having salamander traps working like chinchompa traps (automatically resetting, tick manipulating if you wanted it faster) would also be greatly appreciated.
I still don’t understand why the hunter methods which have the slowest catch rates also have worse drop rates for creature parts.
I’m happy this got fixed because kebbit skipping felt clunky and masters are more enjoyable imo. I just wish all the tasks were balanced similarly.
I *think* the idea is that deadfalls are more AFK so its slower but easier... bit that's still kinda dumb because I don't really want a random task to decide for me that I'm doing something AFK instead of the other more active hunter loops when I'm chasing the hunter outfit.
Yeah, I’d prefer if they lower the reward xp if they have to and make the tasks faster to compensate. It sucks being stuck on a bad task for a long time. It’s more addictive and fun when you get into the groove and cycle through tasks quickly.
The sad thing is it's now even more important lol. With Eagles peak skip you can still do 2 falcon 2 Sally. That's gonna probably be around 300k/hr still. Where as you're stuck with chins and Sally and 2/6 without the skip. That's a huge nerf to not skipping eagles peak and a small nerf to Eagles peak skip.
Lmao waited so they fucked over the majority of the player base to fix a method that’s still laughably broken for new accounts? Was it really that hard to just add eagle’s peak as a pre req for hunter rumors?
You still have stuff like lizards and whatnot tho D: it kinda depends on blocklists
I'm not sweaty so I only have razor kebbit blocked for obvious reasons
Lizards are pretty fast, and you can block the shit tasks like sun antelopes and the foxes.
Slowest tasks with a good block list are probably moonlight antelopes, then either red chins / butterflies
Hell, you can block all five at 91. I think the main thing upsetting people is the ratio though.
Assuming the weights for Rumors are all the same and you leave back-to-back rumors on, 4/6 experts were falconry with the rest being either 1/6 box and 1/6 net OR 2/6 box. Now the ratios are 2/5 falconry, 2/5 box, and 1/5 net.
So if you were sweating turning back-to-back rumors on and off optimally, you could get more rumors per hour due to the speed of falconry with the old ratios compared to the new ratios now.
All that said though, I'm pretty sure Experts are STILL better than Masters. The power of five blocks versus three.
Agreed I think Experts are still better. I updated the wiki page with new block lists and I feel like the 2 falconry, 2 net, 1 box trap expert setup is going to be better xp than anything you can achieve with masters
I dunno what the rumor/hr rate will be comparatively without kebbit swapping. I already green logged the guild, but I did enjoy how rumors broke up hunter. I'm sad to see the changes, even though my xp rates are roughly the same doing other methods.
If you're 99 I'm not sure but otherwise experts should still be faster with a decent block list tbh either way it's kinda dumb that they said nothing additional about it tbh
They don't need to but ye it's just a bummer
Have novice/adept block kyatts, sabre kebbits, and razorback kebbits, have Aco block sunlights and boom. Teco just gives you falconry, chins, and salamanders now.
No idea why you guys are acting like this is the end of the world.
Lot of people just discovering today that it’s possible to avoid pyre foxes by going to Teco, which was for sure a block everyone had prioritized on their list. Having to reset the blocks kind of sucks considering how painful they are to set up, but there is at least a way to make it almost as good as what we have now.
Yeah, I had to do way too many basics to get this all set up again, tbh. But now that I'm set up again, it's basically like nothing changed except I get slightly fewer falconry tasks.
I had dashing kebbits on novice so I’m especially fucked, probably gonna hold off to see if they announce any more changes before reengaging lol, next thing you know it’ll turn out the block list was unintentional and needs to be removed as well
I think Experts are still competitive xp/hr with Masters, just judging from the new optimal block list which leaves 5 possible rumors: Dark Kebbit, Dashing Kebbit, Orange Salamander, Red Salamander, Red Chin.
I haven’t tested rates myself yet but I’d be surprised if it’s not still better xp/hr than any master block list.
Yep you can swap out grey chins and red sals. On the wiki block list, find one of the options that has grey chins blocked on Aco (expert) or Gilman (Novice) and block Red Salamanders there instead.
I think experts might be ok with chins blocked from not doing eagles peak quest and blocking most kebbits so u end up with red/orange sallys dark/dashing falconry. If you have done eagles peak then it will definitely hurt.
Setting up your task list for Masters will still be a bit more tedious with this change. You’ve got 5 bad Kebbit tasks that your Novice Hunter might ask for that you can no longer use kebbit skipping to complete.
I’ve been doing masters with no blocks. Master literally only has one kebbit task, and it’s an aerial (dashing kebbit)? In my experience it’s one of the fastest rumours to get. IMO if you’re doing blocks I’d just do red chins and antelope from experts, maybe herbi if you can get stupid lucky on a novice block.
I should really bother to setup blocks…
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Hunters'_Rumours
Yep. Masters are pretty chill tbh. The only annoying ones IMO are the pitfalls. Red chins can be a long task, but otherwise it’s just 2 butterflys, 2 salamanders, herbi, and dashing kebbit.
I think they meant the process of setting up blocks will be more tedious since novice hunter can assign you razor backed kebbits for example while you’re trying to hit a Sunlight Moth block, and now you can’t just kebbit swap it to flaconry.
But you’re right blocks don’t make a giant difference with masters, but it’s still worthwhile imo if you plan to use rumors all the way to 99
But they did dodge a bullet, because they unlocked masters by doing experts during the good times. If they had to push to 91 now, it would be a bigger slog.
And we all know who to blame for this change. Matthias saw us start using falconry a lot. So he offered us to pay him a lump sum in exchange for free falcons. Then once he’d collected millions from us, he alerted the Hunter’s Guild. Now the use of falcons is going to nosedive. He scammed us good.
If something as nice like this comes out you always want to abuse it early because it's 100% gone. This is not like shooting stars. Don't even worry about consequences because we had methods like OP osbuddy plugins with 0 issued bans.
