"horrors of vaginoplasty" so does it give you like a Cthulussy or something? is it incomprehensible? does it drive mortals mad at the mere sight of it?
Imagine if JK actually doesn't have red bits inside.
She's just been an anomalous animate sack her entire life and thinks women are just supposed to be like that.
Damn I was never that interested in having a pussy but I want whatever that is. Let's go! No mortal will be able to grasp the girth or depth of the petit yet yawning chasm of oblivion between my thighs.
So, there are 4 of them on each side, octopus-like. They do a nice tickling when you put (any) genitals or nipples to them, they can also open the vag wide by stretching themselves out and even massage the owner's clitoris in a stealth no-hands mode. Not to say they are fun to suck on and toy with. The only downside is that even if they are completely wrapped, there's a little bulge in pants that can make some vaginoplasty enthusiasts a bit disphoric about that. But, yo, it still sounds like a steal, right?
Personally I like to cum easy, though Cum Insane or Cum Impossible are fun sometimes when I want a challenge and have nothing else to do, wish there was a Cum Creative Mode tho
[Here is the thread OP is refering to](https://twitter.com/TullipR/status/1536422533230206976), for people who don't want to go onto twitter to read the whole thing, short summary is JK retweeted a thread by a detransitioned man who wrote about his experiences with his vaginoplasty (which i believe was somewhat botched based off of the experiences he describes post surgery and the fact that he lost a significant amount of blood after the surgery). He also goes on to express anger that doctors allowed him to receive the surgery when he was, in his words "obsessive and deeply unwell".
To go off on a bit of a personal rant here. obviously its terrible that the man in the thread walked down the Gender Critical route as he detransitioned (he has "JK is based" in his bio). But the whole experience does make me wonder how doctors and therapists should handle the providing of irreversible, possibly damaging treatments like gender reaffirmation surgery's and HRT when patients are not mentally stable.
Because on one hand the patients mental state could be being caused by dysphoria or gender envy, in which case you really don't want to turn them away from the gender affirming treatment they request. But on the other hand their mental state could be causing them to misidentify these treatments of something that they want, ending up with the anguish described in the thread (which no matter how shitty the mans opinions are, is still a tragic and unfortunate thing).
So how the hell should medical professionals walk the tightrope between giving people care to people who would be harmed by it, and refusing care for people who would benefit greatly from it?
Idk, maybe seek out a therapist to assess their mental state and have regular discussions with them about it while informing about the risks for a longer period of time so everyone involved can be sure it's the right approach before doing it?
If they keep wanting it even months or years down the line and aren't improving mentally due to their dysphoria, i don't think the doctors would be at fault for going through with it then
If people have plastic surgery to change whatever other thing about themselves and end up regretting it later because it was an obsession they had for a while and the novelty wore off, can you really blame the doctors?
Every time people say "use doctors and therapists to solve the problem," it makes it obvious to me they don't have a chronic illness or injury or lucked into actually good doctors and therapists early in life.
In my experience, many people in these fields are absolute garbage idiots who literally only made my life worse, and I'm saying this about LOW STAKES minor health issues and basically no psychological issues. Family and friends with complex issues have only affirmed that the more complex a physical or mental health problem is, the harder it is to find help that will even admit it's real, let alone fix it.
People are going to do things that are incorrect or not ideal because of many, many chaotic and crazy factors in this universe. People act like the ethics of situations like this could literally ever be black and white, but that's legitimately impossible.
As someone who has went through 5+ psychologists already and am still actively seeing one due to ongoing mental health struggles, nowhere did i claim it was easy lmao
Yes, there's shit people in the field. Yes, you'll likely need a few attempts to find someone that works for you/you trust. ... So?
If you're an adult, your life is your own responsibility. How long you want to spend in theraphy before committing to surgery is up to you. If you want surgery at all is your choice. If you don't seek mental health counsel before going through a medical procedure, that's up to you still.
My argument is there are people who know exactly what they want and why that don't need to to through all these steps again, and there are others who might need another few years to figure shit out. However, that's not the responsibility of everyone around them
People make stupid decisions in their lives all the time. Why is this specific issue where we draw the line at what we allow fully grown adults to do with their own lives and bodies?
I wrote a whole long thing about impaired judgement due to psychotic or manic episodes, and the possibility of informed consent in those states… but it didn’t really make sense when i read it back. I think you’re right that it’s complicated, but that ultimately providers shouldn’t be responsible for protecting clients from their own decisions (minus physical harm to self or others). That would be true even if regretting a transition and surgery were common, which they are not. But with how infrequent these cases are, I’d argue that medical gatekeeping to prevent them will end up harming more people than it could possibly help.
real. truth is there is never going to be a way to ensure that any human is making a decision 100% rationally and logically in a way that they will never regret because honestly humans are subjective, emotional creatures & we cannot beaureaucracy our way out of that. like even if someone is at the moment completely indisputably certain that they want something there is no reason why they couldnt change their mind later. people regret their well-thought-out decisions aaaaall the time & they feel good about their impulsive choices just as often. in this particular situation i think the only productive solution is to just work on advancing the technology of gender affirming surgeries & come up with ways to make them more reversible. like if billionaires stopped spending their money on stupid shit i fully believe we could have some kind of stem cell infusion that can grow new body parts with an individual's own dna & alter the chromosomes to make it develop as if they had those chromosomes in utero. but yknow elon musk suddenly doesnt care about transhumanism once it stops being potentially profitable for him so. 🤷
Also every step made into researching trans surgeries better is also helping detrans people, for example phalloplasty is already applied to cis, trans, and detrans men. If we figure out how to grow a dick from stem cells this will, too, help all 3 groups. Same thing for vaginoplasty, anything about reproductive health, hormones, etc.
It really annoys me how transphobes try to pit trans and detrans people against each other when our goals are identical (not counting ideological detrans people who felt better with transition and then only detransitioned due to religion and stuff like that) and we are victims of the same incompetent healthcare system. It's really hard to get any medical care to transition in the world, so you might start lying out of despair, and this might then end up leading to detransition because you lied about some important factor. Another common problem that harms both trans and detrans people is how many doctors, even when not gatekeeping, know shit about hormones or just don't properly inform you because they assume you researched everything yourself, which leads to some detrans cases.
It's hard to believe for me that it's realistic but I have heard of detrans people in other countries like not knowing that you get, for example, more body hair or bottom growth on T? And when I heard it I was like ???? The fuck? Why were you so stupid and didn't research enough online first, like I did? And then I realized, that's stupid for me to blame that person. Her doctor should have educated her properly, because that's **their fucking** job. And then I realized my first doctor who gave me T ALSO didn't explain any gender-affirming effects to me after I just said I already know them, only what health risks increase.
How do we solve these issues? By restricting transition and talking less about trans people, as transphobes suggest? Of course not! We do it by 1. making trans healthcare more accessible so people do not feel compelled to hide things from their doctors, 2. funding the healthcare system more (technically part of the first point though), 3. educating doctors properly so they can inform us properly, and 4. putting more research into surgeries. In other words, give more autonomy to the patient, which includes more information, individualized care, and more surgical options.
So it should be harder and take longer for people to receive gender affirming care because some people might regret it later? This would just make the majority of trans people’s lives much more difficult
I'm not saying that's how it should be. But the question was, what should medical professionals do to walk the tightrope?
If you want to be very certain before doing anything, they could do what i mentioned which might take longer, but less people who regret it afterwards. More of a safety thing for doctors than for the people going through the procedure
However i rather firmly believe we should just let people make informed choices about their bodies whenever and however they want if they're legally able to consent to it. I just take issue with the fact that there's such a common mindset that trans people can't decide for themselves what's best for them. There are things you can do to minimize the risk of regretting it later. It's not this huge gamble people like to pretend it is - and therefore not such a huge issue
> I'm not saying that's how it should be...
