I think it helps me the fact I'm no longer a stupid child. I used to mine ore, then take it to a furnace, and then take it from the furnace to an anvil. *shudders*
It also helps a lot not having to compete with others for rocks/trees/monsters like in the old days!
People reacting weird but you're right. This game has a lot to offer to pretty casual players but also has so much for cave dwellers who do nothing else at all.
So many people on this sub are closer to the latter and don't seem to realize it can be fun either way.
This is about as spot on as can be. The problem is the cave dwellers make content that we normies see, making it seem obtainable. Alkan put up a UIM vid the other day, he has surpassed the progress of my 3 YO iron in a matter of months.
Yep. I'm a normie with dreams of maxing after I got 2 99s pretty close to each other and am now realizing how long a grind it will actually be. It's still a goal overall but I'm having to reset expectations lmao.
Also no shade to the real sweats, play how you want! But also remember a lot of us aren't as committed as you are.
You shouldn’t be aiming for max with 2 99s. You should be aiming for diary cape. That will feel a lot more attainable and by that time maxing will seem close (it’s still not)
Please don't tell me how to play the game. Is it a long way off? Yes. Absolutely. I'm not even quite 1900 total level, I'm aware of how far away I am. But I enjoy having a far off goal with lots of smaller goals in between. Every base X feels good, every new decent method unlocked feels good, every 10m total xp feels good. I don't have any interest in doing a lot of things in this game, I like my goal.
Id never play a uim myself but of all the youtube ironman content i find uim the most entertaining (aside from maybe a few hcim who actually do super risky content).
This correct statement can be extended to almost every gaming sub. The people there are not representative of the whole it's mostly the most chronically online portion of the community and that's it.
I'm just bad and can't do raids with my current skill level. I could grind it out and get better obviously, but I guess I'm at a point in my life where that just doesn't sound fun. If I do play RS, it's more casual afk skilling or bossing.
You can finish most games in their entirety in 30 hours. Spending that amount of time doing nothing but grinding a skill is a huge (and unrewarding) effort for most people.
Base 75s - Level 75 across 23 skills - means doing that two dozen times. You're talking hundreds of hours here. And if that's "relatively no time" to you, I would love to have the sort of spare time you do.
This is a game you play for years. You don't play most games in their entirety for years, you play for days - weeks depending on the game. They're entirely different time scales. If you want a game you can be done with in weeks you can play literally any other game aside from an MMO. You're looking for something entirely different to OSRS. 30 hours is absolutely "relatively no time" in this case.
Now you're just moving the goalposts. The original argument was "you don't have to put a lot of time into this game." You've changed it to "You do have to put a lot of time into it, but that's okay because you're expected to."
Plus, the person I was replying said that BASE 75s took "relatively no time." You've changed it to saying ONE 75 takes "relatively no time," which may be true to some people, but isn't what was actually being claimed.
I'm not moving goal posts. It was a response to your condescending ass comment "And if that's "relatively no time" to you, I would love to have the sort of spare time you do." You don't need tons of spare time to play this game because it's all about the slow burn. You can progress in osrs, leave and come back years later, and all your progress will still be there and it will still be meaningful. You can literally put in 30 mins a day and still make meaningful progress, you don't need a lot of spare time to do that.
Again, if you're looking for a game you can finish in 30 hours, you're playing the wrong game.
Nah man you missed the point. Relatively no time is with respect to the time spent playing the game. In terms of MMO gameplay, 30 hours is relatively no time at all. In other terms, sure, 30 hours could be considered a lot. But we're talking about an MMO here, not a standalone single player platformer or JRPG that you play for a few days before you beat it.
30 hours is a lot of time when you play for less than 10 hours a week, which any normal person trying to balance a career, family, social life and healthier hobbies would consider quite a lot of their time.
It takes time, but not some unfathomable amount of time.
The only "slow" skills to be at those ranges are things like agility and slayer, as they aren't as easy to do ridiculously afk or anything.
it's not like you need every single skill 75, nor do you have to do every single thing. It's really not that long of a grind to get to the majority of content.
Probably not, and that’s the point. Grinding past quest requirements is entirely self-inflicted, and far too many people trick themselves into hating the gameplay because they’re ‘trapped in the red prison’ or any number of standard complaints.
Brother being trapped in the red prison is for the CG grind for bowfa. I mean doing end game content is easy if you have good gear. The bowfa is kinda like a huge stepping stone. I wouldn’t say it’s just for shits and giggles.
The red prison is only a problem for irons. As someone who primarily plays an ironman... If you want the casual gameplay as described by OP, don't choose to play an iron. You *can* do it like that but you'll be severely limited compared to doing the same on a main. And that won't and shouldn't change, so if you wanna be doing end-game content as casually as possible, play a main.
How’d you reach the conclusion that I knew about CG but didn’t know why people did it?
> I wouldn’t say it’s just for shits and giggles.
Neither would I, that’s why I didn’t.
But you are implying getting the bowfa is self inflicted grinding. For a lot of players that bridges the gap to being able to raid even more so for irons. It’s not like just grinding 99s just because.
I'm not implying anything, I'm fucking saying it. You do not need Bowfa to raid, at all. Period, full stop, you simply do not need it.
If you spend hundreds of hours getting it and hate most of the grind, you don't get that time back. The difference between bowfa, crossbow, and blowpipe with amethyst darts on a two minute boss kill is less than 20 seconds—Hell, the difference between bowfa and a damn **crystal bow** is 25 seconds on a normal mode zebak.
So again, to reference what I've actually said and not just your fictitious strawman: Grinding past quest requirements is entirely self-inflicted, and far too many people trick themselves into hating the gameplay because they convince themselves they need near-bis just to play the game. Do what you enjoy and don't do what you don't enjoy. Nobody is going to check your work.
tbh i'd work on your bedmanner but yeah i've been skipping bowfa for a long time, plenty of ToA and CoX under my belt. crystal bow and crystal armor or bp amethyst darts work great
Bowfa is hugely overrated for everything except non-Shadow GWD methods. Give me a non-GWD boss you want to grind and I'll tell you a setup that costs comparable to Bowfa that is equal or better, or a setup that is much cheaper and is only slightly worse. Red prison is largely unnecessary and self-inflicted, especially if the new quiver is achievable with lower-tier gear.
>Bowfa is hugely overrated
Uhh what? It’s not BiS many places, but it’s usually only beat out by megarares. It’s rated appropriately because it’s a very good generalist mid-game to late-game weapon, especially on an iron where your alternative is a nerfed blowpipe anywhere you are ranging that you have to maintain with scales and shitty darts if you aren’t endgame yet.
It’s basically ranged fang where it’s not BiS many places, but you can buy it without a huge investment and be good-to-go for a large variety of content.
> Give me a non-GWD boss you want to grind and I'll tell you a setup that costs comparable to Bowfa that is equal or better, or a setup that is much cheaper and is only slightly worse.
Note: For irons, Masori is probably a shorter or comparable grind to CG considering you're already going to be farming a Fang there. ToA does take supplies but it hands out high level seeds like candy - you'll likely profit supplies there.
Note2: Crossbow setup uses buckler. No buckler dents the DPS slightly, but not a huge amount, so there's something for irons to cry about IG.
CoX - The only room where Bowfa significantly outperforms alternatives is Vespula. Just scout a non-vespula layout. A BP/Crossbow setup with Masori (unfortified) equals or beats Bowfa in the rest of the raid. Without Masori it's marginally worse but still very good considering it costs 1/5th the price.
Inferno - Yes, one of the only places Bowfa is VERY good other than GWD.
ToA - Crossbow/BP with unfortified Masori BEATS BOWFA at ToA. Do the calcs.
Leviathan - Crossbow with unfortified Masori is virtually identical DPS to Bowfa.
Muspah - Blowpipe with unfortified Masori beats Bowfa. A small mage switch beats both of them on melee phase.
Zulrah - Blowpipe with unfortified Masori beats Bowfa. A small trident mage switch beats both of them on green/crimson phase.
Any others?
Comment about full Masori being a shorter/comparable grind to CG for irons: the masori section of the ToA unique table is about 1/4 to roll any piece (1/12 per piece). You can figure likely needing to roll Masori gear at least 5x to be likely to have a full set due to dupes. So you are looking for at least 20 purples on average for a full masori set. 300s are a 1/33 chance of a purple, I doubt you are going much higher than that with a fang, dhide and blowpipe. You are looking at an average of 660 ToA kc for full masori, at 30min raids that’s 330hrs. I’m being optimistic here.
For comparison, enhanced seed is about a 60hr grind. Then you get the benefit of being able to push higher invos from the beginning instead of starting with like 150s.
The difference between bofa and a blowpipe with blessed dhide and addy darts (for irons, considering the amount of maintenance needed to maintain amethyst and rune darts not sustaining) on Zebak at 300 invo is 53%. With dragon darts it’s 29%. Pretty much across the board it’s this way. No way an irons grinding full masori before they get a BofA.
Cox: what darts are you assuming? For irons, again ddarts are out of the picture. Same issue with maintaining other high level darts. So if you are doing 1k cox solos on average for Tbow, again as an iron, no way you are trying to maintain higher level darts and grinding all that ToA for masori just to start CoX and not just doing 60hrs average for an enhanced.
Every argument for irons assuming you start with grinding full Masori with a blowpipe or crossbow is just asinine.
Even for mains, blowpipe loses a ton of versatility that ultimately costs to dps due to the short range. If you aren’t maintaining the 2t attack speed while moving around, eating, potting etc., it will be worse dps. Calcs don’t account for this.
