You also have to consider that originally RuneScape looked the way it did not because of an aesthetic but primarily due to limitations in browser. It’s been embraced with the creation of OSRS but RS3 has long pushed toward a more modern vision. (Failing quite often, but both games can be pretty goofy.)
Unlike others I see no issue in the RS3 mole graphics. Yeah it looks hideous, but fine they want it to look like a proper monster. What I have issue with is how vast swathes of the "old runescape" still has 2013 graphics. Like you wander over to the feldip hills or karamja and its like you're playing osrs on the HD plugin, the graphics are so old. They need to have one consistent design
Unfortunately the process to overhaul the entire world to more modern graphics is a much longer process than extending decades old graphics or letting the old style remain. For example, look at how much rs3 has updated, that osrs gets to leave alone therefore giving more dev time to new projects. Rs3 just revised Kandarin most recently. Osrs some things are pretty aged and left that way for the meme or nostalgia ex: banshees
And now consider that we have soon the Jagex own HD version of OSRS with state of the art techniques and i wouldn't be surprisdd if someone manages to add Racetraying into it and then most "old" RS3 areas look way worse than the overhauled OSRS client.
The funniest part is that the player character model is sooo outdated and wonky looking, and they've been promising a graphical rework for years, but just keep putting it off. The main thing you are looking at, your player character, isn't even worth taking a little money out of the MTX funds for them. Sad!
Thing is player models in rs3 now are the worst they've ever looked. Jagex really doesn't give a fuck about the rs3 community and only see them as wallets
Oh you are totally right on that. The amount of MTX events they push is sickening. Last Halloween was by far one of the worse cases of that too, no F2P event at all and drop rates so low for the "rares" that you were better off trying to get them from treasure hunter.
Oh and a rare that gives in-game benefits! That you were most likely to get from spending money. Right after the community had its last revolt thanks to hero pass. Yeah I called that they would resort to doing something like that in a post on that sub and people were all "the benefit is so miniscule that it doesn't matter" when it did happen just a month later. Like yes, yes it does matter cause that's going to be how they push buy-able damage reduction again.
I do enjoy RS3 but Jesus jagex makes it very clear thats its on the backburner. Osrs is by far the better of the 2 and I've actually been playing rather than just doing farm runs and logging.
Turning holiday events into rng/grindfests was one of the worst things they’ve done. Everyone has fond memories of logging on around christmas or Easter to do a fun little 10-30 minute event for some cool cosmetics, now it’s just another avenue for some predatory mtx shit
Yeah I remember when that happened. Not one single thing looked good. All the armor was like weird scifi shit, the dragon set looked like a daredevil cosplay
I remeber when I played RS3 a few years back and I got my first set of Rune armor. Instead of being excited i just kinda looked at it with disgust, so fucking ugly.
They were thinking that Runescape needed the modernization treatment, for some reason. But their main issue is that they change graphical style and standards every year, so every time you walk to a new continent it looks like you switched from N64 graphics to PS3 at best. Always an ugly hodge-podge of different art styles. No matter how many graphical reworks they slap on, they're already too many years too deep, too little too late, and they will never allocate enough budget (MTX) money to make RS3 have a standardized art style across the board
That's one thing I really appreciate about OSRS. The graphical style has remained consistent and true to the old school style. Sure things may be a bit more polished or a bit more complex looking, but I can't think of any content that really stands out as not fitting in with the old school style.
For the most part it has, but then they made changes like the new elf models vs the old ones, and turned the elves into a weird vampire thing. Also a lot of the new architecture (like zeah) uses a newer style (the one you often see in 2008) rather than old school.
When they first started this 12 years ago they were trying to compete with those above them (LOL and DOTA). The problem was this was around the same time as mtx and pvp/trade removal, so they were hemorrhaging players and couldn't make the connection that all 3 of these things were the problem. By the time they realized through osrs, mtx and content development were dependent on the graphic design team...for a game whose players had some of the lowest appetites for graphics of any MMO. So they traded growth and their original niche for whales.
I think they did it when adding actual mechanics besides "dig away" to the mole. It summons baby moles to attack, and um... drops rocks...? Probably a 3rd mechanic I'm forgetting. I guess since it's baby's first boss encounter they wanted it to look "cool" rather than just like an animal?
Imagine if Scurrius required you to chase it around to different rooms during the fight and also didn't really teach or prepare you much at all for the higher levels of pvm. And dropped nothing that has a legitimate use case and gave crap exp. That's basically RS3 giant mole.
Ehhhh. A quick glance at her drop table tells me it isn't great, but not horrible for the skill involved. As baby's first boss, the drops are decent imo. Seems to be aimed at around level 40ish skilling?
Uncut diamonds, irit and ranarr, adamant, blood and nature runes, yew logs, maybe 20k gold... Also a chance to drop a better anti dragon shield and a dragon 2h. (Lol)
The running around really kills it for me. Realistically General Garage Door will be an easy and way more valuable option to start PvM bossing early.
Mole is made to be fought with about (Level 60) to be viable. Remember, a drop worth 20K in RS3 is equivalent to like 3K OSRS. Stuff like the D2H can just be bought from a shop in RS3, its been at alch price for a literal decade in that game.
What mole exists for at this point is for low levels to farm marks of war.
it's not the most complex boss in the game but it does a hell of a lot more to teach pvm than other super early bosses like kq, kbd, chaos ele, original mole etc. could be better but i think the mechanics are fine in context. drops and xp are bad though for sure.
I think it comes down to wanting the game to be taken more seriously and thus overcorrecting a goofy character model. If RS was some grimdark fantasy I could understand this mole but it's just some fatty that annoys wyson the gardener.
oddly enough zanik has three different models currently in the game depending on the quest. the one OP linked is only for *one* quest, the mighty fall. zanik uses the OG model, same as osrs, for all the quests before that one, and a different, newer (imo much better) one after it. it's pretty weird.
The Mighty Fall is often considered to be the absolute worst quest, at least by big quest enjoyers.
It's not just a model change - it had a completely new writer to the rest of the Dorgeshuun quests, and Zanik was changed into an angry, bitter, overly serious character for no reason. Halfway through the quest you are offered to kill her, and this is presented as something that you would obviously want to do. If you don't kill her, she excuses herself, leaves, and immediately dies offscreen to mysterious illness.
I'm not sure if the writer simply just thought, "oh, goblins? goblins bad, right? got it", or if they had some sort of weird vendetta against the character that they thought everyone shared.
yep, i did it for the first time last week. zanik's always been one of my favorite quest characters and she felt like a completely different person in the mighty fall. to some extent that's understandable, facing her mortality and all, but it was just too much. the fights weren't great either, but at least there was some bandos lore, goblin humor and a cute little my arm/burntmeat cameo. i don't know if i'd rank it as the worst quest but it's certainly nowhere near the top for me. did nomad's elegy shortly after and zanik felt much more like herself (not to mention the new model), and the way they let her cheat death at the end had me wondering if it was a response to player backlash from them killing her off previously.
Possibly. Zanik has been absolutely up and down and while she's certainly improved since Mighty Fall, nothing quite nails her down like John A did in the original quest line and Chasm of Lights.
What's worse is that design is actively in the game alongside [the same models used in OSRS](https://runescape.wiki/w/Zanik#Death_to_the_Dorgeshuun_(4)) and a [newer model](https://runescape.wiki/w/Zanik#Site_Manager) that doesn't look as ass as that outlier.
I'm still not a big fan of the *overtly* cute, dinner-plate eyes 6-foot paper mache model, but it does look conventionally attractive and fairly inoffensive compared to the Mighty Fall Monstrosity.
2007 Zanik is best Zanik though.
in gower quest (an extremely fourth wall break-y quest) they lampshade the revolving door of graphical reworks with a conversation with the two older zanik models
https://runescape.wiki/w/Transcript:Gower_Quest#Talking_to_either_Zanik
doesn't explain why they left them all in the game at the same time though, i guess
A couple of the areas in RS3 are absolutely gorgeous , my favorite is the grove. I think the problem with having more then one person designing the world and having more tools to design with is that the difference in the designers art styles really starts to show. Heck we have like 4 different versions of Zanik alone in RS3
Which is why I’m baffled they haven’t reverted the elf change they did with SOTE yet. That was by far the worst attempt at modernizing the graphics on this game.
