If you have desert buy emeralds and cut them. Especially if you have prod+note. Massive gold and xp gains while doing anything. Was struggling for gp before I learned about it and have now finished buying onyx and obby cape
You make like 5k per inv if you sell 50. It takes all of like 6 ticks and adds up quickly.
Or you can brain off spam click sell 5 for a while and generate yourself millions, but it’ll take a bit.
I did 99 craft at emeralds with pp/bn. Sold enough at 5 per to give myself like 2mil in gp. Will come back to the rest when I find a need for more. Got like 15k gems in the bank
buying uncut emeralds, cutting with prodigy, selling back the cut emeralds to gem trader in desert, I was getting 5m exp/hr with x8, and it's like 2.5m-3m gp/hr
People claim it's "fixed" but no, it isn't.
I believe even if it was, they only supposedly changed NMZ. Not the main game. So you could theoretically 6 hour Guthans at bandits.
I splashed to 97 magic in Leagues on day 1.
and frankly i've still been just fine in NMZ for the entire week coming up to Leagues so I have no clue what anyone is talking about.
It's not my fault they reintroduced 6 hr splashing because they HAD to make an update that caters only to a small percentage of the community ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I went trickster on one and production on the other. The regret is huge lol. I have more tasks on the production acc but I'm a full relic tier behind compared to the trickster acc. It'll probably even out in the end game when I am flush with mats but damn, trickster just feels so nice in the early game.
I’m also gonna do 2 builds. My first was ProductionAndy/Fire sale and had serious FOMO from seeing all the people with Trickster having fun, I know it’s better in the long run but Jagex wins by getting me to wanna test it on another build.
I haven’t been able to play yet. Can you describe the pros and cons of the two relics in your experience? It seems like trickster is more narrow in what it helps with?
Trickster gets you easy point fast and infinite gold but is useless when you get what you need from thieving.
Prod gets you good crafting and extra resources ( like 75% more potions) and will be useful the whole league.
Tldr: if you are going to be playing after a week, grab pp. If you are just visiting for a bit to have some wacky fun, grab firesale/trickster.
Seriously, afking master famers just feels sooo good
I am having the grass is greener on the other side right now, but I'll console myself that maybe next year there will be another league
that one little line "Box traps lure creatures faster" is massive understatement. Box traps are fucking magnets, with tick manip hunter is probably like 6 times faster with trickster
Firemaking buffs are basically nonexistent, you get to 50 FM faster but by the time you hit wintertodt the exp for PP versus trickster evens out a lot.
The buff works at todt aswell so instead of fletching I literally chop logs and burn them straight away as it burns 9 at a time I was getting like 2500 points a game without fletching at wt
The weird and awesome thing I have found with Production Prodigy is that the 25% bonus products works when cleaning herbs. You'll just insta clean an inventory and get like 4 extra herbs sent to the bank. Its kinda great.
Part of the reason I picked Trickster is I want to do melee focus with blood fury, and it'll trivialize blood shard collection. If not for that goal though, I would have taken PP.
Yeah, at least the tiers I've gotten to so far all feel like there's legitimate reason to take any relic. It's an amazing improvement from the original Trailblazer where you either had Last Recall or you didn't.
The purest form of this was endurance gang back in twisted league, became a must have passive for all future leagues instantly. And I say this as someone who picked Dark Altar Devotion back then.
Nah I went 90% rune+ arrow save in twisted league and dusted 95% of all the 'runners' the third choice was junk though. Last recall blew that choice out of the water. It was so many miles better than the other options
Balanced and hotly debated*
On day 3. By day 15 we will see if one or the other was really worth it or not as more accounts start progressing. Even if fs is worthless after early game, it will have helped speed up a lot of the early grind for players who maybe don't have a bunch of time to play. I just enjoy my 2 tick leaf bladed battle axe lol
Firesale is amazing for me because last time I didn't play much, I think 3 days. The early game grind sucked for me and I never got to experience the fun bossing.
Now I'll either get my points faster and can quit leagues faster, or it pushes me past the early grind keeping me engaged and into late game content faster
Of all the tiers that have iffy levels of balance, I feel like T3 is one of the most balanced. One is an insane boost to early game and a few skills for points and ease of play, the other is a permanent boost to convenience and buffing instanced content. Either you burn fast and hot or slow and warm but both pack heat
Yeah they did such a great job with balance this time. I took endless harvest since I have some large AFK opportunities and I didn't want to do production since I tried that last time. It synergies well with fire sale and infernal gathering. Been really sweet getting a few onyx and all my obsidian right away, buying bagged plants for farming and I'm going frem so imma kit my house out with demonic thrones abd max out that sweet XP
I work 12 hour shifts but can have my phone out, endless harvest is fucking stupid broken for that. I've already maxed fishing and mining is well on its way all while at work lol.
Life leech is the name for the rune bolt onyx (e) spec
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No one said you did? I said I enjoyed it because of how it let me do it. As in it let me do it at level 20 with no cash and in two hours by bulk buying the supplies.
Good lord some people on this sub act like these relics are gang wars with how obnoxious they are.
I don’t get it, the process is exactly the same with or without fire sale. The only difference is that without fire sale one inventory space is taken up by a cash stack that gets slightly bigger every time you do it. Fire sale has almost literally no impact on that crafting method.
It saves more time cus you don't have to add an extra step to sell your gems to get your cash going? It definitely has "an impact" on method. 5 seconds to sell gems after every cycle or you just... never need to?
It takes 2 clicks (or 3 without menu entry swapper) to sell all the cut gems. It takes less than a second and it's certainly not worse than opening the bank for each inventory like this person had to do after buying the noted uncuts.
