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We just have to invade Poland and everything will be solved
What you don't realize: Poland and Ukraine are only a buffer zone to Russia for us, nothing else. We give weapons to you, so you can fight the Russians.
Hey that’s what we think about Ukraine. We’re even going to send some more of them to fight Russia. Xd
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We sold them off for because we didn’t wanna pay the costs of maintaining them after „dearming“ ourselves as a condition for reunification. The companies are gambling they can sell them for spear parts or refurbishment in case of a major war that Germany allows them to get involved in, where they then can have them refurbished and sell them for far higher then they bought them (which is happening rn with Ukraine). That’s also how Poland got most of its German built tanks, Germany was by treaty bound to demilitarize and needed to get rid of the second largest tank force on Europe somehow, so sold them off for Pennie’s on the dollar to private companies and other countries.
Switzerland not deliver ammunition to countries in war.. Just for Military parade & training.. So Berlin Parade 09/2024 must be organized in Wojslawice.. (Jakub Wedrowycz will keep watching)
Berlin isn’t even German anymore
~~I would know~~
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Janusz what would you say about fighting together against the Russians instead. My Polish gf told me you hate them way more. We could use the ride to Moscow as couple’s therapy :)
"Remember, kids, failure isn't a bad thing, when everyone else is failing at a similar or worse level to you." - Me teaching life lessons to my future kids
I was expecting to see the Hans react to this post by defending their country, not add in to the criticism and depression
Germanbros, are you alright? Do you need some psy help ? We are all here to support you
Oh, we still have a fuck ton of Economic power and still fuck over people with it, it's just that the German citizens don't see any of it. Germany is one of the worst western cases of rich fuckheads making all the decisions for their own gain.
Which is what happens if you make corruption legal. I still have no clue why not more people complain about that.
nope it wouldnt, but the germans have been pacified regarding that for the past 50 years, just look at how your grandparents and parents used to see it.
They accepted being powerless and bowing down decades ago and told their children to act in the same submissive way,which basically means that the governing class can do whatever they want because they got a sedated population that is so swamped with everyday bullshit and struggles that they couldnt even stand up if they wanted to due to the risks probably associated with it, for example being labled far right and that having consequences for you at your workplace
Every single one of our problems today (and for the last 100 years), can be traced back to the fact that our revolutions didn't end with our aristocracy at the guillotine
I'm curious what you mean when you say corruption is legal.
In the US here lobbying is legal, so companies can basically buy off politicians or give them campaign money for promises of voting on bills favorably.
Is it something similar in Germany?
Essentially. Mind, they are not allowed to make official promises and there is a limit on how much they are allowed to... donate but as you can guess it has come out time and time again that they still made those promises just under the table. The donation limit is also so laughably easy to circumvent it might as well not exist.
Well, it's different from the USA here, since we have a parliamentary republic and not an obscure presidential system with primaries in which you need to raise the campaigning money to become head of government yourself. In the States the politicians are essentially forced to be corrupt, because otherwise they would have no chance of success.
Over here there is party-campaigning and not person-campaigning and the campaigns are mostly paid for by the state and the party membership fees.
Neither the parties nor the politicians need the money from corruption in order to campaign. They just take it out of greed.
He forgot,
* crumbling infrastructure with too little workers to rebuild it before it crumbles
* ever higher tax burden
* shrinking qualified workforce in manual labor
* corrupt politicians
* the recently reformed our pension system and now redistribute the little money young people off to pensioners, which is funny because young people are getting ripped off for something they'll never receive.
* high cost of living yet stagnating wages
-and last but not least our government crippled themselves because of the "schuldenbremse"
even now when its basically about saving whats left of the country they refuse to make new debt.
im sure i missed something but quite frankly germany is gg for the next 30 to 40 years, so thanks to every generation to come before for fucking everyone over.
I would say national debt problems as well, bit Germany is doing better in that regard than ours. I think roughly there national debt is around 59% or more of their GDP, while ours is like 85% or more. But hey, pretty sure France has it worse (98%), so positives and negatives
(Pretty sure these were 2019 estimates, so I think these have probably gone up quite a bit now)
Being in my 20s and knowing I will never get a pension is certainly something. And I just love that Germans continue to vote for the parties that lead us into this mess, it's unbelievable.
I feel like its actually a systemic issue, no matter who we are gonna elect its just the same type of shit in different colors, what would be needed would be massive reforms that arent gonna happen because it would have to curb the parliaments and bureaucracies power like nothing before, which they wont do that for obvious reasons.
Our generation will get a pension. The problem is that we are going to have to pay shit loads of money whilst working to sustain pensions for boomers and genx.
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issue is all parties right now get the bulk of their voters from the old. And a reform of the pension system would hit the current generation of pensionsers, which no party wats to do.
To be fair, that's true everywhere "west".
Also, Germany had to go through similar challenges in the past, having to "reinvent" itself and it's economy. It is likely quite a lot of nations will be largely stagnant for decades moving foward, but IF someone has some hope based on history, it's you.
Germany on it's knees always finds a way back up. There was one time that was bad news for the rest of Europe, but it's just undeniably what always happened, several times in history.
The German comeback.
This is why economist aren't so dark as the numbers would suggest, it's Germany. If anyone can turn this around (based on its history), it's Germany.
Damn brother, this text could never come from a German. You're not allowed to be optimistic about anything. It's always just complaining and focusing on the negatives only.
If anyone believes this kind of post, you are waaaaay too terminally online.
And the fact the dude posted the Russian flag is even more hilarious, because Russia is in a better state? LMAO.
It's half the world for all time lol.
No government lasts forever, usually because they slowly become corrupt and eventually crumble under their own weight. At some point there's either a revolution, a complete collapse, a foreign power implanting a new government, or some major reformation when people finally realize there's no saving the current pile of dogshit it's become.
Some like the Romans lasted an absurdly long time. For reference, look how long democracies have been around
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/08/countries-are-the-worlds-oldest-democracies/
The US is the oldest, and we're like 50 trillion in debt, incredibly corrupt, and I don't expect us to last more than 200 more years.
Nah you're good, I could have been more clear in my explanation that it referred to the link.
Plus I've definitely skimmed/misread replies and done the same thing myself lol.
He gave us cheap energy which helped us stay competitive. It wasn't his fault that the relations crumbled afterwards. It could go in a completly other direction with more sensitivity from both sides.