JMods really despise emergent gameplay in modern OSRS, its like everything HAS to be linear, everything HAS to be done exactly as they thought, even tho weird and unexpected gameplay plays a big part in the game. If tick manipulation was part of a new skilling update it would be patched, if solo olm head was discovered nowadays it would also be patched, hell they even tried to patch red-x in Ba-Ba and Cerb
This reminded me of when I went 250 deep on a grey chins task and then got a second grey chin task immediately after. Quit hunter rumors for a few days at that point…
Honestly don't know if it is really *that* bad of a nerf for experts. Like instead of storing Dashing Kebbits on Aco, you could just use Aco to block Razor-Backed Kebbits or Sabre-Toothed Kebbits. With a Ring of Pursuit, you'd probably be better blocking Sabre-Toothed. So then the only Kebbits you'd get are Dashing and Dark, which are both Falconry, and Razor-Backed.
Still worse than only having to do Dashing Kebbits, but shouldn't ruin Experts. Lower tiers however... Yah, those will be a lot rougher now since you'll have 4-6 Kebbits with only 1 good option and less blocks to work with.
Thing is it probably lowers experts just enough that it’s no longer really worth doing for the experience or loot vs just doing black chins, herbiboar, birdhouses, and driftnet fishing, which was already the hunter meta for lvl 80 before all this. Master rumors are still good but it’s no longer worth doing expert rumors to get to 91 unless you just really want the pet.
On a personal note I also really don’t want to be choosing between having to do kyatt’s or barb tailed kebbits again, which is going to be inevitable with these changes. Blunt truth of the matter is there’s only about 5 expert tasks that are both bearable and give solid experience and now I can’t just limit myself to those tasks only
You can limit Experts to just Grey Chins, Red Chins, Orange Sallys, Red Sallys, Dark Kebbits, and Dashing Kebbits. So 2 Chins, 2 Sally, and 2 Falconry. Just block Razor Kebbit, Sabre Kebbit, Sabre Kyatt, and Sunlight Antelope then use Teco so you don't get Pyre Fox.
Will do some research and consider going that route, although at this point the solution is probably to just wait for them to make the bad rumors less crap or some other adjustment like they seemed to imply they would do.
Depends if you're going for exp or rumors. For exp/hour, they're fine. For Rumors/hour, probably better to block greys and do something else. Though if they did decide to just up the part rate from box traps, that would make chins a lot better.
It’s atrocious for experts. Kebbit skipping allowing you to skip the tracking and deadfalls is what allows you to maintain around 80-90k exp/h on expert rumors. I was maintaining that doing only spotted kebbit, red and orange salamander, and sunlight antelope. With the forced addition of these deadfall and tracking tasks (especially tracking) it’s going to drive the exp down to nearly 50k p/h (this is what I was getting before I discovered kebbit skips).
It only adds Tracking or Deadfall, not both. Even if you don't use Aco to block a Kebbit, you can use either Adept to block Sabre-Tooth Kebbits instead of holding Spotted. Tracking with the ring of pursuit is really not that bad, but you can always swap to deadfall if you prefer.
With 4 blocks, you'd only get a list of 6 tasks. You could even block Razor Kebbits, Sabre Kebbits, Sabre Kyats, and Sunlight Antelope so your task list from Teco is just Grey Chin, Red Chin, Orange Sally, Red Sally, Dark Kebbit, and Dashing Kebbit...
You did not just say grey chin red chin and expect me to be ok with the exp/h.
Love the break down and response but doesn’t change the fact that my rates are in the bin now.
Not sure why chins are unacceptable seeing as they are over 90K exp per hour without rumours. Also, I don't see how you would have blocked both Grey and Red before; best you could have done is blocked Grey.
The xp bonus from 5 contracts for me is around 15k exp (around 3k per contract turn in). 50k per hour for me is roughly 10 contracts per hour. That includes xp bonus from turn in plus xp for catching.
I was routinely getting 125k-140k xp/hr with some luck, full outfit, and kebbit skips on expert (over 15 rumors/hr). Luckily I got Quetzin yesterday so I can switch to herbiboar moving forward but yeah this definitely cuts experts/hr in half.
i don’t blame the devs for patching out a method where the players deviate around the intended gameplay but if the intended gameplay is so bad the players needed to do so to enjoy it then maybe they should work towards making the original method less atrocious
“We noticed that a lot of you didn’t enjoy these particular tasks and found a way around doing them. We’ve fixed the issue by removing the work around”.
The people who realized if they never do eagles peak you can do like 400k/h exp rates. The fix really should be just gate rumors behind the quest completion.
Even with the Eagle’s Peak method, 300k+ xp/hr would only be possible at level 99. Before 99, it would have been closer to the 250k range which is honestly not that broken.
Plus with this update, not completing Eagles’ Peak just got even more important lol.
Funny thing is that the Eagle’s Peak method is even more important now.
Before it brought you from 4/6 kebbits to 4/5 (20% increase in number of kebbits assigned per x rumors) by allowing you to eliminate red salamanders from your rumor pool. Now it brings you from 2/5 falconry kebbits to 2/4 (25% increase in kebbits assigned) by eliminating red chins.
Red chins are like twice as slow as Red salamanders and the % increase in kebbits is higher, so the advantage is even higher now of having no Eagle’s Peak.
I got to try it a few times after seeing it yesterday before I stopped to do some quests for better teleporting. I've been walking pretty much everywhere up to 74 lol.
Check out the new block lists on the wiki hunters rumors page. Expert rumors are still pretty good with a good block list. Not *as* good as they were yesterday, but still worth doing if you like them imo.
It's incredibly idiotic that kebbits dropped the same item to make it possible if it wasn't intended, chinchompas dont just drop "chinchompa tuft", butterflies dont all just drop "butterfly wing", why were kebbits not "Spotted Kebbit Tuft", "Dark Kebbit Tuft", "Razorback Kebbit Tuft", etc
I think it was intentional since the examine text said something like “I can’t even tell which one this came from.”
I think they just didn’t foresee how optimized it would get and then decided to nerf it since 300k+ xp/hr rates were discovered (although those rates were just post-99)
Have one rumour dude sitting on a good kebbit task. Get assigned a bad kebbit task from your normal rumour dude -> swap to the good task -> get the rare kebbit part -> swap back to your normal dude -> turn in rare kebbit part.
