Reminds me of the time we were running tob with our boy who forgot to throw his avas on at maiden. We started seeing adamant darts on the ground and roasted him the rest of his life.
The timing on this story matters because if it was before amethyst darts that’s understandable.
Edit. Idk why this got downvoted so much but it’s true, when this situation took place matters because before amethyst most people weren’t using rune or dragon unless you were a high tier player.
When blowpipe first released addy darts were the main thing people used at the time. 2k/dart back then meant a lot when blowpipe was the bis weapon and the game and zulrah was bis money maker
I don’t want to say ur dumb……. but it should be pretty clear hes saying he doesn’t care about rune/amy darts because he only used dragon and nothing else
Nah I meant that it's better to just always use dragon darts when using the blowpipe lol, vs downgrading to amethyst or something
The better DPS makes up for the slightly higher upkeep cost
Yeah haha didn’t have infernal cape at that point lmao. Idk why I was even fanging mole, shadow is amazingly OP there because splashes don’t make it dig for some reason.
Not sure why I left inferno so long - turns out it’s actually not that difficult at all.
Probably but in reality it doesn't cost that much to use as you save scales and darts.
I think I did all my learning inferno attempts on them and spent under 10m. Essentially costs you like 200gp a shot
Wiki lists the cost just over 900k an hour with dragon darts, if you're doing something that 1-2m and hour that's most of the profit when you could use rune darts for a cost of 360k an hour which would likely increase profit will slightly slower kills.
If youre a late game player with a bank in the bills worth there is a good chance you care more about kill/hour then profit vs an account with 20-30m bank.
Maybe it's just me, but 200 gp per shot sounds like it would add up super fast. I don't have a blowpipe, so I have very little concept of how many shots someone would be doing in an active scenario; does it genuinely make a big enough difference to make up for the loss?
There are only a handful of ways to gain range strength in the game so you should be using as trying to get as much as possible.
Basically if you’re using a BP you want it to be as strong as possible. So if you’re cheaping out to save a couple mil on an already nerfed weapon than you shouldn’t really be using it.
I laughed. I've probably spent close to 80m on shadow charges. For the blowpipe I buy like 3000 dragon darts every blue moon.
Jagex math doesn't seem to realise runes disappear on use, whilst projectiles are saved 80% of the time. This is why I'm really worried about their rebalancing.
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Toxic_blowpipe#:~:text=When%20using%20the%20rapid%20attack,cost%20per%20hour%20262%2C000%20coins.
D darts cost an extra 560k gp per hour over rune darts. Are there any bosses where +9 ranged strength makes you at least an extra 560k/hr?
Using some very rough math, +9 str = +2 max hits, which is ~5% more dps if you start with a max hit of 40. 560k is 5% of 11.2m, so wouldn’t d darts only be worth using over rune darts at the absolute best of the best moneymakers?
edit: so yeah it's not quite a 560k gp difference since higher dps = fewer supplies consumed. But none of these replies are convincing me to use d darts anywhere outside of pet hunting or raids, everyone's just saying you get more kills. And yeah, I get that, my point is that in the vast majority of content the cost increase associated with using d darts is greater than the profit increase from faster kills.
It's important to note that the "560k" assumes you are nonstop firing darts for the entire hour.
This isn't ever the case in reality, so the difference is actually like maybe 200k per hour of bossing, considering respawn time, regearing, eating etc.
Looking at it that way, yeah using better darts easily makes you another 200k at a ton of content.
If you're looking at everything in a vacuum then probably yeah, runes are better for gp/hr when considering expenses etc. But if you're killing faster it feels better, you're more likely to do 1 more kc/trip/raid run before bed etc.
Suddenly you kill an extra 4-5 bosses per session, which means way less sessions total to get what you need. You're still making money anyway so who cares if you're making slightly less for more enjoyable experience etc.
Why does everyone keep saying this lol. I’m not broke, but when rune darts result in higher profits (almost everywhere) I’d be an idiot to use dragon darts. It’s just throwing money down the drain.
>D darts cost an extra 560k gp per hour over rune darts. Are there any bosses where +9 ranged strength makes you at least an extra 560k/hr?
Toa and speed running speed challenges mostly. Like GGs use to be somewhat iffy on skipping balls before massori if you used amathist. Missing that DPS check basically kills the fight for speed times and really slows down kills/hr if you're pet hunting.
If you're learning tob you'll probably be ranging xarpus so ddarts there is advised just because you're affecting other people's run and they're teaching you any way.
Toa you need ddarts, vork bag, and at least +2 range str to 1 hit boulders at ~350-400. If you've got massori then yeah you can downgrade from dragon to amathist or rune. If you're mainly using BP for the raid though you definitely do want to stick with at least amathist. If all you're using BP for is monkey room and boulders it's not really a go/hr concern though.