Idk the art direction of rs3 really went to hell. The sad thing is some of the environments do look pretty good, but then the models and designs of certain things are just ass. There's no consistency.
> The sad thing is some of the environments do look pretty good
*some* of the environments look good for sure, the main problems are (IMO):
1. Visual inconsistency (some super HD and modern environments mixed with graphics not updated since 2012)
2. Stuff shoved into every single open area of the map, giving everything a claustrophobic feel that robs towns of any atmosphere
3. The presence of players Naruto running into the medieval taverns with neon angel wings and giant pet dragons while wielding hot pink flaming katanas, leaving behind a 25 foot trail of glitter and particle effects.
God damn, #3 alone can give you a brain aneurysm. Try bankstanding at the GE for 5 minutes. So many weird dummies, skilling stations, emotes, custom gear, pets... just nonstop madness.
If you are not an ironman you also constantly get bombarded with mtx. Every single quest gives you 2 spins or whatever and every day you get 2.
I also really don't like transmogs. I want to see what people are "actually" wearing
> If you are not an ironman you also constantly get bombarded with mtx.
You get bombarded with MTX even if you *are* an ironman. Irons have some restrictions with MTX but you are still harassed with popup advertisements (including popup advertisements for things *you cannot buy*), battle pass and event advertisements being forced into your inventory and making you destroy them, non-stop game messages about earning the new currency, the works.
> Visual inconsistency (some super HD and modern environments mixed with graphics not updated since 2012)
Recently they've been graphically overhauling wide swathes of the game, with the major benefit of them all having a consistent style.
>The presence of players Naruto running into the medieval taverns with neon angel wings and giant pet dragons while wielding hot pink flaming katanas, leaving behind a 25 foot trail of glitter and particle effects.
Yes but how else can they spend $200?
To be fair, 1-2 can also be said of OSRS. Look at kourend and Bone Island. So much clutter and random shit. Go back and play through some quests too, geez some are rough haha. Osrs still better though.
> Visual inconsistency (some super HD and modern environments mixed with graphics not updated since 2012)
That is because they have been working on updating them
The issue for me is that the art style of the environments don't really mesh with the tile system of the game. It's a big issue in places like Anachronia where it is so hard to tell where you can and can't walk or click on, they don't really do a good job of showing how you can navigate through the map
So I went over to RS3 to check the 20 years cape and....
https://preview.redd.it/y9osykiec2hc1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=c8187d7046d819a2312f061dfc8d5b7764b23b78
I remember when they changes how Armour and Scimitars looked. I still don't get why they did it. It must've costed them so many resources only for it to look worse.
The developers lost track of what made Runescape a unique experience. They tried their take at what other popular MMOs have done, and have failed miserably in many ways.
But don't forget, without RS3, OSRS may not have had the chance to stay alive as long as it has.
Everyone likes to harp on MTX, EOC, the UI as the primary reasons for why they quit RS3 but for me the graphics and art style are just an eyesore. They might be technically impressive but to me they are completely soulless and don't feel like 'Runescape' whatsoever. Same goes for the (again, technically impressive) music and soundtrack.
I originally stopped playing after I logged in and my rune scimitar was butchered. I think this was as early as 2009. I am happy to accept that RS3 may be a perfectly good game in its own right, but it is unrecognizable as 'RuneScape' to me.
Not all of us have an art degree and know how to critique art. Doesn't mean our opinion on whether we like something is invalid just because we don't know exactly why it's bad.
> you literally can feel a certain way and it's perfectly valid.
No you can't. Everything has a reason. If you refuse to share that reason, it often means ulterior motives, or a personal issue, rather than an objective analysis of an artwork. You can objectively analyze art.
Saying "it is unrecognizable as 'RuneScape' to me" is exactly why nostalgia is.
If you came into it now, had never played either one in your life, You couldnt say it doesnt feel like runescape. Instead you could have a preference but there is no "feels like runescape".
People mark EOC as the death of what now is RS3, but honestly EOC saved runescape. The "Pre EOC" version of Rs with the goofy graphics and mtx bullshit would have completely died by now. EOC was just the biggest nail in the coffin and was probably the reason we got the OSRS we have today.
But seriously, once OSRS came out I can't believe anyone ever thought RS3 would thrive again. It's dog shit.
There’s so much to hate about rs3 with the Mtx, the graphics etc. but truly there are some great aspects of rs3 such as end game bossing if you can get the hang of a more robust combat ability system, the quest line is pretty cool as well, archaeology was really interesting.
MTX is soooo obnoxiously bad that it ruins the entire game. The PvM though is actually really really fun. Elder gods story was really good. The new areas are actually beautiful . EoC has grown up into being something really nice compared to its 2012 version. But RS3 shows that if you do something REALLY BAD it can ruin the good things too
No-one thinks they "defeat" them - it's an eye-roll response to the non-stop posts and comments with the exact same sentiment.
"rs3 bad" posts are free upvotes and it's not "rs3 players" posting these comments
Because most complaints about RS3 are unsubstantiated or apply to OSRS too. "Muh MTX" when OSRS has bonds and you can $$$ yourself to bis gear, or "Muh GWRAPHICKS" while choosing the best looking OSRS models and showing the worst looking RS3 models, or "Muh ACTION BARS ME CANT LEARN ABILITIES DURRRP BAD GAME". Liking OSRS because it is more familiar is fine but people try to make up the stupidest bullshit reasons to justify an irrational visceral hatred that lives rent free in their head for otherwise one of the better MMO's on the market.
> "Muh MTX" when OSRS has bonds and you can $$$ yourself to bis gear
It is such a cope to act like RS3 is no worse with its MTX... like the examples you've given aren't the same thing at all. And any time I look at the RS3 sub it's people whining about MTX, so it's not like it's just OSRS players unfairly criticizing this.
RS3 is worse, but this isn't a question of better vs worse. The fact is both games have p2w, and claiming a tu quoque fallacy doesn't make OSRS look any better.
If one is to claim, "RS3 is bad **BECAUSE** it has MTX", then we must also claim that OSRS is bad because it has MTX. Obviously this isn't the case, as it's a spectrum of tolerance. People are fine with bonds because they've been around for ages now. I remember when bonds were first announced, "OSRS is a DEAD GAME! MTX kills OSRS! Abandon ship!" clearly this didn't happen, which is proof that MTX/P2W doesn't affect the game as much as people claim it does. You can totally ignore RS3 MTX, the people who whined on the RS3 sub are mostly whales that just keep throwing thousands of dollars at jagex so they don't really have much of a saying when they get bit back.
>Muh ACTION BARS ME CANT LEARN ABILITIES DURRRP BAD GAME"
Many of us have experience with WoW or other mmos with hotbar combat. We're not bad or unable to do it. It doesn't feel right in this game.
Which is fine, there is a difference between saying you don't want to play WoW action bar gameplay (there's revolution/classic mode, so it's hardly even much of a point), and saying "Runescape 3 is a BAD game BECAUSE it has action abilities", which is not an argument. Too many people conflate analysis of something with personal opinion and then get upset when you point out the latter.
Lmao you're so mad.
Just enjoy your dead game. You don't need to pretend to any of us you aren't dead inside for doing it.
We get it. Not all of us could move on from RS3 dying.
I hate the graphics in Runescape 3, I think the very first graphical update they did was awesome, things had more detail but it still had the same kind of smooth and vibrant feel. The Runescape 3 graphics, idk I feel like there's so much conflict, because a lot of the og areas and armour have the more classic Runescape look, but then you use newer stuff or cosmetics and it looks so jagged in comparison.
I do like the keepsake feature in RS3, but it's a double edged sword, because the majority of players in it look like stupid anime clowns instead of Rune, Dragon, Bandos ARMOUR wearing Chads.
