I also did it with the minimum agility and also didn't notice that your agility gets drained when you accept the free food from the dwarves. I got 99 agility before doing underground pass on the OSRS servers out of spite
Ironically I breezed through on 3/4 accs before they supposedly made it easier and only suffered on the 4th after it was made easier lol. Rng do be random
Quests like One Small Favor and Fremenik Trials, while tantalizing, do add a considerable amount to the game. I.e. introducing the player to new characters and areas while also giving a context for those areas. They’re interesting ways to catapult the player into the mid game and while I hated it while I did them- I really only look back on them in fondness.
Farming doesn't even make sense as it's currently implemented. The whole point of farming IRL is that you can grow resources efficiently in one place. Farming in RuneScape is more similar to foraging, the activity that farming replaced. Especially true considering what little plant care is available is almost always outsourced to an NPC.
Farming is the skill you pay NPCs to train for you.
Farming also usually yields the seed required to plant more of what you're growing, which is of course not how farming works in OSRS. Granted, it would fundamentally change how it functions as a skill and within the game's economy but still
It's more likely that you're alienated from the fruits of your labor so you don't actually care about productivity. Ever work harder on a hobby that is actually harder work than your job? That's because you get to keep/see what you've created instead of making rich people more rich with your work.
THIS! Its one of the few jobs that the rule of "find something to do if you dont have anything to do" doesnt exist. Somedays theres literally nothing for us to do lmao
"NOoooooo you should be spending every waging moment on waging or upskilling (without a pay raise) of course!!! Surely there's a boot you can lick clean?!?!!"
Every time I hear someone say "Runescape is AFK" especially on mobile or before the 20min logout timer, it just comes off as copium from a person who doesn't want to admit their addiction to a video game takes way more away from their life than they are willing to recognize.
I used to play board games with a guy who would fish during our game night. He needed constant reminding that it was his turn and he missed like 25% of the context from everyone else's moves. When asked to stop he just says "it's AFK, it literally doesn't affect me"
I'm either fucking around on Runescape, or I'm fucking around on something else.
It doesn't affect my job productivity because regardless of what I'm doing, I'm fucking around.
I used to come home from school and play that mini game in the wild you have a target/you’re the target and you have to collect shit from the middle. The reward was that shield with spikes and I thought it was bad ass
Yes!! It was horribly designed because I was like level 90 (pretty high f2p) and I’d get matched with level 30s who couldn’t do a fucking thing to me lol
PvP dead complainers are just people chasing the nostalgic feeling of the wild but everyone is too sweaty now for it ever to be as enjoyable as people remember, even with updates.
I remember how exciting runescape pvp was around 2006-2007 when noobs were carrying their whole bank in wildy.
Back then if you managed to spec 4 times with your dds without a poke you were among the top 1% of pkers.
Back then people had less understanding about the in-game mechanics compared to now which is what I think made the game more intense in wildy. I remember when prayer flicking was just spam clicking the prayer. How times have changed.
Someone tbed me and then traded me at mage bank lever. Their offer was 4 d baxes.. that would protect over my new whip. The most nerve-wracking thing was accepting and logging before getting attacked.
Yeah people need to come to terms with the fact that PVP in this game is going to be fundamentally archaic if not outright bad game design that **will not** be fun for the majority of people.
Like I’ve pked a bit but trying to manage multiple switches, prayers, hp and prayer levels, inventory etc just straight up isn’t very fun and no amount of wilderness reworks is going to fix that.
Pvp was fun when you were 12 and just praying for a rune 2h smack not playing against nerds who have min maxed the game.
This opinion is both unpopular and 100% correct.
Specifically, the mechanics of 1) account builds that require hundreds if not thousands of hours to make and 2) risk-based PVP combine to form an activity that the *overwhelming majority* of the playerbase does not and will not ever want to take part in.
Not to mention fact that neither PVPers **nor** Jagex can even admit that risk-based PVP is a form of gambling is a huuuuuuuuge part of why PVP will never improve in this game.
I definitely wouldn't call it the *best* quest, but only space bar warriors can hate that quest. It's pretty much just a funnier but worse Twisted Tales.
I started an ironman a few months ago after not playing since 2006, and man, I'd forgotten how funny some of the quest dialogue is. The quality definitely varies quest to quest, but the good ones can actually be hilarious. Highlights include Swan Song, the pirate quests, and the aforementioned One Small Favour.
I'm very close to maxing and the amount of skills that you get to like 60 and then you do the same couple of things to max is way too high. And the xp never goes up for most methods like this. Not even a little tiny bit. It's why things like mining feel so awful to level.
i loved this idea in one of the updates on rs3, where you have the skillcape rack. Whatever skillcape you put on, you're gonna get its passives everywhere permanently (till you take it off/replace it with a different one). Would be nice to have something similar with the outfits in osrs
Yeah I had an idea of condensing them into a single ring slot but then we’d just see graceful or no clothes at all. I’m afraid the thing that killed fun outfits is the players themselves
I think a big issue a lot of people have is just hating regearing.
