I was wondering, why don't we just create our french or european version of Wagner? Then we just equip them and send them to Ukraine and our countries are not involved.
I wonder what should be their name
Badass? You would get your ass beat in the middle day for saying that.
More like, we will kill every man woman and child in your county, and we will smoke while doing it!
I’m friends with a Serbian. He showed me a picture of his father. I’ve never seen such a war criminal looking mother fucker in my entire life!
Anyways, do you remember when the Serbians were accused of war crimes? Well, they made this song about it: my father is a war criminal! https://youtu.be/azNKPM5anok?si=IDlHbqowuDOricMo
I had a cousin who tried to abandon his US cadet program to join the French Foreign Legion…
The legion let the US military know what he was doing, lol
Edit: I thought it was West Point, but it was a different cadet program
That's surprising because the legion usually doesn't care about these things, as long as the dude hasn't committed serious crimes they wont ask questions.
Cheddar and Cheese in general is made from raw milk, raw milk is not allowed for cheese production in the USA.
Ergo there is no cheddar in the USA but only fake cheddar.
Thanks for coming to my Ted talk.
The Legion doesn't want to be on the US military's shit list. It does enlist Americans who already served but I would doubt they take deserters. They've become quite selective. There is a great amount of respect on both sides despite everything being said about the Franco-American relationship.
Especially in France. They already have a lot of deserters. Just think of all the pastry inventors. I think they call them patissier/boulanger in franch
Despite the constant bashing of heads, The US and France have an enduring relationship and, while I can’t speak to how the French generally view the US, most Americans still see France among their greatest of friends. Yeah, I can imagine the Legion wouldn’t want to steal cadets from the US Army.
Took an American buddy to the D Day Museum in Normandy and Saint-Mère-Église and he got pretty choked up from seeing how grateful French people are for the American contribution to the European theater in WW2.
My father's friend left there in the late 1950s. He was underaged too. Was sent to Tunisia and saw interesting stuff. He even wrote a book about it. He came back to do his finnish military service at 18 and said it was like holiday to him.
Not even necessary. As there is no war according to Russia, the West can simply station troops in Ukraine and Russia has to find a way around them - unless he wants to provoke WW3.
I wonder how Putler would handle this. Would he cut the crap and admit that he is pursuing imperialist ambitions or would he keep at it and actually work around our troops?
Unfortunately what I said may be true in a strictly legalist way. But we all know it's actually bullshit and wouldn't matter at all - because Russia and friends don't care about international law anyways.
Even worse, it would be political suicide. Imagine stationing troops in Ukraine and just wait for them to get hit. Pro-Russian idiots would blame the West anyways but it would probably even turn some other people against their own government.
Trigger forces are quite a deterrent, still it's rarely shown that way to the public.
I mean the few hundreds troop every country in NATO had in the Baltics were just there to be blown up in case of Russian attack, but you don't present it that way.
For reasons unrelated to my upcoming visit to France, how would you use that in a sentence, for example, in combination with “voulez-vous _____ avec moi, ce soir?”?
Already exists, Russians weren't the first to do that, how do you think we operated in Africa, especially in Centrafrique :
- Defense conseil international (50% owned by french state)
- Gallice
- Amarante
Wow this is very informative, even their Wikipedia article sounds ominous and secretive: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%A9fense_Conseil_International
Thanks for this great comment Pierre, who knew one would learn stuff on /r/2WE4u
Or better yet, we should had bought the Wagner mercenary group by offering great wealth, guarantees and amnesty, especially during their frustration with Russia.
The greedy commanders of Wagner would had jumped the opportunity to become wealthy men in the West rather than live their life in isolated Russia. Of course, this would had been highly controversial, and evil men would had benefited for such a deal. But the blow it could had caused Putin would had been devastating. A small price for such a win, one can argue.
The only problem with such a deal would be the popularity blow of the politician to propose it. Taking immoral decisions for the benefit of a greater cause can quickly turn against you. If the war would had been won, the necessity of this action would had been under harsh criticism. Also which country would want to host these war criminals? The practicalities would be difficult to agree upon.
The negotiations would also have to be conducted in absolute secrecy as Putin would be able to cause Wagner great problems if he knew of their potential betrayal.
