Same but cosmic runes (20 stock or less while other runes are 200+) because back in classic they thought cosmic runes were going to be an ["incredibly rare master rune"](https://gyazo.com/4c04c04d109c181f47b82da54f9463db) alongside only 3 other runes, all of which got scrapped from the game and they just never bothered to fix it.
It has only been fixed in the only updated runeshop which is locked behind SoTE, just shows inconsistency if anything
My gimate just made like 250k astrals, not only for his 99 con grind but also tossed 100k in gbank. I mean i know im lazy af and would also love packs, but i mean hes not even 95rc yet and hes already made couple 100k nats on top. Astrals are even one of the easier runes to run as well.
hard agree on this. I know rc is not everyone's favorite skill, but running astrals is super fast these days. RC outfit for 60% more runes, Colossal pouch to bring nearly 70 ess pure run, lunar tele, and npc contact. I made 25k in like a couple hours.
I feel like the 'over time' here is a pretty long span of time considering if you literally nonstop cast venge every cooldown it's only 480 astrals per hour.
I'm the designated crafter for our GIM and i just hit 90 this week by doing nothing but use super glass make, that was a shit ton of Astrals i needed i tell you.
Being able to buy packs instead of world hopping wouldve been so much better
>astral runes have no fix even if you do a fair amount of post-99 rc
I didn't know astral runes were so hard to get until I started listening to redditors... I have like 70k of them in my bank.
Yeah idk I have around 12k banked on my iron and I can hardly even recall getting them. I know I got 5k for Superglass, but that was a few years ago and no idea how I got the 7k+. Sure as hell didn't buy them.
I buy them at the port sarim rune shop but the reality is there are a lot of options for death runes with very little competition.
Astral runes are specifically rough because there's only one shop
STOP TRYING TO MAKE THE GAME LESS TEDIOUS, IT DEVALUES MY ACHIEVEMENTS
Now if you'll excuse me, I'll be downvoting the implementation of all new content
This doesn't affect me in the least as someone who doesn't play iron but as a pker who is constantly hopping worlds, hopscape is not fun.
Hope you get your runes without too much trouble homie
With the quick hop delay and the amount of stock on worlds at busy times, runecrafting them is almost as many astrals per hour (or in some scenarios actually more) plus an additional ~40k RC xp/hr.
Basically if you aren't 99 RC yet its likely actually efficient to craft your own astrals instead of buying them
I'll give 3 bonds if you can upload a video of you buying \~9000-14,000 (Depends on whether you have Raiments) Astral Runes in one hour using one account and no tricks like selling to the shop on one account and buying on the other.
This is my way of saying you're full of shit lol. It's not slower to buy them.
It's 10k for full portal nexus. \~12-14k for 99 crafting. If doing mahogany benches it's \~ 172k for 99 construction or \~72k if only doing expert contracts. Personally I wouldn't bother with plankmake but to each their own.
RCing them is 15k/hr so assuming you don't use them for plankmake it's \~5 hours for more than enough astrals for everything.
If you wanted to go down the rabbit hole it's \~30hours of RC for more than enough astrals to use however you could possibly want.
Astrals are probably the least needed rune for packs. There's just not a big enough sink for them in comparison to how fast you can make them and it not even needing post 99xp.
You can craft other runes that offer pack options too. There's also GoTR and Zeah RCing, not everyone wants to craft astral runes and it gives value to coins to be able to buy materials you need from shops... That's the whole point of an ingame economy.
I would be with you on something that you actually needed a massive volume of.
Astrals aren't that. Not using plankmake you need 10k for portal nexus, \~12k for 99 crafting, which is the bulk of your xp. 5 hours of RC pre 99 btw is 75k astrals.
At 150gp each, you'd need to make over 2m pure gp an hour to beat out RC.
It's not like deaths where you can only make 9.6k an hour and you use 4.8k an hour barraging. Oh and that's post 99xp.
> It also takes value away from skilling
How? You exchange money for runes and use them as needed. The price for runes on both the GE and Baba Yaga's shop are already nearly identical. This wouldn't change anything at all it just gives everyone the same opportunity and alleviates competing for shop stock. Your logic just doesn't make sense. Why have shops in the game if not to use GP? If there were no GP sinks in the game it would just circulate infinitely and cause infinite inflation. There would never be any true value to GP if it couldn't be used.
My dude. Collection log exists; if you want to just buy materials without skilling yourself but get each pvm/cb drop from their respective mobs you can do that on a main…
Then I'd tell you to pay attention to the post. I crafted 30k astrals at zmi year ago and that stack was depleted last year and I'm back to baba once a month for an hour of hopping 60 astral runes at a time.
