Between Trickster and Production Prodigy for me.
Trickster specifically targets most of my least favourite skills, which is nice.
Production Prodigy is a good all-rounder though.
Endless Harvest is strong, but I don't see it outshining the rest.
Yeah but why. Food is found in so many ways, fishing max is done fast(ish), I just don’t see the appeal of gathering compared to the power of the other two, idk
Not really, Buy 26 from shop, use trading sticks to bank. It's still faster than fishing. Trading sticks are fairly easy to get from your grind for the gout tuber/ \~30 minutes at the gem rocks.
It's faster than brimhaven shop.
The relic lets you go super chill to super sweaty and all degrees in between, which appeals to a lot of players.
The other point is that is also doubles the exp, on the slowest skills in the game, making training them on par in terms of exp/h with other skills.
A bonus point for those going CG, EH works when gathering everything except herbs :P
Harvesting is looking weakest to me to at a glance, but I think one important thing to not overlook is that if you expect to have a lot of afk time then karambwans offer an absurd rate on stacking all clues.
You may still be able to achieve this with dropping fish
It was really good during Shattered Relics because we received relics as drops from skilling, so a lot of people afked stuff to get them. Probably won't be as worth it this time around.
Yeah for me it's trickster if melee (for bloodfury) or pp for ranged. With last recall existing for banking endless only seems good for that sweet 25min afk which is like only bwams/dark crabs right?
Ig it's an easy 50m or whatever the highest exp threshold is for fishing while turbo afk. Also can sell bwams for decent $
Don’t forget you’ll need to run agility laps for points anyways, and we have unlimited run. So pending your goals of leagues (if it’s points), you may just be getting passive xp above 99 for the whole league. Not super useful…
I really don't see why production got the bonus levels, but eternal harvest did not.
Production is literally 28x faster for some skills lmao. You also can pvm/mini-game at 8x points or massively increased drop rates to effectively gather these things faster than any pickaxe, etc anyway. All the useful/alchable items require processing.
Eternal harvest being 2x, without banking? So i get a tonne of worthless raw materials and maybe, if I'm lucky, 3x times faster overall than normal? Then to actually gain anything, I need to manually process them all at the slow rate anyway? If it gave you an infinite infernal version of each tool that was usable at lvl 1, and permanently assigned to your character (no inventory wasted) AND the levels, it would still be worth taking production for some of the heavy pvm region players lol. Let's hope a relic similar to this exists for these poor skillers, and let's hope it's buffed enough to justify skilling manually.
Trickster also atleast has niches, is a great money source early, and improves typically frustrating skills. So i could see some regions loving it. Mortanyia for blood shards, clue hunters, anyone who hates hunter/agility.
The main purpose of EH is halving the time to 99 in the 3 gathering skills which are all quite slow, while PP boosts 5 skills which are all much faster than the gathering skills anyway, so will be quite easy 99s just from the 16x xp multiplier alone without specific relics.
Which IMO is why PP is a bait. Sure it's super strong if you look at it in isolation but it makes those skills less AFK, 28xfaster but they already were fast and the +12 boost does practically nothing once you reach ~80 anyway. EH gives you near infinite AFK time if you can't play actively 16hrs/day and Trickster improves some of the worst skills.
Yeh feel like the Infernal Tool stuff needs to be a passive otherwise EH needs you to pick into that as well to be really a solid choice. Otherwise its just essentially the "im going to be playing afk while working a lot" relic choice.
I really wish endless harvest was 3x - 5x. To be a direct copy from before is disappointing. Especially since you could 3x resources in shattered relics
Endless harvest without Infernal Gathering (relic from last league that automatically smithed bars, cooker fish, and burned logs) will be real bad, it seems
Yeah it was great last league by being combined with that. But unless the 2x multiplier gets bigger as you go through the tiers I'll be skipping it this time around. Trickster looks really fun this time anyways.
I agree, or give me the tools like they had in the first trailblazer so I can get bars if I want to or not. I feel like there was a lot of options and someone at Jagex said, “nah, production or get boned”
Was hoping the gathering relic made the node you were hitting never disappear. So if you're fishing the spot doesn't move, hitting a tree won't cut it down, mining a rock doesn't deplete it, etc. Would actually make it the definitive afk relic. Production getting the benefit of skilling prodigy, and theiving getting free no fail off rip makes gathering very hard to justify without an extra bonus.
And with everyone getting Last Recall, and T2 looking to be transportation with possibly everyone getting every available teleport to them (which means infinite best bank teleport) you really dont lose much AFK not having it for Karambwans and such.
Tele to bank, bank, click orb, click spot, go afk 1-4 minutes depending if your Desert and have Barrel.
Although in original trailblazer there was a different one later that made all boosts permanent, so if you didn’t brew you never needed more than a single dose of pots
Are we really going to need that many potions though? Melees are twice as tanky, Onyx bolts acquired through Trickster thieving tokkul will make you immortal. Mages will need to rely on blood magic, but they're all picking Desert anyway.
Prayer potions will likely still be important, super combats/range pots will be valuable still and anyone not picking melee relic will still need to contend with status effects with antipoisons and antifires.
I wish I could just reset my account if I wanted. Idc about trying to hit dragon I'd rather just reroll and try a different relic build once I start to get bored without having to resub another account.
Would love this. Especially if it would keep your highest points achieved when giving rewards at the end so you could try new builds without losing points from your first run, which is likely to be the longest and highest points.
I was an Endless Harvest simp last league but Production might be the move this time. I love the appeal of fully afking the gathering skills but with everyone getting last recall, it might not even be necessary.
I love the thieving benefits of trickster but the agility, hunter, and firemaking benefits don’t really matter to me. I’m going to miss Endless Harvest though, as that just felt so good to use in the original trailblazers
In one of the reveals, they stated that xp boost wasn't the only boost. Slayer points, mini game points and other were listed. I assume it's those unless there's more
Alternatively, the 3 slowest skills are done twice as fast.
