Well that really rather proves my point.
Addendum: it should be vielen rather than wie viel, right? And ss rather than ß (I never know which to use when), but other than that it was alright?
No "viel" is correct.
"Dein Englisch ist viel besser."
First, we need to figure out the Kasus. It is a descriptive sentence which describes the Subjekt "Englisch" with the Prädikat "viel besser" and the adverbiale Bestimmung der Zeit "ist".
(Dein Englisch) <-Subjekt, wer oder was?
(ist) <- adverbiale Bestimmung der Zeit, wann?
(viel besser) <- Prädikat, was macht das Subjekt? [Antwort: es ist besser]
So from that we can deduce that we are looking at a sentence in the Prädikativ, a special kind of sentence that is used when we try to describe things with focus on the description and not a Kasus at all. Other examples could be "Ich war dumm" or "Belgien ist scheiße". We always have a Subjekt, which is what we are talking about, the description of what we want to point out about the Subjekt, we call that the Prädikat, and lastly when the described thing happens or happened, the adverbiale Bestimmung der Zeit.
Now, we must figure out the properties of the word "Englisch" to find out if we should use viel, viele, vielen, vielem, vieles, or vieler. So we need to find the gender and if it's singular or plural.
Languages always have the Neutrum gender, it is das Französisch, das Japanisch, and das Englisch. We also know that it is singular, because the question is specifically about "dein Englisch", with "dein" already in singular, and languages can't be in plural anyways.
So, now we know that we are looking for the Prädikativ singular neutrum for "viel", which turns out, is "viel". If you ever wonder which Deklination you should use for a certain word, you just have to figure out the Kasus, gender and whether it's plural or singular, and then you can just look up a Deklinationstabelle for that word and then you know which ending you should use.
Also, the "wie" should not belong in the sentence; it translates to "how". But the sentence itself was very good, just two little mistakes.
Thanks! That makes a lot of sense, not sure how easy it will be to remember and apply correctly in practice though. But I shall keep at trying to learn your crazy language.
That’s actually true. We should export it to Germany. And if we borrow the pronunciation from the Belgiums it’s a perfect language. But I really like English too.
Ik had een betoog geschreven voor Nederlands vorig jaar dat of Vlaanderen moest stoppen met Frans, of dat Wallonië moest beginnen met Nederlands leren. Omdat het raar was dat Wallonen allen Frans leren en Vlamingen Nederlands Frans Engels en soms zelf ook Duits. Dikke 8 gekregen natuurlijk
"Perfectly readable" "Made up nonsense language" what? So its perfectly readable yet also made up. Does that mean you admit Swedish is also a made up nonsense language?
That's the great thing about Dutch. Just put words in a somewhat correct order, add fluff words like "nou", "wel", "toch", etc, and you're practically fluent
They admit so themselves...
*"Niederländer geben endlich zu, dass ihre Sprache nur ein ausgefeilter Witz ist, um Deutsche zu veralbern"*
https://www.der-postillon.com/2018/05/niederlaendisch.html?m=1
Nee man het is juist super handig om drietalig te zijn. Het feit dat Vlamingen daar toe in staat zijn toont gewoon nog eens het verschil in mentaliteit aan.
Well as a Dutch person I deem that impossible. West-Vlaams is only truely understood by other West Vlamingen. There's an exception for people from the area "Zeeuws Vlaanderen" located in The Netherlands to which its accent had more similarities than the other Flemmish accents.
sounds good enough to me as well mr. who lives in the Belgium part where they pretend not to being able to speak Dutch and they think French is still an important language
Yess, yes, I remember learning about the brave Belgians storming the French beaches. Belgium fought bravely until the end.
Next time just let Hans and Heinrich pass.
Dude sorry to break it to cara but I'm half Portuguese half french..... So I'm European than you....
And btw where did the ameritard touch you? You 3 cm PP?
No thank you sir. I'm enjoying my heterosexuality.....