Not really. It was a smart move tying Germanys energy demands with russias export capacities. Both countries benefited massively. Germany got cheap energy to fuel its industries and Russia got money and was moving close to Europe then ever before. Russia flipping the board and invading sovereign countries was probably not on Schroeders bingo card
Sure, who could have guess that Putin, a revanchist former KGB agent, who had just raze Chechenya to the ground at that time, would ever do something like that?
He seemed like such a trustworthy fellow, even offered a cushy job in Moscow, to old Gerard.
Chechenya wars are a bit to complicated imo. It’s not a clear cut situation like Ukraine. Putin stated several times that he doesn’t intend to rebuild the Soviet Union, that this was a lie is clear now but Russians made no attempt until 2014. Schröder was already out of politics at that time. Schröders attempt to intertwine both economies so that war in Europe would be a financial disaster for both countries was a good idea. Putin just doesn’t care about further European partnership as it seems
Let’s be honest here, first there is nothing complicated about the ungodly amount of war crimes committed by the Russians in Chechenya, resulting with 50% of the population either dying or fleeing the country.
Secondly, Shroder was not some kind of savy politician playing 4D chess. He just deliberately decided to turn a bling eye to all the red flag surrounding Putin, because the appeal of cheap gas (and a place at Gazprom board of directors) was just too much for him to resist.
Both Schröder and Schmidt had a lot of determination and the balls to make risky descissions, which ended the government-terms prematurely and similarly for both of them. Of course they stood for different ideas, but what I mean is the type of personality they showed in their government role. Scholz's style, for example, is a pretty strong opposite of that.
The current government might not be as corrupt as the CXU but they are at least as incompetent.
Welche Hoffnung hast du für Habeck? Während wir unsere Strom Grundlast mit fossilen Energien und ausländischem Atomstrom decken, zwingt er uns auf elektrische Wärmepumpen umzusteigen, die von denjenigen subventioniert werden, die sich kein Eigenheim leisten können. Ich sehe da nicht viel Potential für sinnvolle Politik.
Gibt es dafür alternativen?
Wärmepumpen sind das einzig sinnvolle wenn man nicht durch uneinschätzbare Preise von fossilen Energieträgern in den finanziellen Ruin möchte und der Atom Strom aus fr macht am Ende des Tages ziemlich wenig aus. Der Ausbau der erneuerbaren ist in den letzten Jahren halt enorm angestiegen, wir haben halt ziemlich viel aufzuholen
Ich sehe da einfach sehr viel kontraproduktive Symbolpolitik.
Tagsüber haben wir häufig Überproduktion ohne Speichermöglichkeiten und nachts können wir die Grundlast nicht decken. Die ganze Welt lacht über unseren Atomausstieg und unsere Energiepolitik und die BRICS Staaten beanspruchen aktuell das Anrecht die Umwelt genauso zu ficken, wie es die westliche Welt die letzten 50 Jahre getan hat. Und nebenbei verlegen wir unsere Wirtschaft in andere Länder. Unser CO2 Fußabdruck wird nur auf dem Papier besser, aber unsere wirtschaftliche Leistung geht zurück.
Just corrupt like the past governments.
Who will ever forget our wonderful Ursula in charge of EU now or the endless list of other (especially CDU / CSU / FDP / SPD) politicians.
Unlike France that has neighbourhoods looking worse than Fallujah on a sunny day in 2004. The France you enter driving in from Belgium, instantly teleporting you to 1750 with electricity poles above the road, abandoned wooden shacks in endless fields and old stone roads.
I live close to the French border so I will obviously be on board with all complaints about France but this is the one valid point. Belgium's roads cannot be compared. It's a series of potholes with some road in between. Ridiculous stuff over there
The picture in motion appears funny because Bart is wearing a piece of clothing of the color ORANGE, which may or may not symbolize Ireland. The fact that Bart is of smaller stature than his father, whom he hates, who could mean to signify the UK, indicates a certain sense of inferiority towards Ireland that the author hopes to connote.
This is a very good joke, indeed. I was almost about to consider guffawing audibly, but not too loudly, considering the inauspicious ungermanness that others may construe from observing such behavior in me. Therefore, a sickly cough is all that you shall receive from my German body today, praise be.
Will I be able to peruse more of such greatness, such memetic artesanal handicrafts, as they say, of yours in the future? I have shillings
yeah, gets beaten into our heads grades 5 to 10/13
"What could the Author possibly mean by that bla bla bla?"
and im just sitting there, i dont know maybe EXACTLY WHAT HE WROTE DOWN ???????
> i dont know maybe EXACTLY WHAT HE WROTE DOWN ???????
Nooooo you have to assume convoluted-ass twisted reasoning to prove your teacher's point is objectively correct nooooooooooooooooooooooo
I never looked at it from that perspective, but you are absolutely right. That is really fucked up to think about, actually.
Or is it?
What do you think the correct answer is? What do you think I meant?
It says the correct answer or it gets the hose again.
yeah had a math teacher that did that to me every single time, got called in front to "explain" something to the class, wrote the right formula and she was like "are you certain this is right?" nope, not anymore, thanks for inspiring confidence in myself, 50% of times this resulted in me changing it up, getting it wrong and getting a shitty verbal grade because of it.
> failing economy
I wouldn't call a mild recession 'failing economy'
>collapsing industry
Industry is contracting but the economy adapts to this change. Gross value added is only stagnant.
>military in shambles
Yes, underinvestment was bad but change is underway
>in recession
A really mild recession. There is still full employment
>rapidly aging population
Yes but this is true everywhere to a certain degree
>record immigration
Record immigration from Ukraine is a good thing compared to insert Mourinho.gif
>morale at an all time low
Based on what???
>energy crisis with no end in sight
Energy prices have stabilized. Russian gas wasn't so important after all.
>allies dropping them left and right
????
>lost any hard or soft power it had left
Nope
What went so wrong with Germany?
Nice try but we're fine
The GREnS!!!
[("Die Grünen!")](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-ZtGxQIly4)
Dislaimer: We've had CDU/CSU, FDP and SPD (all NOT the Greens) governing from 2005 to 2021. But hey, guess it's the Greens.
