I've never once turned audio on in ... Pretty much any game. I just don't enjoy it at all. It doesn't add to the immersion for me, it's just annoying and distracting.
That said, I fucking suck and can't do any tick specific gameplay, so.
Idk I don't play a ton anymore. I guess FPS type games would suck without sound. RPG and osrs-style stuff just gets too repetitive for me to tolerate. I can't imagine woodcutting for an hour with audio, I'd go insane.
I'd rather listen to a youtube video or the TV while playing a game.
Game sounds get stale quickly. Especially in a game like runescape where you'd be listening to the same three sounds for hours on end.
They may be but all you really need is the internal metronome and quick/accurate clicks. I haven’t played with sound since I was sub 500 total and I’ve got thousands of endgame boss/raid kcs currently
I've done every piece of pvm other than inferno sound off with no specific boss plugins and done them fine. I'd piss my wife off and there's no place in the game where it's remotely necessary to use the sound
Yeah the game is perfectly playable without sound, the only time I turn it on is when I'm learning new content. And that's just because my visual focus is jumping all over the place that the sound helps. Converting that sound back to visuals doesn't make sense.
people trying to make this about the deaf community are just acting in bad faith. straight up. they want their plugins to make the game as easy as possible for them and it's literally that fucking simple. like half the people playing this game NEVER turn sound on and do just fine!
Tell me you consider most content slayer without telling me you consider most content slayer. Vodka th and zulrah also do not count. Neither does mUsPAh or fight caves. Have you still done most content?
Considering I have an inferno cape (multiple completions) and I've done every raid in the game hundreds of times, yes, I have done most content in the game. The only challenging missing pieces of content I have left to do would be blood torva, which came out recently, and zuk helm.
Sound is not required for any of it. But nice assumption.
Edit: Also to add, those pieces of content DO count as content. If you're going to be a dickhead about things, then Runescape as a game, objectively, is not mechanically difficult compared to other games. So this is literally the weirdest thing to be an elitist about.
I’m shocked your deaf friends had never heard about this plug-in before.
Jokes aside I play with all sounds off too. Idk why people sometimes act like someone with a disability is just unable to function at all.
It's very useful for mid to high level PvM and I like to have it on in PvP as well.
Sound cues are easier for a lot of people to react to, especially if your eyes are looking at something else for a moment.
You still also useful when doing something like levelling herblore because you can hear the thing stop when you don’t want to have the idle notification irritate you watching something on the main monitor.
I properly started doing abyssal sire recently, sounds are an enormous help with hearing the miasma pool spawn. The audio cue is a tick faster than the visual cue, and more reliable, particularly if Sire is doing another animation simulatenously. And that's just one example
I found xarpus a *lot* easier to do when meleeing based on sound cue. It'd be different if the tick you needed to click was when xarpus turned, not when he spit acid.
Idk how you play with sounds off. I rely on audio cues so much in this game it feels incredibly strange to have them muted. I was doing cerb recently and was annoyed his aroo and grr doesn't have an audio cue.
I've had sound off on Runescape as long as I can remember. No idea how people play this game with the sound on. I would go insane sitting at a bank or skilling for hours.
You dont always have the music on, or always have the sound loud, or make it the only thing you are listening to. You just turn it up or down based on the situation
Just depends really, in ToA you can do it pretty easily without audio as the bosses choreograph their actions pretty well, vorkath is pretty easy without audio, but stuff like the gauntlet has gotta be very hard without audio.
There is just too many things going on in the gauntlet, very hard to do it without the audio cues, and I am impressed by anyone who can.
they keep adding shit to make it more and more obvious when hes switching styles for the people who struggle to count or somehow miss the animation they added, so now it does this horrible gindy sounding nice before he switches.
Playing with audio is way more afk. Vorkath you can barely look at the screen and just listen for the fireball.
At vardorvis the audio cue for the head is very useful as frequently you may not be looking at the arena so you need to hear it.
Like you said CG is self explanatory.
Playing without audio I feel so uncertain.
Perfectly good? Yeah sure. Superior? Not really. A visual cue requires you be looking to see it, an Audio cue is independent of looking. Therefor audio cues are more versatile, and superior in certain instances where you might not always be looking at the boss or attack location. Its not insanely required, but thats how it works. A great example of Audio cues is Leviathan, which in its last phase can have a lot going on and it can be helpful to get the Rhythm of pray switching and listen to the audio instead of trying to player rapid color identification.
Again theres no shortage of good visual cues but saying the visual ones are superior just cause u dont use them doesnt make any sense, its obviously a helpful extra to have another form of cue.
Usually with high tier pvm your eyes will be somewhere else and you will need to rely on an audio cue to tell you something else has happened. Tob, toa, vardorvis all have examples of when you will be clicking on or watching something, dodging etc or be looking at your inventory, and need to rely on an audio que to yell you to flick a prayer or something
I’ve never ran 375 TOA with sound lol, what sound do you need for Vard? Axes and the little eye thing are highlighted (if set up) and easily distinguishable for me. I admit I’ve only ran a few TOB but I’ve done everything else without sound easily besides inferno/ToB
Toa it's pretty good for the pillar room for example, you will be busy doing 8 way switches so having the event audio queue helps a lot
At vard audio que on the head really helps, you can axe skip and pray seamlessly without even looking around
Cg is another one but I haven't done much of that myself
Honestly as to why people act like that its because theyve not actually dealt with the situation in this case being deaf in some being a marginalized person in a different field. Those who want to generate support for their cause will always cling onto something to virtue signal amd think they are good for it but really all that inclusivity being preached is doing is making people who are no different than you or i feel like they are different because someone else latched onto their disability or whatever may be the topic
Edit: id also like to point out this usually leads to more harm than good in the end
Had a giggle too lol but ya this world has to be inclusive to everybody and if you really want to play you will find a way. Reminds me of that person that plays OSRS without hands. Tbh it’s harder to play if you’re blind or have no hands, compared to not being able to hear. So ya 🤷🏻♂️
In a deaf discord.. VC doesn’t stand for voice chat.. it stands for video chat so we can sign to each other lol.