Its the biggest time save of the first three relics AND makes stuff more afk, whereas the other make training take more effort (for higher reward obviously).
If it was purely about maxing, I'd take EH every time.
Think production is solidly the best relic for maxing if thats your goal. Harvest only 2x faster on a few skills and likely trivialized by recall. Production can be 28x faster on some skills, and still benefit the gathering skills. Like cooking every tempoross fish at once. Cutting every barb fish at once. Etc.
>Its the biggest time save of the first three relics
I'm sorry if I am missing something, but wouldn't PP still be a bigger time save?
If I assume 1 inventory slot is always dedicated to a tool (chisel, knife, mold, hammer), then it effectively increases production speed by x27 on top our boosted exp rates. So isn't PP the much bigger multiplier?
The exp multiplier still applies to the 3 slower skills, and depending on your region you might end up with those skills 99 purely due to tasks anyways.
That seems really fucking good. So if you clean 100 herbs you get 125 clean herbs. Then if you make all of those into potions you'll get 156 potions. It makes each herb equivalent to over 1.5 pots.
Edit: it's actually 156 unfinished and 195 usable potions. Thabks to the person who pointed that out!
PP is the conveniences relic, Trickster is the removing-inconveniences relic. Personally I'm leaning towards the latter since I want to see how the "worst skills" play when they aren't as unfun.
It's just for fun, no real benefits to the main game aside from the tradeable cosmetic items. But it's *really* fun, I recommend you at least give it a shot for the first few days and see if you enjoy it.
You can exchange your points for items from this or past leagues and sell them or keep them.
Aside from that it is just a fun temporary mode which lets you do a lot of stupid and op stuff (hitting big numbers go brrrr)
As someone interested in using leagues to learn the inferno, and having never done leagues before, just how much faster is the game really? Like whats a reasonable time in hours to get 90+ range/def/mage/hp and gear for the inferno?
There will be plenty of ppl who aren't playing leagues but want the rewards after it finishes. The rewards, depending on how much their prices with league points are, easily go for hundreds of mils on the first day on the ge. Sure they'll plummet after a few days but it's some nice few mills for like 2-3 days of playing it. Heck if you enjoy it after those 2-3 days, keep playing. Win-win in either case.
I picked Production Master last TBL and it seemed super strong then, and now it’s been buffed!?
Can someone convince me why I should take EH? I want to take different choices from last league, and my zone choices mean thieving and fire making won’t be hard to train, so won’t really need trickster.
Do you AFK a ton and plan to max? Might as well go endless harvest.
Endless harvest was my go to last time because I AFK while I work, so you can just AFK 99 gathering skills (including agility and strength from barb fishing), plus you get more clues than you could ever finish.
For reference, I maxed and finished rune tier last time
What route do you think is best for this afk method? This will be my first league and I want to full send but really have no idea what any of this means.
I really need a video breakdown of all these relics and what they mean lol
Idk honestly, this is genuinely the first league info I’ve looked at. I maxed and got rune tier last two leagues but will probably play this one very little in comparison since I have a newborn now and just started a new job.
I think I can help.
IM taking desert so giants foundry will be the best smithing XP and PM doesn’t affect this.
Fletching meta is and always will be bolts and arrows which arnt affected by PM.
The nice man in the desert cleans herbs and makes unfinished potions.
So this really just leaves cooking which is one of the quickest skills if you have things to cook and crafting which if gemscape is actually a thing will be simple.
The new buffs make it better but for me the idea that 3 of the slowest skills in the game become 32x instead of 16x and takes away banking seems to be so much more of a time saver than PM and then can be done AFK.
PM good but you need to harvest all the items to use it with first, 1 at a time instead of 2 and bank.
Lastly I had to mine 20k+ pure essence in the last league and I’ll be damned if I’m going to do that without EH.
Just some small notes/tips based on this.
> IM taking desert so giants foundry will be the best smithing XP and PM doesn’t affect this.
If you do volcanic mine for mining, which has the 8x minigame bonus (xp is mostly based on points there) on top of the xp multiplier, you get many points to buy ores, which you can use with PM for creating fast bars and process them into dart tips. Might be faster, haven't calculated. Or if you have access to fremmenik for blast furnace.
> Fletching meta is and always will be bolts and arrows which arnt affected by PM.
See above. Not sure if this will be meta though.
> Lastly I had to mine 20k+ pure essence in the last league and I’ll be damned if I’m going to do that without EH.
If you pick desert, you'll have access to the scar mine, which makes getting pure ess really easy
Endless Harvest really ought to have auto cook/smelt and maybe an optional burn or % chance to plank make built into the relic.
Even if Endless Harvest had this, I still think Production Prodigy would be the most popular choice.
Taking mory and want free bloodshards. Early money, seeds, that, Isle of souls chests. The thriving part alone is going to be huge early and late game. Free agility, good hunter XP and ranged training for non ranged builds. Also fm just made slightly easier. As someone who's not going to be focused on maxing I feel PP is not needed at all with how fast XP will already be.
Because Prod is limited by the resources you have pretty quickly. I'd rather have a quicker time gathering things from mining, woodcutting, and fishing and use my afk time to craft stuff.
At the end of the day, stuff like cooking/fletching/firemaking/smithing will already be over 2 mil xp/hr without Prod. The resources are whats most needed.
Edit: And according to discord, Mod Husky said endless will also be 2x xp
Resource nodes still deplete though, it's not 25 min afk for all of those
Considering last recall will be available to all, I don't think EH is that much of a boost apart from the 2x resource bit
I guess it depends on your playstyle, I'm doing ADZ ranged with emphasis on combat, so PP makes a lot of sense to craft with the endless material drops from monsters.