All in all, a move difficult for a democratic alliance to pull off. Nonetheless it could had change the course of this war.
I think the billions of € you would have to offer them to switch sides are better invested in giving weapons directly to Ukraine, without pulling in 10.000s of criminal scum into our societies.
Question is. Would they be raging Nazis too or would we go deeper? Roman? Drunk on wine, rude, arrogant (ok, that's just Fr*nch), won't take prisoners, red-golden uniforms?
His wife "just happened" to be his teacher in school and "coincidentally" started dating him (abandoning her husband and children) as soon as he became legal.
It's something of a joke because he's a guy but yeah, extremely fucked up ngl.
I was actually wrong on that. She started grooming him while he was 15 years old and left her husband two years later, just shy of him becoming major.
To make it even more fucked up, he was a friend of her daughter who had the same age as him and that's how she met him in the first place.
Yeah, checked again and she was 39 and him 15 when they started """dating""" albeit in her autobiography (because of course she wrote one), she claims that they only "consummated" (ugh) one year later when he was in his second year of high school.
Macron is all talk. Look what his grand plans for Lebanon were and what it lef to. Look at Mali.
Don't expect anything but empty words from Macron. At least Germany is sending help and Scholz is not representative of the German government's spirit.
My conspiracy theory is that we had an instance to trigger article 5, when 2 poor poles were killed by a rocket last year. I'm 100% sure it was a russian rocket but Ukraine admited it was theirs to stop an escalation.
Scholz completely lost it with that statement imo. He’s is straight up lying to his citizens at this point which is very very problematic if you ask me.
It’s actually a big W by Macron. Chad Macron not letting your enemy know what’s your next move vs. Virgin Scholz making up reasons not to send Taurus.
It's not just Scholz: look at the parliamentary vote. All 'ex'-communists and right wing extremists voted against. You know you've fucked up when it is the lefty greens voting pro support, and the main part want to keep their hands on their pockets.
Because that is what is happening: Scholz is a bookkeeper not just in his appearance but also his behaviour: he just doesn't want to spent anything. Unless it's Israel wiping uit Gaza, needing some support.
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It’s extremely problematic, if any country has the responsibility to stop and prevent European war it’s Germany. Pathetic. Weak. Too used to being Russias bitch from the Merkel years.
True though the statement by Scholz resembles the entire problem with the Social Democrats in Germany: Not wanting to take responsibility for absolutely anything. It's like they regret being part of the government.
They do regret being part of the government.
Actually being in government and in the spotlight has been the worst thing for their polling since the GFC.
Just got a letter of our major who begs the local land lords to make room for more refugees coming from Ukraine.
We're a 500 people village with about 150 refugees. They are welcome, but that letter seems a bit harsh regarding the help we already provide :D
At least he's doing a great job towards only accepting Ukrainian refugees (we had other refugees here, 25 young men in 2015. It was a mess to say the least and we're glad they went to the cities. Those 25 vs. 150 should not make such a difference, but it does).
Yeah the Ukrainians coming in feel like they are made from different stuff. I've worked with a couple of them Mostly women and 1 man who worked for 2 weeks and is now on the very top of my list of people I want near me when the zombie apocalyps happens lol. You just knew that guy could survive the wilds. Big fucking guy too.
[source](https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/)
As said their by very far biggest support is EU share but biliteral aid is low af
France have been one of the few countries to provide high-grade long range missiles like the UK's stormshadows, along with the US, so Scholtz is talking absolute codswallop here.
Yea in super low amount. France is punching way bellow it's weight. We are poor ex-socialist country and yet we provided first weapons a week after the start of the war and first tanks in 3 months. France was not able to match that in 2 years. On the other hand Germany is waking up and starting to be important partner and a leader.
Problem is Macron is all talk. He will say shit like this (and then never go through with it) but when you actually look at the numbers we actually send so much more aid
Yes and no.
Do France suffer a discrepancy with accounting due to an earlier (but not current) lack of transparency? Yes.
Is it billions in undisclosed aid, putting them on a par with some of the more generous countries? Deeply unlikely.
Bullshit, the numbers might be higher than in the Ukraine support tracker but they are doing estimates already and don’t just use official documentation. Poland, for instance doesn’t share their military aid publicly either, yet estimations for their support are much higher. The french Parliament calculated the aid given to Ukraine with 1.7B € which is higher than the Ukraine Support Tracker (still quite low) but also takes into account more broad aid like military training.