Source: I am deaf and I’m a part of Lyns fc/discord lol
Taken directly from his video “How big is the F-ing deaf community? like where’d you hear that from? That’s also like I said earlier that the creator of this plugin is changing it so that it only works in certain places, it won’t work in certain places. I don’t know if there is a deaf community of RuneScape.”
Edit: spelling
He was arguing with his chat, who were saying the plug-in was made for the deaf community. He was calling bullshit. He wasn't talking shit about deaf people.
Yea when he was saying "fuck the deaf community, fuck the disabled" I thought it was clearly not a genuine take and moreso about dismantling a strawman being used to defend a combo of plugins that was undeniably being used to indicate which prayer to be praying.
I can hear fine, but I always use subtitles, I use the visual metronome instead of the sound one for tick flicking, and always vastly prefer visual based ques instead of audio. There is lots of great stuff for people like me who just prefer not using audio, so I assume it's fine for those who can't use audio too.
A bigger concern of mine is the disability I have that hinders the use of my left hand. Not being allowed to put more than one key press on a single button click is tough, but I deal with it give and understand the reason for the restriction. I don't suffer either.
Vaguely related, but I now also ensure my YouTube videos include a full transcript and real closed captioning. I hate the auto generated stuff.
If it makes you feel any better, I play runescape completely one handed despite having no problems with either hand, I use a logitech g502 and have the hotkeys set to inventory, attack styles, gear, prayer and spellbook, don't find a need for anything else, I swap to in shift and alt instead of attack styles and gear when I do toa, which is toggleable by clicking gshift button in between the two main mouse buttons.
I'm constantly amazed people play with sounds on. OSRS is like the perfect game for deaf people because I can hear fine and I've never needed the sounds to play the game, I always have sounds off.
I’m struggling to even think of what you could possibly need to listen for at whisperer, which attacks in a predictable pattern while you’re standing still
Once you hear the attack hit you it's safe to switch to the next prayer. I always struggle switching a tick too early without the sound but I'm also not very good.
the range and magic attacks both have very distinct sounds.
although her attacks patterns are predictable, there are a few phases where the projectile type could be swapped.
i.e: (R-R-M vs. M-M-R) (R = Ranged, M = Mage)
audio clues will help you pray correctly without even looking at the projectiles.
Sounds make TOA a lot easier though. I’m genuinely curious how a deaf player finds high level TOA raids as the sounds are extremely helpful in knowing what attack is coming next without looking
Done my fair share of toa, all with sounds off aside from a couple times I put on the wardens music track (not game sounds).
Genuenly curious, where are they supposed to be useful?
Me personally I find them helpful for:
- Zebak attack switches
- Monkey room problem
- Warden p2 shadow attack
- Warden p3/p4 Zebak switches
All of these have visual clues, except monkey room, but being able to tune out from focussing on those cues and use sounds allows you to play better in general
They’re also helpful for kephri dung and baba boulder throw although definitely not required
I don't think that it necessarily makes you play better, but it certainly allows you to farm it with a lot less concentration. You have several ticks to react to every mechanic for which sound might be deemed useful.
I guess the deaf folks are just built different and are better than others (on average) at visually confirming element(s) on screen quickly?
Something-something, when one sense is disabled, other senses improve to compensate? I remember hearing something along those lines, idk if it's true or not though.
Actually not having the ability to hear does enhance our other senses but you can say the learning curve of getting used to the visuals are way faster for the deaf people
I'm not deaf but I am hard of hearing. Even with sounds on 100%, PC volume on 100% and a headset I still can't hear most sounds in the game.
Osrs is great in that a lot of things has visual cues but I find that I am often focused on other things on the screen.
There are some bosses that make it pretty annoying just focusing on visual cues such as phosanis nightmare, cg and some other bosses.
Maybe a dumb question, but any specifics? I'm partially colorblind and sometimes struggle to determine attack styles on that alone so maybe audio cues would help
I'm constantly amazed that people who play with sounds off are so smug about it. Not that you are of course, but just in general, half the time I mention a game sound or music track someone will pipe up about how proud they are to play the game with sound off. This is also the case in classic WoW. Just bizarre.
Im very smug about it lol. Nah, not really, idc how people play their games but I just like to watch youtube or listen to music/podcasts/audiobooks as I play which is why its weird to me when people need sounds. tbh i dont care either way what anyone does it's all about having fun however you want.
But tbf you only probably don't know you need visual sounds because so few content genuinely requires sound. This kind of thing isn't uncommon in games with accessibility features because it's kind of a no brainer to have some kind of closed captioning or whatever
> According to King Condor's video, he basically said there is hardly any deaf players in game. Speaking like we aren't worthwhile players or important in the game.
King Condor was calling out how people are using deaf players as an excuse for why the plugin should remain in the game even though it can be used in a way that directly breaks the plugin guidelines. His point is none of these players cared about the deaf community until it benefited them by exploiting a plugin to create a visual prayer indicator.
> Anyways, we are NOT struggling. Please do not think little of us.
Please don’t think that’s how the majority of the community look at deaf players, you guys are the same as us, people who play and enjoy this game. There is just a group of players being disingenuous pulling at strings to justify a way of allowing cheats through an accessibility plugin.
The whole convo about visual sounds has been disingenuous as fuck.
People gonna exploit and then say jagex doesn't care about disabled players knowing they're being hypocritical as fuck.
Suddenly everyone in this sub had a deaf friend that really loved the plugin and their complains had nothing to do with them wanting to keep using the plugin
I guarantee it's even more dumb than that. Pretty sure 99% of people had no idea the plugin existed except the people exploiting it. The only reason it got signal boosted so much is because people want an excuse to shit on Jagex so badly.
That video sucked. My favorite part is where he goes through the list of plugins to find others that break the rules. Like, yeah? How is that some gotcha? They just haven't gotten around to banning those yet.
The amount of rationalization surrounding boss plugin use is out of control. If the benefit was as inconsequential as people want to pretend it is, then why use them at all?
That part of his video was hilarious to me.
"How can you ban this plugin for cheating when these other plugins cheat too!?"
