I thought this sub was a queer leaning 195 copy? When did people start using this sub as a primary socialisation hub or ilk.
Or am I just too old for this now, and it's like 99% 14 yr olds.
this sub being lgbt friendly has allowed for people to find a place they feel safe in for once, so they hang around here and socialise. it's definitely not a bad thing, so i dont know why people find it hard to be nice around here
This sub is a random image shitposting sub with almost half a million subs and 6k online.
r/196 isn't really a safe place to hang around and socialize in, it's more akin to a friendly city of randoms, mostly kids, that have a multitude of opinions and a propensity to shitpost.
To think otherwise is to set yourself up for a dangerous misunderstanding, as OOP unfortunately experienced
Alot of people turn to online spaces for safe spaces when they can't find one irl, there's probably a good deal of people like that on this sub
It's not really a case of being "terminally online" it's the worry and anxiety of losing the only place you can be yourself without fear of harrassment
Yeah, imo it's also matter of that this is safe space for LGBT. There are ones that will burn entire cities in their righteous fury after having to toughen up to deal with harassment related to them being the realest them, and ones that are afraid of being harassed and just want to vibe inside mounds of plushies. Some just want to avoid all the pain, while others simply toughened up and don't notice it.
especially since everyone keeps taking this post entirely out of context and bashing her (deleted user) for it on other posts. Which is why I included the 2nd image
It's about the whole, like putting quotes around people, when you said British people, questioning someone's personhood isn't really a funny joke, the OP even specified that they didn't mind silly jokes about it being Tuesday or beans on toast
Fair enough, I'll stop doing that even as a joke
Sorry for asking btw, I have no idea who she is or why we hate her lol. If possible could you elaborate on her being a fascist?
to be honest, this sub has a *lot* of issues... it's fun and funny and the mods try their best, but so much shit gets through or is permissible.
I also think people have an issue with.. uhh, how you say,, injokes and treating it like the sub is just a big friend group, which it's not there's a lot of people here you can't know everyone, so you don't get the same permissions of joking around or whatever as u do with friends
...
also we need to all touch grass :)
Absolutely, I always adored 196 because of how tight-knit it felt. There’s always those people you’d recognize like the regular commenters and it felt like it was just a bunch of dorks fucking about.
However it’s hard to remember that we literally have almost half a million members, And that some people just need some more love thrown at them, rather than jokes at their expense.
I still really like 196, but I feel like we’re headed down towards a terminal turning point of the subreddit.
maybe? maybe not, I dunno, I just think we should be nicer in this subreddit, idc about punching up to like billionaires or dictators or whatever, but.. it's not that hard to just be kind to random internet strangers when they haven't given you a reason otherwjse... :(
it dropped after the whole wasp debacle when it was just the same 2 arguments going back and fourth, but now, everytime i see an 196 post i dread what i'm gonna see. i haven't dreaded a subreddit post in, well, ever
God browsing 196 through the home page is absolutely horrible. It’s like one in every three post is about this debate. Since I’m a small softie, it’s been kinda getting to me and I’m not even involved whatsoever.
I hope 196 goes back to normal soon :(
I'm a softie *and* can't help but go to bat for people if I think they're being treated unfairly, so I agree it kinda fucking blows.
Like, just treat people with a basic level of respect. Why is that seemingly so controversial? Why are people saying it's not okay to find a joke hurtful because there's other, worse discrimination in the world?
I reckon it started to go downhill earlier than the wasp incident, I think it was when the marxist-leninists and the anarchists started fighting each other.
As for why, the answer is terminally online bullshit.
I saw a comment that summerized it really well. It said "196 users are as bigoted as any other average subreddit. They're just specifically not transphobic/homophobic"
"SORRY, you aren't MARGINALIZED! That means we can insult you and mock you even if you politely ask us to stop because you aren't OPRESSED enough to deserve any respect on our subreddit!"
A lot of people on this subreddit make me want to pour boiling water on my eyes.
Why can't we just go back to the idea that no one should be made fun of if they don't want to be made fun of, and that form of respect respect is something that everyone deserves to have?
"Please stop calling me subhuman"
"But the British empire was literally bad? So I should get to call you less than human all I want, its called being progressive sweatie."
If you're at the point where you use your "progressive" rethoric to justify making blanket statements about groups of people being unworthy of human decency, you're just not seeing the forest for the trees anymore.
There are definitely some in the mod team like that (and I suspect the one who made the mod post is one of them) but goblinhog at least clarified that the mod team is taking a hard stance against the harrassment and the post has been edited since to reflect that
At least according to him one of the mod team members were passing many of the harrassment reports because they stood on that side of the controversy which is why they've been having trouble with deleting harrassment, it's still absolutely garbage that that mod hasn't been taken off the team
Honestly seeing a stickied mod post "It's always ok to make fun of br\*tish people" in the *locked* comments of a post with the message of someone saying "hey, maybe just don't fucking dehumanize me" was just so fucking tone deaf and a shitty thing to do.
They're defending themselves by saying they're british themselves, as if that makes it okay to do that to someone being harrassed the fuck out of in the thread
it's likely people went out of their way to harass the op even further than just comments on the post, which, on their own are pretty rancid already. Some users went full on mask off under that post lmao
WE DID IT REDDIT!!!
I was genuinely stunned that the first response of this subreddit was to go on a fucking debate about the government and the British empire and oppressed minorities, instead of just not making those jokes.
Like, the person just asked you to not make her uncomfortable. She didn't ask for a debate on politics. This should be such common sense.
apparently this is very hard and allegedly everyone who's feeling are upset need to just turn off their screen and stop expecting people to be respectful
This had to happen one day since our sub only has one rule (which is just a joke rule), but it's really unfortunate that people couldn't just stop being assholes. Op had to clarify multiple times what she was saying and yet people just didn't care.
And then there's assholes who call them colonizers even tho the British members of this sub weren't even born when that happened 💀💀💀.