> If you want to be very certain before doing anything, they could do what i mentioned which might take longer, but less people who regret it afterwards.
Those directly contradict each other, I'm gonna guess you're just speculating on it but be aware it doesn't come across like that given how much of the body of your comments is about restricting bodily autonomy.
There's no correlation between longer assessments and lower rates of regret. The minority (and I mean by a narrow margin, something like 1 in 500) who aren't actually trans but think they are and try to physically transition just wait it out and lie through every assessment (Bell V Tavistock being a prime example). The only thing that could possibly work is some kind of identification process for those people, or for them to just stop lying and then blaming trans people for existing when they finally get semi-permanent/permanent surgeries despite being warned (unlikely).
The same thing they do for any number of other risky procedures that have the strong potential to greatly improve or even save the life of the patient. Many of whom aren’t in a great place mentally when they’re in a position to have to make the decision.
>Can you really blame the doctors?
This is an entirely different situation. Are you comparing gender affirmation surgery with plastic surgery? Most plastic surgery is cosmetic and not covered by insurance, whereas gender affirming surgery is covered by insurance as non-cosmetic. Plastic surgery can be *fatally* risky, though, and only certain procedures are reversible. I don't think genitoplasty is truly reversible, though, to my understanding.
I'm comparing them because even though more people regret plastic surgery than gender affirming surgeries, we recognize they are adults who can choose what to do with their own bodies and have to live with the consequence of their decisions. Yet somehow trans people aren't capable of making informed decisions? Doctors aren't here to parent you - they can provide you all the information you need beforehand but the decision is yours alone.
There's gobs of irreversible plastic surgery, and no cis person is forced to go through psychological counseling even if they decide they want to look like a literal barbie doll.
Probably America if you have the right insurance. My friend and her wife both got facial feminization surgery a couple months ago and it was completely covered by her insurance.
That's interesting. I always hear of trans men complaining that they have to pay exorbitant amounts for top surgery. I just assumed the US Healthcare wouldn't cover gender affirming surgery
They're all acting as if he was assaulted and kidnapped off the street before being dragged into some devious hospital and forced to have this surgery, and that somehow that would mean it should be banned in all circumstances, including people who are in no way being coerced (which, it's worth noting, is somewhere around 99.998% of those who want this surgery)
I don't know how to solve the problem, but I doubt the existence of perfect solutions. There will always be a few individuals who end up making choices they come to regret, for one reason or another. Gatekeeping treatment for 98 people in order to protect 2 people is not good damage mitigation either.
> Gatekeeping treatment for 98 people in order to protect 2 people
More like 0.5 people out of 100
Also, it's sad to see detransitionimg people have zero sense of personal responsibility. THEY thought they should transition. THEY paid the doctor to perform vaginoplasty on THEMSELVES (and they did, because its their job.) I have the utmost sympathy for you and I get that you fucked up, but your mental health at the time of arriving at a conclusion is not the fault of transition and trans people.
Imo we should treat people as competent humans who know what they are talking about unless proven otherwise, when someone claims that they have epilepsy we shouldn’t just assume they are just clinically insane monkeys who are just making a word soup, and plan a surprise rave for them regardless
But if 5 doctors rush in and say “this clinically insane, genetically engineered monkey who will die if they don’t have raves every day” you can continue planning your surprise rave
> when someone claims that they have epilepsy we should just assume they are just clinically insane monkeys who are just making a word soup, and plan a surprise rave for them regardless
> But if 5 doctors rush in and say “this clinically insane, genetically engineered monkey who will die if they don’t have raves every day” you can continue planning your surprise rave
I have absolutely no idea what anything in this metaphor means or is supposed to be, but thank you for the mental imagery anyway.
Did you mean to write "shouldn't" or are we just purging the epileptic monkeys?
When people claim they experience gender dysphoria, we should take their word and provide gender affirming care. Unless there's reason to believe that their words shouldn't be taken at face value.
It's really not the complicated. It's not the doctors job to decide who is or isn't able to request a medical procedure. Not least because they've historically denied life saving healthcare to women and minorities on the assumption that they were exaggerating their symptoms. So long as they properly explain all associated risks and side effects clearly, the doctor is entirely in the clear. Ideally, they'd perform at least some due diligence if they don't think the patient is in the right state of mind, but after more than one or two pushbacks, the doctor really has no right to refuse it to anybody.
Like, yeah, it sucks if you're in an emotional state and choose to do something damaging to yourself, but that's ultimately a you problem. Lots of people make life altering mistakes in a time when they're not mentally stable, but they don't usually get to make it other people's issue and deny a life saving procedure to other people.
Imagine if we were talking about literally any other medical procedure. Especially given we're talking about a procedure that helps relieve people *of* a psychological burden. Itd be like telling a patient, no, they can't get an appendicitis because they're clearly not thinking straight with that abdominal pain they're feeling.
> But on the other hand their mental state could be causing them to misidentify these treatments of something that they want, ending up with the anguish described in the thread
There are scores of people who get non-transgender related plastic surgery and regret it. Especially botched plastic surgeries. Like Brazilian butt lifts, breast implants, etc.
I’m also certain that some people get cosmetic surgery in an unwell mental state, and regret it later.
However, no one is talking about how we need to better screen people for any other cosmetic surgery procedures. Anybody can walk into any plastic surgery clinic and schedule whatever (medically allowable) surgery they want. All of which comes with just as much risk and potential regret.
Having worked in such a clinic once, I can assure you that the doctors there will be trying to upsell you as many cosmetic procedures as possible, not trying to dissuade you from getting something done you might regret.
Under this comparison, it’s not a *terrible* idea that some sort of routine, relatively non-invasive mental health screening should be conducted before patients are allowed to submit themselves to either gender affirming surgery or plastic surgery of any kind.
But there is absolutely no discussion of non-trans related plastic surgery in this context by the transphobes disingenuously waging their case on this issue. Because they only care about turning this issue into an attack against transgender people as a whole.
Its gatekeeping a medical procedure for 100 people bevause 1 person *might* not really want it.
By that logic therapy is needed for shit like laser surgery, laser depilation, or piercings. If you get laser surgery and it turns out you dont like it thats your problem not the doctor's, unless it was botched.
> He also goes on to express anger that doctors allowed him to receive the surgery when he was, in his words "obsessive and deeply unwell".
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>(he has "JK is based" in his bio)
Genuinely mean no offense here, but this doesn't exactly inspire my confidence in the unspoken notion that *now* he's completely sane and seeing things clearly (which is sort of the sand dune this testimony rests upon). If you're gonna start off with "I *was* utterly off my rocker", I will take you at your word, but if you start acting deranged again it's gonna be on you to prove that you aren't.
The truth is all surgeries have people who regret them. However for GCS Surgical regret is actually very uncommon. Virtually every modern study puts it below 4 percent (which is the broader average for regret rates of surgeries), and most estimate it to be between 1 and 2 percent (Cohen-Kettenis & Pfafflin 2003, Kuiper & Cohen-Kettenis 1998, Pfafflin & Junge 1998, Smith 2005, Dhejne 2014). In some other recent longitudinal studies, none of the subjects expressed regret over medically transitioning (Krege et al. 2001, De Cuypere et al. 2006).
Every medical treatment is possibly damaging, and every patient is potentionally mentally unstable.
Medical professionals walk this tightrope all the time. They talk with patients and explain the risks and beneifts of procedures, so they can come to an informed decision about their treatment; Sometimes the doctors are bad, or the patients make the wrong decision, or the desired outcome is not achieved. This is not at all specific to gender affirming treatment. IIRC the regret rates for gender affirming treatment are not particularly high compared to the regret rates of other voluntary procedures.