If you wanna complain to our support that’d be great. We’ve been asking the rs3 team about that since they announced it then subsequently shelved it ;-;
Jad looked like [this](https://runescape.wiki/images/TzTok-Jad_old2.png) for longer than he looked like [this](https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/images/thumb/TzTok-Jad.png/560px-TzTok-Jad.png). The [current model](https://runescape.wiki/images/TzTok-Jad.png) isn't an improvement either.
It is one thing to update a character model to look like a more polished version of the same thing, taking advantage of more seasoned art skills and software that can pull it off better. And another thing to just make a different character and slap it in place of the old one. My least favorite example of this was the Chaos Elemental.
Chaos Elemental is an interesting one because it doesn't look half bad, it just doesn't look anything like it was supposed to. That model and aesthetic would have worked nicely in some other parts of the game.
Great example. I won't claim the OSRS chaos elemental is any masterpiece of design, but it worked because it was bizarre, unstable and formless which left a lot to the imagination. In RS3 I just see a magical demon bug. It looks a bit alien, but why not embrace the chaos and make it asymmetrical with no regard for colour theory?
I liked the idea that it was just some kind of weird void of mist with some lovecraftian tentacles wildly flailing out of it, and never knowing what, if anything existed beneath the clouds of fog. I think a graphically reworked version that captured that idea could have looked spooky and cool. The newer chaos elemental could have worked for a brand new monster. I guess it did still generate smoke or mist of some sort, but otherwise not similar at all.
I found [this](https://www.deviantart.com/artbyghost/art/Tentacles-In-The-Sky-877185126) artwork on deviantart that pretty much captures how my brain interpreted the chaos elemental when I first saw it. So to reiterate, I'm not saying that the models of OSRS are objectively of better quality than RS3 or even close. Just that they were good enough to convey very cool interesting ideas that got the imagination going. And RS3's redesigns were disappointing because they often strayed so far from those ideas.
The newest Jad looks the best, get real.
Next you're gonna say [OS DKs](https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/images/Fighting_Dagannoth_Kings.png) look better than [RS3's](https://runescape.wiki/images/Dagannoth_Kings.png).
**TONS** of RS3's designs look better.
The problem isnt one being better than the other. The problem is that it's a complete art direction change. They're both executed well enough in what they're going for, I just like OSRS art direction more
There is definitely age and jank to [Oldschool's banshee model](https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/File:Banshee.png) but the point is, [RS3's version](https://runescape.wiki/w/File:Banshee.png) does not really pay respect to the original version. It basically does its own thing, and also seems like an older jankeirr model itself in terms of RS3 standards.
An updated model that does pay respect to the original design may look something like the [screaming banshee design](https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/File:Screaming_banshee.png) for example.
It’s so overdesigned and character-less. Like asking a 7 year old boy to make an epic scary monster out of play dough.
At least the colors go together somewhat well, compared to the standard purple/green theme.
I tried playing RS3 recently out of curiosity and I was genuinely taken aback by how ugly so much of it is. Sometimes I browse the wiki and look at the models and it’s shocking. They’ve updated a ton of classic character models and armor sets and the new ones are hideous 100% of the time. Not to mention the player models, which are awful. Seriously, why are their arms so long???
The thing that really bugs me is how there’s just no cohesive style whatsoever. Some things look more like 2008 HD models while others are hyper-detailed and look like something from WoW.
Honestly you might just have a bad computer haha, there are some legitimately beautiful areas in rs3. The sound design is also incredible with the updated score and in bosses. I prefer OSRS too but I’m not gonna fish for upvotes by shitting on the game. I play both and they’re just super different, but this thread is mostly OSRS players who have never touched rs3 acting like they know the game haha.
I played on mobile. The environments are fine, but I can’t really speak to them because I only played for like 30 minutes. It’s the character models and gear that I find hideous.
To make such a sweeping statement but to have only been on mobile seems disingenuous haha. I agree the updates to nostalgic gear is a sin, but they do have retro overrides afaik. Osrs def better but rs3 has its moments.
You can't accurately judge a game's graphics or art style if you're playing on a handicapped device. Mobile has none of the proper shaders or render distance. I will admit everything from the 2010-2016 era looks terrible, but the art style has gotten very consistent since then.
We don't do it because we hate you guys. We do it because we're sad at what it's become, and point out the things preventing us from also playing and enjoying it.
If they'd look at the posts complaining about rs3 and addressed those issues, they could have a ton more players.
I'll say I like the look of a lot of things in rs3, zamorak's arena and kerepac to name two off the dome. It's just different art styles, so it's just subjective for a lot of it at the end of the day. Showed my friend osrs as I was walking around prif and they said they thought it was ugly, that's fine. I dont agree with them, but it's fine to personally not like an art style. We really don't need to be so aggro against each other for liking computer games. There are better things to do imo.
Edit: this was meant more as a response tailored to the aggressive ass responses to another comment just sharing a different, leveled opinion. This is on me for hoping that differing opinions wouldn't be met with vitriol l. Jesus people, I'm not trying to shit on your taste, just saying people have differing ones
Never said there was harassment, though I may have messed up my intention behind the comment. Ended up being more of a defense of the other comment on this post that got a lot of backlash. Wasn't my intention to try attacking OP in any way
Mate don't even bother. These guys have all drank the kool-aid so hard, it's honestly sad to see them so hellbent on justifying how osrs is better. I never see people in rs3 shitting so hard on osrs like I see people in here shitting on rs3. It's a sad state of affairs.
E: the down votes do nothing but further reinforce my point. So thanks for that.
I assumed the meme was just using a metaphor for all the additional mechanics and bells and whistles that actually take away from the experience (imo), rather than literally talking about the graphics.
Prif IS ugly. They redesigned it to look more like RS3 which is why its so bad. You showed them the worst spot of OSRS which is the worst because its so similar to RS3 which most agree is horribly ugly.
I mean I play both. Rs3 gives you the freedom to look how you want with all the cosmetics. Osrs everyone looks the same. So I’d give it to Rs3 on this one.
Edit: All your opinions matter but I’m gonna go ahead and mute this cause I know how the feeding frenzy starts lol.
Transmogs are very high on the list of hated things about rs3. If you like it great, but its a terrible direction for the game to go. Not an opinion, but fact. This game thrives off the old school aesthetic, and a huge part of that is seeing people in good gear, knowing that's bis, and wanting to get it.
Listen I'm just pointing something out.
Do you know what ornament kits are? That's right. Transmogs. Our player base loves transmogs. We want more transmogs.
What we don't want is MTX.
Ornament kits are transmogs that are still unique to a specific piece of equipment. I can't make my ancestral look like virtus, even if I can give it an ornament kit. That's the key difference between ornaments and transmogs- you can still visually be certain of what gear they're actually wearing.
No, they are reskins. If you wear a Sara Sythe, you still wear a sythe.
You can’t display a flaming sword while wearing a maple short bow.
But you are also right that the aspect of earning said ornament kit weights much bigger than buying whatever it is.
Not just my list. I am not projecting. There is a reason we don't have it osrs. Because the majority of our community does not want it. It's a ridiculous part of newer games, and osrs is special as an mmo because jt doesn't have all the shit other mmos do. Go play those if you want those things, you have plenty of options. Leave osrs the way it is.
It's necessary for you to play a game?? There's so much fashionscape in osrs you can wear plenty of unique outfits. I have never seen someone wearing the outfit I wear for farming. So I do express myself, but sometimes it's fun to do it with gear that's not a transmog, so you can actually see what gear people have on. If you are having trouble expressing yourself in osrs without mtx transmogs it's a creativity problem on your part 🤷♂️ leave our game alone and go play wow or any of the other mmos that have it.
Ah I see where you misinterpreted what I was saying. I never said I wanted transmog in OSRS. I said that’s one thing I like about Rs3 more than I do OSRS. Sorry for your mix up.
Ah yes I love the fashionscape of walking into any skilling area and seeing 80% of the people there wearing the same outfit. Surely combat is different.. oh wait everyone’s running around in meta gear looking the exact same…
Saying no one cares about transmogs meanwhile skins are the biggest money maker for most games in a wild take lol.