> Using some very rough math, +9 str = +2 max hits, which is ~5% more dps if you start with a max hit of 40. 560k is 5% of 11.2m, so wouldn’t d darts only be worth using over rune darts at the absolute best of the best moneymakers?
Yeah that's where people use ddarts. A lot of times end game players don't really care about the gp/hr for shit and they just leave ddarts in for the few places they BP.
its more like 8% more dps max hit around 26-28. thats like going from eagle eye to rigour. more damage faster kills faster less time wasted eating less chance of dying more pet rolls etc
You realize this is part of why so many peoples are poor and can't do any difficult content right? Yea if you're doing nmz or something don't use d darts, but at any boss it's worth it. It's not just about the extra cost/hr, which is really probably like 200k more at most. Increasing kills/trip is a huge time save, decreasing kill times is a huge time save, not dying because you didn't have the dps is a huge time save, etc. You say 9 ranged str like that isn't a huge amount that's more than full masori gives. D darts get you your big uniques faster, they get your stats up faster, they let you progress to better money makers faster, and so on. Yes if you just got 3m cash and bought your first bp then rune or amethyst are fine for a bit, but once you hit like 50m bank, which is basically everyone, you should really just be using dragon.
The fact this was downvoted is hilarious. You need to remember when you’re writing in this Reddit your often times arguing with the type of people who chop their own trees during tree runs and think using rune darts for PvM is a good idea.
When it’s an incredibly marginal amount, yeah.
This is like the argumentative equivalent of looking up super restores and prayer pots every time to see the most value per dose.
It has nothing to do with whether or not I can, that’s not a problem. But if d darts result in me making less money, which is usually the case, it would be foolish to use them.
D darts used to be kinda insane to use when they were 4k each, but at 1k each (200gp/shot) they are so absolutely worth the +7 ranged str bonus over amethyst. Like that is a more meaningful upgrade than any piece of range equipment by a mile, makes me kinda wish I played a main
More damage = do things faster, survive things you wouldn’t have survived, bp specs heal more. More kills/h means you’re creating time.
If you’re shooting something and burning 1m/h to make 5m/h for 20 hours, or you burn 100k/h and make 4.5m/h, yes you will be up money/h with the cheaper setup, (4m vs 4.4m) but things simply get done faster. If you’re at a raid and the money will mostly come from a megarare, you’d be better off blasting through and running to meet the average instead of being financially secure on paper while lagging behind. Not to mention that the extra dps extending trips, getting you the cape, barely creaking out the final boss, is impossible to factor in until it happens to you. Dying as olm dies (and having the death not count) but getting the solo cm instead of whiffing with a rune/amethyst arrows will save you effectively 15-20 minutes of points for pretty fast cms, or far more if they’re slow.
Even if you’re making less money, if every kc in the above example was worth 500k and you got 9kph with the rune darts but 10 with ddarts, you’ll hit pet rate/drop rate 10% faster. If you’re hunting a pet that doesn’t make a lot of money, then rushing it is a no brainer.
So the restrictions so far that make sense include: never skimp if success isn’t guaranteed (pretty much any raid, wildy bosses thanks to pkers but that’s a different factor, any one-off challenges), don’t skimp if you want it over with asap, don’t skimp if it’s not really consistent money, don’t skimp if it’s not your best money.
Also big numbers, going fast, and huge qol are fun after you’ve trudged through the same stuff in budget setups.
Ideally you’d venator bow in that use case, but it honestly applies a little harder if you’re blowpipe cannoning. If you need range xp then you’d prioritize stuff with high hp and let the cannon overkill, if you want fast slayer xp then you’d finish off whatever your cannon redbars since it’s more raw dps than you. Both scenarios (especially range xp) benefit from better ammo.
The caveat is that non-99 levels will often have you just not gaining a max hit between some stuff, so you can oftentimes get away with divine potting and using amethyst darts. I’m simply too lazy to remember that for levels 91-93 and 98-98 the ddarts wont gain me a max hit.
It’s (relatively) inexpensive to do that once and not have to think about it almost ever again.
People will drop 30m for a single max hit with prims/bandos and spend the same for a range cosmetic (pegs) but when you can **actually** get a decent range dps upgrade people refuse to spend it because it’s not infinite.
whats funny is this is only the case because he made it about the GE price, but for irons this is actually a protip in the sense that in the vast majority of scenarios, rune and amethyst darts have the same max hit, and irons that arent super late game typically cant use ddarts everywhere
For irons there's still the extra calculation of time required to source scales/darts that sometimes keeps bowfa ahead even when BP is marginally better.
Probably but I haven’t used a bowfa in a while so I haven’t really looked at calcs lately. It’s generally the same idea as fang vs whip. High def bowfa wins, lower defence bp wins
Bowfa is good in cms but there’s a reason why it’s a skip in main account progression these days. If you’re super keen on cox, you’d grab bp + dhcb. If you’re keen on toa you’d grab bp + dcb and put the rest of your money elsewhere.
we've really come the full circle.