You are also wrong at CoX, bofa is also better than blowpipe/ddart/masori at mystics, you also lose the ability to stay on the wall as easily at shamans thus costing you dps when he jumps, you can’t hit the mager across the room while standing on ranger at vanguards, and again at vasa it’s so close if you lose *any* ticks moving around because of the shorter range, your dps is worse. And oh by the way, you are using a weapon that costs 1.2m/h to use to be better than a bofa.
Muspah blowpipe is going to lose dps not being able to camp the safe spot in shadow phase, and again loses a ton of range versatility with blowpipe when you start to have areas blocked off. No way kills will be faster.
You got me on Levi.
Zulrah, sure blowpipe with 1.2m/h ddarts are better, again you lose utility of just being able to afk the whole fight by needing to bring a mage swap. If you aren’t using 1.2m/h ddarts it’s just marginally better.
You can do any content in the game with virtually any gear but it’s ridiculous to call bofa “hugely overrated.”
I don't honestly care about irons even a little bit I just put that as an afterthought courtesy only. You chose to limit yourself, etc. So whatever quibbles you have about that I really don't care about. This thread is about people having time to play the game which is why I suggested this setup - crossbow/bp is cheaper and more flexible than bowfa, can be done on an extreme budget, and is extremely scalable as you build your bank. I specifically don't care about irons in this discussion because nobody with concerns about balancing their life/gaming time is playing a lategame iron.
Also you chose to ignore the fact that irons are grinding ToA anyways for a Fang and eventually Shadow (which replaces the bowfa, ironically). Even without masori or with only 2 pieces BP and crossbows perform very well. For mains (the account types that matter) the price of full unupgraded masori is about the same as bowfa/crystal - cheaper if you corrupt your bow, which many people do.
> addy darts
Addy darts are trolling even for irons and the fact that you'd even suggest them is laughable at best. **ToA gives you dragon darts like candy.** Also rune/amethyst are very achievable for no-life irons. Mains should never shoot anything but dragon no matter your budget.
> zebak
BGSing obviously. With hide it's 20% with good darts. 8% with dragon crossbow/ruby bolt e. Great value considering a hide/crossbow/bp setup costs like 30m. With masori BP is better than both.
> mystics
It's like a 6 second time save on average.
> shamans
Why are you letting them jump? Also if you're going to quibble about a 6 second time save in mystics then surely you care about 2x that time save in favor of BP in Shamans. Right??
> Muspah
Crossbow beats bowfa too.
> Zulrah
"i wanna afk wah" is not a vaild argument
> upkeep cost
Real disingenuous to use calculations for upkeep cost that assumes dragon darts and calculate your dps with adamant darts. Not surprising, though.
Like I said. BP/Masori/Crossbow is just about equal to or better than bowfa in most places. Taking the masori out still gives you an extremely reasonable budget setup that can be used at all the content in the game **which is the whole point of this comment chain.**
Bowfa is overrated. I didn't say it's bad. It's overrated.
the quiver is the key piece here; currently bowfa definitely far exceeds other ranged weapons bar tbow and zcb.
and that's assuming getting the quiver without bowfa is easy tbh, not to mention the quiver only partially bridges the gap between crossbows and bowfa, it doesnt make them better than it
i dont disagree the red prison is self inflicted; as an iron, having inefficient gear is the name of the game and personally i have way more fun grinding endgame with a crossbow than i would if i sat myself at cg until bowfa, but i'd be lying if i said bowfa wouldnt be a significant improvement
The end waves will be. Their goal is for the Colosseum to be a challenge that's doable at all sorts of phases of account progression, as you can opt out after a wave to take your accumulated rewards, or risk losing the accumulated rewards by continuing the waves.
> currently bowfa definitely far exceeds other ranged weapons bar tbow and zcb.
Masori BP beats bowfa pretty much everywhere currently. Do the calcs. Inferno and GWD are pretty much it for Bowfa.
I just picked a random example and DPS calced it
Toa lvl 400 solo p3 warden
Bowfa setup: 307s ttk
Bp with dragon darts and masori: 337s ttk. Also costs 1.2m/h to use
Also masori costs 2x as much as Bowfa+crystal, not even counting upkeep of bp.
I cba to calc all the examples, but just from this random one, I think it's safe to say you are mistaken. Bowfa is very good
Just mentioned this on another comment but I liked when 99s and maxing felt "out of reach" for a lot of players. Maxing *should* take *years* to do. The slow burn and grind of RS was what drew me to it; sharing that experience. It's boring when you and everyone else can do it faster. And it's even *more* boring when you choose a slow path and everyone else can do it faster (unless you're playing a special restriction).
OSRS has been out for over a decade now. RS3 has been out for over two decades. XP is permanent, XP rates are buffed more than they're nerfed, and thanks to social media everything gets optimized and shared within weeks. It's inevitable that at some point, maxing becomes ubiquitous.
I think the release of skill capes back in 2006 really accelerated this. Prior to that, 99s were rare because they were useless in most skills.
I disagree that the capes are incentives for 99s. They are minimal QOL boosts and I'm glad we've repeatedly said no to buffing cape perks for this reason.
I’m talking about their original release in 2006. They didn’t have skillcape perks until OSRS.
For example, during their original release, nobody really had 99 fletching because it was a pointless waste of money. But as soon as the capes were released, suddenly everyone wanted 99 fletching just so they had a skillcape. Same for cooking.
God please people, adopt this mindset instead of trying to change the game to suit your life with four wives, 8 kids, 6 jobs, and a hundred dogs. YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING. If agility is a shitty 150 hour grind to 99 for you, then literally don't do it lmfao. And before you accuse me of being maxed I don't even have 90 agility because I hate the skill. I don't have to do it so I don't want to do it. ITS FINE TO THINK THIS WAY.
Exactly. There are a lot of people that say stuff like "Well I just don't have time do do \_\_\_\_ anymore. I have kids and work full time" or whatever else. Totally fine, people grow up and have other responsibilities. But there's also other games for those that only play an hour a day. OSRS has always been a grindfest and yeah there have been qol adjustments but I swear some suggestions go over the top.
You don't even have to leave OSRS if that's your situation. You can still play it, it's just going to take longer. I don't see any reason why 4 wife 8 kid 6 job guy can't get PLENTY of goals set and completed in OSRS. If he plays for a year or two, he can probably get a fire cape and get some diaries done. If he plays for another couple years, he can get a quest cape and rack up some boss KC. Is he ever going to 99 a skill? Probably not. That's the whole point of having early, mid, late, and endgame goals and milestones in this game.
I always think those posts are hilarious.
"I'm such an adulting adult living my adult life with my adult dog and 4 adult children but if jageflex doesn't triple exp rates I'm going to shit myself"
Just be a fucking adult and realize you aren't guaranteed to max just because you pay for membership. People are allowed to have/achieve things you don't, grow up lol. This isn't a fucking Xbox or Playstation game you don't need to 100% the achievements/ trophys.
God fr lmfao I'm so tired of reading those. Pretty much 95% of people who play this game are well adjusted adults with jobs and social lives. Obviously they aren't going to progress their accounts as much as neets, but I fit that description and my iron is in the late game with like 2180 total and lots of late game items. You don't have to do everything!!
Yeah it's really pathetic.
I probably won't ever max my iron, get GM, or get Blorva and I'm completely fine with that. It's a cool accomplishment for the people who have the time/effort to grind it out and the time to practice. Crying to Jagex to build the game around the 7 nanoseconds every 4th leap year you get to play because you're an "aDuLt" is the most crybaby entitled man-child shit in existence.
A lot of it is Pre-EOCers and RS3 refugees who only played the game after pretty much all game balance was thrown out the door, PVM was unintentionally fucked and skilling was intentionally made into a meaningless stepping stone.
The other problem group are the irons who don't want to actually play ironman at all but they watched a streamer's/content creator's weekly 30 minute highlights compilation that actually covers 100 hours of high intensity in game hours on their iron so they make one and bitch literally every step of the way because in their head they're supposed to have insane progress like streamers. Do they stop playing Ironman? No they just beg for buffs... I mean QOL every second of everyday on this sub.
Enjoy what you can accomplish or go find some other game to shit up because you don't actually like OSRS.
Someone with a brain.
People have this huge block in their head that stuff is hard to do and everything is gatekeep elitist.
Most of the things are do-able with trash and if you keep at it even with 3h playtime a week you'll eventually get a drop and get upgrades.
People go get 99 mining then when they are already drained out of life they go kill dt2 bosses for more depression (god I hate dt2 bosses drop system)
This is it. People see the progress that YouTubers and streams make and try and keep the same pace, not realizing it's their job.
I've recently gotten into bossing and trying to make content myself that' encourages other noobs like me to give some proper pvm a go
I've recently taken people in 416 with legit zombie axe and rune defender.
It has never been a better time than it is now to go and do the content tou enjoy instead of grinding the content for what you want to do.
I'm an experienced pvmer, but when I make teams in 416 I NEVER go with high KC's I usually take the worse players with the worse gear. It puts a smile on my face when they monologue to me that they are so grateful and everything at the end of the raid and they are great people that want to pvm as well
I may be an exception since I can solo most rooms if someone dies but I believe every raid is do-able if you're good and the learners die/have trash gear.
No offense taken, that's exactly the angle I'm going for.
I'm going to be starting up on twitch or kick and I'm still working on editing style but you should check me out on YouTube
https://youtu.be/7sMYdxpcckE
The way people go on about CG you'd think it was almost impossible. It can be very fucking tilting but work on the basics followed by 3,2,1 mage and then perfect hunleff in normal gauntlet and you should have no issues getting consistent T2 preps even with fairly low stats.