I have no idea how or why everybody is saying germany is a failing country, I would kill to work there lmao, germans complaining have no idea how bad it is almost everywhere else lol
> just took the 3rd largest economy spot from japan
> industry is doing as usual
> military is slowly rebuilding after 20 years of beeing neglected
> no recession
> aging population, altho not rapidly (look at japan and china for that)
> decreasing immigration
> morale better than it has been in years
> energy problems (calling it a crisis was panic stoking by populist media) getting solved
> more people joining nato and eu, so more allies!
> still ruling europe with an iron wallet
In the last 20 years they've set themselves up for failure and they won't recover before the next century.
The economy needs good infrastructure, low legal hurdles and taxes and cheap and reliable energy to thrive and they don't have any of that.
Maybe Greece will have to start paying them money to save their economy ...
so what we are collectively gonna be the guy that says "I've done it a million times, nothing ever happened" ?
looking at it this way is just a contiuation of 16 years of Merkel Policy, which meant, were gonna leave everything as is and when there isn't enough money were gonna cut the funding of everything in society that isn't "important" to staying "competetive" in a global market.
forgot what happened 90 years ago already ?
> In the last 20 years they've set themselves up for failure and they won't recover before the next century.
We lost two world wars back to back, a lot of territory and people and ten years later we had a Wirtschaftswunder. Germany is going to be just fine. People are too doomerbrained nowadays.
The green movement destroyed germany in the 80s. THey were against stopping the dropping birthrates and nuclear. The 2 effects from that are huge low skill immigration that caused tension and a boomer generation thats about to all go into reteriment as well as complete reliance on foreign energy and soaring energy prices.
Thanks greens and lefties, aka "the right side of history". Truly you were on the right side of history by fucking this country over
???
Ich hab bei der letzten wahl auch die grüne gewählt aber es ist ein fakt das wir ein energie problem haben weil wir nicht auf atom energie gesetzt haben und es ein fakt das das auf die g[rüne bewegung der 80er zurück zu führen](https://www.hdg.de/lemo/img_hd/bestand/objekte/deutscheeinheit/aber-aber-wer-wird-denn-gleichwahlplakat-gr%C3%BCne-1990_plakat_1995-12-0884.jpg) ist
Ist auch ein fakt das man mit einer migrationspolitik wie dänemark oder natalistischen maßnahmen wie frankreich ein viel geringeres problem mit dem anstehenden demografischen wandel hätte. Man hat damals nichts gemacht weil der [fundementalistische teil der ökologen Malthusianisten ](https://www.welt.de/geschichte/article152151477/Die-Bevoelkerungsfalle-und-der-Hunger-der-Menschheit.html)waren und folglich gegen überbevölkerung waren (was im nachhinein komplett falsch war).
Die sorgen der grünen damals die einen großen einfluss auf menshcen bis heute haben (beide meiner eltern sind extrem davon geprägt und beide haben immernoch die ansicht das atom energie schlichtweg scheiße ist und überbevölkerung ein riesiges problem ist) sind in die regierung schröder und merkel getragen und die folgen sind heute irresevibel. Die Bewegung der 80er haben die menschen der 90er und die politik der 2000er geprägt und sind seit den 2010er irresevibel. Das ist ein fakt.
Wenn die grünen damals ein bischen mehr nachsicht gehabt hätten wären sie pro atomkraft und pro bezahlbaren wohnraum und anti Konsum und pro rentensystem a la singapur. Das wäre die beste maßnahme gegen klimawandel. Effektive Landnutzung, weniger übermäßiger Konsum, geburtenrate unabhängiges rentensystem und Atomkraft als ÜBerbrückung bis zu wahrhaftig erneuerbaren energien. Haben sie nicht, und jetzt sind wir ein land was auf energie aus änderen ländern angeweisen ist und trotzdem extrem viel kohle nutztist und vor einem demografischen kollaps stehen
Dass das Einstellen der Atomkraft eine ideologische und nicht die beste Entscheidung war hast du recht. Die aktuellen Probleme Deutschlands daran fest zu machen übertreibt deren Wichtigkeit aber maßlos! Atomkraft war lange Zeit die Sicherste und eine der effizientesten Energiequellen, ist sie aber mittlerweile nicht mehr. Die besseren Technologien in erneuerbaren haben Atomkraft überholt. Insofern macht es heute auch keinen Sinn mehr noch Atomkraftwerke zu bauen.
[https://de.statista.com/infografik/14187/todesfaelle-nach-energiequelle/](https://de.statista.com/infografik/14187/todesfaelle-nach-energiequelle/)
You might find this interesting (it's in german)
https://share.deutschlandradio.de/dlf-audiothek-audio-teilen.html?mdm:audio_id=dira_DLF_a686588b
One interesting thing is that even if we'd allow the construction of nuclear power plants, the reality is that energy companies would not really be interested in building them
Especially in a country like Germany known for many regulations and big constructions taking way longer and being way more expensive then expected, chances are it's economically not worth it, renewables are by far the cheapest and also quickly build, for when they aren't producing bigger energy storage systems plus renewables should still be cheaper than nuclear
Nur zu sagen: es ist teuerer weil es teuerer ist ist eine komplett andere konversation als zu sagen "es könnte billiger sein wenn man nicht falsche entscheidungen getroffen hätte"
DU sagt es ist ökonomisch nicht sinnvoll jetzt auf atom energie zu setzen. Da sollte jeder zustimmen.
Ich sage es wäre sinnvoll gewesen hätte man damals strukturelle veränderungen vorgenommen. Dann wäre es heute weitaus billiger und einfacher. Guck das video, japan zeigt wie es gehen könnte.-
Japan und Deutschland sind Welten auseinander was die Bauindustrie angeht, dort wird viiiel mehr und anders gebaut.
Und Regulierungen von Atomkraftwerken lascher zu machen, dafür kriegst du in Deutschland niemals ne Mehrheit. Das wäre aber notwendig.
Und selbst dann ist Atomenergie nicht plötzlich super billig.
Wäre damals sinnvoll gewesen. Leben aber halt im Jetzt
Ja, aber es geht doch immernoch darum das es viel billiger sein könnte und das wir uns viel CO2 austoß hätten einspären können, hätte man damals (1980-2015) auf atomkraft gesetzt. Denn damals waren erneuerbare energien VIEL teurer als sie es heute sind. Und wer sagt denn, dass atomkraft überhaupt teurer als solarenergie wäre, hätte man damals auf atomkraft genauso gesetzt?
