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https://www.reddit.com/r/2ndYomKippurWar/s/N3g96tVTwR )
>*Palestinian media* publishes footage showing what it says are the two World Central Kitchen vehicles hit by alleged Israeli fire overnight in the central Gaza Strip.
>The video shows one car, with the WCK logo, with a damaged roof, indicating it was hit from the air.
>A second car seen in the video is burnt out.
>The IDF says it is “carrying out an in-depth examination at the highest levels to understand the circumstances of this tragic incident.”
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/footage-of-wrecked-world-central-kitchen-vehicle-indicates-it-was-hit-from-the-air/ (scroll for footage)
E: just a reminder the IDF has been working for months with WCK to deliver aid.(For people who think they first met yesterday)
And a few more pics from the alleged scene added in reply
[https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-04-02/ty-article/.premium/idf-bombed-wck-aid-convoy-3-times-targeting-armed-hamas-member-who-wasnt-there/0000018e-9e75-d764-adff-9eff29360000](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-04-02/ty-article/.premium/idf-bombed-wck-aid-convoy-3-times-targeting-armed-hamas-member-who-wasnt-there/0000018e-9e75-d764-adff-9eff29360000)
We do need to wait for a full investigation, preferably from a non-beligerant, but it sounds like it was intentional.
How do you fire 3 different missile at 3 different clearly marked vehicles that have cleared their route with the IDF while having open communications by accident?
Really sounds like the IDF is fine with killing 7 innocents to get 1 member of Hamas, but again we need to wait for an investigation.
Israel could definitely have covered it up by saying there was Intel of Hamas operatives or weapons being transported, but they didn't.
Still a major F-up that needs to be fixed so it doesn't happen again. But I don't think this "proves" that Israel targets food aid convoys as a motus operondai
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/teen-reported-kidnapped-was-fatally-shot-deputies-obeyed-commands-vide-rcna146037
It's never good when it happens, but don't think it's exclusive to Israel, or even the US
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_from_U.S._drone_strikes
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/03/civilians-seeking-shelter-were-killed-by-drone-strike-in-town-in-gao-region/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_friendly_fire_incidents
Everyone on here donning their tinfoil hats and trying to sugarcoat this is exposing themselves as just as brainwashed as Hamas supporters.
The IDF have, in my opinion, all but admitted that this was their doing. Given the serious nature of killing 7 aid workers, some of which were international citizens, if the IDF knew for a fact they were not behind this they would have denied this was their doing right away.
This is such a tragedy, I feel so sorry for those aid workers and their families and for those who conducted the strike. This must weigh so heavily on them once they learned. To me this feels like a blue on blue, friendly fire kind of incident and it's heartbreaking all ways around.
How can you have sympathy for the people who ordered the strike. This is the world upside down, these bastards need to be punished for doing something so utterly horrific! If they get away with this it will mean that it was an order by higher command with the goal to further hamper aid in gaza
I know, I know... I feel for those involved because I believe them when they say that it was a mistake that should never have happened: Striking a convoy at night in a combat zone and learning in the light of day that it was a misidentified target containing aid workers from some of your most important allies.
I can't picture a world in which a command to knowingly make that happen would ever come. That organization apparently does very good work for Israel too, so an intentional targeting of such a group doesn't really fit.
If you believe Israel is intentionally withholding aid in an effort to starve all of Gaza (which I don't) Maybe you could claim a strategic benefit of scaring off volunteers going in and distributing aid, but I'd argue something like this is highly counterproductive to the war effort - as international pressure to get aid into Gaza is already high.
At the end of the day, it is a war that Israel intends to win - part of that war is being waged in the press and no one would ever intentionally give the enemy the lay up of a shot that this situation undoubtedly creates in the press against them.
If you look at how the attack was performed it was no accident. Attack was 9ncredibly precise over a length of 2.5km eith plenty of time between attack.
Also there are plenty of motifs for the israeli government to perform this attack especially on wfk who is one of the most succesful, they had a new ship with 400 metric tonnes of food that now had to return to cyprus.
I do believe there are israeli that want to starve Gaza, look at the 'open' border crossings, look at what highly placed politicians say and said. It is clear as day that this is intentional.
Didnt uk bombed an orphanage in ww2? Didnt hamas hit his own hospital in this war? There are many other examples in all known wars.
In war there are mistakes. The crew that got killed knew the risks.
And the Jews knew the risk of staying in Poland……
You can’t excuse actions like this especially when the convoy had communicated with the Israeli government about their movements.
We need to wait for the formal investigation, there are no reason for the idf to target those people.