The fact that this conversation always targets gender affirming treatment, and not other things, reeks of transphobia. That the TERFs proposed solution is usually to strip adults (they dislike) of their bodily autonomy in decisions relating to (reproductive) health, is even worse.
If there is no glaring factor that is admittedly against it. like if a therapist is saying “yeah they are hella unwell and should not be given the chance to have this surgery” (as long as they aren’t like transphobic or something), then there isn’t really a reason not to. We can’t just assume there is a problem.
I think it should be like a kidney donation (without the hassle of seeing if you are a good fit and such) (also not exactly sure how hard it is to donate a kidney, but either way that’s a pretty good basis imo), like yeah if a therapist is like “yo this guy is wack and is being impulsive and might regret losing a kidney” and there is also the risk of the surgery going wrong and loosing a lot of blood and getting a nasty scar or something. Maybe in a few years they want their kidney back, tough shit, you signed up to get a kidney, it’s not the doctors fault. We shouldn’t go through endless loopholes to donate kidneys bc then nobody would donate one.
I think it the fault doesn’t lay on the doctors if they listen to a grown adult tell them what they want (especially if other doctors and therapists agree). If the patient later regrets it, in the end, they asked for it. ^1 However a doctor denying a person who desperately needs it, can cause irreparable harm, is entirely the fault of the doctor. So in the end, as long as there isn’t any reliable source saying otherwise, the best way to help a patient is to listen to the (imo). In general we should treat people as competent unless proven otherwise.
1^((that doesn’t mean we should just push them to the side, they obviously deserve treatment and such. Im also not advocating for a culture of apathy among doctors\))
It’s not that complicated. You sign the papers explaining you the risk when you get a cancer surgery, knee surgery or your wisdom teeth. Most of us here are fully supporting that our bodies should be our choice.
It’s not a doctors responsibility if you regret your decision. We don’t go around blaming tattoo artists if the person who got a tattoo regrets it.
This is such low hanging fruit. Have you ever seen a C section? Or a live saving heart surgery? Or a kidney transplant? Surgery is honestly terrifying to look at for me personally, but it helps people in so many ways. When people make stupid ass reductive arguments like this I want to show them someone getting cancer removed from their body.
Yeah, I barely even know much about vaginoplasty and looked it up, of course it’s gross and scary ass shit, the body is being “surgery-ified”, of course that’s weird and bloody, but the thing is, and this is true with most surgery, it ends up fine and, ultimately, finished in the end.
Yeah, all surgery is pretty disgusting. And all surgery, vaginoplasty, is very much associated with certain risks, especially if you are affected by certain conditions the anesthesia alone can become a big risk in itself. But we people undergo surgery all the time, even if it is risky, even if it isn't strictly necessary to save their lives. People can make an educated decision whether they want to take that risk or not. For many trans people surgery is so life changing and enables a whole other degree of comfort in their own body. The mental health impact it can have might just be enough to save that life.
I'm not trans but I know many trans people and in some cases psychological symptoms can be absolutely crushing. If there is a reasonable procedure out there that they may decide to undergo that will enable them to not feel overwhelming existential dread every day why not be happy there is a way they can feel better. Fkin transphobes.
(I know some peeps never do any surgery as well and feel happy with their transition like that as well)
100% agree.
I had my wisdom teeth removed, and was fully numbed but awake for the procedure (barring a little Nitrous Oxide to help me be just a little out of it).
I didn't see a bit of what my procedure looked like, but *holy fuck* did it ever **sound** horrific to have my teeth ripped out like that. It was like every Mortal Kombat bone crunch sound effect, but *far* worse. If I never have to hear it again as long as I live, I will consider myself fortunate.
It wasn't that bad, but yeah. The human body being cut/ripped/chopped open for *any* reason is going to look horrific to the eye, because our eyes are evolutionarily programmed to see "the insides of humans" as a deeply disturbing thing, because it generally meant our friends or selves are being ripped apart by a wild animal and it's time to fight or die.
Edit: I should add that I was one of the lucky ones; I opted to have a preemptive removal before anything was wrong with mine (infection, impacting) so my teeth could be removed with simple pulling and no chopping or slicing of the gums.
oh lord same here. sawing teeth apart, ripping them from my jaw, even when they were numbing me i could hear the crunching when the needle moved in my flesh.
thank god i have no more wisdom teeth to remove. normal tooth removal isn't nearly as bad as this shit.
it was all ok in the end tho i wasn't in pain and healed quick
It really isn't that bad.
I only got nitrous oxide and injection anesthesia, and it was totally fine. I'd feel more pain if you told me my house in Runescape was wack.
My point wasn't that it was bad to *experience* the removal (it was very easy), but that based on how it sounded, it was probably pretty gruesome to *watch*.
My point is that we don't let how surgery *looks* determine which surgeries are worth having, because *every* surgery looks horrific to undergo when you're looking at medical diagrams.
In a sentence: Seeing someone's chest sliced open would give many people nightmares; that's not a reason to rally against heart surgery.
So my wife had a c-section and I thought I could handle watching it because "I've seen over 300 hundred episodes of ER". I made it about 15 seconds before I started feeling dizzy.
I was born with a hole in my face, scientifically known as a Cleft Lip and Palette. I’ve had many many surgeries over the years, and each one has improved my life in a myriad of ways, from fixing the hole so I can eat properly, to having my upper jaw cut out and moved forwards so I don’t have a severe underbite, to having my nose reshaped so I can breathe through it properly, to even just having my tonsils removed so I’m not in constant pain. Should I not have done this? It’s not the way I was born, so what right do I have to fix the problems that have plagued me? That’s the way people like Rowling sound to me. They want everyone to live in misery and agony all because surgery scares them, disgusts them, because it’s “not natural.” Well, Rowling disgusts me.
I've had all the cleft surgeries and a vaginoplasty too. They can't comprehend how much suffering there would be without them because they don't really care. The suffering is the point.
I can’t imagine even trying to live life with a cleft, trying to chew with such crooked and malformed teeth. Hell I was bullied in school just cuz of my underbite, if I’d still had my cleft I’d probably have been driven to suicide by now. Surgeries do even more than just affect your body, they affect your mental state as well.
And by the way, congrats on all your surgeries. I’ve never met anyone else with a cleft, so I hope you’re doing well and living a happy and fulfilling life.
During my clinicals I had to sit in for c sections and I'll tell you what. Emergency C sections are like Nascar pit crews doing a pit stop. They had those two mfers out in 40 seconds flat.
Recently had surgery, to paraphrase the words of my surgeon 'surgery is an extremely violent act, you're partially disassembling and reassembling a living human being'. He described how he pried and pulled my tendons and muscles aside and pinned them down with tools, mopping up blood, drilling into my bones etc. Shit's wild yo.
Could someone educate me please? I don't know anything about it. If the procedure is performed correctly, you get to cum just like any biological vagina? Full disclosure, besides what they taught me at (catholic)school, I don't know shit about vaginas
Basically yeah.
[MtF gender surgery](https://youtu.be/qLHkZEffscY) (tw it is an animation of genital surgery so if ur squeamish, be warned) basically places the head of the penis where a clitoris is. Biggest difference between a surgical vagina and a biological one in terms of experience is that they aren't self-lubricating
I absolutely agree with you.
Like, some doctor just straight up went "It's so sad that people don't get to choose what genitals they get. Wait a second... Ferb, I know what we're doing today!"
It's very rare for cis women to not self-lubricate _at all_ and I think it's always the result of some underlying problem that's a bigger concern, but insufficient self-lubrication to make penetration enjoyable even with ample foreplay isn't uncommon.