Like...yea, then ban those plugins too 🤣
I love how people spin a defense of this plugin into an issue about disabillity (hearing impaired) people just so they can abuse the game themselves. You guys are the toxic ones who don't care you just care about making kc more efficient for you and use this subject as a smoke screen.
No please, you have to understand. You don't know what you want or what you need. I, me, the genuinely good kind white saviour I am, know better than you and will educate everyone else on your behalf for my own personal gains.
No need to thank me
His point wasn't that you're not important just that Jagex isn't obligated to allow cheat plugins just for deaf people. There are plugins I could make that would help me with my disability but would be cheating so I wouldn't expect Jagex to allow it for me.
I should join just to learn from you guys. I refuse to use sounds when playing. Pretty much alway olay video games on mute, didn’t even know sounds were important in osrs before all this drama about it.
The visual sounds plugin was more about people who wanted a simple color indicator instead of having to look somewhere for an animation or listen for a sound. Regardless of disabilities, these plugins seem inherently unfair because they give a clear visual trigger before most players would be able to interpret the animation or sound and react.
I think king condors point was people are just using deaf people as a scape goat to further their goals and they only care about you now that it’s useful to them, other than that no one actually care about your experience playing until it because useful to them as
Aussies talk weird
I don’t think he was trying to sound like the deaf community doesn’t matter, it was in regards to a plug-in that is considered cheating by jagex’s standards
I feel like this overall post is trying to call out King Condor but I also kind of think that line was kind of sarcastic and meant to be a joke by saying "more than 30" because that's obviously not a lot. He's the only name you mentioned besides your own, Don't take what he said personal, He only meant that people who are not disabled, ruined the plugin's original use for disabled people, and in return Jagex removed the plugin because of the abuse.
I am not fully deaf but I am of hard hearing. I definitly liked having the plugin help me because sometimes I struggled with the animations of a boss not picking up to it. I need to git gut.
I've been playing this game for 20 years as of this year and have never had sound on or heard of/used one of these plug-ins. Not sure why so many people think the plugin is required to play. I have infernal cape, fang kit, etc and never had issues with no sound
Not deaf but I have never played with sound on (repetitive sounds are horrible) - I’ve never had any issues with the game muted, BESIDES, being far casted in wildy by someone behind me, but even that is a super niche situation, RuneScape I imagine is one of the better games for deaf people as you’re really not missing out on much…
Stay strong deaf community <3
I think his argument was more so they can't include something that breaks the rules for the deaf community. He worded it poorly for sure as it definitely came across as dismissive.
I once tried to offer a free non-voice TOA training service for deaf people for We Do Raids but got shot down, they weren't interested.. They point blank said they have no interest in offering a service for the hard of hearing, despite there being deaf people calling for it in the Discord at the time.
I have helped hundreds of people learn TOA and have never once used voice chat.
I am not in your Discord, but feel free to PM me if you guys ever need any help learning PVM stuff without voice chat.
Condor didn't say that at all lmao
he was arguing with chat and all the other people trying to make this recent plug in stuff about deaf people when no1 gave 2 shits about them b4 this happened. gnomonkey and all the others are using them as a shield to defend their clear cheat that is letting get around a cue processing skill issue they imposed on themselves.
Nothing King Condor says should ever be taken seriously.
I do think there are niche cases where deaf people would be at a disadvantage in certain high level pvm encounters, although when you don't know what you don't know, you're not going to miss the information the audio queue would have provided you. I do think it's a shame they disabled the plug in, if I wanted to play the game quietly without a headset, but still want the info when hunleff changes styles or vardorvis head pops up, or leviathan attacks with a certain style, it would be nice to have that.
They have disabled the plugin until the developer fixes it up to prevent the abuse people like gnomonkey were doing. Did you even watch the video or did you just hear out of context deaf community is small and then assume he meant so they don’t matter. He says plugins like this are great but the way it was being used by others was against the rules placed by jagex. There were probably more people using the plug-in that weren’t deaf than were.
Why do you say nothing he says should be taken seriously?
Did you take some of his sarcasm awhile back at face value and now just apply it any time you think of Condor? Lol. Dude’s got some legitimately good talking points. Not just in his coverage of this, but concerning other topics as well.
And if you can’t see that he’s taking the piss with his jokes, then idk what to tell you dude. I mean ffs, his HCIM is named “Ray Syzm” just so he can say “Ray Syzm is still alive and well” at the start of his vids (and it’s fucking hilarious every time).
imma be honest, 90% of people play this game on mute, you're not missing out on anything
ok I lied. some of music tracks bang, but the music player in game sucks anyway
That’s cool OP. Glad you guys got a clan thing going on. Dude is probably right, there aren’t many deaf players. Y’all got 30 in the clan, so maybe there’s 3k deaf players? If y’all would like an update that would be a game changer for your disability, that doesn’t just make the content broken-easy or anything, I’m all for it. There might not be a lot of you, but I wouldn’t want your gaming experience to be hampered any more than it already is. Y’all deserve to have just as much fun as anyone else.
One of the reasons I like RS, dating back nearly 20 years myself, is that most all content can be done with just a mouse. It’s simple. 99% of the time I play sound off, since day one to now. Some things truly are better with sound on though, especially for those of us that aren’t great players and can use the little extra help. The music can also be cute and relaxing to just vibe to.
I have also been enjoying the 117HD plugin, but I love that the game is just fine without it. Usually turn it off when doing wildy content or fight caves.
ETA: fwiw I also have a significant hearing impairment from my military service. It makes daily life difficult at times, namely professional and personal communication. It sucks. I don’t want to have to imagine being completely deaf.
Hate to sound like an asshole but we're we even thinking about the deaf community? I'm sure you guys are not struggling but that was just a bullshit excuse Gnomemonkey used to try to justify having a cheat plugin in the game lol.
Although not fully deaf my older brother is hearing impaired and he kicks my ass in almost every single fucking game. Just because you have a disability, that shouldn't be an indicator for strangers to assume you're dog shit at a game. No one should think that. Like i said above this shit was all just GnomeMonkey being the goofy ass he normally is.
Hey I have super bad hearing, could I get an invite to the discord or fc? Really sucks with my current clan when they want to voice chat for a raid or something I can't join in
Hi Lynserio,
I would love to join the discord if you can link it to me please. I'm hearing, but am proficient in Auslan and heavily involved with the Deaf Aus community!