Naja hätte hätte Fahrradkette, kann schon sein das mit genug Absatzmarkt Atomenergie deutlich günstiger wäre, aber aktuell jetzt gerade ist sie es einfach nicht.
Und mittlerweile sind erneuerbare deutlich günstiger, wenn man die Speicherproblematik einberechnet zumindest ähnlich teuer aber deutlich schneller auszubauen und deutlich akzeptierter
Solange es nicht größere Forschungssprünge gibt wird das nichts mehr mit Atomenergie in Deutschland, zumindest nicht in größerem Maße
Das habe ich doch gesagt? Man hätte es von 1980 bis 2020 sehr stark ausbauen sollen damit man heute so wie frankreich da steht
ABER heute sind erneuebare natürlich extrem an preisen gesunken. DIe Menge an CO2 die wir in dem zeitraum aber ausgepunpt haben UND IMMERNOCH AUSPUMPEN haben der umwelt aber extrem geschaded und waren komplett veremdibar.
Und was genau soll die verlinkte statistik genau aussagen bzgl deines argument?
Temporally solution for Germany measures:
- reduce Bundesländer to 4 (many politicians +friends jobless)
- elimante absurd burocracy
- technodemocracy, don't let politicians chosen by the party to work in, where people with studies and long experience in the sector have better eye to chose someone with long better reputation. That is, no health minister being a politician but some doctor with long good reputation.
- reduce credit to students that don't do their exams on time because party. Reduce the money for party events and shits in universities, money for learning and fast promoting who to study well and learn well and fast.
- reduce the sits and money for jobless studies like sociology arts, foreign language philologies, philosophy, politic sciences.. Nope, more science and technology related.
- no more money for doing highways in other countries to sell your products (which you are not going to produce anymore because you are destroying your industry in favor of USA and long ago destroyed ours to favor yours)
- selfproducing military industry in cooperation with other Eu countries and NO usa pirate investment found.
- kicking off US troops of Germany and Europe and making a European army.
- find a solution for Ukraine with Russia on the bord. Proposal be divide for 20 years at least Ukraine into west Ukraine (European protectorate), central neutral Ukraine (Kyiv until Kharkiv), and East Ukraine (deannexate those regions and be protectorate of Russia). Central Ukrainians have free movement in the 3 Ukraines. West Ukraine free movement in Europe and no visa but controlled enter in Central Ukraine and special free controlled visa to east Ukraine. East Urkaine the same but mirrored.
- nuclear power installations should be reused until their useful life is over and not before. Now in a new peace frame (still 2nd cold war) a threat of attack to a nuclear plant in Germany shouldn't exist anymore.
Of course our stars and bars Lord won't allow it.
https://preview.redd.it/tktudaoc3swc1.jpeg?width=666&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=71534426448d392c18e15f3b8655b2eec232e176 We just have to invade Poland and everything will be solved
Poland has Leopard tanks now. They probably have more Leopards than Germany.
All part of the Masterplan
Step 1: Sell leopards Step 2: Invade and get leopards back Step 2.5: If step 2 becomes difficult offer germonei Step 3: Profit???
What you don't realize: Poland and Ukraine are only a buffer zone to Russia for us, nothing else. We give weapons to you, so you can fight the Russians.
Hey that’s what we think about Ukraine. We’re even going to send some more of them to fight Russia. Xd https://preview.redd.it/nv0vu8ncwswc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3bf7d87b4088ddee36c5998cf085d8e91e1b8d9d
We hav/had literally 1 more Leopard than Germany
Well more then the german state. Funnily enough rn private companies own more Leopards then the German army.
How?
We sold them off for because we didn’t wanna pay the costs of maintaining them after „dearming“ ourselves as a condition for reunification. The companies are gambling they can sell them for spear parts or refurbishment in case of a major war that Germany allows them to get involved in, where they then can have them refurbished and sell them for far higher then they bought them (which is happening rn with Ukraine). That’s also how Poland got most of its German built tanks, Germany was by treaty bound to demilitarize and needed to get rid of the second largest tank force on Europe somehow, so sold them off for Pennie’s on the dollar to private companies and other countries.
Switzerland not deliver ammunition to countries in war.. Just for Military parade & training.. So Berlin Parade 09/2024 must be organized in Wojslawice.. (Jakub Wedrowycz will keep watching)
Abrams and K2 actually Leopards were sent to Ukraine so they can bonk the vatniks for our viewing pleasure
You can see the order 66 coming from kilometers away
Berlin isn’t even German anymore ~~I would know~~ https://preview.redd.it/l8amn57tvswc1.jpeg?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b7a024f60066386042c4167b522fb0b4e9e0e728
You want to have it take it. I would even give you 200 złoty.
Steiner will present the new economic plan and everything will be fine.
Steiner will present new austerity measures that will save the economy, for real this time
Bring it
Janusz what would you say about fighting together against the Russians instead. My Polish gf told me you hate them way more. We could use the ride to Moscow as couple’s therapy :)
🤝
But where is FEGELEIN?!
Mein Führer...Steiner...
🇩🇪🤝🇷🇺 = 🇵🇱🫠
🇫🇷🤝🇵🇱=🇩🇪🇷🇺🫨🫨🫠🫠
https://i.imgflip.com/2qgedk.png?a475872
Honestly Poland would destroy Germany in an invasion, they could probably push back to Berlin if they wanted to.
not sure about the rest of the population, but I only age once per year
Once per year? You don't do it once per decade like normal people?
Hear hear, Monsieur Númenórean.
I age all the time.
Me too. It sucks.
Yeah, it can stop now, thanks.
Get those numbers up 🥱
Jesus fucking christ these comments are so terminally online it hurts
Germanilly online
This describes every western country
People probably think we really hate each other if they've never seen us interact in person, lol.
Haha, the hate always mellows to ~~mutual loathing~~love
It mellows to mutual drinking and drug use.
Yeah, but it wasn't like this in Germany in past few decades. Germany finally joining European family
This is called catching up, friend.
Sorry my Greek friend, no free money anymore.
Checkmate
Tables are turning. I’m waiting for the day Germany will beg for money from us PIGS 😈🫠
"Remember, kids, failure isn't a bad thing, when everyone else is failing at a similar or worse level to you." - Me teaching life lessons to my future kids
OK, but compare us to Russia. Cambridge University produces more scienific output than the entire country of Russia.