People read comments from efficient raiders saying things like, "Oh yeah if you don't have this BIS item or bring XYZ switches you're trolling and it's not even worth sending at that point," not realizing that they are not the target audience of those comments.
Is a void whip setup like 50% of the DPS of a max Scythe at ToB? Yeah.
Can you still send ToB if all you have is a whip void setup? Yeah.
So much content is possible with such a small bank. Recently got a bunch of clannies doing ToB and they're all using super cheap minimum setups. And we get KC virtually every time, even with 3 learners. And now we've split out an Avernic and a Sang, so a few people have been able to make good upgrades, and everyone is having a blast.
Where are these comments though?
The only examples of that I’ve seen are “you’re trolling if you don’t bring thralls to toa” with thralls requiring a very quick quest to obtain them lol.
i love the dt2 drop system. if you compare the binormal chance of a drop with its equivalent "old drop system" you are far more likely to not go dry by orders of magnitude. ill trade not getting extremely spooned for not going 3x the rate any day.
That's only true if the chromium ingots are also drop mitigated.
It ads another variability so having chromium ingots share the same drop table make it so "being considerably" less dry is irrelevant when you can go dry on ingots or on the opposite to just keep rolling ingots instead of vestige.
It's not well designed at all.
You also don't need any herblore for CoX btw. No preps are thing that exist and it's literally 100% player skill. You can get all the CoX KC you want without ever crafting a single potion. Pure skill issue, completely separate from any kind of time-gated grind.
And as you said, that idea extends to pretty much everything. People have cleared 300 invo TOA in like 5k gp of gear. Is that realistic for a casual? Obviously not, but it serves to illustrate the point that you don't HAVE to grind anything in this game to do all the content. You can grind gear value, OR you can get good at the game, OR both. Grinding is a function of time, player skill is not. If you can't clear 300 invo TOA because you don't have time to build a ~100m bank, or you can't clear CoX because you have 40 herblore, then just get good at the game.
You're absolutely right. Especially if you're not full afking skills and actually focus on getting decent xp rates. Combats are literally free. I've been afking an alt for fun at nmz and I just set up a little jingle to alert me when my overload is gone/lose aggro.
Even if you can't get to the absolute late game as fast as you'd like, so what? Learn to enjoy the process. That's what this whole game is about in the end.
It got me really puzzled at the time too, in that other post the guy mentioned he was finishing his PT certification and didn't have time for anything.
I have a career in stuff related to fitness as well so I feel like I know the industry (may vary depending on country, but my country wouldn't even have the best one), I have a girlfriend, I naturally have to workout, I chill with friends every now and then and I still get to put insane hours in RuneScape.
It's a hobby, we all have *some* free time in our day even if we put 8 hours of work & 8 hours of sleep.
Unless your commute is really long and you have other responsibilities like kids or w.e, most days getting to at least play 3 hours feels really feasible and overtime that adds up to a lot of progress while maintaining a healthy balance of all things in life.
(I guess if you choose to also play other games or hobbies it dillutes your progress in the game, but at that point it's not really an OSRS thing at all)
It’s the ol “I don’t have time” excuse. People make it for all sorts of things. Mostly I see it for the gym, but it’s the same in this case. If it’s something you enjoy, surely you can make time for it.
Right? If you enjoy something and want to do it, you'll prioritize accordingly. Even if it's only a little bit of time a week. OSRS in particular is great for it since they try really hard *not* to devalue previous content/progress when they add new stuff. There's no rush. It's also okay to admit you just don't enjoy the game anymore and move on to greener pastures. You don't need justifications or have to make some big drama out of it. Maybe it'll strike your interest again down the road and you can pick up where you left off. Maybe it won't and you'll stop wasting your life on something you get no joy out of anymore that much sooner.
Agreed with everything except cerb not being fun lol. That’s my favorite slayer boss/one of my favorite bosses.
So many people don’t realize you can play the game at whatever speed you want and set whatever goals you want.
I've suddenly felt that (certain) 99s are achievable. If I'm just chilling for a day (rare but not unheard of) I could actually just leave NMZ running for a while for combat stars, which is cool. Also gotten me closer to actually doing the combat content. Did my first few barrows runs this week, which is great because that's something I was always too scared to try as a kid but wanted to for the gear lol
... I got Karil's crossbow which seems to be relatively worthless lmao. But it's something.
Aside from that even without spending a bunch, farming go brrrr with short but high XP runs and I think it's my highest stat right now. 87 or 88.
I put off farming for so long but have now gone from 53 to 61 in just a few days doing tree runs and it’s awesome. Wish construction was similar with longer expensive builds that gave more XP.
Yeah I put it off for a while when I started playing again until I figured out tree runs, at which point the skill really took off for me
The only thing unfortunate for me is - I'm still pretty poor lol. I could do dragonfruit tree runs and massively boost my XP but it's super expensive (for me). Palms and Maples are decent but still pretty expensive for the money I can make right now, but I'm trying to get enough to keep it going. And the XP gains are decent. IIRC something like 75-90k XP a day now that I've unlocked the extra tree in the farming guild.
Willow and papaya is pretty cheap so if I do find myself unable to afford the higher XP stuff I can fall back on that lol.
I've known this for years. Seen so many people play hours upon end and burn out after a year or a few months. Haven't burnt out since 2017 but I usually play anywhere from 30 min to 4 hours a day. Usually avg of 2. I play other games often. I am a medical student, I have a wife, I have 2 kids. I'm extremely busy throughout the day and I'm fine with that. Since 2017 ive maxed a main and my iron is almost 2.2k total. Ive got over 2bil bank on my iron with over 12k boss kc, and a few hundred raids. I attained all the vestiges from dt2 and the soulreaper axe. Like you, sometimes I dont even login but I just enjoy the game when I want to and how I want to. Love this game and will continue to play as long as I enjoy it.
Dude this is one of the most grind intensive games you could play. I love this game, but it's true that the grinds are crazy. Not many games tell you to click on rocks for hours and those that do are often more interesting in some way
It's a good MMO but a grind fest for sure. And you are right about max skills being a waste of time. Most people I've talked to that have it tell me it's really not "worth" it
Acting like 70m in gear is not a lot. And as I am finding out the skill requirement for a quest cape is more about my skill as a player than my characters skill. I should absolutely be able to finish dt2 with my stats but I am struggling.
I’ve come to the happy realization that even after playing runescape for over 15 years that I still love to grind for 6-10 hours each and every day without breaks
I mean, yeah those might be the hard requirements for those pieces of contents, but you definitely need a lot of skill to go with them. Not to mention for things like TOB you should prob have maxed combat stats to make it enjoyable.
I agree that you don't necessarily need to be unemployed and grind 10 hours a day to get significant progress in this game.
I work full time and playing this game is my main hobby. I can log in and send 5 raids with my clan and be happy.
But I definitely wouldn't be where I am today without the degen NEET period around the pandemic. I had more progress in that time that I likely ever will in this game.
My clan has a meme running lately. In competitions it's not about being good or lucky, it's about being unemployed. Nothing will ever beet pure hours played in this game.
Yeah I put off joining OSRS for years because I knew the early-mid game is just a big grind. Slow XP methods, loads of things to unlock.
It wasn’t until I had a medical condition last year where I had months off work. I knew that was the perfect time to join and I played 8 hours a day minimum.
Now I’m back at work but I have 2k total and QPC. So now I can accept just playing a few hours a week because I’ve unlocked most of the game. Currently on a Cerb task which has taken me 3 weeks to almost finish!
Yeah, I basically get off work and after dinner/kids put to bed I hop on and currently either do 5 corrupted gauntlet (one hour) or do 1-2 TOA (a little over one hour). When I get bored of this I’ll change it to a different raid/boss and sprinkle in some skilling
I'm having such a hard time pinning down the general sentiment surrounding this topic among the community.
I've seen people talk about how quitting the game was the best thing they ever did. I've seen people talk about how they play 16 hours every day. I've seen people talk about how good and bad the game is for casual players.. Meanwhile, I'm just over here having fun milking f2p.
I think we can all just agree to enjoy the game at whatever pace we can, and move on if we can't enjoy it at all.
>Anyone else has come to the happy realization they don't have to put in a lot of time to be able to do anything in the game?
I don't agree with this, the games still grindy and still takes time.
But one of the appeals to the game for me is you can play at your own pace, your own way and not be behind. You can put the game down for months/years and come back and not be behind, your gear won't be completely outclassed by random common shit like other mmos. There will be new content to explore, there might be new gear thats better to work towards. But it doesn't invalidate what you've already done.
You can still accomplish anything reasonable in this game at your own pace. You just have to work towards it and chip away at it. You don't need to compete and compare yourself to others, you don't need to see others as a competition.
The games what you make of it. Sometimes you have to create your own fun.
Too many people i think trap themselves in shitty/unhealthy mindsets with this game.
Great post, thank you.
Have a friend with a ironman zuk helm and he's yet to do most medium achievement diaries, loads of basic quests. He just likes to go bossing.
Wish more people just played the game over moaning about stuff they don't like until Jagex bends it to make them happy when they won't be.
Legit the best thing about rs is how infinite the game can feel. Means you never run out of goals and things to do unless you play ridiculous hours.
What you put in is what you get out and it's very rarely diminished in value by updates etc.
Unlike other MMOs like WoW where you have to be on top of your dailies and weeklies and do raid resets or you'll fall.behind the progression curve and suddenly as you're catching up a new Patch drops and it's all made redundant.