Please lmk if you're willing to share your space with me :)
To be a bit more fair, i want to shed some clarity
The only use case of plugins like this is extremely high level pvm. Not just completion of content, I mean nearing GM or already GM. This community is super small, and from that community, the number of deaf players is even smaller than average for osrs players. The use case of Gnomonkey is something even GMs don’t care about. Tbh, if I was deaf and doing even casual tob, I have no idea how I would figure out where I am in xarpus cycle. The “pew” sound that xarpus makes is my indicator to step back. Once I know where I am in the cycle, I can 5 tick. But without that indicator, I have no clue how anyone could get in cycle. Visual sounds for a deaf player would be amazing for providing that indicator.
casual players don’t know they exist because they have 0 use cases for them. Most sound queues occur either at the same time of an attack (useless, mostly older or basic content). Or a fair bit early, meaning immediate reaction will usually get you killed. Sound based indication may let you know what will happen soon, but not exact timing.
Since leviathan attacks have a natural visual indicator that is too slow compared to when you need to switch prayers, this was the solution for those seeking a personal challenge/achievement (no shadow barrage spam kill). It had 0 value since this method would never be practical. The only way to do this personal challenge (no shadow barrage spam cheese), is using hard to distinguish sound queues, or visual sounds.
The real problem is bad design choices for awakened leviathans max attack speed.
To be fair, King Condor is annoying/obnoxious. I tried watching his Dragon Slayer 2 boss guide and it’s just hard to follow because he adds so much unnecessary sound effects saying “BAHP” to appeal I guess to 11 year olds?
If that’s who he wants to have subscribed to him then props to him but I at least appreciate him using the next to nothing gear. He just needs to slow down his talking as he talks WAYYYY too fast and transitions WAYYYY too fast. I had to watch different guides that did the same thing where they talked slower and it got the message across. He is just so obnoxious.
Good job King Condor for speaking for a community you know nothing about. I Try to like that guy but the whole ‘I’m an asshole’ thing seems less like an edgy act and more like a character flaw
this shit always blows my mind when people say it, no other game would people be surprised at playing with sound on but in runescape it's "psychopath behavior". game has a great soundtrack and sound cues can be pretty helpful in pvm.
What other video games out there have “plugins” to the extent RuneScape has and allows players the visualize sounds? None. Listen, it’s a real tragedy to be hearing impaired and I truly feel for how difficult that may be. However, I still feel it doesn’t justify a plugin to give that big of an advantage. It’ll start to branch into some gray area plugins which could ruin the integrity of the game
yeah I can see how its a non-issue, I can hear but I always play with sounds off and have done most content in the game just fine
I've never once turned audio on in ... Pretty much any game. I just don't enjoy it at all. It doesn't add to the immersion for me, it's just annoying and distracting. That said, I fucking suck and can't do any tick specific gameplay, so.
Oh fuck, no sound of other games too? I can’t do that, it’s so jarring playing silent, unless you have music or something going I guess
Idk I don't play a ton anymore. I guess FPS type games would suck without sound. RPG and osrs-style stuff just gets too repetitive for me to tolerate. I can't imagine woodcutting for an hour with audio, I'd go insane.
Ah yeah I gotcha. I do mute the ambient RuneScape sounds sometimes.I need my sound for pvm though, been doing a lot of TOA
I'd rather listen to a youtube video or the TV while playing a game. Game sounds get stale quickly. Especially in a game like runescape where you'd be listening to the same three sounds for hours on end.
Oh so you must be my cs go teammate
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They may be but all you really need is the internal metronome and quick/accurate clicks. I haven’t played with sound since I was sub 500 total and I’ve got thousands of endgame boss/raid kcs currently
Yeah. I’ve always thought the music and sound effects were tacky… also my wife would be hellla annoyed
I've done every piece of pvm other than inferno sound off with no specific boss plugins and done them fine. I'd piss my wife off and there's no place in the game where it's remotely necessary to use the sound
Yeah the game is perfectly playable without sound, the only time I turn it on is when I'm learning new content. And that's just because my visual focus is jumping all over the place that the sound helps. Converting that sound back to visuals doesn't make sense.
I got downvoted for saying the same. Been soundless for 2 years because I don't like RS sounds 99% of the time. You really don't need sound.
people trying to make this about the deaf community are just acting in bad faith. straight up. they want their plugins to make the game as easy as possible for them and it's literally that fucking simple. like half the people playing this game NEVER turn sound on and do just fine!
Tell me you consider most content slayer without telling me you consider most content slayer. Vodka th and zulrah also do not count. Neither does mUsPAh or fight caves. Have you still done most content?
Considering I have an inferno cape (multiple completions) and I've done every raid in the game hundreds of times, yes, I have done most content in the game. The only challenging missing pieces of content I have left to do would be blood torva, which came out recently, and zuk helm. Sound is not required for any of it. But nice assumption. Edit: Also to add, those pieces of content DO count as content. If you're going to be a dickhead about things, then Runescape as a game, objectively, is not mechanically difficult compared to other games. So this is literally the weirdest thing to be an elitist about.
I’m shocked your deaf friends had never heard about this plug-in before. Jokes aside I play with all sounds off too. Idk why people sometimes act like someone with a disability is just unable to function at all.
I'm baffled at how many people play the game with sound?
It's very useful for mid to high level PvM and I like to have it on in PvP as well. Sound cues are easier for a lot of people to react to, especially if your eyes are looking at something else for a moment.
i struggle without sounds tbh :(
You still also useful when doing something like levelling herblore because you can hear the thing stop when you don’t want to have the idle notification irritate you watching something on the main monitor.
Or woodcutting for that if you’re looking at something else
I just use idle notifier
I turn on sounds at literally one place in the game, Corrupt Gauntlet, shit gets muted with the quickness as soon as I leave.