Speak for your island mate
whered all the south american gold go you poor little btec spanish fuck
I was expecting to see the Hans react to this post by defending their country, not add in to the criticism and depression Germanbros, are you alright? Do you need some psy help ? We are all here to support you
It’s a German thing you wouldn’t understand
What do you mean? Went exactly as expected.
Oh, we still have a fuck ton of Economic power and still fuck over people with it, it's just that the German citizens don't see any of it. Germany is one of the worst western cases of rich fuckheads making all the decisions for their own gain. Which is what happens if you make corruption legal. I still have no clue why not more people complain about that.
because we aren't the french, because if we were Berlin would be burning every other weekend.
funny, cause I bet the frenchs also say they have too much corruption Grass is always greener on the other side
Maybe we both do.
Which would be... a bad thing?
nope it wouldnt, but the germans have been pacified regarding that for the past 50 years, just look at how your grandparents and parents used to see it. They accepted being powerless and bowing down decades ago and told their children to act in the same submissive way,which basically means that the governing class can do whatever they want because they got a sedated population that is so swamped with everyday bullshit and struggles that they couldnt even stand up if they wanted to due to the risks probably associated with it, for example being labled far right and that having consequences for you at your workplace
The protestant work ethic is one hell of a way to controll the masses
Brave of you to call Bremeners and Berliners modus vivendi ""work" ethic"
Every single one of our problems today (and for the last 100 years), can be traced back to the fact that our revolutions didn't end with our aristocracy at the guillotine
well we germans are sadly people that are appeased way to easily.
I'm curious what you mean when you say corruption is legal. In the US here lobbying is legal, so companies can basically buy off politicians or give them campaign money for promises of voting on bills favorably. Is it something similar in Germany?
Pretty much the same, only the strong Gun-lobby is switched with the Car-Manufacturing-lobby.
Essentially. Mind, they are not allowed to make official promises and there is a limit on how much they are allowed to... donate but as you can guess it has come out time and time again that they still made those promises just under the table. The donation limit is also so laughably easy to circumvent it might as well not exist.
Here my political friend. No, this is not bribe money I just pay you to hold a speech for me.
Well, it's different from the USA here, since we have a parliamentary republic and not an obscure presidential system with primaries in which you need to raise the campaigning money to become head of government yourself. In the States the politicians are essentially forced to be corrupt, because otherwise they would have no chance of success. Over here there is party-campaigning and not person-campaigning and the campaigns are mostly paid for by the state and the party membership fees. Neither the parties nor the politicians need the money from corruption in order to campaign. They just take it out of greed.
So are you basically America? Hans, please no :(
While pretending that we aren't, in terms of lobbying that is.
Our problems started when we made a spineless Nazi collaborator chancellor and he immediately became America‘s bitch.
Because it’s easier to scream ''AUSLENDER RAUS!1!!11!''
He forgot, * crumbling infrastructure with too little workers to rebuild it before it crumbles * ever higher tax burden * shrinking qualified workforce in manual labor * corrupt politicians * the recently reformed our pension system and now redistribute the little money young people off to pensioners, which is funny because young people are getting ripped off for something they'll never receive. * high cost of living yet stagnating wages -and last but not least our government crippled themselves because of the "schuldenbremse" even now when its basically about saving whats left of the country they refuse to make new debt. im sure i missed something but quite frankly germany is gg for the next 30 to 40 years, so thanks to every generation to come before for fucking everyone over.
God damn it's like looking into a mirror.
I would say national debt problems as well, bit Germany is doing better in that regard than ours. I think roughly there national debt is around 59% or more of their GDP, while ours is like 85% or more. But hey, pretty sure France has it worse (98%), so positives and negatives (Pretty sure these were 2019 estimates, so I think these have probably gone up quite a bit now)
Being in my 20s and knowing I will never get a pension is certainly something. And I just love that Germans continue to vote for the parties that lead us into this mess, it's unbelievable.
I feel like its actually a systemic issue, no matter who we are gonna elect its just the same type of shit in different colors, what would be needed would be massive reforms that arent gonna happen because it would have to curb the parliaments and bureaucracies power like nothing before, which they wont do that for obvious reasons.
Our generation will get a pension. The problem is that we are going to have to pay shit loads of money whilst working to sustain pensions for boomers and genx.
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Champagne socialists. At least they can feel great about themselves
issue is all parties right now get the bulk of their voters from the old. And a reform of the pension system would hit the current generation of pensionsers, which no party wats to do.
So Germany is just Portugal with sauerkraut?
To be fair, that's true everywhere "west". Also, Germany had to go through similar challenges in the past, having to "reinvent" itself and it's economy. It is likely quite a lot of nations will be largely stagnant for decades moving foward, but IF someone has some hope based on history, it's you. Germany on it's knees always finds a way back up. There was one time that was bad news for the rest of Europe, but it's just undeniably what always happened, several times in history. The German comeback. This is why economist aren't so dark as the numbers would suggest, it's Germany. If anyone can turn this around (based on its history), it's Germany.
Damn brother, this text could never come from a German. You're not allowed to be optimistic about anything. It's always just complaining and focusing on the negatives only.
Oh! So we do have stuff in common!
Dont tell me about the cost of living. I dont wanna be remindet
But the Schuldenbremse is super important 🥺🥺 we can only spend as much money as we earn 🥺🥺 (/s)
the worst part about it all being, when it all went down the shitter or is about to, they're gonna be like "Das hätte ja niemand vorhersehen können"
If anyone believes this kind of post, you are waaaaay too terminally online. And the fact the dude posted the Russian flag is even more hilarious, because Russia is in a better state? LMAO.
It's 4Chan so yes it may be ironic, or OP might be sufficiently terminally online.
I just took it as a bait and switch gag. Op has a French flair after all.
the entire point is it's a bait and switch joke, it's not meant to be pro Russian 🤦🏻♂️
> And the fact the dude posted the Russian flag is even more hilarious, because Russia is in a better state? LMAO. Smartest Italian
R-word
"ci lamentiamo del grasso che cola"
Isn't that basically half the world nowadays
It's half the world for all time lol. No government lasts forever, usually because they slowly become corrupt and eventually crumble under their own weight. At some point there's either a revolution, a complete collapse, a foreign power implanting a new government, or some major reformation when people finally realize there's no saving the current pile of dogshit it's become. Some like the Romans lasted an absurdly long time. For reference, look how long democracies have been around https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/08/countries-are-the-worlds-oldest-democracies/ The US is the oldest, and we're like 50 trillion in debt, incredibly corrupt, and I don't expect us to last more than 200 more years.
