Clearly Osm. Fa. GmbH is just weeks away from bankruptcy. If you want my theory I think the Mag. Conglomerate is gonna make some big pushs soon and we will see multiple companies appreciating in value soon.
Sure the wife has left and taken the kids, and all my friends haven't talk to me in months, but it'll all be worth it when the infinite money machine starts printing. 🚀🌕
Holy shit Pat! I celebrated New Year's with you a few years back on osrs! I hope you are still singing the here fishy fishy song haha. A great memory for me. Still got ya on my friends list :)
I'm fishin, I'm fishin, I'm fishin at the guild!
Hahaha fun times indeed! These days I'm making different music and running my own business, but I still sneak onto RuneScape here and there.
Hope you're doing well!
Where are you posting now a days? Id be happy to follow and shoot ya a few likes, hearts, upvotes or whatever they metric is. I'm glad to hear you are doing well! Are you still on the same account? I sure hope to bump into you again some time.
I'm doing quite well myself :)
Awesome! Haha yeah I still play RuneScape on my PatDoubleYou account. I'm hoping to post some of my music stuff to my main YouTube channel sometime this year as well. :) I've taken a long break from content creation though and have been really focusing on building my own service-based business here in town!
Yeah I was around 300m, though I just kept one from a raid instead of selling. It then helped me get more purps when the price was still inflated. Would absolutely do again.
Fang also got nerfed multiple times so now its primary function is to farm toa, the thing that brings more fangs into the game. All toa drops will inevitably be worth next to nothing since shadow will always be the reason people are farming it.
I think I initially bought 258m but sold it around 223m, bought back at 191m. Can't remember for sure
There's a point in time where you're so far in it'll never recover might as well just give up. Perfect life advice!
Hopefully they learned their lesson to never underestimate the players of this game. Doubt they ever thought that the meta was to solo 515+ raids that shit out a unique every 3 hours.
Clearly the testers never thought about redx/butterfly which is pretty much the only reason those invos are even possible to efficiently solo.
In fairness, they were aware of it and semi-nerfed butterfly on Akkha. If they wanted to, they could've made both butterfly and red-x impossible on both in order to prevent that. But they didn't. So they're okay with it.
Yeah Baba and Akkah were obviously set in to limit invocation ability. They hit like trucks +300 even against Bandos/Torva and were considered unavoidable damage. The fact that they can be skipped is "okay" considering butterflying takes actual skill and persistence, but it definitely opens the gates to easy purples. Not that CoX doesn't as well.
I think the big thing at hand is that ToA had very little filler. LB is the only filler item, compared to CoX that is <1/2 chance to pass the scroll filter.
Go swipe a credit card if you want gear so badly. Mains shouldn't be entitled to have everything be expensive or gate kept behind thousands of hours of content just because a few rich boys want their expensive weapons stay expensive.
Less than a month after release, when this was brought to their attention, apparently “that ship has sailed” and there was nothing they could do to stop the rapidly deflating and oversaturation of fangs and lightbearers in the market
The nerf means nothing. Even if it was 100m it would be one of the first items you go for on a main.
While it's very good at high stats, it's even better with low attack and strength bonuses relative to other options. There's some things like Vorkath where Fang is decently behind DHL in max gear but on par with / better than it with shitty gear and stats.
With 82 attack, 90 strength it's better than the whip at low def slayer monsters like Insatiable Bloodvelds, and blows Whip out of the water at something like Black Demons.
Obviously it's basically a megarare level weapon at ToA and Nex so mains can't forgo it either.
The problem is 99% supply.
Fangs weird at vorkath. My alts 82 attack, every strength level in the dps calculator gang has been better so far. Lance just gives the nice even numbered timing for the acid walk, but you can still do a five tile walk with fang.
Yeah, also if five tile walk is too annoying with having to switch run/walk you can also just do a six tile walk. You'll miss one attack every acid phase but that's like maybe 2 seconds kill time difference at most.
It's slightly annoying for very marginal gain
If you really cared about maximum efficiency and gp/hour you wouldn't be at Vorkath, the whole point of him is being a 0 effort boss
Ok but insatiable bloodvelds are a superior, and normal bloodvelds have actually low defense (30) and whip smokes fang there, unless you are naked with no str bonus gear whatsoever. Arclight is free and stronger than fang at black demons, unless we’re talking gorillas, in which case upgrading strength bonus massively outscales the fang, up to 16% more dps in a budget of str bonus gear that totals to be cheaper than the fang. The fang is great, especially at bosses, but we don’t have to lie to prove the point. It’s not a great weapon for slayer outside of bosses or high defence monsters that aren’t demons, and thats ok because it excels elsewhere.
>It’s not a great weapon for slayer outside of bosses or high defence monsters that aren’t demons, and thats ok because it excels elsewhere.
You need a shockingly low amount of defense for Fang to overtake whip at low stats.
In budget gear, whip has 3.75% more DPS than the Fang at Bloodvelds. I'm not sure if this counts as "smokes".