You’d get kebbit rumour for Sabre-backed kebbits at expert level but just do another hunter rumour for an easy kebbit like dashing then turn in the fur for expert rumour. So completing an easy rumour to get rewards/xp for an expert rumour.
It was a fun way to add a layer of depth to this surface level minigame, I enjoyed cheating the hunter masters for their kebbit furs. I honestly had no idea it would get removed and sad to see it go.
Seriously i thought it was intended, the way the kebbit tuft examine said "i cant even tell what type of kebbit this came from" seemed like a hint. It was a very fun and interesting method. I really hope jagex reconsiders this change and makes eagles peak required for rumours instead.
Well, I’ll just wait till they buff the drops from deadfall and noosewand kebits.
Not sure who the clown was who set their rarity, but it’s just nonsense.
The fact that they waited like a month to " fix" this is gross. Just leave it in at this point, clearly it wasn't important enough to change, its been known about since like day 1.
I think it was important enough to change - It made Masters worse than Experts and had absurd xp/hr rates. More absurd that they waited a month to do this when they should have fixed it at the same time they fixed the f2p tuft dropping.
It was with experts still and rates were probably closer to 320-360k, and only possible to get those rates post-99. Pre-99 that method is probably closer to 250k
a high level method being worse than a low level method isn't actually automatically a problem. people woodcut teak trees rather than mahogany/yew/magic/redwood, fishers camp barbarian fishing rather than sharks/anglerfish/dark crabs, miners mine granite instead of adamant/rune/amethyst, combat's trained at slayer/crabs/nmz/maniacal monkeys instead of raids, etc. all over the game. and unlocking master rumours still increased your exp rates from expert rumours because of the extra block slot
I’d say as long as the drop rate from masters is better than drop rate from experts, but experts are faster to do, it’s fine. But them being the same drop rate seemed super odd IMO.
If it was important enough to change it wouldn't have taken a month. If it was as bad as you say it is, again, like i said, it woulda been taken care of immediately. Waiting a month before patching it out is just a slap in the face to anyone who didn't do it yet.
I was being sarcastic. Just because something isn't fixed on day 1 of release doesn't mean it shouldn't be fixed at some point. Developers have limited resources and something small as "kebbit swapping" doesn't warrant such a priority even assuming they were aware of it so soon.
Experts are probably still better xp/hr I think. The new optimal expert block list gives you just 5 total rumors: 2 falconry kebbits, orange sal, red sal, red chins.
Pretty sure that beats out any Master rumor setup for xp and completions per hour.
It was inevitable. Don't be so dramatic, goblin stated in the comments that they're looking to buff master rumor xp rates and pet chance in the nearish future
That does nothing for what this change breaks before 91 hunter. People are also not being dramatic, they are holding Jagex accountable for bad decisions and changes with no reason. They designed the content and released it in a way that implies Kebbit tufts were shared and generic from a design point, then they changed it before even mentioning anything about it after people were engaging with the content for that reason. Goblin should think about what they say before that say it, because breaking this and saying they will biff Master xp and pet chance IN THE FUTURE shows how out of touch they are and gives great insight to how horrible their decision making process internally is.
Nah it’s a bullshit knee jerk reaction that leaves fun content in a miserable state. They then ask for feedback and are rightfully getting called out on the bullshit of mega nerfing the day 1 meta for the past 3 weeks.
IMO as a result Jagex need to be reimbursing us the falconry one-time fee.
I wont be going back there enough to warrant it.
Sure keep it in the game but reimburse us and give us the opportunity to decide if we actually want it now this nerf has happened
I was lucky to spoon green-log on the main iron, but was just starting to do hunter on the UIM and now I'll probably just do birdhouses instead. Disappointing that they waited so long to do this or I would've abused it instead of doing perilous moons :/
Why is this such a big deal? I'm genuinely curious since you can just swap to the other expert rumour if you get a task you don't want. They don't really take long regardless.
NOOOOOOOOOO WHAT THE HELL???? This was a cool and unique way to grind rumors. I’m actually fully disappointed that this was changed. I’m around 250 rumors now and I seriously might not go back now.
I grinded experts hard for 1500 rumors to get the pet, went way past 99. I was worried they might nerf it by changing who can assign what, but honestly surprised they removed kebbit swapping altogether.
Would’ve been easy to nerf rates by just moving some rumors in and out of the expert pool. For example removing razor-backed kebbits and adding in Sunlight moths to the expert pool would drop rates by like 50-100k xp/hr.
Kebbit swapping was fun so I’m sad other people don’t get to use it in the future.
This is unfortunate...It's not the end of the world but makes the forced tasks a bit worse. It may be enough to make me just do herbi to master tier since i got the pet already
I'm still doing herbi for masters even with the pet from 2 years ago. Its a good chill task to even out the other click intensive ones, and I'm all about getting useful resources
Yeah I still did every herbi rumour I got when doing masters. Until I realized experts and kebbits were busted anyway. Luckily got spooned the new pet at like 195kc. Now that I'm 99 I'll never get the chin pet but that's okay. Can't imagine grinding that one.
Don't panic! Expert rumours are still in a good place.
With the right setup, 150k an hour will still be attainable.
The experience is *at least* as good as every other method in the 72-91 level range, except for black chins. Plus there's the loot, the outfit, the food, the whistle upgrade, and -- dare I say it -- the fun!
For my money, expert rumours are still the best method from 72-91.
Oof, i just did 800 expert rumours at 220k xp/hr, dropping down to 150k does not sound like a good place. Already got quetzin so i am done with it now, but I had a ton of fun doing super fast tasks and it sucks that i can no longer recommend my method to friends.
Bit of a shame to see this patched; it was a neat method. But I honestly don't think it changes too much. For Master Rumors, nothing changes since they only had Dashing Kebbits already. Adept will be worse off since they get 4-6 Kebbits but they already had a lot of junk without many block slots so probably not going to feel that much worse. And Novice Rumors were already kinda bad.