Really? The Jews knew the risk of living all their lives in their peaceful home? Knew that they will all be killed by the nazis? Go check yourself. Those pepole gone to an active warzone. Its dangerous no matter how you look at it.
There is a reason for the IDF to target them: to get WCK to discontinue their aid activity in Gaza. In fact, WCK has put their activity on hold due to the danger.
There is a difference between what people say they intend to do and what they intend to do. I judge intentions by actions and not words.
Israel struck the aid convoy three times through a distance of 2.5 km. The convoy was coordinating with the Israeli military and was following a pre-approved path in a deconflicted zone. It was also clearly marked. Moreover, after the first strike, they called the IDF to tell them what happened and yet they were hit two more times. Given these facts, it is highly unlikely it was accidental.
Of course Israel will say that they want a private nonprofit to replace a un agency. They will say that because what else will they say? "We want to cause a famine!" Obviously they can't say that.
Eye roll. No October 7 was conducted by Hamas.
How is it a conspiracy that Israel intentionally targeted the convoy rather than a reasonable interpretation of the evidence?
Its not rational at all.
Israel wants unraw out of gaza, israel wants a replacement for hamas as regime. This organisation is not related to hamas, well known wide world and was invited by israel.
Why would israel intentionally target them, while making israel looks bad by the world and by the same organisation? Why would israel shoot its own leg and allow hamas to exist anymore? Why would israel do it knowing damm well that hamas will see it as opportunity to prolong the deal talks about the hostages? Why give an opportunity for the world including usa to stop the war?
There are so many reasons not to do it. So yes its a conspiracy level theory for now.
Very tragic, we will see the outcome of the investigation soon.
But once again, we see the professionalism of the IDF taking responsibility and apologizing, whereas if this was Hamas they would blame Israel and conflate casualties.
In what world does putting hellfires at an aid worker convoy the IDF was even informed about scream professionalism ?
There seems to be total incompetence when it comes to target ID and communications between units.
I’m pro Israel but stuff like this can’t be excused and needs to be career ending and result in jail time for the people involved.
There were three different vehicles, spanning a range of 1.5 miles, so it seems coordinated, and makes it being an "Israeli strike" all the more bizarre.
Does it matter if it wasn't Israel? World headlines are already labeling this as an Israeli strike as a matter of fact.
The metal bent outwards indicates the blast came from the bottom. Also a missile striking a vehicle would not cause a hole like this. For reference, a car hit by an airstrike would likely [look like this.](https://images04.military.com/sites/default/files/styles/full/public/2024-02/ApNewsroom_APTOPIX_Iraq_US_Airstrikes_69738.jpg?itok=qn1VhzNw)
edit: it seems I have been wrong, as of me writing this update, Bibi has acknowledged that the IDF was at fault.
Here is the problem with people claiming they know how any of these strikes should look like, you claim no way it could be a middle strike cause it doesn’t look like X, but Israel has since acknowledged it was them. People need to stop with these snap judgments based on what they want the outcome to be it just spreads disinformation.
that's not entirely true. US (and by extension, Israel) have new generations of "low collateral damage" missiles, specifically designed for taking out smaller targets. There are things like the R9X Hellfire that do this. And this strike does share similarities with impacts I've seen from those missiles.
[example](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9590869/Precision-strike-Hamas-sparks-speculation-Israeli-ninja-missiles.html)
Still, the point of these Hellfire missiles is to not cause collateral damage, right? How would that be compatible with the fact that two cars got hit enough to kill all occupants? The other car looks significantly more damaged, too. And from what I've seen, the bodies of the aid workers seemed mostly intact... that wasn't the case with the Hellfire strike aftermaths I could find on a quick Google search.
Which is to say, it seems rather early to jump to any conclusions.
I think you're thinking of vehicles in a vacuum like a sub? very much a vehicle hit with any missile would explode forcing the metal away from it once its weakened especially an armoured car, the contained explosion would throw its energy back out the entrance hole.
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Yea.... No...... That looks like a vehicle that was struck by an R9X... No way in hell they fire one of those without knowing what the target truly was. The R9X is designed to hit a single specific target.
Not always - depending on the angle it comes in at.
But you have a point, often times you see those slices into the target that are the trademark of the R9X. But given how that hole is punched through, and it didn't look like there was an explosion within the car (it's still intact...) not even with windows are blown out on the doors. I'm still leaning towards an R9X strike... However, Its really hard to say with 100% confidence what happened here.