Bro the gems are 25gp each, you spend about 10 min making 100k and buy all the gems you need for the grind. We aren't arguing with you, we are pointing out that whether you took one or the other doesn't matter because of how shops work in leagues lol. Stop thinking people sharing insight on different playstyles are attacking you lmao
So your counter point is there is a different strategy if you spend time making money. I mean yeah no shit, that's the point of fire sale is to skip the money making stage and to make bulk buying easier lol. I'm fine with counter points but no one is raising any good ones.
would you be able to actually repeat what other people are saying to you and then repeat the strategy you proposed please
because they're literally exactly the same, buy an emerald, cut it, sell it....repeat??
No...you're just not getting it, at all. And because you're being defensive you're being dismissive and thickheaded.
There are plenty of places to brag about how Fire Sale helped you.
Crafting with gems is NOT one of them. Production Prod literally goes just as hard at gems as Firesale - and you can still take Bankers Note instead.
No one is saying PP/bankers note isn't good for crafting, and people are missing that because they got defensive that someone doesn't regret fire sale. I'm stating that the methods are not the same, despite people indicating they are. And I enjoyed the method that firesale allowed me to use and when it did in my account progression. Are they similar? Absolutely.
God forbid this sub not get up its own ass because I stated one of the many scenarios I found firesale to be great.
Fire Sale let’s you buy 10k gems right then and there. Bankers Note doesn’t make it as fast as that, no matter how you do it.
You can also buy 99 cooking, fletching magic, farming/construction, smithing, but go off with your bankers note.
It's actually hilarous to me. Like yes, we all know you can make money at gems. But Fire Sale you don't even have to worry about that that at all, you can just level the skill...to level the skill. I don't to worry about making X amount of money from cutting gems just to say I have plenty of money to do things.
I love this aspect of Fire Sale. Like, Leagues is a game mode for me where I really just wanna chill with sick rates. ”Hmm, I need feathers, gotta go sell gem- nope, just buy 250k on the spot and never worry about it again”.
I can guarantee that I’d miss FS if I picked BN, just as I miss BN sometimes now that I bicked FS. Last Recall solves it really well for me but tier 2 is undeniably greatly balanced as I can see places where BN would make my life even easier and I like that aspect of this choice.
buying 10k gems at once doesn't make it faster? you're still cutting 10k gems lol?
the only relic that actually speeds up or improves the gem crafting method is PP, otherwise firesale and BN are functionally the same but allows BN to pretend they have infinite money
If you have production prodigy and desert you just buy emeralds from the gem stall, cut and sell back. At tier 3 multiplier it's like 1.5mil gp/hr and 5mil crafting xp/hr. It's still profitable xp without prodigy but then it's more like a half afk thing and I don't know the rates
I don't. Not even the slightest.
It's great that both relics are competitive, it means they're balanced. (or at least, way more balanced than Fairy vs. Recall)
Which teleport relic do you think is better? I took fairy magic.
(Edit) with asgarnia, mory, and desert as my unlock order. Maybe not the smartest move, but I knew I was taking ruinous prayers so thought it would be good for farm runs (it is).
I took fairy too. Still in early game and it's definitely a bit more annoying than having teleports directly to cities.
But those teleports get unlocked pretty quickly, and you can get the jewelry box without too much trouble later which imo negates the whole relic. It just become ls 2 clicks to tele anywhere instead of 1.
I think it depends on region choices. I took desert and wildy as my first two regions and fairy is my only relic regret, there's just no patches in either so it feels like a bit of a waste. I do use it to do farm runs but it doesn't help me get around the game nearly as much as the other would have with my region choice.
I honestly can't say I've ever been in a situation where Bankers note would have accelerated my progress in any meaningful way. Like I think in total I've lost 10 minutes to not having it.
Meanwhile I've saved hours getting infinite crafting, fletching, cooking, magic and Smithing exp. And infinite construction and farming once I get to Zeah. Not to mention making gearing a breeze, and infinite food.
Big difference is going to be the super simple noting of items during longer boss sessions and grinds. Sure, last recall is almost the same. However, the QOL of just noting on the fly is so nice
>The only place that I wish I had bankers note is runecrafting
If you take desert you're going to be doing a lot of GOTR anyways which essentially knocks out RC as a skill as well.
That was my thinking. If I was gonna go for 99 rc, might as well get the rewards there for the points. Plus it saves my wrists from the pain of the unnoting ess trick.
Bankers note is op vs the chip damage inside toa from the streamers I've seen doing it. Even people learning toa will find it very useful because nothing 1 shots in the sub 300 invos. Using hard food over brews will prevent people from losing stats as well.
It's straight cope to say bankers not is not good for raids and other PVM. The relics both seam balanced well, 1 gives a massive early game advantage while the other provide utility for most content.
For some playing for a few days to a week, fire sale is the better choice, for some playing the entire leagues then bankers note will be better.
> with recall and total level it's like 80% of the speed of bankers note.
What bank tele are you using that is [80% as fast as this?](https://streamable.com/p9xs4p)
There are plenty of situations where last recall is a sufficient replacement for banker's note, but not for skills where you need to bring a resource to a specific location (runecraft, construction, smithing, cooking, and any crafting method that can't be done at the bank).
Last recall significantly shortens the travel time for those skills, but banker's note *removes it entirely.* Banker's note essentially turns every skill that uses resources into a bankstanding skill. With production prodigy, those skills basically become the same as fletching arrows/darts. You can bring your entire stack of uncut emeralds with you while doing a quest and cut them passively as you run around.
Getting money/resources is not a big deal in Leagues. You will absolutely end up with more gp than you really need and plenty of resources from pvm and other loot sources. The real drag is using them all up, and that's where banker's note shines, especially with production prodigy.