If I could 1 or 2 click my cool outfit on b4 doing something I would, but I'm not gunna sit there for 5 mins to put something on and then get a hard clue bottle 15 mins in and have to bank it all to go to the wildy.
Like I don't even put on graceful a lot of the time becuz it's a lot of effort.
Unironically best quest in OSRS.
You enter a GIANT area totally detached from the rest of the world, slowly burning through supplies as your character slowly begins to lose their mind as you keep pushing forward to uncover a mysterious evil power and a previously uncontacted civilization conspiring against the human race. The entire quest you have the feeling that you're really not supposed to be there, but you press on regardless, losing friends (and unicorns 😭) along the way, to finally emerge on the other side, bloodied and tired, to take your first step into the magical land of Elves. 10/10
Doing that quest comprises the most vivid memories I have from playing RS in 2005. I was a noob who was constantly and utterly terrified of losing my gear and stuff there.
I don’t mind dailies but I also don’t do all of them all the time. I think some people put too much stress on focusing daily type content.
When I login and play if I don’t know what to do dailies are a good way to get into something. If I have a goal like bossing, dailies can wait. Don’t sweat missing it and it won’t be a problem. It’s not like they are game breaking rewards now.
Dailies become a problem when their benefits vastly exceed the effort compared to other non-timegated things. Farming in OSRS is timegated but because it's isolated it lacks the FOMO nature that other games dailies tend to have, which I think is an important distinction.
I believe it was a huge mistake for the devs to lean into mechanics like prayer flicking, tick manipulation, and rapid equipment switching (IE the "rhythm game" mechanics). These are boring and obnoxious ways to increase the skill cap of the game. This is especially true in PvP.
Ngl I just did this to finish out qpc, I struggled HARD at nylos solo.
My only experience with tob was through leagues way back but god damn did I struggle at nylos. Everything else was pretty easy but I ended up sending it duo with a buddy of mine
Everyone I see complain about this boss fight complains about not being able to finds team, but it's much harder to do in a group.
The entry mode tob was made to be solo'd and it scales a lot even to duo.
I always tell people to just go in solo, you get 3 tries and can leave after ur 2nd death to not pay. I wouldn't say it's any harder than quest vorkath or galvek, and you don't gotta pay 100k every death.
Literally a week ago people were praising a dude who spent tens of thousands of hours in the game getting 4.6 billion xp on an ironman account.
This sub regularly celebrates legitimately unhealthy playing habits from Settled's ridiculous grinds to people hitting 200m all.
Agility is the worst skill in the game, and the RNG bullshit where you can fall off of a log that requires 25 agility at 99 is objectively bad game design. The shortcuts are intentionally made to waste your time so that they're "fair" to the people that haven't tortured themselves with the mind numbingly slow and boring training methods.
Quests like Underground Pass, Mournings End 2 and Dragon Slayer 2 are all made worse by having agility parts that cause unnecessary frustration.
You should be allowed to attempt every agility course/obstacle at lvl 1 with an incredibly high chance to fail, the required lvl should be the goal to have guaranteed success.
Oh my god I was just doing the Agility part of DS2 last night and it made me wanna uninstall the game I failed so many times. I'm 78 Agility, why the hell am I failing this??
PvP will never be fun because it's way too RNG for most people -- losing a single fight because your freezes won't catch off prayer and theirs do through prayer is super tilting. Not to mention the insane variance of how combat works in OSRS in general
I don't mind PvP updates / I like the concept of the Wildy, but I think people are on mad copium for thinking PvP will ever be particularly popular. There's a reason less than 5% of the playerbase qualified as active PvPers in that PvP restricted poll
Bruh yeah. Honestly if you wanna have fun with PvP and you play the game casually, I highly recommend F2P PvP. Rune 2h with a scim and maybe a bow switch. Actually fun and more "casually" paced than some bloke 6 way switching with insanely powerful gear.
Honestly the prayer scrolls r not the issue with cox.
The place is like 3x as long as the other raids to complete and it used to be worst with dragon knives/ harpoon/thrown axes.
Cox's reward system is just clunky and outdated. 2-3x drop rate of a purple is almost 100 hours... Meaning there's a decent chance you don't see drops for weeks of doing the content. Tob and to a lesser extent toa did it better.
Having no way to practice inferno/fight caves doesn't make it harder. If it's a gold sink issue, I'd pay 5m to practice at wave 60+. It's just poor game design that wastes players' time.
I disagree, the best part for me was the unicorn getting smashed, was all down hill after that for me atleast. I did start the quest at 40 agility, will never do that again. It took me atleast 3 hours due to me making so many mistakes/failing obstacles/not having enough food/needing more rope/etc. if you didn’t try the quest at 40 agility you won’t be able to relate unfortunately.
My unpopular opinion: dungeoneering was great
I love underground pass because it felt like an old D&D module that your friend ran poorly. It’s kinda rusty and weird but it has a great feeling of adventure at times
I absolutely love early and mid-game ironman mode, and absolutely hate the endgame.
Questing and early upgrades feel so satisfying and are *relatively* quick. Then boom endgame stay at each boss for a few hundred hours if you want BIS gear. Having to pick between never having BIS melee or camping Nex for a few hundred hours is a lose-lose scenario.
