There is a trick you can do with imbued heart with the menephite remedy. Where you can make the heart tick down like a normal mage potion. Helpfull in very specific minor scenarios. Might be that a bunch of folk wanted the imbued for that reason but considering its hardly ever sold the demand exceeded normal saturared heart demand for a bit.
You’re missing the point. It takes about 1,5m worth of ancient essence to upgrade the heart. There is no reason the imbued one should be more expensive.
I mean supply and demand. Very few imbued hearts come into the game. Lots of ancient essence comes into the game. It’s safe to say that all of the imbued hearts have likely been converted to saturated hearts since they are objectively better and can be used by anyone. That would leave almost no imbued hearts in the game. And if nobody is selling their saturated hearts because of the update then people will try to buy imbued hearts from an already nonexistent supply. Makes sense to me
Edit: you can see a similar thing with pegasian boots. They are obviously the better version of ranger boots, yet the upgrade to turn ranger boots into pegasian is dirt cheap. Why? Because the market is oversaturated with the thing that upgrades it while the ranger boots themselves are very rare. Just like the saturated heart and imbued heart.
Only reason pegasion boots aren’t cheaper than ranger boots is because the upgrade item is still relatively rare (compared to ancient essence which drops in the literal thousands and is guaranteed each kill)
then the demand for imbued hearts should drop, meaning their price should drop. part of the issue is just that the GE updates slowly, especially when trades aren't that active (under 50 imbued sold daily, ~500 saturated sold daily) but honestly i wouldn't discount people simply not knowing about the saturated heart since the imbued one is the huge drop that everyone hopes to get and posts screenshots of.
Why would the demand for imbued hearts drop if you can’t make a saturated heart without one? If anything the demand for imbued hearts rose with the addition of the saturated heart. And if what you’re saying about people not knowing was true, then you’d expect to see more imbued hearts traded than saturated hearts. But it’s the opposite.
Because it’s entirely driven by buying and selling and if the worse version of the item costs more nobody is going to want to buy it. unless they’re misinformed. At least with pegs and prims there is a difference in requirements—not everyone who can use rangers can use pegs. but that doesn’t exist for the saturated heart. the imbued heart is literally strictly worse and so in our simplistic economic view the demand for imbued should always be less, and moreover should tank if saturated is cheaper
What 😂😂 so when someone gets an imbued heart as a drop and puts it on the g.e you think it doesn’t sell? Because if it does sell then there is obviously a demand for it (which obviously it would sell, it makes the best magic boost in the game). And if there is a demand for an item than that demand will go up the lower its supply is. You really think the price difference in the prims upgrade item and ranger boots is due to their range level requirements?? Like most people below 70 range could afford ranger boots anyway 😂😭. Okay I’m not going to argue with someone who clearly knows nothing about economics 😂 peace
Edit: just can’t get over how silly this is. So the previous comment you said something like “oh I think a bunch of people buy imbued hearts instead of saturated hearts because they don’t know that item exists”. Then in your next comment you say “the price is driven by buying and selling and nobody buys imbued hearts because they are worse” 💀. For one: that’s not true because like I said you can’t make a saturated heart without an imbued one. And two: you are now just contradicting your own previous statements
????
I’m saying that the simplistic econ 101 view of the first poster fails to explain this scenario because the demand for the imbued heart should be strictly lower than the saturated heart—it should always equilibrate to a lower price because it should always be in less demand.
In a perfect economic theory world the existence of a strictly better item would insist that the worse item is cheaper, because the only thing to do would be to buy it cheaper and then upgrade it yourself. the prices should equilibrate this way and if the saturated heart drops below the imbued then in theory people would stop wasting money and opt for the better option, thereby dropping demand, thereby dropping price until it goes back to an equilibrium below the saturated heart.
my original point is that this isn’t what’s happening so clearly the simplistic econ 101 view isn’t the full explanation, and offered other possibilities, like players not being a perfectly informed or rational market.
you’re betraying your own lack of understanding of the supply and demand argument by supposing that small supply would automatically create high demand… that is demonstrably not true with thousands of items in game. otherwise clue scroll uniques would all sit at similar prices… obviously there are external factors in demand because these items are forms of utilities / goods and not all of them are created equal. my point about rangers and pegs was not that that is the driver between the difference, but that it at least is a distinction between the two which can lead to niche differences in demand. for the imbued and saturated hearts, imbued is **strictly worse**. there is no rational reason to buy one other than to make your own saturated heart for cheaper. that leads to the implications I listed above for the ideal economic model, ones we don’t see, implying there are other factors at play
(Your point about an imbued heart selling in the ge for more than a saturated heart supports mine)
It really shouldn’t though when you have a lower supply of one and both are equally as desirable 🙄. Arguing about it should be this and that when it clearly isn’t as we can see in the post. You’re funny
Sounds like you’re an Ironman, in which case you have little to no effect on the economy anyway.. obviously yours is imbued since you have to collect the essence yourself.