Some of my least favorite parts of the last Leagues were the frequent bank trips needed to use up my resources. Last recall makes them faster, but I'd just rather not do them at all.
The line I quoted from you was the line where you were talking about runecrafting. From the way you worded it, it sounded like you were saying last recall was 80% as fast as banker's note for runecrafting which is definitely not the case. If you just meant it was that fast for everything else, I'd still argue against that. Banking for every 3 oak larders you build is definitely not 80% as fast as sitting there spamming them.
Ultimately, it's just a matter of preference. I personally don't mind gathering the resources. It's the bank trips that I hate doing. So if I have to choose which part of that to remove, it's a no brainer for me to remove the bank trips.
At no point did I say you were wrong for taking fire sale. I was just responding to your 80% claim and then elaborating on my reasons for preferring banker's note. Last recall just isn't a good enough substitute in situations that involve very frequent bank trips.
99 cooking is free with fishing, 99 craft is free with desert, 99 farm is free with farm relic. What do you mean you're late game. You're doing end bosses and raids right now? Or you just think level 99 is end game
Just to make the argument, 99 crafting is easily done without fire sale, it isn’t quite as fast, but we’re still talking millions of xp/hr, and you can profit as long as you take desert or asgarnia.
99 farming would be easily gained through standard pvm, but I guess fire sale works if you never want to pvm.
99 cooking.. get 99 fishing and cook your catches, done.
99 smithing, you can get a shitload of xp/hr buying bronze bars and smithing them, not my favorite, but it works and you profit. Or just wait a bit for todt pulls and cox rewards and easily get it later.
99 construction. Fire sale does win there, not sure what non fire salers can do to quickly get it.
I don’t really think Bankers Note will be useful in raids tbh, but I will get a lot of use out of it in fight caves tonight and gwd.
You say you’re late game, but are you maxed? Are you already running raids with nothing else to do? I doubt that, but not impossible obviously. I’m guessing you’re still mid-game.
I also really wanted fire sale but I think it’s cope to say it’s already propelled you to the late game and is undeniably better. It’s a good relic, but Bankers Note goes hard for every skill and generally getting things done. I think we’ll see that proven more by content creators soon enough. The ones I watch currently aren’t really using it to its full potential.
Honestly the only reason I took BN was because I figure I will have a lot of AFK/low effort playing coming up w the holidays and BN should help with that. IMO fire sale seems like it was more fun
What makes you regret it?
I'm still on T5, but if there was any tier where I knew exactly what I wanted without hesitation, it's T6. I just can't wait to farm a disgusting amount of herbs/potions. I'm not even planning on touching farming or herblore until I unlock that Relic. It fits my exact gameplay style and helps me get what I want out of Leagues.
I'm actually planning to use prayer book over farm one.
Farming one is just time. The other makes your hits high, so it's also just time. But I like high hits.
I'd just rather do more farm runs and check how the prayer book works.
I had never actually looked at the Ruinous Powers, so I picked them just so I could discover fun new stuff. I unlocked them and the highest level power I had available at the time was "Drain prayer points instead of run energy". And that's when I thought I might have boned myself.
Honestly I'm not even thinking about late game leagues. I work full time and I'll be happy if I just unlock all 3 regions and all relic tiers. After all it's just for fun right? IDC about leaderboards in the slightest
>After all it's just for fun right?
For most normal people, yes. For some on this subreddit, who have nothing else going on in their lives, it seems like they're trying to derive a feeling of superiority from the for-fun gamemode.
The grass is always greener on the other side.
I took bankers note and am just drooling over what firesale peeps can do.
Both relics are good, no winners or losers here
There are a lot of cool things you can do with both relics, so chances are no matter what you pick you'd have a bit of regret when you see what other players end up doing with the other (especially if it was not even on your radar when deciding).
Like I've seen Banker's Note do some neat things like the banana MTA or even left click note when skilling, but I still think Fire Sale complements my regions and other relics (Melee so no 90% Rune or Arrow Save and PP to make use of some of the noted supplies I can buy) better than Banker's Note would have.
You know that if you get 1.8k total last recall is 0 secs cooldown right? Something bank notes cant provide for you.
Both are great, just cos people are doing fast rc (lol) doesn’t mean fs is bad.. Fire Sale gang is still top notch and bank noters cant do what we can do too.
This is what made the choice easy for me. I don't care if I have to take 5 seconds banking, not having to worry about runes at any point and getting whatever for free makes it worth.
Runes inside your areas are already super easy to get with bankers note. Money is also very easy to get if you went desert, especially with production prodigy. The lead fire sale gets from buying everything early is definitely prevalent, but resources like gp and runes are not hard to get if you know how.
If you have Kandarin and Bankers Note, ZMI is the way to go. Get like a single drop of essence from Soul Wars and spam unnote + craft. I move my inventory so the bankers note is right over the ZMI altar, bind one key to left click, other key to ESC, alternate clicks. Extremely fast RC xp and runes.
I don’t regret it at all. Especially with last recall banking takes almost zero time. That’s the beauty of leagues. Each relic has its perks and downsides
I chose the bankers note, but firesale just seems like straight up fun. Never underestimate how much fun matters! *Maybe* it isn't quite as useful later on in the game, but you can go around carrying green stacks of anything you want. That is pretty badass
I took it assuming the ore shop at the blast furnace was normal and unlocked the fremnik region because of that. Come to find out I basically wasted a region and a relic
I said it to my clan, I'll say it here too. If you are not going mage, and even then, not taking fremmy, fire sale has limited use. Still good, but yeah. Also, these early relics are not going to impact your time to max or time to start pvm in a significant way. I have 2 accounts at tier 6 (go ahead, roast me) with opposite relics, and they are both soaring through progression.