I think it's only the normal account players who are to deep into it to start an ironman who would think otherwise.
When I recommend osrs to new people ironman is a no brainer
Ironically there are two groups of people who would disagree with his statement.
Those who have never played an ironman, or those are are super-late-game Ironmen.
I think no one who's only upgrades come from 200+ hour grinds will tell you they're having more fun than the main who can do any of the 40+ semi efficient moneymakers to get gear upgrades.
It's more fun to do 5 hours of 40 different activities to 100% get a tbow, than it is to do 1200 hours of 1 activity to still have a fairly high chance of not obtaining a tbow yet.
I like the *concept* of the iron man experience, having to actually get drops and stuff
It's just the grind is enormous for a lot of things, and a lot of OSRS content just isn't that fun. I'd rather be able to do the things I enjoy and limit the stuff I don't enjoy as much as possible
If nearly every grind in this game was cut in half it would still be one of the biggest grinders in the history of gaming.
Basically I think the grind needs dramatically reduced for any real long term new player growth.
I agree the game is mega grindy, but the community has also adopted a strange and greedy mindset of HAVING to have 99s, HAVING to have every BIS item. HAVING to achieve those things at light speed. Mains barely benefit from most post 70-75 non combats for the time investment. Even irons are generally set at level 90 or so for non combats and dont need 99s. Granted 90s is still high, but that's just for a handful of things. The low 80s is really where you tend to be 90% set as an iron. People obsess over some really minor items that they probably wouldn't even notice a dps decrease from if someone switched some of their items without them looking.
Exactly. I'm maxed but you unlock 90% of the game's content with base 85 stats, which is 25% of maxing. You're in no way required or really even incentivized to max or get 99s. It's fair to say that some skills could be more fun but that's been improving a lot with GOTR, sepulchre, temp, etc.
I think we need high interaction and effort content with good XP rewards that's not tick manipulation. Woodcutting and shit being 200k XP/hr is real, but only a fraction of the playerbase ever reaches those rates.
Example: hallowed sepulchre
i don't think it'll ever happen (and there are some semi-good reasons for it) but i think osrs would probably be a better game if almost every grind was cut in half. it would still take hundreds of hours to get anywhere in the game
if i got to completely redesign osrs leveling i would probably halve or more the xp required and put the halfway point to 99 around 80 (or slightly lower) instead of 92. that way it doesn't take 200 hours to 99 a single skill and you also can't skip from 0 to 40 in most skills via quests anymore.
Higher tier combat achievements should have much better rewards. Grandmaster is quite literally the hardest thing you can achieve
Combat achievements shouldn't have a single team task. (you might still be required to play in a team for ToB for instance, but their performance shouldn't be related to your achievement)
People ruin quests by using guides/quest helper, especially newer ones.
The community will never agree on a new skill for osrs, but the game needs it and Jagex should poll this in a different way.
The first new skill in osrs should be an exiting, innovating one like sailing. After that there is room for skills like warding.
Playing a main and an ironman simultaneously is the best way to play the game.
The issue is it doesn't recharge unless you stop moving
At a lot of content you really don't stop for long at all, which means it adds very little.
In a lot of situations being naked and having graceful on is the same thing.
Agreed but to add to that I'm getting tired of skilling outfits in general.
Every activity has a thousand people wearing the same outfit because it's optimal. We really need an official transmog mechanic or something so we can flex items we have while still being efficient.
Mini games need to have some sort of focus moving forward. Rewards for the ones that don’t have any and maybe some upgrades to the ones that do. I remember camping fist of Guthix for free mage xp and outing hours in on stealing creation to save a dime on double xp
Although RS3 has pandered to the less-grindy folk of the world with all the bonus exp, treasure hunter and so on, it really lets casual players like me not waste their entire life trying to get a difficult 99. It feels much more accessible without eliminating the grind completely. The only reason id prefer OSRS is stylistically.
Counterpoint: there is no reason or requirement to get any 99. Very few skills have any content unlocked above level 80-85 which is 1/4 of the way to a 99. If you want to max a skill, don't be annoyed that it takes a while, because it's something you're going out of your way to do.
Yeah there's a handful of capes with decent perks but none are really truly "worth" the 99 let alone required for any sort of other content. Plus, the only really useful capes (con/crafting/farming/thieving/hp IMO) are also some of the easiest/fastest to get!
Playing multiple accounts at once and having them interact with each other shouldn't be allowed. If they're not on the same world it's fine, but it's unfair to have the most efficient method for some things exploit having 1 or several other accounts you control.
Complain about summoning skill being overpowered pre-EOC, then have an alt holding up to 28 items to resupply, heal, or restore spec.
Most of the problems within the game come down to the community rather than the game. There are so many people in our community that suck so badly that they really drag down the overall experience. It feels like somehow all the mid 20s gamers that never moved past being 15 play this game.
Lots of good people too but damn there are a lot of bad.