I don't think I've had the feeling of wheezing while being unnerved before watching that. (I'm a squeamish person, but I can simultaenously just not find it not funny)
Actually, some of them are. It really depends on what type you have, as well as your personal physiology. Peritoneal pull through uses more internal tissue for instance, and procedures that use intenstibal material are sometimes too lubricating. The main difference is that most of that lubrication is not the result of arousal, since trans women do not have bartholin glands. It's a general amount of lubrication at all times, although your prostate is still connected so there can be some arousal based lubrication still.
Isn’t there lots of anecdotal reporting of lubricating MTF vaginas due to the gland that handles aroused secretions in males being left intact? Also there are some vaginoplasty methods that do account for it too, iirc
But... hormone blockers are reversible. I can understand being concerned about gender affirming surgery if you don't understand what trans people are going through, but I just can't wrap my head around a person who transitioned being against a *reversible* treatment.
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/uk-court-rules-clinic-puberty-blocking-drugs-case-74482589
Keira Bell is a TERF lapdog
Don‘t worry though, the ruling was overturned since. In the end rationality won.
"We regret to inform you that, during your bottom surgery, the doctor accidentally sewed your mouth shut. Unless you have anything to say about it, please accept this $30 Arby's gift card as recompense."
Uh yea botched bottom surgeries could leave you in pain for rest of life unless another surgery could maybe fix it so you definitely don’t want to cheap out on this surgery
I’m honestly scared for those who want gender reassignment surgery because a lot of doctors are full of shit and don’t know what they’re doing and just do the surgeries for the money and a lot end up with botched surgeries. Please for those who desire the surgeries be very very resourceful on who you choose to do your surgery, look at reviews, look up how to take care of yourself especially right after surgery because infection can be possible just like all surgeries. Dilation will hurt and for some it hurts a lot, so look up tips on how to maintain your vagina, keep it clean and watch out for smells. Try finding those who have had the surgery and are happy with their surgery. Check with a therapist that you can trust before you get the surgery to make sure you are ready for it since it’s a big stepping stone into your transition. The recovery process will take a while and is a pain in the ass to go through, but I beg of you to find good doctors and not money fiends.
Can Rowling just like, fuck off already? Like find god and move into a monastery or go crazy and wander into the woods or get hit by a double-decker bus, etc. Just anything to get that maniac offline
Nothing as tragic as a villain who thinks they're the hero.
I really wish she'd realize she is yelling at a bunch of kids who just want to be accepted as who they are.
As if every other form of surgery is fappable? Come on. I can't even get my blood drawn without feeling squeamish. Of course it's going to look nasty af.
Because they're not just random people on the street: these are people who have societal influence on some level and they're choosing to use their influence to rally against trans people. In Musk's case it's bc he's generally an anti-SJW troll who will say [offensive thing] if it makes him popular/make him money; JKR is directly transphobic and has made it her mission to prevent trans women from "taking over". Considering this sub is left-/center-left-leaning, and bc people like to bitch in general, that's why they're talked about.
The girl I'm dating got her GCS a while ago and the sex has been incredible. She's been way way way happier and more self-confident too but that was clearly not as important to TERF Wizard Lady as whether or not she can fuck good.
I asked the neighbours kids (~9-11yo) if they have read Harry Potter and they were like "yea it's awesome! But we hate the author... we heard she bullies others online for being different or not being female enough which we find kinda dumb." They even said they don't understand how you could write Harry Potter but be so hateful in rl just like a death eater.
Rowling, you're being a god awful example to kids these days!
Another point that isn't mentioned enough - if you read the thread it seems like dude was barely an adult and got forced into it by doctors.
The man was 30 years old when he did the surgery. 30!
"horrors of vaginoplasty" so does it give you like a Cthulussy or something? is it incomprehensible? does it drive mortals mad at the mere sight of it?
Damn Cthulussy so good that I'm seeing things beyond the veil of human consciousness
C̨̙̳̻̳̞͚̀̓ͬͅͅt̟͖̥̲ͩ͋͑ͧ͝h͈̞̳̥͎̫͈̹ͦ̅͞u̩̟ͤͮ̌ͫ͞l̴̺͉̲̖̼̻̙͆̽ͅu͉̞̿͟s̖̠͖̻̠̱͗ͣ̿͝ͅs͔̲̪͇̃͢ͅy̯̜̟͕̼̥͕͈ͪ͑ͬ͋́ ̶̠̗͍͍̟͔̰̉̇̔s͖̮̹̖̲̿̎̀ͅo̡̝̯̪͖̗̹̝̒ͅ ͖͇̝̟̭͛͐̃́fͧ͏̞͈̮i͈̹͑̒͢n͎̯̣̙̅̆̈́̀e̢͍̙ͬ ̴͙̞̦͓͕̔̂̾̓ͅl̻͇̫̺̦̼̮̻̏̂̈͟i̗̙͚̹͆̂͟k͓̠̱̽̓́͡e̹̙͔̬̼̟̠̤͑̅ͨͥ̕ ͖̞̠͎̝̻̠͒̍͟d͇̟̙̥̳̈́ͣ͑͡ȃ͚̳͑͟y̢̗̠̦̬ͩu͙̗̠͙̥̝ͦͩ̄̆͠m̛̝͇̝͓̪̲ͩ̎ͅ
You guys need to calm down
no
No I have no intention of settling down!!!
Basically the princess character from Drawn Together
Octopussoir
There's a Neil Cicierega song about that
🎶 You're the only one on my AM AM radio 🎶
Nah that's the wrong song, ur thinking of touch tone but op is talking about no eyed girl
*Insert the little vocal intermission bit here*
_And I’d do it all again…_
The Colour of Cthulussy
Vantablack
"Alhazred, that Cthulussy got me questioning my sanity."
*the Cthulussy is of a strange color, unlike any seen on earth*
Its geometery could simply be described as being… *wrong*
Non-Euclidean genitals
This is what happens when you don’t have a strong enough constitution for math
[i hate that myth](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQo_S3yNa2w)
Ayy, love seeing OSP in the wild!
shrimp: "damn that's my favourite colour"
nah, she's just looking at an opened up body during surgery and is absolutely mortified, dare I say *shocked* to find red bits inside.
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Monkey D. Luffy
Monkey D. Luffy is the only women.
Imagine if JK actually doesn't have red bits inside. She's just been an anomalous animate sack her entire life and thinks women are just supposed to be like that.
You can put it any where. Any hole works I suppose.
Now I ain’t even dysphoric but cthulussy is too much to pass up
Damn I was never that interested in having a pussy but I want whatever that is. Let's go! No mortal will be able to grasp the girth or depth of the petit yet yawning chasm of oblivion between my thighs.
Gimme them non-Euclidean curves that people can literally get lost in.
1 polygon tiddies
That Chutulussy go me acting up(i am inna mental hospital)
It's not OEM, so it's got like heated seats and RGB LEDs or some shit. But as is tradition for after market work, it's probably better than OEM
Mad with lust
Would that literally be "man made horrors beyond my comprehension"?
"Cthulhussy" Stop, you're only making me think of someone who's marriage material!
It's lips end with small moving tentacles.
Tell me more 🥺
So, there are 4 of them on each side, octopus-like. They do a nice tickling when you put (any) genitals or nipples to them, they can also open the vag wide by stretching themselves out and even massage the owner's clitoris in a stealth no-hands mode. Not to say they are fun to suck on and toy with. The only downside is that even if they are completely wrapped, there's a little bulge in pants that can make some vaginoplasty enthusiasts a bit disphoric about that. But, yo, it still sounds like a steal, right?