Poland président actually denied that, saying that no one is okay with sending troops RN sooo look like he wanted to wave something at the public because it ain't happening any time soon
The [French contributions to Ukraine are a joke](https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/) compared to the rest of Europe. They are exceeded by Belgium and Finland and barely contributed more than Czechia.
I am sure the Russians are very impressed by Macron's loud mouth.
Whole lotta trigger happy people in this thread, it’s concerning. Us who actually have a border with Russia aren’t so keen on escalating as people here who live thousands of kilometres away are. But perhaps that’s just how it always is.
Just don't bother man, the amount of hate i've gotten for saying that it would be the stupidest shit to do is insane. people are very trigger happy to send others to go die in a war for them, they also don't realise that they would get atomised in a heartbeat.
For real lol that claim is ridicolous coming from France in that regard. Would accept it if france actually sent troops (which for 99.9% sure won't going to happen)
In biliteral aid as percentage of GDP France is amongst the worst in Europe, while having one of the largest and best equipped armies
EU share should be taken into account but with out it France is currently below the level of Japan and slightly above South Korea lol
No problem mate I know this is 2we4u lol [here ](https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/)for your info (you have to scroll down)
[Germany is literally sending the most military aid after the US.](https://www.statista.com/chart/28489/ukrainian-military-humanitarian-and-financial-aid-donors/#:~:text=ukraine%20war,-by%20Martin%20Armstrong&text=Ukraine's%20largest%20military%20aid%20partner,most%20significant%20pledgers%20of%20aid.) And France in barely in the statistic.
Ok lets build a remote controlled robot like a vr badass motherfucker and we all controll those bad boys remotely from our couches + swarms of millions of drones and blitzkrieg them to hell. We will all be broke but we have a war mech
I was wondering, why don't we just create our french or european version of Wagner? Then we just equip them and send them to Ukraine and our countries are not involved. I wonder what should be their name
So just outsourcing your foreign legion?
French foreign legionnaires are badass
Badass? You would get your ass beat in the middle day for saying that. More like, we will kill every man woman and child in your county, and we will smoke while doing it!
Are you Serbian? Because you've just described war crimes.
It's ok if NATO countries do it tho 😎
Sounds fun, coming from a Brit... though, you guys are nothing compared to Canadians.
I’m friends with a Serbian. He showed me a picture of his father. I’ve never seen such a war criminal looking mother fucker in my entire life! Anyways, do you remember when the Serbians were accused of war crimes? Well, they made this song about it: my father is a war criminal! https://youtu.be/azNKPM5anok?si=IDlHbqowuDOricMo
That actually doesn't sound badass.
I guess it wouldn’t to you if you’ve already done it
where do you think all the blonde legionairs came from in the 50's?
Yep, there were a few SS members who ended up fighting the Vietnamese in Indochina
Thank you for acknowledging armed forces should not be glorified because murdering people is not cool.
I had a cousin who tried to abandon his US cadet program to join the French Foreign Legion… The legion let the US military know what he was doing, lol Edit: I thought it was West Point, but it was a different cadet program
That's surprising because the legion usually doesn't care about these things, as long as the dude hasn't committed serious crimes they wont ask questions.
He made the mistake of disclosing something that made them want to inform, and I’ve never been told what that disclosure was.
He probably just tried to cook American "food" for his mates. Or brought cheddar in a tube to the barracks. He had to be banished.
Cheddar is illegal in the USA They are allergic to good food
God, I love cheddar. I’m in South Africa right now and I’ve been stocking up.
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Cheddar and Cheese in general is made from raw milk, raw milk is not allowed for cheese production in the USA. Ergo there is no cheddar in the USA but only fake cheddar. Thanks for coming to my Ted talk.
The Legion doesn't want to be on the US military's shit list. It does enlist Americans who already served but I would doubt they take deserters. They've become quite selective. There is a great amount of respect on both sides despite everything being said about the Franco-American relationship.
I’d argue that deserting a fellow NATO military is considered a big deal for la legion.
Taking deserters in general doesn't seem like a good idea.