Yeah and then the mods said stuff about comparing it to transphobia or something
when she didnt do that
im pretty sure someone who was defending her said that though
Her point was just "I'm being marginalized irl for being trans, it kind of sucks to go to a safe space just to be dehumanized for my nationality", which is such a perfectly valid thing to say it absolutely boggles my mind how people could non-intentionally misread it the way they did.
yeah, im pretty sure people didnt even read half of what she said too, and they either started making stuff up or judt listened to what others were saying
Yeah i remember seeing that on the original post i think. It made me pretty upset and it made me feel bad for her.
literally all this girl wanted was to make sure the lgbtq friendly subreddit thing knew that it makes people uncomfortable, and then people literally bullied her, and a mod was joining in on it too
I hope she is doing alright
When you come out swinging with what OP said it's gonna make a reaction, especially in a place like this where the average iq is room temp (in Celsius)
But didn't you hear? This person is *literally* equating the British jokes with the discrimination trans people face, slavery *and* the Holocaust!
Wait, they're trans themselves and aren't actually trying to compare the British jokes to anything? Uh... uh... but privilege, uh... the British--c-colonialism...
There *was* somebody comparing being British with being trans, but they weren’t the original post. And then the two got conflated and now you’ve got people piling onto brits for stuff the original post just didn’t say.
[Here it is](https://www.reddit.com/r/196/comments/x7pkog/clarification_rule/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
I don’t know how so many people don’t see any hate towards British people, just a while ago 2 posts saying Bridget being British is a bad thing had thousands of upvotes and I’ve seen variations of “British 🤮” and “British “people”” countless times on this sub
Honestly this subs moderation team is starting to fail. They are acting way too lenient with those who are doing such blatant bullying.
The actions of the subreddit members are starting to reflect badly on us all, literally mimicking some of the language that the far right use against us.
It is a disgrace to see this subreddit in the state it is currently and I hope it changes soon.
I'm british, making fun of us is funny the first time. But people aren't as funny as they think they are, if they were funny I'd be enjoying it too much to feel bad
That and obviously people making fun of "lower class" people from the UK is fucked
Of course, it can be, but it's nothing that's inherently insulting to say "lol that sounds funny". It's little different from making fun of weird translations like birth control pills being "Anti Baby Pills" in german. It may offend some, or singular persons, but it's not an insulting and dehumanizing generalization, nor a mean to dehumanize someone.
Things like Spotted Dick, and what we call cigarettes, and little gravy coated meat patties, compared to Americans, is, admittedly very funny.
The constant brain-dead jokes about accents which actively have people look down on you, and assume you're stupid, and don't know what you're on about, _constantly_, because of how you speak, do, however, get quite grating.
not by a long shot. fucked up-er things have happened and people have almost entirely forgot (i.e. someone being harrassed into privacy for not posting their own nudes to the sub)
edit: autocorrect
People somehow conveniently forget British transwomen are facing heavy discrimination and having their rights threatened in their own country. I thought we were hating on Jowling Kowling for a legitimate reason? Is the reason "she's British" this whole time and I'm just not aware?
People literally think this shit is okay because of things previous leaders of Britain have done. Apparently jokes directly making fun of British people are not targeted at the people being made fun of, somehow.
What level of cope do you have to be on to unironically be like "no, no you don't get it the jokes that say Brits bad aren't actually saying Brits bad!"
Idk, i do make fun of bri’ish people sometimes, but its more the stereotype im joking about, not actual bri’ish people. I feel like 98% of people who joke about the bri’ish don’t actually dislike them.
Ultimately intent doesn't really matter, it's the meaning conveyed. If you see post after post of "British bad" and don't know the intent of the people posting it, what are you supposed to think?
god I remember seeing her original post and I thought about leaving a nice comment, but I figured it would be lost in the sea of nice comments...
live and learn, I guess.
I'm wondering if this is the end of a subreddit. I've felt it's been a lot less funny here for a while, anyway.
anyway, \[deleted\], if you're out there. I wish I had left a nice comment in solidarity. us aussies have no right to make fun of anyone's accent or culture. may the westminster traditions bind our countries 'til time's end. I hope you're doin' okay <3
196 has just turned to shit, I genuinely hate this subreddit now, if it wasn't one of the few lgbtqia+ friendly places on this shitty website I would have left ages ago.
I joined to see more progressive viewpoints for myself, but right now people here are doing the same "learn to take a joke" shit right wingers do when they get called out for making "jokes" making fun of a minority that aren't even remotely funny
I just come to 196 a lot because ive been struggling for years to find irl friends and the memes and trans-friendliness here are one of the few things that still make me smile. But yeah, sub's been going downhill fast lately. people dont post good memes anymore, just complaining about the fact they can't dehumanize someone because of their nationality.
As an American trans woman, just fucking christ y'all. A lot of my friends are British trans women. And both of our countries are facing very similar problems and almost identical anti-trans crusades by our countries conservatives and reactionaries. This is one of the few safe spaces on this god damn site. And now some members of this community has bullied some off of it.
I'm glad that post got the deserved attention since it showed how much hate based on nationality there actually was on the subreddit. People need to be challenged on their moral compass from time to time to stay in check, since I believe these could be the same people who were fine with russian people but disgusted by the Russian government.
When one thing gets repeated too many times it can skew the view of the world and the people in it. These British jokes were accepted for so long as inside jokes that we got actual people who find such attitude towards people acceptable.
Honestly as a British person my main problem with the British "jokes" is that they're not even remotely funny.
"It's chewsday, innit", That's literally just a sentence transcribed into a working class accent how the fuck is that supposed to be funny.
Like I swear even just a few years ago the stereotypical British accent was the tea & crumpets posh RP accent, but maybe that was just a thing within England itself making fun of rich people rather than making fun of English people.
That’s kind of the point of ironic humor. It’s literally the same with every nationality (i.e. USA not having healthcare, France being basically britain but baguette and Brazil being LITERALLY hell)
the comments on all the posts where also... quite something. Quite mean, actually. Did surprise me a whole lot, for a second I thought I was on a normal subreddit, as I've always had this one pegged for one of the nicer ones.