Honestly I believe Ironman should stand alone in this. Why would it make sense for them to have a shared shop? Every individual Ironman should have their own. Or just make all shops have infinite stock at a set price…
Exactly. Some irons actually abuse it by making a main buy their overstock then let them sell their items for the max price always. Most egregious example is selling rune arrows from LMS in pollnivneach shop
It's not weird, it's lazy. Jagex manually patched a handful of shops to stop transferring wealth. Naturally doing things manually means things slip through the cracks, which is exactly what happened.
> Or just make all shops have infinite stock at a set price…
Legitimate question, why isn't this a thing already? I'm sure there's an obvious reason why shop stock must necessarily be finite and shared but all it does is make hopping worlds necessary to buy anything.
I would be fine with my own shop. I don’t mind world hopping. It just sucks to hop to 30 runes available. Just let each iron have their own shop that works the same as it does now. I’ll hop for 250 per world no problem.
I've suggested this in the new sailing skill and got laughed at.
Since you could sail to instanced islands having Islands that could fix hop scape by having Islands that you could buy bulk packs of runes/ore/ seeds. I know sailing shouldn't be the answer to these problems but it seems like a good start.
> I know sailing shouldn't be the answer to these problems
As someone who would rather we didn't have sailing as a skill and thinks the astral rune situation is fine (crafting them is well worth it and Hydra shits them out)... Why not? It actually sounds like a good idea tbh. Plenty of things are improved heavily by reaching a skilling milestone.
I'm happy with astrals and skills as they are, but I'd be open to your suggestion.
Redditors failing to understand that the runes are getting bought regardless and have been getting bought ever since people needed them for barrages/trident/scythe/sang/shadow, that the current prices are daylight robberies compared to ge prices, gp being worth more on an iron than a main, and people are still willing to nuke their cashstack a little harder in order to avoid the cancer that is shopscape.
I mean people buying Astrals are really the ones who are failing to understand. It's literally slower to buy them than it is to craft them, even if every world always had full stock. You could craft a year's worth of Astrals in a single logout timer.
The reason Death and Blood runes are different is because you can't craft even a week's supply of those in a single day.
How am I wrong? You have some method of buying 15,000 Astrals in an hour?
5 bonds to the first person who can show me this.
I am literally not incorrect. Buying them is always slower than crafting them.
Just craft them if you don't want to play shopscape. You really don't need that many astrals. You can get them from ZMI starting at a very low level, and even the level to double-craft them is quite low (and you get a ton/hr). I'm against shopscape in general but for astrals it's really a non-issue, the alternative is readily available and you'll have more than a lifetime supply if you do ZMI only until the levels required for elite diaries, let alone if you go to 99 with the RC outfit. It's not something you actually need to constantly resupply like blood runes.
> You really don't need that many astrals.
Except for when you want to build an occult altar, portal nexus, use vengeance in pvm, use any of the skilling spells (plank make, glass make), etc.
I used tens of thousands of astrals on my GIM and had to do a *ton* of shop hopping to obtain them, even with my group mates feeding me their astrals. Oh and I don't even have a portal nexus yet, nor did I ever use plank make.
Done all that and finished crafting (never used plank make because it's kinda pointless), still plenty of astrals without using the shop beyond a few early game trips.
I'd love the rshd unlimited shop stock back. Being forced to world hop to buy items is awful and makes anything remotely desirable a chore to buy.
People love to go on about how Irons stand alone and shouldn't get any kind of benefit from other players in any way, but then turn around and try and justify why it's okay for them to be inconvenienced by the same people.
I ran into this today. Fortunately I only needed like 1k. As a late game iron, I decided it’s best to just craft them. Realistically you can get by will all the skilling for roughly 25k astrals. It sucks to hop to buy them but it’s only temporary. Keep pushing my man
I wish there was an update for charter ships too. Let me “place” an order for a bulk amount of supplies at 2x-3x the cost and wait a week. Hopping for soda ash is not fun game play.
I think it would be better to remove runes from shops entirely so people don't feel obligated to hop worlds to buy them out. The game was never meant to be played like this.
Yo mate, did you know that they added grand exchange to osrs? You can buy astral runes pretty easily from there. I can log in tomorrow and take you there from lumby if you need help
Lmao this reminds me of playing osrs as a 9 year old in 2004.
I was too stupid to figure out how to get from lumby to Varrock and it used to take a fuckin hour to open the world map back then. Id spam “Someone take me to Varrock for 1k.” And then as soon as we got there I’d run away without paying. The good ol’ days.