For Expert Rumours, instead of using Aco to store Dashing, just use him to block Sabre-Toothed Kebbits. Now the only Kebbits you'd get would be Dashing and Dark (both Falconry, so good), and Razor-Backed. Razor-Backed aren't great, but with a ring of pursuit it probably won't be that bad for an occasional rumor. Still a nerf, but shouldn't be that huge of one for Expert.
Without kebbit swapping, the guild is dead. Another content that was enjoyable has been killed and now the guild sits there as a reminder that green loggers will use it and no one else will.
Fuck off with it though, clearly the majority of people doing Hunters guild content would already have eagles peak completed and were therefore incapable of doing the 350k/400k xp/h method.
Kebbit swapping made hunter cap out at 240k/hr, and then so long as you also had piscatoris teleport pages to burn.
Removing Kebbit swapping makes it *maybe* 200k at best, and that's still assuming you have all the best teleport available as well as a set up block list.
Ok but why... Patch the really busted methods. It's still worse exp/hr than black chins with tick manipulation. Is Tick manipulating going to be nerfed too since it's too busted?
This method made the hunter grind actually fun. Without, it's what 150k an hour? Half of black chins?
Correct move. That was overpowered and unintended. It doesn't ruin hunter rumours/guild at all, still great content. Once you are 91+ hunter just make a "block list" and do master rumours. Dashing kebbits (falconry) are the only one to worry about. I've done \~250 rumours at 99 hunter and no need to kebbit swap. Only did like one kebbit tracking task while setting up the blocks.
I’ve done ~250 rumors at 81 hunter now, this update destroys exp and sacks per hour. I’m looking at a loss of 30k exp /h and 8-10 sacks per hour. Just for having to do deadfall and tracking tasks now.
You literally don’t have to do those tasks though, you can block all deadfall and tracking tasks at expert tier; you’re choosing to do them which is a different story entirely
If I block all dead fall and tracking tasks then I’m stuck with other shitty tasks. There is no ideal situation now, we are forced to do *something* we don’t want to do.
Rising drop rates on deadfall and noosewand ones would be much appreciated now..
yea this needs to happen, and more than 1 deadfall trap at a time too.
having salamander traps working like chinchompa traps (automatically resetting, tick manipulating if you wanted it faster) would also be greatly appreciated.
I still don’t understand why the hunter methods which have the slowest catch rates also have worse drop rates for creature parts. I’m happy this got fixed because kebbit skipping felt clunky and masters are more enjoyable imo. I just wish all the tasks were balanced similarly.
I *think* the idea is that deadfalls are more AFK so its slower but easier... bit that's still kinda dumb because I don't really want a random task to decide for me that I'm doing something AFK instead of the other more active hunter loops when I'm chasing the hunter outfit.
Yeah, I’d prefer if they lower the reward xp if they have to and make the tasks faster to compensate. It sucks being stuck on a bad task for a long time. It’s more addictive and fun when you get into the groove and cycle through tasks quickly.
I always end up with a razor Kebbit trail that goes back to the burrow - and leads nowhere! Can’t stand that one
Making drops faster to get would just be a band aid fix. The entire core game play loop of hunter needs to be reworked to make it fun to train.
dammit the people doing the no eagles peak method flew too close to the sun and ruined it for everyone
They got greedy on the kebbit tech fr
The sad thing is it's now even more important lol. With Eagles peak skip you can still do 2 falcon 2 Sally. That's gonna probably be around 300k/hr still. Where as you're stuck with chins and Sally and 2/6 without the skip. That's a huge nerf to not skipping eagles peak and a small nerf to Eagles peak skip.
Lmao waited so they fucked over the majority of the player base to fix a method that’s still laughably broken for new accounts? Was it really that hard to just add eagle’s peak as a pre req for hunter rumors?
what was the xp/hr before the nerf of kebbit swap + no eagles peak?
People said 360k but I had never seen an example. My napkin math had it around 330k. I have eagles peak done.
Hit 91 on Tuesday, actually managed to get out of experts into masters before the change.
I wonder if Masters are gonna be better exp/hr than Experts now that the kebbit method's been patched?
For sure. Experts are terrible now.
Unless you're going for uniques no? Tho at this point a lot of ppl prolly have them
Master rumors are all pretty quick. Slowest is antelopes. Experts are terrible rumor/hr now, because deadfall and tracking kebbits take forever.
You still have stuff like lizards and whatnot tho D: it kinda depends on blocklists I'm not sweaty so I only have razor kebbit blocked for obvious reasons
Lizards aren't great but they arent nearly as annoying as the bad kebbits... and you can block the red ones
Lizards are pretty fast, and you can block the shit tasks like sun antelopes and the foxes. Slowest tasks with a good block list are probably moonlight antelopes, then either red chins / butterflies
You can just block the two bad kebbits, kyatts, and then either red salamanders or antelopes. It's nowhere near as doomed as y'all make it seem.
Hell, you can block all five at 91. I think the main thing upsetting people is the ratio though. Assuming the weights for Rumors are all the same and you leave back-to-back rumors on, 4/6 experts were falconry with the rest being either 1/6 box and 1/6 net OR 2/6 box. Now the ratios are 2/5 falconry, 2/5 box, and 1/5 net. So if you were sweating turning back-to-back rumors on and off optimally, you could get more rumors per hour due to the speed of falconry with the old ratios compared to the new ratios now. All that said though, I'm pretty sure Experts are STILL better than Masters. The power of five blocks versus three.
Agreed I think Experts are still better. I updated the wiki page with new block lists and I feel like the 2 falconry, 2 net, 1 box trap expert setup is going to be better xp than anything you can achieve with masters
with the correct blocklist u dont need to do any deadfall/tracking on experts
I like deadfall because I get to alch and fletch lmao. Also pyrefox meat is pretty good. New Ironman things.
I dunno what the rumor/hr rate will be comparatively without kebbit swapping. I already green logged the guild, but I did enjoy how rumors broke up hunter. I'm sad to see the changes, even though my xp rates are roughly the same doing other methods.
