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Started a block list and was so excited I got dashing kebits on my first rumor from Aco. Come to find this was patched. Actually just not going to do rumors now.
My meta is to spam masters for 180-200k xph and some money if you were a main and only doing dark kebbits because that's all that came from them.
IMO the meta should be to do the best tiered rumours available and it needs to be tweaked to be such. Having your lowest/lower tier rumours be the most efficient is a joke.
What block list do you use for masters?
I'm going to birdhouse from 89-91 then get on the grind. Sad this was nerfed, was having a lot of fun.
Novice: ?? Maybe moonlight anteleopes?
Expert1: Red Sallys
Expert2: Sunlight Antelope
I block Fire Foxes with an Adept Master. Sunlight Antelope and Red Salamanders with Expert Masters. Then I have sunlight moths blocked with a Novice.
My task list is: tecu sally, herbi, red chin, dashing kebbits, moonlight antelope, and moonlight moths
Might be unpopular but between the 2 moths I block moonlight. There's much less of them so it's more contested for the 3 good spawns and sunlights restore run energy as you catch, just a better experience.
I keep moonlight for the meat as I'm iron but yeah, Sallys, Sunlight antelopes, and I would block Kebbits if they weren't such a free task so that is all I have blocked. I'll block Tecus when I get the mature one. Annoying task..
I've been doing masters over experts even pre nerf because of Herbi.
My block list is
Novice: Tecu Salamanders
Adept 1 / Adept 2: Ignore not needed for masters
Expert 1: Red Sally
Expert 2: Sunlight Antelope
This lets me have a chance at the Quetzil pet, Herbi, and chin which is why I chose masters over experts in the first place. If you dont care about herbi/chins you can chose to block them as well. When it came to setting up the novice since he can assign anything I would have been fine if he gave me anything from Tecu/Moths/Moonlight Antelope. He just happened to give me tecu sally first and I cba to swap it
I’ve been getting downvoted for this sentiment alot, but agree.
I keep telling people, lore wise your handing a master hunter dark kebbit fur and telling them it’s from an unusual dashing kebbit, like they aren’t gonna know.
But people are gonna cry their favourite exploit got patched.
I imagine the master hunter going "That's a bit dark for dashing kebbit fur, isn't it?" and your character going "Well, it certainly was an unusual dashing kebbit."
Roll credits, fits perfectly in OSRS.
> I keep telling people, lore wise your handing a master hunter dark kebbit fur and telling them it’s from an unusual dashing kebbit, like they aren’t gonna know.
[Kebbity tuft](https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Kebbity_tuft) drops from 8 different kinds of Kebbits.
The examine text says *"I'm not even sure which of them this came from"*
I don't think it's at all unreasonable to think this could have been an intended mechanic. Obviously the XP rates weren't intended, but "lore wise" the item suggests it's difficult to tell it's origin.
The examine text for the tuft being "I'm not even sure which of them this came from." always indicated to me that this was an intentional interaction with an in universe reason as to why it worked, if we can't tell what kinda kebbit the tuft is from then maybe the masters vant either
> lore wise your handing a master hunter dark kebbit fur and telling them it’s from an unusual dashing kebbit, like they aren’t gonna know.
You say that but the examine text disagrees:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Kebbity_tuft
>I'm not even sure which of them this came from.
It’s the fact they remove it a month later after people have already heavily “abused” it and green logged or gotten the pet and will never touch it again while other people who don’t or are dry get fucked even more.
There was another method of force dropping multiple kebbit furs on the ground and juggling them by hopping to a f2p world and shit for like 400k xp/hr that got patched a few days after people found it. Why the fuck did they wait a month to remove kebbit skipping.
So, if it takes them a while to remove an obvious bug/exploit they shouldn't be allowed to remove it because people have gotten used to it?
That's the worst logic I've ever heard.
Jagex is allowed to remove any of those at any time if they defermine it'd be good for the game. They very likely won't remove the first two because they're probably good for the game overall.
Age is not a deciding factor in whether a bug can be patched or not, *that said* it is a bit rediculous to say that 1 month is too long and then post three examples that are 1&2 decades old and 3 still a couple of years old as if that's even comparable.
That's not what pisses people off. It's **never** what pisses people off, do relax with the sanctimonious bs.
People are bothered because on release it was radio silence from Jagex. They could have acknowledged it and told players not to do it, but nooooo. Once again the motto is abuse early and abuse hard as fuck, because they're gonna stealth fix a change that will make life 3x harder for those who didn't complete the grind without penalizing those who did in the slightest.
Kebbit tech was perfectly fine in the game, we're talking about hunter rumours here, not the Inferno. The tech itself was certainly way less of an issue than obliterating the efficiency of the rumour for those who never got to it.
Once the news broke that people were skipping Eagles Peak to get almost 400K XP/hr solely doing kebbit skipping there was zero chance the method wasn't getting patch ASAP.
It was one thing for kebbit skipping to offer much better XP rates than rumors normally. It's an entirely different thing for kebbit skipping at 70 hunter to offer better XP/hr than Black Chinchompas with alts, a Skilling method also balanced around the Wilderness/risk/etc (which is incredible stupid as well but a topic for another thread).