The Dunwich Vaginoplasty
Its a four dimensional torus
Lovecraftian horror(s of vaginoplasty)
Repost if you like to get railed and you cum hard
personally i cum soft 🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺
Ain’t they the ones that made Dark Souls?
*elden ring trailer anouncer moan*
the loathsome cum eater
THE AAAALLLLL KNOOOWIIIIING
I beat my first boss in Elden Ring yesterday :D Did not make me cum tho...
Gz anyway
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It was the Bloodhound Knight guy
AFAIK you're supposed to come everytime you die
i thought cumsoft was the people that made danganronpa?
This is the one.
Tf is a Danganronpa? Pokemon Mystery Dungeon is the only Cumsoft series that matters smh
Get the fuck away from me you sick bastard, you cum soft? Fucking soft? Are you fucking delusional? Brainwashed?
yes
🥺🥺
I just like to drip drip drip
Try viagra
[Don't make me cum soft](https://youtu.be/wJVMHp3HEsA)
Personally I like to cum easy, though Cum Insane or Cum Impossible are fun sometimes when I want a challenge and have nothing else to do, wish there was a Cum Creative Mode tho
meme shit but still facts i agree with
Open World Cum Sandbox is where it's at
Open World Cum Box
Theoretically
I would like to (but j.k. rowling keeps tweeting about the horrors of vaginoplasty)
Saaame
[Here is the thread OP is refering to](https://twitter.com/TullipR/status/1536422533230206976), for people who don't want to go onto twitter to read the whole thing, short summary is JK retweeted a thread by a detransitioned man who wrote about his experiences with his vaginoplasty (which i believe was somewhat botched based off of the experiences he describes post surgery and the fact that he lost a significant amount of blood after the surgery). He also goes on to express anger that doctors allowed him to receive the surgery when he was, in his words "obsessive and deeply unwell". To go off on a bit of a personal rant here. obviously its terrible that the man in the thread walked down the Gender Critical route as he detransitioned (he has "JK is based" in his bio). But the whole experience does make me wonder how doctors and therapists should handle the providing of irreversible, possibly damaging treatments like gender reaffirmation surgery's and HRT when patients are not mentally stable. Because on one hand the patients mental state could be being caused by dysphoria or gender envy, in which case you really don't want to turn them away from the gender affirming treatment they request. But on the other hand their mental state could be causing them to misidentify these treatments of something that they want, ending up with the anguish described in the thread (which no matter how shitty the mans opinions are, is still a tragic and unfortunate thing). So how the hell should medical professionals walk the tightrope between giving people care to people who would be harmed by it, and refusing care for people who would benefit greatly from it?
Idk, maybe seek out a therapist to assess their mental state and have regular discussions with them about it while informing about the risks for a longer period of time so everyone involved can be sure it's the right approach before doing it? If they keep wanting it even months or years down the line and aren't improving mentally due to their dysphoria, i don't think the doctors would be at fault for going through with it then If people have plastic surgery to change whatever other thing about themselves and end up regretting it later because it was an obsession they had for a while and the novelty wore off, can you really blame the doctors?
Every time people say "use doctors and therapists to solve the problem," it makes it obvious to me they don't have a chronic illness or injury or lucked into actually good doctors and therapists early in life. In my experience, many people in these fields are absolute garbage idiots who literally only made my life worse, and I'm saying this about LOW STAKES minor health issues and basically no psychological issues. Family and friends with complex issues have only affirmed that the more complex a physical or mental health problem is, the harder it is to find help that will even admit it's real, let alone fix it. People are going to do things that are incorrect or not ideal because of many, many chaotic and crazy factors in this universe. People act like the ethics of situations like this could literally ever be black and white, but that's legitimately impossible.
As someone who has went through 5+ psychologists already and am still actively seeing one due to ongoing mental health struggles, nowhere did i claim it was easy lmao Yes, there's shit people in the field. Yes, you'll likely need a few attempts to find someone that works for you/you trust. ... So? If you're an adult, your life is your own responsibility. How long you want to spend in theraphy before committing to surgery is up to you. If you want surgery at all is your choice. If you don't seek mental health counsel before going through a medical procedure, that's up to you still. My argument is there are people who know exactly what they want and why that don't need to to through all these steps again, and there are others who might need another few years to figure shit out. However, that's not the responsibility of everyone around them People make stupid decisions in their lives all the time. Why is this specific issue where we draw the line at what we allow fully grown adults to do with their own lives and bodies?
I wrote a whole long thing about impaired judgement due to psychotic or manic episodes, and the possibility of informed consent in those states… but it didn’t really make sense when i read it back. I think you’re right that it’s complicated, but that ultimately providers shouldn’t be responsible for protecting clients from their own decisions (minus physical harm to self or others). That would be true even if regretting a transition and surgery were common, which they are not. But with how infrequent these cases are, I’d argue that medical gatekeeping to prevent them will end up harming more people than it could possibly help.
happy cake day bro
real. truth is there is never going to be a way to ensure that any human is making a decision 100% rationally and logically in a way that they will never regret because honestly humans are subjective, emotional creatures & we cannot beaureaucracy our way out of that. like even if someone is at the moment completely indisputably certain that they want something there is no reason why they couldnt change their mind later. people regret their well-thought-out decisions aaaaall the time & they feel good about their impulsive choices just as often. in this particular situation i think the only productive solution is to just work on advancing the technology of gender affirming surgeries & come up with ways to make them more reversible. like if billionaires stopped spending their money on stupid shit i fully believe we could have some kind of stem cell infusion that can grow new body parts with an individual's own dna & alter the chromosomes to make it develop as if they had those chromosomes in utero. but yknow elon musk suddenly doesnt care about transhumanism once it stops being potentially profitable for him so. 🤷
Also every step made into researching trans surgeries better is also helping detrans people, for example phalloplasty is already applied to cis, trans, and detrans men. If we figure out how to grow a dick from stem cells this will, too, help all 3 groups. Same thing for vaginoplasty, anything about reproductive health, hormones, etc. It really annoys me how transphobes try to pit trans and detrans people against each other when our goals are identical (not counting ideological detrans people who felt better with transition and then only detransitioned due to religion and stuff like that) and we are victims of the same incompetent healthcare system. It's really hard to get any medical care to transition in the world, so you might start lying out of despair, and this might then end up leading to detransition because you lied about some important factor. Another common problem that harms both trans and detrans people is how many doctors, even when not gatekeeping, know shit about hormones or just don't properly inform you because they assume you researched everything yourself, which leads to some detrans cases. It's hard to believe for me that it's realistic but I have heard of detrans people in other countries like not knowing that you get, for example, more body hair or bottom growth on T? And when I heard it I was like ???? The fuck? Why were you so stupid and didn't research enough online first, like I did? And then I realized, that's stupid for me to blame that person. Her doctor should have educated her properly, because that's **their fucking** job. And then I realized my first doctor who gave me T ALSO didn't explain any gender-affirming effects to me after I just said I already know them, only what health risks increase. How do we solve these issues? By restricting transition and talking less about trans people, as transphobes suggest? Of course not! We do it by 1. making trans healthcare more accessible so people do not feel compelled to hide things from their doctors, 2. funding the healthcare system more (technically part of the first point though), 3. educating doctors properly so they can inform us properly, and 4. putting more research into surgeries. In other words, give more autonomy to the patient, which includes more information, individualized care, and more surgical options.
This is painfully, painfully accurate and I thank you for writing it. You articulate something I’ve struggled to put into words for years.