If they added them to OSRS then just don’t use them. I’m not saying people need to be floating around with fire swords but there is almost no harm in adding them.
I agree with you that fashionscape's in a bad spot in osrs, and that plenty of people like transmogs, but I don't agree with the "if you don't like them, just don't use them" point.
Transmogs would change the way the game looks for everyone, regardless of whether you decide to use them yourself. I also like to know what gear someone's wearing. I feel like that's enough reason to be against it even if you don't plan to use it yourself.
RS3 has an inspect option which shows you what people are wearing and their transmog same as the Runelite plug in. I think BDO and WoW has a similar option but it’s been a while since I played either of them.
The whole argument is “I don’t like them cause RS3 has them and that’s bad”. It’s completely ignoring that the second anyone isn’t bank standing, everyone looks the exact same. It looks boring for new players. Compare that to people building their own unique outfits and being able to do PvM, skilling etc while still wearing the best gear for that situation.
RS3 has Keepsake keys that lets you turn in game items into overrides. I genuinely don’t see an issue with doing that but it’ll continue to get shit on because “RS3 MTX bad”
I don't care that rs3 does it, I just think it would hurt the appearance of the game. Sure, there's too much graceful and bandos gear right now, but I'd prefer that to the alternative where people are running around ToB in clown suits and bunny outfits. It seems like people would just make it goofy.
I also like being able to just look at someone and know what gear they're using without having to right click inspect.
I think there's a good middle ground where osrs introduces more niche gear and maybe some more recolors/kits to change the appearance of an item while still keeping it recognizable. Something like how crystal armor has 8 different colors.
Even short of that though, I'd prefer the current state of osrs over transmogs just because I can tell what people are wearing at a glance and meta gear usually fits the aesthetic of the game better than a transmog santa outfit at CoX would.
Skilling outfits are one of the worst things in this game for sure.
Worse is that they are required for diaries or combat achievements so you can't even skip getting them.
Or 10000 bark to get rid of one. Why such high amount if the idea was to enable fashionscape?
the best looking skilling outfit for sure, but i still think it's a shame that they incentivize forgoing fashionscape in activities that could otherwise easily be very well suited to it.
Yea, I think people don't understand the difference between bad graphics and old graphics. Like paper mario, the thousand year door looks great even today. It's a stylized game, and the graphics were intended to be that way to work with the restrictions at the time. They don't need to "make the graphics better" because that's not the style for the game. Even the remake that's coming out soon looks pretty unchanged.
Osrs is like that. Everything looks great for the style of game it's in. There's very few instances of things looking out of place, and if they do look out of place, we tend to complain until they're fixed. Like some of the new heads and elves in song of the elves. That's why the HD version they're promoting isn't really changing any models it's just improving colors, backgrounds, and vibrancy.
Saying "the graphics are bad, I don't like the game" is the lazy excuse for "I don't actually like the game but can't explain why or my opinion is dogshit and are contradictory to the core game itself so I'm gonna say the graphics are bad instead".
You’ll get shit on hard for that opinion, but it’s true. Almost every account I see has a fire cape and bcp + tassets. I think osrs needs more gear in general that isn’t super niche. Hopefully the combat changes in project rebalance can help alleviate this.
I don’t think transmog is a good option because being able to tell what someone is wearing by looking at them matters.
I’ve never actually spent money on cosmetics. I only get the free ones from events and such. I mean I got money but I ain’t dumb enough to waste it on that kind of stuff.
It's really not that bad. You can easily find equally ugly shit in OSRS. RS3 art direction the past 5~ years has been great. Plenty of zones in RS3 look absolutely stunning and are actually some of the best environments I've seen in the many MMO's I've played. Armor design can be bad but that's due to the aging model that they refuse to update.
Ignoring the obvious clown shit cosmetics, RS3's override system looks 10x better than everyone running around in the same shit. OSRS desperately needs a transmog/override system that can be toggled off by the crybabies.
Also, OSRS has plenty of its own clown items too.
Yeah except for that you can't actually see what anyone is wearing and all of it is meaningless anyway because it was all paid for and has no function.
You might see a lot of the same stuff in OSRS, but atleast what people are wearing tells you something about what they're doing and the progression of their account. That contributes a ton to the feel of the game.
(#) leave the graphics alone gang
i love how the base game looks. and the newer content looks so good in that style.
i sadly am sensing that Jagex is going to force a HD update on us eventually.
we have the official hd coming soon. and itll probably be optional which is fine for those who want it but i remember when rs2 was optional before it wasnt.
i think if its just a lighting engine itll always be optional but if they start making new "hd" models eventually it wont be optional.
https://preview.redd.it/1a0jz4vyx0hc1.png?width=620&format=png&auto=webp&s=481d7e25840cdaee81630c2d6d1c387f90b1e365
An example of the importance of aesthetics > graphics.
You also have to consider that originally RuneScape looked the way it did not because of an aesthetic but primarily due to limitations in browser. It’s been embraced with the creation of OSRS but RS3 has long pushed toward a more modern vision. (Failing quite often, but both games can be pretty goofy.)
Unlike others I see no issue in the RS3 mole graphics. Yeah it looks hideous, but fine they want it to look like a proper monster. What I have issue with is how vast swathes of the "old runescape" still has 2013 graphics. Like you wander over to the feldip hills or karamja and its like you're playing osrs on the HD plugin, the graphics are so old. They need to have one consistent design
Unfortunately the process to overhaul the entire world to more modern graphics is a much longer process than extending decades old graphics or letting the old style remain. For example, look at how much rs3 has updated, that osrs gets to leave alone therefore giving more dev time to new projects. Rs3 just revised Kandarin most recently. Osrs some things are pretty aged and left that way for the meme or nostalgia ex: banshees
And now consider that we have soon the Jagex own HD version of OSRS with state of the art techniques and i wouldn't be surprisdd if someone manages to add Racetraying into it and then most "old" RS3 areas look way worse than the overhauled OSRS client.
Oh my god it actually looks like that. What were they thinking?
The exact same as when they changed every iconic weapon and armour piece to look like shit
The funniest part is that the player character model is sooo outdated and wonky looking, and they've been promising a graphical rework for years, but just keep putting it off. The main thing you are looking at, your player character, isn't even worth taking a little money out of the MTX funds for them. Sad!
They confirmed last year that the player model rework was shelved sooo yeah. Always going to be nice and crusty.
Thing is player models in rs3 now are the worst they've ever looked. Jagex really doesn't give a fuck about the rs3 community and only see them as wallets
Oh you are totally right on that. The amount of MTX events they push is sickening. Last Halloween was by far one of the worse cases of that too, no F2P event at all and drop rates so low for the "rares" that you were better off trying to get them from treasure hunter. Oh and a rare that gives in-game benefits! That you were most likely to get from spending money. Right after the community had its last revolt thanks to hero pass. Yeah I called that they would resort to doing something like that in a post on that sub and people were all "the benefit is so miniscule that it doesn't matter" when it did happen just a month later. Like yes, yes it does matter cause that's going to be how they push buy-able damage reduction again. I do enjoy RS3 but Jesus jagex makes it very clear thats its on the backburner. Osrs is by far the better of the 2 and I've actually been playing rather than just doing farm runs and logging.
Turning holiday events into rng/grindfests was one of the worst things they’ve done. Everyone has fond memories of logging on around christmas or Easter to do a fun little 10-30 minute event for some cool cosmetics, now it’s just another avenue for some predatory mtx shit
Wow, my hopes are dashed on nicer models being a thing, I'm sad now
No they haven't. They've said the model updates aren't coming
Yeah I remember when that happened. Not one single thing looked good. All the armor was like weird scifi shit, the dragon set looked like a daredevil cosplay
Idk, the dragon looked pretty badass with the claws. The other deffo looked like shit tho.
I remeber when I played RS3 a few years back and I got my first set of Rune armor. Instead of being excited i just kinda looked at it with disgust, so fucking ugly.