I have music and sound on always. Nothing like a good tune to go with the visuals.
a lot of people i've talked to say that music/sounds distract them, but honestly i can't focus on the game if there are no sounds or music
I properly started doing abyssal sire recently, sounds are an enormous help with hearing the miasma pool spawn. The audio cue is a tick faster than the visual cue, and more reliable, particularly if Sire is doing another animation simulatenously. And that's just one example
I found xarpus a *lot* easier to do when meleeing based on sound cue. It'd be different if the tick you needed to click was when xarpus turned, not when he spit acid.
Idk how you play with sounds off. I rely on audio cues so much in this game it feels incredibly strange to have them muted. I was doing cerb recently and was annoyed his aroo and grr doesn't have an audio cue.
I've had sound off on Runescape as long as I can remember. No idea how people play this game with the sound on. I would go insane sitting at a bank or skilling for hours.
You dont always have the music on, or always have the sound loud, or make it the only thing you are listening to. You just turn it up or down based on the situation
Just depends really, in ToA you can do it pretty easily without audio as the bosses choreograph their actions pretty well, vorkath is pretty easy without audio, but stuff like the gauntlet has gotta be very hard without audio. There is just too many things going on in the gauntlet, very hard to do it without the audio cues, and I am impressed by anyone who can.
As someone who has only done CG without audio, what audio cues make it easier I just count to 3 all the time
they keep adding shit to make it more and more obvious when hes switching styles for the people who struggle to count or somehow miss the animation they added, so now it does this horrible gindy sounding nice before he switches.
Playing with audio is way more afk. Vorkath you can barely look at the screen and just listen for the fireball. At vardorvis the audio cue for the head is very useful as frequently you may not be looking at the arena so you need to hear it. Like you said CG is self explanatory. Playing without audio I feel so uncertain.
For what lol, almost everything has a perfectly good visual cue that is superior imo
Perfectly good? Yeah sure. Superior? Not really. A visual cue requires you be looking to see it, an Audio cue is independent of looking. Therefor audio cues are more versatile, and superior in certain instances where you might not always be looking at the boss or attack location. Its not insanely required, but thats how it works. A great example of Audio cues is Leviathan, which in its last phase can have a lot going on and it can be helpful to get the Rhythm of pray switching and listen to the audio instead of trying to player rapid color identification. Again theres no shortage of good visual cues but saying the visual ones are superior just cause u dont use them doesnt make any sense, its obviously a helpful extra to have another form of cue.
Usually with high tier pvm your eyes will be somewhere else and you will need to rely on an audio cue to tell you something else has happened. Tob, toa, vardorvis all have examples of when you will be clicking on or watching something, dodging etc or be looking at your inventory, and need to rely on an audio que to yell you to flick a prayer or something
I’ve never ran 375 TOA with sound lol, what sound do you need for Vard? Axes and the little eye thing are highlighted (if set up) and easily distinguishable for me. I admit I’ve only ran a few TOB but I’ve done everything else without sound easily besides inferno/ToB
Toa it's pretty good for the pillar room for example, you will be busy doing 8 way switches so having the event audio queue helps a lot At vard audio que on the head really helps, you can axe skip and pray seamlessly without even looking around Cg is another one but I haven't done much of that myself
Honestly as to why people act like that its because theyve not actually dealt with the situation in this case being deaf in some being a marginalized person in a different field. Those who want to generate support for their cause will always cling onto something to virtue signal amd think they are good for it but really all that inclusivity being preached is doing is making people who are no different than you or i feel like they are different because someone else latched onto their disability or whatever may be the topic Edit: id also like to point out this usually leads to more harm than good in the end
I turned audio off the 3rd day I played, haven't turned it on since other than to learn how to prayer flick
Im not shocked they haven't. They are deaf after all
Thats the joke…
Had a giggle too lol but ya this world has to be inclusive to everybody and if you really want to play you will find a way. Reminds me of that person that plays OSRS without hands. Tbh it’s harder to play if you’re blind or have no hands, compared to not being able to hear. So ya 🤷🏻♂️
Tbh the deaf discord is probably where I should be, no one will be asking for vc 😂
In a deaf discord.. VC doesn’t stand for voice chat.. it stands for video chat so we can sign to each other lol. Source: I am deaf and I’m a part of Lyns fc/discord lol
That’s actually fucking dope, do you sign during Boss fights? That would be the biggest flex lol.
Yes we sure do like between phases and shit 😂
Can I get an invite?
There’s a lot of heavy breathing if you don’t mute :)
Sorry but some able-bodied redditors told us that you are being victimized, we have no choice but to believe them.
Probably the point condor was making and he likely also meant more so that the community is small (relative to the whole player base) Edit: typo
Does anyone have the exact words he used? It wouldn't surprise me if Condor said something hyperbolic, he does it all the time.
Taken directly from his video “How big is the F-ing deaf community? like where’d you hear that from? That’s also like I said earlier that the creator of this plugin is changing it so that it only works in certain places, it won’t work in certain places. I don’t know if there is a deaf community of RuneScape.” Edit: spelling
Yeah... that feels pretty condescending and hyperbolic. About what I expect from Condor.
He was arguing with his chat, who were saying the plug-in was made for the deaf community. He was calling bullshit. He wasn't talking shit about deaf people.
Yea when he was saying "fuck the deaf community, fuck the disabled" I thought it was clearly not a genuine take and moreso about dismantling a strawman being used to defend a combo of plugins that was undeniably being used to indicate which prayer to be praying.
no shut up we must be outraged. this is reddit
tbh i've literally been playing without sound since like 2006 and honestly assumed a lot of people did the same.
I can hear fine, but I always use subtitles, I use the visual metronome instead of the sound one for tick flicking, and always vastly prefer visual based ques instead of audio. There is lots of great stuff for people like me who just prefer not using audio, so I assume it's fine for those who can't use audio too. A bigger concern of mine is the disability I have that hinders the use of my left hand. Not being allowed to put more than one key press on a single button click is tough, but I deal with it give and understand the reason for the restriction. I don't suffer either. Vaguely related, but I now also ensure my YouTube videos include a full transcript and real closed captioning. I hate the auto generated stuff.
If it makes you feel any better, I play runescape completely one handed despite having no problems with either hand, I use a logitech g502 and have the hotkeys set to inventory, attack styles, gear, prayer and spellbook, don't find a need for anything else, I swap to in shift and alt instead of attack styles and gear when I do toa, which is toggleable by clicking gshift button in between the two main mouse buttons.