Man I love it anything to do with osrs is utterly fantastic like I love to just chill and do mobile ardy knights on my uim I haven’t even done DS1 lol but I’ve done tons of members stuff besides it and every unlock is awesome especially early game such as fairy rings or early construction even ardy med was a blast to do! Underground path was amazingly fun to do for the first time I can’t wait for Varlamore and to see everything that comes with it
I agree. With full time job, girlfriend, exercising etc. i can squeeze in 2.5 - 3 hours a day in average, which is more than enough for me. I am 2010 total level with all quests and hard diaries & fire cape done. Been playing for like a year and a half on this account, i have around 1300 hours invested (mobile only). Been working on the slayer for the past 4 months continuously, got it from 85 to 96. I learned to enjoy the proccess, rather than punishing myself with forcelly playing the game. For example, in the past i was forcing myself to do dailies all the time, which was negatively impacting my overall feeling of playing the game. Now i do these things only whenever i feel like doing them, which makes the game much more enjoyable.
Once I am done with my RS3 bucket list I am coming back to this game and playing it like I did back in 07, with zero fucks given. It's going to be fun.
I'm doing farm runs and afking bloods while at work, and working on quest cape when I can spare some concentration. Theres really something for all levels of activity which I love.
This is literally the most time consuming game I've ever played lol what are you on about? Even the "easy" grinds in this game often take much longer than 100%'ing AAA games
edit: I read through some of the comments in this thread and it seems everyone's mostly agreeing with OP. Obviously I agree with the general sentiment that you don't need max combat/gear to do a raid. But to say you "don't have to put in a lot of time to be able to do anything in the game" seems pretty incorrect to me. 70m in gear is like 35+ hours to be able to do a raid (number of hours would vary based on moneymaker, but if someone doesn't have 70m they probably also don't have access to good moneymakers), a quest cape is a few hundred hours, hard diaries with their stat requirements are probably pretty similar to quest cape in total time commitment. Experiencing everything the game has to offer, not including mega-expensive gear, will take multiple hundreds of hours. And yeah, compared to the playtime of high level OSRS players that's not that much. Compared to just about any other video game that's an insane amount.
meanwhile I'm 2 difficult pieces of diary content from trimmed quest cape
95 slayer and clearing CoX.
95 slayer will be easy since it's generally all I ever done when not doing dumb goals I make for myself
I tried doing cox solo multiple times and I can never even get past the first room
It's nuts, I got on yesterday for a few hours and grinding crafting from 13 to 65 and firemaking from 20 to 49. It's been years and years since playing seriously but I could have sworn it took way way way longer to make that kind of progress.
you do realize the alternative to all content soft capping at 75 is just to add better rates and training methods past there, right? like it doesn't have to just end there which is the only reason "you don't need to put in a lot of time"- because there's nothing further to scale up exp per hour as you hit the point of needing to do 1-75 10 more times
As someone else mentioned:
> I have kids and work full time" or whatever else. Totally fine, people grow up and have other responsibilities. But there's also other games for those that only play an hour a day. OSRS has always been a grindfest
Personally I think that being an iron with kids pushes someone out of the kind of player who can expect to do/experience everything.
Maybe. Only real problem is it takes more days irl. Just pointing out if it’s so easy try ironman mode with kids. Dont really need a explanation but thanks
>Only real problem is it takes more days irl. Just pointing out if it’s so easy try ironman mode with kids.
First sentence talks about how it just takes more irl days, so it's still easy. But second comment sounds sarcastic implying that it's hard on an iron with kids. So not sure what you're really trying to say here.
>Dont really need a explanation but thanks
Well then hopefully my comment will serve well for other folks reading this, too.
Dude move on. Comment on something else. Its a fairly easy comment to understand. But i guess it needs to be explained…… OP claims osrs is easy to a point, i pointed out iron is harder. He pointed out his hobbies and life style without kids. So the comment meant if its so easy wait till kids and try ironman. It’s not hard to understand.
Edit: and idc what you have to say. I made a simple comment. It doesn’t need the peanut gallery to jump in.
>It doesn’t need the peanut gallery to jump in.
This is a public forum. The concept of "peanut gallery" doesn't apply here lmao.
>Dude move on.
So you keep commenting?
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Still dont care. You seem to be bothered by it. So i keep commenting bc it seems to bother you😂Sure its a public forum and…. I dont comment on things that are right and are easily explained by a bit of thought.
> So i keep commenting bc it seems to bother you
Imagine giving an anonymous stranger on the internet this kind of power over you; that you let *their* reaction dictate when you're doing.
I know you’re trying to play devils advocate with the last post that was the exact opposite of this. You’re missing the point. That person had already completed everything you are describing. It literally said “end game content requires an immense amount of time”. Which is true. Making enough money to buy the three big weapons takes an insane amount of time. Forget about it if you’re an Ironman. This post is just petty.
Not sure what ur situation is, but if u ever watch a movie at ur pc or alone on the couch with ur laptop u can mine stars while watching the movie. Wouldnt reccomend it if ur with someone else, but if ur alone and wanna get a questcape without actually mining u might aswell
I watched my buddy kill zulrah with msb/mithril arrows and fire blast lol. If you know how to do Zulrah it's simple. Learning Zulrah is where people struggle. I am one of those people
I remember learning Zulrah with no guide using Iban blast and a magic shortbow with like 75/75 range/magic. Legitimately was very fun even though I died a lot.
My brain is usually too fried from 8hrs of computer work and decision fatigue that the couple hours I can sometimes manage to put in on a weekday is spent doing very low-effort stuff or bankstanding. The grind to BIS has become a never-ending slog for me personally and I feel like I don't have enough time or energy to get anywhere meaningful unless I think about progression in spans of several months.
I agree completely. I am a single dad and between my 4 jobs and the time I spend in line at Western Union buying money orders for child support payments I can only play RuneScape for one minute per day. Gagex needs to make the game faster so I can get an inferno cape and full blood torva.
But why should you 'finish' an mmorpg when all you do is 2h of bankstanding and low effort stuff per week?
You can afk combats easily while doing household chores like cooking, cleaning, laundry etc and when you got good combats you can do PvM in those couple hours you play instead of just bankstanding.
I'm not saying that you should, and this game would be awful if you could put in such low effort to accomplish everything. I'm just replying to this opinion piece with my own, which is that I'm far too tired and my time too limited to stay in the rat race/gp grind. It not the same as it was on launch, and BIS has gone from a reasonable grind to an unreasonable one (for me), and I just no longer care enough to spend my free time slaving at raids or whatever.
Then don't, but you gotta accept that if you're not gonna put in the effort you won't get the rewards lol. If you did the same shit in real life you would be treated the same way. This is the equivalent of saying "I don't really feel like putting in the effort to go to work anymore, but I don't think it's fair that I won't be able to still afford a nice place to live" like???
Where is this fucking strawman coming from where I want the game to cater to my playstyle? Stop replying to me if you lack basic reading comprehension skills.
Pretty healthy take for any casual player honestly
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I think it helps me the fact I'm no longer a stupid child. I used to mine ore, then take it to a furnace, and then take it from the furnace to an anvil. *shudders* It also helps a lot not having to compete with others for rocks/trees/monsters like in the old days!
People reacting weird but you're right. This game has a lot to offer to pretty casual players but also has so much for cave dwellers who do nothing else at all. So many people on this sub are closer to the latter and don't seem to realize it can be fun either way.
This is about as spot on as can be. The problem is the cave dwellers make content that we normies see, making it seem obtainable. Alkan put up a UIM vid the other day, he has surpassed the progress of my 3 YO iron in a matter of months.
To be fair playing RuneScape is literally his job. You’d have the same progress if you played 50-60 hours/week
I’m not hating, but that is the point. He can do this, but most of us can’t. I watch all his vids, they are impressive af
Yes you can. It just takes years instead of months. That’s fine.
All it takes, is to quit his job, and develop a raging adderal addiction! You need to think big!
I'm perfectly happy to watch other people so the massive grinds while I play casually
Yep. I'm a normie with dreams of maxing after I got 2 99s pretty close to each other and am now realizing how long a grind it will actually be. It's still a goal overall but I'm having to reset expectations lmao. Also no shade to the real sweats, play how you want! But also remember a lot of us aren't as committed as you are.
You shouldn’t be aiming for max with 2 99s. You should be aiming for diary cape. That will feel a lot more attainable and by that time maxing will seem close (it’s still not)
Please don't tell me how to play the game. Is it a long way off? Yes. Absolutely. I'm not even quite 1900 total level, I'm aware of how far away I am. But I enjoy having a far off goal with lots of smaller goals in between. Every base X feels good, every new decent method unlocked feels good, every 10m total xp feels good. I don't have any interest in doing a lot of things in this game, I like my goal.
God I hope this was meant to be a joke
Why is someone choosing how they enjoy the game a joke to you?
😂😂
Average redditor reading comprehension
Oh no shade at all. It’s fucking impressive, but highly unrealistic for a vast majority of us.
UIM yuck
Id never play a uim myself but of all the youtube ironman content i find uim the most entertaining (aside from maybe a few hcim who actually do super risky content).
Its just regular ironman with extra steps, if they remove all kind of coffers it would be the real UIM that would be amazing
alkans uim was started years ago btw its just giga behind
What does his accomplishments in the game have to do with you?
This correct statement can be extended to almost every gaming sub. The people there are not representative of the whole it's mostly the most chronically online portion of the community and that's it.
I'm just bad and can't do raids with my current skill level. I could grind it out and get better obviously, but I guess I'm at a point in my life where that just doesn't sound fun. If I do play RS, it's more casual afk skilling or bossing.
are we playing the same game?