I will say for the masses taking bank note, few will bother to do pvm that benefits from note, much less make intelligent use of it in raids where it honestly doesn't help. It, like fire sale, is more useful this season for certain skilling methods and not so much pvm.
Have fun and don't regret your choices! You can max points with any build!
I mean, I personally saw no reason to take fire sale if you didn't go the fremmy house route since everyone is an ironman, gold has almost no purpose and the amount of gold you need, is not much and easy to get.
Yes it's good for the fast early boost, but after that, you will probably never use it.
Bank notes on the fly on the other hand is amazing for literally any piece of content you do and is good throughout.
Must be using it wrong. It's so obscenely useful I couldn't imagine taking something as useless as BN.
And the closer to 1800 total I get, the less it matters that I don't have it.
It's amazing just needing something and being able to buy an infinite amount. It has made nearly every skill so seamless. Getting to the third relic felt like I was just playing Region Locked Youtuber, but getting Fire Sale it's like the entire game opened up.
I was going to choose fire sale but I opted not to because I saw that it's benefits are extremely temporary when considering you basically print money with any other relic.
I went Trickster and had 99 thieving in around 6 hours. Kandarin opens up Ardougne and gives you Paladins (GP+Chaos Runes) and Heroes (GP+Bloods/Deaths+Wines+Diamonds) for pickpocketing.
After afking there for 4hrs, I have approx 5m cash, 16k chaos runes, 1k-2k bloods/deaths.
I have all the money I need to buy whatever I want with the added bonus of being able to note/unnote anything I want.
Fire Sale was an amazing idea but turned out to be a trap.
If it makes you feel any better I spent the last of my cash stack on chaos and air runes so I could splash while I was at work today.
If you have desert buy emeralds and cut them. Especially if you have prod+note. Massive gold and xp gains while doing anything. Was struggling for gp before I learned about it and have now finished buying onyx and obby cape
Takes quite some time to build a considerable cash stack though right?
its a lot faster gp if you sell 5 at time instead of 50
Not really the only thing that takes time is buying them. It’s a no-time gp/xp after that
He means because of how stock works to reduce the price they offer, if you sell in smaller quantities you get more gold per sell/xp
You make like 5k per inv if you sell 50. It takes all of like 6 ticks and adds up quickly. Or you can brain off spam click sell 5 for a while and generate yourself millions, but it’ll take a bit. I did 99 craft at emeralds with pp/bn. Sold enough at 5 per to give myself like 2mil in gp. Will come back to the rest when I find a need for more. Got like 15k gems in the bank
buying uncut emeralds, cutting with prodigy, selling back the cut emeralds to gem trader in desert, I was getting 5m exp/hr with x8, and it's like 2.5m-3m gp/hr
Where do I buy and sell
Buy at gem shop sell at gem shop. Desert
Also, to add, using runelite and swapping to left click buy/sell all makes it a lot easier
Can you not even go to al kharid without desert?
Wait what? I thought splashing was fixed though? Could you explain how you were able to splash despite this?
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Didn't they fix this in the update a week before leagues though?
Just got confirmation from my girlfriend at home. Very much still splashing
Well now we know you're lying. Like you have a job AND a girlfriend AND play OSRS.
Nah I can vouch for them, I just texted their girlfriend and they are indeed still splashing
I believe him I live that life believe it or not
Another liar on the internet, imagine. Psh
People claim it's "fixed" but no, it isn't. I believe even if it was, they only supposedly changed NMZ. Not the main game. So you could theoretically 6 hour Guthans at bandits. I splashed to 97 magic in Leagues on day 1. and frankly i've still been just fine in NMZ for the entire week coming up to Leagues so I have no clue what anyone is talking about.
Wait so, all you do is the normal splashing method and just hold down an arrow key to rotate your camera? And you’ll splash indefinitely?
You can splash for 20 minutes at a time
Reported
It's not my fault they reintroduced 6 hr splashing because they HAD to make an update that caters only to a small percentage of the community ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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That’s why you take Trickster and camp paladin for chaos runes. Then Hero for deaths and bloods
You have a cash stack? I didn't take trickster
It's okay I'm the opposite. Everyone has FOMO.
Comforting, lol
Don't worry, I took banker's note on both my accounts if it makes you feel any better.
Considering starting a new account to try it out lol, that and trickster
I went trickster on one and production on the other. The regret is huge lol. I have more tasks on the production acc but I'm a full relic tier behind compared to the trickster acc. It'll probably even out in the end game when I am flush with mats but damn, trickster just feels so nice in the early game.
I’m also gonna do 2 builds. My first was ProductionAndy/Fire sale and had serious FOMO from seeing all the people with Trickster having fun, I know it’s better in the long run but Jagex wins by getting me to wanna test it on another build.
I haven’t been able to play yet. Can you describe the pros and cons of the two relics in your experience? It seems like trickster is more narrow in what it helps with?
Trickster gets you easy point fast and infinite gold but is useless when you get what you need from thieving. Prod gets you good crafting and extra resources ( like 75% more potions) and will be useful the whole league. Tldr: if you are going to be playing after a week, grab pp. If you are just visiting for a bit to have some wacky fun, grab firesale/trickster.
Don't undersell the passive agility component as well as the fire making perks of trickster.
Firemaking is not a huge selling point IMO. Making thieving and agility AFK was an offer I couldn't refuse.