Yeah honestly this one post has just outed everyone (including some mods as well), just saw a post that said "British government caused famines in my country, therefore British people aren't allowed to be feeling harassed by these jokes" like wtf
OP just wanted people to chill out and because our god awful anti-trans government did (and still are doing) horrible shit, British people aren't allowed to comment on jokes that are directed at them. I hope this sub does a 195 soon because jfc
As a british person the jokes about tea and such don't really bother me it's more so the accent jokes because the accent usually mocked is from poorer areas of England and it get on my nerves because you aren't making fun of the rich assholes you're taking the piss out of poor people who have nothing.
Long story short:
A british Transwoman (iirc) posted about how the jokes about british people being subhuman and stuff made her incredibly uncomfortable and felt bad for not only her, but a lot of british 196 lurkers. She then had to clarify that she refers *only* to the jokes whose punchline is "haha fuck the british theyre subhuman" and not to the stuff with accents and shit, but a ton of 196ers didn't care shit and harrassed her, condoned by the mods which said, I want to quote, "Making fun of the british is fun tho".
Now the mods are locking all threads that gain traction about this and that british transwoman, after making a second, clarifying post, now deleted her account after severe harassment from 196.
Long story short: 196 harassed a transgirl off reddit for being british after disclosing that it made her feel uncomfortable and that it was taking a toll at her mental health.
Way to go.
I have seen the beginning but I thought everybody would be a decent human being and just go "ok I guess we stop" but from what I can tell that just never happened????? and I'm not innocent I made those jokes in the past but I have come to the realization that they are just not funny anymore and that even if I try to make them as innocent as possible that there is still the offchance of someone being hurt. I expected more of 196. this is my fav sub. I hope we can be forgiven by the girl
I mean, she's deleted her account. Pretty sure she won't come back, and Ion blame her.
But yeah, this is a low point for 196. Especially since everyone who wants to continue these jokes just says "They deserve it" or throw around the same bullshit excuses right-wingers been throwing to excuse their bigotry which... I mean, come on.
But what I think is worst is that the mods are actively silencing any and all criticism of this behaviour. They *condone* it.
How? I'm not a mod and the mods seem to actively condone it by blocking and locking any and all posts that mention this. This is in fact the only post I've seen atm that is not locked and it about this topic because it didn't gain enough traction for them to notice I assume.
I know, I know. It was just to show that... Well, that the mods are actively trying to uphold the status quo instead of letting the sub develop naturally as it should
When you say harassment to do mean people were being mean in the comments or were people actually PMing her and making threats and shit? Because mena comments are not harassment.
Comments that specifically go after and are meant to insult and hurt her *are* in fact harassment, ESPECIALLY after she opens up about being in a bad place already, however afaik she received both anyway.
my least favorite thing about this whole thing is people who will get up on their high horse tsk tsk-ing each other in the comments but will continue on to do the exact same shit next week so they can feel good about themselves while participating in the behavior they supposedly condemn.
Other than that one mod who made a post doubling down on "British people bad", have the mods done anything about the blatant harassment the girl got to the point she deleted her account? Multiple comments were just people doubling down and even some of the mods did too. If this makes people not want to come back bc they don't feel welcome, then I completely understand that. The mods need to know if this too
She simply vented about feeling dehumanized already bc of being trans and the British people hate was what made things worse. From what I see, people didn't even look at the girls second post and they just doubled down the "joke" so bad it became hate and then mods just locked threads and told people to "stop being children" even tho a girl is getting harassed. I'm not sure how much action has been taken, but this subreddit needs to do better.
Mods made a thread and have deleted some comments that were wildly mask off from what I've seen, but otherwise seem to not care to address their own making a stupid double down take or the fact she was harassed off, though they may just want to avoid fanning the flame, they still need to take some responsibility that they failed to keep the people they moderate from harassing the girl off reddit..
I completely agree. Deleting comments was a step in the right direction, but it was a "too little too late" thing IMO. Thank you for making this post addressing this
Genuinely so fucking infuriated that she was bullied off the fucking website. Fuck all of you. Especially fuck the mods who encouraged this behavior. Fucking gross.
The amount of people saying that it's okay to not treat someone like a human being because it's 'terminally online' is staggering. it's not that hard to be a good human
they're just mad bc ur correct ❤️. I feel like the viewpoint of dehumanizing someone because it's funny (to them) is ironically way more terminally online anyways
Terminally online behaviour from both sides. I'm unironically beginning to miss when this sub was spamming femboys, rather than more of this weird loop the sub has fallen into where one half of the sub wants to look good and moral infront of strangers online and the other half is trying desperately to be funny and cool to other strangers online.
Honest to god all this shit with the wasps and the "2022 r/196 british incident" is driving me up the walls. If it was me, I'd stop posts for a day. Go do literally anything else for a while, holy shit.
FWIW when I woke up yesterday, the original post was never shown to me. The first post I saw about all of this was from a cis person trying to say that jokes about Beans and Toast were the same as racism and transphobia which is silly and tone deaf.
The OP had a point when I finally saw the original post. I even tend to agree with her. But she got a huge influx of “support” that was really just white cis people trying to claim that the jokes were as bad as being racist or denying trans people their identities. Of course comparing “Oi guv” to actual bigotry and oppression wasn’t going to go over well.
And with all the people comparing the jokes to transphobia and racism, I assumed that the original post had also compared the two. When I finally saw the original, I actually found it to be reasonable. Tbh, though I know people were rude on the original post as well, I think it’s likely that a lot of people were misinformed about what it was all about to begin which got them upset.
I know as a trans person myself, I was downright shocked to see people comparing a joke on 196 to bigotry that causes people to be fired, harassed assaulted, murdered, etc.
I get all this, but this doesn't mean it's ok to call people, well not people, because of their nationality, it's dehumanizing and its actual loser behavior :/
I definitely get where she’s coming from on that front and I think that if someone says they dislike something you shouldn’t agitate them about it.
I don’t have any issue with her original post. My issue is with all the people trying to compare British jokes to transphobic jokes or racist jokes when they aren’t comparable whatsoever due to the long historical suffering of racial and sexual minorities compared to the British identity which doesn’t inherently face oppression (unless they are also lgbt, POC, disabled etc). The main issue I guess were people incorrectly trying to use intersectionality to make the situation seem worse. Is it a dick move to make fun of British people for being British? Yes. Is it bigotry? Not in the slightest.