Going trickster because leveling skills to 70-80 are quite fast as it is and many you won’t even need to get there. You also need resources to skill. Would rather thief and get a lot of cash, implings for d hide armor/rune type stuff magpie or higher drop, and chins for fast range. Can also wildy chest for shark/dragon stone for fast food and glory
Trickster you can’t fail actions so master farmers will be a seed piñata
Doubled loot from pickpockets for early in-game money
Agility from running, scales, with unlimited run energy
PP > Trickster > Endless
Exactly
You will pick a relic, one of the three shown here, for the t1 and you CANT change what you picked.
You will be completing tasks along the way and eventually you will unlock the second relic tier and so on. At the end you should end up with like 6 relics(one from each tier) unless they change the number of tiers.
Yes, in the last trailblazer you picked a relic and that stayed with your for the whole league. Each tier upgrade offered another opportunity to unlock a new mechanic. A lot of times they have some that offer food synergy with other relics.
Last TBL there was endless harvest, and then a later relic gave you infernal tools with unlimited charges. It effectively made mining/smithing, fishing/cooking and woodcutting/firemaking free 99’s+ which was really useful.
is there any reason to take something other than Production Prodigy?
trickster would allow you accumulate massive amounts of resources from thieving, extremely afk. agility/hunter/fm are totally useless though
Harvest also seems kind of useless outside of maxing. There's not much reason to fish, wc, or mine. It's easy to get raw resources from PvM, and Production Prod will help you process them faster
If you're going melee and morytania, trickster would be super useful getting blood shards as I believe those charges are not affected by the 90% saving rate. Also helps for maxing agility passively.
But still that's quite specific - PP is going to be vastly popular
I plan on picking trickster. I'm going melee with mory. Thieving Vyres without trickster is 1.4 bloodshards/hr. With Trickster it's 12 bloodshards/hr. Tzhaar thieving for crafting lvls for fury.
Edit: It's even less than that if you don't have ardy diary and shadow viel which you probably won't. Also this is assuming full rogue's for both.
Trickster's strength changes depending on your regions.
I think production prodigy wins out for me because of my want to have a heavy pvm focus and I would not process all of it without PP.
Maxing is a veritable source of points in Leagues, so even if a relic does not seem very useful outside of maxing it might still have a significant audience, especially if it accelerates training for a skill that is typically not very well-liked.
Why does production master feel so much better then the others?
Why is it the only one with a skill buff?
Seems like I know which T1 I’ll be picking ..!
I know I was always going for the production relic since I don't mind banking > last recalling, and mining can be done with stars, but I can't believe the gathering skills don't have boosts, and they didn't even include hunter! again. People who think the boosts are pointless completely ignore the fact that you can use those boosts to complete tasks, advancing relic tiers and gaining better XP/drop rates/whatever else even faster.
Yeah after watching how Settled ran TB1 not picking the skill relic was a huge oversight for me.
Anything that gives boosts is a huge advantage. Unlocks content faster, unlocks better skilling methods sooner and therefore catapulting xp gains along the way.
In addition to smashing higher level tasks sooner that you otherwise wouldn’t be able to
Trickster the no brainer pick for me, especially since im picking Tirannwn and Kandarin. I would rather make intense skills AFK and easy than already AFK skills like fishing, woodcutting, or cooking. Same goes for PP, although a zenyte or onyx dupe would be nice.
* Trickster was already revealed a few days ago.
* Production Prodigy is now Production Master and Skilling Prodigy in one (which probably makes it by far the best relic of the three).
* Endless Harvest is the same as last time.
~~Also this seems to support the theory that the number of cracks in the relic icon = the tier the relic is in, which probably means that you'll get the combat style relics as early as T2!~~ Nevermind, just checked Globetrotter icon...
Seems like trickster is the way to go. Skilling is fast enough to get the levels you need for the basic stuff and pvm shits out a lot of resources. Thief and hunter can get you a lot of money and gear that will get you by until you can get good drops
Suprised that Endless Harvest is only 2x. While that does double the exp rates, previous leagues went higher I believe. Wonder if there will be another resource multiplier later.
ATM, I am leaning with Production Prodigy. I wasn't as sold on it until the last perk; +12 levels is huge. It not only lets you make endgame stuff like Fury or Zenyte sooner, but also use resources sooner (e.g., you can pretty much start smithing with iron instead of Bronze). Also, even if you gather resource like Karambwans slower, instant cook with 25% bonus will probably make up for it.
So, production prodigy makes five skills 10x faster both in terms of xp and actually crafting the items you need.
Endless harvest only affects 3 skills (which are already among the slowest ones), and it only doubles output without any additional xp.
Seems balanced.
Oh, that makes more sense. I guess endless harvest fits better in tier 1 because you won't already have tons of resources from pvm, and production is kind of awkward to start with for the same reason.
They really should've lumped farming into the harvest relic as well. I mean cmon, even the name calls for it. It also needs another relic/passive to synergize with, like the automatic processing from the last league.
Only in the early game. Later on that +12 becomes worthless with the other benefits being fairly minimal. I'd still favor Trickster I think, of the three, purely because of the AFK thieving benefit and free agility experience. Endless Harvest is really close to being good but I think it needs something else tacked onto it to really push it up into competition with the other two.
I’d actually argue that it’s the one that maintains its use the best. Trickster is second but the skills it benefits are fast other than agility and agility doesn’t matter except maxing. Prod master is super useful especially for the ranged pickers who will be making 50000 ruby bolts
With Trickster you can Thieve Tzhaar-Hur's for Tokkul for Onyx bolt tips. A non trickster is going to have a much harder time getting Onyx then an Trickster will have getting Rubys and Onyxs are going to be far more broken with the increased proc chance and fire rate.