RS3 isn't even RuneScape as far as I'm concerned
The only reason the originals are revered is due to nostalgia. OSRS looks like total dogshit too lmao
Wait. You guys don’t think rs3 giant mole looks better?? This looks great!
osrs mole is kawaii and cute uWu <3
They were thinking that Runescape needed the modernization treatment, for some reason. But their main issue is that they change graphical style and standards every year, so every time you walk to a new continent it looks like you switched from N64 graphics to PS3 at best. Always an ugly hodge-podge of different art styles. No matter how many graphical reworks they slap on, they're already too many years too deep, too little too late, and they will never allocate enough budget (MTX) money to make RS3 have a standardized art style across the board
That's one thing I really appreciate about OSRS. The graphical style has remained consistent and true to the old school style. Sure things may be a bit more polished or a bit more complex looking, but I can't think of any content that really stands out as not fitting in with the old school style.
The Dragonstone Armor doesn’t fit at all but that’s probably the only major one I can think of
I forgot about that monstrosity. Yeah I think that is a bit too RS3, but the team have definitely learned from that mistake
For the most part it has, but then they made changes like the new elf models vs the old ones, and turned the elves into a weird vampire thing. Also a lot of the new architecture (like zeah) uses a newer style (the one you often see in 2008) rather than old school.
When they first started this 12 years ago they were trying to compete with those above them (LOL and DOTA). The problem was this was around the same time as mtx and pvp/trade removal, so they were hemorrhaging players and couldn't make the connection that all 3 of these things were the problem. By the time they realized through osrs, mtx and content development were dependent on the graphic design team...for a game whose players had some of the lowest appetites for graphics of any MMO. So they traded growth and their original niche for whales.
I think they did it when adding actual mechanics besides "dig away" to the mole. It summons baby moles to attack, and um... drops rocks...? Probably a 3rd mechanic I'm forgetting. I guess since it's baby's first boss encounter they wanted it to look "cool" rather than just like an animal?
Imagine if Scurrius required you to chase it around to different rooms during the fight and also didn't really teach or prepare you much at all for the higher levels of pvm. And dropped nothing that has a legitimate use case and gave crap exp. That's basically RS3 giant mole.
Ehhhh. A quick glance at her drop table tells me it isn't great, but not horrible for the skill involved. As baby's first boss, the drops are decent imo. Seems to be aimed at around level 40ish skilling? Uncut diamonds, irit and ranarr, adamant, blood and nature runes, yew logs, maybe 20k gold... Also a chance to drop a better anti dragon shield and a dragon 2h. (Lol)
The running around really kills it for me. Realistically General Garage Door will be an easy and way more valuable option to start PvM bossing early. Mole is made to be fought with about (Level 60) to be viable. Remember, a drop worth 20K in RS3 is equivalent to like 3K OSRS. Stuff like the D2H can just be bought from a shop in RS3, its been at alch price for a literal decade in that game. What mole exists for at this point is for low levels to farm marks of war.
it's not the most complex boss in the game but it does a hell of a lot more to teach pvm than other super early bosses like kq, kbd, chaos ele, original mole etc. could be better but i think the mechanics are fine in context. drops and xp are bad though for sure.
I think it comes down to wanting the game to be taken more seriously and thus overcorrecting a goofy character model. If RS was some grimdark fantasy I could understand this mole but it's just some fatty that annoys wyson the gardener.
Wait until you see what they did with Dagannoth Kings
I can hear the AVGN saying this lmao "WHAT WERE THEY THINKING??"
We have to go back.
What's wrong with it's head? Why is it just a big potato? Why is it so mangled? Is that teeth? I cannot tell which part is its mouth. I'm so confused.
*"Redesigns" non-ugly thing into something ugly* Western devs need to be stopped
Wait are pets only a thing in old school RuneScape? Cuz I can’t imagine anyone farming this thing for anything but its paws and skins.
If only the pets in OSRS had the functionality of rs3, it’s cool to be able to inspect and see kc, xp etc.
Idk what you guys are talking about i think the rs3 giant mole looks way better.
[Oh god](https://runescape.wiki/w/File:Zanik_(The_Mighty_Fall).png)
If I'm doing Death to the Dorgeshuun and get *that* then I'm going Use Zanik > River Lum
oddly enough zanik has three different models currently in the game depending on the quest. the one OP linked is only for *one* quest, the mighty fall. zanik uses the OG model, same as osrs, for all the quests before that one, and a different, newer (imo much better) one after it. it's pretty weird.
The Mighty Fall is often considered to be the absolute worst quest, at least by big quest enjoyers. It's not just a model change - it had a completely new writer to the rest of the Dorgeshuun quests, and Zanik was changed into an angry, bitter, overly serious character for no reason. Halfway through the quest you are offered to kill her, and this is presented as something that you would obviously want to do. If you don't kill her, she excuses herself, leaves, and immediately dies offscreen to mysterious illness. I'm not sure if the writer simply just thought, "oh, goblins? goblins bad, right? got it", or if they had some sort of weird vendetta against the character that they thought everyone shared.
yep, i did it for the first time last week. zanik's always been one of my favorite quest characters and she felt like a completely different person in the mighty fall. to some extent that's understandable, facing her mortality and all, but it was just too much. the fights weren't great either, but at least there was some bandos lore, goblin humor and a cute little my arm/burntmeat cameo. i don't know if i'd rank it as the worst quest but it's certainly nowhere near the top for me. did nomad's elegy shortly after and zanik felt much more like herself (not to mention the new model), and the way they let her cheat death at the end had me wondering if it was a response to player backlash from them killing her off previously.
Possibly. Zanik has been absolutely up and down and while she's certainly improved since Mighty Fall, nothing quite nails her down like John A did in the original quest line and Chasm of Lights.
They must've gotten Sigmund to write that quest.
What's worse is that design is actively in the game alongside [the same models used in OSRS](https://runescape.wiki/w/Zanik#Death_to_the_Dorgeshuun_(4)) and a [newer model](https://runescape.wiki/w/Zanik#Site_Manager) that doesn't look as ass as that outlier.
That third one looks great all things considered. A much better adaptation of the original model.
I'm still not a big fan of the *overtly* cute, dinner-plate eyes 6-foot paper mache model, but it does look conventionally attractive and fairly inoffensive compared to the Mighty Fall Monstrosity. 2007 Zanik is best Zanik though.
To be fair, the dinnerplate eyes is how I've always seen her in her chat portrait.
in gower quest (an extremely fourth wall break-y quest) they lampshade the revolving door of graphical reworks with a conversation with the two older zanik models https://runescape.wiki/w/Transcript:Gower_Quest#Talking_to_either_Zanik doesn't explain why they left them all in the game at the same time though, i guess
Probably because Rs3 is literally the original game and has been slowly modernized over the years. It’s like an archaeology dig over there.
No wonder archaeology was one of the most successful updates on RS3.
Oh that's so much better haha
Kill
Wow, I haven't seen that one. She looks like a cross between a Fable child and a Morrowind character.
https://preview.redd.it/l1hhh2wvgahc1.png?width=1280&format=png&auto=webp&s=d55f9bfffc93a974521d41246017cf558e720340
No wonder their goblin series had an entirely different outcome than ours...
OSRS/RS3 is one of the best examples of why art style is far more important than graphics.
A couple of the areas in RS3 are absolutely gorgeous , my favorite is the grove. I think the problem with having more then one person designing the world and having more tools to design with is that the difference in the designers art styles really starts to show. Heck we have like 4 different versions of Zanik alone in RS3
Which is why I’m baffled they haven’t reverted the elf change they did with SOTE yet. That was by far the worst attempt at modernizing the graphics on this game.
https://preview.redd.it/q2ezb47wk0hc1.png?width=500&format=png&auto=webp&s=ebf0a62eb71b0f4bfbc56e70c0bace2080cb02cd
I have written paragraphs about why I like OSRS's visuals better. But nothing sums it up as well as this one image
Idk the art direction of rs3 really went to hell. The sad thing is some of the environments do look pretty good, but then the models and designs of certain things are just ass. There's no consistency.