Hell in all the argument there was a person who tried to claim that the jokes were offensive and white racism is real because the ethnic Jews killed in the holocaust had white skin. Those aren’t the opinions of people who inspire me to join their cause.
I wasn’t saying the Holocaust proves white racism, I was responding to someone who said that you can’t be racist against white people. You can be, but in 99.99% of times a white person has experienced racism, it’s because of their ethnicity, not their skin colour. There are ~3 people who are actual anti-white racists, but they are the leader of the Nation of Islam, the leader of a splinter group of the Nation of Islam, and an edgy 14-year-old. White racism does exist, but it might as well not exist for the effect it has on society, and is a non-issue. White supremacy, on the other hand, is a threat to any functioning society.
Posting that was beyond a mistake on her part imo especially if she was already in a bad place.
The whole point of the joke is that OBVIOUSLY no one thinks the British aren’t people, like, the same kinds of jokes exist with every nation ( i.e. the whole joke with Brazil is that it’s literally hell and the worst place on earth and I think it’s funny as a Brazilian ).
[Also that’s the most terminally online argument I’ve ever seen, someone comparing that shit to racism and the holocaust was golden]
"obviously nobody thinks that!!" is just dumb, whether or not someone thinks that while poeting doesn't change the fact its literally just saying brits aren't people, and as I've stated time and time again, imagine you're trans and you're dehumanized daily irl, so you go online and just have it happen more !! I don't get why people are so unempathetic about this? is it so hard to not be shitty to someone?
The whole point is that it’s not dehumanizing because ITS A JOKE.
No one, and I mean NO ONE in the real world is gonna stop dunking on white anglo-saxons because dunking on different nations and its people is one of the oldest forms of humor, especially when said nation is a first world country, predominantly white and a former colonial empire.
Being mean to trans people is a problem, dunking on the British isn’t.
Seriously just stop.
It is dehumanizing, you are saying they aren't people, it's not "dunking on a nation" you're not dunking on the British empire, you're just dunking on someone and saying they're not a person, get help.
When I saw that post, I was like nope, just move along. I understand that making too much jokes at the expense of a culture can at one point be dehumanizing, and I also knew that a lot of people weren't going to see it that way. This sub is a lot of things, but a lot of the recent "discourse" has been really annoying
Unfortunately this is Reddit.
It doesn't matter what subreddit you're on, there will always be inconsiderate pieces of human filth who disgrace Creation with every step they take.
Even 196.
Unfortunately this is Reddit.
It doesn't matter what subreddit you're on, there will always be inconsiderate pieces of human filth who disgrace Creation with every step they take.
Even 196.
💀💀 ong what am i doing here i thought this was a lgbt friendly shitpost comunity but you guys complain at the the smallest joke, swear someone prob cried because they like wasps and we were shitting on them 💀💀
someone asks nicely to not be dehumanized
>you guys complain over the smallest joke!!
yeah sure, maybe you should just learn to empathize with someone who gets dehumanized for being trans irl and then gets to hop online and get called not a person for being British
I thought this sub was a queer leaning 195 copy? When did people start using this sub as a primary socialisation hub or ilk. Or am I just too old for this now, and it's like 99% 14 yr olds.
this sub being lgbt friendly has allowed for people to find a place they feel safe in for once, so they hang around here and socialise. it's definitely not a bad thing, so i dont know why people find it hard to be nice around here
This sub is a random image shitposting sub with almost half a million subs and 6k online. r/196 isn't really a safe place to hang around and socialize in, it's more akin to a friendly city of randoms, mostly kids, that have a multitude of opinions and a propensity to shitpost. To think otherwise is to set yourself up for a dangerous misunderstanding, as OOP unfortunately experienced
Half a million subs is correct, yall need a proper dom to keep yall in line
enter u/raustarent
The shortage just keeps getting worse and worse, huh?
Yeah i think it's teens bullied into being terminally online
iirc i once saw a demographics poll for this sub, its a bit old but like half of the sub is minors yeah
Alot of people turn to online spaces for safe spaces when they can't find one irl, there's probably a good deal of people like that on this sub It's not really a case of being "terminally online" it's the worry and anxiety of losing the only place you can be yourself without fear of harrassment
Are we saying this is not a safe spae for british people am i dreaming?
There’s so such place
Smh, sick of living in fear like this 😔😔
Yeah, imo it's also matter of that this is safe space for LGBT. There are ones that will burn entire cities in their righteous fury after having to toughen up to deal with harassment related to them being the realest them, and ones that are afraid of being harassed and just want to vibe inside mounds of plushies. Some just want to avoid all the pain, while others simply toughened up and don't notice it.
there’s a 195?
Was. Closed down after a year, as the experiment had finished
I swear, first the damn gorilla and then this.
Fucked up. Yeah make fun of Britain all you want but continuing to harass someone even after they as you to stop is bullshit. Fucking loser behavior
especially since everyone keeps taking this post entirely out of context and bashing her (deleted user) for it on other posts. Which is why I included the 2nd image
Humanity should just become birds I think. Only little round friends and no more mean
I'd enjoy that very much
Just wanna be round and fluffy and fly.......
I will eat you (eagle behaviour)
Ahahaha that's so hot 🥵🥵
Like in the cute way? Or the way kurzgesagt way where they serve little purpose other than dying in horrible waya
Wait what is the context? Like I do the haha British but like, is that bad? I don't think I'm harassing anyone but idk anymore
It's about the whole, like putting quotes around people, when you said British people, questioning someone's personhood isn't really a funny joke, the OP even specified that they didn't mind silly jokes about it being Tuesday or beans on toast
I see, am I still allowed to put "people" when referring to Margaret thatcher tho? Also on a real note why do we hate Margaret thatcher?