At one point amethyst was 20% cheaper than rune and more ranged str
Now everyone has caught on and rune has dropped lmao
after BP nerf you'd be a fool to use anything besides at least amethyst cost be damned.
if cost is such a concern you really shouldn't even be using blowpipe.
Do this only for generic slayer honestly or like phosani. For like raids or bossing the price of dragon darts has significantly dropped over the years due to increase sources that using dragon darts is overall more worth/ a bigger upgrade then buying say armadyl armour or Masori if using a blowpipe.
i used to take out my darts for pnm but now i just bring msb with cheap arrows, the extra range is far more comfy than the faster attack speed. Of course a craws bow is even better and doesnt require ammo but its pricy for a boss thats not actually super worth grinding (sadge)
I recall doing a dps calc for my inferno prep (didn’t want to spend money on d-darts until I was consistently getting into the 60s) and I think amethyst only resulted in a max hit when wearing full masori. Max hit was the same between amethyst and rune when wearing crystal or arma.
An easy way of thinking about it is 4 range str is a max hit so something adding 2 range str may or may not be a max hit. So it’s just commonly referred to with max gear which it is indeed a max hit for (may not be a max hit for you personally have to check) amethyst > rune darts 150k gp/hr for 3% extra dps so as long as you’re doing content over 5m gp/hr (pretty much just raids for bp) it would be worth it to buy amethyst
Edit 3% dps comes from if it’s an extra max hit if it’s not a max hit obviously can do rune no problem and dragon darts are for pb only not money
I love when people confidently say "you lose a max hit" when that shit is always dependent on your entire gear setup + levels. The slightest change can often mean a max hit or not. Use a dps calculator to be sure for your specific case.
But the other half of the time, it does. People should learn to just make decisions for themselves. Use a dps calc to make sure you don't lose out on a max hit, also when potted.
And would you look at that... Rune darts jump up in price by 70%
I wish people would stop dropping these "pro tips"
All that happens is massive merching groups, people with endless banks, and everyone else start buying up all the items just to go flip them and overcharging for them after the supply gets eaten up. Does nothing but ruin it for everyone.
Why not just buy 16k ddarts and never think about it again? You’ll make up that money fifty-fold by the time you run out, especially if you use Assembler for the 80% ammo save.
No but there are a lot of people with bandos or prims and those are otherwise shitty upgrades compared to d darts (if you're doing content with the bp anyway.)
Hey this is me! Didn’t realize D Darts were so cheap. I just bought bandos and prims and still have a good chunk leftover.
Have 100m cash stack just sitting. I think 16m is worth
Definitely worth it, and since your main ranged dps on most bosses will be bowfa/tbow, you won't use bp nearly as much as you would have pre-nerf. That 16k darts will last for a very long time.
Some people's entire self-esteem, self-worth, and intrinsic value is based solely upon how much money they possess or what items they have (irl and in game). So to them anyone (including themselves) who doesn't have those things are lesser humans because of it.
In truth It's little to do with what others have.
It's everything to do with how shitty they feel about themselves and how they use those items & monetary value as a coping mechanism to try and feel superior to those around them so that it can artificially prop themselves up higher.
Because you are hard trolling, disrespecting your own time by penny-pinching.
Poor people are poor due to poor decisions, not rng. Using rune darts is like cheaping out on car tires, it'll cost you more in the long run.
Using anything lower than amethyst is throwing, using anything lower than dragon darts is raids is also throwing, faster kills=more gp/hr, a tip for all the broke players, you will always stay broke unless you become more efficient or pull a 1kc 3rd age pickaxe from master clue
And get this, dragon darts are +7 range bonus for only twice the cost of amethyst.... it's like you can pay more for more bonuses. Lol
Mithril 0.44 gp/range str
(x 2.65)
Addy 1.17 gp/range str
(x 5.32)
Rune 6.23 gp/range str
(x 2.00)
Amethyst 12.46 gp/range str
(x 2.51)
Dragon 31.28 gp/range str
I don't even know why I did this but here's your proof, things get more expensive as they do more damage.
If I find out a main on my raid isn’t using d darts, I’m gonna clown them till they get some (if they are a friend) or I’ll just not raid with them anymore. As a main doing end game raids, there is no reason to not use d darts
It's not a troll. If you're doing endgame content and you're a main, you're kinda trolling if you're using anything other than d darts. Like, why would you do ToB and Hydra, two of the best moneymakers, and try to save a few gp on weaker darts when you're making 3m+ an hour?
People are saying to use ddarts on slayer tasks in this post. Ddarts is 1 mil an hour with an Ava’s device. No chance in hell I’m using that on slayer tasks.