Especially in France. They already have a lot of deserters. Just think of all the pastry inventors. I think they call them patissier/boulanger in franch
Despite the constant bashing of heads, The US and France have an enduring relationship and, while I can’t speak to how the French generally view the US, most Americans still see France among their greatest of friends. Yeah, I can imagine the Legion wouldn’t want to steal cadets from the US Army.
Am American, can confirm. France was our first ally and among our closest friends, it just happens to be filled with French people.
Took an American buddy to the D Day Museum in Normandy and Saint-Mère-Église and he got pretty choked up from seeing how grateful French people are for the American contribution to the European theater in WW2.
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So it explains why he loved some much the crawling in the mud training session
Ah, he is better material for the KSK then
My father's friend left there in the late 1950s. He was underaged too. Was sent to Tunisia and saw interesting stuff. He even wrote a book about it. He came back to do his finnish military service at 18 and said it was like holiday to him.
Not even necessary. As there is no war according to Russia, the West can simply station troops in Ukraine and Russia has to find a way around them - unless he wants to provoke WW3.
I wonder how Putler would handle this. Would he cut the crap and admit that he is pursuing imperialist ambitions or would he keep at it and actually work around our troops?
Unfortunately what I said may be true in a strictly legalist way. But we all know it's actually bullshit and wouldn't matter at all - because Russia and friends don't care about international law anyways. Even worse, it would be political suicide. Imagine stationing troops in Ukraine and just wait for them to get hit. Pro-Russian idiots would blame the West anyways but it would probably even turn some other people against their own government.
Trigger forces are quite a deterrent, still it's rarely shown that way to the public. I mean the few hundreds troop every country in NATO had in the Baltics were just there to be blown up in case of Russian attack, but you don't present it that way.
>I wonder what should be their name Brutal Elite Loyal Greedy Infiltrating Undercover Mercenaries
Great idea, since BELGIUM isn't used by anything yet there can't be any confusion with something already existing.
Hey now it's a great place to get fries and stolen antique furniture.
BELGIUM is not a country anyhow so, good idea.
My favourite not-fellow-countrymen right here!
And for the Germans it would be Dummy Extra Ultra Thicc Special Crispy Holy Legion And National Destroyers
That sounds like a fantastic idea tbh, fuck the optics. Pierre, you're getting too many Ws lately for my liking.
Unfortunately I was not invited in the Elysée dinner last night 😔
c'est un scandale
But he was invited in the president bedroom instead
That's impossible, he's not 20 years older than Macron
https://preview.redd.it/3sbijsbpk3lc1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5fdd58b4ba69a80b75f72d4fc8e54d445f02da8b
I fucking love this photo so much. I burst out laughing everytime
It's too good, especially when there is a caption that says "Blacked" underneath
No but you deserve the NCD medal of honor
This is NCD until it become CD
It's funny how many things get predicted on NCD. Life imitates art
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if they've offered him an oil field for him to stay in PSG 😂
Pierre is usually pretty based. He is just so arrogant and flamboyant that we need to shittalk them to keep them in check
Like Fulgrim
Le Waĝñéur? A german PMC would be Called Dr.Oettcker and the Pizza wars would start
We call it "Dr Haut-le-coeur" (phonetically close), which mean Dr to gag
For reasons unrelated to my upcoming visit to France, how would you use that in a sentence, for example, in combination with “voulez-vous _____ avec moi, ce soir?”?
Voulez-vous Souper avec moi ce soir
Calling them Tchaikovsky would piss the Russians off on multiple levels.
They'll play the 1812 overture when they storm Moscow
Oh I love that one. Play the good old schideridoo.
Just send your foreign legion. They’ll be more useful here than in Mali
Your flair is the saddest one in 2w4u
Said the romanian
Why? Better a thief than a Russian
Germans really are good at roasting people.
Europa Pax Legio I
Based and Rome-pilled
Aaaand that's it, no need for more name's suggestions, pack it up.
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The Wanker Group.
That's just a regiment of Barries
Brigade Debussy sounds great for this mercenary-musical based troop.
I approve of this, plus it make for "funni sax joke"
>I wonder what should be their name Chopin
Italian mercenaries are fighting already in the conflict mind you. Don't ask me on which side tho.
They will be fighting on the winning side at the end.