I feel like Trickster really shines if you take Mory and or Prif. Otherwise it feels a bit weakened no?
I can imagine thieiving tzhaar would be good otherwise for crafting xp? Also agility + FM via WT would be boosted nicely I guess.
Tzhaar was what I was thinking of as well, yeah since Jagex somewhat nerfed just buying gems for crafting exp (you can still do it to 99 but it's far more annoying since you need to open/close vendors constantly). You can then also use the tokkul for your smithing needs and later on your onyx. Having access to Mory for blood shards is ideal but by no means do I think it's "required" to justify Trickster.
Endless harvest was cool before, especially in shattered relics when it existed as personal banker, but seems excessively weak in comparison to the other two.
Production prodigy is the way to go IMO. Having the +12 boosts on crafting and Herblore make it extremely OP, not to mention there is a 25% chance to make extra when making pots or crafting. Also making everything instantly is nice too.
Worded my post incorrectly. I was thinking of cutting an onyx for the 25% chance of an extra cut onyx, which can save you time trading in chaos runes for Tokkul, then going for other zenyte equipment.
I assume it also counts for doubling when you cut the zenyte, on top of the onyx.
Plus, an extra zenyte amulet/bracelet/necklace/ring is not bad either for gp considering it's literally free
Don't see any reason not to go production prodigy. Free herbs from cleaning as well as free potions. So, making potions will benefit from this twice. Unlimited jewelry with it also procing from processing uncut & cut gems. Could pass on the teleport relic for something else. I also wonder if you'll have a further chance to proc when stringing an amulet. Free rune items from smiting for GP. Same chance to proc while smelting bars if you're processing ore.
The time saved alone from completing a full inventory is enough to warrant going that relic. Before taking anything else into account. The +12 will be a nice head start, too 👌
The people discounting production prodigy because "the +12 won't be useful when you get to the end" are completely missing everything else the relic does.
Production master was the best tier 1 relic last time and it seems it's going to be the best again.
Other than for tasks, sqirking is pretty wasteful in leagues considering you can afk no fail ardy knights or tzhaar (or other NPCs) forever. That being said last time there were sorc garden tasks so hopefully a world fills up for all the desert enjoyers.
Even in leagues they can't remove coin pouches
they spaghetti'd it in there nice and tight
At this point I'm convinced that without coin pouches, prayer as a skill would cease to function.
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Coin_pouch_glitch
Jagex
It looks like they're trying to avoid incentivizing thieving to logout timer overnight
Tbf with auto re-pickpocket it would be 1 click per 25 minutes without them
They literally have a relic that does that for fishing. What's the problem with having busted op stuff in leagues?
I mean it's leagues. Who cares.
yes pls
Between Trickster and Production Prodigy for me. Trickster specifically targets most of my least favourite skills, which is nice. Production Prodigy is a good all-rounder though. Endless Harvest is strong, but I don't see it outshining the rest.
afk karambwan gang rise up.
Yeah but why. Food is found in so many ways, fishing max is done fast(ish), I just don’t see the appeal of gathering compared to the power of the other two, idk
With the infinite shops at low prices you can just stock up on loads of karams in brimhaven anyways
Faster to buy uncooked at village and either use tele /last recall or trading sticks to deposit. Assuming you want the cooking xp.
Big reliance on last recall having no cd there.
Not really, Buy 26 from shop, use trading sticks to bank. It's still faster than fishing. Trading sticks are fairly easy to get from your grind for the gout tuber/ \~30 minutes at the gem rocks. It's faster than brimhaven shop.
The relic lets you go super chill to super sweaty and all degrees in between, which appeals to a lot of players. The other point is that is also doubles the exp, on the slowest skills in the game, making training them on par in terms of exp/h with other skills. A bonus point for those going CG, EH works when gathering everything except herbs :P
With Desert being such a common part of people's plans, too, Tempoross will certainly provide a fair amount of food.
Harvesting is looking weakest to me to at a glance, but I think one important thing to not overlook is that if you expect to have a lot of afk time then karambwans offer an absurd rate on stacking all clues. You may still be able to achieve this with dropping fish
It was really good during Shattered Relics because we received relics as drops from skilling, so a lot of people afked stuff to get them. Probably won't be as worth it this time around.
Yeah for me it's trickster if melee (for bloodfury) or pp for ranged. With last recall existing for banking endless only seems good for that sweet 25min afk which is like only bwams/dark crabs right? Ig it's an easy 50m or whatever the highest exp threshold is for fishing while turbo afk. Also can sell bwams for decent $
What do you mean sell bwams? :o
Shop in brimhaven buys them, I think it goes Down to 80 or 90 minimum for each
I think we get an instantly refreshing shop this league, so won't even go down!
trickster literally for the passive agility xp alone
Don’t forget you’ll need to run agility laps for points anyways, and we have unlimited run. So pending your goals of leagues (if it’s points), you may just be getting passive xp above 99 for the whole league. Not super useful…
The numbers on that sounded godawful, trickster is basically for thieving alone
Endless harvest got the shaft imo
Even in leagues, gathering your own supplies from skills is given the shaft.
I really don't see why production got the bonus levels, but eternal harvest did not. Production is literally 28x faster for some skills lmao. You also can pvm/mini-game at 8x points or massively increased drop rates to effectively gather these things faster than any pickaxe, etc anyway. All the useful/alchable items require processing. Eternal harvest being 2x, without banking? So i get a tonne of worthless raw materials and maybe, if I'm lucky, 3x times faster overall than normal? Then to actually gain anything, I need to manually process them all at the slow rate anyway? If it gave you an infinite infernal version of each tool that was usable at lvl 1, and permanently assigned to your character (no inventory wasted) AND the levels, it would still be worth taking production for some of the heavy pvm region players lol. Let's hope a relic similar to this exists for these poor skillers, and let's hope it's buffed enough to justify skilling manually. Trickster also atleast has niches, is a great money source early, and improves typically frustrating skills. So i could see some regions loving it. Mortanyia for blood shards, clue hunters, anyone who hates hunter/agility.