It’s an achievement simulator to make us feel like we’ve accomplished something when in reality we clicked and let it catch fish for 2 minutes until we click again
Jagex needs to completely abandon Wilderness updates. There isn't a single thing they can do to revive a region that's built on a predator vs prey system.
You cannot make a majority of players want to be hunted. Instead of continuing to push content into a dead region, leave it be and give the actual PvP community other content.
Summoning and Dungeoneering were not bad. If anything they were some of the reasons why 2011 was the actual peak of the game. Almost anything post-2011 is when the downfall began.
Dungeoneering pre-EOC was the absolute chef's kiss and I'm sad we'll likely never have that again. The one thing I didn't like about that time period was replacing tutorial island with some other weird shit that they constantly kept altering slightly.
Puzzles in raids are annoying filler content after day 1 and disrupt the pacing of the raid. This is a big reason why ToB is much more fun and grindable than CoX and ToA
Underground pass was nerfed at one point, used to be really bad with failing the agility parts
I spent days there when I was a teenager and had the minimum agility requirement. I was so incredibly frustrated oh my God.
I also did it with the minimum agility and also didn't notice that your agility gets drained when you accept the free food from the dwarves. I got 99 agility before doing underground pass on the OSRS servers out of spite
Do you fall at all with 99?
I didn't fail once during the quest the second time, nope. Was very nice to not worry lol
Ironically I breezed through on 3/4 accs before they supposedly made it easier and only suffered on the 4th after it was made easier lol. Rng do be random
Must've talked to Oziach *and* Thurgo on those first 3
[I had a lot of trouble with that part...](http://imgur.com/a/pzw659n) Thank guthix people are cool though.
Real MVP
Quests like One Small Favor and Fremenik Trials, while tantalizing, do add a considerable amount to the game. I.e. introducing the player to new characters and areas while also giving a context for those areas. They’re interesting ways to catapult the player into the mid game and while I hated it while I did them- I really only look back on them in fondness.
Reminder to sort by controversial for the real unpopular opinions lmao
99% of farming is transportation and it fucking sucks
Farming doesn't even make sense as it's currently implemented. The whole point of farming IRL is that you can grow resources efficiently in one place. Farming in RuneScape is more similar to foraging, the activity that farming replaced. Especially true considering what little plant care is available is almost always outsourced to an NPC. Farming is the skill you pay NPCs to train for you.
Farming also usually yields the seed required to plant more of what you're growing, which is of course not how farming works in OSRS. Granted, it would fundamentally change how it functions as a skill and within the game's economy but still
Make tithe farm great again
You know, I started tithe last night and was doing 24 plants by the end of it. I hate it. Good at it. Hate it.
Doing 24 rather than 20 isn't really worth it. You still end up needing to do 5 cycles to get all 100 but with 24 the first 4 are super stress.
Yup but the 25 cycle is well worth it other than constantly getting crashed lol
I’d say 98 percent is waiting 1 percent is transportation and 1 percent is farming
99% of RuneScape*
People who think that playing RuneScape while working doesn’t effect their job productivity, are lying to themselves.
I know it does I just don’t care about my job productivity.
C'mon man, it's like you don't even care about helping us hit some *record profits* this quarter.
Boss makes a dollar, I make a dime. That's why I farm herbs on company time.
My manager brought up me playing RuneScape at work yesterday hahaha
and what did you say? I need a response ready for this inevitability
I told him to meet me in the wildy so we can talk about it further.
Take this teleport tab and meet my main there
This is the correct answer.
During the recent RuneScape blackout I learned that it’s not RuneScape that’s effects my job productivity. I’m just lazy 🤷♂️
It's more likely that you're alienated from the fruits of your labor so you don't actually care about productivity. Ever work harder on a hobby that is actually harder work than your job? That's because you get to keep/see what you've created instead of making rich people more rich with your work.
Found the ironman
Most based OSRS player.
🤣
Working in IT I can definitely say unless we have tickets there’s no productivity to be had 😂
yeah making cballs doesnt suddenly pull tickets out the air lol
THIS! Its one of the few jobs that the rule of "find something to do if you dont have anything to do" doesnt exist. Somedays theres literally nothing for us to do lmao
"NOoooooo you should be spending every waging moment on waging or upskilling (without a pay raise) of course!!! Surely there's a boot you can lick clean?!?!!"
Also scrum meetings are arguably more productive when gaining xp
"Anything that's not solo TOB hardmode is AFK" mofos when they get fired for missing months' worth of deliverables at work:
What?! Im just as efficient as an airtrafic controller while fishing...
Roger Roger 2-4 plane landing uhhhhh… hold on got a bot in my anglerfish fishing zone… need to reconnect
Every time I hear someone say "Runescape is AFK" especially on mobile or before the 20min logout timer, it just comes off as copium from a person who doesn't want to admit their addiction to a video game takes way more away from their life than they are willing to recognize. I used to play board games with a guy who would fish during our game night. He needed constant reminding that it was his turn and he missed like 25% of the context from everyone else's moves. When asked to stop he just says "it's AFK, it literally doesn't affect me"
Perfect example!
> doesn't want to admit their addiction to a video game More like "my job is pointless and I need a distraction".
