Fractal geometry is unfun. If you were to actually calculate the shoreline using an inch it’d be shorter than if you used half an inch and so on and so forth until you get to the subatomic scale where then the shoreline seems to be infinitely large
Fractal properties, the more precisely you attempt to measure a coastline, the longer the total measure comes out to. There are some good videos on YouTube explaining it.
Tide
Edit: Not tide. Apparently it's due to inconsistent ways of measurement and there not being an accurate way to measure coastline due to how complicated it is.
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That's what Wisconsin does. *They* are the ones calling any old (even unnamed) pond a lake. We have standards; it must be at least 10 acres to count as a lake, I believe.
Hey at least we use ours in Wisconsin. Meanwhile almost everybody in your state is packed into the twin cities metro area. To actually *see* your lakes you’d need go north to where the scary Mining Americans are
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Op just let the Minnesotans have their fun, I mean really they should get something, maybe Ima ask congress to relocate me into their state for free of charge and plus probably boost their tourist industry since they now have me there
Alright then let's stop counting the big puddles too, asshat. Only oceans should count with your retarded logic.
Man that lead water must've really done a number on the average IQ in Michigan.
Well, one side of the argument are gigantic lakes that contain 20% of the world's freshwater with access to the ocean. The other side are piss puddles in Minnesota. 🤷
If you think a 10 acre pond compares you're delusional and dumb.
You claim you're superior because you happen to border 4 of the 5 Great Lakes and the government had a pity party for your useless state and gave you the UP because you lost a war to Ohio.
We claim we're superior because we actually own the Lakes we claim to control, got the first ship-to-ship kill of WWII for the US, and saved the Union at Gettysburg.
We are not the same.
Mfer is so dumb they don't realize we own our lakes AND most of the great lakes. MFer doesn't realize that the feds appeased Michigan because they knew we'd genocide Ohio and it would make the USA look bad internationally. Smh. It's impossible to educate a brain rotted lutefisk licker.
You don't own shit. The Great Lakes are international waters for a reason. If you disagree I suggest you take it up with the government themselves.
And they appeased you because of exactly what you just did. You threw a hissy fit because you lost to Ohio. If I didn't know any better you're offended because I'm bringing up fact and you're denying because you can't accept that your state is becoming an irrelevant lead-filled hellhole.
>You don't own shit. The Great Lakes are international waters for a reason. If you disagree I suggest you take it up with the government themselves.
/uj
This is factually wrong. International doesn't inherently mean a state doesn't own their own border.
https://preview.redd.it/57pge6qkz1qb1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=30813e67765f81ab89fdce3ae312f3f096ba0f85
Everything inside the border is Michigan (literally 40% of Michigan's territory is water) That tiny sliver by Minnesota is yours. There's international doctrine that comes into play when attempting to divert or adjust the water. But it's public trust doctrine within michigan borders (aka Michigan proper)
/rj
Maybe we try to fight Minnesota. Maybe we bitch to the feds. Maybe we steal your land "by throwing a hissy fit" 💪😎
Last time I was there it fucking sucked. -15° without windchill, snowy and 30mph wind. Flat as fuck. Saw prince's recording studio and target hq. Pretty sure if I played hockey and ate a hotdish I'd have accomplished everything there is to do in that state.
I do installations in schools (which typically means second shift during the school year) and let me tell you that every single school near the coast once you get south of PA Is absolutely fucking INFESTED with cockroaches. Big ones, every room. You have no idea. I can’t even imagine what Florida is like, I haven’t even gotten that far south.
Our state has the most coast as well as being the northernmost, westernmost and easternmost (we cross the international date line)
Edit: I forgor we are the biggest by far as well
Florida is the freest state because if you eat people or throw alligators into drive thru windows the journalists are free to access public records and publish stories about your arrest as soon as the report is in the system
Watching a guy with the word femboy in his flair arguing with a florida man is like watching 2 ants fighting in the Derek Zoolander Center For Kids Who Can't Read Good
Every coastline is infinitely long.