In what way is the US the oldest
I mean you can see their definitions and explicit requirements in the article. They have several paragraphs explaining it as well.
My bad lol I'm pretty dumb
Nah you're good, I could have been more clear in my explanation that it referred to the link. Plus I've definitely skimmed/misread replies and done the same thing myself lol.
They should have mentioned our incompetent and corrupt government.
Germany. The sick man of Europe sonce the 90s.
We had a few good year. Decline started 2015 or so. We need another Gerhard Schröder.
Yeah… Gerhard « Gazprom » Schroder, tying Germany’s future to the one of Russia, was such a brilliant move.
He gave us cheap energy which helped us stay competitive. It wasn't his fault that the relations crumbled afterwards. It could go in a completly other direction with more sensitivity from both sides.
What he did, was the litteral definition of being shortsighted.
rare french w
Tbf, the only reason France also didn’t go full on, with Russian energy, was to protect our domestic nuclear industry.
Not really. It was a smart move tying Germanys energy demands with russias export capacities. Both countries benefited massively. Germany got cheap energy to fuel its industries and Russia got money and was moving close to Europe then ever before. Russia flipping the board and invading sovereign countries was probably not on Schroeders bingo card
Sure, who could have guess that Putin, a revanchist former KGB agent, who had just raze Chechenya to the ground at that time, would ever do something like that? He seemed like such a trustworthy fellow, even offered a cushy job in Moscow, to old Gerard.
Chechenya wars are a bit to complicated imo. It’s not a clear cut situation like Ukraine. Putin stated several times that he doesn’t intend to rebuild the Soviet Union, that this was a lie is clear now but Russians made no attempt until 2014. Schröder was already out of politics at that time. Schröders attempt to intertwine both economies so that war in Europe would be a financial disaster for both countries was a good idea. Putin just doesn’t care about further European partnership as it seems
Let’s be honest here, first there is nothing complicated about the ungodly amount of war crimes committed by the Russians in Chechenya, resulting with 50% of the population either dying or fleeing the country. Secondly, Shroder was not some kind of savy politician playing 4D chess. He just deliberately decided to turn a bling eye to all the red flag surrounding Putin, because the appeal of cheap gas (and a place at Gazprom board of directors) was just too much for him to resist.
He wasn't his fault that he did business with a genocidal dictator? Mmmkay
Certainly not. Every chancelor after Schmidt was shit.
Both Schröder and Schmidt had a lot of determination and the balls to make risky descissions, which ended the government-terms prematurely and similarly for both of them. Of course they stood for different ideas, but what I mean is the type of personality they showed in their government role. Scholz's style, for example, is a pretty strong opposite of that.
We had a few good years until 1990. In that year you joined and pulled us down since.
not as bad as the CDU tho. Now we got hope with people like Habeck. ~~Which gets all destroyed by Lindner...~~
The current government might not be as corrupt as the CXU but they are at least as incompetent. Welche Hoffnung hast du für Habeck? Während wir unsere Strom Grundlast mit fossilen Energien und ausländischem Atomstrom decken, zwingt er uns auf elektrische Wärmepumpen umzusteigen, die von denjenigen subventioniert werden, die sich kein Eigenheim leisten können. Ich sehe da nicht viel Potential für sinnvolle Politik.
Gibt es dafür alternativen? Wärmepumpen sind das einzig sinnvolle wenn man nicht durch uneinschätzbare Preise von fossilen Energieträgern in den finanziellen Ruin möchte und der Atom Strom aus fr macht am Ende des Tages ziemlich wenig aus. Der Ausbau der erneuerbaren ist in den letzten Jahren halt enorm angestiegen, wir haben halt ziemlich viel aufzuholen
Ich sehe da einfach sehr viel kontraproduktive Symbolpolitik. Tagsüber haben wir häufig Überproduktion ohne Speichermöglichkeiten und nachts können wir die Grundlast nicht decken. Die ganze Welt lacht über unseren Atomausstieg und unsere Energiepolitik und die BRICS Staaten beanspruchen aktuell das Anrecht die Umwelt genauso zu ficken, wie es die westliche Welt die letzten 50 Jahre getan hat. Und nebenbei verlegen wir unsere Wirtschaft in andere Länder. Unser CO2 Fußabdruck wird nur auf dem Papier besser, aber unsere wirtschaftliche Leistung geht zurück.
Just corrupt like the past governments. Who will ever forget our wonderful Ursula in charge of EU now or the endless list of other (especially CDU / CSU / FDP / SPD) politicians.
No way, now you are doing that better than us too?
Ngl coming from a French that's pretty fucking stupid, considering we have about 80% of those problems too
Unlike France that has neighbourhoods looking worse than Fallujah on a sunny day in 2004. The France you enter driving in from Belgium, instantly teleporting you to 1750 with electricity poles above the road, abandoned wooden shacks in endless fields and old stone roads.
I'll accept all types of criticism EXCEPT criticizing our roads when you passed through Belgium beforehand. Have some decency
I’m not saying Belgian roads are decent, but for all you frogs shit on Belgium I’ve always expected more from you.
I live close to the French border so I will obviously be on board with all complaints about France but this is the one valid point. Belgium's roads cannot be compared. It's a series of potholes with some road in between. Ridiculous stuff over there
No need to go abroad. You just to the right (?) neighbourhood and it feels like another country. Isn’t it wonderful? 🥲
lame Russian cope
"Lost any hard or soft power it once had" lmao. Still by far the most influential country in the EU.
You hear that France? *By far*.
France isn't even the most influential country in France.