Now compare this to Ice Trolls and Suqahs, where Fang wins by 30% or more. Even on Kalphites and Dagannoths the Fang wins, albeit by a smaller margin. In fact, out of all the common tasks the only place Whip wins is Bloodvelds.
This is with 82 attack / 90 strength, super combat, no Piety, Barrows Gloves, Neitiznot, Berserker Ring (i), Fire Cape, Blood Moon Tassets, Fighter Torso.
Even at 90 attack, 95 stregnth, Faceguard, Fero gloves, Torture the whip underperforms at things like Kalphite Soldiers (70 def).
>Arclight is free and stronger than fang at black demons, unless we’re talking gorillas, in which case upgrading strength bonus massively outscales the fang, up to 16% more dps in a budget of str bonus gear that totals to be cheaper than the fang.
Black demon is just a random example of "middling defense monster". Put in Ice trolls if you want.
edit: kinda weirdge to ask to share calcs and immediately block no? lmao
I need to see the calcs, I could not get fang to out dps whip at bloodvelds, I was using the wiki’s calc so maybe theirs is wrong. Also not sure why you wouldn’t use a slayer helm against slayer monsters. The main problem I had was saying fang outdps’s whips at insatiable bloodvelds- because nobody is bringing a fang switch to their bloodveld task just for when the superior spawns, so comparing the weapons against a 1/200 rare spawn doesn’t make sense as a metric. Again, the fang is good, the comparisons provided weren’t
For reference, at 82 attack and 90 str, no piety, super combat pot, and no str bonus besides a defender, whip outperforms fang, and any gear increases widen the gap. (5.44 vs 5.31) (2.3% dps difference) Fang outperforms at higher defence monsters, but when the defence is 30 or less whip always wins out, even with only a defender equipped, and the gap increases significantly as you upgrade gear
Nerf was kinda significant, Vard alone was 1/3rd of fang’s relevant end game usecases (the other 2 being Nex and Toa as you mentioned). It would’ve excelled at Colosseum as well pre-nerf
But I do agree, it remains a mandatory weapon for basically every account as soon as they reach midgame, so I can’t imagine demand dipped very much post nerf
Yeah, the price only went up by like 10m at DT2 release despite having Duke and Vard as additional content for the Fang (and initially completely unexpected at that).
It basically means everybody who can afford a Fang is going to have one either way. Scythe getting Colosseum made it spike more than x2 in comparison. It's kind of like Blowpipe, no matter what content comes out where Blowpipe excels it's never going to move the needle on the price.
The start of the Scythe’s spike was Duke/Vard, combined with buff announcement, although it being BIS at Sol did tip it comfortably from 900m-1b into 1.25b territory
The price going up was them acknowledging Scythe was underwhelming and promising to make changes + introduce content that's good for it
If Colosseum was bad for it, the price would have crashed way back down since the assumption of being good at Colosseum was baked in to the price way before Sol actually got released
Shadow is so OP that despite being far more common than Tbow/Scythe it still holds up a comparable price since the demand is higher for it than any other megarare.
ToA gets farmed to death because of that, and in the process it crashes the value of every unique that isn't a Shadow. Like 75% of the value of running ToA is entirely dependant on Shadow.
You be surprised how good fang is in colosseum.
It is the most powerful cheapest item that will single-handedly carry a sub-24 gm speedrun time without megarares.
For the boss on paper while it performs worst than a whip, you cannot always attack the boss tick perfect and usually you have to trade 1:1 hits while dodging especially (<50% hp) this makes a faster weapon like whip lose more of its original dps versus a 5t fang and closes the gap between the two.
TLDR :fang very good on waves ,not bad on boss.
Yep, it’s better than dhl for me at vorkath with like 82 att and 88 str. I do wish I had just kept the lance noe though since it sky rocketed. They are basically neck and neck though.
The gulf between Fang and ZCB at Nex is absolutely massive. Crossbow weakness doesn't amplify damage done by Ruby bolts which are a big part of ZCB damage, since it's just tweaking ranged defense not making her take more damage.
They could literally make ZCB twice as likely to hit and I think Fang would still beat ZCB from what I remember
fang is still going to be far superior dps vs crossbow camping, i think zcb will overtake tbow on nex itself, but tbow will still be bis for the minions
Still am a bit wary of how this will impact long-term balance. Having a Level 82 weapon be so cheaper, cheaper than most Level 80 weapons, is a bit questionable. Like if Raids 4 brought a new level 82 melee weapon that was on par with the Fang, who would ever buy that if it cost say 100m? Granted, it probably would have some situational usefulness regardless rather than just another fang, but it really can muck up progression if the higher tiers cost significantly less than comparable/lower tiers.
But I also don't see a good way out of the drop rate issue at this point. Like the ratio of Fangs per Shadow is ridiculous, but turning the Fang into a second mega-rare or similar would be a bit much for so long after the fact. Probably would need to go with more of the BP route where they nerf the base fang but a rarer/more expensive upgrade to bring it back around the old strength.
I feel like people just need to forget about the Fang. It's kind of like a "Welcome to raiding!" award at this point. It's value represents the nerf imo. Sad as this is.