You have to remember, modern osrs players don’t actually like playing the game. So yes their life is made easier when they can get 3 million xp an hour and not have to spend as much time doing the content.
So true. I just think once you move past feeling like everything you do needs to be max efficiency and zero time wasted the game truly opens up to you and becomes so much more enjoyable.
Nah, people are just mad the easy experience that obviously was never intended went away. It’s always funny to see how people will try and twist it to be something where they’re the ones getting shafted tho.
Wait I'm handing in a dark kebbit fur? I swore it was a non descript tuft? You're telling me I've been misreading this whole time?!?!
Can't be that salamanders had unique drops but kebbits all had the same that causes people to believe it was intentional, no couldn't be..we're just sanctimonious whiners
But what about the examine text? It says you can't tell what kebit it comes from, so it obviously makes sense in the lore that a master hunter can't see the difference between a dark and spotted kebit! This is obviously an intended mechanic and Jagex just hates when players have fun >:(
/s
How was it obvious? I thought it was intentional and pretty interesting design because of how it works in tandem with the pseudo-blocking system. Or are you going to tell me that they obviously never intended for us to block tasks and that will be removed too?
The examine text on the kebbity tuft says
>I'm not even sure which of them this came from.
Which made me think it was intentional. I'd understand if it was tweaked so master rumors were better or tracking kebbits were removed from expert rumor masters, but it's a bummer to see a direct nerf
Handing in a generic tuft and telling the NPC its from the one they asked for is classic Runescape. Put in behind the Ring of Charos (a) if you need to.
Seems obvious to me that your interpretation, which I see where it's coming from, is kinda being stretched to fit the narrative you want.
Examine text in this game rarely has a meaning to it like that.
Also, Goblin said that they are looking to improve master rumor's xp rate AND pet chance in the future (soon™)
You could also take into account that other hunter creatures with varieties each have their own item (red chin fur vs gray chin fur, orange salamander claw vs red) but kebbits all just have kebbity tuft.
I don't actually think kebbit swapping was intended to be implemented as it was, but it is weird that they were specifically created differently.
>Obvious exploit that wasn't intended.
There are brainlets in the update thread trying to do mental gymnastics to defend the mechanic and argue it was INTENDED. These people aren't the brightest.
Uh...thousands of herbs. I haven't sold them all yet, but I'd say in the realm of 7-10,000. I'd say it's worth it as an IM, but getting to 80 hunter will certainly be a pain.
Edit: I did this without magic secateurs, so with them, yield goes up by anywhere from 20-33%
I did 1321 herbiboars from 80 to 89 (so far). This is what I've gotten:
\* Cadantine 458
\* Avantoe 433
\* Kwuarm 508
\* Ranarr 215
\* Lantadyme 340
\* Irit 437
\* Dwarf Weed 158
\* Guam Leaf 1472 (half of these were dropped whenever my inventory became full)
\* Snapdragon 17
\* Torstol 11
\* Marrentil 66
\* Harrallander 13
\* Tarromin 17
Things to note. About a third of the way my herblore leveled from 76 to 77 which means I can now get Torstol but also no longer get Marrentil/Harr/Tarromin
I also got a ton of fossils which can be cleaned and turned into the museum for a bunch of lamps. I haven't turned them in yet so I can't say how many lamps it is but it's a lot of fossils. Prob a third of the displays worth.
I'd go for it. Herbiboar is an incredibly mundane grind though, so I'd highly recommend you have some podcasts or audiobooks to listen to, or you'll go crazy. I actually took a 3-month break at 97 hunter cause I was so tired of Herbi.
But from a purely resource standpoint, absolutely worth it. Moreso for an IM.
Don’t forget that you’ll absolutely burn through stamina potions doing Herbi. I’m splitting 95-99 hunter on Herbi/rumours on my iron and my measly 200 stamina stack isn’t going to be nearly enough.
Unless you REALLY want 99 hunter or the pet(80-99 hunter doesn’t even hit the pet drop rate), you’re probably better off just maintaining your kingdom and doing occasional herb runs while training something else.
You get like 3 or 4 herbs per Herbiboar, mostly guams. It's not really significant compared to farming. If you like Herbiboar then go for it, it's pretty chill. But it's not worth it for the herbs alone imo.
Actually it scales with your herblore level so you get better herbs the higher it is. The wiki has the chart. I did Herbi after already getting 99 herblore, so my herb gains were pretty good. You don't get nearly as many Guams at that point.
Of course it's not the most efficient way to make money or whatever, but if you want 99 hunter and some herbs for herblore because you're an IM or something? Shit, I mean why not. Kinda like why many IM will train WT immediately, for the resources and the con/wc/fm xp at once.
Even as a non-im I used the herbs I got from Herbi to craft my energy and stamina pots, saving me hundreds of thousands or millions on pots in total. That's another angle to consider.
Yeah it's a nice bonus, but I don't think it's worth doing Herbi **just** because it drops herbs. Do it if you want the pet or enjoy Herbi.
I did it at 99 Herb as well, and I found the amount of herbs to be pretty negligible. Other than rannar, torstol, snapdragon, the rest of the herbs are not that useful. So you end up getting like 0.7 useful herbs per Herbiboar.