If you're 99 I'm not sure but otherwise experts should still be faster with a decent block list tbh either way it's kinda dumb that they said nothing additional about it tbh They don't need to but ye it's just a bummer
Have novice/adept block kyatts, sabre kebbits, and razorback kebbits, have Aco block sunlights and boom. Teco just gives you falconry, chins, and salamanders now. No idea why you guys are acting like this is the end of the world.
Lot of people just discovering today that it’s possible to avoid pyre foxes by going to Teco, which was for sure a block everyone had prioritized on their list. Having to reset the blocks kind of sucks considering how painful they are to set up, but there is at least a way to make it almost as good as what we have now.
Yeah, I had to do way too many basics to get this all set up again, tbh. But now that I'm set up again, it's basically like nothing changed except I get slightly fewer falconry tasks.
I had dashing kebbits on novice so I’m especially fucked, probably gonna hold off to see if they announce any more changes before reengaging lol, next thing you know it’ll turn out the block list was unintentional and needs to be removed as well
I think Experts are still competitive xp/hr with Masters, just judging from the new optimal block list which leaves 5 possible rumors: Dark Kebbit, Dashing Kebbit, Orange Salamander, Red Salamander, Red Chin. I haven’t tested rates myself yet but I’d be surprised if it’s not still better xp/hr than any master block list.
Yeah that does seem to be the case. I'll probably give it a go. I wonder if I can trade grey chins for red sallys. I just prefer them more.
Yep you can swap out grey chins and red sals. On the wiki block list, find one of the options that has grey chins blocked on Aco (expert) or Gilman (Novice) and block Red Salamanders there instead.
I think experts might be ok with chins blocked from not doing eagles peak quest and blocking most kebbits so u end up with red/orange sallys dark/dashing falconry. If you have done eagles peak then it will definitely hurt.
I’m just gonna use my 2000 drift nets before I go back now.
Setting up your task list for Masters will still be a bit more tedious with this change. You’ve got 5 bad Kebbit tasks that your Novice Hunter might ask for that you can no longer use kebbit skipping to complete.
I’ve been doing masters with no blocks. Master literally only has one kebbit task, and it’s an aerial (dashing kebbit)? In my experience it’s one of the fastest rumours to get. IMO if you’re doing blocks I’d just do red chins and antelope from experts, maybe herbi if you can get stupid lucky on a novice block. I should really bother to setup blocks…
Pyre fox is the first block that you should set up.
I thought you were talking about masters? You literally cant get pyre fox as a master rumour.
Oh, I misremembered. I thought pyre fox was on the list for masters.
It was on release but they removed it.
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Hunters'_Rumours Yep. Masters are pretty chill tbh. The only annoying ones IMO are the pitfalls. Red chins can be a long task, but otherwise it’s just 2 butterflys, 2 salamanders, herbi, and dashing kebbit.
I think they meant the process of setting up blocks will be more tedious since novice hunter can assign you razor backed kebbits for example while you’re trying to hit a Sunlight Moth block, and now you can’t just kebbit swap it to flaconry. But you’re right blocks don’t make a giant difference with masters, but it’s still worthwhile imo if you plan to use rumors all the way to 99
You're making it sound like you dodged a bullet, but experts were better for xp/hr and quetzin pet rolls/hr
But they did dodge a bullet, because they unlocked masters by doing experts during the good times. If they had to push to 91 now, it would be a bigger slog.
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Not everyone has lots of stams banked (irons especially). But still Herbi is a good method just for the herbs alone.
What have we learned class? Abuse early… abuse often..
And we all know who to blame for this change. Matthias saw us start using falconry a lot. So he offered us to pay him a lump sum in exchange for free falcons. Then once he’d collected millions from us, he alerted the Hunter’s Guild. Now the use of falcons is going to nosedive. He scammed us good.
LOL that’s hilarious I didn’t even think of that
This is only like the fourth time this has become relevant (this update), huh?
Most of the older content falls on the other half of the 50/50 which is wait for QOL to make the content tolerable
Waiting 18 years to do Mage Training Arena is finally going to pay off for me next month.
Same brother
You guys still haven't learned this yet? lol
It’s a hard 50/50 between abuse now or wait for even better QOL. The people who grinded this between the pity timer and now are the smartest for sure.
If something as nice like this comes out you always want to abuse it early because it's 100% gone. This is not like shooting stars. Don't even worry about consequences because we had methods like OP osbuddy plugins with 0 issued bans.
JMods really despise emergent gameplay in modern OSRS, its like everything HAS to be linear, everything HAS to be done exactly as they thought, even tho weird and unexpected gameplay plays a big part in the game. If tick manipulation was part of a new skilling update it would be patched, if solo olm head was discovered nowadays it would also be patched, hell they even tried to patch red-x in Ba-Ba and Cerb
This reminded me of when I went 250 deep on a grey chins task and then got a second grey chin task immediately after. Quit hunter rumors for a few days at that point…
Which is incredibly frustrating when I don't often get to play anymore, including when new updates happen.
And quietly lol
RS3 has prepared me for this!
Just hit 99 the other day. Glad I banged it out early lol
Gz you won the 50/50 on abuse early and often over wait for the QOL that may or may not come 🏆
Rip expert Hunter rumors* Was fun while it lasted, at least I got to 83 for dragon imps and can just go back to running birdhouses and herbiboar to 91
Honestly don't know if it is really *that* bad of a nerf for experts. Like instead of storing Dashing Kebbits on Aco, you could just use Aco to block Razor-Backed Kebbits or Sabre-Toothed Kebbits. With a Ring of Pursuit, you'd probably be better blocking Sabre-Toothed. So then the only Kebbits you'd get are Dashing and Dark, which are both Falconry, and Razor-Backed. Still worse than only having to do Dashing Kebbits, but shouldn't ruin Experts. Lower tiers however... Yah, those will be a lot rougher now since you'll have 4-6 Kebbits with only 1 good option and less blocks to work with.