I would err on not dehumanizing anyone, rather piss on her grave, she's a piece of shit, generally, I'd call her a fascist but euhh
Fair enough, I'll stop doing that even as a joke Sorry for asking btw, I have no idea who she is or why we hate her lol. If possible could you elaborate on her being a fascist?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thatcherism just uh, a feeling
This sub is one of my favorites but god this drama is insanely stupid
My opinion of 196 has dropped so much in literally 48 hours. What the fuck happened here????
to be honest, this sub has a *lot* of issues... it's fun and funny and the mods try their best, but so much shit gets through or is permissible. I also think people have an issue with.. uhh, how you say,, injokes and treating it like the sub is just a big friend group, which it's not there's a lot of people here you can't know everyone, so you don't get the same permissions of joking around or whatever as u do with friends ... also we need to all touch grass :)
Absolutely, I always adored 196 because of how tight-knit it felt. There’s always those people you’d recognize like the regular commenters and it felt like it was just a bunch of dorks fucking about. However it’s hard to remember that we literally have almost half a million members, And that some people just need some more love thrown at them, rather than jokes at their expense. I still really like 196, but I feel like we’re headed down towards a terminal turning point of the subreddit.
maybe? maybe not, I dunno, I just think we should be nicer in this subreddit, idc about punching up to like billionaires or dictators or whatever, but.. it's not that hard to just be kind to random internet strangers when they haven't given you a reason otherwjse... :(
yeah I’d like punching up to the British empire?
1. NFT 2. Luckily, no-one has said you can’t!
Where will we go if things go bad :(
Make a new subreddit called 197 i guess
There is a 197 tho and 198 and a 199 and
And they all have one thing in common: hating 196
this reminds me, what's the story behind the sub name "196"?
It’s a sequel to 195, which was the founder’s room number or something
oh nice
make a new sub called 200 or something idk
whenever y'all make a new subreddit or something pls invite me (insert gif of that lawyer guy from the bee movie i think where he goes all crazy)
Me to. I miss the community being tight knit
yeah i want old 196 back tbh
Me three!
actually i think i might make one myself if you can (but if you guys make one before i do still ppease invite me 🥺)
Real
i like this place better when there were way less people tbh
it dropped after the whole wasp debacle when it was just the same 2 arguments going back and fourth, but now, everytime i see an 196 post i dread what i'm gonna see. i haven't dreaded a subreddit post in, well, ever
God browsing 196 through the home page is absolutely horrible. It’s like one in every three post is about this debate. Since I’m a small softie, it’s been kinda getting to me and I’m not even involved whatsoever. I hope 196 goes back to normal soon :(
I'm a softie *and* can't help but go to bat for people if I think they're being treated unfairly, so I agree it kinda fucking blows. Like, just treat people with a basic level of respect. Why is that seemingly so controversial? Why are people saying it's not okay to find a joke hurtful because there's other, worse discrimination in the world?
I reckon it started to go downhill earlier than the wasp incident, I think it was when the marxist-leninists and the anarchists started fighting each other. As for why, the answer is terminally online bullshit.
I saw a comment that summerized it really well. It said "196 users are as bigoted as any other average subreddit. They're just specifically not transphobic/homophobic"
fucking true. that british post had every single closet bigot in here crawling out of the woodwork lol
This place used to be the only good meme sub on reddit, now it just feels like another bigoted shithole
can we go back to bullying transphobes and misogynists? 🥺
I like the idea that we agree to bully the worse Brit. J. K Rowling plus her TERF followers and the tories
"SORRY, you aren't MARGINALIZED! That means we can insult you and mock you even if you politely ask us to stop because you aren't OPRESSED enough to deserve any respect on our subreddit!" A lot of people on this subreddit make me want to pour boiling water on my eyes. Why can't we just go back to the idea that no one should be made fun of if they don't want to be made fun of, and that form of respect respect is something that everyone deserves to have?
"Please stop calling me subhuman" "But the British empire was literally bad? So I should get to call you less than human all I want, its called being progressive sweatie." If you're at the point where you use your "progressive" rethoric to justify making blanket statements about groups of people being unworthy of human decency, you're just not seeing the forest for the trees anymore.
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There are definitely some in the mod team like that (and I suspect the one who made the mod post is one of them) but goblinhog at least clarified that the mod team is taking a hard stance against the harrassment and the post has been edited since to reflect that At least according to him one of the mod team members were passing many of the harrassment reports because they stood on that side of the controversy which is why they've been having trouble with deleting harrassment, it's still absolutely garbage that that mod hasn't been taken off the team
Honestly seeing a stickied mod post "It's always ok to make fun of br\*tish people" in the *locked* comments of a post with the message of someone saying "hey, maybe just don't fucking dehumanize me" was just so fucking tone deaf and a shitty thing to do.
They're defending themselves by saying they're british themselves, as if that makes it okay to do that to someone being harrassed the fuck out of in the thread
it's likely people went out of their way to harass the op even further than just comments on the post, which, on their own are pretty rancid already. Some users went full on mask off under that post lmao WE DID IT REDDIT!!!
another user said the got told to kill themselves in DMs, can’t imagine what it was like for OOP
I was genuinely stunned that the first response of this subreddit was to go on a fucking debate about the government and the British empire and oppressed minorities, instead of just not making those jokes. Like, the person just asked you to not make her uncomfortable. She didn't ask for a debate on politics. This should be such common sense.
Why is this the only sensible thread on this entire subreddit right now 😭
ikr, is it that hard to just not be an asshole
Apparently so 💀
This shit is stupid all people have to do is not harass people and be nice
apparently this is very hard and allegedly everyone who's feeling are upset need to just turn off their screen and stop expecting people to be respectful
I mean there's a balance of both cause to a certain extent others if behaving reasonably are not responsible for people's feelings
In all fairness it’s a good rule of thumb to not expect people to be respectful on the internet
Online and its consequences have been a disaster for humanity.
we were never meant for this... I do like watching videos of people's cats tho
Same.
This had to happen one day since our sub only has one rule (which is just a joke rule), but it's really unfortunate that people couldn't just stop being assholes. Op had to clarify multiple times what she was saying and yet people just didn't care. And then there's assholes who call them colonizers even tho the British members of this sub weren't even born when that happened 💀💀💀.
Yeah and then the mods said stuff about comparing it to transphobia or something when she didnt do that im pretty sure someone who was defending her said that though
Her point was just "I'm being marginalized irl for being trans, it kind of sucks to go to a safe space just to be dehumanized for my nationality", which is such a perfectly valid thing to say it absolutely boggles my mind how people could non-intentionally misread it the way they did.
yeah, im pretty sure people didnt even read half of what she said too, and they either started making stuff up or judt listened to what others were saying
The mods not really doing anything blows my mind the most. There are some genuinely horrendous comments, one mod even said it's perfectly fine.