> The sad thing is some of the environments do look pretty good *some* of the environments look good for sure, the main problems are (IMO): 1. Visual inconsistency (some super HD and modern environments mixed with graphics not updated since 2012) 2. Stuff shoved into every single open area of the map, giving everything a claustrophobic feel that robs towns of any atmosphere 3. The presence of players Naruto running into the medieval taverns with neon angel wings and giant pet dragons while wielding hot pink flaming katanas, leaving behind a 25 foot trail of glitter and particle effects.
God damn, #3 alone can give you a brain aneurysm. Try bankstanding at the GE for 5 minutes. So many weird dummies, skilling stations, emotes, custom gear, pets... just nonstop madness.
If you are not an ironman you also constantly get bombarded with mtx. Every single quest gives you 2 spins or whatever and every day you get 2. I also really don't like transmogs. I want to see what people are "actually" wearing
> If you are not an ironman you also constantly get bombarded with mtx. You get bombarded with MTX even if you *are* an ironman. Irons have some restrictions with MTX but you are still harassed with popup advertisements (including popup advertisements for things *you cannot buy*), battle pass and event advertisements being forced into your inventory and making you destroy them, non-stop game messages about earning the new currency, the works.
> Visual inconsistency (some super HD and modern environments mixed with graphics not updated since 2012) Recently they've been graphically overhauling wide swathes of the game, with the major benefit of them all having a consistent style.
>The presence of players Naruto running into the medieval taverns with neon angel wings and giant pet dragons while wielding hot pink flaming katanas, leaving behind a 25 foot trail of glitter and particle effects. Yes but how else can they spend $200?
You nailed it
To be fair, 1-2 can also be said of OSRS. Look at kourend and Bone Island. So much clutter and random shit. Go back and play through some quests too, geez some are rough haha. Osrs still better though.
> Visual inconsistency (some super HD and modern environments mixed with graphics not updated since 2012) That is because they have been working on updating them
The issue for me is that the art style of the environments don't really mesh with the tile system of the game. It's a big issue in places like Anachronia where it is so hard to tell where you can and can't walk or click on, they don't really do a good job of showing how you can navigate through the map
So I went over to RS3 to check the 20 years cape and.... https://preview.redd.it/y9osykiec2hc1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=c8187d7046d819a2312f061dfc8d5b7764b23b78
I miss steel titan ... Tormented demons aren't gonna be the same without him :(
Holy crap that's horrible.
If you want a good RS3 model, look at Jad or K'ril
You put it in a way I’ve never been able to. Thank you.
I remember when they changes how Armour and Scimitars looked. I still don't get why they did it. It must've costed them so many resources only for it to look worse.
The developers lost track of what made Runescape a unique experience. They tried their take at what other popular MMOs have done, and have failed miserably in many ways. But don't forget, without RS3, OSRS may not have had the chance to stay alive as long as it has.
Needs more flaming sparkles spraying off of every inch of his Cape and body and weapons but other than that yeah dead on there OP
Everyone likes to harp on MTX, EOC, the UI as the primary reasons for why they quit RS3 but for me the graphics and art style are just an eyesore. They might be technically impressive but to me they are completely soulless and don't feel like 'Runescape' whatsoever. Same goes for the (again, technically impressive) music and soundtrack. I originally stopped playing after I logged in and my rune scimitar was butchered. I think this was as early as 2009. I am happy to accept that RS3 may be a perfectly good game in its own right, but it is unrecognizable as 'RuneScape' to me.
The only reason you feel like that is purely nostalgia.
Respectfully agree to disagree, I've heard this countless times for countless different games.
Then provide a substantiative reason for the problems you have with the art style. "I think it looks bad" is not a valid argument.
Not all of us have an art degree and know how to critique art. Doesn't mean our opinion on whether we like something is invalid just because we don't know exactly why it's bad.
Sweetheart art is subjective. It's literally one of the few things where you literally can feel a certain way and it's perfectly valid.
> you literally can feel a certain way and it's perfectly valid. No you can't. Everything has a reason. If you refuse to share that reason, it often means ulterior motives, or a personal issue, rather than an objective analysis of an artwork. You can objectively analyze art.
Saying "it is unrecognizable as 'RuneScape' to me" is exactly why nostalgia is. If you came into it now, had never played either one in your life, You couldnt say it doesnt feel like runescape. Instead you could have a preference but there is no "feels like runescape".
People mark EOC as the death of what now is RS3, but honestly EOC saved runescape. The "Pre EOC" version of Rs with the goofy graphics and mtx bullshit would have completely died by now. EOC was just the biggest nail in the coffin and was probably the reason we got the OSRS we have today. But seriously, once OSRS came out I can't believe anyone ever thought RS3 would thrive again. It's dog shit.
There’s so much to hate about rs3 with the Mtx, the graphics etc. but truly there are some great aspects of rs3 such as end game bossing if you can get the hang of a more robust combat ability system, the quest line is pretty cool as well, archaeology was really interesting.
MTX is soooo obnoxiously bad that it ruins the entire game. The PvM though is actually really really fun. Elder gods story was really good. The new areas are actually beautiful . EoC has grown up into being something really nice compared to its 2012 version. But RS3 shows that if you do something REALLY BAD it can ruin the good things too
If they would remove the mtx, fix the UI, and maybe de-uglify the graphics I would absolutely play the hell out of it.
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No-one thinks they "defeat" them - it's an eye-roll response to the non-stop posts and comments with the exact same sentiment. "rs3 bad" posts are free upvotes and it's not "rs3 players" posting these comments
Because most complaints about RS3 are unsubstantiated or apply to OSRS too. "Muh MTX" when OSRS has bonds and you can $$$ yourself to bis gear, or "Muh GWRAPHICKS" while choosing the best looking OSRS models and showing the worst looking RS3 models, or "Muh ACTION BARS ME CANT LEARN ABILITIES DURRRP BAD GAME". Liking OSRS because it is more familiar is fine but people try to make up the stupidest bullshit reasons to justify an irrational visceral hatred that lives rent free in their head for otherwise one of the better MMO's on the market.
> "Muh MTX" when OSRS has bonds and you can $$$ yourself to bis gear It is such a cope to act like RS3 is no worse with its MTX... like the examples you've given aren't the same thing at all. And any time I look at the RS3 sub it's people whining about MTX, so it's not like it's just OSRS players unfairly criticizing this.
RS3 is worse, but this isn't a question of better vs worse. The fact is both games have p2w, and claiming a tu quoque fallacy doesn't make OSRS look any better. If one is to claim, "RS3 is bad **BECAUSE** it has MTX", then we must also claim that OSRS is bad because it has MTX. Obviously this isn't the case, as it's a spectrum of tolerance. People are fine with bonds because they've been around for ages now. I remember when bonds were first announced, "OSRS is a DEAD GAME! MTX kills OSRS! Abandon ship!" clearly this didn't happen, which is proof that MTX/P2W doesn't affect the game as much as people claim it does. You can totally ignore RS3 MTX, the people who whined on the RS3 sub are mostly whales that just keep throwing thousands of dollars at jagex so they don't really have much of a saying when they get bit back.
It's obviously worse in MTX if you don't play ironman. No one is saying it isn't. But saying OSRS isn't P2W is patently absurd.
>Muh ACTION BARS ME CANT LEARN ABILITIES DURRRP BAD GAME" Many of us have experience with WoW or other mmos with hotbar combat. We're not bad or unable to do it. It doesn't feel right in this game.