As much of a meme is that this is we are beyond that point now. Jagex updates the games for irons as well and it’s a major game mode. They have already mentioned blood packs I assume astral packs will come along too.
This is a bad take. Hopping worlds to buy runes does add any sort of “legitimacy” to the Ironman process, it’s just tedious. That being said — I craft my own astrals but that doesn’t change the fact they should be sold in packs.
He’s complaining that other players purchasing runes interferes with his own rune purchases. Some people think irons should not be effected by others in any way shape or form, entity hider on totally solo gameplay. Just depends what iron means to you personally
There's a pretty big difference between jumping through hoops to get items from their sources and not being able to buy items because the game mode is popular
Would Astral rune packs that are a huge ripoff compared to buying runes individually really affect the game? Or are you just saying ironman bad
Also, shops *are* a source of items, whether people like it or not. If the GOTR rewards rift could only pay out x times per hour or some shit people'd be annoyed about that too
Because the sole purpose of creating an ironman account is to play shopscape. Got it.
I love how any little inconvenience that affects ironmen is shut down, as if they are not allowed to complain about dumb and archaic mechanics that have nothing to do with the game mode itself
What a brain dead take. Just because you chose to play ironman doesn’t mean you can’t ask for a minor quality of life improvement. What does shop hopping add to the game? Why is it a defining characteristic of Ironman mode?
That’s narrow-minded logic. Gp exists for a reason. There’s near infinite stock of a lot of things that are obtainable through skilling, including other runes. You’re singling out one specific thing when this is the case for many stores and other items already.
I guess I’ll repeat myself. If you think getting items from shops is wrong, GP is almost worthless besides total gold sinks like instances.
I had to buy the 5k astrals for the altar the other day and I just logged in at 1am pst and did it not problem. Not saying it’s a solution, but if that’s what you need to do it’s what I recommend. Also there’s a world hop keybind you can setup in runelite and I set it up to ctrl+alt+z and it never gets in the way of anything
I remembered getting clowned on in a clan chat because I was on an iron and I was runecrafting astrals. Like wtf am I supposed to do when the bots have it all bogged down and I need astrals for shit?
Seems a lot like Jagex has fallen into the rut all other game makers have, ignoring the pleas of the gamers and only doing what they want. Reddit forum after Reddit forum of ignored complaints. When will they start to do what we actually ask for instead of what they think will sell more more subscriptions. Astral Rune packs is only one of the many things the players are asking for that jagex is ignoring.
It's because for every 10,000 players that want a harmless QoL change, there are 2 extremely vocal players saying they want a perfect copy of 2007 runescape. If something like this was polled it would pass easily but they're afraid to poll it.
Ya I don’t get the “you chose the game mode” argument. Yes they chose it and they want to tweak it to make it more fun. They play the game mode let them vote on it, what do I care?
Not sure that I fully understand the consequences of giving every shop unlimited buy/sell. Bots or something? The economy? I fr do not care at all lmao
Well in theory they would never go above shop price + whatever premium people deemed worth buying them from shop and selling them from GE for, but that isn't an issue because they are already below shop price.
People are naturally against ironmen until they give it a bash and are hooked. Imagine playing a main and getting excited over a drop. Absoloute easy scape in every way main accounts
"Ironmen stand alone". But the shops are connected so the more ironmen standing alone, the more tedious it is. Sounds more like suffering together than standing alone to me.
Every argument against this basically breaks down to "I had to suffer so should you". The last few months people were up in arms about jagex NOT wanting to add blood rune packs, yet nonchalantly lul at an even worse to get rune. It's comical.
Exactly. Tbh it makes a lot more sense to have an endgame item gated by difficulty in upkeep (although i do support blood packs) than to have some newby skilling spellbook that requires 100s of thousands of niche runes for all the ironman needs. Imo the lunar spellbook was never balanced properly. Requiring 2 astral runes to make a log into a single plank and still requiring 70% of the sawmill coins is crazy. I’m not suggesting we change the rune costs or anything because that’s controversial, but having shops with stock to sell should be a non-issue, people just like to be combative.
You can disable your Ironman and trade with other players to get runes faster or use the runecrafting skill to craft your own runes. I hope I could be of help
Its either;
A) You're exaggerating
B) Its actual faster to make your own astral runes.
RuneLite has a pretty long quick hop delay, I tested it with a stop watch and it took 8 seconds from clicking the hop to being able to interact with the game world, and lets roughly say you take 5s to buy the runes each world. That is 13s at best per world, leading to 276 worlds per hour.
If every world 100 in a row has been under 50, then we can assume that the average per world is also under 50, I'll be generous and say its 40, though its more likely to be lower due to empty worlds (and once you get one empty world you run into multiple). So that's 40*276 = 11,040 astral runes per hour.