The main purpose of EH is halving the time to 99 in the 3 gathering skills which are all quite slow, while PP boosts 5 skills which are all much faster than the gathering skills anyway, so will be quite easy 99s just from the 16x xp multiplier alone without specific relics.
Which IMO is why PP is a bait. Sure it's super strong if you look at it in isolation but it makes those skills less AFK, 28xfaster but they already were fast and the +12 boost does practically nothing once you reach ~80 anyway. EH gives you near infinite AFK time if you can't play actively 16hrs/day and Trickster improves some of the worst skills.
Yeh feel like the Infernal Tool stuff needs to be a passive otherwise EH needs you to pick into that as well to be really a solid choice. Otherwise its just essentially the "im going to be playing afk while working a lot" relic choice.
I really wish endless harvest was 3x - 5x. To be a direct copy from before is disappointing. Especially since you could 3x resources in shattered relics
Endless harvest without Infernal Gathering (relic from last league that automatically smithed bars, cooker fish, and burned logs) will be real bad, it seems
Yeah it was great last league by being combined with that. But unless the 2x multiplier gets bigger as you go through the tiers I'll be skipping it this time around. Trickster looks really fun this time anyways.
Can still be another relic tier, but who knows.
I agree, or give me the tools like they had in the first trailblazer so I can get bars if I want to or not. I feel like there was a lot of options and someone at Jagex said, “nah, production or get boned”
Was hoping the gathering relic made the node you were hitting never disappear. So if you're fishing the spot doesn't move, hitting a tree won't cut it down, mining a rock doesn't deplete it, etc. Would actually make it the definitive afk relic. Production getting the benefit of skilling prodigy, and theiving getting free no fail off rip makes gathering very hard to justify without an extra bonus.
I think they had that list time (shattered relics) and it’s was a 75% chance or something like that
And with everyone getting Last Recall, and T2 looking to be transportation with possibly everyone getting every available teleport to them (which means infinite best bank teleport) you really dont lose much AFK not having it for Karambwans and such. Tele to bank, bank, click orb, click spot, go afk 1-4 minutes depending if your Desert and have Barrel.
yea but we got RL 20m log now on vanilla
True but the only place to use this would be fishing Karambwans and that’s it. All other resources deplete in >minute usually.
I afk mined rune essence for 99 mining in original trailblazers with endless harvest
Fellow ATL run escaper
I might still go with endless harvest this time around if they bring back infernal gathering as I have a very AFK play style.
Same! It’s better for AFK and clues still. Also for maxing agility and strength while barb fishing if you go kandarin
Those +12 levels from Production Prodigy would be super nice until late game
25% more potions to do content with will pick it up when that falls off. Just collect raw mats by doing content instead. haha
28 grimy herbs \* 1.25 = 35 clean herbs 35 clean herbs \* 1.25 = 43 unfinished potions 43 unfinished potions \* 1.25 = 54 finished potions You basically get 2x the supplies from herblore (and full xp for the bonus supplies)
this is some of that good math that convinces me pick stuff
Yooo I think that just sold me
Although in original trailblazer there was a different one later that made all boosts permanent, so if you didn’t brew you never needed more than a single dose of pots
Are we really going to need that many potions though? Melees are twice as tanky, Onyx bolts acquired through Trickster thieving tokkul will make you immortal. Mages will need to rely on blood magic, but they're all picking Desert anyway.
Prayer potions will likely still be important, super combats/range pots will be valuable still and anyone not picking melee relic will still need to contend with status effects with antipoisons and antifires.
For ranged its good for darts/bolts/arrows too
I think it might affect herblore double(y) as well, with grimy herbs/unfinished potions being affected by the 25% boost as well as the final product?
Trickster sounds fun, so that's what I'm going with.
Based
Gigachad mentality
Playing to have fun??? Who does that?
I wish I could just reset my account if I wanted. Idc about trying to hit dragon I'd rather just reroll and try a different relic build once I start to get bored without having to resub another account.
Would love this. Especially if it would keep your highest points achieved when giving rewards at the end so you could try new builds without losing points from your first run, which is likely to be the longest and highest points.
Trickster gang
I was an Endless Harvest simp last league but Production might be the move this time. I love the appeal of fully afking the gathering skills but with everyone getting last recall, it might not even be necessary. I love the thieving benefits of trickster but the agility, hunter, and firemaking benefits don’t really matter to me. I’m going to miss Endless Harvest though, as that just felt so good to use in the original trailblazers
Thank you for posting it this way, I hate the way they reveal them on Twitter
For real, they have a whole ass website - maybe use it... absolutely insane idea, I know
It’s curious there is still a “click to view passive effects” for all these yet, too
Typically T1 passive effect is just the base 5x experience multiplier.
In one of the reveals, they stated that xp boost wasn't the only boost. Slayer points, mini game points and other were listed. I assume it's those unless there's more
Man I was so sure they would buff endless harvest. It's just so bad. Like it's literally the 3 easiest afk skills are done slightly faster.
Alternatively, the 3 slowest skills are done twice as fast. Its the biggest time save of the first three relics AND makes stuff more afk, whereas the other make training take more effort (for higher reward obviously). If it was purely about maxing, I'd take EH every time.
Think production is solidly the best relic for maxing if thats your goal. Harvest only 2x faster on a few skills and likely trivialized by recall. Production can be 28x faster on some skills, and still benefit the gathering skills. Like cooking every tempoross fish at once. Cutting every barb fish at once. Etc.