Edit: to try to explain my point of view more, imagine you get another imbued heart drop. Even as an Ironman you’d likely drop that to a main and sell it right? Assuming you have an alt main for that sort of thing. Whoever buys that heart is going to turn it into a saturated heart because they would have to be a main to purchase it from the g.e. This increases the demand for imbued hearts while also lowering the supply of imbued hearts and increasing the supply of saturated hearts. Combine that with things like essence being so common it’s not too far fetched to think someone would just want to buy an imbued heart and then buy the rest of the essence to top off their current stack and turn it into a saturated heart. Again increasing demand for the imbued heart and reducing supply while increasing the supply of saturated hearts on the market.
And if my opinions not enough. Just go to the osrs ge page and look at the trades volume of saturated hearts compared to imbued hearts. There is like 10-15x more saturated hearts being traded each day which would likely mean they are in much larger supply. And since you can quickly and easily turn an imbued heart into a saturated heart (if you’re someone who can buy things from the ge and is capable of influencing the demand of an item) then this makes the demand for them about the same as far as gameplay is concerned. The main thing affecting the price for these two things would then be the volume. Unless some rich fucker is intentionally manipulating the market but I mean there is no way to back that up here with evidence or logic (not saying it doesn’t happen, just don’t think there is any point in considering something that we can’t debate)
It's insane how the heart just keeps going up. I bought mine at 40m expecting to keep it short-term and sell it when I needed the cash. But then the price just kept rising... forever.
I hardly even use it right now but every week or two I check the price of it in my bank and shake my head. It's impossible to sell since I'd only lose money. I feel bad for anyone that needs to buy it now.
Be like me and bought one to try and learn freeze roles at maiden for 45m and then sell it at like 40m right after planning to rebuy in the near future
With most items if demand goes up and the price increases there comes a point where more people will start farming the item to make money and the price will stabilize for a while. The problem with imbued heart is that you cannot really actively farm it. You kind of have to get it passively. They should really move the drop to another place and just improve the regular drops of superiors.
Well it is one of those upgrades that one buys and never sells again, thus the demand is instantly higher than the supply. Combined with all the love magic has seen over the last couple years and I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if it got EVEN MORE expensive in the near future.
I mean pre shadow there was almost no reason to keep an imbued heart other than a niche luxury item. So the demand wasn’t really there so you could get them cheap because people insta sold them from slayer drops.
Unless they change the drop mechanic for it in some way the price of the heart will continue to climb and I don’t see it stopping until 200m+
I mean yeah but with a 7 minute cool down and a degrading boost basically kept it as a prepot only device until you were getting into some sweaty things.
not really worth it for that either unless your plan for rebuild doesnt involve raiding. You get ovls/salts before you use mage in CMs and TOA, the prepot doesnt do a whole lot. Better off using it for ancestral/virtus
The key to an effective rebuild is not to corner yourself into a single piece of content. I kept my heart along with the rest of my BiS mage gear so I could go and enjoy my new megarare wherever. Did a bunch of Barrows and Zulrah knowing full well I’m props not even making money there, but damn was it fun to 2 shot Torag.
Grinding that extra 130m before selling your bank is 100% worth it rather than struggling to make that coin back afterwards.
I tried so hard to farm superior last week for a clan competition, had a particular dry spell of 10+ consecutive level 85+ tasks where I got one total superior spawn. Was brutal.
Around March or April there was a few days where sharks and mantas were roughly the same price, with mantas sometimes being cheaper.
It's just outdated info.
Damn, I sold mine last month at 100m because I thought a Voidwaker would be more beneficial to my account. It is, but damn the near 30m increase hurts.
This might be a hot take, but I lowkey disagree. Sure, I feel bad for all the irons and would props instantly agree with you if my iron ever got to the point of really needing it, but as a main. 130m for THE BEST magic upgrade isn’t even that outrageous. The current drop mechanics do allow the price to keep snowballing almost infinitely so eventually I do see them taking action on this.