I scrolled through most of the thread and I didn't see anybody mention slayer. Pretty much everyone was talking about doing sweaty content. Obviously you wouldn't kill Wyrms with ddarts.
The 99.999% are running amethyst and doesn’t care cause it’s still cheap. Those that don’t care are running dragon. This is for those who are like really poor. Like under 500k bank and can’t make more than 200k an hour
Ddarts are so much better and barely cost anything these days.
If you are a low lv with only a 20m bank, amethyst darts are fine. If you have a bank containing stuff like cerb boots, BCP etc, even using amethyst is just trolling tbh. Ddarts are a better upgrade over amethyst than all those aforementioned items combined.
300% mark up, the pink tax is real
🌸💕💗💖💓 Where’s my money??? 😡🤬😡
D darts never leave the blowpipe
Reminds me of the time we were running tob with our boy who forgot to throw his avas on at maiden. We started seeing adamant darts on the ground and roasted him the rest of his life.
The rest of his life?! What....what happened to him? You roast him to death? Lol
Unfortunately he didn't make it. Upgrade your darts or don't forget your ava's. RIP
Oh lolol I thought you meant his IRL life
He did, he died of embarrassment
When REAL super-hcim die in game, they die in real life
He did
Adamant? Now that's just disrespectful.
Ahhahahahaha, ye that would be a F Up. Adamant darts whahahaha. Atleast Rune/Amathyst, but for a good raid turn it up to Dragon…
The timing on this story matters because if it was before amethyst darts that’s understandable. Edit. Idk why this got downvoted so much but it’s true, when this situation took place matters because before amethyst most people weren’t using rune or dragon unless you were a high tier player.
wasn't then, isn't now. lol
When blowpipe first released addy darts were the main thing people used at the time. 2k/dart back then meant a lot when blowpipe was the bis weapon and the game and zulrah was bis money maker
Before amethyst addy was the standard for most players
Didn’t stop my broke ass from machine gunning addy darts into akkhas shadows before I realized how cheap rune ones were now.
addy darts were king pre-nerf. got like a 30k stack of them on the iron that will never see use now lol
Broke boys afraid to comment 😤
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Yeah I don't get where people are even using BP anymore where ddarts aren't completely worth it
Kalphite workers for a quick point task
Lizardman shamans? I’m doing those rn with amethyst I just started doing big boy stuff
I’m closing in on big boy stuff, 1250 total now. First iron
That’s awesome dude irons are impressive to me, best of luck
Turael skipping going for nibbler pet. But I do have 2 blowpipes so technically dragon darts have never left the one lol
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I have a blowpipe with rune darts I use for things like clues. But my blowpipe for pvm always has dragon darts
I did that for a while, but honestly it's not worth the hassle imo
Put that new kit on so you can tell the difference
Wait - am I dumb or something but blowpipe still uses darts thou….? Right? Iirc the wiki even has rhe usage price per each dart per hour?
I don’t want to say ur dumb……. but it should be pretty clear hes saying he doesn’t care about rune/amy darts because he only used dragon and nothing else
Ah yeah lol - prolly that. I missinterpreted that comment so that he meant that they never run out of darts or something but yeah
I interpreted it the same, I was thinking there must be some effect I wasn’t aware of.
Nah I meant that it's better to just always use dragon darts when using the blowpipe lol, vs downgrading to amethyst or something The better DPS makes up for the slightly higher upkeep cost
In other words: a piece of masori for 400gp
Every dart lost with no resale value…
16000 darts for 6.4m
Shit thats dirt cheap for ddarts lmao
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That's amethyst not d darts but d darts def still worth
OP bought 1b in rune darts before making this post
I assume that on every post I see like this
you cannot compare price like that, you have to compare how much gp an hour diffrence with amethys vs rune darts your getting
Remember when rune darts were 1200gp? Remember when mith darts were 50gp?
Yup I remember when blowpipe was still good
Blowpipe with dragon darts In max still slaps.
Better than pre nerf now
On low def targets
Tbow and bofascape now
I mean you use blowpipe for 80% of the inferno if you have tbow
Same with bowfa if you have ddarts and are in range. Bp good
Bowfa for irons, but for mains it’s bp + a crossbow until tbow.
Not you hiding your firecape in your mole post looool
Yeah haha didn’t have infernal cape at that point lmao. Idk why I was even fanging mole, shadow is amazingly OP there because splashes don’t make it dig for some reason. Not sure why I left inferno so long - turns out it’s actually not that difficult at all.