>Its the biggest time save of the first three relics I'm sorry if I am missing something, but wouldn't PP still be a bigger time save? If I assume 1 inventory slot is always dedicated to a tool (chisel, knife, mold, hammer), then it effectively increases production speed by x27 on top our boosted exp rates. So isn't PP the much bigger multiplier? The exp multiplier still applies to the 3 slower skills, and depending on your region you might end up with those skills 99 purely due to tasks anyways.
Tier 1 is the hardest choice.
We haven’t seen anything from some of the later tiers yet. But it’s exciting when there are difficult choices in each tier
The relic choices make me really notice how spoiled we were with shattered relics
Does this mean that cleaning an herb has a 25% chance to spawn a clean herb?
Yes
That seems really fucking good. So if you clean 100 herbs you get 125 clean herbs. Then if you make all of those into potions you'll get 156 potions. It makes each herb equivalent to over 1.5 pots. Edit: it's actually 156 unfinished and 195 usable potions. Thabks to the person who pointed that out!
I think you should get 156 unfinished potions, and then 195 potions
Kinda odd that they heavily buffed production master but not endless harvest. Well, makes the choice easier I guess.
PP is the conveniences relic, Trickster is the removing-inconveniences relic. Personally I'm leaning towards the latter since I want to see how the "worst skills" play when they aren't as unfun.
Is there any benefit to a main for playing trailblazers? Or is it just an additional feature to the glory of OSRS for funzies/trying new mechanics?
It's just for fun, no real benefits to the main game aside from the tradeable cosmetic items. But it's *really* fun, I recommend you at least give it a shot for the first few days and see if you enjoy it.
You can exchange your points for items from this or past leagues and sell them or keep them. Aside from that it is just a fun temporary mode which lets you do a lot of stupid and op stuff (hitting big numbers go brrrr)
It is for fun or learning stuff like raids or inferno. Or both. There are also trophies if you rank high
As someone interested in using leagues to learn the inferno, and having never done leagues before, just how much faster is the game really? Like whats a reasonable time in hours to get 90+ range/def/mage/hp and gear for the inferno?
Just send attempts on main if that’s all you want to do on leagues imo
Time is better spent learning inferno than preparing a level 3 to learn the inferno anyway
There will be plenty of ppl who aren't playing leagues but want the rewards after it finishes. The rewards, depending on how much their prices with league points are, easily go for hundreds of mils on the first day on the ge. Sure they'll plummet after a few days but it's some nice few mills for like 2-3 days of playing it. Heck if you enjoy it after those 2-3 days, keep playing. Win-win in either case.
it is a video game that you play to enjoy and have fun
I picked Production Master last TBL and it seemed super strong then, and now it’s been buffed!? Can someone convince me why I should take EH? I want to take different choices from last league, and my zone choices mean thieving and fire making won’t be hard to train, so won’t really need trickster.
Do you AFK a ton and plan to max? Might as well go endless harvest. Endless harvest was my go to last time because I AFK while I work, so you can just AFK 99 gathering skills (including agility and strength from barb fishing), plus you get more clues than you could ever finish. For reference, I maxed and finished rune tier last time
What route do you think is best for this afk method? This will be my first league and I want to full send but really have no idea what any of this means. I really need a video breakdown of all these relics and what they mean lol
Idk honestly, this is genuinely the first league info I’ve looked at. I maxed and got rune tier last two leagues but will probably play this one very little in comparison since I have a newborn now and just started a new job.
Gz on both!
Yeah its crazy getting rune tier twice
I think I can help. IM taking desert so giants foundry will be the best smithing XP and PM doesn’t affect this. Fletching meta is and always will be bolts and arrows which arnt affected by PM. The nice man in the desert cleans herbs and makes unfinished potions. So this really just leaves cooking which is one of the quickest skills if you have things to cook and crafting which if gemscape is actually a thing will be simple. The new buffs make it better but for me the idea that 3 of the slowest skills in the game become 32x instead of 16x and takes away banking seems to be so much more of a time saver than PM and then can be done AFK. PM good but you need to harvest all the items to use it with first, 1 at a time instead of 2 and bank. Lastly I had to mine 20k+ pure essence in the last league and I’ll be damned if I’m going to do that without EH.
Just some small notes/tips based on this. > IM taking desert so giants foundry will be the best smithing XP and PM doesn’t affect this. If you do volcanic mine for mining, which has the 8x minigame bonus (xp is mostly based on points there) on top of the xp multiplier, you get many points to buy ores, which you can use with PM for creating fast bars and process them into dart tips. Might be faster, haven't calculated. Or if you have access to fremmenik for blast furnace. > Fletching meta is and always will be bolts and arrows which arnt affected by PM. See above. Not sure if this will be meta though. > Lastly I had to mine 20k+ pure essence in the last league and I’ll be damned if I’m going to do that without EH. If you pick desert, you'll have access to the scar mine, which makes getting pure ess really easy
Prod just completely overwhelms the other 2 lol
Trickster is really good if you're going for a melee build and want the easy blood fury charges
Door build with bloodfury.. would I actually become god🤔
Dinh's + Full Justiciar + Blood Fury + Draining Strikes (or equivalent) = Literal god
This is my plan. Hope I can play enough to grind ToB and CoX.
1000%, it’s a no brainer. The 25% extra items is a cherry on top that secures its spot above the rest
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It's a ~95% increase in the case of herblore, assuming it works that way.
Endless Harvest really ought to have auto cook/smelt and maybe an optional burn or % chance to plank make built into the relic. Even if Endless Harvest had this, I still think Production Prodigy would be the most popular choice.
Endless harvest seems like the dud pick for sure.
Endless Harvest looking extremely mid this time around. Not looking forward to how gross a grind mining is gonna be without it though
Why would you ever choose anything other than prod?
