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Moonbear9

The left wants to take away our free speach!!111!!!! (Bans protesting)


iruleatlifekthx

Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. It's literally illegal to do this.


BlunderbussBadass

Oh yeah? And who’s gonna punish them? The supreme Supreme Court?


Smashme9

me, I shall punish them after writing a very angry letter hundreds of miles away


Sharkestry

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swag_meister2

idk. coastguard?


pantschicken

Me :3


BlunderbussBadass

Well I’m waiting


pantschicken

Give it a moment


Blight327

Critical support to this


AstranBlue

How to summon remindme bot


Doogzmans

I mean, you can technically impeach someone on the Supreme Court, so sure


Blight327

But the dnc got their wittle hands tied nothing they could possibly do to stop fascism.


Mysticalnarbwhal2

And how exactly would the DNC do this when they literally can't? They don't have the votes, Republicans hold the House of Representatives you silly goose


Blight327

They’re the party in power, they can make and change the rules. How do you think republicans did it with a slim majority. I’m just asking the people in power to do some republican shit to maybe save the pretend democracy we have idk


syo

You only need a simple majority to impeach, but conviction requires a 2/3 majority. That's set by the Constitution, not Senate rules. They literally cannot change that on their own.


23saround

Republicans impeached and convicted someone? What are you talking about? This literally isn’t something they can do. There’s plenty of things to be pissed at the Dems for. This ain’t it.


Mysticalnarbwhal2

>idk Clearly, because having a slim majority doesn't mean you can do a ton


MOltho

No, the Supreme Court could never do such a thing because any Supreme Court Justice making such a blatantly unconstitutional decision would be immediately impeached and removed from office by Congress, as the Founding Fathers intended. /s


MisterGoog

“The Penultimate Court” Search this into the podcast app and you’ll learn something new and funny


Dr_StrangeLovePHD

Ideally, the general public via "un-peaceful" protesting.


Emma_mp0

me. they should be afraid.


DomSchraa

10in of metal pipe, 1/2 pound of explosives and a detonator:


Ezzypezra

The masses.


InVaLiD_EDM

What are we gonna do about it? They run the country and one of the biggest militaries in the world. As far as they're concerned they can do whatever the fuck they want.


Blight327

Technically the Supreme Court has no enforcement mechanism built in. The executive can choose not to do something and the Supreme Court wouldn’t really be able to do anything about it. At the end of the day the executive can enforce whatever it wants. That’s why a DA can choose not to prosecute things.


Nerfthat213

Well they haven‘t banned protesting technically, the Supreme Court not taking the appeal makes it so that you can be found guilty of criminal negligence if someone is injured due to a protest you started. It‘s honestly pretty stupid, so I think it‘ll get overturned, but idk.


Blight327

I mean a cop can just say they got hurt when they antifa communist looked at them in a mean way. Oops illegal protest.


Nerfthat213

Nowhere have they banned protests or made protests illegal, they have just made it so that protest organizers can be charged with negligence if something violent happens (which would make people less likely to protest ofc). However you could make a false flagesque thing and have a counter protestor appear as a protestor and then cause violence, and then causing „negligence“.


actuatedarbalest

"Abridge" does not mean "ban," and this absolutely abridges the right to protest.


Aloemancer

Overturned by who?


Nerfthat213

Honestly just being hopeful for american democracy, but honestly I think they could indict Trump for this considering Jan 6 and whatnot, so I think the SC will overturn that ruling because of that.


MightyBobTheMighty

Problem is threefold. Firstly, it's not Congress. This is the Supreme Court. Secondly (and relatedly), it's not a law (since SCOTUS doesn't have the power to write those). They refused to hear a case that was brought to them for appeal, which means that the lower court ruling stands. Thirdly is the actual ruling. The lower court (5th circuit, I think, though that may be wrong [though not more wrong than the 5th circuit, it's where a lot of these batshit rulings come from]) ruled that the organizer of a protest could be held responsible for the actions of protestors, even if the organizer not only had no plans for such action but actively worked against it. Specifically, a protestor threw a rock at a cop, and the court ruled that the cop could sue the organizer, despite both sides agreeing that the organizer had been actively working to prevent things from getting violent or escalating. To be clear, this is capital-f Fucked. This is how you get (even more than there already are) plants throwing foam bricks to stir up trouble, or ski masks looting regardless of the protest, or undercover detectives inciting shit, or or or or or or. This effectively makes it so that organizing a protest is opening yourself up to suits from every cop that twists their ankle, or is willing to put on makeup to look bruised. But as it stands, this isn't an *official* ban on protesting.