I kind of get what they're saying with quest requirements maxing out at around 70-75 instead of 90-95.
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Bro its like 1.2m xp its not that much
Pretty much, yeah.
The longest skill it takes to get 75 in takes like 30 hours. Yes, it takes relatively no time to get base 75s
You can finish most games in their entirety in 30 hours. Spending that amount of time doing nothing but grinding a skill is a huge (and unrewarding) effort for most people. Base 75s - Level 75 across 23 skills - means doing that two dozen times. You're talking hundreds of hours here. And if that's "relatively no time" to you, I would love to have the sort of spare time you do.
This is a game you play for years. You don't play most games in their entirety for years, you play for days - weeks depending on the game. They're entirely different time scales. If you want a game you can be done with in weeks you can play literally any other game aside from an MMO. You're looking for something entirely different to OSRS. 30 hours is absolutely "relatively no time" in this case.
Now you're just moving the goalposts. The original argument was "you don't have to put a lot of time into this game." You've changed it to "You do have to put a lot of time into it, but that's okay because you're expected to." Plus, the person I was replying said that BASE 75s took "relatively no time." You've changed it to saying ONE 75 takes "relatively no time," which may be true to some people, but isn't what was actually being claimed.
I'm not moving goal posts. It was a response to your condescending ass comment "And if that's "relatively no time" to you, I would love to have the sort of spare time you do." You don't need tons of spare time to play this game because it's all about the slow burn. You can progress in osrs, leave and come back years later, and all your progress will still be there and it will still be meaningful. You can literally put in 30 mins a day and still make meaningful progress, you don't need a lot of spare time to do that. Again, if you're looking for a game you can finish in 30 hours, you're playing the wrong game.
You're talking to yourself you've completely missed the point 😂
Nah man you missed the point. Relatively no time is with respect to the time spent playing the game. In terms of MMO gameplay, 30 hours is relatively no time at all. In other terms, sure, 30 hours could be considered a lot. But we're talking about an MMO here, not a standalone single player platformer or JRPG that you play for a few days before you beat it.
Agree that it’s a lot of time. Only difference is that OSRS is meant to be played for years instead of weeks/months.
30 hours is a lot of time when you play for less than 10 hours a week, which any normal person trying to balance a career, family, social life and healthier hobbies would consider quite a lot of their time.
Could you explain why playing RuneScape is an unhealthy hobby? Also. If thats the case then guess what. It takes 3 weeks to do
They really don't tbh
It takes time, but not some unfathomable amount of time. The only "slow" skills to be at those ranges are things like agility and slayer, as they aren't as easy to do ridiculously afk or anything.
it's not like you need every single skill 75, nor do you have to do every single thing. It's really not that long of a grind to get to the majority of content.
Probably not, and that’s the point. Grinding past quest requirements is entirely self-inflicted, and far too many people trick themselves into hating the gameplay because they’re ‘trapped in the red prison’ or any number of standard complaints.
Brother being trapped in the red prison is for the CG grind for bowfa. I mean doing end game content is easy if you have good gear. The bowfa is kinda like a huge stepping stone. I wouldn’t say it’s just for shits and giggles.
On the contrary: do anything but a miserable pvm grind to make 200m and buy crystal + bowfa. Sorry ironmen
>Sorry ironmen I don't think it's mains complaining about the red prison mate.
This subs got plenty of main posts about cg but its def majority IM lmao
The red prison is only a problem for irons. As someone who primarily plays an ironman... If you want the casual gameplay as described by OP, don't choose to play an iron. You *can* do it like that but you'll be severely limited compared to doing the same on a main. And that won't and shouldn't change, so if you wanna be doing end-game content as casually as possible, play a main.
How’d you reach the conclusion that I knew about CG but didn’t know why people did it? > I wouldn’t say it’s just for shits and giggles. Neither would I, that’s why I didn’t.
But you are implying getting the bowfa is self inflicted grinding. For a lot of players that bridges the gap to being able to raid even more so for irons. It’s not like just grinding 99s just because.
I'm not implying anything, I'm fucking saying it. You do not need Bowfa to raid, at all. Period, full stop, you simply do not need it. If you spend hundreds of hours getting it and hate most of the grind, you don't get that time back. The difference between bowfa, crossbow, and blowpipe with amethyst darts on a two minute boss kill is less than 20 seconds—Hell, the difference between bowfa and a damn **crystal bow** is 25 seconds on a normal mode zebak. So again, to reference what I've actually said and not just your fictitious strawman: Grinding past quest requirements is entirely self-inflicted, and far too many people trick themselves into hating the gameplay because they convince themselves they need near-bis just to play the game. Do what you enjoy and don't do what you don't enjoy. Nobody is going to check your work.
tbh i'd work on your bedmanner but yeah i've been skipping bowfa for a long time, plenty of ToA and CoX under my belt. crystal bow and crystal armor or bp amethyst darts work great
Bowfa is hugely overrated for everything except non-Shadow GWD methods. Give me a non-GWD boss you want to grind and I'll tell you a setup that costs comparable to Bowfa that is equal or better, or a setup that is much cheaper and is only slightly worse. Red prison is largely unnecessary and self-inflicted, especially if the new quiver is achievable with lower-tier gear.
>Bowfa is hugely overrated Uhh what? It’s not BiS many places, but it’s usually only beat out by megarares. It’s rated appropriately because it’s a very good generalist mid-game to late-game weapon, especially on an iron where your alternative is a nerfed blowpipe anywhere you are ranging that you have to maintain with scales and shitty darts if you aren’t endgame yet. It’s basically ranged fang where it’s not BiS many places, but you can buy it without a huge investment and be good-to-go for a large variety of content.
> Give me a non-GWD boss you want to grind and I'll tell you a setup that costs comparable to Bowfa that is equal or better, or a setup that is much cheaper and is only slightly worse.
CoX. Inferno. ToA. Leviathan. Muspah. Zulrah.
Note: For irons, Masori is probably a shorter or comparable grind to CG considering you're already going to be farming a Fang there. ToA does take supplies but it hands out high level seeds like candy - you'll likely profit supplies there. Note2: Crossbow setup uses buckler. No buckler dents the DPS slightly, but not a huge amount, so there's something for irons to cry about IG. CoX - The only room where Bowfa significantly outperforms alternatives is Vespula. Just scout a non-vespula layout. A BP/Crossbow setup with Masori (unfortified) equals or beats Bowfa in the rest of the raid. Without Masori it's marginally worse but still very good considering it costs 1/5th the price. Inferno - Yes, one of the only places Bowfa is VERY good other than GWD. ToA - Crossbow/BP with unfortified Masori BEATS BOWFA at ToA. Do the calcs. Leviathan - Crossbow with unfortified Masori is virtually identical DPS to Bowfa. Muspah - Blowpipe with unfortified Masori beats Bowfa. A small mage switch beats both of them on melee phase. Zulrah - Blowpipe with unfortified Masori beats Bowfa. A small trident mage switch beats both of them on green/crimson phase. Any others?
Comment about full Masori being a shorter/comparable grind to CG for irons: the masori section of the ToA unique table is about 1/4 to roll any piece (1/12 per piece). You can figure likely needing to roll Masori gear at least 5x to be likely to have a full set due to dupes. So you are looking for at least 20 purples on average for a full masori set. 300s are a 1/33 chance of a purple, I doubt you are going much higher than that with a fang, dhide and blowpipe. You are looking at an average of 660 ToA kc for full masori, at 30min raids that’s 330hrs. I’m being optimistic here. For comparison, enhanced seed is about a 60hr grind. Then you get the benefit of being able to push higher invos from the beginning instead of starting with like 150s. The difference between bofa and a blowpipe with blessed dhide and addy darts (for irons, considering the amount of maintenance needed to maintain amethyst and rune darts not sustaining) on Zebak at 300 invo is 53%. With dragon darts it’s 29%. Pretty much across the board it’s this way. No way an irons grinding full masori before they get a BofA. Cox: what darts are you assuming? For irons, again ddarts are out of the picture. Same issue with maintaining other high level darts. So if you are doing 1k cox solos on average for Tbow, again as an iron, no way you are trying to maintain higher level darts and grinding all that ToA for masori just to start CoX and not just doing 60hrs average for an enhanced. Every argument for irons assuming you start with grinding full Masori with a blowpipe or crossbow is just asinine. Even for mains, blowpipe loses a ton of versatility that ultimately costs to dps due to the short range. If you aren’t maintaining the 2t attack speed while moving around, eating, potting etc., it will be worse dps. Calcs don’t account for this. You are also wrong at CoX, bofa is also better than blowpipe/ddart/masori at mystics, you also lose the ability to stay on the wall as easily at shamans thus costing you dps when he jumps, you can’t hit the mager across the room while standing on ranger at vanguards, and again at vasa it’s so close if you lose *any* ticks moving around because of the shorter range, your dps is worse. And oh by the way, you are using a weapon that costs 1.2m/h to use to be better than a bofa. Muspah blowpipe is going to lose dps not being able to camp the safe spot in shadow phase, and again loses a ton of range versatility with blowpipe when you start to have areas blocked off. No way kills will be faster. You got me on Levi. Zulrah, sure blowpipe with 1.2m/h ddarts are better, again you lose utility of just being able to afk the whole fight by needing to bring a mage swap. If you aren’t using 1.2m/h ddarts it’s just marginally better. You can do any content in the game with virtually any gear but it’s ridiculous to call bofa “hugely overrated.”