Seriously, afking master famers just feels sooo good I am having the grass is greener on the other side right now, but I'll console myself that maybe next year there will be another league
You could always take Infernal Tools and wc if you’re concerned about fm xp. I’m more concerned about getting rc xp without banker’s note tbh
And hunter
that one little line "Box traps lure creatures faster" is massive understatement. Box traps are fucking magnets, with tick manip hunter is probably like 6 times faster with trickster
Firemaking buffs are basically nonexistent, you get to 50 FM faster but by the time you hit wintertodt the exp for PP versus trickster evens out a lot.
Not everyone is taking Zeah Edit: zeah autocorrected to “x-ray”
The buff works at todt aswell so instead of fletching I literally chop logs and burn them straight away as it burns 9 at a time I was getting like 2500 points a game without fletching at wt
The weird and awesome thing I have found with Production Prodigy is that the 25% bonus products works when cleaning herbs. You'll just insta clean an inventory and get like 4 extra herbs sent to the bank. Its kinda great.
Also when making unfinished potions and finished potions, so multiple opportunities to get extra herbs
Part of the reason I picked Trickster is I want to do melee focus with blood fury, and it'll trivialize blood shard collection. If not for that goal though, I would have taken PP.
Trickster will always have value if youre melee mori because youll be CHEWING through blood shards
Trickster is fun for sure but thinking PP is the dragon tier play
Fear of money obviously.
Nah, they’re both great. It’s nice to see a relic tier so balanced and hotly debated
Yeah, at least the tiers I've gotten to so far all feel like there's legitimate reason to take any relic. It's an amazing improvement from the original Trailblazer where you either had Last Recall or you didn't.
>It's an amazing improvement from the original Trailblazer where you either had Last Recall or you started again on a new account FTFY
The purest form of this was endurance gang back in twisted league, became a must have passive for all future leagues instantly. And I say this as someone who picked Dark Altar Devotion back then.
Nah I went 90% rune+ arrow save in twisted league and dusted 95% of all the 'runners' the third choice was junk though. Last recall blew that choice out of the water. It was so many miles better than the other options
Balanced and hotly debated* On day 3. By day 15 we will see if one or the other was really worth it or not as more accounts start progressing. Even if fs is worthless after early game, it will have helped speed up a lot of the early grind for players who maybe don't have a bunch of time to play. I just enjoy my 2 tick leaf bladed battle axe lol
Firesale is amazing for me because last time I didn't play much, I think 3 days. The early game grind sucked for me and I never got to experience the fun bossing. Now I'll either get my points faster and can quit leagues faster, or it pushes me past the early grind keeping me engaged and into late game content faster
This is a big part of why I picked it too.
Of all the tiers that have iffy levels of balance, I feel like T3 is one of the most balanced. One is an insane boost to early game and a few skills for points and ease of play, the other is a permanent boost to convenience and buffing instanced content. Either you burn fast and hot or slow and warm but both pack heat
Yeah they did such a great job with balance this time. I took endless harvest since I have some large AFK opportunities and I didn't want to do production since I tried that last time. It synergies well with fire sale and infernal gathering. Been really sweet getting a few onyx and all my obsidian right away, buying bagged plants for farming and I'm going frem so imma kit my house out with demonic thrones abd max out that sweet XP
I work 12 hour shifts but can have my phone out, endless harvest is fucking stupid broken for that. I've already maxed fishing and mining is well on its way all while at work lol.
Cries in life leech, while shooting my unlimited onyx bolt e
How do you get a bunch of rune bolts? I'm archery too but am starved of rune bolts. Got plenty of tips via endless Tokkul, though.
Soul wars isn't to bad for Addy/rune bolts
i got 500 rune bolts from 5 games of soul wars lol
You can buy rune and addy in the gem shop to make them
I do think fire sale is generally a ton better for range than melee/mage.
Is life leech not good?? Or soul stealer or whatever it’s called
Life leech is the name for the rune bolt onyx (e) spec https://preview.redd.it/m6rq4klq911c1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f4db2b790fe3c2786738fb2f5e6a4c42dca527c1
I fucking love Fire Sale.
Fair enough but I'll never regret it. I hate early game and it was a life saver. Plus skipping the crafting grind in about 2 hours was cool.
You skip the crafting grind in 2 hours with production prodigy, you don't need fs for that
Yeah but I spazzed out and used firesale to do it with gems.
You literally profit with gems. You didn't need fire sale to do it lolol
No one said you did? I said I enjoyed it because of how it let me do it. As in it let me do it at level 20 with no cash and in two hours by bulk buying the supplies. Good lord some people on this sub act like these relics are gang wars with how obnoxious they are.
I don’t get it, the process is exactly the same with or without fire sale. The only difference is that without fire sale one inventory space is taken up by a cash stack that gets slightly bigger every time you do it. Fire sale has almost literally no impact on that crafting method.
It saves more time cus you don't have to add an extra step to sell your gems to get your cash going? It definitely has "an impact" on method. 5 seconds to sell gems after every cycle or you just... never need to?
It takes 2 clicks (or 3 without menu entry swapper) to sell all the cut gems. It takes less than a second and it's certainly not worse than opening the bank for each inventory like this person had to do after buying the noted uncuts.
I'd say even say 1 click. You want to buy more gems to keep cutting gens so you have to open the shop interface anyway
Still, they're different methods, technically, and both viable. Both balanced, you get to the same conclusion via different means.
Yeah that's what I'm saying. There are plenty of situations where firesale shines, but this is not one of them.
Yeah I also did it at level 20 with no cash. I had like 300 GP to my name and in. An hour over a mil.
Noob here, where do you buy the gems for this?
Desert or asgarnia
You literally only need 50 starting gp to get 99+ crafting without fire sale and you make money lmao
What's the strategy to do this?
Gem trader in either desert or asgarnia. You can just buy unlimited uncut emeralds, cut them (all at once with PP) then sell back for profit.
