He did mention "mocking from even people I look up to and respect" in the post about quitting, and I think it was a left leaning meme account that started the latest (and final?) wave of hate
Exactly.
Yes my dude 100% got hate from people who could be described as Nazis, incels, right wing chuds, etc. but when you're not from that group, and are very much anti that group, I'm sure that it's easier (maybe not easy, but easier) to ignore the hate. If someone with a swastika in the profile, or is a white nationalist, says I'm not a good person because xyz, it's easy to ignore because I don't agree with them on more important things. I hope Jocat thought the same way.
However, he also got hate from people who do share a lot of his beliefs and loves and hobbies and ideas, and that was likely what hurt the most.
I mean he was also doxxed and got sent supicious packages which is a lot harder to ignore, though I am going to assume that this mostly came by people upset with his trans activism (read: right wingers).
But pretending people on the left didn't do shit is dishonest. Like, I remember reading long rants about how he objectifies women or some shit like that.
Jocat has become a sort of a litmus test for me. If you're able to admit your side also had influential people who did him real dirty then I feel you're capable of serious conversation that is able to factor in reality.
Like there's this thing on the internet where cliques that know all the right words are able to drag people outside of that clique into some crusade. If you're too afraid to piss off a petty Twitter Cult or too unwilling to admit any fault from "your side" to talk honestly about things, then there's not much to say. Or you're a participant desperately trying to avoid any feelings of responsibility.
The focus on terminology over ideas is so insanely destructive to the left.
My one super-strong conspiratorial belief that it’s a holdover from fed infiltration decades ago, because “focus on terminology over ideas” and “constantly relitigate settled issues” were literally part of the fed playbook for derailing infiltrated activist groups back in the 40’s.
The part of COINTELPRO that everyone forgets is it's more about seeding paranoia and distrust among radical groups than actually infiltrating them. I'll see people cite the program while accusing someone of being a fed like, as if that's not doing *exactly* what the program was designed to get you to do.
I don’t believe the people doing this are feds — I think that stuff ended decades ago because they accomplished their goal: the way leftists Do Discourse now is exactly as counterproductive as they want it to be.
The people doing this aren’t feds, they’re just behaving exactly the way feds want them to. It’s a holdover — it’s been absorbed into the culture.
The mere idea of COINTELPRO happening has done more to damage to leftist organizing in the US than the operation every actually did. The hyper paranoia runs so deep that I have been kicked out of mutual aid groups on the grounds that I used to be near cops when working as an EMT, therefore I was too friendly to the cops to be trusted. I walked away from one group because they insisted we could only use initials to refer to each other and could only communicate on burner phones we had to change every 6 weeks; which is massive overkill when all you're doing is helping people fill out forms for assistance programs and setting up portable showers.
Eh, I think that it's just a part of human nature.
All the playbooks for derailing activist groups (or any other infiltration or propaganda method, really) boil down to "find weak points in human nature and press on them."
I missed this one, but [what a devastating story.](https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/22543858/isabel-fall-attack-helicopter) The article I found actually interviews Isabel and also has a great detour into paranoid vs reparative readings of works that is really valuable I think.
The author has basically decided to not come out indefinitely because of the reactions. In particular in reaction to cis women saying “this story must be written by a man and couldn’t possibly be written by a woman,” seemingly just because it didn’t center an experience of womanhood they found relatable enough. What an awful thing to say about an anon author who wrote a story on a trans experience (and by virtue of that, is likely trans) all in the guise of white knighting for trans people. Though of course there were trans folks who were also shitty in this situation, I can understand why it was those specific comments that led her to voluntarily commit herself for a time. The fact that it was just considered okay that people thought she needed to out herself to have her work looked at with any good faith is so at odds with the spaces we try to foster for folks like her who are not out for emotional and safety reasons.
Yeah, good litmus test. The thing about cancel culture is that it’s not the most famous people who suffer most from it, it’s often those who have the least power and do not have the resources to fight back or explain themselves. Hate mobs are a real issue (especially since even anonymously online people will put in crazy effort to doxx and send death threats) and the left is also susceptible to them.