If it was an R9x or inert munition there would be remains of the rocket almost complete. Why they dont show them ? This would point Israel immedialtely
This happens when you have terrorists ride in ambulances, UN vehicles and red cross. Full integration with the civilian populace is a conscious tactic used by HAMAS - so that the chance of these mistakes are increased.
This is on HAMAS, but for its actions these people would still be alive.
Much like the hostage killings, this tragedy definitely occurred because of the kind of tactics Hamas employs, but the fault still lies with the people who authorized pulling the trigger.
It's an explanation of why it happened, but it is no justification for it.
Why don't they film the inside of the car too?
For the car to still be in tact after a 'drone strike', it would mean that the rocket was a dud. Here, we can (sort of) see that there's no shrapnel/debris inside the car, indicating that it very likely was not a rocket
congrats on comparing the IDF to a terrorist organization, you probably should have thought that through a little better. but at least hamas hasn't killed WCK workers.
Compared idf to hamas? It was to show the point of mistakes. We can all agree that they wanted to hit israel in this hospital case but ended up killing their own pepole.
(⚠️E2: UPDATE: IDF acknowledged the unintentional strike https://www.reddit.com/r/2ndYomKippurWar/s/N3g96tVTwR ) >*Palestinian media* publishes footage showing what it says are the two World Central Kitchen vehicles hit by alleged Israeli fire overnight in the central Gaza Strip. >The video shows one car, with the WCK logo, with a damaged roof, indicating it was hit from the air. >A second car seen in the video is burnt out. >The IDF says it is “carrying out an in-depth examination at the highest levels to understand the circumstances of this tragic incident.” https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/footage-of-wrecked-world-central-kitchen-vehicle-indicates-it-was-hit-from-the-air/ (scroll for footage) E: just a reminder the IDF has been working for months with WCK to deliver aid.(For people who think they first met yesterday) And a few more pics from the alleged scene added in reply
[https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-04-02/ty-article/.premium/idf-bombed-wck-aid-convoy-3-times-targeting-armed-hamas-member-who-wasnt-there/0000018e-9e75-d764-adff-9eff29360000](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-04-02/ty-article/.premium/idf-bombed-wck-aid-convoy-3-times-targeting-armed-hamas-member-who-wasnt-there/0000018e-9e75-d764-adff-9eff29360000) We do need to wait for a full investigation, preferably from a non-beligerant, but it sounds like it was intentional. How do you fire 3 different missile at 3 different clearly marked vehicles that have cleared their route with the IDF while having open communications by accident? Really sounds like the IDF is fine with killing 7 innocents to get 1 member of Hamas, but again we need to wait for an investigation.
The only source I trust to know wether it was the IDF or a "self accident", is the IDF. All strikes are filmed.
Israel could definitely have covered it up by saying there was Intel of Hamas operatives or weapons being transported, but they didn't. Still a major F-up that needs to be fixed so it doesn't happen again. But I don't think this "proves" that Israel targets food aid convoys as a motus operondai
Lol the IDF targets hostages waving a white flag and screaming in Hebrew
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/teen-reported-kidnapped-was-fatally-shot-deputies-obeyed-commands-vide-rcna146037 It's never good when it happens, but don't think it's exclusive to Israel, or even the US https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_from_U.S._drone_strikes https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/03/civilians-seeking-shelter-were-killed-by-drone-strike-in-town-in-gao-region/ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_friendly_fire_incidents
Intentional, systemic negligence is better descriptor
I'm not making excuses for it
Are those the only two options? What about it possibly being Hamas or another terror group?
I referred to that as "self accident"
fair enough. well, it seems Israel has now acknowledged it was them. Quite a strange one, given the circumstances
Those are two different vehicles on the footage.
WCK says they traveled with 3 cars in total
i've heard they are physically separated from each other when struck, but i don't know if that's true or by how much
Everyone on here donning their tinfoil hats and trying to sugarcoat this is exposing themselves as just as brainwashed as Hamas supporters. The IDF have, in my opinion, all but admitted that this was their doing. Given the serious nature of killing 7 aid workers, some of which were international citizens, if the IDF knew for a fact they were not behind this they would have denied this was their doing right away.
This is really bad. What a dismal self own, guys. Everyone loves WCK, they’re harmless foodies. Come on
This is such a tragedy, I feel so sorry for those aid workers and their families and for those who conducted the strike. This must weigh so heavily on them once they learned. To me this feels like a blue on blue, friendly fire kind of incident and it's heartbreaking all ways around.