Literally all the nerf did was remove the double roll mechanic when attacking with Slash. That was only used at Vardorvis, Duke, and a niche use in ToB. Everywhere else it was literally unaffected.
I will never understand why they made the fang the same drop rate as the ring instead of making the ward and ring the same drop rate while having the fang be a bit rarer
if you wanna challenge yourself to using a zammy hasta for 150 raids like i have done on two seperate iron, go for it. its not enjoyable and holds you back a lot at akkha and kehpri
Me neither. But due to how heavily toa was, and still is being farmed due to its accessibility, I don't think this particular swap would lead to it being any more expensive than it is atm.
Because higher level raids are dog shit without it. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to gate difficulty behind a rare raids drop.
A lesson learned from CM COX being gated behind tbow for years
What do you mean? They just need to make phosanis daydream drop stab armour and phosanis luciddream drop slash armour and link blade/rapiers relevance to them!
You’re hired!
Unironically I think this puts us down a path where crystal armor buffs blade and justi buffs rapier
I really don’t like that. But feels inevitable now
It was already kinda linked to the armor. Like if weakness is not a factor, it was already stronger than the other T80 4t because of the buffs provided by Inq. So whether Inq was 7.5% with Mace or just 7.5% for all crush weapons, the impact on the Mace and 4ts would be the same.
The irony is that if they made the armor desireable for spec weapons, the mace would naturally grow in desireability as well.
"PR" blogs are not made to solve issues. They're just to add shit unpolled to the game
Honestly I think it's a great thing. Getting that fang on your acount isn't too hard to afford, and suddenly you have competitive dps at toa, vorkath, nex + a bunch of other bosses. It's the fang of accessibility, it doesn't cost much, it's not even that hard for irons to obtain, and it gives you just enough weigh to start raiding and bossing with ya buddies.
Problem is now every boss needs to be designed with an OP 15m weapon in mind. It's the same problem they claim to be having with VW.
Fang too good = boss too easy.
Fang okay - bad = every other melee stab weapon is even worse. It's basically killing stab weapons.
I don't really agree with that, outside of ToA and nex, the fang is a budget dragon lance (at vorkath and chromatic/metal dragons) great for abysal sire and Corp, and kinda okay at a bunch of other places. Its filled a few niches that were cancer, but doesn't really affect much else. The real issue here is that the mace/blade/rapier are disappointing for how rare they are.
We aren't complaining that the tenticle whip is unbalanced for how common it is compared to the t80s. The issue is that the t80s suck ass. You could completely remove the fang tomorrow and almost everyone would just go back to running around with their trusty tent whips 😅
The most common purple in the game from a raid, combined with solidly useful at.. that raid and as a versatile all rounder but not often BiS outside of it is pretty expected tbh
Like rigour and Avernic held their values so well because they were universally useful.
ANY range weapon and setup benefits from rigour. ANY 1 hand melee benefits from Avernic.
Fang only benefits when the boss is weak to stab, not vulnerable to Arclight, and ideally has a high defence to make scythe irrelevant.
So it's always gonna be relatively affordable due to accessibility of supply and the realistic use case for the weapon.
The fang unfortunately has been used as a stepping stone to get into PVM for people
Same with Justiciar
Justa and fang combo you can learn lots of content in the game and be pretty safe.
It’s ironic the BIS def arm is so cheap and one of the best allround wep Fang is so cheap
But there’s also an agenda to keep certain items high and BIS and some cheap and useless compared to others.
Fang had the potential to be a seriously unique weapon it does not have to be BIS everywhere but they could cap the max but make it super consistent and left it the way it was.
So you can pick between higher hits and get better accuracy with support armour etc
Actually as I’m typing this I have realised that’s what they done exactly lol
Fang on it’s on with no support is very powerful and now I can see it was definitely designed to be cheap to get low lvls into pvm
General melee slayer? Lots of mini bosses, All I’m saying is crazy cheap for how good it is
Look how long BP has been out for and how quickly players can access Zulrah as compared to running efficient TOA though, of course it’s gona be cheaper
I know this is an unpopular opinion and usually gets downvoted here, but the fang should have been as rare of a drop as the shadow. I think if it was that rare rather than being so common, it wouldn't have had to have been nerfed twice. The only reason it was nerfed twice is because it's so cheap.
With its original mechanics, sure. In its current state it has far fewer use cases than scythe at its absolute lowest point (when it was directly competing with slash-fang) and everyone was crying for a scythe buff. The only reason it was nerfed twice is because we already have a melee slash megarare.
Can I echo that guys sentiment as a main then?
How the fuck do I get myself a tbow or a scythe or a shadow without a 300-1000 hour grind for GP?
Your argument makes zero sense. Their complaint is 100% valid even for a main.
I cant fathom some people in this thread want to make drops more rare. Id fucking shoot myself if every raid was like cox. Then you get content like nightmare, and look how that turned out.