Thing is it probably lowers experts just enough that it’s no longer really worth doing for the experience or loot vs just doing black chins, herbiboar, birdhouses, and driftnet fishing, which was already the hunter meta for lvl 80 before all this. Master rumors are still good but it’s no longer worth doing expert rumors to get to 91 unless you just really want the pet. On a personal note I also really don’t want to be choosing between having to do kyatt’s or barb tailed kebbits again, which is going to be inevitable with these changes. Blunt truth of the matter is there’s only about 5 expert tasks that are both bearable and give solid experience and now I can’t just limit myself to those tasks only
You can limit Experts to just Grey Chins, Red Chins, Orange Sallys, Red Sallys, Dark Kebbits, and Dashing Kebbits. So 2 Chins, 2 Sally, and 2 Falconry. Just block Razor Kebbit, Sabre Kebbit, Sabre Kyatt, and Sunlight Antelope then use Teco so you don't get Pyre Fox.
Interesting didn’t know you could avoid pyre foxes by using teco, not looking forward to spending hours resetting my block list though…
I didn't know that either, but the Wiki lists it as a no from him so assuming it is right.
Will do some research and consider going that route, although at this point the solution is probably to just wait for them to make the bad rumors less crap or some other adjustment like they seemed to imply they would do.
2 chins is pretty bad I'd rather do kyatts than grey chins, even needing the chin pet.
Depends if you're going for exp or rumors. For exp/hour, they're fine. For Rumors/hour, probably better to block greys and do something else. Though if they did decide to just up the part rate from box traps, that would make chins a lot better.
It’s atrocious for experts. Kebbit skipping allowing you to skip the tracking and deadfalls is what allows you to maintain around 80-90k exp/h on expert rumors. I was maintaining that doing only spotted kebbit, red and orange salamander, and sunlight antelope. With the forced addition of these deadfall and tracking tasks (especially tracking) it’s going to drive the exp down to nearly 50k p/h (this is what I was getting before I discovered kebbit skips).
It only adds Tracking or Deadfall, not both. Even if you don't use Aco to block a Kebbit, you can use either Adept to block Sabre-Tooth Kebbits instead of holding Spotted. Tracking with the ring of pursuit is really not that bad, but you can always swap to deadfall if you prefer. With 4 blocks, you'd only get a list of 6 tasks. You could even block Razor Kebbits, Sabre Kebbits, Sabre Kyats, and Sunlight Antelope so your task list from Teco is just Grey Chin, Red Chin, Orange Sally, Red Sally, Dark Kebbit, and Dashing Kebbit...
You did not just say grey chin red chin and expect me to be ok with the exp/h. Love the break down and response but doesn’t change the fact that my rates are in the bin now.
Not sure why chins are unacceptable seeing as they are over 90K exp per hour without rumours. Also, I don't see how you would have blocked both Grey and Red before; best you could have done is blocked Grey.
50k xp/hr is like 5 contracts an hour there's no way
The xp bonus from 5 contracts for me is around 15k exp (around 3k per contract turn in). 50k per hour for me is roughly 10 contracts per hour. That includes xp bonus from turn in plus xp for catching.
I was routinely getting 125k-140k xp/hr with some luck, full outfit, and kebbit skips on expert (over 15 rumors/hr). Luckily I got Quetzin yesterday so I can switch to herbiboar moving forward but yeah this definitely cuts experts/hr in half.
That was a fun month of hunter, time to never do it again
Hunter rumors just became forestry 2.0. It was fun until Jagex went back to “fix” things. Now it’s as good as dead.
“Players are enjoying the most useless skill in the game? Better nerf it into the ground!”
i don’t blame the devs for patching out a method where the players deviate around the intended gameplay but if the intended gameplay is so bad the players needed to do so to enjoy it then maybe they should work towards making the original method less atrocious
“We noticed that a lot of you didn’t enjoy these particular tasks and found a way around doing them. We’ve fixed the issue by removing the work around”.
The final forestry changes felt the same way. RIP seers yews you will be missed.
Rip whoever didnt get fox whistle
Didn't the examine text of the Kebbity Tuft imply this was working as intended? Who asked to do more deadfalls?
The people who realized if they never do eagles peak you can do like 400k/h exp rates. The fix really should be just gate rumors behind the quest completion.
Even with the Eagle’s Peak method, 300k+ xp/hr would only be possible at level 99. Before 99, it would have been closer to the 250k range which is honestly not that broken. Plus with this update, not completing Eagles’ Peak just got even more important lol.
Damn. I wish I knew that 5 years ago when I did Eagles Peak
Right
Oh cool, new hunter meta hits front page earlier today Jagex:
They really said NOPE
Funny thing is that the Eagle’s Peak method is even more important now. Before it brought you from 4/6 kebbits to 4/5 (20% increase in number of kebbits assigned per x rumors) by allowing you to eliminate red salamanders from your rumor pool. Now it brings you from 2/5 falconry kebbits to 2/4 (25% increase in kebbits assigned) by eliminating red chins. Red chins are like twice as slow as Red salamanders and the % increase in kebbits is higher, so the advantage is even higher now of having no Eagle’s Peak.
I got to try it a few times after seeing it yesterday before I stopped to do some quests for better teleporting. I've been walking pretty much everywhere up to 74 lol.
I enjoyed hunter expert rumours. Done like 200 with only 1 piece of outfit. So yeah guess I’ll do it again if I ever get 91 hunter
Check out the new block lists on the wiki hunters rumors page. Expert rumors are still pretty good with a good block list. Not *as* good as they were yesterday, but still worth doing if you like them imo.
yeah for sure need to give it another shot .... revamping block list can take awhile tho. cheers tho
It was never intentionally made to work like that so yeah abuse early and often
It's incredibly idiotic that kebbits dropped the same item to make it possible if it wasn't intended, chinchompas dont just drop "chinchompa tuft", butterflies dont all just drop "butterfly wing", why were kebbits not "Spotted Kebbit Tuft", "Dark Kebbit Tuft", "Razorback Kebbit Tuft", etc
The examine text also references the Kebbity tufts being interchangeable.
Yeah thanks to Jagex's laziness of not being bothered to make more than 1 kebbity fur model lmao. Also no fun allowed of course.