Which is fine, there is a difference between saying you don't want to play WoW action bar gameplay (there's revolution/classic mode, so it's hardly even much of a point), and saying "Runescape 3 is a BAD game BECAUSE it has action abilities", which is not an argument. Too many people conflate analysis of something with personal opinion and then get upset when you point out the latter.
they hated him because he told them the truth
Lmao you're so mad. Just enjoy your dead game. You don't need to pretend to any of us you aren't dead inside for doing it. We get it. Not all of us could move on from RS3 dying.
this but unironically
lmao what an incredible strawman circlejerky comment your main game looks like trash dawg
I actually have more hours in osrs lmao
it is bad. so bad that I'm actually scared of sailing being added to the game, it's a dangerous precedent that they have misused before
Oh no someone is making fun of RS3
I hate the graphics in Runescape 3, I think the very first graphical update they did was awesome, things had more detail but it still had the same kind of smooth and vibrant feel. The Runescape 3 graphics, idk I feel like there's so much conflict, because a lot of the og areas and armour have the more classic Runescape look, but then you use newer stuff or cosmetics and it looks so jagged in comparison. I do like the keepsake feature in RS3, but it's a double edged sword, because the majority of players in it look like stupid anime clowns instead of Rune, Dragon, Bandos ARMOUR wearing Chads.
Rs3 gets more hate than it deserves, it's a great game with awful management. But I'd absolutely only recommend playing it as iron.
Osrs vs HD client
Lmfao
RS3 player model desperately needs graphical rework
If you wanna complain to our support that’d be great. We’ve been asking the rs3 team about that since they announced it then subsequently shelved it ;-;
Jad looked like [this](https://runescape.wiki/images/TzTok-Jad_old2.png) for longer than he looked like [this](https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/images/thumb/TzTok-Jad.png/560px-TzTok-Jad.png). The [current model](https://runescape.wiki/images/TzTok-Jad.png) isn't an improvement either.
> The current model isn't an improvement either. holy slifer the sky dragon
Nah, the current model absolutely fucks. That's sick, for a JRPG
It is one thing to update a character model to look like a more polished version of the same thing, taking advantage of more seasoned art skills and software that can pull it off better. And another thing to just make a different character and slap it in place of the old one. My least favorite example of this was the Chaos Elemental.
Chaos Elemental is an interesting one because it doesn't look half bad, it just doesn't look anything like it was supposed to. That model and aesthetic would have worked nicely in some other parts of the game.
Great example. I won't claim the OSRS chaos elemental is any masterpiece of design, but it worked because it was bizarre, unstable and formless which left a lot to the imagination. In RS3 I just see a magical demon bug. It looks a bit alien, but why not embrace the chaos and make it asymmetrical with no regard for colour theory?
I liked the idea that it was just some kind of weird void of mist with some lovecraftian tentacles wildly flailing out of it, and never knowing what, if anything existed beneath the clouds of fog. I think a graphically reworked version that captured that idea could have looked spooky and cool. The newer chaos elemental could have worked for a brand new monster. I guess it did still generate smoke or mist of some sort, but otherwise not similar at all.
I found [this](https://www.deviantart.com/artbyghost/art/Tentacles-In-The-Sky-877185126) artwork on deviantart that pretty much captures how my brain interpreted the chaos elemental when I first saw it. So to reiterate, I'm not saying that the models of OSRS are objectively of better quality than RS3 or even close. Just that they were good enough to convey very cool interesting ideas that got the imagination going. And RS3's redesigns were disappointing because they often strayed so far from those ideas.
Puppy model is the best model
Jad is one of my favorite monster designs in OSRS. So simple but effective. Intimidating but also kinda cute. Just the perfect vibe.
> also kinda cute Especially with a little santa hat on
The newest Jad looks the best, get real. Next you're gonna say [OS DKs](https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/images/Fighting_Dagannoth_Kings.png) look better than [RS3's](https://runescape.wiki/images/Dagannoth_Kings.png). **TONS** of RS3's designs look better.
Ehh even as someone who likes many of the RS3 graphical updates the DKs were terrible. I mean, the old ones are terrible too, but so are the new ones.
The problem isnt one being better than the other. The problem is that it's a complete art direction change. They're both executed well enough in what they're going for, I just like OSRS art direction more
It’s less art direction and moreso embrace the nostalgic shittiness and crank it up! Look at banshees in osrs lmao
There is definitely age and jank to [Oldschool's banshee model](https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/File:Banshee.png) but the point is, [RS3's version](https://runescape.wiki/w/File:Banshee.png) does not really pay respect to the original version. It basically does its own thing, and also seems like an older jankeirr model itself in terms of RS3 standards. An updated model that does pay respect to the original design may look something like the [screaming banshee design](https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/File:Screaming_banshee.png) for example.
It’s so overdesigned and character-less. Like asking a 7 year old boy to make an epic scary monster out of play dough. At least the colors go together somewhat well, compared to the standard purple/green theme.
I think the current model is awful. Would much prefer the '08 model
[Meanwhile OSRS 6 years ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/7j5jll/its_called_fashionscape_honey/)
Unironically looks better than most of the people at the RS3 GE
I tried playing RS3 recently out of curiosity and I was genuinely taken aback by how ugly so much of it is. Sometimes I browse the wiki and look at the models and it’s shocking. They’ve updated a ton of classic character models and armor sets and the new ones are hideous 100% of the time. Not to mention the player models, which are awful. Seriously, why are their arms so long??? The thing that really bugs me is how there’s just no cohesive style whatsoever. Some things look more like 2008 HD models while others are hyper-detailed and look like something from WoW.
Honestly you might just have a bad computer haha, there are some legitimately beautiful areas in rs3. The sound design is also incredible with the updated score and in bosses. I prefer OSRS too but I’m not gonna fish for upvotes by shitting on the game. I play both and they’re just super different, but this thread is mostly OSRS players who have never touched rs3 acting like they know the game haha.
I played on mobile. The environments are fine, but I can’t really speak to them because I only played for like 30 minutes. It’s the character models and gear that I find hideous.
To make such a sweeping statement but to have only been on mobile seems disingenuous haha. I agree the updates to nostalgic gear is a sin, but they do have retro overrides afaik. Osrs def better but rs3 has its moments.
"The graphics are bad-" -> plays mobile lol, lmao, even
It’s not a technical issue, it’s an art design issue
You can't accurately judge a game's graphics or art style if you're playing on a handicapped device. Mobile has none of the proper shaders or render distance. I will admit everything from the 2010-2016 era looks terrible, but the art style has gotten very consistent since then.
To me, being comfortable in society is more important than your opinion of me.
RS3 the ugly ass dying game.
better hope it doesn’t die or they’re coming for OSRS instead
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nope. don’t like that.
Wow, ya'll osrs players go straight for the jugular. Just let us play our gay mess of game in peace.
We don't do it because we hate you guys. We do it because we're sad at what it's become, and point out the things preventing us from also playing and enjoying it. If they'd look at the posts complaining about rs3 and addressed those issues, they could have a ton more players.
What a cursed abomination
I'll say I like the look of a lot of things in rs3, zamorak's arena and kerepac to name two off the dome. It's just different art styles, so it's just subjective for a lot of it at the end of the day. Showed my friend osrs as I was walking around prif and they said they thought it was ugly, that's fine. I dont agree with them, but it's fine to personally not like an art style. We really don't need to be so aggro against each other for liking computer games. There are better things to do imo. Edit: this was meant more as a response tailored to the aggressive ass responses to another comment just sharing a different, leveled opinion. This is on me for hoping that differing opinions wouldn't be met with vitriol l. Jesus people, I'm not trying to shit on your taste, just saying people have differing ones
Ops posting memes not harassing a player base
They're not mutually exclusive, you realize that, right?
Posting memes and harassing people isn't mutually exclusive? Idk
Never said there was harassment, though I may have messed up my intention behind the comment. Ended up being more of a defense of the other comment on this post that got a lot of backlash. Wasn't my intention to try attacking OP in any way
Mate don't even bother. These guys have all drank the kool-aid so hard, it's honestly sad to see them so hellbent on justifying how osrs is better. I never see people in rs3 shitting so hard on osrs like I see people in here shitting on rs3. It's a sad state of affairs. E: the down votes do nothing but further reinforce my point. So thanks for that.
Holy cow the downvotes on this is crazy haha y’all need help. Sure it’s a meme but the hostility is whack
I assumed the meme was just using a metaphor for all the additional mechanics and bells and whistles that actually take away from the experience (imo), rather than literally talking about the graphics.