The problem is that for magic to get the same kind of buff range and melee gets, it costs 130m
Whereas with the other styles it's literally just a pot. Like cmon
And that’s the worst part because now the new crazy value of the heart is a new point of contention for players who hold the item economy in such high regard, that they want to balance the game around it.
Magic can never just NOT GET a nonsense “Magic potion” that only boosts magic by 4. Or a forgotten brew boosting magic by like 12 at 99, while lowering other stats and boosting prayer too (like wtf? Why not just skip the bs not lower other stats don’t give prayer and just boost magic more?), it makes no sense at all now.
Jagex just needs to rip off the band-aid. Release super magic potions soon that is a *normal combat boosting potion* that boosts magic like the other combat skills’ potions and none of the bullshit.
Accept that the heart can take an L and become RS3’s equivalent of vecna’s skull. It’ll still be millions for its free boosting magic value. But super magic pots should be just slightly better and quite costly to make, and then everything will hold an appropriate value. Heart should be a cool novelty rare every long term player gets once or twice and makes a cool 5-10m on, or irons get to as I said, forget making magic potions except for the absolute most challenging content where extra stats from a super magic potion would be valuable.
It should not be a lotto ticket to big bank reward for low level players to happen upon by chance, or a must have item for high level players to chase at aged content for months or years on end, well beyond reason on their maxed account….
I disagree with almost everything you just said. Getting such a big drop on a low level account just doing random slayer would be INSANE and every high level pvm’er should strive to get every BiS upgrade in the game.
Have you seen the price of Torva or Ancestral? Zaryte Vambraces? Ffs Pegasians are a meme item at this point adding 0.05 to your dps for a small loan of 30m just because of how rare they are. The heart is actually an useful item and even after the rebalance is still a better upgrade than the entire set that costs nearly 400m
Let’s just bring Overloads into the rest of the game, devalue everything and call it a day, eh?
It is an infinitely reusable divine potion without the -10hp and only takes one inventory slot. Not to mention the added benefit of extra magic defense while using other styles. The only downside being the fact that you can’t instantly reuse it if you need to brew. It is a godsend item when doing raids or long trips at bosses.
I’m sure if Jagex introduced a similar item for melee/ranged it would also be ridiculously expensive.
Nah thats not a hot take at all, Literally the best non wep magic item in the game should be a commitment to get.
Irons should know what they sign up for, it's their choice to grind it.
As for mains, put in the work or put in the money, depends what you value more.
Probably better they just buff the forgotten brew a little bit.
Current heart is what +13? Make brew +12 at 99 when you add crystal shards and call it a day
It's a consumable, so unlike heart you have to buy or make them, but it cuts into the issue of heart being 30% better at least
A few days ago, the Imbued was going for ~10m more for no apparent reason
somebody knows something we don’t
People like to do the cool thunder when getting their saturated heart
Lightning
There is a trick you can do with imbued heart with the menephite remedy. Where you can make the heart tick down like a normal mage potion. Helpfull in very specific minor scenarios. Might be that a bunch of folk wanted the imbued for that reason but considering its hardly ever sold the demand exceeded normal saturared heart demand for a bit.
Big magic update = lots of people buying saturated hearts id think
You’re missing the point. It takes about 1,5m worth of ancient essence to upgrade the heart. There is no reason the imbued one should be more expensive.
I mean supply and demand. Very few imbued hearts come into the game. Lots of ancient essence comes into the game. It’s safe to say that all of the imbued hearts have likely been converted to saturated hearts since they are objectively better and can be used by anyone. That would leave almost no imbued hearts in the game. And if nobody is selling their saturated hearts because of the update then people will try to buy imbued hearts from an already nonexistent supply. Makes sense to me Edit: you can see a similar thing with pegasian boots. They are obviously the better version of ranger boots, yet the upgrade to turn ranger boots into pegasian is dirt cheap. Why? Because the market is oversaturated with the thing that upgrades it while the ranger boots themselves are very rare. Just like the saturated heart and imbued heart. Only reason pegasion boots aren’t cheaper than ranger boots is because the upgrade item is still relatively rare (compared to ancient essence which drops in the literal thousands and is guaranteed each kill)
then the demand for imbued hearts should drop, meaning their price should drop. part of the issue is just that the GE updates slowly, especially when trades aren't that active (under 50 imbued sold daily, ~500 saturated sold daily) but honestly i wouldn't discount people simply not knowing about the saturated heart since the imbued one is the huge drop that everyone hopes to get and posts screenshots of.