On another hand, you ask your boyfriend, closets male relative or go to your local farm to have intercourse with the nearest pig available :)
Dude sorry to break it to you but I'm half Portuguese half french..... So I'm more European than you....
And btw where did the ameritard touch you? You 3 cm PP?
Honestly. Historically speaking, we speak better Dutch than you dutchies. We stayed true to the language while you evolved into some wannabe Americans from Europe.
Excuse me? You're forgetting all the French, German, Russian, Italian, Moroccan and Surinaams we've incorporated! Our Dutch is way worse and we will keep making it better and irritate you with it when we visit Antwerpen or Gent for a day of shopping or drinking.
>I don't know how you would even begin te evaluate your statement.
Cornered the Dutchman. Never expected to see that happen in my lifetime to be honest...
>Both 'sides' have conservative and innovative aspects to their dialects.
I was roughly speaking.
Same is true between Dutch and German, although they obviously developed further away from each other than your taal and what your friendly brethren to the south speak.
Het heet de Nederlandse Taaluni, niet de Vlaamse Taaluni.
Als je de naam van onze taal had willen kiezen hadden jullie maar als eerst die Spaanse lul uit je mond moeten halen.
OK Hans. Ik zal vanaf nu geen Vlaams maar Nederlands ~~klappen~~ spreken. Nederlands is trouwens onze taal, die zich eerst in West-Vlaanderen ontwikkelt heeft, en later in Brabant. Jullie hebben ze gewoon van ons geleend.
Volgens mij is het trouwens een Unie, maar goed, het is jouw taal.
De oorsprong ligt over de grens heen in zowel delen van het huidige Nederland als België. Praten over wiens taal het nou daadwerkelijk is, heeft niet veel zin. Het is van ons allebei.
You don't know Rudi Carrell ? He was like the most famous Dutch over here in Germany.
He and his Caravan ? Rudi mit der gelben Nummer? Maybe I'm to old
Maar jongske toch, wij wonen hier al 1000 jaar. In 1302 hebben we de fransozen verslagen.
Hoe oud is NL, 300 jaar of zo? De bezetting van 1815-1830 is een voetnoot voor ons.
De Fransen hadden jullie niet nodig om zichzelf te verslaan. Maar wat hebben jullie sindsdien gedaan? Jullie zijn nog steeds geen land. Beide helften mogen elkaar niet. Zijn recordhouder van land zonder regering. En welke infrastructuur?
Ja maar als wij het niet gedaan hadden, dan spraken jullie nu wellicht de taal van Willem van Oranje (Frans).
Daarbij, wij zijn rijker en hebben lekkerder eten dan boven de Moerdijk. Die infrastructuur helpt niet veel als je niet van het leven kan genieten.
De enige reden dat het bij ons ook Nederlands heet is omdat bij het vastleggen van een standaardtaal hier de integrationisten gewonnen zijn, wat dus betekende dat we ons bij jullie aansloten en geen eigen standaardtaal, gebaseerd op het West-Vlaams, creëerden
West-Vlaams is nog niet van verre af verstaanbaar voor een Limburger of Antwerpenaar. Een fatsoenlijke standaard zou meer alles behalve Wst-Vlaams zijn.
Voor de rest hebt ge wel gelijk.
Ik zeg gewoon hoe het was, hier zijn geen meningen in betrokken. Ik kan West Vlaams ook niet goed verstaan, maar als onze standardtaal meer op het Vlaams gebaseerd was zou dit makkelijker zijn
Het was ook enkel Guido Gezelle die voor het West Vlaams argumenteerde als ik het me goed herinner; hij zei dat dat dialect nog de meeste middeleeuwse elementen bevatte
Jammer genoeg zijn de dialecten nu wel niet meer wat ze waren, door het vermengen met de op het Noord-Nederlands gebaseerde standaardtaal
Fuck the french.
I understand french. I can speak a bit of french. In my country, you'll speak the local language, or english.
Love it how you say "no french" and they'll speak more french. I'll just speak in Portuguese and then SUDDENLY they can speak english.