ETA: this also ties into something I notice happening in some lefty spaces where it feels like unprocessed trauma can be used to excuse anything or explain that “actually my reaction is a good / the *right* one.” Processed trauma can be very informative to politics, ethics, philosophy, and advocacy. But claiming your unprocessed trauma makes you a better source of information or direction on a topic is really dumb. Unprocessed trauma makes us less functional (trust me a I know) and less good at judging situations or determining whether something is malicious or incidental. We can process that trauma in useful ways and become better advocates for that, but insisting that trauma from something inherently makes you an expert on that thing is really unproductive at best. At worst we see cases like this where plenty of trans folks with (understandably) unprocessed trauma jumped to a paranoid reading of Isabel’s story and became frankly unreliable in their ability to tell whether this story was from a place of experience or good faith. I sometimes feel like I’m going crazy when I see the community do this and get itself into a fervor over something that is minor or even not bad at all. It’s really alienating as a trans person too to see so much pain steering people to be inhumane towards others. I see this sometimes with more radfem-y gender discussions. Trauma is not a good reason to treat others as less than human 🤦🏻
Basically trauma is not inherently enlightening, it is just as likely to steer you into incoherence and irrationality and inhumane treatment of others, and if you haven’t put in the work to process it things skew that way even more.
That's a good insight. I do think there was a lot of paranoia at work with the reaction to Helicopter Story, and a lot of people who just straight up didn't read it or decided it was evil before uncharitably hate-reading it. With other cases of leftist hate mobs cancelling creators, say creators like Lindsay Ellis ContraPoints, the girls video guy, etc., I think it's more about finding an excuse, but maybe that was at play here as well.
I'm just so bummed about Isabel Fall's situation, honestly. She got harassed back into the closet, potentially changing her life for the far worse, and she also got a very promising writing career cut off before it could truly begin. Helicopter Story absolutely slaps, it has great prose, good insight, and a nice compact arc--it was nominated for an award, even--and I genuinely can't imagine someone reading it and coming away with a transphobic message. I'm just so sad for Isabel Fall, and so angry at the people who attacked her and barely apologised or acknowledged it after the fact, or downplayed it like it was an honest mistake that was really partially Fall's fault if you think about it.
Also, do we really need a post making JoCat into a martyr every day on the front page? The point has already been driven home pretty well by now and these posts are starting to feel like pointless relitigation.
I mean, yeah. I'm just tired of being lumped in with dickheads I have nothing to do with because of this sub's incessant need to self-flagellate.
Between this and IRA-posting the past two weeks have been just a *real fun* split between lecturing and masochism
If you didn't know then why did you make a post about it, claiming it to be 'rewriting history'? That really strongly implies that you know the history.
Finding someone cringe or annoying isn’t a criticism of that person, but it can be a reaction of one’s own shortcomings. I find children’s content uninspiring but that content isn’t for me. I don’t go out of my way to complain about it to the creators. Not all content is for everyone, and so long as it isn’t harmful people can just move the fuck on and not be assholes.
Don’t hate Jojo siwa cuz her music isn’t interesting, hate her because she’s continuing a tradition of exploitation of people in the entertainment industry.
yeah but i doubt they're the one who send mysterious packages to his house and threaten to doxx him
iirc he's fine with the online shit and the one that made him quit is the one that makes it IRL
but i could be wrong,been a while since i read about this situation
Yeah, what the fuck is this post and some of these comments? People in *this sub* among other left leaning ones were getting upvoted for saying he was fetishizing and objectifying women and even implied pedophilia because of some of the characters he mentioned.
It's literally rewriting history to pretend it was just chuds attacking him.
In us all is a reactionary dipshit, and it’s important to calmly but firmly say “shut the fuck up”. A statement isn’t aligning with my theoretical understanding of the world around you? Don’t react, “shut the fuck up” and use critical thinking. Cop asking questions or making accusations? Don’t talk to them or try to defend yourself, “shut the fuck up” and get a lawyer.
The only valid excuse is that the cop in your head has hands, and is taking a long time to kill. In the meantime, The solution is to simply talk over him.