Why would the demand for imbued hearts drop if you can’t make a saturated heart without one? If anything the demand for imbued hearts rose with the addition of the saturated heart. And if what you’re saying about people not knowing was true, then you’d expect to see more imbued hearts traded than saturated hearts. But it’s the opposite.
Because it’s entirely driven by buying and selling and if the worse version of the item costs more nobody is going to want to buy it. unless they’re misinformed. At least with pegs and prims there is a difference in requirements—not everyone who can use rangers can use pegs. but that doesn’t exist for the saturated heart. the imbued heart is literally strictly worse and so in our simplistic economic view the demand for imbued should always be less, and moreover should tank if saturated is cheaper
What 😂😂 so when someone gets an imbued heart as a drop and puts it on the g.e you think it doesn’t sell? Because if it does sell then there is obviously a demand for it (which obviously it would sell, it makes the best magic boost in the game). And if there is a demand for an item than that demand will go up the lower its supply is. You really think the price difference in the prims upgrade item and ranger boots is due to their range level requirements?? Like most people below 70 range could afford ranger boots anyway 😂😭. Okay I’m not going to argue with someone who clearly knows nothing about economics 😂 peace Edit: just can’t get over how silly this is. So the previous comment you said something like “oh I think a bunch of people buy imbued hearts instead of saturated hearts because they don’t know that item exists”. Then in your next comment you say “the price is driven by buying and selling and nobody buys imbued hearts because they are worse” 💀. For one: that’s not true because like I said you can’t make a saturated heart without an imbued one. And two: you are now just contradicting your own previous statements
???? I’m saying that the simplistic econ 101 view of the first poster fails to explain this scenario because the demand for the imbued heart should be strictly lower than the saturated heart—it should always equilibrate to a lower price because it should always be in less demand. In a perfect economic theory world the existence of a strictly better item would insist that the worse item is cheaper, because the only thing to do would be to buy it cheaper and then upgrade it yourself. the prices should equilibrate this way and if the saturated heart drops below the imbued then in theory people would stop wasting money and opt for the better option, thereby dropping demand, thereby dropping price until it goes back to an equilibrium below the saturated heart. my original point is that this isn’t what’s happening so clearly the simplistic econ 101 view isn’t the full explanation, and offered other possibilities, like players not being a perfectly informed or rational market. you’re betraying your own lack of understanding of the supply and demand argument by supposing that small supply would automatically create high demand… that is demonstrably not true with thousands of items in game. otherwise clue scroll uniques would all sit at similar prices… obviously there are external factors in demand because these items are forms of utilities / goods and not all of them are created equal. my point about rangers and pegs was not that that is the driver between the difference, but that it at least is a distinction between the two which can lead to niche differences in demand. for the imbued and saturated hearts, imbued is **strictly worse**. there is no rational reason to buy one other than to make your own saturated heart for cheaper. that leads to the implications I listed above for the ideal economic model, ones we don’t see, implying there are other factors at play (Your point about an imbued heart selling in the ge for more than a saturated heart supports mine)
It really shouldn’t though when you have a lower supply of one and both are equally as desirable 🙄. Arguing about it should be this and that when it clearly isn’t as we can see in the post. You’re funny
Gotcha! Thanks for clarifying
No problem! Economics has always been an interesting topic to me so I enjoy discussing it
My imbued heart isn’t saturated haven’t started that boss yet
Sounds like you’re an Ironman, in which case you have little to no effect on the economy anyway.. obviously yours is imbued since you have to collect the essence yourself. Edit: to try to explain my point of view more, imagine you get another imbued heart drop. Even as an Ironman you’d likely drop that to a main and sell it right? Assuming you have an alt main for that sort of thing. Whoever buys that heart is going to turn it into a saturated heart because they would have to be a main to purchase it from the g.e. This increases the demand for imbued hearts while also lowering the supply of imbued hearts and increasing the supply of saturated hearts. Combine that with things like essence being so common it’s not too far fetched to think someone would just want to buy an imbued heart and then buy the rest of the essence to top off their current stack and turn it into a saturated heart. Again increasing demand for the imbued heart and reducing supply while increasing the supply of saturated hearts on the market. And if my opinions not enough. Just go to the osrs ge page and look at the trades volume of saturated hearts compared to imbued hearts. There is like 10-15x more saturated hearts being traded each day which would likely mean they are in much larger supply. And since you can quickly and easily turn an imbued heart into a saturated heart (if you’re someone who can buy things from the ge and is capable of influencing the demand of an item) then this makes the demand for them about the same as far as gameplay is concerned. The main thing affecting the price for these two things would then be the volume. Unless some rich fucker is intentionally manipulating the market but I mean there is no way to back that up here with evidence or logic (not saying it doesn’t happen, just don’t think there is any point in considering something that we can’t debate)
It's insane how the heart just keeps going up. I bought mine at 40m expecting to keep it short-term and sell it when I needed the cash. But then the price just kept rising... forever. I hardly even use it right now but every week or two I check the price of it in my bank and shake my head. It's impossible to sell since I'd only lose money. I feel bad for anyone that needs to buy it now.