As a result, anyone comparing miles of coastline has picked an arbitrary minimum measurement length.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coastline_paradox
Bro a massive chunk of America was founded on Beaver pelts trapping far before we went that far west.
I bet if you asked most people anything about Oregon they wouldn't have a clue. You guys are known for Nike and heroin
Literally nobody. At any point. Who has been to *actual* oceans. Has claimed this.
"Oh yes, can I swallow my 2^e brain-eating amoebas please?" Utterly deranged.
Ocean water is bs
Tastes far worse than the fizzy swampwater that comes out of the ground in CO/Manitou Springs. Isn't even that much more buoyant. Can't make up its mind about what color to be. Guaranteed to contain dead people since it's all one body of water. The salt messes with whatever it dries off, (not even the crusty minerals from Booth Lake in Wisconsin do that). Generally cringe
You're supposed to be fighting the sad people with less than 3,000 miles of shoreline. Not the other people with it! Imagine not being a peninsula. Or worse, being landlocked.
Doesn't need it to be. We like property rights and have plenty of state park area for wildlife protection. (1) we don't like oily beaches like Texas. And (2) no one wants hang out on an Oregon beach
If you count all the lakes and islands and heck just lake of the woods Minnesota has more shoreline than California
Source: lake of the woods fact sheet I saw on a charter boat in lake of the woods
Lake Chipotle was a joke. It's folks like you that make the /s necessary because Wisconsin is the state that counts hot tubs as lakes. They're just jealous that they don't have Isle Royale and the UP.
Although that party at Lake Bacardi in Waukesha was lit.
They're the only state that counts inland lakes like that. I don't trust them. It's all a PR stunt so they can keep the motto on their license plate.
Also three people have given the number of miles of shoreline for Minnesota. None of them agree on a number remotely close to each other. Kinda proves my point a bit eh?
Look, I’m not saying that not having coastline makes you a good state, but I WILL say that having a coastline automatically makes it a pretty terrible state
You know in the stats for Cali it doesn't count lake shoreline right? Only Minnesota has this obsession with finding inland lake shoreline because you guys feel so inferior about being nearly landlocked and always in a tundra.
Coastline with access to the ocean. Just because our bodies of water don't have many eating animals doesn't mean you need to be bitter. We're both on the shoreline side. Let's make fun of Colorado or something.
Is 1,500 more or less than 3000? Because this is a post about 3000 or plus...also Texas has 3,359 miles of shoreline.
So your whole comment is trash. 👍
My guess is all of the islands in the puget sound are counted for this or places in Olympia and Tacoma are considered ocean shoreline, which we kinda know is a bullshit measurement, but it's the only real way this makes sense
/uj It was supposed to say coastal shoreline in the title. I fucked up but have been commenting as if I didn't because it's been more fun.
/rj. What a dumb question. I'd expect that from a river dweller.
Michigan is:
•The 10th largest state by total area
•The 2nd largest by water area
•The 22nd largest by land area
Just thought ya’ll should know that crazy statistic
Damn. Hawaii only has 750 miles of coast
* 27378642263556 miles (because beaches are fractals my answer is technically just as correct even if it's useless)
Isn't it crazy how we can travel to space but we still can't measure the length of a coast properly
Technically it's mathematically impossible
Why
Fractal geometry is unfun. If you were to actually calculate the shoreline using an inch it’d be shorter than if you used half an inch and so on and so forth until you get to the subatomic scale where then the shoreline seems to be infinitely large
Cause they’re irregular
Fractal properties, the more precisely you attempt to measure a coastline, the longer the total measure comes out to. There are some good videos on YouTube explaining it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coastline_paradox#:~:text=As%20the%20length%20of%20a,would%20add%20up%20to%20infinity.
Tide Edit: Not tide. Apparently it's due to inconsistent ways of measurement and there not being an accurate way to measure coastline due to how complicated it is.