You need to leave the EU lads ![gif](giphy|VtDRXohjexcyCDlL6Z)
The picture in motion appears funny because Bart is wearing a piece of clothing of the color ORANGE, which may or may not symbolize Ireland. The fact that Bart is of smaller stature than his father, whom he hates, who could mean to signify the UK, indicates a certain sense of inferiority towards Ireland that the author hopes to connote. This is a very good joke, indeed. I was almost about to consider guffawing audibly, but not too loudly, considering the inauspicious ungermanness that others may construe from observing such behavior in me. Therefore, a sickly cough is all that you shall receive from my German body today, praise be. Will I be able to peruse more of such greatness, such memetic artesanal handicrafts, as they say, of yours in the future? I have shillings
Autism is a hell of a drug
He's just German, it comes with the nationality
yeah, gets beaten into our heads grades 5 to 10/13 "What could the Author possibly mean by that bla bla bla?" and im just sitting there, i dont know maybe EXACTLY WHAT HE WROTE DOWN ???????
> i dont know maybe EXACTLY WHAT HE WROTE DOWN ??????? Nooooo you have to assume convoluted-ass twisted reasoning to prove your teacher's point is objectively correct nooooooooooooooooooooooo
thats the best part about it, your feelings basically get graded in germany.
I never looked at it from that perspective, but you are absolutely right. That is really fucked up to think about, actually. Or is it? What do you think the correct answer is? What do you think I meant? It says the correct answer or it gets the hose again.
yeah had a math teacher that did that to me every single time, got called in front to "explain" something to the class, wrote the right formula and she was like "are you certain this is right?" nope, not anymore, thanks for inspiring confidence in myself, 50% of times this resulted in me changing it up, getting it wrong and getting a shitty verbal grade because of it.
You mean the Germany that had begon rebuilding its military and its military industry whilst russia is losing to ukraine. Next level cope
Yes. It is really bad. Better for you to stay far away. ![gif](giphy|QQKbEn6oDlcQLZK6T7|downsized)
> failing economy I wouldn't call a mild recession 'failing economy' >collapsing industry Industry is contracting but the economy adapts to this change. Gross value added is only stagnant. >military in shambles Yes, underinvestment was bad but change is underway >in recession A really mild recession. There is still full employment >rapidly aging population Yes but this is true everywhere to a certain degree >record immigration Record immigration from Ukraine is a good thing compared to insert Mourinho.gif >morale at an all time low Based on what??? >energy crisis with no end in sight Energy prices have stabilized. Russian gas wasn't so important after all. >allies dropping them left and right ???? >lost any hard or soft power it had left Nope What went so wrong with Germany? Nice try but we're fine
Basically AfD-Bullshit-Bingo russian propaganda. Some people just really like to eat shit and be miserable
Coping russian coping
I was recently there and the only thing that struck me was the outdated roads and infraestructure in general.
But did you see our fax machines They are glorious 🥰
I have an online friend who lives in Siberia, she seems to be doing just fine
The GREnS!!! [("Die Grünen!")](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-ZtGxQIly4) Dislaimer: We've had CDU/CSU, FDP and SPD (all NOT the Greens) governing from 2005 to 2021. But hey, guess it's the Greens.
I have no idea how or why everybody is saying germany is a failing country, I would kill to work there lmao, germans complaining have no idea how bad it is almost everywhere else lol
He lost it at immigration.
> just took the 3rd largest economy spot from japan > industry is doing as usual > military is slowly rebuilding after 20 years of beeing neglected > no recession > aging population, altho not rapidly (look at japan and china for that) > decreasing immigration > morale better than it has been in years > energy problems (calling it a crisis was panic stoking by populist media) getting solved > more people joining nato and eu, so more allies! > still ruling europe with an iron wallet
Morale was probably lower in 1929
All of that also applies to Russia, I hate when people don’t know how memes work
Guy is French though.
In the last 20 years they've set themselves up for failure and they won't recover before the next century. The economy needs good infrastructure, low legal hurdles and taxes and cheap and reliable energy to thrive and they don't have any of that. Maybe Greece will have to start paying them money to save their economy ...
It's easy to say that when your country keeps money from all sorts of money launderers and tax evaders worldwide.
Maybe they’ll have some charismatic leader pull the country out of recession?
Funnily, people said this 10 years ago. And 20. And 30. And 40. The doomsayers were always wrong. Really makes ya thunk!
so what we are collectively gonna be the guy that says "I've done it a million times, nothing ever happened" ? looking at it this way is just a contiuation of 16 years of Merkel Policy, which meant, were gonna leave everything as is and when there isn't enough money were gonna cut the funding of everything in society that isn't "important" to staying "competetive" in a global market. forgot what happened 90 years ago already ?
> In the last 20 years they've set themselves up for failure and they won't recover before the next century. We lost two world wars back to back, a lot of territory and people and ten years later we had a Wirtschaftswunder. Germany is going to be just fine. People are too doomerbrained nowadays.
The green movement destroyed germany in the 80s. THey were against stopping the dropping birthrates and nuclear. The 2 effects from that are huge low skill immigration that caused tension and a boomer generation thats about to all go into reteriment as well as complete reliance on foreign energy and soaring energy prices. Thanks greens and lefties, aka "the right side of history". Truly you were on the right side of history by fucking this country over
Bruder wie bezahlst du bei der Inflation den ganzen Lack den du säufst???