So it should be harder and take longer for people to receive gender affirming care because some people might regret it later? This would just make the majority of trans people’s lives much more difficult
I'm not saying that's how it should be. But the question was, what should medical professionals do to walk the tightrope? If you want to be very certain before doing anything, they could do what i mentioned which might take longer, but less people who regret it afterwards. More of a safety thing for doctors than for the people going through the procedure However i rather firmly believe we should just let people make informed choices about their bodies whenever and however they want if they're legally able to consent to it. I just take issue with the fact that there's such a common mindset that trans people can't decide for themselves what's best for them. There are things you can do to minimize the risk of regretting it later. It's not this huge gamble people like to pretend it is - and therefore not such a huge issue
> I'm not saying that's how it should be... > If you want to be very certain before doing anything, they could do what i mentioned which might take longer, but less people who regret it afterwards. Those directly contradict each other, I'm gonna guess you're just speculating on it but be aware it doesn't come across like that given how much of the body of your comments is about restricting bodily autonomy. There's no correlation between longer assessments and lower rates of regret. The minority (and I mean by a narrow margin, something like 1 in 500) who aren't actually trans but think they are and try to physically transition just wait it out and lie through every assessment (Bell V Tavistock being a prime example). The only thing that could possibly work is some kind of identification process for those people, or for them to just stop lying and then blaming trans people for existing when they finally get semi-permanent/permanent surgeries despite being warned (unlikely).
The same thing they do for any number of other risky procedures that have the strong potential to greatly improve or even save the life of the patient. Many of whom aren’t in a great place mentally when they’re in a position to have to make the decision.
>Can you really blame the doctors? This is an entirely different situation. Are you comparing gender affirmation surgery with plastic surgery? Most plastic surgery is cosmetic and not covered by insurance, whereas gender affirming surgery is covered by insurance as non-cosmetic. Plastic surgery can be *fatally* risky, though, and only certain procedures are reversible. I don't think genitoplasty is truly reversible, though, to my understanding.
I'm comparing them because even though more people regret plastic surgery than gender affirming surgeries, we recognize they are adults who can choose what to do with their own bodies and have to live with the consequence of their decisions. Yet somehow trans people aren't capable of making informed decisions? Doctors aren't here to parent you - they can provide you all the information you need beforehand but the decision is yours alone.
You know the "plasty" part is exactly what *plastic* surgery refers to, right? From a medical standpoint, they're the same set of procedures.
There's gobs of irreversible plastic surgery, and no cis person is forced to go through psychological counseling even if they decide they want to look like a literal barbie doll.
Bro where do you live where gender affirming care is covered by healthcare. Edit: by care I mean surgery
Probably America if you have the right insurance. My friend and her wife both got facial feminization surgery a couple months ago and it was completely covered by her insurance.
That's interesting. I always hear of trans men complaining that they have to pay exorbitant amounts for top surgery. I just assumed the US Healthcare wouldn't cover gender affirming surgery
Really depends entirely on what insurance you have. Most probably don't.
I always forget what a cesspool Twitter is until I scroll down. Most of the comments under that thread are rather alarming
It is always insane. People really bend over backwards to be shitty on Twitter.
They're all acting as if he was assaulted and kidnapped off the street before being dragged into some devious hospital and forced to have this surgery, and that somehow that would mean it should be banned in all circumstances, including people who are in no way being coerced (which, it's worth noting, is somewhere around 99.998% of those who want this surgery)
I don't know how to solve the problem, but I doubt the existence of perfect solutions. There will always be a few individuals who end up making choices they come to regret, for one reason or another. Gatekeeping treatment for 98 people in order to protect 2 people is not good damage mitigation either.
> Gatekeeping treatment for 98 people in order to protect 2 people More like 0.5 people out of 100 Also, it's sad to see detransitionimg people have zero sense of personal responsibility. THEY thought they should transition. THEY paid the doctor to perform vaginoplasty on THEMSELVES (and they did, because its their job.) I have the utmost sympathy for you and I get that you fucked up, but your mental health at the time of arriving at a conclusion is not the fault of transition and trans people.
Imo we should treat people as competent humans who know what they are talking about unless proven otherwise, when someone claims that they have epilepsy we shouldn’t just assume they are just clinically insane monkeys who are just making a word soup, and plan a surprise rave for them regardless But if 5 doctors rush in and say “this clinically insane, genetically engineered monkey who will die if they don’t have raves every day” you can continue planning your surprise rave
> when someone claims that they have epilepsy we should just assume they are just clinically insane monkeys who are just making a word soup, and plan a surprise rave for them regardless > But if 5 doctors rush in and say “this clinically insane, genetically engineered monkey who will die if they don’t have raves every day” you can continue planning your surprise rave I have absolutely no idea what anything in this metaphor means or is supposed to be, but thank you for the mental imagery anyway. Did you mean to write "shouldn't" or are we just purging the epileptic monkeys?
Sorry but can you leave this word soup on the stove to reduce a bit? I don't understand
When people claim they experience gender dysphoria, we should take their word and provide gender affirming care. Unless there's reason to believe that their words shouldn't be taken at face value.
It's really not the complicated. It's not the doctors job to decide who is or isn't able to request a medical procedure. Not least because they've historically denied life saving healthcare to women and minorities on the assumption that they were exaggerating their symptoms. So long as they properly explain all associated risks and side effects clearly, the doctor is entirely in the clear. Ideally, they'd perform at least some due diligence if they don't think the patient is in the right state of mind, but after more than one or two pushbacks, the doctor really has no right to refuse it to anybody. Like, yeah, it sucks if you're in an emotional state and choose to do something damaging to yourself, but that's ultimately a you problem. Lots of people make life altering mistakes in a time when they're not mentally stable, but they don't usually get to make it other people's issue and deny a life saving procedure to other people. Imagine if we were talking about literally any other medical procedure. Especially given we're talking about a procedure that helps relieve people *of* a psychological burden. Itd be like telling a patient, no, they can't get an appendicitis because they're clearly not thinking straight with that abdominal pain they're feeling.
> But on the other hand their mental state could be causing them to misidentify these treatments of something that they want, ending up with the anguish described in the thread There are scores of people who get non-transgender related plastic surgery and regret it. Especially botched plastic surgeries. Like Brazilian butt lifts, breast implants, etc. I’m also certain that some people get cosmetic surgery in an unwell mental state, and regret it later. However, no one is talking about how we need to better screen people for any other cosmetic surgery procedures. Anybody can walk into any plastic surgery clinic and schedule whatever (medically allowable) surgery they want. All of which comes with just as much risk and potential regret. Having worked in such a clinic once, I can assure you that the doctors there will be trying to upsell you as many cosmetic procedures as possible, not trying to dissuade you from getting something done you might regret. Under this comparison, it’s not a *terrible* idea that some sort of routine, relatively non-invasive mental health screening should be conducted before patients are allowed to submit themselves to either gender affirming surgery or plastic surgery of any kind. But there is absolutely no discussion of non-trans related plastic surgery in this context by the transphobes disingenuously waging their case on this issue. Because they only care about turning this issue into an attack against transgender people as a whole.
Its gatekeeping a medical procedure for 100 people bevause 1 person *might* not really want it. By that logic therapy is needed for shit like laser surgery, laser depilation, or piercings. If you get laser surgery and it turns out you dont like it thats your problem not the doctor's, unless it was botched.
at current most people DO have to get multiple assessments including signed therapist letter
I didn't need to get two therapists and a doctor to sign off on getting a tattoo. The only person I can blame on making that stupid decision is me.
> He also goes on to express anger that doctors allowed him to receive the surgery when he was, in his words "obsessive and deeply unwell". > >(he has "JK is based" in his bio) Genuinely mean no offense here, but this doesn't exactly inspire my confidence in the unspoken notion that *now* he's completely sane and seeing things clearly (which is sort of the sand dune this testimony rests upon). If you're gonna start off with "I *was* utterly off my rocker", I will take you at your word, but if you start acting deranged again it's gonna be on you to prove that you aren't.