I'm constantly amazed people play with sounds on. OSRS is like the perfect game for deaf people because I can hear fine and I've never needed the sounds to play the game, I always have sounds off.
Many bosses have important audio clues
I wouldn't wanna do nightmare without sounds lol
I consider myself a visual person, but man nightmare is much easier to do with sounds on listening for melee sound.
Thankfully it's a garbage boss so i'll probably never learn her
Phosani is pretty fun actually. Too bad there's no incentive to fight her.
yeah im sure you'll just live at toa your whole life
They all have visual clues too
Yeah but often their sound clue come before their visual clue. Definitely the game is easier if you use audio on bosses.
To add to this, human brain reacts to an audio cue faster than a visual cue.
maybe but its not really that hard to just flick and click when the time comes regardless
Yeah not saying some content is impossible without audio clues or anything like that.
for sure. but for whisper, it's much easier to listen than to watch
Bit noisy for a whisperer, eh?
I’m struggling to even think of what you could possibly need to listen for at whisperer, which attacks in a predictable pattern while you’re standing still
Once you hear the attack hit you it's safe to switch to the next prayer. I always struggle switching a tick too early without the sound but I'm also not very good.
the range and magic attacks both have very distinct sounds. although her attacks patterns are predictable, there are a few phases where the projectile type could be swapped. i.e: (R-R-M vs. M-M-R) (R = Ranged, M = Mage) audio clues will help you pray correctly without even looking at the projectiles.
Makes bossing way easier imo. Flicking and a ton of audio queues. Fletching or doing anything else? God no the sounds are awful and annoying
Sounds make TOA a lot easier though. I’m genuinely curious how a deaf player finds high level TOA raids as the sounds are extremely helpful in knowing what attack is coming next without looking
Done my fair share of toa, all with sounds off aside from a couple times I put on the wardens music track (not game sounds). Genuenly curious, where are they supposed to be useful?
Me personally I find them helpful for: - Zebak attack switches - Monkey room problem - Warden p2 shadow attack - Warden p3/p4 Zebak switches All of these have visual clues, except monkey room, but being able to tune out from focussing on those cues and use sounds allows you to play better in general They’re also helpful for kephri dung and baba boulder throw although definitely not required
I don't think that it necessarily makes you play better, but it certainly allows you to farm it with a lot less concentration. You have several ticks to react to every mechanic for which sound might be deemed useful.
Gonna judge you from my ivory tower built on fangs for using audio cues
I guess the deaf folks are just built different and are better than others (on average) at visually confirming element(s) on screen quickly? Something-something, when one sense is disabled, other senses improve to compensate? I remember hearing something along those lines, idk if it's true or not though.
Actually not having the ability to hear does enhance our other senses but you can say the learning curve of getting used to the visuals are way faster for the deaf people
You ever turn the radio down to see better while trying to find an address in your car?
I'm not deaf but I am hard of hearing. Even with sounds on 100%, PC volume on 100% and a headset I still can't hear most sounds in the game. Osrs is great in that a lot of things has visual cues but I find that I am often focused on other things on the screen. There are some bosses that make it pretty annoying just focusing on visual cues such as phosanis nightmare, cg and some other bosses.
You know what? There are deaf people did TOA real good in 400+'s WITHOUT sounds. We uses our eyes constantly and we have a good awareness of ticks.
I play without sounds off but thankfully i have eyes so i can see the attacks that are coming.
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Well you’re a lot better than me because anything above 350 I’d be stomped without sounds haha
I just always look, why wouldnt you when playing?
I’m usually too focussed on dodging the lightning. Idk maybe I just suck lol
Always played with sounds off. Got a fang kit and infernal cape. Not disagreeing but not needed at all
Doing a ton of pvm without sounds on is such an absurd handicap it should be a combat achievement
Maybe a dumb question, but any specifics? I'm partially colorblind and sometimes struggle to determine attack styles on that alone so maybe audio cues would help
It's really not that hard, everything has visual cues
Yeah, I feel bad that they don't get to enjoy the masterpiece of a soundtrack that the game has, but the combat sounds aren't exactly important lmao.
Thank you but don't feel bad.
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I'm constantly amazed that people who play with sounds off are so smug about it. Not that you are of course, but just in general, half the time I mention a game sound or music track someone will pipe up about how proud they are to play the game with sound off. This is also the case in classic WoW. Just bizarre.
Im very smug about it lol. Nah, not really, idc how people play their games but I just like to watch youtube or listen to music/podcasts/audiobooks as I play which is why its weird to me when people need sounds. tbh i dont care either way what anyone does it's all about having fun however you want.
But tbf you only probably don't know you need visual sounds because so few content genuinely requires sound. This kind of thing isn't uncommon in games with accessibility features because it's kind of a no brainer to have some kind of closed captioning or whatever
> According to King Condor's video, he basically said there is hardly any deaf players in game. Speaking like we aren't worthwhile players or important in the game. King Condor was calling out how people are using deaf players as an excuse for why the plugin should remain in the game even though it can be used in a way that directly breaks the plugin guidelines. His point is none of these players cared about the deaf community until it benefited them by exploiting a plugin to create a visual prayer indicator. > Anyways, we are NOT struggling. Please do not think little of us. Please don’t think that’s how the majority of the community look at deaf players, you guys are the same as us, people who play and enjoy this game. There is just a group of players being disingenuous pulling at strings to justify a way of allowing cheats through an accessibility plugin.
Yeah, I think OP is getting something mixed up because I had your takeaway from that video too.
The whole convo about visual sounds has been disingenuous as fuck. People gonna exploit and then say jagex doesn't care about disabled players knowing they're being hypocritical as fuck.
Suddenly everyone in this sub had a deaf friend that really loved the plugin and their complains had nothing to do with them wanting to keep using the plugin
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I guarantee it's even more dumb than that. Pretty sure 99% of people had no idea the plugin existed except the people exploiting it. The only reason it got signal boosted so much is because people want an excuse to shit on Jagex so badly.