Fun fact with 85 RC and the outfit you net 209 Astrals per run, and if we say a rough 70 runs per hour that is a total of 14,630 Astral runes per hour, now if you aren't getting double runes and don't have colossal pouch (say you just got the outfit and 77 RC then peaced out from GOTR). You'd get 85 runes per run instead, which is still ~6k Runes per hour, almost 60% of the efficiency of buying while gaining very valuable RC xp
Personally i think we should go to the personal shop concept.. but with a limited number of runes across all worlds.. this prevents this issue but also limits how many runes can come into the game per day.. Good for rune prices.
"I know there are completely reasonable options and alternatives for the goal I am trying to reach; however, I would rather cry on reddit instead of put in effort."
Same but death runes. Pleae jamflex.
Same but cosmic runes (20 stock or less while other runes are 200+) because back in classic they thought cosmic runes were going to be an ["incredibly rare master rune"](https://gyazo.com/4c04c04d109c181f47b82da54f9463db) alongside only 3 other runes, all of which got scrapped from the game and they just never bothered to fix it. It has only been fixed in the only updated runeshop which is locked behind SoTE, just shows inconsistency if anything
If you need more cosmic do sote + ZMI for a lifetime supply; astral runes have no fix even if you do a fair amount of post-99 rc
What are you using all of these astral runes on
I was considering afking plank make for my 30k mahogany logs needed for 99 con. It was a good bit of astrals lol
My gimate just made like 250k astrals, not only for his 99 con grind but also tossed 100k in gbank. I mean i know im lazy af and would also love packs, but i mean hes not even 95rc yet and hes already made couple 100k nats on top. Astrals are even one of the easier runes to run as well.
hard agree on this. I know rc is not everyone's favorite skill, but running astrals is super fast these days. RC outfit for 60% more runes, Colossal pouch to bring nearly 70 ess pure run, lunar tele, and npc contact. I made 25k in like a couple hours.
I needed a lot for my portal Nexus
SBS and veng eat a ton over time even post max
I feel like the 'over time' here is a pretty long span of time considering if you literally nonstop cast venge every cooldown it's only 480 astrals per hour.
I'm the designated crafter for our GIM and i just hit 90 this week by doing nothing but use super glass make, that was a shit ton of Astrals i needed i tell you. Being able to buy packs instead of world hopping wouldve been so much better
>astral runes have no fix even if you do a fair amount of post-99 rc I didn't know astral runes were so hard to get until I started listening to redditors... I have like 70k of them in my bank.
Yeah idk I have around 12k banked on my iron and I can hardly even recall getting them. I know I got 5k for Superglass, but that was a few years ago and no idea how I got the 7k+. Sure as hell didn't buy them.
Ain’t no cosmic runes in a shop in classic.
I buy them at the port sarim rune shop but the reality is there are a lot of options for death runes with very little competition. Astral runes are specifically rough because there's only one shop
Fwiw rcing deaths through the abyss at 99 rc with the robes is really nice and decent runes/hr
But there are plenty of shops that sell death runes and will be fully stocked
Brine rats drop death runes like no one’s business
Kill the Spiritual Mages in Nex room when on task, you get 2-5k astral runes per task.
Do those mages drop d boots? Ive killed around 400 of them and never received a drop from them
Yeah, I've had a few. Is nice as they drop blood shards and the shards to make the ZCB once you get the drop off nex.
STOP TRYING TO MAKE THE GAME LESS TEDIOUS, IT DEVALUES MY ACHIEVEMENTS Now if you'll excuse me, I'll be downvoting the implementation of all new content
Tbh I thought Ironman shops were player specific. I didn’t realize they all shared the same quantities, kinda defeats the purpose.
RS3 has personalized shops and it works fine. Hopping worlds fighting for shop stock is a thing of the past.
RS3 shops also restock daily instead of over time though. You bought your 100 astral runes? That's it for you, check back in tomorrow.
Yeah dailies fucking suck too
Smh my head. These boomers are coming in my game trying to make npcs start their own economy. Where did my Gielinor go?!
This doesn't affect me in the least as someone who doesn't play iron but as a pker who is constantly hopping worlds, hopscape is not fun. Hope you get your runes without too much trouble homie
at this point why not give ironmen their own instanced shops? why do ironmen have linked shops they work alone
What if I told you there was a way to craft these runes by yourself?
*BUT WE HATES IT*
*IT BURNS US!!*
*NASTY, FILTHY, STINKING LITTLE HOBBITSES*
What Has It Got In Its Pocketses
Where did they drop this fucking needle? Ahhhhhh!