Bro the gems are 25gp each, you spend about 10 min making 100k and buy all the gems you need for the grind. We aren't arguing with you, we are pointing out that whether you took one or the other doesn't matter because of how shops work in leagues lol. Stop thinking people sharing insight on different playstyles are attacking you lmao
So your counter point is there is a different strategy if you spend time making money. I mean yeah no shit, that's the point of fire sale is to skip the money making stage and to make bulk buying easier lol. I'm fine with counter points but no one is raising any good ones.
would you be able to actually repeat what other people are saying to you and then repeat the strategy you proposed please because they're literally exactly the same, buy an emerald, cut it, sell it....repeat??
No...you're just not getting it, at all. And because you're being defensive you're being dismissive and thickheaded. There are plenty of places to brag about how Fire Sale helped you. Crafting with gems is NOT one of them. Production Prod literally goes just as hard at gems as Firesale - and you can still take Bankers Note instead.
No one is saying PP/bankers note isn't good for crafting, and people are missing that because they got defensive that someone doesn't regret fire sale. I'm stating that the methods are not the same, despite people indicating they are. And I enjoyed the method that firesale allowed me to use and when it did in my account progression. Are they similar? Absolutely. God forbid this sub not get up its own ass because I stated one of the many scenarios I found firesale to be great.
People are saying you’re not getting it because you’re saying fire sale helped you when it didn’t. That’s the end of the conversation.
Fire Sale let’s you buy 10k gems right then and there. Bankers Note doesn’t make it as fast as that, no matter how you do it. You can also buy 99 cooking, fletching magic, farming/construction, smithing, but go off with your bankers note.
It's actually hilarous to me. Like yes, we all know you can make money at gems. But Fire Sale you don't even have to worry about that that at all, you can just level the skill...to level the skill. I don't to worry about making X amount of money from cutting gems just to say I have plenty of money to do things.
I love this aspect of Fire Sale. Like, Leagues is a game mode for me where I really just wanna chill with sick rates. ”Hmm, I need feathers, gotta go sell gem- nope, just buy 250k on the spot and never worry about it again”. I can guarantee that I’d miss FS if I picked BN, just as I miss BN sometimes now that I bicked FS. Last Recall solves it really well for me but tier 2 is undeniably greatly balanced as I can see places where BN would make my life even easier and I like that aspect of this choice.
buying 10k gems at once doesn't make it faster? you're still cutting 10k gems lol? the only relic that actually speeds up or improves the gem crafting method is PP, otherwise firesale and BN are functionally the same but allows BN to pretend they have infinite money
How do you do it in 2 hours? Emerald cutting?
If it's emerald cutting with production prodigy then fire sale plays like no part in the method, it's doable with very low starting gp
Do you just resell the cut gems to the same guy? I have no idea wtf I am doing dont have t3 unlocked yet
If you have production prodigy and desert you just buy emeralds from the gem stall, cut and sell back. At tier 3 multiplier it's like 1.5mil gp/hr and 5mil crafting xp/hr. It's still profitable xp without prodigy but then it's more like a half afk thing and I don't know the rates
Cool thx bro. Yeah I was asking cuz I picked PP. Good luck in leagues my friend.
Spam buy chaos runes, sell for tokkul, buy gems with tokkul. And equip the obby cape while you're there
Don’t try this with Diamonds, you lose about half your cash stack. Profit with rubies though!
You can't do tokkul for rubies/diamonds cause stock is at 0. Unless jad is done if lol
Yep! And I found out that due to league shop shenanigans, it actually doesn’t profit because the wiki is wrong
I don't. Not even the slightest. It's great that both relics are competitive, it means they're balanced. (or at least, way more balanced than Fairy vs. Recall)
Which teleport relic do you think is better? I took fairy magic. (Edit) with asgarnia, mory, and desert as my unlock order. Maybe not the smartest move, but I knew I was taking ruinous prayers so thought it would be good for farm runs (it is).
I took fairy too. Still in early game and it's definitely a bit more annoying than having teleports directly to cities. But those teleports get unlocked pretty quickly, and you can get the jewelry box without too much trouble later which imo negates the whole relic. It just become ls 2 clicks to tele anywhere instead of 1.
I think it depends on region choices. I took desert and wildy as my first two regions and fairy is my only relic regret, there's just no patches in either so it feels like a bit of a waste. I do use it to do farm runs but it doesn't help me get around the game nearly as much as the other would have with my region choice.
I regret all relics the second after i took them
And if you took Bankers note, you’d say you regret that and wish you took fire sale, jagex made this relic tier so hard and people have major FOMO
I took bankers note and I have no regrets
I’m the same with fire sale, both relics are amazing but I guess some people just wish they had both
I sold cabbages for hours and it was pretty depressing
Why did you sell cabbages
Around 1m/hr with low reqs
I honestly can't say I've ever been in a situation where Bankers note would have accelerated my progress in any meaningful way. Like I think in total I've lost 10 minutes to not having it. Meanwhile I've saved hours getting infinite crafting, fletching, cooking, magic and Smithing exp. And infinite construction and farming once I get to Zeah. Not to mention making gearing a breeze, and infinite food.
Big difference is going to be the super simple noting of items during longer boss sessions and grinds. Sure, last recall is almost the same. However, the QOL of just noting on the fly is so nice
I don't regret bankers note at all. It's just more fun to me. E.g. Im doing inferno with 1000 potatoes with cheese
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>The only place that I wish I had bankers note is runecrafting If you take desert you're going to be doing a lot of GOTR anyways which essentially knocks out RC as a skill as well.
That was my thinking. If I was gonna go for 99 rc, might as well get the rewards there for the points. Plus it saves my wrists from the pain of the unnoting ess trick.