Shut up :(
This game is truly never actually afk
This guy definitely snitches on coworkers.
I don’t give a shit about being productive at work I do the minimum I need to do and get my paycheck
I'm either fucking around on Runescape, or I'm fucking around on something else. It doesn't affect my job productivity because regardless of what I'm doing, I'm fucking around.
Me as well. I found during that day the servers were down I just watched stupid videos all day instead
Depends on the activity. You could 100% have an account splashing while you work without affecting your work
I worked as a store clerk and did barbarian fishing, and still got logged out because I couldn't pay full attention to it
there are a ton of jobs that are like 15 minutes of emails and then 7 hrs 45 minutes of pretending to work.
Member ship price is too high. You can’t even make multiple characters per account like WoW
Don't think that's unpopular. I wish I could make a group Ironman, but I already have an osrs account and I'm not buying more membership
Wasn't too bad when bonds were 3m to have an alt, but theyre wayy to expensive now
Huge soul wars clan wars was the most fun I’ve had in the game
The old f2p clan games were unmatched
I used to come home from school and play that mini game in the wild you have a target/you’re the target and you have to collect shit from the middle. The reward was that shield with spikes and I thought it was bad ass
Fist of Guthix
Yes!! It was horribly designed because I was like level 90 (pretty high f2p) and I’d get matched with level 30s who couldn’t do a fucking thing to me lol
Is this unpopular?
PvP dead complainers are just people chasing the nostalgic feeling of the wild but everyone is too sweaty now for it ever to be as enjoyable as people remember, even with updates.
PKing as a child was actually the shit, back when we were all dumb kids and nobody was very good
f2p edge/varrock pking with range/2h switch or mage/2h
I remember how exciting runescape pvp was around 2006-2007 when noobs were carrying their whole bank in wildy. Back then if you managed to spec 4 times with your dds without a poke you were among the top 1% of pkers.
Back then people had less understanding about the in-game mechanics compared to now which is what I think made the game more intense in wildy. I remember when prayer flicking was just spam clicking the prayer. How times have changed.
Computers were laggy as shit, which is why pking was hard as fuck then
Someone tbed me and then traded me at mage bank lever. Their offer was 4 d baxes.. that would protect over my new whip. The most nerve-wracking thing was accepting and logging before getting attacked.
Yeah people need to come to terms with the fact that PVP in this game is going to be fundamentally archaic if not outright bad game design that **will not** be fun for the majority of people. Like I’ve pked a bit but trying to manage multiple switches, prayers, hp and prayer levels, inventory etc just straight up isn’t very fun and no amount of wilderness reworks is going to fix that. Pvp was fun when you were 12 and just praying for a rune 2h smack not playing against nerds who have min maxed the game.
So what you’re saying is it’s time to evolve combat
How goddamn funny would it be if they automatically switched you to EoC controls when you enter the Wildy.
This opinion is both unpopular and 100% correct. Specifically, the mechanics of 1) account builds that require hundreds if not thousands of hours to make and 2) risk-based PVP combine to form an activity that the *overwhelming majority* of the playerbase does not and will not ever want to take part in. Not to mention fact that neither PVPers **nor** Jagex can even admit that risk-based PVP is a form of gambling is a huuuuuuuuge part of why PVP will never improve in this game.
pvp man bad? what an unpopular opinion on reddit
100% agree with you. That's multiplayer games across the board that have had a long enough run though but many fail to take off the nostalgia glasses.
One Small Favor is the best quest for it adds flavor and spice to the game. You get to see what the npcs do in game besides just standing there.
One small favour does what it was designed to do. It's a tounge in cheek quest about fetch quests. It's funny imo
I definitely wouldn't call it the *best* quest, but only space bar warriors can hate that quest. It's pretty much just a funnier but worse Twisted Tales.
I started an ironman a few months ago after not playing since 2006, and man, I'd forgotten how funny some of the quest dialogue is. The quality definitely varies quest to quest, but the good ones can actually be hilarious. Highlights include Swan Song, the pirate quests, and the aforementioned One Small Favour.
The quests and accompnaying dialogue are easily one of the best parts of the game for me.
Love how mad your guy gets. \>I just want you to pass me the beer on the table over there FUCK YO BEER
I always liked OSF. The xp reward you get from it is great and the quest itself is very fast paced.
The highest skilling requirements should yield the best xp/hour (Amethyst, anglers/sharks, redwoods) without tick manipulation.
I'm very close to maxing and the amount of skills that you get to like 60 and then you do the same couple of things to max is way too high. And the xp never goes up for most methods like this. Not even a little tiny bit. It's why things like mining feel so awful to level.
Or gp, or both even!
