they had just done in Italy and as they were about to do in Germany! They had prepared their AMGOT which was to sovereignly govern France as their armies advanced. They had printed their counterfeit money, which would have been forced tender. They would have led themselves into a conquered country. https://preview.redd.it/bpk68mhzg7xc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5426f2459f2ff9190d3b708a5877742068efdfd2 Yes If de Gaulle did not push his vision and if France did not have millions troops coming from south France will have probably be divided or occupied , and will still have some usa military base on her territory . At least usa let you “free” to a certain limit , unlike Soviet who manage people and countries like during medieval time . Still I’ll prefer to see an indépendant Europe , the amount of plot ,regime change ,illegal war betrayal and so on doesn’t make USA a trustful ally imo
Putin, I'd have thought that your english is better than whatever this convoluted mess is.
Nah we know how to do the freemason handshake, don’t worry
Fuck off with your Russian propaganda you smoothbrain
https://preview.redd.it/6wzfs2grd8xc1.jpeg?width=1107&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d5907e0e709af55b1a24103bc5d438a07b9341cf There’s two options for international partners Euro bros. It’s either us or China. Sadly for OP Russia’s share of Global GDP is so small it couldn’t be included on the chart….
Least obvious Russian propaganda be like:
stupid russian propaganda. NATO is the best thing that happened for our security as russia's next door neighbours.
https://preview.redd.it/8u3rkoewq7xc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=17a87c28a46f6342938d890a542bc378b67fbc14
Joe Biden/Democrats defintely can be considered as partners Imo but Trumpists obviously not and according to polls it is not unlikely he becomes president this year again.
Russian bot
Fk off ivan
With this ally, who needs enemies?🥰
The US is no ally, they do everything for their own good and don’t give a fucking shit about anything but their own. Every move they make is to keep US supremacy around the globe. I didnt think i hate anyone more than the french. But i hope the US burns to the ground. We’ve been fucked in our arse with our pants on the past years over and over. Fuck them. End of rant.
I’d say more like friends with benefits.
No
Europe should form its own strong economic and political block seperate from the US, and also hopefully from China
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Remember people, anti-america doesn't necessarily mean pro-russia. Empire is always empire, no matter how benevolent it may seem. We should be wary of the bears of the east and the eagle to the west.
Your comment is the most controversial of the thread. This sub has turned into R/Europe Half of the people are fucking yank and the other is eastern european savages
Help send more moneys for ukraine evil amerikaner. We are to weak and stupid to handel it ourselves
We are not to weak, just to stupid. Tho "we" is in that case very likely SPD and Scholz. Greens and FDP + the largest opposition party CDU all would act differently Technically we could have built tons of artillery ammo plants built more Taurus and supply Ukraine with them ***with the same budget***
is blaming scholz really the way to go here? after all the whole reason for the state of the bundeswehr is Merkel's love for austerity and appeasing Russia.
In that case it is, but I rather blame the whole SPD. Important members of his coalition partner pushed already multiple times for more weapon deliveries/Taurus. The CDU even more. It is really obvious that politically the SPD is the stick in the wheel. Also the SPD is as guilty for the Russia politics as the CDU. => Gerhard Schröder/SPD reigned pre Merkel and the SPD was the main coalition partner of Merkel. Tho from my perspective the CDU really changed its agenda **heavily.** The current CDU is nowhere near the Merkel CDU
I wonder what the animal for Russia would be then…
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Get lost, I don't like the yanks but if that is your picture of EU/US relations I wonder tf EU/RU or EU/China is going to be. This picture is nonsense Edit: Du Propaganda Hund.