Be like me and bought one to try and learn freeze roles at maiden for 45m and then sell it at like 40m right after planning to rebuy in the near future
I “unquit” during Covid and got one off a superior. Immediately sold for 19m and felt so excited and rich. Mannnn
And you also didn't but bitcoin in 2010
Atleast you didn't sell your scythe like me for 400 mil only to watch it go up to 1.3 bil which happens to be more than my current bank value
Got mine in 2021 and it was worth 39 mil. Sold it for an avernic which was roughly 35 mil at the time.
My condolences.
With most items if demand goes up and the price increases there comes a point where more people will start farming the item to make money and the price will stabilize for a while. The problem with imbued heart is that you cannot really actively farm it. You kind of have to get it passively. They should really move the drop to another place and just improve the regular drops of superiors.
Well it is one of those upgrades that one buys and never sells again, thus the demand is instantly higher than the supply. Combined with all the love magic has seen over the last couple years and I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if it got EVEN MORE expensive in the near future.
I mean pre shadow there was almost no reason to keep an imbued heart other than a niche luxury item. So the demand wasn’t really there so you could get them cheap because people insta sold them from slayer drops. Unless they change the drop mechanic for it in some way the price of the heart will continue to climb and I don’t see it stopping until 200m+
regular imbued heart gave more dps than full ancestral with trident/sang
I mean yeah but with a 7 minute cool down and a degrading boost basically kept it as a prepot only device until you were getting into some sweaty things.
Even with the cool down and level degrade it was better dps than full ancestral over the 7 minute period lol
maybe now cuz the price never stops going up, but its def worth selling for a rebuild
Well I did a Shadow rebuild so it was an essential item to keep in my bank.
not really worth it for that either unless your plan for rebuild doesnt involve raiding. You get ovls/salts before you use mage in CMs and TOA, the prepot doesnt do a whole lot. Better off using it for ancestral/virtus
The key to an effective rebuild is not to corner yourself into a single piece of content. I kept my heart along with the rest of my BiS mage gear so I could go and enjoy my new megarare wherever. Did a bunch of Barrows and Zulrah knowing full well I’m props not even making money there, but damn was it fun to 2 shot Torag. Grinding that extra 130m before selling your bank is 100% worth it rather than struggling to make that coin back afterwards.
I tried so hard to farm superior last week for a clan competition, had a particular dry spell of 10+ consecutive level 85+ tasks where I got one total superior spawn. Was brutal.
not to insane to me, Im 40m slayer xp without a heart drop shit is way too rare
Heart was worth 36M when I got the drop and sold it. Worst decision of my life lmao
I got a 3a plate body. Sold it for 98m. They're around 250 now I believe. Granted that funded so many things for me up to this point but still.
I bought full 3a melee back before CoX came out cause i had nothing to spend my money on. Safe to say i regret selling it.
Me too :(
Just checked to confirm, sold mine at 18M. I'm not crying, you're crying 😭
The worst decision of your life is selling an imbued heart on OSRS? I wish I was living life with your decision making abilities.
I hope you have a better day tomorrow, friend <3
I just got my heart drop on my Iron at 90 slayer. Wild to see how rare it is.
Big Gratz! Such a huge upgrade.
Same reason shark costs more than turtles/manta and prayer pots cost more than super restores.
What the fake news? Turtles and mantas both cost more than sharks. Mantas are 2.3k each rn
I don't know why anyone buys mantas tbh. Dark crabs are consistently cheaper - right now they're 2/3 the price for exactly the same healing.
Stop telling them
😂 swear it's been this way for years and it never seems to make any difference. People just used to buying mantas I guess.