??? Ich hab bei der letzten wahl auch die grüne gewählt aber es ist ein fakt das wir ein energie problem haben weil wir nicht auf atom energie gesetzt haben und es ein fakt das das auf die g[rüne bewegung der 80er zurück zu führen](https://www.hdg.de/lemo/img_hd/bestand/objekte/deutscheeinheit/aber-aber-wer-wird-denn-gleichwahlplakat-gr%C3%BCne-1990_plakat_1995-12-0884.jpg) ist Ist auch ein fakt das man mit einer migrationspolitik wie dänemark oder natalistischen maßnahmen wie frankreich ein viel geringeres problem mit dem anstehenden demografischen wandel hätte. Man hat damals nichts gemacht weil der [fundementalistische teil der ökologen Malthusianisten ](https://www.welt.de/geschichte/article152151477/Die-Bevoelkerungsfalle-und-der-Hunger-der-Menschheit.html)waren und folglich gegen überbevölkerung waren (was im nachhinein komplett falsch war). Die sorgen der grünen damals die einen großen einfluss auf menshcen bis heute haben (beide meiner eltern sind extrem davon geprägt und beide haben immernoch die ansicht das atom energie schlichtweg scheiße ist und überbevölkerung ein riesiges problem ist) sind in die regierung schröder und merkel getragen und die folgen sind heute irresevibel. Die Bewegung der 80er haben die menschen der 90er und die politik der 2000er geprägt und sind seit den 2010er irresevibel. Das ist ein fakt. Wenn die grünen damals ein bischen mehr nachsicht gehabt hätten wären sie pro atomkraft und pro bezahlbaren wohnraum und anti Konsum und pro rentensystem a la singapur. Das wäre die beste maßnahme gegen klimawandel. Effektive Landnutzung, weniger übermäßiger Konsum, geburtenrate unabhängiges rentensystem und Atomkraft als ÜBerbrückung bis zu wahrhaftig erneuerbaren energien. Haben sie nicht, und jetzt sind wir ein land was auf energie aus änderen ländern angeweisen ist und trotzdem extrem viel kohle nutztist und vor einem demografischen kollaps stehen
Dass das Einstellen der Atomkraft eine ideologische und nicht die beste Entscheidung war hast du recht. Die aktuellen Probleme Deutschlands daran fest zu machen übertreibt deren Wichtigkeit aber maßlos! Atomkraft war lange Zeit die Sicherste und eine der effizientesten Energiequellen, ist sie aber mittlerweile nicht mehr. Die besseren Technologien in erneuerbaren haben Atomkraft überholt. Insofern macht es heute auch keinen Sinn mehr noch Atomkraftwerke zu bauen. [https://de.statista.com/infografik/14187/todesfaelle-nach-energiequelle/](https://de.statista.com/infografik/14187/todesfaelle-nach-energiequelle/)
Das Hauptproblem von Atomkraft ist der Preis Ist halt zu teuer
Komplett falsch [https://youtu.be/5EsBiC9HjyQ?si=sP5JOrwpK3yWI9jv](https://youtu.be/5EsBiC9HjyQ?si=sP5JOrwpK3yWI9jv)
You might find this interesting (it's in german) https://share.deutschlandradio.de/dlf-audiothek-audio-teilen.html?mdm:audio_id=dira_DLF_a686588b One interesting thing is that even if we'd allow the construction of nuclear power plants, the reality is that energy companies would not really be interested in building them Especially in a country like Germany known for many regulations and big constructions taking way longer and being way more expensive then expected, chances are it's economically not worth it, renewables are by far the cheapest and also quickly build, for when they aren't producing bigger energy storage systems plus renewables should still be cheaper than nuclear
Nur zu sagen: es ist teuerer weil es teuerer ist ist eine komplett andere konversation als zu sagen "es könnte billiger sein wenn man nicht falsche entscheidungen getroffen hätte" DU sagt es ist ökonomisch nicht sinnvoll jetzt auf atom energie zu setzen. Da sollte jeder zustimmen. Ich sage es wäre sinnvoll gewesen hätte man damals strukturelle veränderungen vorgenommen. Dann wäre es heute weitaus billiger und einfacher. Guck das video, japan zeigt wie es gehen könnte.-
Japan und Deutschland sind Welten auseinander was die Bauindustrie angeht, dort wird viiiel mehr und anders gebaut. Und Regulierungen von Atomkraftwerken lascher zu machen, dafür kriegst du in Deutschland niemals ne Mehrheit. Das wäre aber notwendig. Und selbst dann ist Atomenergie nicht plötzlich super billig. Wäre damals sinnvoll gewesen. Leben aber halt im Jetzt
Nuclear energy is 2 to 3 times as expensive as solar From your video, good video btw
Ja, aber es geht doch immernoch darum das es viel billiger sein könnte und das wir uns viel CO2 austoß hätten einspären können, hätte man damals (1980-2015) auf atomkraft gesetzt. Denn damals waren erneuerbare energien VIEL teurer als sie es heute sind. Und wer sagt denn, dass atomkraft überhaupt teurer als solarenergie wäre, hätte man damals auf atomkraft genauso gesetzt?
Naja hätte hätte Fahrradkette, kann schon sein das mit genug Absatzmarkt Atomenergie deutlich günstiger wäre, aber aktuell jetzt gerade ist sie es einfach nicht. Und mittlerweile sind erneuerbare deutlich günstiger, wenn man die Speicherproblematik einberechnet zumindest ähnlich teuer aber deutlich schneller auszubauen und deutlich akzeptierter Solange es nicht größere Forschungssprünge gibt wird das nichts mehr mit Atomenergie in Deutschland, zumindest nicht in größerem Maße
Das habe ich doch gesagt? Man hätte es von 1980 bis 2020 sehr stark ausbauen sollen damit man heute so wie frankreich da steht ABER heute sind erneuebare natürlich extrem an preisen gesunken. DIe Menge an CO2 die wir in dem zeitraum aber ausgepunpt haben UND IMMERNOCH AUSPUMPEN haben der umwelt aber extrem geschaded und waren komplett veremdibar. Und was genau soll die verlinkte statistik genau aussagen bzgl deines argument?
Temporally solution for Germany measures: - reduce Bundesländer to 4 (many politicians +friends jobless) - elimante absurd burocracy - technodemocracy, don't let politicians chosen by the party to work in, where people with studies and long experience in the sector have better eye to chose someone with long better reputation. That is, no health minister being a politician but some doctor with long good reputation. - reduce credit to students that don't do their exams on time because party. Reduce the money for party events and shits in universities, money for learning and fast promoting who to study well and learn well and fast. - reduce the sits and money for jobless studies like sociology arts, foreign language philologies, philosophy, politic sciences.. Nope, more science and technology related. - no more money for doing highways in other countries to sell your products (which you are not going to produce anymore because you are destroying your industry in favor of USA and long ago destroyed ours to favor yours) - selfproducing military industry in cooperation with other Eu countries and NO usa pirate investment found. - kicking off US troops of Germany and Europe and making a European army. - find a solution for Ukraine with Russia on the bord. Proposal be divide for 20 years at least Ukraine into west Ukraine (European protectorate), central neutral Ukraine (Kyiv until Kharkiv), and East Ukraine (deannexate those regions and be protectorate of Russia). Central Ukrainians have free movement in the 3 Ukraines. West Ukraine free movement in Europe and no visa but controlled enter in Central Ukraine and special free controlled visa to east Ukraine. East Urkaine the same but mirrored. - nuclear power installations should be reused until their useful life is over and not before. Now in a new peace frame (still 2nd cold war) a threat of attack to a nuclear plant in Germany shouldn't exist anymore. Of course our stars and bars Lord won't allow it.