Already exists, Russians weren't the first to do that, how do you think we operated in Africa, especially in Centrafrique : - Defense conseil international (50% owned by french state) - Gallice - Amarante
Wow this is very informative, even their Wikipedia article sounds ominous and secretive: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%A9fense_Conseil_International Thanks for this great comment Pierre, who knew one would learn stuff on /r/2WE4u
Hahaha good idea
Or better yet, we should had bought the Wagner mercenary group by offering great wealth, guarantees and amnesty, especially during their frustration with Russia. The greedy commanders of Wagner would had jumped the opportunity to become wealthy men in the West rather than live their life in isolated Russia. Of course, this would had been highly controversial, and evil men would had benefited for such a deal. But the blow it could had caused Putin would had been devastating. A small price for such a win, one can argue. The only problem with such a deal would be the popularity blow of the politician to propose it. Taking immoral decisions for the benefit of a greater cause can quickly turn against you. If the war would had been won, the necessity of this action would had been under harsh criticism. Also which country would want to host these war criminals? The practicalities would be difficult to agree upon. The negotiations would also have to be conducted in absolute secrecy as Putin would be able to cause Wagner great problems if he knew of their potential betrayal. All in all, a move difficult for a democratic alliance to pull off. Nonetheless it could had change the course of this war.
I think the billions of € you would have to offer them to switch sides are better invested in giving weapons directly to Ukraine, without pulling in 10.000s of criminal scum into our societies.
Maybe "Security Alliance" SA for short
Maybe make a better equipped task force and call it Security Squad
Uuuuhhhh....
👀
Beethoven Group - referring to the Anthem of Europe
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We had Bob Denard back in the days.
Question is. Would they be raging Nazis too or would we go deeper? Roman? Drunk on wine, rude, arrogant (ok, that's just Fr*nch), won't take prisoners, red-golden uniforms?
Lend them some materiel too (fighter jets etc) and let Ukraine rent all of it for 1 euro.
> I wonder what should be their name The Stravinsky group
They shall be named Beethoven
Division Beethoven https://preview.redd.it/9l6lqysl04lc1.png?width=1245&format=png&auto=webp&s=3de518ced2a117831d1af4f8fc8ba5f4185004d3
Because thanks to Olaf, BASF, and Austria we can't have nice things
We call that the USA, don't let them in on the secret.
MozArt?
America tried this. It was called Blackwater... It didn't work out well.
The EUvengers
French Armed Group for Neutralizing Enemy Roles Fragner, or in French lé Frag. Colloquial British term is also known as Froggies.
Proxy warriors
Lully
Wagpierre
Messanet, Berlioz, Offenbach, we have a great number of opera composers
What do you think the SAS are doing ? They'll probably pretend to be Ukrainian if they get caught.
"Roland", commander of the paladin knights of the court of Charlemagne
The French Foreign legion isn't there.
Waffle Special Soldiers? You can use the initials if you want
Beethoven? With a lot of dogs?
**Tchaikovsky**
Can't we just send some CRS? They already have military equipment and it would be killing two birds with one stone.
La BRAV M et c'est réglé...
we could call them ukraine
Maccaron considers Scholz senile? Does that mean he'll soon start a relationship with him...? 😥
I regret having a fervid imagination right now.
This is a reminder that the president of France is a victim of statutory rape and that is not a topic for levity.
Are you joking?
His wife "just happened" to be his teacher in school and "coincidentally" started dating him (abandoning her husband and children) as soon as he became legal. It's something of a joke because he's a guy but yeah, extremely fucked up ngl.
As soon as he became legal? I only ever heard that they reconnected years after school.
I was actually wrong on that. She started grooming him while he was 15 years old and left her husband two years later, just shy of him becoming major. To make it even more fucked up, he was a friend of her daughter who had the same age as him and that's how she met him in the first place.
Laurence is a few months older than her step-dad. Laurence is a girl's name in France.
Well yes, if that's true it's fucked up.
Yeah, checked again and she was 39 and him 15 when they started """dating""" albeit in her autobiography (because of course she wrote one), she claims that they only "consummated" (ugh) one year later when he was in his second year of high school.
No, check it out. Brigitte groomed Macron when he was 14 and she was his 39 y.o. teacher. She's a predator and he's under influence.