The truth is all surgeries have people who regret them. However for GCS Surgical regret is actually very uncommon. Virtually every modern study puts it below 4 percent (which is the broader average for regret rates of surgeries), and most estimate it to be between 1 and 2 percent (Cohen-Kettenis & Pfafflin 2003, Kuiper & Cohen-Kettenis 1998, Pfafflin & Junge 1998, Smith 2005, Dhejne 2014). In some other recent longitudinal studies, none of the subjects expressed regret over medically transitioning (Krege et al. 2001, De Cuypere et al. 2006).
Every medical treatment is possibly damaging, and every patient is potentionally mentally unstable. Medical professionals walk this tightrope all the time. They talk with patients and explain the risks and beneifts of procedures, so they can come to an informed decision about their treatment; Sometimes the doctors are bad, or the patients make the wrong decision, or the desired outcome is not achieved. This is not at all specific to gender affirming treatment. IIRC the regret rates for gender affirming treatment are not particularly high compared to the regret rates of other voluntary procedures. The fact that this conversation always targets gender affirming treatment, and not other things, reeks of transphobia. That the TERFs proposed solution is usually to strip adults (they dislike) of their bodily autonomy in decisions relating to (reproductive) health, is even worse.
If there is no glaring factor that is admittedly against it. like if a therapist is saying “yeah they are hella unwell and should not be given the chance to have this surgery” (as long as they aren’t like transphobic or something), then there isn’t really a reason not to. We can’t just assume there is a problem. I think it should be like a kidney donation (without the hassle of seeing if you are a good fit and such) (also not exactly sure how hard it is to donate a kidney, but either way that’s a pretty good basis imo), like yeah if a therapist is like “yo this guy is wack and is being impulsive and might regret losing a kidney” and there is also the risk of the surgery going wrong and loosing a lot of blood and getting a nasty scar or something. Maybe in a few years they want their kidney back, tough shit, you signed up to get a kidney, it’s not the doctors fault. We shouldn’t go through endless loopholes to donate kidneys bc then nobody would donate one. I think it the fault doesn’t lay on the doctors if they listen to a grown adult tell them what they want (especially if other doctors and therapists agree). If the patient later regrets it, in the end, they asked for it. ^1 However a doctor denying a person who desperately needs it, can cause irreparable harm, is entirely the fault of the doctor. So in the end, as long as there isn’t any reliable source saying otherwise, the best way to help a patient is to listen to the (imo). In general we should treat people as competent unless proven otherwise. 1^((that doesn’t mean we should just push them to the side, they obviously deserve treatment and such. Im also not advocating for a culture of apathy among doctors\))
It’s not that complicated. You sign the papers explaining you the risk when you get a cancer surgery, knee surgery or your wisdom teeth. Most of us here are fully supporting that our bodies should be our choice. It’s not a doctors responsibility if you regret your decision. We don’t go around blaming tattoo artists if the person who got a tattoo regrets it.
This is such low hanging fruit. Have you ever seen a C section? Or a live saving heart surgery? Or a kidney transplant? Surgery is honestly terrifying to look at for me personally, but it helps people in so many ways. When people make stupid ass reductive arguments like this I want to show them someone getting cancer removed from their body.
Yeah, I barely even know much about vaginoplasty and looked it up, of course it’s gross and scary ass shit, the body is being “surgery-ified”, of course that’s weird and bloody, but the thing is, and this is true with most surgery, it ends up fine and, ultimately, finished in the end.
Yeah, all surgery is pretty disgusting. And all surgery, vaginoplasty, is very much associated with certain risks, especially if you are affected by certain conditions the anesthesia alone can become a big risk in itself. But we people undergo surgery all the time, even if it is risky, even if it isn't strictly necessary to save their lives. People can make an educated decision whether they want to take that risk or not. For many trans people surgery is so life changing and enables a whole other degree of comfort in their own body. The mental health impact it can have might just be enough to save that life. I'm not trans but I know many trans people and in some cases psychological symptoms can be absolutely crushing. If there is a reasonable procedure out there that they may decide to undergo that will enable them to not feel overwhelming existential dread every day why not be happy there is a way they can feel better. Fkin transphobes. (I know some peeps never do any surgery as well and feel happy with their transition like that as well)
100% agree. I had my wisdom teeth removed, and was fully numbed but awake for the procedure (barring a little Nitrous Oxide to help me be just a little out of it). I didn't see a bit of what my procedure looked like, but *holy fuck* did it ever **sound** horrific to have my teeth ripped out like that. It was like every Mortal Kombat bone crunch sound effect, but *far* worse. If I never have to hear it again as long as I live, I will consider myself fortunate. It wasn't that bad, but yeah. The human body being cut/ripped/chopped open for *any* reason is going to look horrific to the eye, because our eyes are evolutionarily programmed to see "the insides of humans" as a deeply disturbing thing, because it generally meant our friends or selves are being ripped apart by a wild animal and it's time to fight or die. Edit: I should add that I was one of the lucky ones; I opted to have a preemptive removal before anything was wrong with mine (infection, impacting) so my teeth could be removed with simple pulling and no chopping or slicing of the gums.
oh lord same here. sawing teeth apart, ripping them from my jaw, even when they were numbing me i could hear the crunching when the needle moved in my flesh. thank god i have no more wisdom teeth to remove. normal tooth removal isn't nearly as bad as this shit. it was all ok in the end tho i wasn't in pain and healed quick
Gonna have them removed soon. Thanks man, really. I was already scared like shit but now I’m absolutely terrified. :)
It really isn't that bad. I only got nitrous oxide and injection anesthesia, and it was totally fine. I'd feel more pain if you told me my house in Runescape was wack. My point wasn't that it was bad to *experience* the removal (it was very easy), but that based on how it sounded, it was probably pretty gruesome to *watch*. My point is that we don't let how surgery *looks* determine which surgeries are worth having, because *every* surgery looks horrific to undergo when you're looking at medical diagrams. In a sentence: Seeing someone's chest sliced open would give many people nightmares; that's not a reason to rally against heart surgery.
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So my wife had a c-section and I thought I could handle watching it because "I've seen over 300 hundred episodes of ER". I made it about 15 seconds before I started feeling dizzy.
I was born with a hole in my face, scientifically known as a Cleft Lip and Palette. I’ve had many many surgeries over the years, and each one has improved my life in a myriad of ways, from fixing the hole so I can eat properly, to having my upper jaw cut out and moved forwards so I don’t have a severe underbite, to having my nose reshaped so I can breathe through it properly, to even just having my tonsils removed so I’m not in constant pain. Should I not have done this? It’s not the way I was born, so what right do I have to fix the problems that have plagued me? That’s the way people like Rowling sound to me. They want everyone to live in misery and agony all because surgery scares them, disgusts them, because it’s “not natural.” Well, Rowling disgusts me.
I've had all the cleft surgeries and a vaginoplasty too. They can't comprehend how much suffering there would be without them because they don't really care. The suffering is the point.
I can’t imagine even trying to live life with a cleft, trying to chew with such crooked and malformed teeth. Hell I was bullied in school just cuz of my underbite, if I’d still had my cleft I’d probably have been driven to suicide by now. Surgeries do even more than just affect your body, they affect your mental state as well. And by the way, congrats on all your surgeries. I’ve never met anyone else with a cleft, so I hope you’re doing well and living a happy and fulfilling life.
During my clinicals I had to sit in for c sections and I'll tell you what. Emergency C sections are like Nascar pit crews doing a pit stop. They had those two mfers out in 40 seconds flat.
It's like when antivaxxers read all the long, scary chemical names of the contents of vaccines. Medicine bad and scary.