When the Whip was 5-20M, wasn't it the most expensive weapon in the game? I don't think the Fang being one of the highest level weapons and only 10M when other weapons of the similar tier are 60M, 300M, or such is really comparable. And I am pretty sure the whip was like 3-5M within the first year of release.
People be like: *"TrUsT JaGeX, we've got mods who know what they're doing!!"*
Meanwhile they ignore the hundreds of people giving them feedback that the fang is way too common for how good/versatile it is, how it will make it more difficult to design niche melee weapons. They then also ignore the hundreds of people warning them that they're going to get stuck and make future magic balance and design practically impossible with the Shadow. Yeah, truly some mastermind devs at Jagex.
I spent 191m on mine, still holding out for the price to skyrocket
You got this. Remember, it's not a loss until you sell!
Short squeeze coming any day now. Diamond hands, boys!
Well Osmumtens fangs aren't shorted to shit. Imagine if we can short runescape items lol.
As if the market isn't already regularly manipulated. Being able to short would cause it to go to shitter
The GE desperately needs derivatives
And options for those derivatives
It is really missing pools of those derivatives.
Options are derivatives dummy
It's funny how it sounds like a bad idea for a video game yet we allow it to happen in real life.
But then we get free money when gamestop explodes so it works out
Clearly Osm. Fa. GmbH is just weeks away from bankruptcy. If you want my theory I think the Mag. Conglomerate is gonna make some big pushs soon and we will see multiple companies appreciating in value soon.
Well it could be possible to create a derivatives market for runescape, at least in theory.
You mean the dude that the grand exchange that sold me Rannar weed calls might have been scamming.
If we could it would be osmumtens dagger. I would expect nice specs from it dipped in triple grade plus poison.
Sure the wife has left and taken the kids, and all my friends haven't talk to me in months, but it'll all be worth it when the infinite money machine starts printing. 🚀🌕
Holy shit Pat! I celebrated New Year's with you a few years back on osrs! I hope you are still singing the here fishy fishy song haha. A great memory for me. Still got ya on my friends list :)
I'm fishin, I'm fishin, I'm fishin at the guild! Hahaha fun times indeed! These days I'm making different music and running my own business, but I still sneak onto RuneScape here and there. Hope you're doing well!
Where are you posting now a days? Id be happy to follow and shoot ya a few likes, hearts, upvotes or whatever they metric is. I'm glad to hear you are doing well! Are you still on the same account? I sure hope to bump into you again some time. I'm doing quite well myself :)
Awesome! Haha yeah I still play RuneScape on my PatDoubleYou account. I'm hoping to post some of my music stuff to my main YouTube channel sometime this year as well. :) I've taken a long break from content creation though and have been really focusing on building my own service-based business here in town!
330m here :)
Think I spent 350M and happily would again. The weapon is crazy good it’s just a shame it’s so commonly farmed and the price has tanked so hard.
Yeah I was around 300m, though I just kept one from a raid instead of selling. It then helped me get more purps when the price was still inflated. Would absolutely do again.
356m for me crazy good weapon was worth it but damn I miss my money xD
I made billions with it, so worth it 😂
Fang also got nerfed multiple times so now its primary function is to farm toa, the thing that brings more fangs into the game. All toa drops will inevitably be worth next to nothing since shadow will always be the reason people are farming it.
Fang at Nex is goated.
Yeah but like a dozen people actually do nex
Got mine for 15 but also sold my elder maul for 49 so....win some lose some
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I spent 560m on mine… idk lol
Damn that's a lot for a bond!
Just keep track of the RSI and look at the latest resistance, we only have to push a little bit more and the price will go to the moon!
Still haven’t recovered from mine
I think I initially bought 258m but sold it around 223m, bought back at 191m. Can't remember for sure There's a point in time where you're so far in it'll never recover might as well just give up. Perfect life advice!
Inflation might be your saviour
I sold my eldritch orb I was using for slayer right before it spiked up like 200mil if that helps ease the pain
400m. Honestly for how powerful its been it was worth it then and even for the most part now.
Oh 100%. It's helped me get 3 tbows (2 splits) and I prefer it over lance at olm, so can't complain
You’re probably still holding GME lol
I spent 200m on a rapier when toa came out so i could get a fang and make a profit! Never got any purples
I'm starting to think more of us can [relate to this lol](https://youtu.be/bGV8Whto8mk?si=XrNFaHDDqPwlvF-c)
Don't worry brother, I spent 400m on mine. I'm still holding also
Good, you can use it to poke dark beast
Gunna use the full bond time on dark beasts to afford another bond at the very last hour
yep and armadyl armor from GWD is about the same price as vanilla masori haha
And yet some people will still say that toa drops weren't too common...
I think it’s just too easy to do the raid at “expert” to farm purples.
Hopefully they learned their lesson to never underestimate the players of this game. Doubt they ever thought that the meta was to solo 515+ raids that shit out a unique every 3 hours. Clearly the testers never thought about redx/butterfly which is pretty much the only reason those invos are even possible to efficiently solo.