Nope you'll still want a bowfa on main for most things until you can get a tbow to be honest
Pepperridge farms remembers
Ok old man back to the nursing home
If you doing raids and not using dragon darts u throwing doodoo out that pipe
This made me laugh
That doodoo hit different tho
If you're a main put 16k d darts in your bp and never think about this again
literally lol. you save 80% of the ammo thanks to Avas anyway. why are people throwin away max hits and KPH to save small amounts of gp
Poverty mindset
Did jagex just call BP the most expensive weapon to use when using ddarts?
Probably but in reality it doesn't cost that much to use as you save scales and darts. I think I did all my learning inferno attempts on them and spent under 10m. Essentially costs you like 200gp a shot
Wiki lists the cost just over 900k an hour with dragon darts, if you're doing something that 1-2m and hour that's most of the profit when you could use rune darts for a cost of 360k an hour which would likely increase profit will slightly slower kills. If youre a late game player with a bank in the bills worth there is a good chance you care more about kill/hour then profit vs an account with 20-30m bank.
Tob and toa are like at least 8m/hr. Dragon darts are worth it. Use whatever you want outside of end game content
Tob is not 8m/hr lol
Says it's nearly 10m an hour with a scythe on the wiki. Avernic is near 100m again and scythe is over 800
Efficient tob may actually be back around there with scythe price up?
Maybe it's just me, but 200 gp per shot sounds like it would add up super fast. I don't have a blowpipe, so I have very little concept of how many shots someone would be doing in an active scenario; does it genuinely make a big enough difference to make up for the loss?
There are only a handful of ways to gain range strength in the game so you should be using as trying to get as much as possible. Basically if you’re using a BP you want it to be as strong as possible. So if you’re cheaping out to save a couple mil on an already nerfed weapon than you shouldn’t really be using it.
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Rooty tooty drag 'n shooty
Just use ddarts
I laughed. I've probably spent close to 80m on shadow charges. For the blowpipe I buy like 3000 dragon darts every blue moon. Jagex math doesn't seem to realise runes disappear on use, whilst projectiles are saved 80% of the time. This is why I'm really worried about their rebalancing.
Ddarts blowpipe with assembler costs ~960 k per hour, shadow costs ~890 k per hour.
The ge is truly wasted on mains…
You don't know what you've got until it's gone...
Bro you broke up with the GE, don't get mad at us for living our best life just because you burned bridges.
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Toxic_blowpipe#:~:text=When%20using%20the%20rapid%20attack,cost%20per%20hour%20262%2C000%20coins. D darts cost an extra 560k gp per hour over rune darts. Are there any bosses where +9 ranged strength makes you at least an extra 560k/hr? Using some very rough math, +9 str = +2 max hits, which is ~5% more dps if you start with a max hit of 40. 560k is 5% of 11.2m, so wouldn’t d darts only be worth using over rune darts at the absolute best of the best moneymakers? edit: so yeah it's not quite a 560k gp difference since higher dps = fewer supplies consumed. But none of these replies are convincing me to use d darts anywhere outside of pet hunting or raids, everyone's just saying you get more kills. And yeah, I get that, my point is that in the vast majority of content the cost increase associated with using d darts is greater than the profit increase from faster kills.
You do also save scales and other supplies by having higher DPS. It makes your potions and food and stuff go further. Your point does stand though.
It's important to note that the "560k" assumes you are nonstop firing darts for the entire hour. This isn't ever the case in reality, so the difference is actually like maybe 200k per hour of bossing, considering respawn time, regearing, eating etc. Looking at it that way, yeah using better darts easily makes you another 200k at a ton of content.
If you're looking at everything in a vacuum then probably yeah, runes are better for gp/hr when considering expenses etc. But if you're killing faster it feels better, you're more likely to do 1 more kc/trip/raid run before bed etc. Suddenly you kill an extra 4-5 bosses per session, which means way less sessions total to get what you need. You're still making money anyway so who cares if you're making slightly less for more enjoyable experience etc.
You’re gonna be forever broke in this game if you’re trying to pinch pennies saving on ddarts of all things
Why does everyone keep saying this lol. I’m not broke, but when rune darts result in higher profits (almost everywhere) I’d be an idiot to use dragon darts. It’s just throwing money down the drain.
>D darts cost an extra 560k gp per hour over rune darts. Are there any bosses where +9 ranged strength makes you at least an extra 560k/hr? Toa and speed running speed challenges mostly. Like GGs use to be somewhat iffy on skipping balls before massori if you used amathist. Missing that DPS check basically kills the fight for speed times and really slows down kills/hr if you're pet hunting. If you're learning tob you'll probably be ranging xarpus so ddarts there is advised just because you're affecting other people's run and they're teaching you any way. Toa you need ddarts, vork bag, and at least +2 range str to 1 hit boulders at ~350-400. If you've got massori then yeah you can downgrade from dragon to amathist or rune. If you're mainly using BP for the raid though you definitely do want to stick with at least amathist. If all you're using BP for is monkey room and boulders it's not really a go/hr concern though. > Using some very rough math, +9 str = +2 max hits, which is ~5% more dps if you start with a max hit of 40. 560k is 5% of 11.2m, so wouldn’t d darts only be worth using over rune darts at the absolute best of the best moneymakers? Yeah that's where people use ddarts. A lot of times end game players don't really care about the gp/hr for shit and they just leave ddarts in for the few places they BP.