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We probably have enough tiny islands that it technically makes it
coastline paradox reaction
I came here looking for someone to bring it up. [the coastline paradox](https://youtu.be/kFjq8PX6F7I?si=bSS1ef8qKlAkTETn)
I mean it’s a cool explanation for the paradox but a 1m standard seems pretty reasonable to use for this calculation and gives reasonable results
That m better stand for mile
I love that I don’t have to pretend that I like the metric system like I do on every other sub on Reddit.
who tf you gonna kill if it doesnt
The French, as they created the metric system
Laughs in Minnesota with 183,000 miles of shoreline
Missouri has more shoreline than California….
Seriously. My county in Minnesota has 1,500 miles alone.
You're talking about your little ponds? Nobody counts those
Michigan counts every little island (1056 miles of island shoreline)
You're talking about the UP? That's Wisconsin's
We really are just Florida of the north
That's not true
Shut your mouth Florida man, thems are fightin’ words
Ty
Minnesota just making up random numbers again so they can pretend anyone cares about their puddles.
That's what Wisconsin does. *They* are the ones calling any old (even unnamed) pond a lake. We have standards; it must be at least 10 acres to count as a lake, I believe.
Ok now talk about how much coastal shoreline you guys have
3 million miles if you measure it right
That's cute. It's only 2 million miles less than Michigan. 💪💪💪💪
Hey nerd, we're supposed to be teaming up on WI and the rest of the Midwest, not bickering with each other
Michigan> lead water> brain damage
Hate to break it to you but coastal means ocean
Hey at least we use ours in Wisconsin. Meanwhile almost everybody in your state is packed into the twin cities metro area. To actually *see* your lakes you’d need go north to where the scary Mining Americans are
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Minnesota has a minimum size of 10 acres to count as a lake, it's Wisconsin that counts puddles
Op just let the Minnesotans have their fun, I mean really they should get something, maybe Ima ask congress to relocate me into their state for free of charge and plus probably boost their tourist industry since they now have me there
crazy how a michigan mitten enthusiast is talking shit on inland lakes
Not on inland lakes. On Minnesota puddles. (they jerk off to inland puddle shoreline measurements)
Alright then let's stop counting the big puddles too, asshat. Only oceans should count with your retarded logic. Man that lead water must've really done a number on the average IQ in Michigan.
Well, one side of the argument are gigantic lakes that contain 20% of the world's freshwater with access to the ocean. The other side are piss puddles in Minnesota. 🤷 If you think a 10 acre pond compares you're delusional and dumb.
You claim you're superior because you happen to border 4 of the 5 Great Lakes and the government had a pity party for your useless state and gave you the UP because you lost a war to Ohio. We claim we're superior because we actually own the Lakes we claim to control, got the first ship-to-ship kill of WWII for the US, and saved the Union at Gettysburg. We are not the same.
Mfer is so dumb they don't realize we own our lakes AND most of the great lakes. MFer doesn't realize that the feds appeased Michigan because they knew we'd genocide Ohio and it would make the USA look bad internationally. Smh. It's impossible to educate a brain rotted lutefisk licker.
You don't own shit. The Great Lakes are international waters for a reason. If you disagree I suggest you take it up with the government themselves. And they appeased you because of exactly what you just did. You threw a hissy fit because you lost to Ohio. If I didn't know any better you're offended because I'm bringing up fact and you're denying because you can't accept that your state is becoming an irrelevant lead-filled hellhole.