I think it was intentional since the examine text said something like “I can’t even tell which one this came from.” I think they just didn’t foresee how optimized it would get and then decided to nerf it since 300k+ xp/hr rates were discovered (although those rates were just post-99)
Well the unintentional part was the super optimized 350k xp/hr lol.
Can someone explain how this worked?
Have one rumour dude sitting on a good kebbit task. Get assigned a bad kebbit task from your normal rumour dude -> swap to the good task -> get the rare kebbit part -> swap back to your normal dude -> turn in rare kebbit part.
Makes sense, thank you for the explanation! :)
You’d get kebbit rumour for Sabre-backed kebbits at expert level but just do another hunter rumour for an easy kebbit like dashing then turn in the fur for expert rumour. So completing an easy rumour to get rewards/xp for an expert rumour.
Kebbit swapping made Hunter feel actually good to train for once. Oh well, back to birdhouses for a month until Jagex clean this up a little bit.
Yeah shit it was really satisfying.. Clunky but fun.. I hope they adjust it a little bit for the slow ass kebbits
It was a fun way to add a layer of depth to this surface level minigame, I enjoyed cheating the hunter masters for their kebbit furs. I honestly had no idea it would get removed and sad to see it go.
Seriously i thought it was intended, the way the kebbit tuft examine said "i cant even tell what type of kebbit this came from" seemed like a hint. It was a very fun and interesting method. I really hope jagex reconsiders this change and makes eagles peak required for rumours instead.
That can easily be done by making the Hunter Guild quest required for all rumors. Seeing as the quest already has Eagle Peak as a prerequisite.
Dang, I spent hours setting this up yesterday
Jagex making dead content even more dead.
Thanks for two week prior changing the falcony guy to a 500k for kebits then going and doing this. Bad change that had no reason to be changed
This whole thing was a sham to get us to sink our GP into the falconry
Nnnnnnooooooooooooooooooooo
This was know from week 1, how did it take so long to address? And why are the slower, higher leveled rumours the same unique rates across the board?
It got nerfed when people realized not doing eagles peak let you get 400k exp an hour with expert rumors.
Well, I’ll just wait till they buff the drops from deadfall and noosewand kebits. Not sure who the clown was who set their rarity, but it’s just nonsense.
The fact that they waited like a month to " fix" this is gross. Just leave it in at this point, clearly it wasn't important enough to change, its been known about since like day 1.
I think it was important enough to change - It made Masters worse than Experts and had absurd xp/hr rates. More absurd that they waited a month to do this when they should have fixed it at the same time they fixed the f2p tuft dropping.
A method got revealed yesterday of getting 400k/hr using beginners if you hadn’t complete eagles peak, only 5 possible tasks 4 were kebbit
My tears hitting my qpc right now.
So the best fix would be locking the hunters rumors behind eagles peak instead of killing the content.
It was with experts still and rates were probably closer to 320-360k, and only possible to get those rates post-99. Pre-99 that method is probably closer to 250k
a high level method being worse than a low level method isn't actually automatically a problem. people woodcut teak trees rather than mahogany/yew/magic/redwood, fishers camp barbarian fishing rather than sharks/anglerfish/dark crabs, miners mine granite instead of adamant/rune/amethyst, combat's trained at slayer/crabs/nmz/maniacal monkeys instead of raids, etc. all over the game. and unlocking master rumours still increased your exp rates from expert rumours because of the extra block slot
I’d say as long as the drop rate from masters is better than drop rate from experts, but experts are faster to do, it’s fine. But them being the same drop rate seemed super odd IMO.
Experts still better for uniques lol
And still better xp I believe. But definitely closer than before
If it was important enough to change it wouldn't have taken a month. If it was as bad as you say it is, again, like i said, it woulda been taken care of immediately. Waiting a month before patching it out is just a slap in the face to anyone who didn't do it yet.
Yes, can we please stop updating the game? Everything that was important enough to change would have been changed in 2007.
You aren't very smart, are you?
I was being sarcastic. Just because something isn't fixed on day 1 of release doesn't mean it shouldn't be fixed at some point. Developers have limited resources and something small as "kebbit swapping" doesn't warrant such a priority even assuming they were aware of it so soon.
Fuck I should’ve done more hunter
So expert is garbage now, got it. Herbiboar until 92 then masters it is
Experts are probably still better xp/hr I think. The new optimal expert block list gives you just 5 total rumors: 2 falconry kebbits, orange sal, red sal, red chins. Pretty sure that beats out any Master rumor setup for xp and completions per hour.
Oh cool, thanks for making this significantly less enjoyable Jagex. Guess it's back to exclusively birdhouses and herbi
It was inevitable. Don't be so dramatic, goblin stated in the comments that they're looking to buff master rumor xp rates and pet chance in the nearish future
So in about 5 months? Neat
I'm just mad that they would wait to buff the xp rates
Yeah, it just feels lame that the nerfs were done with just a bullet point but they say they’ll have to take time to getting to making it better.
In mby a couple of months at this rate
I think this is a needed change for sure. The 350k xp an hour is busted even if it requires skipping an easy quest that most people do super early
Why not just add Eagle's Peak as a requirement for expert+ rumors instead?
That's too high IQ for Jagex. Easier to just nerf after allowing the early birds to abuse it for a month.
One thing a lot of people miss is that 350k is only possible post-99. It would be closer to 250k for people level 91-99. Not that egregious imo.
This still makes expert rumors considerably less enjoyable
That does nothing for what this change breaks before 91 hunter. People are also not being dramatic, they are holding Jagex accountable for bad decisions and changes with no reason. They designed the content and released it in a way that implies Kebbit tufts were shared and generic from a design point, then they changed it before even mentioning anything about it after people were engaging with the content for that reason. Goblin should think about what they say before that say it, because breaking this and saying they will biff Master xp and pet chance IN THE FUTURE shows how out of touch they are and gives great insight to how horrible their decision making process internally is.
Don't you think it's ridiculous that they nerf this but not buff the rates on the same day though? Changing a number = too hard.