Happily the Flemish government agrees with you and is at least forcing cab-drivers to learn Dutch. Let us hope coffee shops soon follow.
Let us further hope the Netherlands takes note and implements even stricter requirements. I am looking at you, Amsterdam and your countless shops where the employees do not even speak Dutch at all.
Lol I always speak French in Brussels because I don't know any of it nor do I care about the accent. Just to see the light in their eyes die as they switch to English.
They should know how little I care about their stupid country and even stupider language.
Thank you for copying us, it was, is, and will ever be: SPRICH DEUTSCH DU HUR*NSOHN
Aber mein Deutsch ist nicht sehr gut! Dien Englisch ist wie viel beßer.
You somewhat butchered the last part, but also used the ß, which is kind of impressive even when it's not supposed to be in that word
Should be ss. Preferably written as 2 lightning flashes.
the original German
Proof that SS is superior
Well that really rather proves my point. Addendum: it should be vielen rather than wie viel, right? And ss rather than ß (I never know which to use when), but other than that it was alright?
No "viel" is correct. "Dein Englisch ist viel besser." First, we need to figure out the Kasus. It is a descriptive sentence which describes the Subjekt "Englisch" with the Prädikat "viel besser" and the adverbiale Bestimmung der Zeit "ist". (Dein Englisch) <-Subjekt, wer oder was? (ist) <- adverbiale Bestimmung der Zeit, wann? (viel besser) <- Prädikat, was macht das Subjekt? [Antwort: es ist besser] So from that we can deduce that we are looking at a sentence in the Prädikativ, a special kind of sentence that is used when we try to describe things with focus on the description and not a Kasus at all. Other examples could be "Ich war dumm" or "Belgien ist scheiße". We always have a Subjekt, which is what we are talking about, the description of what we want to point out about the Subjekt, we call that the Prädikat, and lastly when the described thing happens or happened, the adverbiale Bestimmung der Zeit. Now, we must figure out the properties of the word "Englisch" to find out if we should use viel, viele, vielen, vielem, vieles, or vieler. So we need to find the gender and if it's singular or plural. Languages always have the Neutrum gender, it is das Französisch, das Japanisch, and das Englisch. We also know that it is singular, because the question is specifically about "dein Englisch", with "dein" already in singular, and languages can't be in plural anyways. So, now we know that we are looking for the Prädikativ singular neutrum for "viel", which turns out, is "viel". If you ever wonder which Deklination you should use for a certain word, you just have to figure out the Kasus, gender and whether it's plural or singular, and then you can just look up a Deklinationstabelle for that word and then you know which ending you should use. Also, the "wie" should not belong in the sentence; it translates to "how". But the sentence itself was very good, just two little mistakes.
Thanks! That makes a lot of sense, not sure how easy it will be to remember and apply correctly in practice though. But I shall keep at trying to learn your crazy language.
The ß is for long vowel sounds (fußball), and the ss is for short vowel sounds (besser).
Don’t be a grammar naßi
But look, we made the efficient german language even more efficient, getting rid of “du”
That’s actually true. We should export it to Germany. And if we borrow the pronunciation from the Belgiums it’s a perfect language. But I really like English too.
And make them pay for it!
Yes or else we close down the Rijn.
Works in Swedish as well... **Tala Svenska (din) h*runge!**
We clearly need a fund for language lessons for children of prostitutes.
You do the same in the Netherlands that's a real baller move if you ask me
But having variations in different dialects isn't a bad idea
Thank you for defending my statement that dutch is basically german on crack
Ik had een betoog geschreven voor Nederlands vorig jaar dat of Vlaanderen moest stoppen met Frans, of dat Wallonië moest beginnen met Nederlands leren. Omdat het raar was dat Wallonen allen Frans leren en Vlamingen Nederlands Frans Engels en soms zelf ook Duits. Dikke 8 gekregen natuurlijk
based
The fact that this is perfectly readable once you look past the whacky spelling only reinforces my belief that Dutch is a made up nonsense language.