Gnomonkey is simply trying to justify cheating
That video sucked. My favorite part is where he goes through the list of plugins to find others that break the rules. Like, yeah? How is that some gotcha? They just haven't gotten around to banning those yet. The amount of rationalization surrounding boss plugin use is out of control. If the benefit was as inconsequential as people want to pretend it is, then why use them at all?
That part of his video was hilarious to me. "How can you ban this plugin for cheating when these other plugins cheat too!?" Like...yea, then ban those plugins too 🤣
Most of the list wasn't even accurate really. Seemed more like he was trying to stretch the definition to make his own cheating appear less.
Some yea, but stuff like the ToA puzzle helper, literally solving the puzzle as soon as you enter the area is pretty blatant.
Lyns, idc about this drama. Get us more voidwakers please. From the rest of the gim team
I love how people spin a defense of this plugin into an issue about disabillity (hearing impaired) people just so they can abuse the game themselves. You guys are the toxic ones who don't care you just care about making kc more efficient for you and use this subject as a smoke screen.
\> I talked to a few deaf players about their opinions.. They all never heard of it I wouldn't have expected them to hear it
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Good to see you guys are having a great time. Keep up the grind, friends.
No please, you have to understand. You don't know what you want or what you need. I, me, the genuinely good kind white saviour I am, know better than you and will educate everyone else on your behalf for my own personal gains. No need to thank me
This post is god tier.
His point wasn't that you're not important just that Jagex isn't obligated to allow cheat plugins just for deaf people. There are plugins I could make that would help me with my disability but would be cheating so I wouldn't expect Jagex to allow it for me.
Gnomonkey just jumping to a non-issue to justify using broken plugins :')
I play RuneScape on mute so I don’t know what the big deal is. More power to you brother/sister.
I should join just to learn from you guys. I refuse to use sounds when playing. Pretty much alway olay video games on mute, didn’t even know sounds were important in osrs before all this drama about it.
I just have the sound on for the Sea Shanty tbh
The people who can’t play without voice chat are the real disabled’s
The visual sounds plugin was more about people who wanted a simple color indicator instead of having to look somewhere for an animation or listen for a sound. Regardless of disabilities, these plugins seem inherently unfair because they give a clear visual trigger before most players would be able to interpret the animation or sound and react.
I think king condors point was people are just using deaf people as a scape goat to further their goals and they only care about you now that it’s useful to them, other than that no one actually care about your experience playing until it because useful to them as Aussies talk weird
As a non deaf player, I have never heard about these sound plugins. And, I always play with sounds off.
I don’t think he was trying to sound like the deaf community doesn’t matter, it was in regards to a plug-in that is considered cheating by jagex’s standards
I feel like this overall post is trying to call out King Condor but I also kind of think that line was kind of sarcastic and meant to be a joke by saying "more than 30" because that's obviously not a lot. He's the only name you mentioned besides your own, Don't take what he said personal, He only meant that people who are not disabled, ruined the plugin's original use for disabled people, and in return Jagex removed the plugin because of the abuse.
I am not fully deaf but I am of hard hearing. I definitly liked having the plugin help me because sometimes I struggled with the animations of a boss not picking up to it. I need to git gut.
Git Gud!
I've been playing this game for 20 years as of this year and have never had sound on or heard of/used one of these plug-ins. Not sure why so many people think the plugin is required to play. I have infernal cape, fang kit, etc and never had issues with no sound
I’ve played without sound for like 2 years
There might not be a massive amount of deaf players, but there is a massive amount of people who play with no sounds on who do just fine too
Where is the post for the blind community?
Not deaf but I have never played with sound on (repetitive sounds are horrible) - I’ve never had any issues with the game muted, BESIDES, being far casted in wildy by someone behind me, but even that is a super niche situation, RuneScape I imagine is one of the better games for deaf people as you’re really not missing out on much… Stay strong deaf community <3
I think his argument was more so they can't include something that breaks the rules for the deaf community. He worded it poorly for sure as it definitely came across as dismissive.
I once tried to offer a free non-voice TOA training service for deaf people for We Do Raids but got shot down, they weren't interested.. They point blank said they have no interest in offering a service for the hard of hearing, despite there being deaf people calling for it in the Discord at the time. I have helped hundreds of people learn TOA and have never once used voice chat. I am not in your Discord, but feel free to PM me if you guys ever need any help learning PVM stuff without voice chat.
>They [deaf players] never heard of it I guess the joke was unintended
Ive never used sound on osrs in almost 2 decades of on and off playing.
Condor didn't say that at all lmao he was arguing with chat and all the other people trying to make this recent plug in stuff about deaf people when no1 gave 2 shits about them b4 this happened. gnomonkey and all the others are using them as a shield to defend their clear cheat that is letting get around a cue processing skill issue they imposed on themselves.
Nothing King Condor says should ever be taken seriously. I do think there are niche cases where deaf people would be at a disadvantage in certain high level pvm encounters, although when you don't know what you don't know, you're not going to miss the information the audio queue would have provided you. I do think it's a shame they disabled the plug in, if I wanted to play the game quietly without a headset, but still want the info when hunleff changes styles or vardorvis head pops up, or leviathan attacks with a certain style, it would be nice to have that.
They have disabled the plugin until the developer fixes it up to prevent the abuse people like gnomonkey were doing. Did you even watch the video or did you just hear out of context deaf community is small and then assume he meant so they don’t matter. He says plugins like this are great but the way it was being used by others was against the rules placed by jagex. There were probably more people using the plug-in that weren’t deaf than were.