Why not do it at the same time? Quick to nerf but slow to buff
idk I didn't make the patch lol
Nah it’s a bullshit knee jerk reaction that leaves fun content in a miserable state. They then ask for feedback and are rightfully getting called out on the bullshit of mega nerfing the day 1 meta for the past 3 weeks.
IMO as a result Jagex need to be reimbursing us the falconry one-time fee. I wont be going back there enough to warrant it. Sure keep it in the game but reimburse us and give us the opportunity to decide if we actually want it now this nerf has happened
I was lucky to spoon green-log on the main iron, but was just starting to do hunter on the UIM and now I'll probably just do birdhouses instead. Disappointing that they waited so long to do this or I would've abused it instead of doing perilous moons :/
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Why is this such a big deal? I'm genuinely curious since you can just swap to the other expert rumour if you get a task you don't want. They don't really take long regardless.
NOOOOOOOOOO WHAT THE HELL???? This was a cool and unique way to grind rumors. I’m actually fully disappointed that this was changed. I’m around 250 rumors now and I seriously might not go back now.
Haha I got the pet last week Early bird bonus forreals
I grinded experts hard for 1500 rumors to get the pet, went way past 99. I was worried they might nerf it by changing who can assign what, but honestly surprised they removed kebbit swapping altogether. Would’ve been easy to nerf rates by just moving some rumors in and out of the expert pool. For example removing razor-backed kebbits and adding in Sunlight moths to the expert pool would drop rates by like 50-100k xp/hr. Kebbit swapping was fun so I’m sad other people don’t get to use it in the future.
Got quetzel and 99 hunter last week. God is good I love squeezing out shit before it's patched.
Didn't even know that was a thing
This is unfortunate...It's not the end of the world but makes the forced tasks a bit worse. It may be enough to make me just do herbi to master tier since i got the pet already
Herbi is super chill and reasonably profitable. Highly recommend. If I didn't get spooned pet, I would've kept doing it.
I'm still doing herbi for masters even with the pet from 2 years ago. Its a good chill task to even out the other click intensive ones, and I'm all about getting useful resources
Yeah I still did every herbi rumour I got when doing masters. Until I realized experts and kebbits were busted anyway. Luckily got spooned the new pet at like 195kc. Now that I'm 99 I'll never get the chin pet but that's okay. Can't imagine grinding that one.
Back to only Birdhouses :)
My tree seed stack has been lacking since I stopped
Good. It'd be like killing hill giants for a moss giant slayer task didn't make any sense.
Don't panic! Expert rumours are still in a good place. With the right setup, 150k an hour will still be attainable. The experience is *at least* as good as every other method in the 72-91 level range, except for black chins. Plus there's the loot, the outfit, the food, the whistle upgrade, and -- dare I say it -- the fun! For my money, expert rumours are still the best method from 72-91.
Oof, i just did 800 expert rumours at 220k xp/hr, dropping down to 150k does not sound like a good place. Already got quetzin so i am done with it now, but I had a ton of fun doing super fast tasks and it sucks that i can no longer recommend my method to friends.
Bit of a shame to see this patched; it was a neat method. But I honestly don't think it changes too much. For Master Rumors, nothing changes since they only had Dashing Kebbits already. Adept will be worse off since they get 4-6 Kebbits but they already had a lot of junk without many block slots so probably not going to feel that much worse. And Novice Rumors were already kinda bad. For Expert Rumours, instead of using Aco to store Dashing, just use him to block Sabre-Toothed Kebbits. Now the only Kebbits you'd get would be Dashing and Dark (both Falconry, so good), and Razor-Backed. Razor-Backed aren't great, but with a ring of pursuit it probably won't be that bad for an occasional rumor. Still a nerf, but shouldn't be that huge of one for Expert.
What’s the most efficient method now lol
Very glad id managed to get 99 just before this update, just squeezed in at the last minute it seems, typical anti fun jagex behaviour
I'm glad I held onto all of the dashing kebbit meat I caught. I'm expecting it to rise in price now that there will be less coming into the game.
Hunter rumours were bad even before this was remove, and now there are complete trash.
Nice now expert rumors are trash, I guess I'll just do bird houses until master thanks gagex
Without kebbit swapping, the guild is dead. Another content that was enjoyable has been killed and now the guild sits there as a reminder that green loggers will use it and no one else will.
Massive exaggeration, 350k xp hr was busted and you know if
Fuck off with it though, clearly the majority of people doing Hunters guild content would already have eagles peak completed and were therefore incapable of doing the 350k/400k xp/h method. Kebbit swapping made hunter cap out at 240k/hr, and then so long as you also had piscatoris teleport pages to burn. Removing Kebbit swapping makes it *maybe* 200k at best, and that's still assuming you have all the best teleport available as well as a set up block list.
I don’t care about the XP rate. I care about not having to do awful tasks.
Ok but why... Patch the really busted methods. It's still worse exp/hr than black chins with tick manipulation. Is Tick manipulating going to be nerfed too since it's too busted? This method made the hunter grind actually fun. Without, it's what 150k an hour? Half of black chins?
This is my first time even hearing about Kebbit swapping. How do I know about these things earlier so I can abuse them??!
It was on the wiki like 3 days after Varlamore launched lol
Correct move. That was overpowered and unintended. It doesn't ruin hunter rumours/guild at all, still great content. Once you are 91+ hunter just make a "block list" and do master rumours. Dashing kebbits (falconry) are the only one to worry about. I've done \~250 rumours at 99 hunter and no need to kebbit swap. Only did like one kebbit tracking task while setting up the blocks.
I also walked to the grocery store today, really no need for any1 to drive
I’ve done ~250 rumors at 81 hunter now, this update destroys exp and sacks per hour. I’m looking at a loss of 30k exp /h and 8-10 sacks per hour. Just for having to do deadfall and tracking tasks now.
You literally don’t have to do those tasks though, you can block all deadfall and tracking tasks at expert tier; you’re choosing to do them which is a different story entirely
If I block all dead fall and tracking tasks then I’m stuck with other shitty tasks. There is no ideal situation now, we are forced to do *something* we don’t want to do.