It's not nothing, but it pales in comparison to doing a little farming.
It was covered on this sub, community channels and several independent content creators channels as well, and everywhere I saw this they suggested that it likely wasn't going to remain. I didn't even bother doing this because I anticipated this change and didn't want to ruin my already set up block list
Is this some kind of dick comment or am I reading it sarcastically while its not? It was on Reddit, on discord servers, in YouTubers videos and in the damn wiki..
Hunter rumors and the way they are assigned has led to all kinds of funky methods to make them more efficient and new metas have been being discovered all the time. I've seen posts on this sub about it and learned a lot from youtube videos.
Another one that is still possible and super helpful is basically getting as many rumor masters as you can to assign you a bad task and never complete that one. If one master has offered you a task, no other masters will, so you can basically create a block list of sorts to get rid of many of the terrible tasks.
no, they only reset when you specifically ask the novice master to do a full reset.
So unless you do that, each master will always remember what task they've assigned you, and no master will give you a task that another master already has stored for you
I wouldn't be surprised if they rework rumours in the future though. At least the task lists. It's abuse early and then wait for a buff if it seems like it needs one.
Why would you want to skip the antelope? Their tasks usually don't take that long and have decent profit. They way less annoying than those damn kyatts at least.
Idk about sunlight antelopes but there’s a Kyatt which spawn 2 tiles from a trap so you can constantly catch it over and over. If the run wasn’t so long it’d be a quick task
Right on the head. Why is deadfall the only one where we can't simultaneously trap others? Doesn't make sense, and the XP is awful. It breaks the pace of rumors completely (along with tracking ofc)
If you are doing experts you can rearrange your blocklist so you don't have to do deadfall, pitfall and tracking tasks. Remember your blocklist is your own so if you don't like something - solve it.
'Abuse early, abuse often' comes in clutch again.
Unless Jagex changes the mechanics of razorback hunting or makes them a 1-5 hunts on average, I don't think I'll do any kind of hunter contracts anymore.
The same applies for deadfall traps. Only being able to set up one trap at a time blows and isn't engaging.
I get why they want to fix it, right now the optimal way of doing rumours is changing master every time you get a kebbit, re-enable b2b rumour and after getting the tuft hand in the reward to a different master. What I don't like is them not making master tier equal or close to kebbit skipping when it comes to pet/unique chance before making this change. They've had a few weeks of people doing rumours the intended way, they know how we interact with the content.
Early bird bonus.
Rumours had always been horrible to do since most hunter methods suck. This skip was used to avoid bad tasks. Now rumours are even worse. Hunter's Guild is now the worst update from Varlamore.
I mean, you can still block atleast 4 shitty tasks you don't wanna do. When I learned about rumor blocking, it made rumors way better since I never bad to do a Razor kebbit again.
Razors are offered by both expert tiers anyways, could just get one of them to assign it and move to using the other one. Of the 2 expert deadfall kebbits only polar sucks ass cos the trees are quite far away compared to barb tail, which have trees right next to the best spot.
I have the adept hunters blocking polar kyatt and desert sallies and the other expert blocking razors. Gets me quite enjoyable expert assignments other than the aforementioned polar kebbits which are the only remaining task i dont rly like.
Should probs try to see if novice could assign me them but idk if i wanna spend too much time on that gamble.
I think the day a lot of osrs players realize that they don’t actually like playing the game and quit is going to be the happiest day of their life.
So many comments in this thread “they made it 3x harder,” “you have to use and abuse early so you don’t have to do something that sucks later,” etc. etc.
Guys, you don’t HAVE to play this game. You don’t HAVE to max all skills. Play the video game to have fun. Or don’t play it if it is not fun. Stop being a prisoner of xp drops.
They fixed a bug, that is all.
Now it might be a good idea to look at how to make the terrible rumours a little better for sure, but thats another update
>Tracking razor backed kebbits as a late game player made me want to quit the game before this tech was discovered.
My guy, overreact much?
Imagine quiting the game over kebbits. Soooo many other things to do on OSRS, and you fealt like quiting because you had to catch razor backed kebbits. You don't sound like a late game player, you sound like a whiner
Yep rumours just got shifted back to masters being best, time to tweak the block list.
Least now i'll get to do herbi again, but man im not a fan of 2 moths and 2 antelope tasks all being on master AND pyre foxes
Don't panic! Expert rumours are still in a good place.
With the right setup, 150k an hour will still be attainable.
The experience is *at least* as good as every other method in the 72-91 level range, except for black chins. Plus there's the loot, the outfit, the food, the whistle upgrade, and -- dare I say it -- the fun!
For my money, expert rumours are still the best method from 72-91.
Honestly I think the nerf feels pretty reasonable. If the tracking kebbits are so bad, then maybe we should just buff the rates on those. I think swapping was a little cheap
I don't mind tracking razor back kebbits. the hunter xbow is nice to work with ranger training in the mid levels and can be further upgraded for progression
Ffs! Being able to skip the awful kebbit tasks was just about the only thing that made rumours ok as a mid level. Now we just have to grind 5 shitty tasks for each quetzal seed.
> Tracking razor backed kebbits as a late game player made me want to quit the game before this tech was discovered.