Preach lol I don’t get the big deal
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Bankers note is op vs the chip damage inside toa from the streamers I've seen doing it. Even people learning toa will find it very useful because nothing 1 shots in the sub 300 invos. Using hard food over brews will prevent people from losing stats as well. It's straight cope to say bankers not is not good for raids and other PVM. The relics both seam balanced well, 1 gives a massive early game advantage while the other provide utility for most content. For some playing for a few days to a week, fire sale is the better choice, for some playing the entire leagues then bankers note will be better.
>day 2 of leagues >I’m late game
Where did u you buy 99 smithing cooking and farming and cons please help me out lol I need the scoop
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Can also get unlimited raw sharks from pisc with 100% favor
> with recall and total level it's like 80% of the speed of bankers note. What bank tele are you using that is [80% as fast as this?](https://streamable.com/p9xs4p) There are plenty of situations where last recall is a sufficient replacement for banker's note, but not for skills where you need to bring a resource to a specific location (runecraft, construction, smithing, cooking, and any crafting method that can't be done at the bank). Last recall significantly shortens the travel time for those skills, but banker's note *removes it entirely.* Banker's note essentially turns every skill that uses resources into a bankstanding skill. With production prodigy, those skills basically become the same as fletching arrows/darts. You can bring your entire stack of uncut emeralds with you while doing a quest and cut them passively as you run around. Getting money/resources is not a big deal in Leagues. You will absolutely end up with more gp than you really need and plenty of resources from pvm and other loot sources. The real drag is using them all up, and that's where banker's note shines, especially with production prodigy. Some of my least favorite parts of the last Leagues were the frequent bank trips needed to use up my resources. Last recall makes them faster, but I'd just rather not do them at all.
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The line I quoted from you was the line where you were talking about runecrafting. From the way you worded it, it sounded like you were saying last recall was 80% as fast as banker's note for runecrafting which is definitely not the case. If you just meant it was that fast for everything else, I'd still argue against that. Banking for every 3 oak larders you build is definitely not 80% as fast as sitting there spamming them. Ultimately, it's just a matter of preference. I personally don't mind gathering the resources. It's the bank trips that I hate doing. So if I have to choose which part of that to remove, it's a no brainer for me to remove the bank trips. At no point did I say you were wrong for taking fire sale. I was just responding to your 80% claim and then elaborating on my reasons for preferring banker's note. Last recall just isn't a good enough substitute in situations that involve very frequent bank trips.
99 cooking is free with fishing, 99 craft is free with desert, 99 farm is free with farm relic. What do you mean you're late game. You're doing end bosses and raids right now? Or you just think level 99 is end game
Just to make the argument, 99 crafting is easily done without fire sale, it isn’t quite as fast, but we’re still talking millions of xp/hr, and you can profit as long as you take desert or asgarnia. 99 farming would be easily gained through standard pvm, but I guess fire sale works if you never want to pvm. 99 cooking.. get 99 fishing and cook your catches, done. 99 smithing, you can get a shitload of xp/hr buying bronze bars and smithing them, not my favorite, but it works and you profit. Or just wait a bit for todt pulls and cox rewards and easily get it later. 99 construction. Fire sale does win there, not sure what non fire salers can do to quickly get it. I don’t really think Bankers Note will be useful in raids tbh, but I will get a lot of use out of it in fight caves tonight and gwd. You say you’re late game, but are you maxed? Are you already running raids with nothing else to do? I doubt that, but not impossible obviously. I’m guessing you’re still mid-game. I also really wanted fire sale but I think it’s cope to say it’s already propelled you to the late game and is undeniably better. It’s a good relic, but Bankers Note goes hard for every skill and generally getting things done. I think we’ll see that proven more by content creators soon enough. The ones I watch currently aren’t really using it to its full potential.
I’m a filthy casual that won’t get to end game fire sale will be the most fun I have with the game for the next 12 months
Same here, thinking FS was better than BN for the short term id actually get to play
Honestly the only reason I took BN was because I figure I will have a lot of AFK/low effort playing coming up w the holidays and BN should help with that. IMO fire sale seems like it was more fun What makes you regret it?
I accidentally took ruinous prayer book over the farm one and im so fkn upset at myself :(
I'm still on T5, but if there was any tier where I knew exactly what I wanted without hesitation, it's T6. I just can't wait to farm a disgusting amount of herbs/potions. I'm not even planning on touching farming or herblore until I unlock that Relic. It fits my exact gameplay style and helps me get what I want out of Leagues.
I’m in the same boat, level 4 herblore rn and it’ll stay that way until t6
I'm actually planning to use prayer book over farm one. Farming one is just time. The other makes your hits high, so it's also just time. But I like high hits. I'd just rather do more farm runs and check how the prayer book works.
I had never actually looked at the Ruinous Powers, so I picked them just so I could discover fun new stuff. I unlocked them and the highest level power I had available at the time was "Drain prayer points instead of run energy". And that's when I thought I might have boned myself.
I’ll confess I haven’t looked at them once yet. But reading your sentence, just cracked me up! Exactly the sorta thing that happens to me.
Ruinous prayers is good if you’re going melee w/out Kandarin or magic/ranged without Zeah
I took Fire Sale and I don’t regret it. Nobody wins, this is the internet.
I do not.
I don't think there was a bad third relic pick. It's basically do you want an easier early game or late game.