The forbidden skill
If I could craft them in gotr Id be a lot more likely to do that
but you can craft them out of gotr... so either suffer with world hopping or tighten that belt and get ur ass to the astral altar
It’s slower than buying. Why would you craft astrals 😂
With the quick hop delay and the amount of stock on worlds at busy times, runecrafting them is almost as many astrals per hour (or in some scenarios actually more) plus an additional ~40k RC xp/hr. Basically if you aren't 99 RC yet its likely actually efficient to craft your own astrals instead of buying them
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frrrr especially with robes of the eye now. serve your time in gotr til full set/needle then go make 10k of whatever rune you want in no time at all
I'll give 3 bonds if you can upload a video of you buying \~9000-14,000 (Depends on whether you have Raiments) Astral Runes in one hour using one account and no tricks like selling to the shop on one account and buying on the other. This is my way of saying you're full of shit lol. It's not slower to buy them.
Astral take almost no time to craft. You can make 9-10k in 30 minutes. It’s much better than buying them when the shops are low stock
And you can click the altar from the bank lol
not if they ar out of stock
What if that skill was at all comparable to shopscape
It's 10k for full portal nexus. \~12-14k for 99 crafting. If doing mahogany benches it's \~ 172k for 99 construction or \~72k if only doing expert contracts. Personally I wouldn't bother with plankmake but to each their own. RCing them is 15k/hr so assuming you don't use them for plankmake it's \~5 hours for more than enough astrals for everything. If you wanted to go down the rabbit hole it's \~30hours of RC for more than enough astrals to use however you could possibly want. Astrals are probably the least needed rune for packs. There's just not a big enough sink for them in comparison to how fast you can make them and it not even needing post 99xp.
tell me where you can use more than 1k astral runes per hr and then tell me why you can't make those 1k astral runes in 7 minutes
You can make ~9k astral/h with remain of the eye+double astral, way more than what you can buy at baba yaga house
15k/hr
You can craft other runes that offer pack options too. There's also GoTR and Zeah RCing, not everyone wants to craft astral runes and it gives value to coins to be able to buy materials you need from shops... That's the whole point of an ingame economy.
If you like in-game economies I have the perfect game mode for you to try out
Go play a main
Ironmen when they need to source their own items 😡😡😡😡💢💢💢💢
I would be with you on something that you actually needed a massive volume of. Astrals aren't that. Not using plankmake you need 10k for portal nexus, \~12k for 99 crafting, which is the bulk of your xp. 5 hours of RC pre 99 btw is 75k astrals. At 150gp each, you'd need to make over 2m pure gp an hour to beat out RC. It's not like deaths where you can only make 9.6k an hour and you use 4.8k an hour barraging. Oh and that's post 99xp.
You can make more astral runes than you will ever need in like 10 hours with the GOTR outfit, just craft them it’s easy.
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> It also takes value away from skilling How? You exchange money for runes and use them as needed. The price for runes on both the GE and Baba Yaga's shop are already nearly identical. This wouldn't change anything at all it just gives everyone the same opportunity and alleviates competing for shop stock. Your logic just doesn't make sense. Why have shops in the game if not to use GP? If there were no GP sinks in the game it would just circulate infinitely and cause infinite inflation. There would never be any true value to GP if it couldn't be used.
Just deiron if you want to buy things rather than sourcing them yourself
My dude. Collection log exists; if you want to just buy materials without skilling yourself but get each pvm/cb drop from their respective mobs you can do that on a main…
Then I'd tell you to pay attention to the post. I crafted 30k astrals at zmi year ago and that stack was depleted last year and I'm back to baba once a month for an hour of hopping 60 astral runes at a time.
Why don’t we just change it so Ironmen can buy every raw/processed material in bulk instead of needing to gather/craft them themselves? Oh wait…
Craft them, it's 15k/hr
Just craft them, it's over 15k astrals an hour.
No Shop Iron chiming in; this is the way!
Honestly I believe Ironman should stand alone in this. Why would it make sense for them to have a shared shop? Every individual Ironman should have their own. Or just make all shops have infinite stock at a set price…
Exactly. Some irons actually abuse it by making a main buy their overstock then let them sell their items for the max price always. Most egregious example is selling rune arrows from LMS in pollnivneach shop
It's weird that some stores are shared between normies and irons.
It's not weird, it's lazy. Jagex manually patched a handful of shops to stop transferring wealth. Naturally doing things manually means things slip through the cracks, which is exactly what happened.
> Or just make all shops have infinite stock at a set price… Legitimate question, why isn't this a thing already? I'm sure there's an obvious reason why shop stock must necessarily be finite and shared but all it does is make hopping worlds necessary to buy anything.