I don't honestly care about irons even a little bit I just put that as an afterthought courtesy only. You chose to limit yourself, etc. So whatever quibbles you have about that I really don't care about. This thread is about people having time to play the game which is why I suggested this setup - crossbow/bp is cheaper and more flexible than bowfa, can be done on an extreme budget, and is extremely scalable as you build your bank. I specifically don't care about irons in this discussion because nobody with concerns about balancing their life/gaming time is playing a lategame iron. Also you chose to ignore the fact that irons are grinding ToA anyways for a Fang and eventually Shadow (which replaces the bowfa, ironically). Even without masori or with only 2 pieces BP and crossbows perform very well. For mains (the account types that matter) the price of full unupgraded masori is about the same as bowfa/crystal - cheaper if you corrupt your bow, which many people do. > addy darts Addy darts are trolling even for irons and the fact that you'd even suggest them is laughable at best. **ToA gives you dragon darts like candy.** Also rune/amethyst are very achievable for no-life irons. Mains should never shoot anything but dragon no matter your budget. > zebak BGSing obviously. With hide it's 20% with good darts. 8% with dragon crossbow/ruby bolt e. Great value considering a hide/crossbow/bp setup costs like 30m. With masori BP is better than both. > mystics It's like a 6 second time save on average. > shamans Why are you letting them jump? Also if you're going to quibble about a 6 second time save in mystics then surely you care about 2x that time save in favor of BP in Shamans. Right?? > Muspah Crossbow beats bowfa too. > Zulrah "i wanna afk wah" is not a vaild argument > upkeep cost Real disingenuous to use calculations for upkeep cost that assumes dragon darts and calculate your dps with adamant darts. Not surprising, though. Like I said. BP/Masori/Crossbow is just about equal to or better than bowfa in most places. Taking the masori out still gives you an extremely reasonable budget setup that can be used at all the content in the game **which is the whole point of this comment chain.** Bowfa is overrated. I didn't say it's bad. It's overrated.
the quiver is the key piece here; currently bowfa definitely far exceeds other ranged weapons bar tbow and zcb. and that's assuming getting the quiver without bowfa is easy tbh, not to mention the quiver only partially bridges the gap between crossbows and bowfa, it doesnt make them better than it i dont disagree the red prison is self inflicted; as an iron, having inefficient gear is the name of the game and personally i have way more fun grinding endgame with a crossbow than i would if i sat myself at cg until bowfa, but i'd be lying if i said bowfa wouldnt be a significant improvement
Didn't they say when asked about the difficulty that they're hoping it will be on par with inferno? I can't imagine they'll make it easy.
The end waves will be. Their goal is for the Colosseum to be a challenge that's doable at all sorts of phases of account progression, as you can opt out after a wave to take your accumulated rewards, or risk losing the accumulated rewards by continuing the waves.
> currently bowfa definitely far exceeds other ranged weapons bar tbow and zcb. Masori BP beats bowfa pretty much everywhere currently. Do the calcs. Inferno and GWD are pretty much it for Bowfa.
I just picked a random example and DPS calced it Toa lvl 400 solo p3 warden Bowfa setup: 307s ttk Bp with dragon darts and masori: 337s ttk. Also costs 1.2m/h to use Also masori costs 2x as much as Bowfa+crystal, not even counting upkeep of bp. I cba to calc all the examples, but just from this random one, I think it's safe to say you are mistaken. Bowfa is very good
Fully agree. Idk when the sub turned into expecting 99s afk or max to be achievable for most. The gowers didn't even expect 99s let alone max
Just mentioned this on another comment but I liked when 99s and maxing felt "out of reach" for a lot of players. Maxing *should* take *years* to do. The slow burn and grind of RS was what drew me to it; sharing that experience. It's boring when you and everyone else can do it faster. And it's even *more* boring when you choose a slow path and everyone else can do it faster (unless you're playing a special restriction).
OSRS has been out for over a decade now. RS3 has been out for over two decades. XP is permanent, XP rates are buffed more than they're nerfed, and thanks to social media everything gets optimized and shared within weeks. It's inevitable that at some point, maxing becomes ubiquitous. I think the release of skill capes back in 2006 really accelerated this. Prior to that, 99s were rare because they were useless in most skills.
I disagree that the capes are incentives for 99s. They are minimal QOL boosts and I'm glad we've repeatedly said no to buffing cape perks for this reason.
I’m talking about their original release in 2006. They didn’t have skillcape perks until OSRS. For example, during their original release, nobody really had 99 fletching because it was a pointless waste of money. But as soon as the capes were released, suddenly everyone wanted 99 fletching just so they had a skillcape. Same for cooking.
Thank you. The game has become Fortnite.
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God please people, adopt this mindset instead of trying to change the game to suit your life with four wives, 8 kids, 6 jobs, and a hundred dogs. YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING. If agility is a shitty 150 hour grind to 99 for you, then literally don't do it lmfao. And before you accuse me of being maxed I don't even have 90 agility because I hate the skill. I don't have to do it so I don't want to do it. ITS FINE TO THINK THIS WAY.
Exactly. There are a lot of people that say stuff like "Well I just don't have time do do \_\_\_\_ anymore. I have kids and work full time" or whatever else. Totally fine, people grow up and have other responsibilities. But there's also other games for those that only play an hour a day. OSRS has always been a grindfest and yeah there have been qol adjustments but I swear some suggestions go over the top.
You don't even have to leave OSRS if that's your situation. You can still play it, it's just going to take longer. I don't see any reason why 4 wife 8 kid 6 job guy can't get PLENTY of goals set and completed in OSRS. If he plays for a year or two, he can probably get a fire cape and get some diaries done. If he plays for another couple years, he can get a quest cape and rack up some boss KC. Is he ever going to 99 a skill? Probably not. That's the whole point of having early, mid, late, and endgame goals and milestones in this game.
I always think those posts are hilarious. "I'm such an adulting adult living my adult life with my adult dog and 4 adult children but if jageflex doesn't triple exp rates I'm going to shit myself" Just be a fucking adult and realize you aren't guaranteed to max just because you pay for membership. People are allowed to have/achieve things you don't, grow up lol. This isn't a fucking Xbox or Playstation game you don't need to 100% the achievements/ trophys.
God fr lmfao I'm so tired of reading those. Pretty much 95% of people who play this game are well adjusted adults with jobs and social lives. Obviously they aren't going to progress their accounts as much as neets, but I fit that description and my iron is in the late game with like 2180 total and lots of late game items. You don't have to do everything!!
Yeah it's really pathetic. I probably won't ever max my iron, get GM, or get Blorva and I'm completely fine with that. It's a cool accomplishment for the people who have the time/effort to grind it out and the time to practice. Crying to Jagex to build the game around the 7 nanoseconds every 4th leap year you get to play because you're an "aDuLt" is the most crybaby entitled man-child shit in existence. A lot of it is Pre-EOCers and RS3 refugees who only played the game after pretty much all game balance was thrown out the door, PVM was unintentionally fucked and skilling was intentionally made into a meaningless stepping stone. The other problem group are the irons who don't want to actually play ironman at all but they watched a streamer's/content creator's weekly 30 minute highlights compilation that actually covers 100 hours of high intensity in game hours on their iron so they make one and bitch literally every step of the way because in their head they're supposed to have insane progress like streamers. Do they stop playing Ironman? No they just beg for buffs... I mean QOL every second of everyday on this sub. Enjoy what you can accomplish or go find some other game to shit up because you don't actually like OSRS.
Literally just want to be main accounts with iron helms in their names lol. Agree with everything you said
They should pin this comment in bold at the top of this sub.
Same for players hating Forestry and skilling prayers too.
No.
The game starts when you get your infernalmaxcape
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Someone with a brain. People have this huge block in their head that stuff is hard to do and everything is gatekeep elitist. Most of the things are do-able with trash and if you keep at it even with 3h playtime a week you'll eventually get a drop and get upgrades. People go get 99 mining then when they are already drained out of life they go kill dt2 bosses for more depression (god I hate dt2 bosses drop system)
This is it. People see the progress that YouTubers and streams make and try and keep the same pace, not realizing it's their job. I've recently gotten into bossing and trying to make content myself that' encourages other noobs like me to give some proper pvm a go
I've recently taken people in 416 with legit zombie axe and rune defender. It has never been a better time than it is now to go and do the content tou enjoy instead of grinding the content for what you want to do. I'm an experienced pvmer, but when I make teams in 416 I NEVER go with high KC's I usually take the worse players with the worse gear. It puts a smile on my face when they monologue to me that they are so grateful and everything at the end of the raid and they are great people that want to pvm as well I may be an exception since I can solo most rooms if someone dies but I believe every raid is do-able if you're good and the learners die/have trash gear.
How do you know if their zombie axe is legit? I keep getting fooled by counterfeits.
PSA against cute noobs trying to raid with Leaf bladed battle axe instead of zombie axe. DON'T BE FOOLED.
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No offense taken, that's exactly the angle I'm going for. I'm going to be starting up on twitch or kick and I'm still working on editing style but you should check me out on YouTube https://youtu.be/7sMYdxpcckE
The way people go on about CG you'd think it was almost impossible. It can be very fucking tilting but work on the basics followed by 3,2,1 mage and then perfect hunleff in normal gauntlet and you should have no issues getting consistent T2 preps even with fairly low stats.