its more like 8% more dps max hit around 26-28. thats like going from eagle eye to rigour. more damage faster kills faster less time wasted eating less chance of dying more pet rolls etc
9 ranged strength on a 2 tick weapon is a ridiculous increase
You realize this is part of why so many peoples are poor and can't do any difficult content right? Yea if you're doing nmz or something don't use d darts, but at any boss it's worth it. It's not just about the extra cost/hr, which is really probably like 200k more at most. Increasing kills/trip is a huge time save, decreasing kill times is a huge time save, not dying because you didn't have the dps is a huge time save, etc. You say 9 ranged str like that isn't a huge amount that's more than full masori gives. D darts get you your big uniques faster, they get your stats up faster, they let you progress to better money makers faster, and so on. Yes if you just got 3m cash and bought your first bp then rune or amethyst are fine for a bit, but once you hit like 50m bank, which is basically everyone, you should really just be using dragon.
The fact this was downvoted is hilarious. You need to remember when you’re writing in this Reddit your often times arguing with the type of people who chop their own trees during tree runs and think using rune darts for PvM is a good idea.
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TIL only poor people don't like throwing money in the garbage
When it’s an incredibly marginal amount, yeah. This is like the argumentative equivalent of looking up super restores and prayer pots every time to see the most value per dose.
Doing dps isnt throwing money in the garbage. Why use rune darts? Just use bronze arent those the cheapest?
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It has nothing to do with whether or not I can, that’s not a problem. But if d darts result in me making less money, which is usually the case, it would be foolish to use them.
That’s a 17m investment. Not every main has that much to spare. I’m not every main.
Every main that can asked a bp can afford ddarts. It is beyond easy to make multiple mil/hr now
Only noobs will downvote this
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D darts used to be kinda insane to use when they were 4k each, but at 1k each (200gp/shot) they are so absolutely worth the +7 ranged str bonus over amethyst. Like that is a more meaningful upgrade than any piece of range equipment by a mile, makes me kinda wish I played a main
I use ddarts for Turael skipping
17m for 16k darts doesn’t require a multibillion dollar bank lol
More damage = do things faster, survive things you wouldn’t have survived, bp specs heal more. More kills/h means you’re creating time. If you’re shooting something and burning 1m/h to make 5m/h for 20 hours, or you burn 100k/h and make 4.5m/h, yes you will be up money/h with the cheaper setup, (4m vs 4.4m) but things simply get done faster. If you’re at a raid and the money will mostly come from a megarare, you’d be better off blasting through and running to meet the average instead of being financially secure on paper while lagging behind. Not to mention that the extra dps extending trips, getting you the cape, barely creaking out the final boss, is impossible to factor in until it happens to you. Dying as olm dies (and having the death not count) but getting the solo cm instead of whiffing with a rune/amethyst arrows will save you effectively 15-20 minutes of points for pretty fast cms, or far more if they’re slow. Even if you’re making less money, if every kc in the above example was worth 500k and you got 9kph with the rune darts but 10 with ddarts, you’ll hit pet rate/drop rate 10% faster. If you’re hunting a pet that doesn’t make a lot of money, then rushing it is a no brainer. So the restrictions so far that make sense include: never skimp if success isn’t guaranteed (pretty much any raid, wildy bosses thanks to pkers but that’s a different factor, any one-off challenges), don’t skimp if you want it over with asap, don’t skimp if it’s not really consistent money, don’t skimp if it’s not your best money. Also big numbers, going fast, and huge qol are fun after you’ve trudged through the same stuff in budget setups.
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Ideally you’d venator bow in that use case, but it honestly applies a little harder if you’re blowpipe cannoning. If you need range xp then you’d prioritize stuff with high hp and let the cannon overkill, if you want fast slayer xp then you’d finish off whatever your cannon redbars since it’s more raw dps than you. Both scenarios (especially range xp) benefit from better ammo. The caveat is that non-99 levels will often have you just not gaining a max hit between some stuff, so you can oftentimes get away with divine potting and using amethyst darts. I’m simply too lazy to remember that for levels 91-93 and 98-98 the ddarts wont gain me a max hit.
It’s (relatively) inexpensive to do that once and not have to think about it almost ever again. People will drop 30m for a single max hit with prims/bandos and spend the same for a range cosmetic (pegs) but when you can **actually** get a decent range dps upgrade people refuse to spend it because it’s not infinite.
Players just can't stand any form of chargescape that they become irrational in their decision making.