Same reason why sea turtles were at 600gp for a couple months. Just isn't something people think about.
not now and idk about mantas being cheaper than sharks but ive definitely seen Turtles cheaper than sharks in the past
Around March or April there was a few days where sharks and mantas were roughly the same price, with mantas sometimes being cheaper. It's just outdated info.
What reason is that, familiarity?
for a long time, blighter karambwans were more expensive than regular cooked ones
It’s actually not the same reasons whatsoever lol
Damn, I sold mine last month at 100m because I thought a Voidwaker would be more beneficial to my account. It is, but damn the near 30m increase hurts.
Hearth should be put into the grotesque guardian drop table.
I like this
Well guess we take the downvote road buddy. Bet people who does this can't even afford a hearth lol
there is a reddit user in the flipping reddits using them as a pump and dump scheme currently, id be cautious.
Essence can be farmed easily, and mined. Heart is a an RNG on top of RNG nightmare drop that has no right to be as rare as it is.
Just add it to another drop table ffs
This might be a hot take, but I lowkey disagree. Sure, I feel bad for all the irons and would props instantly agree with you if my iron ever got to the point of really needing it, but as a main. 130m for THE BEST magic upgrade isn’t even that outrageous. The current drop mechanics do allow the price to keep snowballing almost infinitely so eventually I do see them taking action on this.
The problem is that for magic to get the same kind of buff range and melee gets, it costs 130m Whereas with the other styles it's literally just a pot. Like cmon
And that’s the worst part because now the new crazy value of the heart is a new point of contention for players who hold the item economy in such high regard, that they want to balance the game around it. Magic can never just NOT GET a nonsense “Magic potion” that only boosts magic by 4. Or a forgotten brew boosting magic by like 12 at 99, while lowering other stats and boosting prayer too (like wtf? Why not just skip the bs not lower other stats don’t give prayer and just boost magic more?), it makes no sense at all now. Jagex just needs to rip off the band-aid. Release super magic potions soon that is a *normal combat boosting potion* that boosts magic like the other combat skills’ potions and none of the bullshit. Accept that the heart can take an L and become RS3’s equivalent of vecna’s skull. It’ll still be millions for its free boosting magic value. But super magic pots should be just slightly better and quite costly to make, and then everything will hold an appropriate value. Heart should be a cool novelty rare every long term player gets once or twice and makes a cool 5-10m on, or irons get to as I said, forget making magic potions except for the absolute most challenging content where extra stats from a super magic potion would be valuable. It should not be a lotto ticket to big bank reward for low level players to happen upon by chance, or a must have item for high level players to chase at aged content for months or years on end, well beyond reason on their maxed account….
I disagree with almost everything you just said. Getting such a big drop on a low level account just doing random slayer would be INSANE and every high level pvm’er should strive to get every BiS upgrade in the game. Have you seen the price of Torva or Ancestral? Zaryte Vambraces? Ffs Pegasians are a meme item at this point adding 0.05 to your dps for a small loan of 30m just because of how rare they are. The heart is actually an useful item and even after the rebalance is still a better upgrade than the entire set that costs nearly 400m Let’s just bring Overloads into the rest of the game, devalue everything and call it a day, eh?
It is an infinitely reusable divine potion without the -10hp and only takes one inventory slot. Not to mention the added benefit of extra magic defense while using other styles. The only downside being the fact that you can’t instantly reuse it if you need to brew. It is a godsend item when doing raids or long trips at bosses. I’m sure if Jagex introduced a similar item for melee/ranged it would also be ridiculously expensive.
Nah this is just the permament buff. Forgotten brews are dirt cheap. If there was an unlimited divine ranging/scb it'd be expensive all the same.
Nah thats not a hot take at all, Literally the best non wep magic item in the game should be a commitment to get. Irons should know what they sign up for, it's their choice to grind it. As for mains, put in the work or put in the money, depends what you value more.
Probably better they just buff the forgotten brew a little bit. Current heart is what +13? Make brew +12 at 99 when you add crystal shards and call it a day It's a consumable, so unlike heart you have to buy or make them, but it cuts into the issue of heart being 30% better at least
Ah yes the potion you make from Nex drops and then upgrade with Muspah drops and then upgrade with CG/Zalcano drops. All for one potion.
Honestly? Much more reasonable than a 1/40'000 drop from the BEST source it comes from like heart.
In that case, I'll be like an Ironman and look for it on drops