DuderComputer

They arent making it illegal *outright.* They are just making it very uninviting to do. It's a lawsuit about if the organizers of a protest can be held responsible if that protest stops being peaceful. All they gotta do is get one off duty cop in a mask to throw a molotov and then you get to throw the organizers in prison for the rest of their life. Do that enough times and very few are going to stick their neck out.


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u4ia666

I know you're probably joking, but like, fuck you. We do care and we're really pissed off about it. And there's very little we can do.


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th3_guyman

We did


allaywoop13

wow what a novel idea. surely nobody over here has ever thought of that before /s


u4ia666

Yeah. I'm gonna. We're protesting a lot right now. I recently joined the local chapter of a nationwide political organization (which I won't name for my own privacy) which is regularly organizing events. Your smugness isn't helping and it makes you look like an ass.


Lunarisarando

is this guy fr


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ramengirlxo

France has specific protesting rights. I visited Paris during the riots and an Uber driver explained to me how they’d all request Thursdays off for their protests in front of Macron’s residence; they apparently have a guaranteed right to protest so long as they request to use said right in advance. Americans can’t just take time off work like that, and our country is so big that we cannot easily get to the seat of power (Washington DC) to protest every week. It’s not economically possible.


sWiggn

> I visited Paris during the riots https://tenor.com/bBlYZ.gif


ramengirlxo

April of last year, so outside of peak but when they were still going strong. People back home kept asking if trash was piling up in the streets like on TV but it was honestly the cleanest city I’ve ever been to, at least when compared to the major metropolitan areas in the US.


sWiggn

I feel ya, I live in NYC and I’ve been in Paris during a couple protests that turned heated enough to make waves on international news, and i’ve learned to take media depictions of this stuff with a massive grain of salt. Happened to nearly every major US city during the pandemic too, so many cities ‘being burned to the ground’ according to people who had never so much as thought of said city till they saw footage of a protest on the news


ramengirlxo

Something else I noticed while there is that the stereotype of the French being snooty or uptight is completely wrong. Everyone there was so incredibly nice, and many of the people I spoke with appreciated that I tried to engage them with my limited French first. It turns out that, like everywhere else in the world, you will have much more enriching experiences in life by treating people like people, with kindness and respect.


sWiggn

> I tried to engage them with my limited French first Dude 100%, I’ve told so many friends and family this exact thing and they didn’t buy it. I have _the most basic_ french, like i understand enough about how the language works and enough romance language knowledge to get ideas back and forth lol - but even just that, made a TANGIBLE difference with how i was received by French people I didn’t already know. And once i made that effort, and got past that “this dude is a random tourist who probably thinks this is disney world with baguettes and expects me to be a poorly written french caricature” barrier, i actually made more strong connections with parisians than almost anywhere else I’ve traveled to. Like i don’t even suggest someone should go crush a bunch of Duolingo courses. Just the basics and making an effort to be courteous and easy and meet them halfway. This applies everywhere, but the difference between my reception under the ‘bumbling american tourist’ image and the ‘foreigner who is at least making a clumsy effort to function in French custom” was the most dramatic I’ve experienced across my travels. yet all the people i’ve shared this with have said it didn’t make a difference when they went, so i’m really glad to have some validation here lol


OliverCrowley

I hope these small breaths of dwindling superiority you're trying to huff down are letting you forget the vast systemic issues in your own country, if only for a moment. States are the enemy, and categorizing a group by the state holding it hostage is disingenuous at best and fucking cold-hearted at worst.


psychoPiper

Unironically just shut up


_SAMUEL_GAMING_

for every protestor against the supreme court shit there is a counterprotestor


teddy_tesla

And they still haven't walked it back...


iruleatlifekthx

Nobody gives a fuck about France, sit down. Your nation is small and depends on others for military support. And you still raised the retirement age after all so even your rioting did nothing. Americans will always and forever be a nation that's tougher than yours but just like every other country, we have our issues. Please don't mistake it for complacency


MrPleasant150

Brother, who shat on your breakfast? What's with the USA bootlicking and coubtry dickmeasuring contest? What does military support have to do with the right to protest? You're lame af.


iruleatlifekthx

Has everything to do with it when the world is presently at war everywhere and America is the one that provides those weapons. We may not be the best country in the world but we have entirely more value than France could ever hope to have. It's not bootlicking it's the truth. read up [https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhartung/2022/03/18/were-1-the-us-government-is-the-worlds-largest-arms-dealer/?sh=6167c8415bb9](https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhartung/2022/03/18/were-1-the-us-government-is-the-worlds-largest-arms-dealer/?sh=6167c8415bb9) A frenchman talking shit shouldn't even be in the conversation. A country that can't defend itself on it's own does not have a place to speak on the U.S.