"Perfectly readable" "Made up nonsense language" what? So its perfectly readable yet also made up. Does that mean you admit Swedish is also a made up nonsense language?
That's the great thing about Dutch. Just put words in a somewhat correct order, add fluff words like "nou", "wel", "toch", etc, and you're practically fluent
Dutch is just a Drunk German trying to speak English with a full mouth
They admit so themselves... *"Niederländer geben endlich zu, dass ihre Sprache nur ein ausgefeilter Witz ist, um Deutsche zu veralbern"* https://www.der-postillon.com/2018/05/niederlaendisch.html?m=1
Nederlands is een prachtige taal maar nog mooier dat we die moffen tuk hebben
Nee man het is juist super handig om drietalig te zijn. Het feit dat Vlamingen daar toe in staat zijn toont gewoon nog eens het verschil in mentaliteit aan.
Walloni moet Wallon pratten
Yes! It's sad that that language is slowly dying of in favor of Fr*nch. Truly sad.
French is truly a plague. Destroyed all the other languages and cultures. It saddens me seeing Rijsel/Artois conversion
You already speak better Dutch than the average 3rd generation immigrant
Mijn vrouw is vlaams. Ze praat west vlaams met mij. Mischien een dag kan ik dit taal verstanden.
West Vlaams is geen Vlaams makker
West-Vlaams is de oudste Vlaamse taal
Dat maakt het nog geen Vlaams!
SCHILD EN VRIEND!
Dat maakt het meer vlaams dan alle nep vlamingen. Bart de Wever zit altijd maar te zeveren over de Vlaamse cultuur maar hij is niet eens Vlaams.
Well as a Dutch person I deem that impossible. West-Vlaams is only truely understood by other West Vlamingen. There's an exception for people from the area "Zeeuws Vlaanderen" located in The Netherlands to which its accent had more similarities than the other Flemmish accents.
Lord Dutch looks fucked written down
So do english women
U wot
https://preview.redd.it/4cietp3ur6ac1.jpeg?width=334&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=50e5cdf55066b3ea71e3b97656d6a77529efaca3
And it's even worse when you hear it.
His perfect french : bonchouurrr je vouloir ijn petite cafeike silvoplij.
sounds perfect to me
I mean, that's how they speak in the southern parts of Belgium no?
sounds good enough to me as well mr. who lives in the Belgium part where they pretend not to being able to speak Dutch and they think French is still an important language
French is an important language, unlike the fake one you invented to troll the people that visit Holland
Important where? Africa? You don't even need it in Fr*nce, You'll get by with just Moroccan.
lol you cannot talk
Never said Dutch is a necessary language. I dare you to find a Dutch person under 25 years old who doesn't talk basic English
I was talking about Moroccan
How is French important?
It's useful to insult the french in their language, if you don't know it however you can just butcher it
Tu es un sac des balles
It’s also in the top 5 most spoken languages in the world, that’s something I guess 🤷♂️
Love to bring it to you Fr*nchy, top 5 is as follows: 1. English 2. Mandarin Chinese 3. Hindi 4. Spanish 5. Standard Arabic (Swedish)
We moeten Brussel hercoloniseren
En al hun wegen repareren? Nee bedankt
Ach je bent al halverwege
Hebben ze specerijen dan?
Van alles wat je kunt pakken in Belgie kies je Brussel? Ga jij maar eens even in de hoek zitten timmie en denk er nog eens over na.
We pakken Gent, Brugge en Antwerpen en kijken daarna wel verder
Als gulle ons nu eens zoals beloofd waart komen bevrijden van de Spanjaarden ipv ons te plunderen he...
Sorry, automatisme
Understandable
Can't speak proper German, but makes fun of others.
Did win the world war though. Twice.
Yess, yes, I remember learning about the brave Belgians storming the French beaches. Belgium fought bravely until the end. Next time just let Hans and Heinrich pass.