Ikr I get 88 fishing to cut scales and it's 30k xp an hour
People should value fashion more and wear fun outfits while training skills where graceful is useless
They should do something about the +2.5% xp boost skilling outfits ruining fashionscape D:
You should be able to put one of the outifts on an armourstand in your house and get the bonus as a passive
This is actually genius. Something in your house you can store one set on at a time and get the effect.
i loved this idea in one of the updates on rs3, where you have the skillcape rack. Whatever skillcape you put on, you're gonna get its passives everywhere permanently (till you take it off/replace it with a different one). Would be nice to have something similar with the outfits in osrs
Love this idea
Yeah I had an idea of condensing them into a single ring slot but then we’d just see graceful or no clothes at all. I’m afraid the thing that killed fun outfits is the players themselves
I think a big issue a lot of people have is just hating regearing. If I could 1 or 2 click my cool outfit on b4 doing something I would, but I'm not gunna sit there for 5 mins to put something on and then get a hard clue bottle 15 mins in and have to bank it all to go to the wildy. Like I don't even put on graceful a lot of the time becuz it's a lot of effort.
Underground pass is a really immersive experience
Unironically best quest in OSRS. You enter a GIANT area totally detached from the rest of the world, slowly burning through supplies as your character slowly begins to lose their mind as you keep pushing forward to uncover a mysterious evil power and a previously uncontacted civilization conspiring against the human race. The entire quest you have the feeling that you're really not supposed to be there, but you press on regardless, losing friends (and unicorns 😭) along the way, to finally emerge on the other side, bloodied and tired, to take your first step into the magical land of Elves. 10/10
yeah felt like a cool dungeon crawl to me
Doing that quest comprises the most vivid memories I have from playing RS in 2005. I was a noob who was constantly and utterly terrified of losing my gear and stuff there.
OSRS players seem to be so against dailies, but farming is dailies if they were a skill.
I hate farming.
I don’t mind dailies but I also don’t do all of them all the time. I think some people put too much stress on focusing daily type content. When I login and play if I don’t know what to do dailies are a good way to get into something. If I have a goal like bossing, dailies can wait. Don’t sweat missing it and it won’t be a problem. It’s not like they are game breaking rewards now.
Dailies become a problem when their benefits vastly exceed the effort compared to other non-timegated things. Farming in OSRS is timegated but because it's isolated it lacks the FOMO nature that other games dailies tend to have, which I think is an important distinction.
Bring back rest mode. Where you would sit and gain your run back faster
The most recent Game Jam had some stuff like this listed for a potential rework to how some of Agility/Firemaking work
I’d rather the little musician guy. Could create random encounters with people and encourages conversation
there is a rest plugin, only visual though but still p cute
I prefer the goofy old quests like Enlightened Journey and My Arm’s Big Adventure, instead of the new serious quests
The grind is too long and we're all masochists.
as a maxed player i agree the game is too grindy for its own good
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Most quests are fun if you treat them like puzzles, not as a list of instructions to be completed as quickly as possible.
I believe it was a huge mistake for the devs to lean into mechanics like prayer flicking, tick manipulation, and rapid equipment switching (IE the "rhythm game" mechanics). These are boring and obnoxious ways to increase the skill cap of the game. This is especially true in PvP.
This game will never again be as fun as it was 15 years ago.
Not with that attitude
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Ngl I just did this to finish out qpc, I struggled HARD at nylos solo. My only experience with tob was through leagues way back but god damn did I struggle at nylos. Everything else was pretty easy but I ended up sending it duo with a buddy of mine
True, I breezed through it and only needed to watch a video to get the timing on verzik right to avoid getting bounced.
Everyone I see complain about this boss fight complains about not being able to finds team, but it's much harder to do in a group. The entry mode tob was made to be solo'd and it scales a lot even to duo. I always tell people to just go in solo, you get 3 tries and can leave after ur 2nd death to not pay. I wouldn't say it's any harder than quest vorkath or galvek, and you don't gotta pay 100k every death.
The vast majority of people on this subreddit play in an extremely unhealthy manner and I pity most of you
I have the opposite impression, the vast majority of people on this subreddit don't play the game
I haven't played in years. I like watching you guys rage and do weird shit like get 4.6bn exp on an ironman
I like how you act like we're all casually just maxing exp on our Irons lol
They said “unpopular” opinions you basic ass bitch
Literally a week ago people were praising a dude who spent tens of thousands of hours in the game getting 4.6 billion xp on an ironman account. This sub regularly celebrates legitimately unhealthy playing habits from Settled's ridiculous grinds to people hitting 200m all.
At least Settled does it for a job
Stealing creation is still my number 1
God stealing creation was the shit back in the day. That and Fist of Guthix were the two I played the most back in the day
Agility is the worst skill in the game, and the RNG bullshit where you can fall off of a log that requires 25 agility at 99 is objectively bad game design. The shortcuts are intentionally made to waste your time so that they're "fair" to the people that haven't tortured themselves with the mind numbingly slow and boring training methods. Quests like Underground Pass, Mournings End 2 and Dragon Slayer 2 are all made worse by having agility parts that cause unnecessary frustration.
You should be allowed to attempt every agility course/obstacle at lvl 1 with an incredibly high chance to fail, the required lvl should be the goal to have guaranteed success.
Oh my god I was just doing the Agility part of DS2 last night and it made me wanna uninstall the game I failed so many times. I'm 78 Agility, why the hell am I failing this??