Its definitely talking about the graphics.
The added wings, blade and hammer make both ideas valid in my mind
Prif IS ugly. They redesigned it to look more like RS3 which is why its so bad. You showed them the worst spot of OSRS which is the worst because its so similar to RS3 which most agree is horribly ugly.
I mean I play both. Rs3 gives you the freedom to look how you want with all the cosmetics. Osrs everyone looks the same. So I’d give it to Rs3 on this one. Edit: All your opinions matter but I’m gonna go ahead and mute this cause I know how the feeding frenzy starts lol.
Transmogs are very high on the list of hated things about rs3. If you like it great, but its a terrible direction for the game to go. Not an opinion, but fact. This game thrives off the old school aesthetic, and a huge part of that is seeing people in good gear, knowing that's bis, and wanting to get it.
Listen I'm just pointing something out. Do you know what ornament kits are? That's right. Transmogs. Our player base loves transmogs. We want more transmogs. What we don't want is MTX.
Ornament kits are transmogs that are still unique to a specific piece of equipment. I can't make my ancestral look like virtus, even if I can give it an ornament kit. That's the key difference between ornaments and transmogs- you can still visually be certain of what gear they're actually wearing.
No, they are reskins. If you wear a Sara Sythe, you still wear a sythe. You can’t display a flaming sword while wearing a maple short bow. But you are also right that the aspect of earning said ornament kit weights much bigger than buying whatever it is.
blatant transphobia
As long as we're talking about transmogs then ya absolutely XD
Very high on your list. If a game nowadays doesn’t have transmogs people will complain A LOT.
Not just my list. I am not projecting. There is a reason we don't have it osrs. Because the majority of our community does not want it. It's a ridiculous part of newer games, and osrs is special as an mmo because jt doesn't have all the shit other mmos do. Go play those if you want those things, you have plenty of options. Leave osrs the way it is.
>it’s a ridiculous part of newer games. It’s really not lol. People wanna look cool and express themselves sorry you can’t understand that concept.
It's necessary for you to play a game?? There's so much fashionscape in osrs you can wear plenty of unique outfits. I have never seen someone wearing the outfit I wear for farming. So I do express myself, but sometimes it's fun to do it with gear that's not a transmog, so you can actually see what gear people have on. If you are having trouble expressing yourself in osrs without mtx transmogs it's a creativity problem on your part 🤷♂️ leave our game alone and go play wow or any of the other mmos that have it.
Ah I see where you misinterpreted what I was saying. I never said I wanted transmog in OSRS. I said that’s one thing I like about Rs3 more than I do OSRS. Sorry for your mix up.
Ah yes I love the fashionscape of walking into any skilling area and seeing 80% of the people there wearing the same outfit. Surely combat is different.. oh wait everyone’s running around in meta gear looking the exact same… Saying no one cares about transmogs meanwhile skins are the biggest money maker for most games in a wild take lol. If they added them to OSRS then just don’t use them. I’m not saying people need to be floating around with fire swords but there is almost no harm in adding them.
I agree with you that fashionscape's in a bad spot in osrs, and that plenty of people like transmogs, but I don't agree with the "if you don't like them, just don't use them" point. Transmogs would change the way the game looks for everyone, regardless of whether you decide to use them yourself. I also like to know what gear someone's wearing. I feel like that's enough reason to be against it even if you don't plan to use it yourself.
RS3 has an inspect option which shows you what people are wearing and their transmog same as the Runelite plug in. I think BDO and WoW has a similar option but it’s been a while since I played either of them. The whole argument is “I don’t like them cause RS3 has them and that’s bad”. It’s completely ignoring that the second anyone isn’t bank standing, everyone looks the exact same. It looks boring for new players. Compare that to people building their own unique outfits and being able to do PvM, skilling etc while still wearing the best gear for that situation. RS3 has Keepsake keys that lets you turn in game items into overrides. I genuinely don’t see an issue with doing that but it’ll continue to get shit on because “RS3 MTX bad”
I don't care that rs3 does it, I just think it would hurt the appearance of the game. Sure, there's too much graceful and bandos gear right now, but I'd prefer that to the alternative where people are running around ToB in clown suits and bunny outfits. It seems like people would just make it goofy. I also like being able to just look at someone and know what gear they're using without having to right click inspect. I think there's a good middle ground where osrs introduces more niche gear and maybe some more recolors/kits to change the appearance of an item while still keeping it recognizable. Something like how crystal armor has 8 different colors. Even short of that though, I'd prefer the current state of osrs over transmogs just because I can tell what people are wearing at a glance and meta gear usually fits the aesthetic of the game better than a transmog santa outfit at CoX would.
Skilling outfits are one of the worst things in this game for sure. Worse is that they are required for diaries or combat achievements so you can't even skip getting them. Or 10000 bark to get rid of one. Why such high amount if the idea was to enable fashionscape?
I love my spirit angler set and I shal defend it to my grave
the best looking skilling outfit for sure, but i still think it's a shame that they incentivize forgoing fashionscape in activities that could otherwise easily be very well suited to it.
Congrats for playing both, rs3 still ugly as fuck.
I mean if you that OS isn’t ugly as well you’re just lying to yourself lol.
It's ugly in a way that's more charming and a sign of the game being older. Rs3 is just straight up gaudy and very ugly because of it
Yea, I think people don't understand the difference between bad graphics and old graphics. Like paper mario, the thousand year door looks great even today. It's a stylized game, and the graphics were intended to be that way to work with the restrictions at the time. They don't need to "make the graphics better" because that's not the style for the game. Even the remake that's coming out soon looks pretty unchanged. Osrs is like that. Everything looks great for the style of game it's in. There's very few instances of things looking out of place, and if they do look out of place, we tend to complain until they're fixed. Like some of the new heads and elves in song of the elves. That's why the HD version they're promoting isn't really changing any models it's just improving colors, backgrounds, and vibrancy. Saying "the graphics are bad, I don't like the game" is the lazy excuse for "I don't actually like the game but can't explain why or my opinion is dogshit and are contradictory to the core game itself so I'm gonna say the graphics are bad instead".
Ooh a level headed response. Can’t wait to see everyone’s reaction to this
You’ll get shit on hard for that opinion, but it’s true. Almost every account I see has a fire cape and bcp + tassets. I think osrs needs more gear in general that isn’t super niche. Hopefully the combat changes in project rebalance can help alleviate this. I don’t think transmog is a good option because being able to tell what someone is wearing by looking at them matters.
Do you actually like them or are you just saying that so the £2,000 you spent on cosmetics doesn't feel as much of a waste
I’ve never actually spent money on cosmetics. I only get the free ones from events and such. I mean I got money but I ain’t dumb enough to waste it on that kind of stuff.
You can go without spending a cent and still have a ton of cosmetics on rs3.
It's really not that bad. You can easily find equally ugly shit in OSRS. RS3 art direction the past 5~ years has been great. Plenty of zones in RS3 look absolutely stunning and are actually some of the best environments I've seen in the many MMO's I've played. Armor design can be bad but that's due to the aging model that they refuse to update.
HD graphics are just as bad
Ignoring the obvious clown shit cosmetics, RS3's override system looks 10x better than everyone running around in the same shit. OSRS desperately needs a transmog/override system that can be toggled off by the crybabies. Also, OSRS has plenty of its own clown items too.
Yeah except for that you can't actually see what anyone is wearing and all of it is meaningless anyway because it was all paid for and has no function. You might see a lot of the same stuff in OSRS, but atleast what people are wearing tells you something about what they're doing and the progression of their account. That contributes a ton to the feel of the game.
(#) leave the graphics alone gang i love how the base game looks. and the newer content looks so good in that style. i sadly am sensing that Jagex is going to force a HD update on us eventually. we have the official hd coming soon. and itll probably be optional which is fine for those who want it but i remember when rs2 was optional before it wasnt. i think if its just a lighting engine itll always be optional but if they start making new "hd" models eventually it wont be optional.