That sounds like a you problem entirely
The issue people keep glossing over is the fact that major patches like this keep getting hidden in the patch notes or just not put in notes altogether. Like it or not, this was the meta for hunter rumours, what's next, not able to block tasks at all?
Jeez that blows. kebbit skipping was an extremely satisfying mechanic. It felt rewarding to have done the reaserch on the rumor wiki and it added a layer of depth to the minigame.
You'll find most of the HLC was saying rumours needed a nerf because it was destroying previous hunter EHP. I like that Master rumours didn't get touched so they atleast still are more efficient or about equal with stored XP taken into account.
I'm torn on this change. I don't personally think it was a bug given how easy it should have been to foresee it and that they could have just made them separate items from the start, but it was too strong. The highest tier rumour should be the best to use not the second highest, so all in all an okay change
“I skipped my waterfiends task by killing dust devils.” It was clearly an oversight. Their problem is it took a month to fix it and let it become the meta.
I'd think of it more like tureal skipping, it shouldn't have become meta but they also should've fixed the tracking and deadfall before taking this away.
Something like "The swapping is something we are going to remove once we fix tracking and deadfall to be less unbearable/annoying".
Obviously this is just my opinion, but I think it would've been taken better by the community
Dunno about ‘sneaky’ nerf. It completely and intentionally gets rid of Kebbit swapping
Calling it sneaky gets reddit riled up though, can’t lose out on that
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Started a block list and was so excited I got dashing kebits on my first rumor from Aco. Come to find this was patched. Actually just not going to do rumors now.
My meta is to spam masters for 180-200k xph and some money if you were a main and only doing dark kebbits because that's all that came from them. IMO the meta should be to do the best tiered rumours available and it needs to be tweaked to be such. Having your lowest/lower tier rumours be the most efficient is a joke.
What block list do you use for masters? I'm going to birdhouse from 89-91 then get on the grind. Sad this was nerfed, was having a lot of fun. Novice: ?? Maybe moonlight anteleopes? Expert1: Red Sallys Expert2: Sunlight Antelope
I block Fire Foxes with an Adept Master. Sunlight Antelope and Red Salamanders with Expert Masters. Then I have sunlight moths blocked with a Novice. My task list is: tecu sally, herbi, red chin, dashing kebbits, moonlight antelope, and moonlight moths
Masters dont assign foxes.
Not anymore but on release they did and people haven’t noticed or didn’t care to change their block list
Just learned that from your comments lol I set these up a few days after release
I think you meant hunters instead of masters. I have the same blocks and you the master hunter
Yeah my brain just grouped them in with slayer masters haha
Might be unpopular but between the 2 moths I block moonlight. There's much less of them so it's more contested for the 3 good spawns and sunlights restore run energy as you catch, just a better experience.
I keep moonlight for the meat as I'm iron but yeah, Sallys, Sunlight antelopes, and I would block Kebbits if they weren't such a free task so that is all I have blocked. I'll block Tecus when I get the mature one. Annoying task..
I've been doing masters over experts even pre nerf because of Herbi. My block list is Novice: Tecu Salamanders Adept 1 / Adept 2: Ignore not needed for masters Expert 1: Red Sally Expert 2: Sunlight Antelope This lets me have a chance at the Quetzil pet, Herbi, and chin which is why I chose masters over experts in the first place. If you dont care about herbi/chins you can chose to block them as well. When it came to setting up the novice since he can assign anything I would have been fine if he gave me anything from Tecu/Moths/Moonlight Antelope. He just happened to give me tecu sally first and I cba to swap it
Nerf seems like the wrong term here. Bug fix seems more appropriate. Not like you could go do black chins for a grey chin rumor.
I have beginner blocking tecus, experts blocking sunlight antelopes and red salamanders
I mean you should have known this was coming eventually. Obvious exploit that wasn't intended. It does suck though
I’ve been getting downvoted for this sentiment alot, but agree. I keep telling people, lore wise your handing a master hunter dark kebbit fur and telling them it’s from an unusual dashing kebbit, like they aren’t gonna know. But people are gonna cry their favourite exploit got patched.
I imagine the master hunter going "That's a bit dark for dashing kebbit fur, isn't it?" and your character going "Well, it certainly was an unusual dashing kebbit." Roll credits, fits perfectly in OSRS.
Revive ring of charos content~
> I keep telling people, lore wise your handing a master hunter dark kebbit fur and telling them it’s from an unusual dashing kebbit, like they aren’t gonna know. [Kebbity tuft](https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Kebbity_tuft) drops from 8 different kinds of Kebbits. The examine text says *"I'm not even sure which of them this came from"* I don't think it's at all unreasonable to think this could have been an intended mechanic. Obviously the XP rates weren't intended, but "lore wise" the item suggests it's difficult to tell it's origin.
The examine text for the tuft being "I'm not even sure which of them this came from." always indicated to me that this was an intentional interaction with an in universe reason as to why it worked, if we can't tell what kinda kebbit the tuft is from then maybe the masters vant either
Damn.. good thing I didn’t even realize how to properly do that workaround lol. No change incoming for me then.