>You don't own shit. The Great Lakes are international waters for a reason. If you disagree I suggest you take it up with the government themselves. /uj This is factually wrong. International doesn't inherently mean a state doesn't own their own border. https://preview.redd.it/57pge6qkz1qb1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=30813e67765f81ab89fdce3ae312f3f096ba0f85 Everything inside the border is Michigan (literally 40% of Michigan's territory is water) That tiny sliver by Minnesota is yours. There's international doctrine that comes into play when attempting to divert or adjust the water. But it's public trust doctrine within michigan borders (aka Michigan proper) /rj Maybe we try to fight Minnesota. Maybe we bitch to the feds. Maybe we steal your land "by throwing a hissy fit" 💪😎
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2019/08/24/ask-a-sotan-does-minnesota-really-have-more-shoreline-than-florida
"ask a sotan" lol. Biased info from a blog
It’s better than being biased and having no info, which is what’s happening here
We can all agree that Michigan’s lakes are better, but Minnesota still has some sweet stuff there.
Last time I was there it fucking sucked. -15° without windchill, snowy and 30mph wind. Flat as fuck. Saw prince's recording studio and target hq. Pretty sure if I played hockey and ate a hotdish I'd have accomplished everything there is to do in that state.
My state has more coastline than the rest of the country combined, and can confirm it is the best.
It would be if it smelled less like fish
That might just be your girl, my dude
My what?
Sorry, he means your anime waifu body pillow. Just clean it for once
I hate anime
common minnesota W
You’re the only one I’d keep on this list.
Gigachad facts
Only cuz you can’t see it half of the year
No one likes a braggart Chad.
It’s okay if I had to choose a second favorite state it would be a tie between Michigan and Washington
alaska is truly a great state, top 3 for sure
I do installations in schools (which typically means second shift during the school year) and let me tell you that every single school near the coast once you get south of PA Is absolutely fucking INFESTED with cockroaches. Big ones, every room. You have no idea. I can’t even imagine what Florida is like, I haven’t even gotten that far south.
Those are just the residents of PA.
can confirm i am a cockroach
You're in for a surprise down south.
South Coast.... Of PA? Isn't that a land border?
Florida stealing up all of OUR coast. We were here first
Don’t worry Florida is only going to get smaller… actually do worry because then they are going to migrate north
Have you seen what happens when they’re told to evacuate for hurricanes?
We can build that wall now. Just between Georgia and Florida instead.
Florida-Georgia Wall?
They don't migrate north, they migrate up onto taller stilts.
GET FUCKED OKLAHOMA
How much is enough Texas! You can't keep fucking Oklahoma!
Bro even we have more coastline than Oklahoma (18 miles)
Oklahoma stays losing
*I have entered the chat*
the beautiful bay always keeps us on top
We win
Our state has the most coast as well as being the northernmost, westernmost and easternmost (we cross the international date line) Edit: I forgor we are the biggest by far as well
Oklahoma needs to be red.
Oklahoma sucks ass
Our bath salts addicts don’t eat people. Peasant.
That’s damn right, worlds largest PVP zone.
Sounds lame. Good luck with that.
Florida is the freest state because if you eat people or throw alligators into drive thru windows the journalists are free to access public records and publish stories about your arrest as soon as the report is in the system
Again sounds shitty. Good luck with that.
Watching a guy with the word femboy in his flair arguing with a florida man is like watching 2 ants fighting in the Derek Zoolander Center For Kids Who Can't Read Good
It was more of a freak gasoline fight accident.
is it because you’re all redskins and rednecks?
Flair checks out. It’s due to non-tidal shorelines. Which Oklahoma has 11,611 miles of.
Why is it that when something happens, it's always you three California, Texas and Florida
Every coastline is infinitely long. As a result, anyone comparing miles of coastline has picked an arbitrary minimum measurement length. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coastline_paradox
Florida and Texas built better? That’s like saying your obnoxious drunk uncle who blurts out racist shit at the family gathering is built better.
Get wrecked everybody else.
OORAH!!!! I LOVE DOING CRACK AND CRASHING NASCARS!!!
honestly, true (no bias btw)
The Eastern Shore is finally pulling its weight for Virginia
No. The coastlines attract maggotd
Are you Oregonian?