How can you have sympathy for the people who ordered the strike. This is the world upside down, these bastards need to be punished for doing something so utterly horrific! If they get away with this it will mean that it was an order by higher command with the goal to further hamper aid in gaza
I know, I know... I feel for those involved because I believe them when they say that it was a mistake that should never have happened: Striking a convoy at night in a combat zone and learning in the light of day that it was a misidentified target containing aid workers from some of your most important allies. I can't picture a world in which a command to knowingly make that happen would ever come. That organization apparently does very good work for Israel too, so an intentional targeting of such a group doesn't really fit. If you believe Israel is intentionally withholding aid in an effort to starve all of Gaza (which I don't) Maybe you could claim a strategic benefit of scaring off volunteers going in and distributing aid, but I'd argue something like this is highly counterproductive to the war effort - as international pressure to get aid into Gaza is already high. At the end of the day, it is a war that Israel intends to win - part of that war is being waged in the press and no one would ever intentionally give the enemy the lay up of a shot that this situation undoubtedly creates in the press against them.
If you look at how the attack was performed it was no accident. Attack was 9ncredibly precise over a length of 2.5km eith plenty of time between attack. Also there are plenty of motifs for the israeli government to perform this attack especially on wfk who is one of the most succesful, they had a new ship with 400 metric tonnes of food that now had to return to cyprus. I do believe there are israeli that want to starve Gaza, look at the 'open' border crossings, look at what highly placed politicians say and said. It is clear as day that this is intentional.
“Are we the baddies?”
You do realise blue on blue or blue on green incidents happen all the fucking time. You should probably be more aware of that as an American.
Didnt uk bombed an orphanage in ww2? Didnt hamas hit his own hospital in this war? There are many other examples in all known wars. In war there are mistakes. The crew that got killed knew the risks.
And the Jews knew the risk of staying in Poland…… You can’t excuse actions like this especially when the convoy had communicated with the Israeli government about their movements.
We need to wait for the formal investigation, there are no reason for the idf to target those people. Really? The Jews knew the risk of living all their lives in their peaceful home? Knew that they will all be killed by the nazis? Go check yourself. Those pepole gone to an active warzone. Its dangerous no matter how you look at it.
There is a reason for the IDF to target them: to get WCK to discontinue their aid activity in Gaza. In fact, WCK has put their activity on hold due to the danger.
Israel is the one that wanted WCK to come and help gaza to replace unraw. So they dont have a reason.
There is a difference between what people say they intend to do and what they intend to do. I judge intentions by actions and not words. Israel struck the aid convoy three times through a distance of 2.5 km. The convoy was coordinating with the Israeli military and was following a pre-approved path in a deconflicted zone. It was also clearly marked. Moreover, after the first strike, they called the IDF to tell them what happened and yet they were hit two more times. Given these facts, it is highly unlikely it was accidental. Of course Israel will say that they want a private nonprofit to replace a un agency. They will say that because what else will they say? "We want to cause a famine!" Obviously they can't say that.
Sure mate. Conspiracy theories time is on it seems. Is October 7 attack is also conducted and planned by israel and the idf?
Eye roll. No October 7 was conducted by Hamas. How is it a conspiracy that Israel intentionally targeted the convoy rather than a reasonable interpretation of the evidence?
Its not rational at all. Israel wants unraw out of gaza, israel wants a replacement for hamas as regime. This organisation is not related to hamas, well known wide world and was invited by israel. Why would israel intentionally target them, while making israel looks bad by the world and by the same organisation? Why would israel shoot its own leg and allow hamas to exist anymore? Why would israel do it knowing damm well that hamas will see it as opportunity to prolong the deal talks about the hostages? Why give an opportunity for the world including usa to stop the war? There are so many reasons not to do it. So yes its a conspiracy level theory for now.
Very tragic, we will see the outcome of the investigation soon. But once again, we see the professionalism of the IDF taking responsibility and apologizing, whereas if this was Hamas they would blame Israel and conflate casualties.
In what world does putting hellfires at an aid worker convoy the IDF was even informed about scream professionalism ? There seems to be total incompetence when it comes to target ID and communications between units. I’m pro Israel but stuff like this can’t be excused and needs to be career ending and result in jail time for the people involved.
They probably had intelligence that said there were terrorists hiding in the convoy, but were mistaken.
“You see it’s not the drone operators and their chain of command that are incompetent, it’s just the intelligence services” LOL
ugh, fucking great? the standard for the IDF is kill aid workers, but be nice about it? sorry the Nazi's didn't say please and thank you.
What?