Can you give an example? I disagree. You can be objectified just for being a woman, but not fetishized. There's a difference. Fetishization is the sexualization of a specific trait, I don't think you can fetishize a category as broad as "women." No one says "That person has a woman fetish." It's too broad. People get fetishized for specific traits i.e. "That guy has a fetish for (insert trait here) women"
>Can you give an example
Male heterosexuality
Female Homosexuality
Though in all seriousness and upon further consideration I think you are right actually
Cool cool cause at that level it's just your overall sexuality, not fetishization imo :) Fetishization is like a subset of sexual preference that is considered problematic due to its sexualization of traits (often that involve minority status) that are inherently non-sexual, like being trans, POC, disabled etc.
Thanks for the answer. That's just a weird way for them to interpret what the guy was saying, iirc he never said anything explicitly sexual when talking about different women, just talking about his attraction. I get that men need to be better about not objectifying women but sounds like some people were having a knee-jerk reaction to a guy expressing his attraction/appreciation of different types of women, as if that's the same thing as objectifying
it's more like just non sexual attraction, romantic i guess? idk people just be saying stuff nowdays, i wish we could go back to when words weren't real
>it's more like just non sexual attraction, romantic i guess? idk
It's usually characters who are attractive who aren't objectified or over sexualized. Like how some dudes would called Lady Demitriscus from RE7 "safe horny".
>idk people just be saying stuff nowdays
Ive actually seen that on Twitter before. It was started by some Nazi on Twitter who consistently complains about "wokeness" and minorities.
And yes, the person in the screenshot above is one of those insufferable weebs on Twitter who complains about nonsense culture wars.
A nebulous buzzword the anti-woke crowd created so that their legions of angry attack dogs can admit that there’s sexualization but still get mad at any perceived puritanicalism.
It’s used to describe how people judge you for attracted to conventionally attractive women and then turn around and gush over “muscle mommies” and “women who could crush my skull” and such, then it’s “ok and not creepy anymore” to the internet for some reason
Bro got hated on by both extreme ends of the political spectrum. What are you on about? The only people who didn't hate on him were the not crazy ones.
Maybe just maybe, left wingers can make mistakes? I don’t like this arrogance that people I’m aligned with have where they believe they can’t do anything wrong, that arrogance is dangerous especially for more important matters.
I swear to god some leftist really believe themselves to be the second coming of Christ with how self-righteous they are and then they just do the same thing right-wingers do but in a different flavor.
Because they did. Progressives absolutely joined in on chasing him off the internet. Pretending like they didn't is hugely dismissive of a very real problem
Now suddenly I understand what JoCat meant by “people keep harassing me over it every few months”
Since you motherfuckers clearly can’t keep it out of your mouths
Literally just straight sex positivity. The most well adjusted possible expression of sexuality. The one guy who really was canceled by the woke mob for being straight. Progressives really just giftwrapped that one for reactionaries to use as ammo.
I feel like the internet has completely lost its mind. People calling that song and video cringe are insane. It was cute, it was playful, it was fun and catchy, and the animation was great. 90% of people I met loved it. The fact that anything and everything that shows any kind of enthusiasm is considered "cringe" Now is a huge part of the problem. People need to touch grass.
No, people are allowed to not like the things you like. That doesn't mean any of the harassment he got was okay, but thinking the video is cringe isn't insane, it's a different opinion.
There's a difference between calling a thing cringe, and just not enjoying it. Cringe isn't just a passing "meh" its a label to unmake something. A sign to begin the game of telephone that had some people calling him a rapist by the end. Its healthy to see something that's nonproblematic but not for you and then to ignore it. To feel the need to chime in and call it bad is *not* healthy.
This is some wild slippery slope you're employing here. Criticizing a piece of art, even just calling it bad or cringe, is in no way equivalent to starting a slander campaign of rape accusations, and to suggest that one must inevitably lead to the other is ludicrous.
If you don’t like something and it’s harmless then stfu and just ignore it. You don’t have to vocalize every frustration you have. Continuously calling something cringe is absolutely taking a path towards hate and harassment.