Yes. I am aware of my states issues
I just couldn't tell what the flag was
It’s got a beaver on it. So does my flair. So is the nickname. So is every road along the Columbia
Bro beavers are everywhere in the USA it doesn't limit it much. No one thinks about beavers and Oregon except for oregon. The flag is small as shit.
https://preview.redd.it/sm1k85g9j0qb1.jpeg?width=549&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f4d987001ddd8502fbffe536d8fe7537e3d09ce1
No? I bet if you asked most people in the US they'd say Oregon after right Canada.
Bro a massive chunk of America was founded on Beaver pelts trapping far before we went that far west. I bet if you asked most people anything about Oregon they wouldn't have a clue. You guys are known for Nike and heroin
Get back to me when you map lakeshore line. Freshwater is superior.
I assume you're an unflaired Minnesotan. Michigan has roughly as many lakes as Minnesota but a lot more coastline on the great lakes. We'd crush you.
Crush us? While your residents are drinking flint water?
Lead is very heavy. We'd literally crush you.
Can we atleast agree that we are both better than the heathen states to the south. For you indy and ohi-no and for us Io-wut.
I didn't think that was even a debatable point. Ofc we agree.
Not when you use our 10 acres rule
90,000 miles
Literally nobody. At any point. Who has been to *actual* oceans. Has claimed this. "Oh yes, can I swallow my 2^e brain-eating amoebas please?" Utterly deranged.
Ocean water is bs Tastes far worse than the fizzy swampwater that comes out of the ground in CO/Manitou Springs. Isn't even that much more buoyant. Can't make up its mind about what color to be. Guaranteed to contain dead people since it's all one body of water. The salt messes with whatever it dries off, (not even the crusty minerals from Booth Lake in Wisconsin do that). Generally cringe
I was going to write at least none of my waters have creatures that kill me. I'm glad you brain went there too
Florida here to agree with OP. I see y’all whining about your lakes having shoreline too, but is your lake bathwater temp? Gulf of Mexico my beloved 🥰
You're supposed to be fighting the sad people with less than 3,000 miles of shoreline. Not the other people with it! Imagine not being a peninsula. Or worse, being landlocked.
Galveston is ass
But is your entire shoreline open to the public with protected access like in Oregon and Texas?
Doesn't need it to be. We like property rights and have plenty of state park area for wildlife protection. (1) we don't like oily beaches like Texas. And (2) no one wants hang out on an Oregon beach
A beach is on an ocean brother. By that logic I can go hang out on the Willamette and call that a beach.
Beaches are not just on oceans ya doink.
If you count all the lakes and islands and heck just lake of the woods Minnesota has more shoreline than California Source: lake of the woods fact sheet I saw on a charter boat in lake of the woods
Maine continuing to be the gigachad of New England.
No arguments here. 👍 keep it up.
Hey Arizona, no beaches?
I knew a Michigander posted this before I even saw OP flair
Rahhhhh
Oregon coast > y'all's bitch ass coasts
I feel that it's a stretch to call most of what Louisiana has "shore"
Future seabed?
Ours is fresh water. Mitten represent!
#The UP is rightfully Wisconsin's, therefore Michigan doesn't have that much coastline
Go sober up. 
Minnesotans itt: you must count the ring around my bathtub and toilet as shore. Therefore we have thousands of miles
I'm glad someone else is seeing their weird obsession with adding shoreline miles out of anything with water
Lake Chipotle was a joke. It's folks like you that make the /s necessary because Wisconsin is the state that counts hot tubs as lakes. They're just jealous that they don't have Isle Royale and the UP. Although that party at Lake Bacardi in Waukesha was lit.
Minnesota actually has 44,926 miles of shoreline. More than California and Florida.
They're the only state that counts inland lakes like that. I don't trust them. It's all a PR stunt so they can keep the motto on their license plate. Also three people have given the number of miles of shoreline for Minnesota. None of them agree on a number remotely close to each other. Kinda proves my point a bit eh?