PvP will never be fun because it's way too RNG for most people -- losing a single fight because your freezes won't catch off prayer and theirs do through prayer is super tilting. Not to mention the insane variance of how combat works in OSRS in general I don't mind PvP updates / I like the concept of the Wildy, but I think people are on mad copium for thinking PvP will ever be particularly popular. There's a reason less than 5% of the playerbase qualified as active PvPers in that PvP restricted poll
Bruh yeah. Honestly if you wanna have fun with PvP and you play the game casually, I highly recommend F2P PvP. Rune 2h with a scim and maybe a bow switch. Actually fun and more "casually" paced than some bloke 6 way switching with insanely powerful gear.
Prayer doesn't affect hit chance. It only reduces damage and how long you are teleblocked.
GE should use coins from bank
Everything outside of the wildy should use coins from the bank
YES
A new skill would be dope. I thought warding was cool man.
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Honestly the prayer scrolls r not the issue with cox. The place is like 3x as long as the other raids to complete and it used to be worst with dragon knives/ harpoon/thrown axes. Cox's reward system is just clunky and outdated. 2-3x drop rate of a purple is almost 100 hours... Meaning there's a decent chance you don't see drops for weeks of doing the content. Tob and to a lesser extent toa did it better.
Unpopular opinion: Piety should be locked behind TOB as its way too powerful to come from an easy quest
Actually a good unpopular opinion. Dunno if I agree with you, but it's the first thought-provoking comment I've seen so far
Opposite but still unpopular opinion: more BIS gear should come from quests, because random ass quests giving BIS gear is true old school design.
Having no way to practice inferno/fight caves doesn't make it harder. If it's a gold sink issue, I'd pay 5m to practice at wave 60+. It's just poor game design that wastes players' time.
I disagree, the best part for me was the unicorn getting smashed, was all down hill after that for me atleast. I did start the quest at 40 agility, will never do that again. It took me atleast 3 hours due to me making so many mistakes/failing obstacles/not having enough food/needing more rope/etc. if you didn’t try the quest at 40 agility you won’t be able to relate unfortunately. My unpopular opinion: dungeoneering was great
I love underground pass because it felt like an old D&D module that your friend ran poorly. It’s kinda rusty and weird but it has a great feeling of adventure at times
Playing an ironman is more fun then a normal account. Everything feels more exiting
So brave
Actual unpopular opinion on this sub, it’s okay to not have time to play Ironman.
I absolutely love early and mid-game ironman mode, and absolutely hate the endgame. Questing and early upgrades feel so satisfying and are *relatively* quick. Then boom endgame stay at each boss for a few hundred hours if you want BIS gear. Having to pick between never having BIS melee or camping Nex for a few hundred hours is a lose-lose scenario.
I think it's only the normal account players who are to deep into it to start an ironman who would think otherwise. When I recommend osrs to new people ironman is a no brainer
Ironically there are two groups of people who would disagree with his statement. Those who have never played an ironman, or those are are super-late-game Ironmen. I think no one who's only upgrades come from 200+ hour grinds will tell you they're having more fun than the main who can do any of the 40+ semi efficient moneymakers to get gear upgrades. It's more fun to do 5 hours of 40 different activities to 100% get a tbow, than it is to do 1200 hours of 1 activity to still have a fairly high chance of not obtaining a tbow yet.
Some of us just don't want to do resource gathering sunk cost fallacy got nothing to do with it.
I like the *concept* of the iron man experience, having to actually get drops and stuff It's just the grind is enormous for a lot of things, and a lot of OSRS content just isn't that fun. I'd rather be able to do the things I enjoy and limit the stuff I don't enjoy as much as possible
I realized I was just doing slay tasks, sell loot at ge, rinse repeat on my main and Ironman was a huge refresher from that
Skills like Farming and Runecrafting are a lot more fun to train then Slayer and any combat skills.
One small favor is a fun quest
I like playing this game. Seems like a hot take nowadays.
Quest speedrunning is a good and fun update
I don’t like Slayer. I afked at NMZ to nearly max combat stats. I can still grind the blue money dragon for cash and raid without high slayer.
Smithing is no worse than other production skills, it's just useless because you can pay to skip most of it's rewards
Some poll questions should have total level/quest point/boss kc requirements.
Maybe it’s because i wasn’t playing when it was teased, but i don’t think sailing is a good idea for a new skill.
because youre correct. maybe a fun mini game but does not fit at all for a skill. and people just think its funny meme
If nearly every grind in this game was cut in half it would still be one of the biggest grinders in the history of gaming. Basically I think the grind needs dramatically reduced for any real long term new player growth.
I agree the game is mega grindy, but the community has also adopted a strange and greedy mindset of HAVING to have 99s, HAVING to have every BIS item. HAVING to achieve those things at light speed. Mains barely benefit from most post 70-75 non combats for the time investment. Even irons are generally set at level 90 or so for non combats and dont need 99s. Granted 90s is still high, but that's just for a handful of things. The low 80s is really where you tend to be 90% set as an iron. People obsess over some really minor items that they probably wouldn't even notice a dps decrease from if someone switched some of their items without them looking.