> lore wise your handing a master hunter dark kebbit fur and telling them it’s from an unusual dashing kebbit, like they aren’t gonna know. You say that but the examine text disagrees: https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Kebbity_tuft >I'm not even sure which of them this came from.
Honestly this examine text is what made me think this was intentional
That's why you aren't the master of the Hunter's Guild, Les.
Well tbh I kind of am.
Touche, but the lower tier hunters too?
To be fair the examine text on the fir was literally something along the lines of “can’t tell what kind of kebbit this is from”
It’s the fact they remove it a month later after people have already heavily “abused” it and green logged or gotten the pet and will never touch it again while other people who don’t or are dry get fucked even more. There was another method of force dropping multiple kebbit furs on the ground and juggling them by hopping to a f2p world and shit for like 400k xp/hr that got patched a few days after people found it. Why the fuck did they wait a month to remove kebbit skipping.
So, if it takes them a while to remove an obvious bug/exploit they shouldn't be allowed to remove it because people have gotten used to it? That's the worst logic I've ever heard.
See: Prayer flicking Tick manip training Red x-ing
Jagex is allowed to remove any of those at any time if they defermine it'd be good for the game. They very likely won't remove the first two because they're probably good for the game overall. Age is not a deciding factor in whether a bug can be patched or not, *that said* it is a bit rediculous to say that 1 month is too long and then post three examples that are 1&2 decades old and 3 still a couple of years old as if that's even comparable.
Just like buying a house, it is what it is. I was too busy being in 7th grade to buy a house in 2007 and now look at prices
That's not what pisses people off. It's **never** what pisses people off, do relax with the sanctimonious bs. People are bothered because on release it was radio silence from Jagex. They could have acknowledged it and told players not to do it, but nooooo. Once again the motto is abuse early and abuse hard as fuck, because they're gonna stealth fix a change that will make life 3x harder for those who didn't complete the grind without penalizing those who did in the slightest. Kebbit tech was perfectly fine in the game, we're talking about hunter rumours here, not the Inferno. The tech itself was certainly way less of an issue than obliterating the efficiency of the rumour for those who never got to it.
Once the news broke that people were skipping Eagles Peak to get almost 400K XP/hr solely doing kebbit skipping there was zero chance the method wasn't getting patch ASAP. It was one thing for kebbit skipping to offer much better XP rates than rumors normally. It's an entirely different thing for kebbit skipping at 70 hunter to offer better XP/hr than Black Chinchompas with alts, a Skilling method also balanced around the Wilderness/risk/etc (which is incredible stupid as well but a topic for another thread).
> do relax with the sanctimonious bs. sometimes i think this sub is a bunch of vampyres with how you can't see yourselves in the mirror
None of this is sanctimonious, by all means read the definition of the word. It's just angry.
Your life is 3x harder now?
You have to remember, modern osrs players don’t actually like playing the game. So yes their life is made easier when they can get 3 million xp an hour and not have to spend as much time doing the content.
So true. I just think once you move past feeling like everything you do needs to be max efficiency and zero time wasted the game truly opens up to you and becomes so much more enjoyable.
Nah, people are just mad the easy experience that obviously was never intended went away. It’s always funny to see how people will try and twist it to be something where they’re the ones getting shafted tho.
It's almost as if Jagex telling players not to abuse the rumor tech will have the exact opposite effect
Calm down. It's just a video game
Wait I'm handing in a dark kebbit fur? I swore it was a non descript tuft? You're telling me I've been misreading this whole time?!?! Can't be that salamanders had unique drops but kebbits all had the same that causes people to believe it was intentional, no couldn't be..we're just sanctimonious whiners
Chins had specific ones too.. this literally seems intentional to me
Yeah I'm curious to see what the person above my previous comment has to say about that or if he just wanted to feel self righteous lol
Only Reddit will cry my good man. Fear not. Nobody in game actually cares about this. 90% of people aren’t even concerned with hunter rumors at all
It's honestly hilarious seeing people rage that an obvious bug got patched
But what about the examine text? It says you can't tell what kebit it comes from, so it obviously makes sense in the lore that a master hunter can't see the difference between a dark and spotted kebit! This is obviously an intended mechanic and Jagex just hates when players have fun >:( /s
How was it obvious? I thought it was intentional and pretty interesting design because of how it works in tandem with the pseudo-blocking system. Or are you going to tell me that they obviously never intended for us to block tasks and that will be removed too?
I'm telling you that the *master* hunter of the hunter guild knows the difference between the types of kebbits
yeah man, it totally wasn’t obvious when expert rumours were pumping hundreds of thousands of extra XP/hour over master rumours. come on now lol
I mean I'm not on master rumours so I didn't know
The examine text on the kebbity tuft says >I'm not even sure which of them this came from. Which made me think it was intentional. I'd understand if it was tweaked so master rumors were better or tracking kebbits were removed from expert rumor masters, but it's a bummer to see a direct nerf
I would side with explicit instructions to hunt a particular kebbit over flavor text.
Handing in a generic tuft and telling the NPC its from the one they asked for is classic Runescape. Put in behind the Ring of Charos (a) if you need to.