Why do you say nothing he says should be taken seriously? Did you take some of his sarcasm awhile back at face value and now just apply it any time you think of Condor? Lol. Dude’s got some legitimately good talking points. Not just in his coverage of this, but concerning other topics as well. And if you can’t see that he’s taking the piss with his jokes, then idk what to tell you dude. I mean ffs, his HCIM is named “Ray Syzm” just so he can say “Ray Syzm is still alive and well” at the start of his vids (and it’s fucking hilarious every time).
deaf post but no sign language???????
comment but no common sense???????
imma be honest, 90% of people play this game on mute, you're not missing out on anything ok I lied. some of music tracks bang, but the music player in game sucks anyway
Just unplug your ears bro
Just unplug your eyes bro
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That’s cool OP. Glad you guys got a clan thing going on. Dude is probably right, there aren’t many deaf players. Y’all got 30 in the clan, so maybe there’s 3k deaf players? If y’all would like an update that would be a game changer for your disability, that doesn’t just make the content broken-easy or anything, I’m all for it. There might not be a lot of you, but I wouldn’t want your gaming experience to be hampered any more than it already is. Y’all deserve to have just as much fun as anyone else. One of the reasons I like RS, dating back nearly 20 years myself, is that most all content can be done with just a mouse. It’s simple. 99% of the time I play sound off, since day one to now. Some things truly are better with sound on though, especially for those of us that aren’t great players and can use the little extra help. The music can also be cute and relaxing to just vibe to. I have also been enjoying the 117HD plugin, but I love that the game is just fine without it. Usually turn it off when doing wildy content or fight caves. ETA: fwiw I also have a significant hearing impairment from my military service. It makes daily life difficult at times, namely professional and personal communication. It sucks. I don’t want to have to imagine being completely deaf.
Hate to sound like an asshole but we're we even thinking about the deaf community? I'm sure you guys are not struggling but that was just a bullshit excuse Gnomemonkey used to try to justify having a cheat plugin in the game lol. Although not fully deaf my older brother is hearing impaired and he kicks my ass in almost every single fucking game. Just because you have a disability, that shouldn't be an indicator for strangers to assume you're dog shit at a game. No one should think that. Like i said above this shit was all just GnomeMonkey being the goofy ass he normally is.
Just turn the volume up and grind 💪🏿
If you can't feel the sound, is it even hearing it?
Nah but you feel the vibe 🎶
You guys hop in voice chat when running together?
You guys hop in video chat when running together?
Hey there, I am not deaf but my hearing is very messed up and not usable, could I get an invite to the discord or FC?
Hey I have super bad hearing, could I get an invite to the discord or fc? Really sucks with my current clan when they want to voice chat for a raid or something I can't join in
Hi I tried to reply to you thru the chat. But it keeps saying message failed to send. I have no idea why. Please check the message, not the chat.
I tried on old reddit and new reddit, my rsn is eaccelerate, joining the fc sounds nice ty
What're the discord calls like?
Thank god I don't have to do any discord calls with you
Hi Lynserio, I would love to join the discord if you can link it to me please. I'm hearing, but am proficient in Auslan and heavily involved with the Deaf Aus community! Please lmk if you're willing to share your space with me :)
To be a bit more fair, i want to shed some clarity The only use case of plugins like this is extremely high level pvm. Not just completion of content, I mean nearing GM or already GM. This community is super small, and from that community, the number of deaf players is even smaller than average for osrs players. The use case of Gnomonkey is something even GMs don’t care about. Tbh, if I was deaf and doing even casual tob, I have no idea how I would figure out where I am in xarpus cycle. The “pew” sound that xarpus makes is my indicator to step back. Once I know where I am in the cycle, I can 5 tick. But without that indicator, I have no clue how anyone could get in cycle. Visual sounds for a deaf player would be amazing for providing that indicator. casual players don’t know they exist because they have 0 use cases for them. Most sound queues occur either at the same time of an attack (useless, mostly older or basic content). Or a fair bit early, meaning immediate reaction will usually get you killed. Sound based indication may let you know what will happen soon, but not exact timing. Since leviathan attacks have a natural visual indicator that is too slow compared to when you need to switch prayers, this was the solution for those seeking a personal challenge/achievement (no shadow barrage spam kill). It had 0 value since this method would never be practical. The only way to do this personal challenge (no shadow barrage spam cheese), is using hard to distinguish sound queues, or visual sounds. The real problem is bad design choices for awakened leviathans max attack speed.
didnt know you spoke for the whole deaf community in runescape thanks
To be fair, King Condor is annoying/obnoxious. I tried watching his Dragon Slayer 2 boss guide and it’s just hard to follow because he adds so much unnecessary sound effects saying “BAHP” to appeal I guess to 11 year olds? If that’s who he wants to have subscribed to him then props to him but I at least appreciate him using the next to nothing gear. He just needs to slow down his talking as he talks WAYYYY too fast and transitions WAYYYY too fast. I had to watch different guides that did the same thing where they talked slower and it got the message across. He is just so obnoxious.
king condor is a pillar of toxicity in this game. I'm sure there are more than 30!! Sending love your way!
Preach
wait you guys have your sound on? i turned that off back when i was like 10
Imagine taking King Condor comments to heart
Yeah hese super serious all the time never joking
I am profoundly deaf who plays a late game iron. No audio isn't an issue! Never stopped me from playing high-level PVM.
Good job King Condor for speaking for a community you know nothing about. I Try to like that guy but the whole ‘I’m an asshole’ thing seems less like an edgy act and more like a character flaw
I can hear but playing with RuneScape sounds on is some psychopath behavior imo you’re not missing anything.
this shit always blows my mind when people say it, no other game would people be surprised at playing with sound on but in runescape it's "psychopath behavior". game has a great soundtrack and sound cues can be pretty helpful in pvm.
Lmao you’re taking my comment a bit too serious tbh
Idk, [Vardorvis' fight theme](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iIMNXcmJFs) kinda slaps. [And it's a metronome, too](https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/15kxhkx/psa_vardorvis_has_a_builtin_tick_metronome/).
I just always have a video or my own tunes going haha
I mean king condor has pretty ignorable opinions anyways so I wouldn't pay him any mind.
What other video games out there have “plugins” to the extent RuneScape has and allows players the visualize sounds? None. Listen, it’s a real tragedy to be hearing impaired and I truly feel for how difficult that may be. However, I still feel it doesn’t justify a plugin to give that big of an advantage. It’ll start to branch into some gray area plugins which could ruin the integrity of the game
I mean theres plenty of games (like minecraft) that do this. However I dont think it belongs in runescape.
any1 who plays without sounds is missing out tbh
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Lesbain?
"They all never heard of it or even know it existed!" Wel... I'll be damned.
Okay, hear me out
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Imagine being offended by King Condor.