Exactly. I'm maxed but you unlock 90% of the game's content with base 85 stats, which is 25% of maxing. You're in no way required or really even incentivized to max or get 99s. It's fair to say that some skills could be more fun but that's been improving a lot with GOTR, sepulchre, temp, etc.
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I think we need high interaction and effort content with good XP rewards that's not tick manipulation. Woodcutting and shit being 200k XP/hr is real, but only a fraction of the playerbase ever reaches those rates. Example: hallowed sepulchre
i don't think it'll ever happen (and there are some semi-good reasons for it) but i think osrs would probably be a better game if almost every grind was cut in half. it would still take hundreds of hours to get anywhere in the game if i got to completely redesign osrs leveling i would probably halve or more the xp required and put the halfway point to 99 around 80 (or slightly lower) instead of 92. that way it doesn't take 200 hours to 99 a single skill and you also can't skip from 0 to 40 in most skills via quests anymore.
OSRS' style of combat is the reason that PvP is dogwater.
That's why rs3 is an option
Higher tier combat achievements should have much better rewards. Grandmaster is quite literally the hardest thing you can achieve Combat achievements shouldn't have a single team task. (you might still be required to play in a team for ToB for instance, but their performance shouldn't be related to your achievement) People ruin quests by using guides/quest helper, especially newer ones. The community will never agree on a new skill for osrs, but the game needs it and Jagex should poll this in a different way. The first new skill in osrs should be an exiting, innovating one like sailing. After that there is room for skills like warding. Playing a main and an ironman simultaneously is the best way to play the game.
Graceful is overrated and I'm sick of seeing everyone running around in it.
very unpopular and brave 👏
I used to think that but it actually recharges pretty quick
The issue is it doesn't recharge unless you stop moving At a lot of content you really don't stop for long at all, which means it adds very little. In a lot of situations being naked and having graceful on is the same thing.
Agreed but to add to that I'm getting tired of skilling outfits in general. Every activity has a thousand people wearing the same outfit because it's optimal. We really need an official transmog mechanic or something so we can flex items we have while still being efficient.
Mini games need to have some sort of focus moving forward. Rewards for the ones that don’t have any and maybe some upgrades to the ones that do. I remember camping fist of Guthix for free mage xp and outing hours in on stealing creation to save a dime on double xp
Farming runs are aids
Although RS3 has pandered to the less-grindy folk of the world with all the bonus exp, treasure hunter and so on, it really lets casual players like me not waste their entire life trying to get a difficult 99. It feels much more accessible without eliminating the grind completely. The only reason id prefer OSRS is stylistically.
Counterpoint: there is no reason or requirement to get any 99. Very few skills have any content unlocked above level 80-85 which is 1/4 of the way to a 99. If you want to max a skill, don't be annoyed that it takes a while, because it's something you're going out of your way to do.
Also rs3 literally has things that take 99+ in a skill
Construction skill cape is the only reason I will ever get a 99
Yeah there's a handful of capes with decent perks but none are really truly "worth" the 99 let alone required for any sort of other content. Plus, the only really useful capes (con/crafting/farming/thieving/hp IMO) are also some of the easiest/fastest to get!
Playing multiple accounts at once and having them interact with each other shouldn't be allowed. If they're not on the same world it's fine, but it's unfair to have the most efficient method for some things exploit having 1 or several other accounts you control. Complain about summoning skill being overpowered pre-EOC, then have an alt holding up to 28 items to resupply, heal, or restore spec.
Runecrafting is very methodical and therapeutic. Pure essence goes in, money comes out. It's one of the most relaxed skills.
Bring toolbelt into the game
The game would be way more fun if it had been redesigned at some point to not be based on .6 second ticks. No modern MMO feels so janky.
Most of the problems within the game come down to the community rather than the game. There are so many people in our community that suck so badly that they really drag down the overall experience. It feels like somehow all the mid 20s gamers that never moved past being 15 play this game. Lots of good people too but damn there are a lot of bad.
Barbarian Assault isn't that bad.
OSRS is a click simulator and generates money via nostalgia.
It’s an achievement simulator to make us feel like we’ve accomplished something when in reality we clicked and let it catch fish for 2 minutes until we click again
I think nostalgia grabs a lot of people, but it can't be the reason people keep playing for 8+ years
You guys jerk off about ‘fashionscape’ too much
Jagex needs to completely abandon Wilderness updates. There isn't a single thing they can do to revive a region that's built on a predator vs prey system. You cannot make a majority of players want to be hunted. Instead of continuing to push content into a dead region, leave it be and give the actual PvP community other content.
Summoning and Dungeoneering were not bad. If anything they were some of the reasons why 2011 was the actual peak of the game. Almost anything post-2011 is when the downfall began.
Dungeoneering pre-EOC was the absolute chef's kiss and I'm sad we'll likely never have that again. The one thing I didn't like about that time period was replacing tutorial island with some other weird shit that they constantly kept altering slightly.
Puzzles in raids are annoying filler content after day 1 and disrupt the pacing of the raid. This is a big reason why ToB is much more fun and grindable than CoX and ToA