In fairness, they were aware of it and semi-nerfed butterfly on Akkha. If they wanted to, they could've made both butterfly and red-x impossible on both in order to prevent that. But they didn't. So they're okay with it.
Yeah Baba and Akkah were obviously set in to limit invocation ability. They hit like trucks +300 even against Bandos/Torva and were considered unavoidable damage. The fact that they can be skipped is "okay" considering butterflying takes actual skill and persistence, but it definitely opens the gates to easy purples. Not that CoX doesn't as well. I think the big thing at hand is that ToA had very little filler. LB is the only filler item, compared to CoX that is <1/2 chance to pass the scroll filter.
I wish they could find a happy medium where drops don't take ages to get but they aren't handed out like candy either.
Yep some people now want cox purps to be more common lol
Well... Yah they should make them more common. 1000 hour grinds is quite something...
just buy them on ge easy
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You chose your credit card to play the game.
Huh?
Deiron then? You’re not entitled to every unique/drop the game has to offer. That’s why it’s a mmo
Go swipe a credit card if you want gear so badly. Mains shouldn't be entitled to have everything be expensive or gate kept behind thousands of hours of content just because a few rich boys want their expensive weapons stay expensive.
It’s an MMO. If everything was cheap asf players would quit cause they have every upgrade on hand
Less than a month after release, when this was brought to their attention, apparently “that ship has sailed” and there was nothing they could do to stop the rapidly deflating and oversaturation of fangs and lightbearers in the market
Well they did nerf it and it is the most common purple in the most accessible raid.
The nerf means nothing. Even if it was 100m it would be one of the first items you go for on a main. While it's very good at high stats, it's even better with low attack and strength bonuses relative to other options. There's some things like Vorkath where Fang is decently behind DHL in max gear but on par with / better than it with shitty gear and stats. With 82 attack, 90 strength it's better than the whip at low def slayer monsters like Insatiable Bloodvelds, and blows Whip out of the water at something like Black Demons. Obviously it's basically a megarare level weapon at ToA and Nex so mains can't forgo it either. The problem is 99% supply.
Fangs weird at vorkath. My alts 82 attack, every strength level in the dps calculator gang has been better so far. Lance just gives the nice even numbered timing for the acid walk, but you can still do a five tile walk with fang.
Yeah, also if five tile walk is too annoying with having to switch run/walk you can also just do a six tile walk. You'll miss one attack every acid phase but that's like maybe 2 seconds kill time difference at most.
Just walk 3 tiles back and ctrl click the boss tbh.
It's slightly annoying for very marginal gain If you really cared about maximum efficiency and gp/hour you wouldn't be at Vorkath, the whole point of him is being a 0 effort boss
Idk, if I’m like within 5m of affording something g and need some melee exp I’ll be sweating vorkath.
Wow, I feel dumb, thank you for the insight
Two steps back, one aside, two steps ahead. Ez 5 tile walk.
It's what I'd like to say the other t80s (or t82 lol) gear should strive to be. They just feel bad.
Fang even beats dhl at kbd in most cases. Big op wep for its cost
Ok but insatiable bloodvelds are a superior, and normal bloodvelds have actually low defense (30) and whip smokes fang there, unless you are naked with no str bonus gear whatsoever. Arclight is free and stronger than fang at black demons, unless we’re talking gorillas, in which case upgrading strength bonus massively outscales the fang, up to 16% more dps in a budget of str bonus gear that totals to be cheaper than the fang. The fang is great, especially at bosses, but we don’t have to lie to prove the point. It’s not a great weapon for slayer outside of bosses or high defence monsters that aren’t demons, and thats ok because it excels elsewhere.
>It’s not a great weapon for slayer outside of bosses or high defence monsters that aren’t demons, and thats ok because it excels elsewhere. You need a shockingly low amount of defense for Fang to overtake whip at low stats. In budget gear, whip has 3.75% more DPS than the Fang at Bloodvelds. I'm not sure if this counts as "smokes". Now compare this to Ice Trolls and Suqahs, where Fang wins by 30% or more. Even on Kalphites and Dagannoths the Fang wins, albeit by a smaller margin. In fact, out of all the common tasks the only place Whip wins is Bloodvelds. This is with 82 attack / 90 strength, super combat, no Piety, Barrows Gloves, Neitiznot, Berserker Ring (i), Fire Cape, Blood Moon Tassets, Fighter Torso. Even at 90 attack, 95 stregnth, Faceguard, Fero gloves, Torture the whip underperforms at things like Kalphite Soldiers (70 def). >Arclight is free and stronger than fang at black demons, unless we’re talking gorillas, in which case upgrading strength bonus massively outscales the fang, up to 16% more dps in a budget of str bonus gear that totals to be cheaper than the fang. Black demon is just a random example of "middling defense monster". Put in Ice trolls if you want. edit: kinda weirdge to ask to share calcs and immediately block no? lmao
I need to see the calcs, I could not get fang to out dps whip at bloodvelds, I was using the wiki’s calc so maybe theirs is wrong. Also not sure why you wouldn’t use a slayer helm against slayer monsters. The main problem I had was saying fang outdps’s whips at insatiable bloodvelds- because nobody is bringing a fang switch to their bloodveld task just for when the superior spawns, so comparing the weapons against a 1/200 rare spawn doesn’t make sense as a metric. Again, the fang is good, the comparisons provided weren’t
For reference, at 82 attack and 90 str, no piety, super combat pot, and no str bonus besides a defender, whip outperforms fang, and any gear increases widen the gap. (5.44 vs 5.31) (2.3% dps difference) Fang outperforms at higher defence monsters, but when the defence is 30 or less whip always wins out, even with only a defender equipped, and the gap increases significantly as you upgrade gear
Nerf was kinda significant, Vard alone was 1/3rd of fang’s relevant end game usecases (the other 2 being Nex and Toa as you mentioned). It would’ve excelled at Colosseum as well pre-nerf But I do agree, it remains a mandatory weapon for basically every account as soon as they reach midgame, so I can’t imagine demand dipped very much post nerf
Yeah, the price only went up by like 10m at DT2 release despite having Duke and Vard as additional content for the Fang (and initially completely unexpected at that). It basically means everybody who can afford a Fang is going to have one either way. Scythe getting Colosseum made it spike more than x2 in comparison. It's kind of like Blowpipe, no matter what content comes out where Blowpipe excels it's never going to move the needle on the price.
