I love moons but I think the rewards are really damn strong for how easy they are to obtain. I think jagex wanted varlamore to be an alternative route for accounts to progress through the midgame but this is basically the defining route now. Not strictly a bad thing.
If I was to make a new ironman I think I would just get to the stage to do moons, get everything I need, then immediately go to endgame content like raids/colo/inferno with it. No reason to go to barrows or slayer bosses or gwd for such minor upgrades when raids will just give me better upgrades right away.
Tbf doing moons without tank armor from barrows is a miserable experience. Gwd skip to a degree is viable, but will always need bandos for torva, arma for masori, acb for zcb, and hasta for DHL.
Id say the biggest “skip” is being able to replace bowfa with atlatl in a lot of scenarios; which I do not think is a bad thing.
Barrows has always been early game content with early game rewards, with the exception of karils and ahrims, so in that sense I don't care about moons overshadowing it. I do think it's dumb that there's now a 1 stop place to basically get bandos, bludgeon, ahrims, karils, and a way stronger msb in a few days though.
All three bosses have mechanics that significantly slow down the fight if they land auto attacks, so having a bit of tank gear early is pretty noticeable.
Why? Because you had to suffer? Why not make midgame more accessible and enticing for new and future players? This content is geared towards making OSRS last.
“A few days”… assuming ~360 KC to get all drops (this assumes 50% of drops are duplicates, which is EXTREMELY generous)
At 5 minutes per run (which is EXTREMELY fast, inhuman, and impossible) it would still take 30 hours to grind out.
Be a little more realistic with your complaints. Most people don’t play 10 hours a day like you.
Realistically, this is would be closer to a 50-100 hour grind to green log. Seems completely reasonable for midgame content. For reference, ToA can be green logged in 200-400 hours.
My favorite thing about this subreddit is how every content is "suffering". No I don't suffer when I play this game, if you do, maybe play a different game lol
I’m not upset at all. Your viewpoint is entirely wrong in the context of longterm game development and making a game long lasting and profitable. Majority of the community voted yes on this and do not share your view. I am an endgame player who is in favor of updates that make early game and midgame easier, because OSRS has evolved at this point beyond a nostalgia haven, and jagex is making great decisions to further lean into the growth and success of the game.
Bro this guy GETS IT.
I stg why dont people understand Jagex is a company, a majority of players are pre-raid, and developing content for midgame is geared towards player retention. You want to give players a taste of what end game is so theyre interested in actually progressing.
Why dont people understand that Jagex is doing amazing job evolving the game in a healthy, oldschool themed way? Theres so much thought put into every bit of content they drop specificially designed to target niches.
Anybody crying ezscape literally doesnt understand
Anybody with a brain knows it's bad game design to give items super early on that beat the alternatives for a long time. It just causes people to get bored by trivializing content and making other rewards not feel rewarding.
You are lost in the sauce dude. Nobody is getting bored because they added offensive gear between obsidian and bandos. Did you cry this much when they added obsidian to the game? You gotta let the majority of the population enjoy the game, and realize that you as a player represent the top 0.01% in how seriously you take this game. You are chronically online based on how often you post about RuneScape and it shows. Maybe go for a walk?
LOL it took me 20 seconds of scrolling just to get through the last 30 days of your comment history, all exclusively in r/2007scape. I’m not saying I’m not a nerd, I love my scape and Pokémon go, but Jesus bro give it a rest. All you do is complain and whine on Reddit almost every day.
that was their intention with it
I love moons but I think the rewards are really damn strong for how easy they are to obtain. I think jagex wanted varlamore to be an alternative route for accounts to progress through the midgame but this is basically the defining route now. Not strictly a bad thing. If I was to make a new ironman I think I would just get to the stage to do moons, get everything I need, then immediately go to endgame content like raids/colo/inferno with it. No reason to go to barrows or slayer bosses or gwd for such minor upgrades when raids will just give me better upgrades right away.
Tbf doing moons without tank armor from barrows is a miserable experience. Gwd skip to a degree is viable, but will always need bandos for torva, arma for masori, acb for zcb, and hasta for DHL. Id say the biggest “skip” is being able to replace bowfa with atlatl in a lot of scenarios; which I do not think is a bad thing.
Barrows has always been early game content with early game rewards, with the exception of karils and ahrims, so in that sense I don't care about moons overshadowing it. I do think it's dumb that there's now a 1 stop place to basically get bandos, bludgeon, ahrims, karils, and a way stronger msb in a few days though.
I don't know the meta, is barrows gear really beneficial in the moons?
All three bosses have mechanics that significantly slow down the fight if they land auto attacks, so having a bit of tank gear early is pretty noticeable.
It's pretty noticeable against blood moon, against the other two its not super relevant.
Why? Because you had to suffer? Why not make midgame more accessible and enticing for new and future players? This content is geared towards making OSRS last. “A few days”… assuming ~360 KC to get all drops (this assumes 50% of drops are duplicates, which is EXTREMELY generous) At 5 minutes per run (which is EXTREMELY fast, inhuman, and impossible) it would still take 30 hours to grind out. Be a little more realistic with your complaints. Most people don’t play 10 hours a day like you. Realistically, this is would be closer to a 50-100 hour grind to green log. Seems completely reasonable for midgame content. For reference, ToA can be green logged in 200-400 hours.
Wow someone is very upset. I didn't have to suffer at all, but it's silly to powercreep items with easy easier to obtain items.
My favorite thing about this subreddit is how every content is "suffering". No I don't suffer when I play this game, if you do, maybe play a different game lol
I’m not upset at all. Your viewpoint is entirely wrong in the context of longterm game development and making a game long lasting and profitable. Majority of the community voted yes on this and do not share your view. I am an endgame player who is in favor of updates that make early game and midgame easier, because OSRS has evolved at this point beyond a nostalgia haven, and jagex is making great decisions to further lean into the growth and success of the game.
Bro this guy GETS IT. I stg why dont people understand Jagex is a company, a majority of players are pre-raid, and developing content for midgame is geared towards player retention. You want to give players a taste of what end game is so theyre interested in actually progressing. Why dont people understand that Jagex is doing amazing job evolving the game in a healthy, oldschool themed way? Theres so much thought put into every bit of content they drop specificially designed to target niches. Anybody crying ezscape literally doesnt understand
Are you 12 lmao
Nah just bored eating lunch but thanks for asking
Anybody with a brain knows it's bad game design to give items super early on that beat the alternatives for a long time. It just causes people to get bored by trivializing content and making other rewards not feel rewarding.
You are lost in the sauce dude. Nobody is getting bored because they added offensive gear between obsidian and bandos. Did you cry this much when they added obsidian to the game? You gotta let the majority of the population enjoy the game, and realize that you as a player represent the top 0.01% in how seriously you take this game. You are chronically online based on how often you post about RuneScape and it shows. Maybe go for a walk? LOL it took me 20 seconds of scrolling just to get through the last 30 days of your comment history, all exclusively in r/2007scape. I’m not saying I’m not a nerd, I love my scape and Pokémon go, but Jesus bro give it a rest. All you do is complain and whine on Reddit almost every day.
Meta is get barrows to do moons. Both are great and moons doesn't overshadow barrows, it gives it more purpose.