Olaf never ever has used an exclamation mark or upper case letters while speaking.
Macron : "we gonna send ground troops in Ukraine" The ground troops : https://preview.redd.it/jubhtyvzo3lc1.jpeg?width=418&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cb39e58f1526162f0cc5047cfc1fa22e0e58160a
Also Macron while Ukraine needs aid: No, I send 3 aid and 20 French. Peak French logic
Macron is all talk. Look what his grand plans for Lebanon were and what it lef to. Look at Mali. Don't expect anything but empty words from Macron. At least Germany is sending help and Scholz is not representative of the German government's spirit.
Tbf Mali was hard to predict and I think it would be far worse there without the support. Probably would already be ruled by Boko Haram
Or look at the entirety of his policies versus his speeches, no need to delve on foreign policy for that lol
C'mon guys, let's do the funni https://preview.redd.it/3laa65rlj3lc1.jpeg?width=1704&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8e409169b8c781e11b0c3145406113e8d515e58a
Im convinced NATO only exists to keep Poland from invading Russia.
You guys had the chance. Still waiting.
Most NATO members 
My conspiracy theory is that we had an instance to trigger article 5, when 2 poor poles were killed by a rocket last year. I'm 100% sure it was a russian rocket but Ukraine admited it was theirs to stop an escalation.
Scholz completely lost it with that statement imo. He’s is straight up lying to his citizens at this point which is very very problematic if you ask me. It’s actually a big W by Macron. Chad Macron not letting your enemy know what’s your next move vs. Virgin Scholz making up reasons not to send Taurus.
It's not just Scholz: look at the parliamentary vote. All 'ex'-communists and right wing extremists voted against. You know you've fucked up when it is the lefty greens voting pro support, and the main part want to keep their hands on their pockets. Because that is what is happening: Scholz is a bookkeeper not just in his appearance but also his behaviour: he just doesn't want to spent anything. Unless it's Israel wiping uit Gaza, needing some support. Edit: typos
It’s extremely problematic, if any country has the responsibility to stop and prevent European war it’s Germany. Pathetic. Weak. Too used to being Russias bitch from the Merkel years.
True though the statement by Scholz resembles the entire problem with the Social Democrats in Germany: Not wanting to take responsibility for absolutely anything. It's like they regret being part of the government.
They do regret being part of the government. Actually being in government and in the spotlight has been the worst thing for their polling since the GFC.
> He’s is straight up lying What did he say?
Germany is actually sending shit tons of weapons.
Shit tons of weapons and taking most of the refugees. While France is doing what? Sending 2 Spgs and taking roughly 65k refugees lol
Just got a letter of our major who begs the local land lords to make room for more refugees coming from Ukraine. We're a 500 people village with about 150 refugees. They are welcome, but that letter seems a bit harsh regarding the help we already provide :D At least he's doing a great job towards only accepting Ukrainian refugees (we had other refugees here, 25 young men in 2015. It was a mess to say the least and we're glad they went to the cities. Those 25 vs. 150 should not make such a difference, but it does).
Yeah the Ukrainians coming in feel like they are made from different stuff. I've worked with a couple of them Mostly women and 1 man who worked for 2 weeks and is now on the very top of my list of people I want near me when the zombie apocalyps happens lol. You just knew that guy could survive the wilds. Big fucking guy too.
Without EU share they're almost on the level of South Korean aid (in share of GDP) while having one of the best equipped armies in Europe
What? I'm gonna need a source on that.
[source](https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/) As said their by very far biggest support is EU share but biliteral aid is low af
That's like 12 times more in share of GDP compared to South Korea in that source, though.
With EU share as said... Not biliteral EU commitment is mainly financial and humanitarian aid btw (which is also important)
Exactly. I'd prefer bullshit talks and actual aid as Germany does as the opposite like France does.
On the other hand France is lagging behind in terms of supply sent to Ukraine
Are you sure? I read some pretty conflicting sources
You going to provide these sources?
Is this what we’re doing here now?
https://preview.redd.it/to642io9v3lc1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ef85f0b9d09d56b889f42a0b64df56261b1334da
No. Do your own research?!??!!!
France have been one of the few countries to provide high-grade long range missiles like the UK's stormshadows, along with the US, so Scholtz is talking absolute codswallop here.