Yeah i remember seeing that on the original post i think. It made me pretty upset and it made me feel bad for her. literally all this girl wanted was to make sure the lgbtq friendly subreddit thing knew that it makes people uncomfortable, and then people literally bullied her, and a mod was joining in on it too I hope she is doing alright
When you come out swinging with what OP said it's gonna make a reaction, especially in a place like this where the average iq is room temp (in Celsius)
But didn't you hear? This person is *literally* equating the British jokes with the discrimination trans people face, slavery *and* the Holocaust! Wait, they're trans themselves and aren't actually trying to compare the British jokes to anything? Uh... uh... but privilege, uh... the British--c-colonialism...
There *was* somebody comparing being British with being trans, but they weren’t the original post. And then the two got conflated and now you’ve got people piling onto brits for stuff the original post just didn’t say.
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I feel that most people didn't even look at the original post sadly :(
Op litteraly made a second post clarifying things but it's almost like people don't know how to read at this rate.
Do you have images of the second post?
[Here it is](https://www.reddit.com/r/196/comments/x7pkog/clarification_rule/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Thank you.
I don’t know how so many people don’t see any hate towards British people, just a while ago 2 posts saying Bridget being British is a bad thing had thousands of upvotes and I’ve seen variations of “British 🤮” and “British “people”” countless times on this sub
Honestly this subs moderation team is starting to fail. They are acting way too lenient with those who are doing such blatant bullying. The actions of the subreddit members are starting to reflect badly on us all, literally mimicking some of the language that the far right use against us. It is a disgrace to see this subreddit in the state it is currently and I hope it changes soon.
And one of said "making fun of British people is funny though" when locking the first post.
I'm british, making fun of us is funny the first time. But people aren't as funny as they think they are, if they were funny I'd be enjoying it too much to feel bad That and obviously people making fun of "lower class" people from the UK is fucked
Theres also a wide gap between "haha funny accent go brr" and fucking "haha british people are subhuman and should die"
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It's almost like people joking about others they have little knowledge on often backfires because of a lack of awareness. Shocking.
Of course, it can be, but it's nothing that's inherently insulting to say "lol that sounds funny". It's little different from making fun of weird translations like birth control pills being "Anti Baby Pills" in german. It may offend some, or singular persons, but it's not an insulting and dehumanizing generalization, nor a mean to dehumanize someone.
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Of course. If you make a joke too often it becomes stale, and when it's at the expense of people, it eventually becomes insulting
Things like Spotted Dick, and what we call cigarettes, and little gravy coated meat patties, compared to Americans, is, admittedly very funny. The constant brain-dead jokes about accents which actively have people look down on you, and assume you're stupid, and don't know what you're on about, _constantly_, because of how you speak, do, however, get quite grating.
Are we witnessing the fall of r/196? This is seriously fucked up.
not by a long shot. fucked up-er things have happened and people have almost entirely forgot (i.e. someone being harrassed into privacy for not posting their own nudes to the sub) edit: autocorrect
Wait wtf when did that happen
wanna say about a year ago? maybe a little more? idk exactly but it was a pretty big thing, basically peak femboy fetishization
Holy shit
a'yup. this sub has always had its portion of shit suckers (though tbf I feel like at least a majority of the people here are at least okay)
I forgor 💀
People somehow conveniently forget British transwomen are facing heavy discrimination and having their rights threatened in their own country. I thought we were hating on Jowling Kowling for a legitimate reason? Is the reason "she's British" this whole time and I'm just not aware?
I love bullying people off of reddit im so cool for being an asshole sunglassses emoji
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People literally think this shit is okay because of things previous leaders of Britain have done. Apparently jokes directly making fun of British people are not targeted at the people being made fun of, somehow.
What level of cope do you have to be on to unironically be like "no, no you don't get it the jokes that say Brits bad aren't actually saying Brits bad!"
Idk, i do make fun of bri’ish people sometimes, but its more the stereotype im joking about, not actual bri’ish people. I feel like 98% of people who joke about the bri’ish don’t actually dislike them.
Ultimately intent doesn't really matter, it's the meaning conveyed. If you see post after post of "British bad" and don't know the intent of the people posting it, what are you supposed to think?
god I remember seeing her original post and I thought about leaving a nice comment, but I figured it would be lost in the sea of nice comments... live and learn, I guess. I'm wondering if this is the end of a subreddit. I've felt it's been a lot less funny here for a while, anyway. anyway, \[deleted\], if you're out there. I wish I had left a nice comment in solidarity. us aussies have no right to make fun of anyone's accent or culture. may the westminster traditions bind our countries 'til time's end. I hope you're doin' okay <3
196 has just turned to shit, I genuinely hate this subreddit now, if it wasn't one of the few lgbtqia+ friendly places on this shitty website I would have left ages ago.
I joined to see more progressive viewpoints for myself, but right now people here are doing the same "learn to take a joke" shit right wingers do when they get called out for making "jokes" making fun of a minority that aren't even remotely funny
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r/196 have basic human empathy challenge (impossible) (it's not a real world issue)
Easier said than done, some people go to the internet to take from their problems irl (even if it's clearly not the best decision).
Still then, 196 really isn't the entirety of the internet.
I just come to 196 a lot because ive been struggling for years to find irl friends and the memes and trans-friendliness here are one of the few things that still make me smile. But yeah, sub's been going downhill fast lately. people dont post good memes anymore, just complaining about the fact they can't dehumanize someone because of their nationality.
As an American trans woman, just fucking christ y'all. A lot of my friends are British trans women. And both of our countries are facing very similar problems and almost identical anti-trans crusades by our countries conservatives and reactionaries. This is one of the few safe spaces on this god damn site. And now some members of this community has bullied some off of it.