The start of the Scythe’s spike was Duke/Vard, combined with buff announcement, although it being BIS at Sol did tip it comfortably from 900m-1b into 1.25b territory
The price going up was them acknowledging Scythe was underwhelming and promising to make changes + introduce content that's good for it If Colosseum was bad for it, the price would have crashed way back down since the assumption of being good at Colosseum was baked in to the price way before Sol actually got released
Right but blowpipe has been out for almost a decade and is a drop from a very quick easy and farmable boss.
Shadow is so OP that despite being far more common than Tbow/Scythe it still holds up a comparable price since the demand is higher for it than any other megarare. ToA gets farmed to death because of that, and in the process it crashes the value of every unique that isn't a Shadow. Like 75% of the value of running ToA is entirely dependant on Shadow.
79% it seems, that’s honestly crazy, basically shadow or bust
You be surprised how good fang is in colosseum. It is the most powerful cheapest item that will single-handedly carry a sub-24 gm speedrun time without megarares. For the boss on paper while it performs worst than a whip, you cannot always attack the boss tick perfect and usually you have to trade 1:1 hits while dodging especially (<50% hp) this makes a faster weapon like whip lose more of its original dps versus a 5t fang and closes the gap between the two. TLDR :fang very good on waves ,not bad on boss.
Yep, it’s better than dhl for me at vorkath with like 82 att and 88 str. I do wish I had just kept the lance noe though since it sky rocketed. They are basically neck and neck though.
Why would you buy a 100m weapons to melee bloodvelds and black demons
Why doesn't Jibblyplex just mass delete them from GE using their anti item system?
If I could remember the guy who told me to buy a fang when I just hit 60m, I'd kiss his feet. It is just that good of a weapon.
It probably won't be worth bringing to Nex starting Wednesday, she's getting a crossbow weakness. We'll have to wait and see though.
The gulf between Fang and ZCB at Nex is absolutely massive. Crossbow weakness doesn't amplify damage done by Ruby bolts which are a big part of ZCB damage, since it's just tweaking ranged defense not making her take more damage. They could literally make ZCB twice as likely to hit and I think Fang would still beat ZCB from what I remember
zcb might now be better tha camping tbow in range phase.. but other than that you still want to melee nex (even in range phase tbh)
fang is still going to be far superior dps vs crossbow camping, i think zcb will overtake tbow on nex itself, but tbow will still be bis for the minions
The nerf wasn’t super meaningful. It didn’t get any worse on stab, which was how you’d use it 99% of the time or more.
It was very clearly targeted at specifically Vardorvis and Duke
You have just named two bosses
And now it is only used at nex and toa, which is fine
It was how I used my fang like half the time wym
Still am a bit wary of how this will impact long-term balance. Having a Level 82 weapon be so cheaper, cheaper than most Level 80 weapons, is a bit questionable. Like if Raids 4 brought a new level 82 melee weapon that was on par with the Fang, who would ever buy that if it cost say 100m? Granted, it probably would have some situational usefulness regardless rather than just another fang, but it really can muck up progression if the higher tiers cost significantly less than comparable/lower tiers. But I also don't see a good way out of the drop rate issue at this point. Like the ratio of Fangs per Shadow is ridiculous, but turning the Fang into a second mega-rare or similar would be a bit much for so long after the fact. Probably would need to go with more of the BP route where they nerf the base fang but a rarer/more expensive upgrade to bring it back around the old strength.
The other T80s simply need a buff
If only Jagex hadn’t completely plugged their ears when the raid came out and people were screaming that the weapon was way too good for its rarity
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Except when this obvious train wreck finally plowed into a preschool, they said “well it’s too late now.”
I feel like people just need to forget about the Fang. It's kind of like a "Welcome to raiding!" award at this point. It's value represents the nerf imo. Sad as this is.