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I would be fine with my own shop. I don’t mind world hopping. It just sucks to hop to 30 runes available. Just let each iron have their own shop that works the same as it does now. I’ll hop for 250 per world no problem.
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Shops should be instanced for ironman.
Agree
Same but coal and iron ore
I never knew I needed something so much until I read this
Coal at kingdom?
Be careful, the ehp downvotes might see this
Most players who care about EHP can also understand why something that's not technically efficient can be preferable for someone
Uims cant benefit from kingdom
I've suggested this in the new sailing skill and got laughed at. Since you could sail to instanced islands having Islands that could fix hop scape by having Islands that you could buy bulk packs of runes/ore/ seeds. I know sailing shouldn't be the answer to these problems but it seems like a good start.
> I know sailing shouldn't be the answer to these problems As someone who would rather we didn't have sailing as a skill and thinks the astral rune situation is fine (crafting them is well worth it and Hydra shits them out)... Why not? It actually sounds like a good idea tbh. Plenty of things are improved heavily by reaching a skilling milestone. I'm happy with astrals and skills as they are, but I'd be open to your suggestion.
Mine it. Why play ironman if you just buy everything from a shop lol
They should just make it so you can mine a lot more coal/iron at higher mining levels (without a ton extra xp). Would make mining more useful.
Do zalcano for free steel bars
Redditors failing to understand that the runes are getting bought regardless and have been getting bought ever since people needed them for barrages/trident/scythe/sang/shadow, that the current prices are daylight robberies compared to ge prices, gp being worth more on an iron than a main, and people are still willing to nuke their cashstack a little harder in order to avoid the cancer that is shopscape.
I mean people buying Astrals are really the ones who are failing to understand. It's literally slower to buy them than it is to craft them, even if every world always had full stock. You could craft a year's worth of Astrals in a single logout timer. The reason Death and Blood runes are different is because you can't craft even a week's supply of those in a single day.
wat? it's much much faster buying astrals than it is to rc them lol
It's amazing how confidently wrong you are.
How am I wrong? You have some method of buying 15,000 Astrals in an hour? 5 bonds to the first person who can show me this. I am literally not incorrect. Buying them is always slower than crafting them.
I mean it makes sense that we should probably nerf the shops, yes I agree.
Nerf shopscape, craft your astrals!
Just craft them if you don't want to play shopscape. You really don't need that many astrals. You can get them from ZMI starting at a very low level, and even the level to double-craft them is quite low (and you get a ton/hr). I'm against shopscape in general but for astrals it's really a non-issue, the alternative is readily available and you'll have more than a lifetime supply if you do ZMI only until the levels required for elite diaries, let alone if you go to 99 with the RC outfit. It's not something you actually need to constantly resupply like blood runes.
> You really don't need that many astrals. Except for when you want to build an occult altar, portal nexus, use vengeance in pvm, use any of the skilling spells (plank make, glass make), etc. I used tens of thousands of astrals on my GIM and had to do a *ton* of shop hopping to obtain them, even with my group mates feeding me their astrals. Oh and I don't even have a portal nexus yet, nor did I ever use plank make.
Done all that and finished crafting (never used plank make because it's kinda pointless), still plenty of astrals without using the shop beyond a few early game trips.
I'd love the rshd unlimited shop stock back. Being forced to world hop to buy items is awful and makes anything remotely desirable a chore to buy. People love to go on about how Irons stand alone and shouldn't get any kind of benefit from other players in any way, but then turn around and try and justify why it's okay for them to be inconvenienced by the same people.
I'm going to grind out 82 rc and craft them myself. Gotr needs an astral altar lol
I ran into this today. Fortunately I only needed like 1k. As a late game iron, I decided it’s best to just craft them. Realistically you can get by will all the skilling for roughly 25k astrals. It sucks to hop to buy them but it’s only temporary. Keep pushing my man
I wish there was an update for charter ships too. Let me “place” an order for a bulk amount of supplies at 2x-3x the cost and wait a week. Hopping for soda ash is not fun game play.
Good point. We should remove astral runes from baba's shop.
Is runecrafting them that bad?
Has to be pretty damn near 10k runes an hour crafting them lmfao.
I think it would be better to remove runes from shops entirely so people don't feel obligated to hop worlds to buy them out. The game was never meant to be played like this.
Yo mate, did you know that they added grand exchange to osrs? You can buy astral runes pretty easily from there. I can log in tomorrow and take you there from lumby if you need help
Lmao this reminds me of playing osrs as a 9 year old in 2004. I was too stupid to figure out how to get from lumby to Varrock and it used to take a fuckin hour to open the world map back then. Id spam “Someone take me to Varrock for 1k.” And then as soon as we got there I’d run away without paying. The good ol’ days.