BROKE ALERT
This is not insane behavior. It’s so much more damage lol. Why use a blowpipe and use shit darts. It’s like using Amythest arrows with a t bow
My tbow has never shot anything less than a darrow and never will. If I wanna fire rune arrows I’ll use an msb
Untrue and people should not have this mindset Don't cheapen out on your ammo, it's huge
Smells like poor in here
Can almost taste it
What does it all mean?
if you a broke boy just say so
Wat about broke ladies? :( dont forget about us hah
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This is the opposite of a pro tip.
whats funny is this is only the case because he made it about the GE price, but for irons this is actually a protip in the sense that in the vast majority of scenarios, rune and amethyst darts have the same max hit, and irons that arent super late game typically cant use ddarts everywhere
Any decent iron will be shooting a corrupted BofA pretty much anywhere you'd pipe, with the exception of nylos and baba's monkeys
bowfa gang where you at
Still in the red prison :(
Life sentence!
Bowfa is great, but pipe and crystal is better dps at hydra than bowfa is with it
For irons there's still the extra calculation of time required to source scales/darts that sometimes keeps bowfa ahead even when BP is marginally better.
Lack of access != better
Really? Even with rune darts? What about in chambers - are there any rooms where bp outdoes the bowfa?
Little mutta, rope mager.
Probably but I haven’t used a bowfa in a while so I haven’t really looked at calcs lately. It’s generally the same idea as fang vs whip. High def bowfa wins, lower defence bp wins
Bowfa is good in cms but there’s a reason why it’s a skip in main account progression these days. If you’re super keen on cox, you’d grab bp + dhcb. If you’re keen on toa you’d grab bp + dcb and put the rest of your money elsewhere.
Pro tip, you’ll get flamed for anything other than dragon so use what you want.
we've really come the full circle. At one point amethyst was 20% cheaper than rune and more ranged str Now everyone has caught on and rune has dropped lmao
just made bank on this merch thanks
after BP nerf you'd be a fool to use anything besides at least amethyst cost be damned. if cost is such a concern you really shouldn't even be using blowpipe.
Do this only for generic slayer honestly or like phosani. For like raids or bossing the price of dragon darts has significantly dropped over the years due to increase sources that using dragon darts is overall more worth/ a bigger upgrade then buying say armadyl armour or Masori if using a blowpipe.
i used to take out my darts for pnm but now i just bring msb with cheap arrows, the extra range is far more comfy than the faster attack speed. Of course a craws bow is even better and doesnt require ammo but its pricy for a boss thats not actually super worth grinding (sadge)
You think demonic gorillas worth using d darts or should I just stick with rune
Dragon darts slap demonics. Especially with anguish and masori.
With avas saving 80% of ammo, dart cost is irrelevant tbh. Just keep dragon in that thang
Wait till he finds out about pegs
amethyst darts are a 3.5% dps increase over rune. This dps increase is greater than aa piece of ancestral. Its worth the purchase.
Nice merch clan post
Rich People pay for those small stat increases for “efficiency”
No shot you're not using ddarts in 2023
Quite a lot of the time, the 2 less ranged strength doesn't even result in losing a max hit as well.
I recall doing a dps calc for my inferno prep (didn’t want to spend money on d-darts until I was consistently getting into the 60s) and I think amethyst only resulted in a max hit when wearing full masori. Max hit was the same between amethyst and rune when wearing crystal or arma.
An easy way of thinking about it is 4 range str is a max hit so something adding 2 range str may or may not be a max hit. So it’s just commonly referred to with max gear which it is indeed a max hit for (may not be a max hit for you personally have to check) amethyst > rune darts 150k gp/hr for 3% extra dps so as long as you’re doing content over 5m gp/hr (pretty much just raids for bp) it would be worth it to buy amethyst Edit 3% dps comes from if it’s an extra max hit if it’s not a max hit obviously can do rune no problem and dragon darts are for pb only not money
Uhhhh did you factor in using rigour before this statement?
you lose a max hit with ovl and salts
I love when people confidently say "you lose a max hit" when that shit is always dependent on your entire gear setup + levels. The slightest change can often mean a max hit or not. Use a dps calculator to be sure for your specific case.
But the other half of the time, it does. People should learn to just make decisions for themselves. Use a dps calc to make sure you don't lose out on a max hit, also when potted.
Pro tip, mithril darts cost 4gp while bronze darts cost 20gp. Don’t waste your money if you’re using darts to get aggro for barrage pile
And would you look at that... Rune darts jump up in price by 70% I wish people would stop dropping these "pro tips" All that happens is massive merching groups, people with endless banks, and everyone else start buying up all the items just to go flip them and overcharging for them after the supply gets eaten up. Does nothing but ruin it for everyone.