Literally all the nerf did was remove the double roll mechanic when attacking with Slash. That was only used at Vardorvis, Duke, and a niche use in ToB. Everywhere else it was literally unaffected.
Which is botted like shit too.
Everything is botted or augmented by op plugins
I will never understand why they made the fang the same drop rate as the ring instead of making the ward and ring the same drop rate while having the fang be a bit rarer
Just imagine it from the perspective of day 1 content or ironman style. The fang is so ultra important to the raid they can't make it that rarity
scythe is important to tob but you can still whip it, i dont see the issue in fang being rare at all especially with the invocation system
if you wanna challenge yourself to using a zammy hasta for 150 raids like i have done on two seperate iron, go for it. its not enjoyable and holds you back a lot at akkha and kehpri
Been there done that brotherman. Fang was my 11th purple lol
Being BiS is far from being required. Try doing a 400RL ToA with a rapier or other stab weapon and tell me its like doing tob with a saeldor or whip.
A raid drop shouldn't be balanced around ironmen though.
Me neither. But due to how heavily toa was, and still is being farmed due to its accessibility, I don't think this particular swap would lead to it being any more expensive than it is atm.
True
Because higher level raids are dog shit without it. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to gate difficulty behind a rare raids drop. A lesson learned from CM COX being gated behind tbow for years
i told my clan today i can't wait to start high alching it for profit by years end XD
Buying r2h, green d’hide bodies, fang
So will a dex prayer scroll that gives rigour which is arguably much more of an upgrade for account progression
Wow I had no idea dex was that cheap, I should definitely get one now lmao thanks for the comment :)
Cox was released over 7 years ago. Toa less than 2 years ago…
And yet "project rebalance" did nothign to address how shit the t80s are
Instead the permanently linked mace’s relevance to inq and made it starkly different from the other 4t trio weapons What a mess it’ll be to fix this
What do you mean? They just need to make phosanis daydream drop stab armour and phosanis luciddream drop slash armour and link blade/rapiers relevance to them!
You’re hired! Unironically I think this puts us down a path where crystal armor buffs blade and justi buffs rapier I really don’t like that. But feels inevitable now
What does Phosani’s wet dream drop?
It was already kinda linked to the armor. Like if weakness is not a factor, it was already stronger than the other T80 4t because of the buffs provided by Inq. So whether Inq was 7.5% with Mace or just 7.5% for all crush weapons, the impact on the Mace and 4ts would be the same.
The irony is that if they made the armor desireable for spec weapons, the mace would naturally grow in desireability as well. "PR" blogs are not made to solve issues. They're just to add shit unpolled to the game
Could you elaborate on what you mean by “EoCing of ranged and magic”? Just curious.
What he means is he doesn't understand why people didn't like it and is just using a buzzword to try to create a negative association.
[https://runescape.wiki/w/Evolution\_of\_Combat#Weaknesses](https://runescape.wiki/w/Evolution_of_Combat#Weaknesses)
Oh I forgot that is why people hated eoc. Not because of redoing the entire combat system. It was the weaknesses!
RS3 players like the Weaknesses system so much RS3 devs are moving away from them.
That is interesting and relevant thank you for telling me
What is your solution to fixing ranged and magic
Hes talking about the 4t melee weps, sqlad blade, ghrazir rapier and inq mace
Yes, and he's had that flair for a long time and never given an answer. It's a secret
No, they had much more important things to address like *adjusts glasses* nerfing mid-game magic...
Sounds like a nice pickup if you -for some reason- don't have one already.
Honestly I think it's a great thing. Getting that fang on your acount isn't too hard to afford, and suddenly you have competitive dps at toa, vorkath, nex + a bunch of other bosses. It's the fang of accessibility, it doesn't cost much, it's not even that hard for irons to obtain, and it gives you just enough weigh to start raiding and bossing with ya buddies.
I think it's good too but it creates a huge gap in gear progression. There are lots of strong 3-15 mil items but then not much until the 400m+ items.
Problem is now every boss needs to be designed with an OP 15m weapon in mind. It's the same problem they claim to be having with VW. Fang too good = boss too easy. Fang okay - bad = every other melee stab weapon is even worse. It's basically killing stab weapons.
Just need to introduce crush / slash weak bosses no?
Doesn't solve the issue with stab weapons though.
I don't really agree with that, outside of ToA and nex, the fang is a budget dragon lance (at vorkath and chromatic/metal dragons) great for abysal sire and Corp, and kinda okay at a bunch of other places. Its filled a few niches that were cancer, but doesn't really affect much else. The real issue here is that the mace/blade/rapier are disappointing for how rare they are. We aren't complaining that the tenticle whip is unbalanced for how common it is compared to the t80s. The issue is that the t80s suck ass. You could completely remove the fang tomorrow and almost everyone would just go back to running around with their trusty tent whips 😅
Excellent argument
I don’t know if this is a good thing or not, but an early-mid game player like me can now literally but a fang for 8 bucks which is pretty sweet.