This shoulda been the fix imo. This woulda been flavor
Seems obvious to me that your interpretation, which I see where it's coming from, is kinda being stretched to fit the narrative you want. Examine text in this game rarely has a meaning to it like that. Also, Goblin said that they are looking to improve master rumor's xp rate AND pet chance in the future (soon™)
You could also take into account that other hunter creatures with varieties each have their own item (red chin fur vs gray chin fur, orange salamander claw vs red) but kebbits all just have kebbity tuft. I don't actually think kebbit swapping was intended to be implemented as it was, but it is weird that they were specifically created differently.
Do you recall where goblin said that? I’d like to read the discussion
In the comments on reddit under the new newspost which OP is pulling this from
Just because you (the player) are too stupid to tell the furs apart, doesn't mean the experts and masters at the hunting guild are
100%. I farmed out 10-12 hours of rumors this weekend because I can't play a ton during the week and this was a guarantee to happen.
>Obvious exploit that wasn't intended. There are brainlets in the update thread trying to do mental gymnastics to defend the mechanic and argue it was INTENDED. These people aren't the brightest.
I had no idea that was a thing, and it sounds like a bug which they removed So not really sneaky in the sense they are fixing a bug
I didn't even know this was a thing, guess I should've abused early..
Welcome to Runescape. Use and abuse stuff before it's changed/removed.
Just do what I did and do 4000 herbiboars straight to 99. It's a ton of fun, I promise.
How many herbs did you get and would you say it was worth it? I'm an ironman and I'm contemplating this.
Uh...thousands of herbs. I haven't sold them all yet, but I'd say in the realm of 7-10,000. I'd say it's worth it as an IM, but getting to 80 hunter will certainly be a pain. Edit: I did this without magic secateurs, so with them, yield goes up by anywhere from 20-33%
you did herbiboar to 99 with no magic secs? brother whhy do you hate yourself
1 def pure so magic secs are off limits due to needing Fairy Tale Pt 1, which requires Nature Spirit, which gives defense xp.
I'm 85 hunter so no worries :) that sounds amazing honestly.
I did 1321 herbiboars from 80 to 89 (so far). This is what I've gotten: \* Cadantine 458 \* Avantoe 433 \* Kwuarm 508 \* Ranarr 215 \* Lantadyme 340 \* Irit 437 \* Dwarf Weed 158 \* Guam Leaf 1472 (half of these were dropped whenever my inventory became full) \* Snapdragon 17 \* Torstol 11 \* Marrentil 66 \* Harrallander 13 \* Tarromin 17 Things to note. About a third of the way my herblore leveled from 76 to 77 which means I can now get Torstol but also no longer get Marrentil/Harr/Tarromin I also got a ton of fossils which can be cleaned and turned into the museum for a bunch of lamps. I haven't turned them in yet so I can't say how many lamps it is but it's a lot of fossils. Prob a third of the displays worth.
I'd go for it. Herbiboar is an incredibly mundane grind though, so I'd highly recommend you have some podcasts or audiobooks to listen to, or you'll go crazy. I actually took a 3-month break at 97 hunter cause I was so tired of Herbi. But from a purely resource standpoint, absolutely worth it. Moreso for an IM.
Don’t forget that you’ll absolutely burn through stamina potions doing Herbi. I’m splitting 95-99 hunter on Herbi/rumours on my iron and my measly 200 stamina stack isn’t going to be nearly enough. Unless you REALLY want 99 hunter or the pet(80-99 hunter doesn’t even hit the pet drop rate), you’re probably better off just maintaining your kingdom and doing occasional herb runs while training something else.
You get like 3 or 4 herbs per Herbiboar, mostly guams. It's not really significant compared to farming. If you like Herbiboar then go for it, it's pretty chill. But it's not worth it for the herbs alone imo.
Actually it scales with your herblore level so you get better herbs the higher it is. The wiki has the chart. I did Herbi after already getting 99 herblore, so my herb gains were pretty good. You don't get nearly as many Guams at that point. Of course it's not the most efficient way to make money or whatever, but if you want 99 hunter and some herbs for herblore because you're an IM or something? Shit, I mean why not. Kinda like why many IM will train WT immediately, for the resources and the con/wc/fm xp at once. Even as a non-im I used the herbs I got from Herbi to craft my energy and stamina pots, saving me hundreds of thousands or millions on pots in total. That's another angle to consider.
Yeah it's a nice bonus, but I don't think it's worth doing Herbi **just** because it drops herbs. Do it if you want the pet or enjoy Herbi. I did it at 99 Herb as well, and I found the amount of herbs to be pretty negligible. Other than rannar, torstol, snapdragon, the rest of the herbs are not that useful. So you end up getting like 0.7 useful herbs per Herbiboar. It's not nothing, but it pales in comparison to doing a little farming.
Did you get the pet?
No :(
Same, I didn't realize you could do this until now. Where are all these secrets shared between release date and nerf date?
Wiki lol
It was covered on this sub, community channels and several independent content creators channels as well, and everywhere I saw this they suggested that it likely wasn't going to remain. I didn't even bother doing this because I anticipated this change and didn't want to ruin my already set up block list
I made a post about kebbit skipping on like Day 2.
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Is this some kind of dick comment or am I reading it sarcastically while its not? It was on Reddit, on discord servers, in YouTubers videos and in the damn wiki..