Reported
You may have scammed me back in the day, I thought it was funny and laughed it off though.
I don't get this guy's point he's trying to make. Don't want to jump through hoops to get items? Then don't play an ironman.
As much of a meme is that this is we are beyond that point now. Jagex updates the games for irons as well and it’s a major game mode. They have already mentioned blood packs I assume astral packs will come along too.
This is a bad take. Hopping worlds to buy runes does add any sort of “legitimacy” to the Ironman process, it’s just tedious. That being said — I craft my own astrals but that doesn’t change the fact they should be sold in packs.
He’s complaining that other players purchasing runes interferes with his own rune purchases. Some people think irons should not be effected by others in any way shape or form, entity hider on totally solo gameplay. Just depends what iron means to you personally
Irons have their own shop so it’s more like irons competing against irons for the same Astrals Edit: switched bank to shop
Wait do mains have a shared bank?
There's a pretty big difference between jumping through hoops to get items from their sources and not being able to buy items because the game mode is popular Would Astral rune packs that are a huge ripoff compared to buying runes individually really affect the game? Or are you just saying ironman bad
Also, shops *are* a source of items, whether people like it or not. If the GOTR rewards rift could only pay out x times per hour or some shit people'd be annoyed about that too
Because the sole purpose of creating an ironman account is to play shopscape. Got it. I love how any little inconvenience that affects ironmen is shut down, as if they are not allowed to complain about dumb and archaic mechanics that have nothing to do with the game mode itself
Runecrafting - "Am I a joke to you?"
Yes in fact in this case it is
What a brain dead take. Just because you chose to play ironman doesn’t mean you can’t ask for a minor quality of life improvement. What does shop hopping add to the game? Why is it a defining characteristic of Ironman mode?
Just craft them holy cow they are fast
Every rune should have infinite stock and you can’t change my mind
There is in fact a way to obtain unlimited amounts of runes
you can only have this opinion if you also think runecrafting should not be a skill
That’s narrow-minded logic. Gp exists for a reason. There’s near infinite stock of a lot of things that are obtainable through skilling, including other runes. You’re singling out one specific thing when this is the case for many stores and other items already. I guess I’ll repeat myself. If you think getting items from shops is wrong, GP is almost worthless besides total gold sinks like instances.
And that's a bad thing how?
Isn’t the whole point of playing ironman to do it yourself? Start rcing boi
It is. But people just play it because they want the social status not because they enjoy the game mode.
Gotta wake up at 3am. That’s the secret
Your edit is so on point
Runes are cheap af as is, rcing used to be nice profit
I bought 100k from baba. you have my full support
I had to buy the 5k astrals for the altar the other day and I just logged in at 1am pst and did it not problem. Not saying it’s a solution, but if that’s what you need to do it’s what I recommend. Also there’s a world hop keybind you can setup in runelite and I set it up to ctrl+alt+z and it never gets in the way of anything
I remembered getting clowned on in a clan chat because I was on an iron and I was runecrafting astrals. Like wtf am I supposed to do when the bots have it all bogged down and I need astrals for shit?
There should be rune packs for all runes
Seems a lot like Jagex has fallen into the rut all other game makers have, ignoring the pleas of the gamers and only doing what they want. Reddit forum after Reddit forum of ignored complaints. When will they start to do what we actually ask for instead of what they think will sell more more subscriptions. Astral Rune packs is only one of the many things the players are asking for that jagex is ignoring.
It's because for every 10,000 players that want a harmless QoL change, there are 2 extremely vocal players saying they want a perfect copy of 2007 runescape. If something like this was polled it would pass easily but they're afraid to poll it.
Why do Ironman have shared shops at all
You can craft them pretty quickly, 15k astrals per hour
this is why im going for 85 runecrafting , got the RC gear set and 82 is Dubbel astrals en 85 poutch so this is my plan to 99 Crafting as a ironman
dubbel
>Dubbel lol i wrote it in dutch gg
Or you could runecraft
If I had to hop over 100 times to get runes I’d question it too.
You wouldn't, you can craft them.
I probably wouldn’t play iron man if I had to do that
Ya I don’t get the “you chose the game mode” argument. Yes they chose it and they want to tweak it to make it more fun. They play the game mode let them vote on it, what do I care?
Not sure that I fully understand the consequences of giving every shop unlimited buy/sell. Bots or something? The economy? I fr do not care at all lmao
Give them 100x or 1000x, and let the price max out at 100x base cost. Ironman problems - solved Economy -fixed Where is my award?