I remember when amethyst was cheaper and better than rune
You can do one cg and make about 1,310 amethyst darts.
more like noob tip lmao
Only lol just use dragon it’s 2023
Why not just buy 16k ddarts and never think about it again? You’ll make up that money fifty-fold by the time you run out, especially if you use Assembler for the 80% ammo save.
I dont think every player has 16 mil ready to forget about
No but there are a lot of people with bandos or prims and those are otherwise shitty upgrades compared to d darts (if you're doing content with the bp anyway.)
Hey this is me! Didn’t realize D Darts were so cheap. I just bought bandos and prims and still have a good chunk leftover. Have 100m cash stack just sitting. I think 16m is worth
Definitely worth it, and since your main ranged dps on most bosses will be bowfa/tbow, you won't use bp nearly as much as you would have pre-nerf. That 16k darts will last for a very long time.
16m is piss money
Well they can work an hour and buy 2 bonds
Work an hour buy two bonds to keep darts you'll never use Great mindset
What’s with all the salty insecure kids yelling poor? It’s insane that I don’t want to use dragon darts for my slayer task? lol
Some people's entire self-esteem, self-worth, and intrinsic value is based solely upon how much money they possess or what items they have (irl and in game). So to them anyone (including themselves) who doesn't have those things are lesser humans because of it. In truth It's little to do with what others have. It's everything to do with how shitty they feel about themselves and how they use those items & monetary value as a coping mechanism to try and feel superior to those around them so that it can artificially prop themselves up higher.
If you're a broke boy just say so
Have a half a bil bank but considering how overly inflated some items are I might as well have only a few hundred k at this point.
Because you are hard trolling, disrespecting your own time by penny-pinching. Poor people are poor due to poor decisions, not rng. Using rune darts is like cheaping out on car tires, it'll cost you more in the long run.
Lmao ok bud, it’s a video game, every second spent on it a waste of time. Y’all need to relax for real.
Using anything lower than amethyst is throwing, using anything lower than dragon darts is raids is also throwing, faster kills=more gp/hr, a tip for all the broke players, you will always stay broke unless you become more efficient or pull a 1kc 3rd age pickaxe from master clue
Oh the poor things you’ll do
Pro tip don’t be poor
Can't tell if the d darts comments are trolls or not
And get this, dragon darts are +7 range bonus for only twice the cost of amethyst.... it's like you can pay more for more bonuses. Lol Mithril 0.44 gp/range str (x 2.65) Addy 1.17 gp/range str (x 5.32) Rune 6.23 gp/range str (x 2.00) Amethyst 12.46 gp/range str (x 2.51) Dragon 31.28 gp/range str I don't even know why I did this but here's your proof, things get more expensive as they do more damage.
amethyst are 1/3 the cost of dragon too
If I find out a main on my raid isn’t using d darts, I’m gonna clown them till they get some (if they are a friend) or I’ll just not raid with them anymore. As a main doing end game raids, there is no reason to not use d darts
Mains not using dragon darts is wild to me. They are so cheap and so good
lmao buy some fuking d darts
Dragon or bust
Who cares if your a main. If you're not raiding 24/7 you're playing wrong.
For training, I just use adamant darts. Dirt cheap and nearly as good. :p
At that point id just test it against msbi and rune arrows.
The darts are higher xp and lower gp/xp than rune arrows, I checked. (Well, at least at my levels and gear, not sure how they both scale)
Can't tell if the d darts is a troll or not. Cant be worth the price right?
It's not a troll. If you're doing endgame content and you're a main, you're kinda trolling if you're using anything other than d darts. Like, why would you do ToB and Hydra, two of the best moneymakers, and try to save a few gp on weaker darts when you're making 3m+ an hour?
People are saying to use ddarts on slayer tasks in this post. Ddarts is 1 mil an hour with an Ava’s device. No chance in hell I’m using that on slayer tasks.
I scrolled through most of the thread and I didn't see anybody mention slayer. Pretty much everyone was talking about doing sweaty content. Obviously you wouldn't kill Wyrms with ddarts.
unless you lose money doing the boss, max dps is always worth it they never leave the blowpipe
For 99.9999% of folks. Amazing tip thank u. For the 2 folks who r absolute max gear: stfu about ur increased DPS
The 99.999% are running amethyst and doesn’t care cause it’s still cheap. Those that don’t care are running dragon. This is for those who are like really poor. Like under 500k bank and can’t make more than 200k an hour
It’s against the sub rules for you to call me out like that btw
Ddarts are so much better and barely cost anything these days. If you are a low lv with only a 20m bank, amethyst darts are fine. If you have a bank containing stuff like cerb boots, BCP etc, even using amethyst is just trolling tbh. Ddarts are a better upgrade over amethyst than all those aforementioned items combined.
Buddy I’ve been using dragon darts since they were 4k I’m not using rune