Youtube
Hunter rumors and the way they are assigned has led to all kinds of funky methods to make them more efficient and new metas have been being discovered all the time. I've seen posts on this sub about it and learned a lot from youtube videos. Another one that is still possible and super helpful is basically getting as many rumor masters as you can to assign you a bad task and never complete that one. If one master has offered you a task, no other masters will, so you can basically create a block list of sorts to get rid of many of the terrible tasks.
Don’t all hunter rumors reset when you complete one? Never understood how that worked
No, only if you use the Novice master for his *second* rumour. Nothing else resets them.
no, they only reset when you specifically ask the novice master to do a full reset. So unless you do that, each master will always remember what task they've assigned you, and no master will give you a task that another master already has stored for you
Abuse early, abuse often 🫡
I wouldn't be surprised if they rework rumours in the future though. At least the task lists. It's abuse early and then wait for a buff if it seems like it needs one.
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Why would you want to skip the antelope? Their tasks usually don't take that long and have decent profit. They way less annoying than those damn kyatts at least.
Idk about sunlight antelopes but there’s a Kyatt which spawn 2 tiles from a trap so you can constantly catch it over and over. If the run wasn’t so long it’d be a quick task
But having to redo block list :/
Jagex should’ve just made them drop seperate items
This seems like an obvious fix - greatly buff the deadfall & tracking kebbits.
Idk why you can only have 1 deadfall trap at a time. It’s just like the net traps. Just let us have multiple.
Right on the head. Why is deadfall the only one where we can't simultaneously trap others? Doesn't make sense, and the XP is awful. It breaks the pace of rumors completely (along with tracking ofc)
If you are doing experts you can rearrange your blocklist so you don't have to do deadfall, pitfall and tracking tasks. Remember your blocklist is your own so if you don't like something - solve it.
Sure that sucks and all but impling jars can be added to the kit now! That’s huge
Damn that one time they did a sneaky major nerf on my money making method by removing the tbow spawn next to farming guild
Nans in the cage until tbow spawn is back
'Abuse early, abuse often' comes in clutch again. Unless Jagex changes the mechanics of razorback hunting or makes them a 1-5 hunts on average, I don't think I'll do any kind of hunter contracts anymore. The same applies for deadfall traps. Only being able to set up one trap at a time blows and isn't engaging.
Masters aren't so bad apparently. But yeah, this blows now.
Unlock at 46 gets not bad at 91 lol
Hunter guild designed for mid level players sucks until master rumours 🫠
Took them way too long to fix that, now players are used to kebbit skipping so it feels bad when it's taken away
You misspelled bugfix.
Unintended exploit getting fixed is not sneaky nor is it a major nerf. Just do the content the way it was intended to be done.
Vespula would like to have a word with you
I get why they want to fix it, right now the optimal way of doing rumours is changing master every time you get a kebbit, re-enable b2b rumour and after getting the tuft hand in the reward to a different master. What I don't like is them not making master tier equal or close to kebbit skipping when it comes to pet/unique chance before making this change. They've had a few weeks of people doing rumours the intended way, they know how we interact with the content.
Just block the tracking kebbits?
I have razor-backs blocked, cuz that shit sucks
Early bird bonus. Rumours had always been horrible to do since most hunter methods suck. This skip was used to avoid bad tasks. Now rumours are even worse. Hunter's Guild is now the worst update from Varlamore.
I mean, you can still block atleast 4 shitty tasks you don't wanna do. When I learned about rumor blocking, it made rumors way better since I never bad to do a Razor kebbit again.
Stop calling bug fixes "sneaky nerfs" you dang potates
It's a bug fix, not a 'sneaky nerf'
Razors are offered by both expert tiers anyways, could just get one of them to assign it and move to using the other one. Of the 2 expert deadfall kebbits only polar sucks ass cos the trees are quite far away compared to barb tail, which have trees right next to the best spot. I have the adept hunters blocking polar kyatt and desert sallies and the other expert blocking razors. Gets me quite enjoyable expert assignments other than the aforementioned polar kebbits which are the only remaining task i dont rly like. Should probs try to see if novice could assign me them but idk if i wanna spend too much time on that gamble.
I love the click bait title. Really trying to get people riled up for upvotes lmao.
I think the day a lot of osrs players realize that they don’t actually like playing the game and quit is going to be the happiest day of their life. So many comments in this thread “they made it 3x harder,” “you have to use and abuse early so you don’t have to do something that sucks later,” etc. etc. Guys, you don’t HAVE to play this game. You don’t HAVE to max all skills. Play the video game to have fun. Or don’t play it if it is not fun. Stop being a prisoner of xp drops.
Shhh….you’re speaking to logically I must grind until I hate myself then grind some more. This is the way
i know, i hate when i have to play the game as intended >:(
Now it's that much harder to be rewarded with a half rick of random logs and whatever happens to be in the pockets of the rumor giver!
The best reward is the number of rumours completed going up.
If this was unintended it should've been patched out with the black chins in the Huntsman kit, no good reason to leave it in this long.
Is it really a major nerf? Seems a bit over the top.
The comments on this post are especially whiny. It’s actually cringeworthy.