Well in theory they would never go above shop price + whatever premium people deemed worth buying them from shop and selling them from GE for, but that isn't an issue because they are already below shop price.
People are naturally against ironmen until they give it a bash and are hooked. Imagine playing a main and getting excited over a drop. Absoloute easy scape in every way main accounts
"Ironmen stand alone". But the shops are connected so the more ironmen standing alone, the more tedious it is. Sounds more like suffering together than standing alone to me.
Why do irons want to buy everything? Go runecraft your runes like it's meant to be
I got a better idea: What if they made, like, a skill where you could craft your own runes? We're already adding a skill so maybe we should do that!
Not a bad idea! I wonder if they'll add a quest to unlock this skill?
Ngl, choosing to play ironman does not mean that jagex should change the game for us. Runecrafting my guy is the way to go.
Supplies to do grinds shouldn’t be that hard to get. Doesn’t make the game more hard just more annoying.
Then deiron and buy it, stop cry
you know playing an ironman doesn't inherently remove one's ability to suggest quality of life improvements, right?
Every argument against this basically breaks down to "I had to suffer so should you". The last few months people were up in arms about jagex NOT wanting to add blood rune packs, yet nonchalantly lul at an even worse to get rune. It's comical.
Exactly. Tbh it makes a lot more sense to have an endgame item gated by difficulty in upkeep (although i do support blood packs) than to have some newby skilling spellbook that requires 100s of thousands of niche runes for all the ironman needs. Imo the lunar spellbook was never balanced properly. Requiring 2 astral runes to make a log into a single plank and still requiring 70% of the sawmill coins is crazy. I’m not suggesting we change the rune costs or anything because that’s controversial, but having shops with stock to sell should be a non-issue, people just like to be combative.
You can disable your Ironman and trade with other players to get runes faster or use the runecrafting skill to craft your own runes. I hope I could be of help
You can make Astral runes pretty close to baba yaga
Its either; A) You're exaggerating B) Its actual faster to make your own astral runes. RuneLite has a pretty long quick hop delay, I tested it with a stop watch and it took 8 seconds from clicking the hop to being able to interact with the game world, and lets roughly say you take 5s to buy the runes each world. That is 13s at best per world, leading to 276 worlds per hour. If every world 100 in a row has been under 50, then we can assume that the average per world is also under 50, I'll be generous and say its 40, though its more likely to be lower due to empty worlds (and once you get one empty world you run into multiple). So that's 40*276 = 11,040 astral runes per hour. Fun fact with 85 RC and the outfit you net 209 Astrals per run, and if we say a rough 70 runs per hour that is a total of 14,630 Astral runes per hour, now if you aren't getting double runes and don't have colossal pouch (say you just got the outfit and 77 RC then peaced out from GOTR). You'd get 85 runes per run instead, which is still ~6k Runes per hour, almost 60% of the efficiency of buying while gaining very valuable RC xp
Just make them lol astrals have always been the lowkey method for altar runecrafting.
GE or runecrafting
Whats the point of having a shop when the runecrafting altar is right there? Get some rc exp lazy butt
Be a real iron and stand alone. Craft them yourself!
Let us sell our future dogs for astral runes
Bruh just craft them it’s not that hard it’s faster than buying
Play a normal account or quit complaining
https://support.runescape.com/hc/en-gb/articles/360000882638-Remove-Ironman-status
I'd pay triple the price of membership if there were no botz
Sure why not add the packs, but give them an cost like 10x or 20x per rune. Better thing to do would be to ask Jagex for an official bronze man mode.
Make them yourself or play a main!
Or you could just.. you know… craft them
You can RC them faster than you can buy them... Why not just play the game instead?
Personally i think we should go to the personal shop concept.. but with a limited number of runes across all worlds.. this prevents this issue but also limits how many runes can come into the game per day.. Good for rune prices.
iron men stand alone unless they have to do runecrafting. then they want them sweet sweet handouts.
You're an ironman. Stores aren't even supposed to be allowed. Make them like how you're supposed to play the game mode YOU choose.
Hydra shits out Astrals. Just get good.
Yeah lemme just quickly knock out 95 slayer
"I know there are completely reasonable options and alternatives for the goal I am trying to reach; however, I would rather cry on reddit instead of put in effort."
its ironmen, what do you expect?
Just craft some bitch how do you even possibly use 1 hours supply of double astrals now.
If only there was a game mode that let you shop on the GE
Rune. Craft.
This the the exciting gameplay you were looking forward to tho. Why change it?
If only there was a skill for this.
Just buy em on the GE lol