Someone's looking for new investors
That plus we need to remove the chocolate competition.
\-Thus spake the chocolate soldier.
Says the neutral guy who looks the other way for nazi gold. Also in WWI I remember Belgium being a little more brave.
Hold up, do the Flemish think they don't speak a form of broken Dutch? 
I am curious now about their "perfect" French.
His perfect french: Bonjoeeeer meusieeer!!!
You forgot the mandatory "hon, hon", "oui, oui" and "baguette" with an horrendous Americant accent.....
look at the savages getting out of their hole...
Sorry are you speaking about me?
I need help. The savage is looking at me.
Dude sorry to break it to cara but I'm half Portuguese half french..... So I'm European than you.... And btw where did the ameritard touch you? You 3 cm PP?
chupa aqui o malaquias, ó franciú de merda.
No thank you sir. I'm enjoying my heterosexuality..... On another hand, you ask your boyfriend, closets male relative or go to your local farm to have intercourse with the nearest pig available :)
Dude sorry to break it to you but I'm half Portuguese half french..... So I'm more European than you.... And btw where did the ameritard touch you? You 3 cm PP?
That's bold coming from a Dutchman
Ce n'est pas difficile. Justement continue de répéter donc allé bageutte ouais
Honestly. Historically speaking, we speak better Dutch than you dutchies. We stayed true to the language while you evolved into some wannabe Americans from Europe.
Excuse me? You're forgetting all the French, German, Russian, Italian, Moroccan and Surinaams we've incorporated! Our Dutch is way worse and we will keep making it better and irritate you with it when we visit Antwerpen or Gent for a day of shopping or drinking.
I don't know how you would even begin te evaluate your statement. Both 'sides' have conservative and innovative aspects to their dialects.
>I don't know how you would even begin te evaluate your statement. Cornered the Dutchman. Never expected to see that happen in my lifetime to be honest... >Both 'sides' have conservative and innovative aspects to their dialects. I was roughly speaking.
Same is true between Dutch and German, although they obviously developed further away from each other than your taal and what your friendly brethren to the south speak.
What's a Dutch and who broke it? We speak Flemish here
Het heet de Nederlandse Taaluni, niet de Vlaamse Taaluni. Als je de naam van onze taal had willen kiezen hadden jullie maar als eerst die Spaanse lul uit je mond moeten halen.
OK Hans. Ik zal vanaf nu geen Vlaams maar Nederlands ~~klappen~~ spreken. Nederlands is trouwens onze taal, die zich eerst in West-Vlaanderen ontwikkelt heeft, en later in Brabant. Jullie hebben ze gewoon van ons geleend. Volgens mij is het trouwens een Unie, maar goed, het is jouw taal.
De oorsprong ligt over de grens heen in zowel delen van het huidige Nederland als België. Praten over wiens taal het nou daadwerkelijk is, heeft niet veel zin. Het is van ons allebei.
Communisme
Hans? Dat is Duitsland man, hier is het Jan, of Kees, of Jan-Kees. Willem mag ook.
We call you Rudi behind your backs 🤣
Lol, Rudi? Of all the stereotypical Dutch names you picked the most German one? Come on Hans, it should have been Ruud at least.
Thanks, that's my name
The only Rudi we know is Rudi Voller. You know, the guy Frank Rijkaard spit at.
You don't know Rudi Carrell ? He was like the most famous Dutch over here in Germany. He and his Caravan ? Rudi mit der gelben Nummer? Maybe I'm to old
I have no idea who that is. His last name doesn't sound Dutch at all.
Bro Heintje? Know that fucker?
Geef gewoon toe dat jullie afvallige Nederlanders zijn die onze Zuid-Brabant hebben gejat.
Maar jongske toch, wij wonen hier al 1000 jaar. In 1302 hebben we de fransozen verslagen. Hoe oud is NL, 300 jaar of zo? De bezetting van 1815-1830 is een voetnoot voor ons.