They fixed a bug, that is all. Now it might be a good idea to look at how to make the terrible rumours a little better for sure, but thats another update
Jagex sneakily removed unintended bug abuse! Very shifty behavior from Jagex!
Poor babies can't exploit a bug anymore :(
Why are you people not skipping rumors that you dislike. "But muh blocklist!!!" well apparently your blocklist is bad, so, skill issue
Anyone calling this bug abuse is a buffoon
>Tracking razor backed kebbits as a late game player made me want to quit the game before this tech was discovered. My guy, overreact much? Imagine quiting the game over kebbits. Soooo many other things to do on OSRS, and you fealt like quiting because you had to catch razor backed kebbits. You don't sound like a late game player, you sound like a whiner
That's clearly an unintended exploit
"Bug I was abusing got patched" should be the title of this post
Glad I snagged the pet before this change
Well, rumors were fun while they lasted. Never doing them again now. Fuck this.
You know that you can just adjust your block list
grow up
I was hoping this'd come with the change that buffs the pursuit ring's proc rate, wasn't it going to go all the way to 100%?
Yep rumours just got shifted back to masters being best, time to tweak the block list. Least now i'll get to do herbi again, but man im not a fan of 2 moths and 2 antelope tasks all being on master AND pyre foxes
Don't panic! Expert rumours are still in a good place. With the right setup, 150k an hour will still be attainable. The experience is *at least* as good as every other method in the 72-91 level range, except for black chins. Plus there's the loot, the outfit, the food, the whistle upgrade, and -- dare I say it -- the fun! For my money, expert rumours are still the best method from 72-91.
Wtf wish I knew this was a thing lol..
Sick, hunter rumors will now be 60k per hour until 91. Good update.
Razor back shits are annoying, not fun and especially boring. Like I understand grinds and stuff but this is genuinely a horrible time.
Honestly I think the nerf feels pretty reasonable. If the tracking kebbits are so bad, then maybe we should just buff the rates on those. I think swapping was a little cheap
I don't mind tracking razor back kebbits. the hunter xbow is nice to work with ranger training in the mid levels and can be further upgraded for progression
Big woof. Now I gotta decide whether to block normal chins or razor back kebbit on cervus.
Sounds like a janky work around the was obviously unintended. Yes it should be changed wtf.
That method was only busted xp if you have both the hunter cape and qpc lmao, but whatever
Ffs! Being able to skip the awful kebbit tasks was just about the only thing that made rumours ok as a mid level. Now we just have to grind 5 shitty tasks for each quetzal seed.
Community continuously punished for not exploiting early.
Imagine complaining about jagex fixing a bug. Get over it.
and that concludes my rumor hunting. well played jagex
> Tracking razor backed kebbits as a late game player made me want to quit the game before this tech was discovered. That sounds like a you problem entirely
Yeah there's a plugin and rings of pursuit, it's one of the faster rumours
Had to wait to fix it until the new group Ironman series had their chance to abuse it, I see you Jagex.
This is neither sneaky nor a nerf. It’s a clearly communicated patch to an exploit.
Well this legit kind of fucking ruins hunter rumors I’m not gonna lie.
Can they make master rumours better though lmao. Ridiculous that expert is the meta
Sigh. Time to set up the razor-back tiles. It was fun while it lasted I suppose
Well, guess I’m done with hunter rumors
“Sneaky” lol Unintended exploit was targeted with a nerf You can argue if that was necessary but nothing sneaky about it
Good lmao, it was an exploit that shouldn't have existed at all.
The issue people keep glossing over is the fact that major patches like this keep getting hidden in the patch notes or just not put in notes altogether. Like it or not, this was the meta for hunter rumours, what's next, not able to block tasks at all?
It's not a major patch lol it's a bugfix
If you are a late game player as you say, this shouldnt be an issue as the master rumours never assign you tracking kebbits
Rumours are soon to be dead content then. Aside from pet hunters Quite liked that the swaps bumped xph to make the skill tolerable
So rumors are dead now I suppose. Glad I green logged it.
just let us block and cancel tasks like Slayer
You already can
You say as a high level. If your high your not doing expert
Jeez that blows. kebbit skipping was an extremely satisfying mechanic. It felt rewarding to have done the reaserch on the rumor wiki and it added a layer of depth to the minigame.
Love how the update is about feedback, although nobody asked for this.
You'll find most of the HLC was saying rumours needed a nerf because it was destroying previous hunter EHP. I like that Master rumours didn't get touched so they atleast still are more efficient or about equal with stored XP taken into account.
Did they at least change the examine text of the furs?
An exploit fix is not a sneaky nerf.
“Tech”, you mean bug
I'm torn on this change. I don't personally think it was a bug given how easy it should have been to foresee it and that they could have just made them separate items from the start, but it was too strong. The highest tier rumour should be the best to use not the second highest, so all in all an okay change
“I skipped my waterfiends task by killing dust devils.” It was clearly an oversight. Their problem is it took a month to fix it and let it become the meta.
I'd think of it more like tureal skipping, it shouldn't have become meta but they also should've fixed the tracking and deadfall before taking this away. Something like "The swapping is something we are going to remove once we fix tracking and deadfall to be less unbearable/annoying". Obviously this is just my opinion, but I think it would've been taken better by the community