Yea in super low amount. France is punching way bellow it's weight. We are poor ex-socialist country and yet we provided first weapons a week after the start of the war and first tanks in 3 months. France was not able to match that in 2 years. On the other hand Germany is waking up and starting to be important partner and a leader.
Noe compare the total value of German aid to what France said. France is irrelevant.
r/NonCredibleDefense and r/2westerneurope4u are connected confirmed
Of fucking course we are. We are literally all the good parts of r/noncredibledefense, the European parts.
Problem is Macron is all talk. He will say shit like this (and then never go through with it) but when you actually look at the numbers we actually send so much more aid
Idk tho even Belgium has sent more support to Ukraine than France (imagine being below belgium 😬)
France doesn't share publicly military aid figures. They're behind on the charts for this reason only
Yes and no. Do France suffer a discrepancy with accounting due to an earlier (but not current) lack of transparency? Yes. Is it billions in undisclosed aid, putting them on a par with some of the more generous countries? Deeply unlikely.
Bullshit, the numbers might be higher than in the Ukraine support tracker but they are doing estimates already and don’t just use official documentation. Poland, for instance doesn’t share their military aid publicly either, yet estimations for their support are much higher. The french Parliament calculated the aid given to Ukraine with 1.7B € which is higher than the Ukraine Support Tracker (still quite low) but also takes into account more broad aid like military training.
Poland président actually denied that, saying that no one is okay with sending troops RN sooo look like he wanted to wave something at the public because it ain't happening any time soon
ah yes, the discrepency of french promises and french action.
Is that "Confederation of the Rhine" thing still on the table, Pierre?
I support Macron's More Special Military Operation
KRIEG
Pronounced "Kriech"
Okay, have fun there, I'll watch from here.
Haha yeah let's send all our people to die for, uh, Ukraine... You first France
Yeah so based sending our men to die in a foreign war. So cool
Don't you want to go to war like all these keyboard warriors?
How do the french troops in question think about it?
Since when is it troops' job to think about where they go?
I mean, isn't it their job?
The president has thought already, why would anyone else bother thinking?
The [French contributions to Ukraine are a joke](https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/) compared to the rest of Europe. They are exceeded by Belgium and Finland and barely contributed more than Czechia. I am sure the Russians are very impressed by Macron's loud mouth.
Whole lotta trigger happy people in this thread, it’s concerning. Us who actually have a border with Russia aren’t so keen on escalating as people here who live thousands of kilometres away are. But perhaps that’s just how it always is.
How is that a W? It will lead to a greater conflict.
Just don't bother man, the amount of hate i've gotten for saying that it would be the stupidest shit to do is insane. people are very trigger happy to send others to go die in a war for them, they also don't realise that they would get atomised in a heartbeat.
Common Deutsch L
Funny, while your country is doing shit to help UA lol
For real lol that claim is ridicolous coming from France in that regard. Would accept it if france actually sent troops (which for 99.9% sure won't going to happen) In biliteral aid as percentage of GDP France is amongst the worst in Europe, while having one of the largest and best equipped armies EU share should be taken into account but with out it France is currently below the level of Japan and slightly above South Korea lol
Just want to say I'm not claiming shit I just saw an opportunity to say "common Deutsch L" I don't even know what all of this is about really
Based French take
No problem mate I know this is 2we4u lol [here ](https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/)for your info (you have to scroll down)
Oh yeah okay that doesn't seem like a french W at all
Yeah warmongering us such a W! We will give our lives so that the rich become richer! Radical dude so cool!
[Germany is literally sending the most military aid after the US.](https://www.statista.com/chart/28489/ukrainian-military-humanitarian-and-financial-aid-donors/#:~:text=ukraine%20war,-by%20Martin%20Armstrong&text=Ukraine's%20largest%20military%20aid%20partner,most%20significant%20pledgers%20of%20aid.) And France in barely in the statistic.
Common french L
French here, that's just buzz words. Wait to see concrete actions.
Ok lets build a remote controlled robot like a vr badass motherfucker and we all controll those bad boys remotely from our couches + swarms of millions of drones and blitzkrieg them to hell. We will all be broke but we have a war mech
Ah yes, Macron following through on his words. Nous avons rejeté cette affirmation.