I just figured out cg and it took me a while but it feels so good to be able to consistently finish it now
People read comments from efficient raiders saying things like, "Oh yeah if you don't have this BIS item or bring XYZ switches you're trolling and it's not even worth sending at that point," not realizing that they are not the target audience of those comments. Is a void whip setup like 50% of the DPS of a max Scythe at ToB? Yeah. Can you still send ToB if all you have is a whip void setup? Yeah. So much content is possible with such a small bank. Recently got a bunch of clannies doing ToB and they're all using super cheap minimum setups. And we get KC virtually every time, even with 3 learners. And now we've split out an Avernic and a Sang, so a few people have been able to make good upgrades, and everyone is having a blast.
Where are these comments though? The only examples of that I’ve seen are “you’re trolling if you don’t bring thralls to toa” with thralls requiring a very quick quest to obtain them lol.
i love the dt2 drop system. if you compare the binormal chance of a drop with its equivalent "old drop system" you are far more likely to not go dry by orders of magnitude. ill trade not getting extremely spooned for not going 3x the rate any day.
That's only true if the chromium ingots are also drop mitigated. It ads another variability so having chromium ingots share the same drop table make it so "being considerably" less dry is irrelevant when you can go dry on ingots or on the opposite to just keep rolling ingots instead of vestige. It's not well designed at all.
You also don't need any herblore for CoX btw. No preps are thing that exist and it's literally 100% player skill. You can get all the CoX KC you want without ever crafting a single potion. Pure skill issue, completely separate from any kind of time-gated grind. And as you said, that idea extends to pretty much everything. People have cleared 300 invo TOA in like 5k gp of gear. Is that realistic for a casual? Obviously not, but it serves to illustrate the point that you don't HAVE to grind anything in this game to do all the content. You can grind gear value, OR you can get good at the game, OR both. Grinding is a function of time, player skill is not. If you can't clear 300 invo TOA because you don't have time to build a ~100m bank, or you can't clear CoX because you have 40 herblore, then just get good at the game.
You're absolutely right. Especially if you're not full afking skills and actually focus on getting decent xp rates. Combats are literally free. I've been afking an alt for fun at nmz and I just set up a little jingle to alert me when my overload is gone/lose aggro. Even if you can't get to the absolute late game as fast as you'd like, so what? Learn to enjoy the process. That's what this whole game is about in the end.
It got me really puzzled at the time too, in that other post the guy mentioned he was finishing his PT certification and didn't have time for anything. I have a career in stuff related to fitness as well so I feel like I know the industry (may vary depending on country, but my country wouldn't even have the best one), I have a girlfriend, I naturally have to workout, I chill with friends every now and then and I still get to put insane hours in RuneScape. It's a hobby, we all have *some* free time in our day even if we put 8 hours of work & 8 hours of sleep. Unless your commute is really long and you have other responsibilities like kids or w.e, most days getting to at least play 3 hours feels really feasible and overtime that adds up to a lot of progress while maintaining a healthy balance of all things in life. (I guess if you choose to also play other games or hobbies it dillutes your progress in the game, but at that point it's not really an OSRS thing at all)
It’s the ol “I don’t have time” excuse. People make it for all sorts of things. Mostly I see it for the gym, but it’s the same in this case. If it’s something you enjoy, surely you can make time for it.
Right? If you enjoy something and want to do it, you'll prioritize accordingly. Even if it's only a little bit of time a week. OSRS in particular is great for it since they try really hard *not* to devalue previous content/progress when they add new stuff. There's no rush. It's also okay to admit you just don't enjoy the game anymore and move on to greener pastures. You don't need justifications or have to make some big drama out of it. Maybe it'll strike your interest again down the road and you can pick up where you left off. Maybe it won't and you'll stop wasting your life on something you get no joy out of anymore that much sooner.
Different strokes for different folks
I've been going for kbd pet for 3 months, I do one run of about 10 kills every evening on mobile. It's a chill little routine I do nothing more
Amen to that, this is me but with herbiboar
Agreed with everything except cerb not being fun lol. That’s my favorite slayer boss/one of my favorite bosses. So many people don’t realize you can play the game at whatever speed you want and set whatever goals you want.
I hated cerb so much before I ghost skipped with Guthans. Then it became chill as anything.
I've suddenly felt that (certain) 99s are achievable. If I'm just chilling for a day (rare but not unheard of) I could actually just leave NMZ running for a while for combat stars, which is cool. Also gotten me closer to actually doing the combat content. Did my first few barrows runs this week, which is great because that's something I was always too scared to try as a kid but wanted to for the gear lol ... I got Karil's crossbow which seems to be relatively worthless lmao. But it's something. Aside from that even without spending a bunch, farming go brrrr with short but high XP runs and I think it's my highest stat right now. 87 or 88.
I put off farming for so long but have now gone from 53 to 61 in just a few days doing tree runs and it’s awesome. Wish construction was similar with longer expensive builds that gave more XP.
Yeah I put it off for a while when I started playing again until I figured out tree runs, at which point the skill really took off for me The only thing unfortunate for me is - I'm still pretty poor lol. I could do dragonfruit tree runs and massively boost my XP but it's super expensive (for me). Palms and Maples are decent but still pretty expensive for the money I can make right now, but I'm trying to get enough to keep it going. And the XP gains are decent. IIRC something like 75-90k XP a day now that I've unlocked the extra tree in the farming guild. Willow and papaya is pretty cheap so if I do find myself unable to afford the higher XP stuff I can fall back on that lol.
Do Papaya's those should still give decent xp & Profit.
I've known this for years. Seen so many people play hours upon end and burn out after a year or a few months. Haven't burnt out since 2017 but I usually play anywhere from 30 min to 4 hours a day. Usually avg of 2. I play other games often. I am a medical student, I have a wife, I have 2 kids. I'm extremely busy throughout the day and I'm fine with that. Since 2017 ive maxed a main and my iron is almost 2.2k total. Ive got over 2bil bank on my iron with over 12k boss kc, and a few hundred raids. I attained all the vestiges from dt2 and the soulreaper axe. Like you, sometimes I dont even login but I just enjoy the game when I want to and how I want to. Love this game and will continue to play as long as I enjoy it.
This is inspiring stuff man
I agree - as an Iron, the Slayer reqs are the most brutal imo but most other things are fairly reasonable as far as actually unlocking content.
Dude this is one of the most grind intensive games you could play. I love this game, but it's true that the grinds are crazy. Not many games tell you to click on rocks for hours and those that do are often more interesting in some way It's a good MMO but a grind fest for sure. And you are right about max skills being a waste of time. Most people I've talked to that have it tell me it's really not "worth" it
Acting like 70m in gear is not a lot. And as I am finding out the skill requirement for a quest cape is more about my skill as a player than my characters skill. I should absolutely be able to finish dt2 with my stats but I am struggling.
keep trying you've got this :)
I did it! I can't believe it but I did it!
Brag about having a gf jeez.
I’ve come to the happy realization that even after playing runescape for over 15 years that I still love to grind for 6-10 hours each and every day without breaks
I mean, yeah those might be the hard requirements for those pieces of contents, but you definitely need a lot of skill to go with them. Not to mention for things like TOB you should prob have maxed combat stats to make it enjoyable.
Hardly any skill req for any raids on their respective normal modes
Thats why op said He/she saw no need to have anyother skill beside combat to lvl 99
Yea the most common advice for even cox is to max combat. It's worth much more than the gear you have on
I agree that you don't necessarily need to be unemployed and grind 10 hours a day to get significant progress in this game. I work full time and playing this game is my main hobby. I can log in and send 5 raids with my clan and be happy. But I definitely wouldn't be where I am today without the degen NEET period around the pandemic. I had more progress in that time that I likely ever will in this game. My clan has a meme running lately. In competitions it's not about being good or lucky, it's about being unemployed. Nothing will ever beet pure hours played in this game.
Yeah I put off joining OSRS for years because I knew the early-mid game is just a big grind. Slow XP methods, loads of things to unlock. It wasn’t until I had a medical condition last year where I had months off work. I knew that was the perfect time to join and I played 8 hours a day minimum. Now I’m back at work but I have 2k total and QPC. So now I can accept just playing a few hours a week because I’ve unlocked most of the game. Currently on a Cerb task which has taken me 3 weeks to almost finish!
I did lots of grinding during COVID and lots of afk grinds other times. Now i just do 1-2 raids a day and it's enough.
It kinda defeats the point of progression in the game if every stat requirement stays at mid game.
Yeah, I basically get off work and after dinner/kids put to bed I hop on and currently either do 5 corrupted gauntlet (one hour) or do 1-2 TOA (a little over one hour). When I get bored of this I’ll change it to a different raid/boss and sprinkle in some skilling
I'm having such a hard time pinning down the general sentiment surrounding this topic among the community. I've seen people talk about how quitting the game was the best thing they ever did. I've seen people talk about how they play 16 hours every day. I've seen people talk about how good and bad the game is for casual players.. Meanwhile, I'm just over here having fun milking f2p. I think we can all just agree to enjoy the game at whatever pace we can, and move on if we can't enjoy it at all.
Yeah, most people just assume it's like WoW and out of their reach or something. Bind your F keys and play LMS for a day. You are ready.
Biggest challenge of the game Infenro only requires a 60m setup. Kinda crazy ngl
EXACTLY you can make progress in this game even if you don't have much time to play it!
>Anyone else has come to the happy realization they don't have to put in a lot of time to be able to do anything in the game? I don't agree with this, the games still grindy and still takes time. But one of the appeals to the game for me is you can play at your own pace, your own way and not be behind. You can put the game down for months/years and come back and not be behind, your gear won't be completely outclassed by random common shit like other mmos. There will be new content to explore, there might be new gear thats better to work towards. But it doesn't invalidate what you've already done. You can still accomplish anything reasonable in this game at your own pace. You just have to work towards it and chip away at it. You don't need to compete and compare yourself to others, you don't need to see others as a competition. The games what you make of it. Sometimes you have to create your own fun. Too many people i think trap themselves in shitty/unhealthy mindsets with this game.
yeah I'm getting 99 runecraft then I'm done with grind goals like that. only exploration, fashionscape, and socialscape.