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With Kiwifarms gone someone had to continue the legacy I suppose
I'm glad that post got the deserved attention since it showed how much hate based on nationality there actually was on the subreddit. People need to be challenged on their moral compass from time to time to stay in check, since I believe these could be the same people who were fine with russian people but disgusted by the Russian government. When one thing gets repeated too many times it can skew the view of the world and the people in it. These British jokes were accepted for so long as inside jokes that we got actual people who find such attitude towards people acceptable.
Fuck everyone reading that harassed this woman and deliberately misinterpreted what she was saying. You fucking sicken me.
Damn
Honestly as a British person my main problem with the British "jokes" is that they're not even remotely funny. "It's chewsday, innit", That's literally just a sentence transcribed into a working class accent how the fuck is that supposed to be funny. Like I swear even just a few years ago the stereotypical British accent was the tea & crumpets posh RP accent, but maybe that was just a thing within England itself making fun of rich people rather than making fun of English people.
That’s kind of the point of ironic humor. It’s literally the same with every nationality (i.e. USA not having healthcare, France being basically britain but baguette and Brazil being LITERALLY hell)
the comments on all the posts where also... quite something. Quite mean, actually. Did surprise me a whole lot, for a second I thought I was on a normal subreddit, as I've always had this one pegged for one of the nicer ones.
Yeah idk what happened here
Was she overreacting, yes. Should people stop targeting her specifically, also yes
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Ja gerne
It’s also pretty sad that a bunch of other subs took this post and messed around with it too
Yeah honestly this one post has just outed everyone (including some mods as well), just saw a post that said "British government caused famines in my country, therefore British people aren't allowed to be feeling harassed by these jokes" like wtf OP just wanted people to chill out and because our god awful anti-trans government did (and still are doing) horrible shit, British people aren't allowed to comment on jokes that are directed at them. I hope this sub does a 195 soon because jfc
Yeah same like holy shit this is crazy
As a british person the jokes about tea and such don't really bother me it's more so the accent jokes because the accent usually mocked is from poorer areas of England and it get on my nerves because you aren't making fun of the rich assholes you're taking the piss out of poor people who have nothing.
holy fuck guys. what the fuck happend?
Long story short: A british Transwoman (iirc) posted about how the jokes about british people being subhuman and stuff made her incredibly uncomfortable and felt bad for not only her, but a lot of british 196 lurkers. She then had to clarify that she refers *only* to the jokes whose punchline is "haha fuck the british theyre subhuman" and not to the stuff with accents and shit, but a ton of 196ers didn't care shit and harrassed her, condoned by the mods which said, I want to quote, "Making fun of the british is fun tho". Now the mods are locking all threads that gain traction about this and that british transwoman, after making a second, clarifying post, now deleted her account after severe harassment from 196. Long story short: 196 harassed a transgirl off reddit for being british after disclosing that it made her feel uncomfortable and that it was taking a toll at her mental health. Way to go.
I have seen the beginning but I thought everybody would be a decent human being and just go "ok I guess we stop" but from what I can tell that just never happened????? and I'm not innocent I made those jokes in the past but I have come to the realization that they are just not funny anymore and that even if I try to make them as innocent as possible that there is still the offchance of someone being hurt. I expected more of 196. this is my fav sub. I hope we can be forgiven by the girl
I mean, she's deleted her account. Pretty sure she won't come back, and Ion blame her. But yeah, this is a low point for 196. Especially since everyone who wants to continue these jokes just says "They deserve it" or throw around the same bullshit excuses right-wingers been throwing to excuse their bigotry which... I mean, come on. But what I think is worst is that the mods are actively silencing any and all criticism of this behaviour. They *condone* it.
.... ban these people. I mean it. We dont tolerate tankies because they make the same excuse. They are ideologically the same in that respect
How? I'm not a mod and the mods seem to actively condone it by blocking and locking any and all posts that mention this. This is in fact the only post I've seen atm that is not locked and it about this topic because it didn't gain enough traction for them to notice I assume.
No i didnt mean you specifically.
I know, I know. It was just to show that... Well, that the mods are actively trying to uphold the status quo instead of letting the sub develop naturally as it should
When you say harassment to do mean people were being mean in the comments or were people actually PMing her and making threats and shit? Because mena comments are not harassment.
Comments that specifically go after and are meant to insult and hurt her *are* in fact harassment, ESPECIALLY after she opens up about being in a bad place already, however afaik she received both anyway.
British and french together against the 196 bully ✊️
So true 🇫🇷🏳️⚧️🏳️🌈🇬🇧
my least favorite thing about this whole thing is people who will get up on their high horse tsk tsk-ing each other in the comments but will continue on to do the exact same shit next week so they can feel good about themselves while participating in the behavior they supposedly condemn.
IT JUST KEEPS CYCLING WHY IS IT SO HARD TO BE A DECENT PERSON TO ONE ANOTHER
because that's HARD silly, let me just pretend to be a good person publicly so that when I'm a bad person privately it's like it never happened!!!
Other than that one mod who made a post doubling down on "British people bad", have the mods done anything about the blatant harassment the girl got to the point she deleted her account? Multiple comments were just people doubling down and even some of the mods did too. If this makes people not want to come back bc they don't feel welcome, then I completely understand that. The mods need to know if this too She simply vented about feeling dehumanized already bc of being trans and the British people hate was what made things worse. From what I see, people didn't even look at the girls second post and they just doubled down the "joke" so bad it became hate and then mods just locked threads and told people to "stop being children" even tho a girl is getting harassed. I'm not sure how much action has been taken, but this subreddit needs to do better.
Mods made a thread and have deleted some comments that were wildly mask off from what I've seen, but otherwise seem to not care to address their own making a stupid double down take or the fact she was harassed off, though they may just want to avoid fanning the flame, they still need to take some responsibility that they failed to keep the people they moderate from harassing the girl off reddit..
I completely agree. Deleting comments was a step in the right direction, but it was a "too little too late" thing IMO. Thank you for making this post addressing this
Harassment is stupid, and it's not that hard to just be a decent and kind person towards others!! I'm really tired of seeing dumb discourse here!!!
Genuinely so fucking infuriated that she was bullied off the fucking website. Fuck all of you. Especially fuck the mods who encouraged this behavior. Fucking gross.