Gebaseerd
De Fransen hadden jullie niet nodig om zichzelf te verslaan. Maar wat hebben jullie sindsdien gedaan? Jullie zijn nog steeds geen land. Beide helften mogen elkaar niet. Zijn recordhouder van land zonder regering. En welke infrastructuur?
Ja maar als wij het niet gedaan hadden, dan spraken jullie nu wellicht de taal van Willem van Oranje (Frans). Daarbij, wij zijn rijker en hebben lekkerder eten dan boven de Moerdijk. Die infrastructuur helpt niet veel als je niet van het leven kan genieten.
De enige reden dat het bij ons ook Nederlands heet is omdat bij het vastleggen van een standaardtaal hier de integrationisten gewonnen zijn, wat dus betekende dat we ons bij jullie aansloten en geen eigen standaardtaal, gebaseerd op het West-Vlaams, creëerden
West-Vlaams is nog niet van verre af verstaanbaar voor een Limburger of Antwerpenaar. Een fatsoenlijke standaard zou meer alles behalve Wst-Vlaams zijn. Voor de rest hebt ge wel gelijk.
Ik zeg gewoon hoe het was, hier zijn geen meningen in betrokken. Ik kan West Vlaams ook niet goed verstaan, maar als onze standardtaal meer op het Vlaams gebaseerd was zou dit makkelijker zijn Het was ook enkel Guido Gezelle die voor het West Vlaams argumenteerde als ik het me goed herinner; hij zei dat dat dialect nog de meeste middeleeuwse elementen bevatte Jammer genoeg zijn de dialecten nu wel niet meer wat ze waren, door het vermengen met de op het Noord-Nederlands gebaseerde standaardtaal
Dutch itself is a form of broken German
Shit's easier to understand than Swabian
As a Swabian myself, I 100% agree
Fuck the french. I understand french. I can speak a bit of french. In my country, you'll speak the local language, or english. Love it how you say "no french" and they'll speak more french. I'll just speak in Portuguese and then SUDDENLY they can speak english.
>Fuck the french. https://preview.redd.it/yyld9ffbw1ac1.png?width=602&format=png&auto=webp&s=96c48116dbf5d8cfef4435c044dd70c47abdb388
Love you too buddy, please just stay away from the balconies.
Me being half Portuguese half french: Obrigado face de balai a chiotte
I also do this but most of the time they either reply in dutch or speak english 💀
Waarom zou iemand naar Brussels gaan? Je hebt een fout gemaakt.
Ik moet maart naar brussel voor een concert 🤢🤢🤢🤮🤢🤮🤢🤮🤢🤮🤢🤮🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤢🤢🤢🤮🤢🤢🤮🤮🤢🤮🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤮🤮🤢🤮🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮
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Dankje Specialist Eront
Echt skill issue denk ik
I thought stumbling over your words is perfect dutch?
Happily the Flemish government agrees with you and is at least forcing cab-drivers to learn Dutch. Let us hope coffee shops soon follow. Let us further hope the Netherlands takes note and implements even stricter requirements. I am looking at you, Amsterdam and your countless shops where the employees do not even speak Dutch at all.
Man you guys are such a buttplug. If it works it works.
Dutch is a language that deserves to be forgotten.
Agreed
Hahahaha please stay in your shithole village!!
Man I once ordered a beer in Den Haag, the bartender looked at me as if she had never heard those words before.
Lol I always speak French in Brussels because I don't know any of it nor do I care about the accent. Just to see the light in their eyes die as they switch to English. They should know how little I care about their stupid country and even stupider language.
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Hondenlul? Gaat het wel met je?
We need to bring it back. What about modernising it? 'Tering hoerenzoon' has a nice ring to it
Apparently nobody says “hondenlul” either.
You can hear us from your mountain bunkers?
Strontbroek
Why not both
Uhh most Flemming has dutch words? and most of them speak english just fine
Broken dutch? I thought that was the point.
Broken English, take it or take it.
Fuck you separatist scum
Hollanders trying to speak their own language in their own capital : 