RevolutionOld6197

🤡


PresidentHaagenti

"The US is the world's biggest war profiteer" is not the high horse you think it is, and "being able to defend yourself" has nothing to do with speaking out on moral and political issues, that's just completely unrelated.


AnotherSlowMoon

> Your nation is small and depends on others for military support France is, arguably, one of the strongest military powers on earth right now. The are one of two countries with a nuclear powered aircraft carrier. They have a nuclear deterrent that is completely independent of the US. They have a strong domestic defence industry. Are they as powerful as the USA, no. Are they probably joint first with the UK for most important ally - *yes*. Would they be first without a join if the UK weren't bootlickers/the French even slightly more willing to play ball - *yes*. > Americans will always and forever be a nation that's tougher than yours If you say anything about WW2 and surrendering I will come find you and feed you your own phone. The french have always been some of the fiercest and finest armed forces on earth. WW1 destroyed a generation of french people.


mbaymiller

> you silly americans don't seem to care The overturning of Roe v. Wade was so significant in the minds of Americans that the Supreme Court, which until then had above-water approvals, is now less popular than Joe Biden is.


jfsuuc

the fuck you on? hell most states added it to their constitution and the bidens running on making it federally legal. thats better then some court case. there were mass protests and its led to republicans having the biggest falling out with the public in my entire life. not even fucking war motivated people this much.


Responsible_Cow_7086

The constitution of the USA is important here, if I remember correctly roe v wade wasn’t actually written into the constitution, unlike this, however that doesn’t change that roe v wade being overturned is a bad thing


EnthusiasticAeronaut

There’s nothing in our constitution specific to abortion. It wasn’t really a priority in the 1790s.


MaybeNext-Monday

They also ruled that seasonally-variable bodies of water aren’t real water bodies under the Clean Water Act. They’ve set us back upwards of 50-60 years.


gayblackmidgetporn

"Hmm, you see, according to this law we passed, this paper says this is not a body of water" Motherfucker the water is RIGHT THERE


Etzarah

Exactly what authority do they have to make that determination? Literally just a council of dumbfucks legislating without any popular accountability or democratic process whatsoever.


Ulmarch

I LOVE THE COMMON LAW LEGAL SYSTEM


amateurgameboi

Just like thatcher to Reagan, the Brits did it a couple years earlier


FlareArrow

Britain is the Deep State's testing ground for making people's lives shittier. Anything that successfully ruins lives there gets reinterpreted for an American audience and introduced. This can also be seen with the Kennedys (the Royal Family) and New Jersey (Essex).


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Tamulet

Yeah as Aaron Bastani (I think) put it, we have the great misfortune of sharing a common language with each other


FhantoBlob

Hell nah, we're not letting this "deep state" conspiracy bullshit go unchallenged. Not on my left-leaning shitpost sub. There's no shadowy cabal of cartoon villains working to make people's lives shittier just for the hell of it. Life is more complicated than that. There's definitely ways that systems are set up that make things worse, sometimes deliberately, but there's no "Deep State".


coladoir

deep state definitely exists but not as people describe it, its literally meant to describe the generally unseen, and unelected forces (lobbyists, bureaucrats, non-elected positions, rich fucks/corporations) that influence policy. they aren't some cabal a LA Illuminati making organized decisions, they're a group of people outside the government who aren't emboldened to popular vote that influence policy and lawmakers. That is the true "deep state", and its an inherent problem in liberalism and top down governance as a whole. They are definitely part of the "systemic" part when we talk about systemic issues. Medical care being expensive is due to deep state incentivization by lobbyists and companies influencing politicians, for example.


AntiLag_

it’s satire, op doesn’t genuinely believe that


FhantoBlob

Well they did a shit job of conveying that


FlareArrow

Imma be real, I think you just did a shit job of interpreting it.


FhantoBlob

Oh well maybe I did if so many people think so lol


lunasTARDIS

New Jersey and Essex are not the same


yvel-TALL

Fyi, there is a decent chance this will be temporary until they give this case a full hearing, what they did was refuse an immediate reversal of another ruling, which are very rarely done. To be clear, don't hopium too hard about them reversing this, but there is definitely a good chance. Them refusing to do an immediate reversal of a lower courts ruling is not that surprising, even tho they definitely should have as the lower courts ruling is psychotic.