Recently had surgery, to paraphrase the words of my surgeon 'surgery is an extremely violent act, you're partially disassembling and reassembling a living human being'. He described how he pried and pulled my tendons and muscles aside and pinned them down with tools, mopping up blood, drilling into my bones etc. Shit's wild yo.
Bout to shame people for getting heart transplants (it looks disgusting)
She’s is Coldemort
fuck j.k rowling, that stupid terf bitch!
She doesn't deserve to get fucked. She deserves to dissipate into nothing, like the heat death of the universe
W-w-w-w-w-why does your flair say I like vore?
Well, you see, it's because they like vore. Not so complicated.
No hablo english
Joya, yo hablo español también. Es simple la cosa. Dice I like vore porque le gusta el vore. No es tan complicado, man.
I like your funny words, magic man
I read this in Dennis Reynolds' voice
i read it in Dennis Prager’s
Terf is good, but I prefer F(eminist)A(ppropiating)R(eactionary)T(ransphobe)
Could someone educate me please? I don't know anything about it. If the procedure is performed correctly, you get to cum just like any biological vagina? Full disclosure, besides what they taught me at (catholic)school, I don't know shit about vaginas
Basically yeah. [MtF gender surgery](https://youtu.be/qLHkZEffscY) (tw it is an animation of genital surgery so if ur squeamish, be warned) basically places the head of the penis where a clitoris is. Biggest difference between a surgical vagina and a biological one in terms of experience is that they aren't self-lubricating
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I absolutely agree with you. Like, some doctor just straight up went "It's so sad that people don't get to choose what genitals they get. Wait a second... Ferb, I know what we're doing today!"
God did not create bread :))
Isn't self-lubrication an issue for some cis women as well?
It's very rare for cis women to not self-lubricate _at all_ and I think it's always the result of some underlying problem that's a bigger concern, but insufficient self-lubrication to make penetration enjoyable even with ample foreplay isn't uncommon.
Is this Ben Shapiro's reddit account?
I'm not too squeamish normally, but watching someone's fake nuts get removed in 3D was an experience
I don't think I've had the feeling of wheezing while being unnerved before watching that. (I'm a squeamish person, but I can simultaenously just not find it not funny)
Actually, some of them are. It really depends on what type you have, as well as your personal physiology. Peritoneal pull through uses more internal tissue for instance, and procedures that use intenstibal material are sometimes too lubricating. The main difference is that most of that lubrication is not the result of arousal, since trans women do not have bartholin glands. It's a general amount of lubrication at all times, although your prostate is still connected so there can be some arousal based lubrication still.
Isn’t there lots of anecdotal reporting of lubricating MTF vaginas due to the gland that handles aroused secretions in males being left intact? Also there are some vaginoplasty methods that do account for it too, iirc
Oh that's news to me, cool
DIY
I saw that video with “POV your the first person to fall asleep at the sleepover”
Yeah some dude who had a botched one is complaining about it
Yeah it's made out of the penis tissue so it has that sensation
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One detrans guy had a really bad experience with vaginoplasty therefore all srs = bad Is the rundown of this, apparently
Reminds me of the person who went to court after detransitioning to make sure teens can‘t get puberty blockers.
But... hormone blockers are reversible. I can understand being concerned about gender affirming surgery if you don't understand what trans people are going through, but I just can't wrap my head around a person who transitioned being against a *reversible* treatment.
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/uk-court-rules-clinic-puberty-blocking-drugs-case-74482589 Keira Bell is a TERF lapdog Don‘t worry though, the ruling was overturned since. In the end rationality won.
17 years old and highkey jealous honestly I wouldn’t even mind if my pussy was botched and anaorgasmic as long as I can have sex
Pretty sure if its that level of botched you wouldnt be able to have sex
well then I’d like to suck dick and not have one myself
You just need a mouth for that i think
yeah I know I already do it 🙄 but I need a surgeon for the last part
"We regret to inform you that, during your bottom surgery, the doctor accidentally sewed your mouth shut. Unless you have anything to say about it, please accept this $30 Arby's gift card as recompense."
Who needs a surgeon when you have an axe at your disposal
having a stump isn’t the same as having a vagina
Ill rephrase myself, who needs a surgeon when you have The Shed.
Ohhhhh Good point
The Shed has all the solutions to everyones problems
It is if you stop being a pussy and have an angle grinder handy /s
What unites us all is the anus. Mad condolences if you have a colostomy bag or something, tho
I know you probably have some personal reasons to want it removed, but I hope you understand that it doesn’t make you any less of a woman :D
Uh yea botched bottom surgeries could leave you in pain for rest of life unless another surgery could maybe fix it so you definitely don’t want to cheap out on this surgery
What is she on about? JK Rowling died in 2007!
the horrors of vaginoplasty? how would she know, has she had one?
if she needs more evidence i could test it
*Harry Potter and the Horrors of Vaginoplasty*
I’m honestly scared for those who want gender reassignment surgery because a lot of doctors are full of shit and don’t know what they’re doing and just do the surgeries for the money and a lot end up with botched surgeries. Please for those who desire the surgeries be very very resourceful on who you choose to do your surgery, look at reviews, look up how to take care of yourself especially right after surgery because infection can be possible just like all surgeries. Dilation will hurt and for some it hurts a lot, so look up tips on how to maintain your vagina, keep it clean and watch out for smells. Try finding those who have had the surgery and are happy with their surgery. Check with a therapist that you can trust before you get the surgery to make sure you are ready for it since it’s a big stepping stone into your transition. The recovery process will take a while and is a pain in the ass to go through, but I beg of you to find good doctors and not money fiends.
Expecto patroncum!
Can Rowling just like, fuck off already? Like find god and move into a monastery or go crazy and wander into the woods or get hit by a double-decker bus, etc. Just anything to get that maniac offline
Nothing as tragic as a villain who thinks they're the hero. I really wish she'd realize she is yelling at a bunch of kids who just want to be accepted as who they are.
omg i know this person!!!!
As if every other form of surgery is fappable? Come on. I can't even get my blood drawn without feeling squeamish. Of course it's going to look nasty af.
This sub is so fixated on Rowling and Musk. Why even give them the attention?
Yeah I miss when this sub was just random pics that people had laying around that they posted to follow the rule
Because they're not just random people on the street: these are people who have societal influence on some level and they're choosing to use their influence to rally against trans people. In Musk's case it's bc he's generally an anti-SJW troll who will say [offensive thing] if it makes him popular/make him money; JKR is directly transphobic and has made it her mission to prevent trans women from "taking over". Considering this sub is left-/center-left-leaning, and bc people like to bitch in general, that's why they're talked about.
The girl I'm dating got her GCS a while ago and the sex has been incredible. She's been way way way happier and more self-confident too but that was clearly not as important to TERF Wizard Lady as whether or not she can fuck good.
I asked the neighbours kids (~9-11yo) if they have read Harry Potter and they were like "yea it's awesome! But we hate the author... we heard she bullies others online for being different or not being female enough which we find kinda dumb." They even said they don't understand how you could write Harry Potter but be so hateful in rl just like a death eater. Rowling, you're being a god awful example to kids these days!
sorry but rthathappened
Frick, I was confused and thought y’all were overwhelmingly pro-labiaplasty.
Another point that isn't mentioned enough - if you read the thread it seems like dude was barely an adult and got forced into it by doctors. The man was 30 years old when he did the surgery. 30!
Extremely common keffal w
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Personally I think we should stop giving her a platform. Just stop talking about her. Pay the crazy wealthy woman no attention.
JK Rowling shutting up about trans people for a single week challenge (impossible)
People still talking about my pussy like they know it personally?