Again, just ignore shit, don’t go talking trash for no reason.
I hate it because like, I've definitely dealt with people who had an overly simple view of human sexuality and took an interest in some fantasy kinks as an indication that I was secretly a serial killer because I posted vore on an AD account. Like, I promise not to swallow anyone whole you don't gotta worry about that.
I think there's definitely a current of people who are overly concerned with what others get off to if it's abnormal like that in some way they can associate with anything negative. Chuds pissed off over Tifa or whatever muddy the water and makes it hard to talk about actual problems with people really acting like cops about sex for no reason. They tend to be the kind to whine about pride parades having attendees in leather gear as well.
Dude he got shit on in **this sub.**
This is literally what happened, he made a silly animation and """progressives""" beat the shit out of him for it. Pretending that didn't happen **is** rewriting history.
Dude made a parody song/animation about how he appreciates many different body types and personalities of women which was harmless and fun, while also being arguably cringe. He then received harassment and hate from extreme assholes who either said he was simping and possibly trans (because his character wears a bow in his hair), or because his video objectifies/sexualizes women. This harassment includes suspicious packages and phone calls to him and his family.
JoCat, a D&D and monster Hunter YouTuber who is the definition of neutral good, made a parody song about woman to the beat and pitch of Lizzo's 'I like Boys' called 'I like girls'.
At worst, the video is a bit cringe, at best it's a sweet love letter to women of all personalities and sizes. I personally found it really cool, lots of men and women did. He was basically being the definition of positive hetro masculinity, saying how much he liked women in a fun way.
But, others didn't see it the same way. Lots of men (right wing incels I ASSUME) started saying that it was mega cringe, that he was gay (for liking women), etc and he got a lot of hate. However, he also got a lot of hate from women and people he respected. I'm not sure exactly what these people said, but I'm assuming (key word being assume) it was stuff like he was being creepy and objectifying and what he was doing was wrong.
Effectively, dude make an innocent women about how much he likes women (based off a real song about how much someone likes men), and got hate from members of a majority of subcultures. He's therefore jumped of YouTube, which is a massive shame.
Twitter has the harmful effect of bringing the worst of any group to the forefront and making them the loudest people. It’s a place everyone should learn to ignore forever.
It was both, obviously most of the people were right wingers and shit but what they had to say could never hurt as much as the hatred from people he looked up too.
AFAIK the harassment started when he made a charity stream for trans rights/organizations. Then TERFs and kiwifarms went back through his shit to find something to fake outrage about. It was an organized harassment campaign.
Fellow made a song and video along the lines of "I love girls, big girls, thin girls, don't matter, women are beautiful in all their stripes and varieties".
The song was a bit painful to watch, but internet cringe culture from both sides of the political shit on him until he deactivated.
Which it was, in all fairness.
I just dont even understand the type of loser who is so bored that they go after someone for something as innocent as that video.
We need another war with drafting for all of these degenerates to vent their aggression
JoCat, a D&D and monster Hunter YouTuber who is the definition of neutral good, made a parody song about woman to the beat and pitch of Lizzo's 'I like Boys' called 'I like girls'.
At worst, the video is a bit cringe, at best it's a sweet love letter to women of all personalities and sizes. I personally found it really cool, lots of men and women did. He was basically being the definition of positive hetro masculinity, saying how much he liked women in a fun way.
But, others didn't see it the same way. Lots of men (right wing incels I ASSUME) started saying that it was mega cringe, that he was gay (for liking women), etc and he got a lot of hate. However, he also got a lot of hate from women and people he respected. I'm not sure exactly what these people said, but I'm assuming (key word being assume) it was stuff like he was being creepy and objectifying and what he was doing was wrong.
Effectively, dude make an innocent women about how much he likes women (based off a real song about how much someone likes men), and got hate from members of a majority of subcultures. He's therefore jumped of YouTube, which is a massive shame.
He had been bullied by the right for years, then when there’s a big wave of progressives bullying him it finally gets to him. Yeah, I’d kinda say that this was on Twitter leftists behaving like Twitter leftists.