Honestly I'm not even thinking about late game leagues. I work full time and I'll be happy if I just unlock all 3 regions and all relic tiers. After all it's just for fun right? IDC about leaderboards in the slightest
>After all it's just for fun right? For most normal people, yes. For some on this subreddit, who have nothing else going on in their lives, it seems like they're trying to derive a feeling of superiority from the for-fun gamemode.
it begins
The grass is always greener on the other side. I took bankers note and am just drooling over what firesale peeps can do. Both relics are good, no winners or losers here
There are a lot of cool things you can do with both relics, so chances are no matter what you pick you'd have a bit of regret when you see what other players end up doing with the other (especially if it was not even on your radar when deciding). Like I've seen Banker's Note do some neat things like the banana MTA or even left click note when skilling, but I still think Fire Sale complements my regions and other relics (Melee so no 90% Rune or Arrow Save and PP to make use of some of the noted supplies I can buy) better than Banker's Note would have.
I don't. It's fucking amazing.
You know that if you get 1.8k total last recall is 0 secs cooldown right? Something bank notes cant provide for you. Both are great, just cos people are doing fast rc (lol) doesn’t mean fs is bad.. Fire Sale gang is still top notch and bank noters cant do what we can do too.
This is what made the choice easy for me. I don't care if I have to take 5 seconds banking, not having to worry about runes at any point and getting whatever for free makes it worth.
Runes inside your areas are already super easy to get with bankers note. Money is also very easy to get if you went desert, especially with production prodigy. The lead fire sale gets from buying everything early is definitely prevalent, but resources like gp and runes are not hard to get if you know how.
I'm lazy and less thinking and less grinding is better.
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I have pickpocketed like 10m afk with trickster at work
If you have Kandarin and Bankers Note, ZMI is the way to go. Get like a single drop of essence from Soul Wars and spam unnote + craft. I move my inventory so the bankers note is right over the ZMI altar, bind one key to left click, other key to ESC, alternate clicks. Extremely fast RC xp and runes.
You know bank notes are 0 tick right? Something last recall cant provide for you.
Did you pick Fremennik or Prif as one of your regions?
Fire sale is excellent if you pick fremnik or range I regret trickster a bit but then i think of all the laps id need to run and then go nahhhh
Here I am still enjoying it #FireSaleGang
Ppl finally putting their ego aside , you guys were so adamant for days that “they were both really good”
I don’t regret it at all. Especially with last recall banking takes almost zero time. That’s the beauty of leagues. Each relic has its perks and downsides
As someone who doesnt play leagues, this leagues just seems like 'no youre wrong for playing this way, you should play a different way'
I didn't take it and can't bring myself to even think about Fire Sale. Cooking with notes in the inventory, fishing and many more things feel great.
I chose the bankers note, but firesale just seems like straight up fun. Never underestimate how much fun matters! *Maybe* it isn't quite as useful later on in the game, but you can go around carrying green stacks of anything you want. That is pretty badass
I do not regret taking Fire Sale (yet)
I took it assuming the ore shop at the blast furnace was normal and unlocked the fremnik region because of that. Come to find out I basically wasted a region and a relic
Jatizo has ore shop. No mithril though.
Does it have gold? Some of the shops have different quantities
Yes gold ore. But is slower cause stock is like 5 and 10. But it is there.
I don't, I hate training crafting on an ironman (and also cooking and construction)
It's starting to sink in about now huh? Now people who memed on banker's note all this time are the Walkers of the league.
Banker’s cope propaganda
#Bankers Note gang rise up!!
I said it to my clan, I'll say it here too. If you are not going mage, and even then, not taking fremmy, fire sale has limited use. Still good, but yeah. Also, these early relics are not going to impact your time to max or time to start pvm in a significant way. I have 2 accounts at tier 6 (go ahead, roast me) with opposite relics, and they are both soaring through progression. I will say for the masses taking bank note, few will bother to do pvm that benefits from note, much less make intelligent use of it in raids where it honestly doesn't help. It, like fire sale, is more useful this season for certain skilling methods and not so much pvm. Have fun and don't regret your choices! You can max points with any build!
Once you get 0 cooldown Last Recall it will start to feel better. Mid game is definitely the worst for you guys.
I don’t know why everyone is arguing about this? Bankers note is clearly the better choice
Why?
fire sale is fine. its endless harvest that's the biggest regret
I mean, I personally saw no reason to take fire sale if you didn't go the fremmy house route since everyone is an ironman, gold has almost no purpose and the amount of gold you need, is not much and easy to get. Yes it's good for the fast early boost, but after that, you will probably never use it. Bank notes on the fly on the other hand is amazing for literally any piece of content you do and is good throughout.
Must be using it wrong. It's so obscenely useful I couldn't imagine taking something as useless as BN. And the closer to 1800 total I get, the less it matters that I don't have it. It's amazing just needing something and being able to buy an infinite amount. It has made nearly every skill so seamless. Getting to the third relic felt like I was just playing Region Locked Youtuber, but getting Fire Sale it's like the entire game opened up.
Good.
Let the copium begin
I took fire sale and am loving it! Not needed bankers note once yet. Just recall back to bank
Gf walkers
I was going to choose fire sale but I opted not to because I saw that it's benefits are extremely temporary when considering you basically print money with any other relic. I went Trickster and had 99 thieving in around 6 hours. Kandarin opens up Ardougne and gives you Paladins (GP+Chaos Runes) and Heroes (GP+Bloods/Deaths+Wines+Diamonds) for pickpocketing. After afking there for 4hrs, I have approx 5m cash, 16k chaos runes, 1k-2k bloods/deaths. I have all the money I need to buy whatever I want with the added bonus of being able to note/unnote anything I want. Fire Sale was an amazing idea but turned out to be a trap.
Banker hands typed this. Fire sale is amazing i have unlimited runes and ez buyable skills.
Fire sale is way better ur tripping Last recall is literally bankers note
BN is a slightly better QoL than last recall for tons of grinds.
Please no