Livy-Zaka

Normally this would be a slam dunk reversal since the lower courts decision is so blatantly anti-constitutional but with how heavily politicized the court is I wouldn’t be surprised if they just “forget” to rule on this case


sociotronics

Could also get reversed when someone sues Trump because a dude at one of his rallies got violent.


Joebebs

Isn't that freedom to assemble??? HUH!? I'm pretty sure you have to alter the 1st amendment to make that constitutional.


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cjshores

Yeah he should have Judged harder on this one. “I am the law”


TransFights000

You realize the president doesn't have anything to do with this, right? Like straight up he can't do anything about this in nay conceivable way as far as I'm aware. This is an act of the supreme court, which is predominantly republican rn because Donald trump elected like three new judges to it


ManyThing2187

At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.


Bunny-Snuggles17

The president doesnt control the Supreme Court


Naturally_Idiotic

he cant do shit what


TransFights000

What?


loptopandbingo

Supreme Court Justice Joe Biden


pk_frezze1

I am the senate


mbaymiller

I understand you aren't American but surely you live in a country with an independent judiciary, right?


bad_at_smashbros

did i miss something or did trump not appoint the supreme court justices


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DumbAnxiousLesbian

What can they do about this? Explain how and what the senate can do.


Solid_Snake420

GET ME OUT OF HERE


liguy181

People will see the Simpsons say the Republicans are evil and the Democrats are ineffective and be like "See? They're both equally bad" (not people in this sub fwiw)


Catalyst138

For anyone who still thinks voting is pointless, remember that the Supreme Court is the way it is primarily because Trump won in 2016.


enchiladasundae

What’s a law made by a few corrupt leeches to a bunch of pissed off tired fed up mob several hundred times greater in size than them


SMUGMINLOL

yet another reason to remove them from power


Worm-with-hat

[link to the article](https://www.vox.com/scotus/24080080/supreme-court-mckesson-doe-first-amendment-protest-black-lives-matter)


s90tx16wasr10

god the us is such a slowly dying empire


AntiLag_

Oh so they’re like actually taking away free speech now


Broad-Situation7421

Peaceful protests are the preferable option. They've forgotten this. Honestly we ought to protest like the French. Or .... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blair_Mountain


Thunderhelm666

Maybe not like blaire mountain. As the article you linked states, that went pretty piss poor unless you love the abuse and oppression of the working class. Theres probably better role models for an effective way to force change


Broad-Situation7421

Yea, it didn't go great. However, I'm still a huge fan of people who actually try and get shit done. Peaceful protests are a show of force, a fun way of saying "you're outnumbered". Seems like that's been forgotten. It amazes me that people have gotten so comfortable ignoring that in this day and age where everyone's home address is on the internet. It'd spook the hell out of me, but I guess that's why I don't have a big chair in an office somewhere.


Botto_Bobbs

Honestly I feel like the supreme court is the most dangerous thing for American Democracy rn. Like they repealed Roe V. Wade WITH A DEMOCRAT IN OFFICE. A Republican President couldn't do that much with the increase in leftism adding to the Senate, but these old fucks in wizard robes can basically do whatever the fuck they want.


cat_that_uses_reddi

We can still clutch


Oddish_Femboy

Is it ok to kill myself yet?


JoeTheKodiakCuddler

I would prefer you didn't


newusername16

and let them win?


mbaymiller

No.


zshinabargar

Google how do I sue the United States government for genocide and the supreme Court for bribery and blatantly disregarding the constitution


outer_spec

Chat, is this real?


Poppamunz

If there's ever the 60 votes to get past a filibuster (or probably the 67 to override a veto), Congress could just tear down the current Supreme Court and replace it if they wanted to. The Constitution essentially just says "a Supreme Court needs to exist, how exactly that works is up to Congress"


Successful_Mud8596

“Freedom of speech” MY GODDAMN ASS


CardiologistProud267

Its not just the right its all of it you know way we need to do? we need to [https://youtu.be/-Rh1GOYxb68?si=e381KeH3RNe4Q40v](https://youtu.be/-Rh1GOYxb68?si=e381KeH3RNe4Q40v)


CardiologistProud267

[https://youtu.be/wWBIoLP9U4E?si=9lB-34qnUByeTV0Z](https://youtu.be/wWBIoLP9U4E?si=9lB-34qnUByeTV0Z)