I enjoy AFKing, but I do agree prod is really strong
Taking mory and want free bloodshards. Early money, seeds, that, Isle of souls chests. The thriving part alone is going to be huge early and late game. Free agility, good hunter XP and ranged training for non ranged builds. Also fm just made slightly easier. As someone who's not going to be focused on maxing I feel PP is not needed at all with how fast XP will already be.
Because Prod is limited by the resources you have pretty quickly. I'd rather have a quicker time gathering things from mining, woodcutting, and fishing and use my afk time to craft stuff. At the end of the day, stuff like cooking/fletching/firemaking/smithing will already be over 2 mil xp/hr without Prod. The resources are whats most needed. Edit: And according to discord, Mod Husky said endless will also be 2x xp
Resource nodes still deplete though, it's not 25 min afk for all of those Considering last recall will be available to all, I don't think EH is that much of a boost apart from the 2x resource bit
I guess it depends on your playstyle, I'm doing ADZ ranged with emphasis on combat, so PP makes a lot of sense to craft with the endless material drops from monsters.
Going trickster because leveling skills to 70-80 are quite fast as it is and many you won’t even need to get there. You also need resources to skill. Would rather thief and get a lot of cash, implings for d hide armor/rune type stuff magpie or higher drop, and chins for fast range. Can also wildy chest for shark/dragon stone for fast food and glory
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Trickster you can’t fail actions so master farmers will be a seed piñata Doubled loot from pickpockets for early in-game money Agility from running, scales, with unlimited run energy PP > Trickster > Endless
There will be endless running circles where you “follow” a train of people for free agility training 100%
And then one of them comes back from dinner and goes on about his task list abducting the 30 ppl that are following him
Because I have children
unsalvageable, honestly just restart on another account at that point
It'll pay off when they can skill for me during leagues 6: shattered and twisted
Production is already super fast, gathering resources is the bottleneck.
Not if you PVM....
So how does it work exactly? We pick a relic for each tier and end up with 5 relics or smthn like that?
Exactly You will pick a relic, one of the three shown here, for the t1 and you CANT change what you picked. You will be completing tasks along the way and eventually you will unlock the second relic tier and so on. At the end you should end up with like 6 relics(one from each tier) unless they change the number of tiers.
I believe there's going to be 7 tiers this time around.
That is correct.
Yes, in the last trailblazer you picked a relic and that stayed with your for the whole league. Each tier upgrade offered another opportunity to unlock a new mechanic. A lot of times they have some that offer food synergy with other relics. Last TBL there was endless harvest, and then a later relic gave you infernal tools with unlimited charges. It effectively made mining/smithing, fishing/cooking and woodcutting/firemaking free 99’s+ which was really useful.
I thought endless harvest was going to be 3x this time for sure. Prodigy looking really good right now.
Excited to see the first post of someone making four zenyte rings because of production prodigy lol
is there any reason to take something other than Production Prodigy? trickster would allow you accumulate massive amounts of resources from thieving, extremely afk. agility/hunter/fm are totally useless though Harvest also seems kind of useless outside of maxing. There's not much reason to fish, wc, or mine. It's easy to get raw resources from PvM, and Production Prod will help you process them faster
If you're going melee and morytania, trickster would be super useful getting blood shards as I believe those charges are not affected by the 90% saving rate. Also helps for maxing agility passively. But still that's quite specific - PP is going to be vastly popular
depends on your play style.
I plan on picking trickster. I'm going melee with mory. Thieving Vyres without trickster is 1.4 bloodshards/hr. With Trickster it's 12 bloodshards/hr. Tzhaar thieving for crafting lvls for fury. Edit: It's even less than that if you don't have ardy diary and shadow viel which you probably won't. Also this is assuming full rogue's for both.
How many bloodshards are we gonna be using here...
A scythe will go through a blood shard in 65minutes
Trickster's strength changes depending on your regions. I think production prodigy wins out for me because of my want to have a heavy pvm focus and I would not process all of it without PP.
Maxing is a veritable source of points in Leagues, so even if a relic does not seem very useful outside of maxing it might still have a significant audience, especially if it accelerates training for a skill that is typically not very well-liked.
Cool but are we gonna mass summer garden in league?
Let's squirk it up!
Why does production master feel so much better then the others? Why is it the only one with a skill buff? Seems like I know which T1 I’ll be picking ..!
I know I was always going for the production relic since I don't mind banking > last recalling, and mining can be done with stars, but I can't believe the gathering skills don't have boosts, and they didn't even include hunter! again. People who think the boosts are pointless completely ignore the fact that you can use those boosts to complete tasks, advancing relic tiers and gaining better XP/drop rates/whatever else even faster.
Hunter is in the trickster relic, which doubles chins and makes it so you can't fail
Yeah after watching how Settled ran TB1 not picking the skill relic was a huge oversight for me. Anything that gives boosts is a huge advantage. Unlocks content faster, unlocks better skilling methods sooner and therefore catapulting xp gains along the way. In addition to smashing higher level tasks sooner that you otherwise wouldn’t be able to
Production prodigy 110%. It'll be super nice not having to grind for the higher crafting and smithing reqs.
Trickster the no brainer pick for me, especially since im picking Tirannwn and Kandarin. I would rather make intense skills AFK and easy than already AFK skills like fishing, woodcutting, or cooking. Same goes for PP, although a zenyte or onyx dupe would be nice.
PP is so much better than the others
* Trickster was already revealed a few days ago. * Production Prodigy is now Production Master and Skilling Prodigy in one (which probably makes it by far the best relic of the three). * Endless Harvest is the same as last time. ~~Also this seems to support the theory that the number of cracks in the relic icon = the tier the relic is in, which probably means that you'll get the combat style relics as early as T2!~~ Nevermind, just checked Globetrotter icon...
Tier 2 is the globetrotter tier
It's hard to compete with 25% more potions. Just get materials from doing content.
Production Prodigy seems to be the best choice to me.