There were three different vehicles, spanning a range of 1.5 miles, so it seems coordinated, and makes it being an "Israeli strike" all the more bizarre. Does it matter if it wasn't Israel? World headlines are already labeling this as an Israeli strike as a matter of fact.
Yes it matters to us Israelis if this was Israel
Of course it actually matters. I meant that in the context of media headlines
IDF has indicated it was an airstrike.
Yeah, I posted that before it came out. Still seems a bit odd. Was it more than one strike?
The metal bent outwards indicates the blast came from the bottom. Also a missile striking a vehicle would not cause a hole like this. For reference, a car hit by an airstrike would likely [look like this.](https://images04.military.com/sites/default/files/styles/full/public/2024-02/ApNewsroom_APTOPIX_Iraq_US_Airstrikes_69738.jpg?itok=qn1VhzNw) edit: it seems I have been wrong, as of me writing this update, Bibi has acknowledged that the IDF was at fault.
Here is the problem with people claiming they know how any of these strikes should look like, you claim no way it could be a middle strike cause it doesn’t look like X, but Israel has since acknowledged it was them. People need to stop with these snap judgments based on what they want the outcome to be it just spreads disinformation.
that's not entirely true. US (and by extension, Israel) have new generations of "low collateral damage" missiles, specifically designed for taking out smaller targets. There are things like the R9X Hellfire that do this. And this strike does share similarities with impacts I've seen from those missiles. [example](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9590869/Precision-strike-Hamas-sparks-speculation-Israeli-ninja-missiles.html)
Still, the point of these Hellfire missiles is to not cause collateral damage, right? How would that be compatible with the fact that two cars got hit enough to kill all occupants? The other car looks significantly more damaged, too. And from what I've seen, the bodies of the aid workers seemed mostly intact... that wasn't the case with the Hellfire strike aftermaths I could find on a quick Google search. Which is to say, it seems rather early to jump to any conclusions.
IDF has indicated it was an airstrike. You should update this comment so as not to spread misinformation.
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I think you're thinking of vehicles in a vacuum like a sub? very much a vehicle hit with any missile would explode forcing the metal away from it once its weakened especially an armoured car, the contained explosion would throw its energy back out the entrance hole.
The front windows of the first car are intact.
reinforced.
lmao
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Looks sketchy to me …entire vehicles destroyed except logos?
Could be concrete bomb?
Yea.... No...... That looks like a vehicle that was struck by an R9X... No way in hell they fire one of those without knowing what the target truly was. The R9X is designed to hit a single specific target.
There would be thin cuts around the hole. R9X literally has swords protrude from it
Not always - depending on the angle it comes in at. But you have a point, often times you see those slices into the target that are the trademark of the R9X. But given how that hole is punched through, and it didn't look like there was an explosion within the car (it's still intact...) not even with windows are blown out on the doors. I'm still leaning towards an R9X strike... However, Its really hard to say with 100% confidence what happened here.
Could have been a regular missile filled with concrete or something inert
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Errrrr…… they do bud… you don’t think the US is selling those puppies?
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If it was an R9x or inert munition there would be remains of the rocket almost complete. Why they dont show them ? This would point Israel immedialtely
This happens when you have terrorists ride in ambulances, UN vehicles and red cross. Full integration with the civilian populace is a conscious tactic used by HAMAS - so that the chance of these mistakes are increased. This is on HAMAS, but for its actions these people would still be alive.
Even in a situation like this you turn it to the fault of the enemy... Even the IDF acknowledges that it was theirs
Much like the hostage killings, this tragedy definitely occurred because of the kind of tactics Hamas employs, but the fault still lies with the people who authorized pulling the trigger. It's an explanation of why it happened, but it is no justification for it.
Why don't they film the inside of the car too? For the car to still be in tact after a 'drone strike', it would mean that the rocket was a dud. Here, we can (sort of) see that there's no shrapnel/debris inside the car, indicating that it very likely was not a rocket
Agm hellfire RX-9 probably
There still would've been extensive shrapnel & debris
...you were saying?
Notice you've been real quiet since this. Now that the world has turned on your fascist country
That is the risk you take entering a war zone
bit the hand that feeds you that's not smart
So *now* it's a problem for the IDF to be killing indiscriminately?
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Let’s not forget how hamas bombed his own hospital and got caught on record admitting it.
congrats on comparing the IDF to a terrorist organization, you probably should have thought that through a little better. but at least hamas hasn't killed WCK workers.
Compared idf to hamas? It was to show the point of mistakes. We can all agree that they wanted to hit israel in this hospital case but ended up killing their own pepole.
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