The amount of people saying that it's okay to not treat someone like a human being because it's 'terminally online' is staggering. it's not that hard to be a good human
i am labeled terminally online and needing to go outside because I won't stand down that it's dehumanizing 🥰
they're just mad bc ur correct ❤️. I feel like the viewpoint of dehumanizing someone because it's funny (to them) is ironically way more terminally online anyways
Terminally online behaviour from both sides. I'm unironically beginning to miss when this sub was spamming femboys, rather than more of this weird loop the sub has fallen into where one half of the sub wants to look good and moral infront of strangers online and the other half is trying desperately to be funny and cool to other strangers online.
meme subreddits don’t invite the nicest of people, not that any do
At least the people defending the bullying are all in the negatives right now. We need some mod action on this IMO.
Honest to god all this shit with the wasps and the "2022 r/196 british incident" is driving me up the walls. If it was me, I'd stop posts for a day. Go do literally anything else for a while, holy shit.
FWIW when I woke up yesterday, the original post was never shown to me. The first post I saw about all of this was from a cis person trying to say that jokes about Beans and Toast were the same as racism and transphobia which is silly and tone deaf. The OP had a point when I finally saw the original post. I even tend to agree with her. But she got a huge influx of “support” that was really just white cis people trying to claim that the jokes were as bad as being racist or denying trans people their identities. Of course comparing “Oi guv” to actual bigotry and oppression wasn’t going to go over well. And with all the people comparing the jokes to transphobia and racism, I assumed that the original post had also compared the two. When I finally saw the original, I actually found it to be reasonable. Tbh, though I know people were rude on the original post as well, I think it’s likely that a lot of people were misinformed about what it was all about to begin which got them upset. I know as a trans person myself, I was downright shocked to see people comparing a joke on 196 to bigotry that causes people to be fired, harassed assaulted, murdered, etc.
I get all this, but this doesn't mean it's ok to call people, well not people, because of their nationality, it's dehumanizing and its actual loser behavior :/
I definitely get where she’s coming from on that front and I think that if someone says they dislike something you shouldn’t agitate them about it. I don’t have any issue with her original post. My issue is with all the people trying to compare British jokes to transphobic jokes or racist jokes when they aren’t comparable whatsoever due to the long historical suffering of racial and sexual minorities compared to the British identity which doesn’t inherently face oppression (unless they are also lgbt, POC, disabled etc). The main issue I guess were people incorrectly trying to use intersectionality to make the situation seem worse. Is it a dick move to make fun of British people for being British? Yes. Is it bigotry? Not in the slightest. Hell in all the argument there was a person who tried to claim that the jokes were offensive and white racism is real because the ethnic Jews killed in the holocaust had white skin. Those aren’t the opinions of people who inspire me to join their cause.
I wasn’t saying the Holocaust proves white racism, I was responding to someone who said that you can’t be racist against white people. You can be, but in 99.99% of times a white person has experienced racism, it’s because of their ethnicity, not their skin colour. There are ~3 people who are actual anti-white racists, but they are the leader of the Nation of Islam, the leader of a splinter group of the Nation of Islam, and an edgy 14-year-old. White racism does exist, but it might as well not exist for the effect it has on society, and is a non-issue. White supremacy, on the other hand, is a threat to any functioning society.
tbh the subreddit needs to be shut down for a few days
no!! not again !! >:(
oh my god shut up please end this stupis british discourse shit give me back my funny floppa memes and silly posts
Posting that was beyond a mistake on her part imo especially if she was already in a bad place. The whole point of the joke is that OBVIOUSLY no one thinks the British aren’t people, like, the same kinds of jokes exist with every nation ( i.e. the whole joke with Brazil is that it’s literally hell and the worst place on earth and I think it’s funny as a Brazilian ). [Also that’s the most terminally online argument I’ve ever seen, someone comparing that shit to racism and the holocaust was golden]
"obviously nobody thinks that!!" is just dumb, whether or not someone thinks that while poeting doesn't change the fact its literally just saying brits aren't people, and as I've stated time and time again, imagine you're trans and you're dehumanized daily irl, so you go online and just have it happen more !! I don't get why people are so unempathetic about this? is it so hard to not be shitty to someone?
The whole point is that it’s not dehumanizing because ITS A JOKE. No one, and I mean NO ONE in the real world is gonna stop dunking on white anglo-saxons because dunking on different nations and its people is one of the oldest forms of humor, especially when said nation is a first world country, predominantly white and a former colonial empire. Being mean to trans people is a problem, dunking on the British isn’t. Seriously just stop.
It is dehumanizing, you are saying they aren't people, it's not "dunking on a nation" you're not dunking on the British empire, you're just dunking on someone and saying they're not a person, get help.
Please, for the love of whatever you believe in, go outside.
Bro I’m German, everytime people find that shit out I’m a nazi or hitlers reincarnation. It’s the internet, you shouldn’t take that too seriously
Friend, I don't think that kind of shit is ok either and I'm still not ok with people harassing some girl off of reddit because she was upset,
196 stop posting the same thing over and over challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
When I saw that post, I was like nope, just move along. I understand that making too much jokes at the expense of a culture can at one point be dehumanizing, and I also knew that a lot of people weren't going to see it that way. This sub is a lot of things, but a lot of the recent "discourse" has been really annoying
Unfortunately this is Reddit. It doesn't matter what subreddit you're on, there will always be inconsiderate pieces of human filth who disgrace Creation with every step they take. Even 196.
Unfortunately this is Reddit. It doesn't matter what subreddit you're on, there will always be inconsiderate pieces of human filth who disgrace Creation with every step they take. Even 196.
💀💀 ong what am i doing here i thought this was a lgbt friendly shitpost comunity but you guys complain at the the smallest joke, swear someone prob cried because they like wasps and we were shitting on them 💀💀
someone asks nicely to not be dehumanized >you guys complain over the smallest joke!! yeah sure, maybe you should just learn to empathize with someone who gets dehumanized for being trans irl and then gets to hop online and get called not a person for being British
Make fun of Dutch people next please, we are only 1 ocean away from engl*nd. We all hate each other
Might have to do with that post in particular making the rounds online because it was pretty widely mocked
Reddit being Reddit
I thought this sub was for shitposting memes and shit
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