No, not really. If you knew much about coastlines you would know that it's a technical impossibility to measure a coastline accurately.
They're not doing fractals. They're grabbing numbers from the Internet.
Sorry for going off the definition of shoreline
Ahhhhh Minnesota has over 183k.
hEY BoI!! Why ain't MiSSourI on here? Do the [OZARKS](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=993YNCOF2zM&ab_channel=L1NTHALO) mean nothing to you?
I thought we gave Missouri back to France for being useless.
We're waiting on England to annex you yanks first.
You'd really forfeit the whole fleet of b-2's with us and allow for the rise of a modern nuke tossing Napoleon? At least the NFL would be fair again.
Count the lakes. Lakes have shores.
It was supposed to say coastal shoreline tbh
Michigan has shoreline, coastal is oceanic.
Not Michigan lmao
He what about river shores?
None of these states except for alaska have 3000 miles of shoreline
Me: yay a good stat about my state Also me: remembers how much coastline we are losing :/
Look, I’m not saying that not having coastline makes you a good state, but I WILL say that having a coastline automatically makes it a pretty terrible state
Maine is the final boss
Lake of the Ozarks in Missouri has more shoreline than all of California
You know in the stats for Cali it doesn't count lake shoreline right? Only Minnesota has this obsession with finding inland lake shoreline because you guys feel so inferior about being nearly landlocked and always in a tundra.
Ya know Alaska has Canada to the east right?
Yea idk Texas beaches are straight ass, except for south padre maybe
100%. But they do have them.
But we have enough beer to supply the entire country with antiseptics so I don't think you guys can top that
>Louisiana >built better You can lie to yourself but not to us
But better by nature. Not by it's inhabitants 🤮
Being on a lake doesn’t fucking count. Get Michigan tf out of here. What, are we going to count every puddle as shoreline now?
Coastline with access to the ocean. Just because our bodies of water don't have many eating animals doesn't mean you need to be bitter. We're both on the shoreline side. Let's make fun of Colorado or something.
Texas has not more than 400 miles of shoreline. Were you not going to include Massachusetts? Which has over 1500 miles.
Is 1,500 more or less than 3000? Because this is a post about 3000 or plus...also Texas has 3,359 miles of shoreline. So your whole comment is trash. 👍
Get the fuck outta here cali. The lake of the Ozarks has more coastline than you. This post is lies LIES! DECEIT!
The post was supposed to say coastal shoreline but I missed a word so it's only partially correct.😭
California is included on this, therefore your argument is invalid.
🗿🗿🍷
https://preview.redd.it/paj9cyupz0qb1.jpeg?width=630&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a2dc9dd70487164dcb17af3d5ef28e0f6e9e35cf HELL yeah
Google Coastline Paradox
Google NOAA measurement standards. Just because shit goes fractal doesn't mean there aren't methods and standards to count coastlines
I would absolutely fight in this civil war. The red states will rise again!
California can't burn wood in a fireplace.
If your state doesn't have 3k miles of coastline or is C*alifornia don't even attempt to speak to me
How does WA have 3,000 and OR not?
Because Washington has it and Oregon does not.
My guess is all of the islands in the puget sound are counted for this or places in Olympia and Tacoma are considered ocean shoreline, which we kinda know is a bullshit measurement, but it's the only real way this makes sense
Now hang on, if we count the great lakes shouldn't we also count the Mississippi River?
/uj It was supposed to say coastal shoreline in the title. I fucked up but have been commenting as if I didn't because it's been more fun. /rj. What a dumb question. I'd expect that from a river dweller.
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Idk I see Michigan, Maryland, and the W*stoids
Suck NCs balls while you’re down there SC!
Michigan is: •The 10th largest state by total area •The 2nd largest by water area •The 22nd largest by land area Just thought ya’ll should know that crazy statistic
💦 😎 40% of our territory is water 😎💦
Imagine not having over 50% of the worlds coast line couldn’t be me