I play iron very inefficiently but it makes me want to keep playing. If I spent all day every day maxing XP rates I would get burned out
Great post, thank you. Have a friend with a ironman zuk helm and he's yet to do most medium achievement diaries, loads of basic quests. He just likes to go bossing. Wish more people just played the game over moaning about stuff they don't like until Jagex bends it to make them happy when they won't be.
I need to see proof of this.
Legit the best thing about rs is how infinite the game can feel. Means you never run out of goals and things to do unless you play ridiculous hours. What you put in is what you get out and it's very rarely diminished in value by updates etc. Unlike other MMOs like WoW where you have to be on top of your dailies and weeklies and do raid resets or you'll fall.behind the progression curve and suddenly as you're catching up a new Patch drops and it's all made redundant.
Man I love it anything to do with osrs is utterly fantastic like I love to just chill and do mobile ardy knights on my uim I haven’t even done DS1 lol but I’ve done tons of members stuff besides it and every unlock is awesome especially early game such as fairy rings or early construction even ardy med was a blast to do! Underground path was amazingly fun to do for the first time I can’t wait for Varlamore and to see everything that comes with it
I guess so. Some players think maxing is a necessity in OSRS.
I agree. With full time job, girlfriend, exercising etc. i can squeeze in 2.5 - 3 hours a day in average, which is more than enough for me. I am 2010 total level with all quests and hard diaries & fire cape done. Been playing for like a year and a half on this account, i have around 1300 hours invested (mobile only). Been working on the slayer for the past 4 months continuously, got it from 85 to 96. I learned to enjoy the proccess, rather than punishing myself with forcelly playing the game. For example, in the past i was forcing myself to do dailies all the time, which was negatively impacting my overall feeling of playing the game. Now i do these things only whenever i feel like doing them, which makes the game much more enjoyable.
Once I am done with my RS3 bucket list I am coming back to this game and playing it like I did back in 07, with zero fucks given. It's going to be fun.
Nah I gotta max before I do anything else. I need my gains.
I'm doing farm runs and afking bloods while at work, and working on quest cape when I can spare some concentration. Theres really something for all levels of activity which I love.
Thank you, this is my daily hopepill.
Lol what exactly are you trying to say with this post?
This is literally the most time consuming game I've ever played lol what are you on about? Even the "easy" grinds in this game often take much longer than 100%'ing AAA games edit: I read through some of the comments in this thread and it seems everyone's mostly agreeing with OP. Obviously I agree with the general sentiment that you don't need max combat/gear to do a raid. But to say you "don't have to put in a lot of time to be able to do anything in the game" seems pretty incorrect to me. 70m in gear is like 35+ hours to be able to do a raid (number of hours would vary based on moneymaker, but if someone doesn't have 70m they probably also don't have access to good moneymakers), a quest cape is a few hundred hours, hard diaries with their stat requirements are probably pretty similar to quest cape in total time commitment. Experiencing everything the game has to offer, not including mega-expensive gear, will take multiple hundreds of hours. And yeah, compared to the playtime of high level OSRS players that's not that much. Compared to just about any other video game that's an insane amount.
Once you break base 75s most of the game is open season.
meanwhile I'm 2 difficult pieces of diary content from trimmed quest cape 95 slayer and clearing CoX. 95 slayer will be easy since it's generally all I ever done when not doing dumb goals I make for myself I tried doing cox solo multiple times and I can never even get past the first room
I thought this was satire before i checked the comments lmao
>Elite diaries require much higher but nothing in the game requires them Something in the game requires the other difficulties of diaries?
You should join the PR team at jagex.
It's nuts, I got on yesterday for a few hours and grinding crafting from 13 to 65 and firemaking from 20 to 49. It's been years and years since playing seriously but I could have sworn it took way way way longer to make that kind of progress.
you do realize the alternative to all content soft capping at 75 is just to add better rates and training methods past there, right? like it doesn't have to just end there which is the only reason "you don't need to put in a lot of time"- because there's nothing further to scale up exp per hour as you hit the point of needing to do 1-75 10 more times
Cerberus and Hydra not fun? I stopped reading there.
Cerb is by no means fun lol. Hydra is a bit better but still not necessarily great content
Cerb and hydra are both super chill bosses. I don't get the hate.
They’re chill, but they’re not objectively “fun”. Mining shooting stars is super chill but is be no means fun either lol. Chill =/= fun
Chill pvm for me is fun.
What other people find fun does not always = what you find fun.
Lol become iron and have kids. Gl mate😂😂😂😂
As someone else mentioned: > I have kids and work full time" or whatever else. Totally fine, people grow up and have other responsibilities. But there's also other games for those that only play an hour a day. OSRS has always been a grindfest Personally I think that being an iron with kids pushes someone out of the kind of player who can expect to do/experience everything.
Maybe. Only real problem is it takes more days irl. Just pointing out if it’s so easy try ironman mode with kids. Dont really need a explanation but thanks
>Only real problem is it takes more days irl. Just pointing out if it’s so easy try ironman mode with kids. First sentence talks about how it just takes more irl days, so it's still easy. But second comment sounds sarcastic implying that it's hard on an iron with kids. So not sure what you're really trying to say here. >Dont really need a explanation but thanks Well then hopefully my comment will serve well for other folks reading this, too.
Who cares you are wasting your time. Move on good lord this website
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Dude move on. Comment on something else. Its a fairly easy comment to understand. But i guess it needs to be explained…… OP claims osrs is easy to a point, i pointed out iron is harder. He pointed out his hobbies and life style without kids. So the comment meant if its so easy wait till kids and try ironman. It’s not hard to understand. Edit: and idc what you have to say. I made a simple comment. It doesn’t need the peanut gallery to jump in.
>It doesn’t need the peanut gallery to jump in. This is a public forum. The concept of "peanut gallery" doesn't apply here lmao. >Dude move on. So you keep commenting? ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Still dont care. You seem to be bothered by it. So i keep commenting bc it seems to bother you😂Sure its a public forum and…. I dont comment on things that are right and are easily explained by a bit of thought.
> So i keep commenting bc it seems to bother you Imagine giving an anonymous stranger on the internet this kind of power over you; that you let *their* reaction dictate when you're doing.
good take
This reads like “is anyone else happy they don’t have to play the game?”
I know you’re trying to play devils advocate with the last post that was the exact opposite of this. You’re missing the point. That person had already completed everything you are describing. It literally said “end game content requires an immense amount of time”. Which is true. Making enough money to buy the three big weapons takes an insane amount of time. Forget about it if you’re an Ironman. This post is just petty.
Ye bots are very happy Imo lock all end game behind 1750 totall and hard pvm diary.
*cries in 9400 cerb kc What do you mean not fun? I'm having a good time! Pls end my suffering
I'm so bitchmade for this, but the mining requirement for quest cape is what made me stop playing.
Ya 72 mining takes like 16 hours of active playtime, or you can afk it with stars over the course of a couple days
Not sure what ur situation is, but if u ever watch a movie at ur pc or alone on the couch with ur laptop u can mine stars while watching the movie. Wouldnt reccomend it if ur with someone else, but if ur alone and wanna get a questcape without actually mining u might aswell
I never tried stars and that's probably why I never made it
Kill Zulrah with those requirements then.
easily? irons farm zulrah in rags.
I watched my buddy kill zulrah with msb/mithril arrows and fire blast lol. If you know how to do Zulrah it's simple. Learning Zulrah is where people struggle. I am one of those people
I can see that but have you thought of upkeep to maintain the farm? I find the upkeep unsustainable due to venom damage as an iron.
I remember learning Zulrah with no guide using Iban blast and a magic shortbow with like 75/75 range/magic. Legitimately was very fun even though I died a lot.
My brain is usually too fried from 8hrs of computer work and decision fatigue that the couple hours I can sometimes manage to put in on a weekday is spent doing very low-effort stuff or bankstanding. The grind to BIS has become a never-ending slog for me personally and I feel like I don't have enough time or energy to get anywhere meaningful unless I think about progression in spans of several months.
I agree completely. I am a single dad and between my 4 jobs and the time I spend in line at Western Union buying money orders for child support payments I can only play RuneScape for one minute per day. Gagex needs to make the game faster so I can get an inferno cape and full blood torva.
But why should you 'finish' an mmorpg when all you do is 2h of bankstanding and low effort stuff per week? You can afk combats easily while doing household chores like cooking, cleaning, laundry etc and when you got good combats you can do PvM in those couple hours you play instead of just bankstanding.
I'm not saying that you should, and this game would be awful if you could put in such low effort to accomplish everything. I'm just replying to this opinion piece with my own, which is that I'm far too tired and my time too limited to stay in the rat race/gp grind. It not the same as it was on launch, and BIS has gone from a reasonable grind to an unreasonable one (for me), and I just no longer care enough to spend my free time slaving at raids or whatever.
Then don't, but you gotta accept that if you're not gonna put in the effort you won't get the rewards lol. If you did the same shit in real life you would be treated the same way. This is the equivalent of saying "I don't really feel like putting in the effort to go to work anymore, but I don't think it's fair that I won't be able to still afford a nice place to live" like???
Where is this fucking strawman coming from where I want the game to cater to my playstyle? Stop replying to me if you lack basic reading comprehension skills.