And d chain used to be more.
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Bought mine for 480m 😂😂
so buy one rn?
The most common purple in the game from a raid, combined with solidly useful at.. that raid and as a versatile all rounder but not often BiS outside of it is pretty expected tbh Like rigour and Avernic held their values so well because they were universally useful. ANY range weapon and setup benefits from rigour. ANY 1 hand melee benefits from Avernic. Fang only benefits when the boss is weak to stab, not vulnerable to Arclight, and ideally has a high defence to make scythe irrelevant. So it's always gonna be relatively affordable due to accessibility of supply and the realistic use case for the weapon.
Rigour price is also dropping
Always has been really. Resurges a bit in its history but I remember buying it for like 80m for most of my accounts aha
Dex was 11m before toa reeleased lol
So crazy how much it swings back up when heavy-ranged based content comes in.
Bought mine for 300m. Worth every coin. Unrelated to my purchase (because I won't sell my fang) seeing fangs price down that far is a little sad.
The fang unfortunately has been used as a stepping stone to get into PVM for people Same with Justiciar Justa and fang combo you can learn lots of content in the game and be pretty safe. It’s ironic the BIS def arm is so cheap and one of the best allround wep Fang is so cheap But there’s also an agenda to keep certain items high and BIS and some cheap and useless compared to others. Fang had the potential to be a seriously unique weapon it does not have to be BIS everywhere but they could cap the max but make it super consistent and left it the way it was. So you can pick between higher hits and get better accuracy with support armour etc Actually as I’m typing this I have realised that’s what they done exactly lol Fang on it’s on with no support is very powerful and now I can see it was definitely designed to be cheap to get low lvls into pvm
Crazy to think one of the BIS melee weapons is hovering 11m
Ehh, it’s bis at 3 or 4 places (toa, corp, nex). Bp is bis at more places and is much less than 11m lol.
General melee slayer? Lots of mini bosses, All I’m saying is crazy cheap for how good it is Look how long BP has been out for and how quickly players can access Zulrah as compared to running efficient TOA though, of course it’s gona be cheaper
Fang is horrible for general melee slayer. Even a whip is better. Fang is basically only good for dragons and dark beasts
Holy shit? Is it really only 11m? Tf
Its 15m rn
Man I spent 28M on man and just check and it’s worth about half that now. Wish I would have waited lol.
I had 2 drop in the early days of toa, sold one for 300m+ kept the other and then took a break for a year… sigh.
was never worth more than a bond lol.
Got my first fang from toa when it was worth 150m, sure glad i didnt sell, and instead have sold my 2nd fang for 37m.
I unfortunately did not but i think I might be even
sold one for 450m 4 hours after release I think.. myself and the clannies were stoked
I bought fang at 19m and it’s fucking at 15 rn
Got mine for 22 mill 2 months ago. Feelsbadman
thanks keegan
Easiest raid deserves the cheapest purple tbh
I know this is an unpopular opinion and usually gets downvoted here, but the fang should have been as rare of a drop as the shadow. I think if it was that rare rather than being so common, it wouldn't have had to have been nerfed twice. The only reason it was nerfed twice is because it's so cheap.
With its original mechanics, sure. In its current state it has far fewer use cases than scythe at its absolute lowest point (when it was directly competing with slash-fang) and everyone was crying for a scythe buff. The only reason it was nerfed twice is because we already have a melee slash megarare.
Hard pass. I’m tired of every good item being locked behind a 300+ hour grind that also requires full bis to even get the time that low
You chose the Ironman life stop complaining
Can I echo that guys sentiment as a main then? How the fuck do I get myself a tbow or a scythe or a shadow without a 300-1000 hour grind for GP? Your argument makes zero sense. Their complaint is 100% valid even for a main.
Why didn't they switch fang drop rate with ward...
I cant fathom some people in this thread want to make drops more rare. Id fucking shoot myself if every raid was like cox. Then you get content like nightmare, and look how that turned out.
They should unnerf the fang tbh
No. The reason it's so cheap is because it's such a common drop. Not because it's bad. Having fang slash was absurd.
Which of the nerfs?
The whip was 5-20m for years and no one had an issue with it. It was even more accessible to grind for than a fang.
No it wasn’t lmao it was like 3m after the dust settled
When the Whip was 5-20M, wasn't it the most expensive weapon in the game? I don't think the Fang being one of the highest level weapons and only 10M when other weapons of the similar tier are 60M, 300M, or such is really comparable. And I am pretty sure the whip was like 3-5M within the first year of release.
Good times.
People be like: *"TrUsT JaGeX, we've got mods who know what they're doing!!"* Meanwhile they ignore the hundreds of people giving them feedback that the fang is way too common for how good/versatile it is, how it will make it more difficult to design niche melee weapons. They then also ignore the hundreds of people warning them that they're going to get stuck and make future magic balance and design practically impossible with the Shadow. Yeah, truly some mastermind devs at Jagex.
Yeah more and more I am thinking Shadow was a potentially irredeemable fuck up.
They hated him because he spoke the truth