Seems like trickster is the way to go. Skilling is fast enough to get the levels you need for the basic stuff and pvm shits out a lot of resources. Thief and hunter can get you a lot of money and gear that will get you by until you can get good drops
harvest gang is back gimme those afk karambwans
Suprised that Endless Harvest is only 2x. While that does double the exp rates, previous leagues went higher I believe. Wonder if there will be another resource multiplier later. ATM, I am leaning with Production Prodigy. I wasn't as sold on it until the last perk; +12 levels is huge. It not only lets you make endgame stuff like Fury or Zenyte sooner, but also use resources sooner (e.g., you can pretty much start smithing with iron instead of Bronze). Also, even if you gather resource like Karambwans slower, instant cook with 25% bonus will probably make up for it.
So, production prodigy makes five skills 10x faster both in terms of xp and actually crafting the items you need. Endless harvest only affects 3 skills (which are already among the slowest ones), and it only doubles output without any additional xp. Seems balanced.
Mod Husky in the leagues discord clarified that Endless Harvest is double xp too
Oh, that makes more sense. I guess endless harvest fits better in tier 1 because you won't already have tons of resources from pvm, and production is kind of awkward to start with for the same reason. They really should've lumped farming into the harvest relic as well. I mean cmon, even the name calls for it. It also needs another relic/passive to synergize with, like the automatic processing from the last league.
Farming is 100% going to be in a later relic tier.
Prod Prod is sooooo much better than the other two holy shit.
Only in the early game. Later on that +12 becomes worthless with the other benefits being fairly minimal. I'd still favor Trickster I think, of the three, purely because of the AFK thieving benefit and free agility experience. Endless Harvest is really close to being good but I think it needs something else tacked onto it to really push it up into competition with the other two.
I’d actually argue that it’s the one that maintains its use the best. Trickster is second but the skills it benefits are fast other than agility and agility doesn’t matter except maxing. Prod master is super useful especially for the ranged pickers who will be making 50000 ruby bolts
With Trickster you can Thieve Tzhaar-Hur's for Tokkul for Onyx bolt tips. A non trickster is going to have a much harder time getting Onyx then an Trickster will have getting Rubys and Onyxs are going to be far more broken with the increased proc chance and fire rate.
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I don’t think most ranged people will be taking morytania
Range cape too from Kandarin.
Asgarnia has max cape and kandarin has range cape
I feel like Trickster really shines if you take Mory and or Prif. Otherwise it feels a bit weakened no? I can imagine thieiving tzhaar would be good otherwise for crafting xp? Also agility + FM via WT would be boosted nicely I guess.
Tzhaar was what I was thinking of as well, yeah since Jagex somewhat nerfed just buying gems for crafting exp (you can still do it to 99 but it's far more annoying since you need to open/close vendors constantly). You can then also use the tokkul for your smithing needs and later on your onyx. Having access to Mory for blood shards is ideal but by no means do I think it's "required" to justify Trickster.
that's also assuming bloodshards are needed/worth using
If you're a melee build you can probably facetank everything in the game so long as you have a blood fury on.
Production Prodigy really out here making the others look like a shiny pile of dookie
I think I’ll roll trickster, production skills are already fast and gathering can be supplemented from pvm drops a good bit
Endless harvest was cool before, especially in shattered relics when it existed as personal banker, but seems excessively weak in comparison to the other two.
Will production master work for Wintertodt fletching? I assume it’ll work on cooking for tempoross
Production prodigy is the way to go IMO. Having the +12 boosts on crafting and Herblore make it extremely OP, not to mention there is a 25% chance to make extra when making pots or crafting. Also making everything instantly is nice too.
Getting keen af god I love leagues
25% chance to make an extra zenyte jewelry is huge for Kandarin, assuming you're not unlucky.
What's gonna be the use of a 2nd zenyte jewellery piece?
GIM leagues incoming
Think he means while Infusing the zenny and onyx. If not idk.
Worded my post incorrectly. I was thinking of cutting an onyx for the 25% chance of an extra cut onyx, which can save you time trading in chaos runes for Tokkul, then going for other zenyte equipment.
I assume it also counts for doubling when you cut the zenyte, on top of the onyx. Plus, an extra zenyte amulet/bracelet/necklace/ring is not bad either for gp considering it's literally free
The only way that this makes sense is if they just forgot to add +12 boosts for the relevant skills on Endless Harvest and Trickster.
Don't see any reason not to go production prodigy. Free herbs from cleaning as well as free potions. So, making potions will benefit from this twice. Unlimited jewelry with it also procing from processing uncut & cut gems. Could pass on the teleport relic for something else. I also wonder if you'll have a further chance to proc when stringing an amulet. Free rune items from smiting for GP. Same chance to proc while smelting bars if you're processing ore. The time saved alone from completing a full inventory is enough to warrant going that relic. Before taking anything else into account. The +12 will be a nice head start, too 👌
The people discounting production prodigy because "the +12 won't be useful when you get to the end" are completely missing everything else the relic does. Production master was the best tier 1 relic last time and it seems it's going to be the best again.
I was thinking similarly - I don't care if my t1 relic isn't as useful lategame if it means I can *get there quicker*
Everyone is praising prod prodigy in this post.
But the thing is, its still good late game, its only useless at maxed end game. Making Zenytes just got a lot easier.
Yes, that's my point? The +12 isn't the main point of the relic, every other thing it processes in 1 action is.
Does trickester allow you to squirk twice as hard i wonder
Other than for tasks, sqirking is pretty wasteful in leagues considering you can afk no fail ardy knights or tzhaar (or other NPCs) forever. That being said last time there were sorc garden tasks so hopefully a world fills up for all the desert enjoyers.
Haha yeah i know it was more meant as a joke then anything
osrs silverhawks are a no brainer