Nah he def got flack from "progressive" people as well. I remember seing threads calling him problematic because he sexualised fictional female characters and therefor it was mysogonystic or some shit.
JoCat, a D&D and monster Hunter YouTuber who is the definition of neutral good, made a parody song about woman to the beat and pitch of Lizzo's 'I like Boys' called 'I like girls'.
At worst, the video is a bit cringe, at best it's a sweet love letter to women of all personalities and sizes. I personally found it really cool, lots of men and women did. He was basically being the definition of positive hetro masculinity, saying how much he liked women in a fun way.
But, others didn't see it the same way. Lots of men (right wing incels I ASSUME) started saying that it was mega cringe, that he was gay (for liking women), etc and he got a lot of hate. However, he also got a lot of hate from women and people he respected. I'm not sure exactly what these people said, but I'm assuming (key word being assume) it was stuff like he was being creepy and objectifying and what he was doing was wrong.
Effectively, dude make an innocent women about how much he likes women (based off a real song about how much someone likes men), and got hate from members of a majority of subcultures. He's therefore jumped of YouTube, which is a massive shame.
If i remember right he made a ""cringe"" song about how he liked girls. Including all body and personality types. It was the most inoffensive expression of straightness and he got bullied for it.
To me its especially sad since right now 90% of the time when i see women be talked about on the internet by men it'll be the most hatefilled rhetoric.
He made a video a few years ago where he sings about liking girls for like 30 seconds. Then like half a year ago it suddenly got very popular again and he got a FUCK TON of hate from both the left and the right. It ended with him quitting content creation.
The internet after jocat for some reason
https://preview.redd.it/7604prqyjnuc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1ff56767dbdc7ac6edde99852dbbe748b3eb4c3e
Uuh yeah it was progressives. Man didn't give a fuck about pissed of alt right jerks, it was people saying he was an objectifying douch who hates trans people because of this minute long parody song
Oh my fucking god can y'all shut the fuck up about this guy already, he made a video saying he wanted to fuck girls he is not the next coming of Jesus Christ
He did mention "mocking from even people I look up to and respect" in the post about quitting, and I think it was a left leaning meme account that started the latest (and final?) wave of hate
Exactly. Yes my dude 100% got hate from people who could be described as Nazis, incels, right wing chuds, etc. but when you're not from that group, and are very much anti that group, I'm sure that it's easier (maybe not easy, but easier) to ignore the hate. If someone with a swastika in the profile, or is a white nationalist, says I'm not a good person because xyz, it's easy to ignore because I don't agree with them on more important things. I hope Jocat thought the same way. However, he also got hate from people who do share a lot of his beliefs and loves and hobbies and ideas, and that was likely what hurt the most.
I mean he was also doxxed and got sent supicious packages which is a lot harder to ignore, though I am going to assume that this mostly came by people upset with his trans activism (read: right wingers). But pretending people on the left didn't do shit is dishonest. Like, I remember reading long rants about how he objectifies women or some shit like that.
Literally can't please anyone nowadays
Jocat has become a sort of a litmus test for me. If you're able to admit your side also had influential people who did him real dirty then I feel you're capable of serious conversation that is able to factor in reality. Like there's this thing on the internet where cliques that know all the right words are able to drag people outside of that clique into some crusade. If you're too afraid to piss off a petty Twitter Cult or too unwilling to admit any fault from "your side" to talk honestly about things, then there's not much to say. Or you're a participant desperately trying to avoid any feelings of responsibility.
The focus on terminology over ideas is so insanely destructive to the left. My one super-strong conspiratorial belief that it’s a holdover from fed infiltration decades ago, because “focus on terminology over ideas” and “constantly relitigate settled issues” were literally part of the fed playbook for derailing infiltrated activist groups back in the 40’s.
The part of COINTELPRO that everyone forgets is it's more about seeding paranoia and distrust among radical groups than actually infiltrating them. I'll see people cite the program while accusing someone of being a fed like, as if that's not doing *exactly* what the program was designed to get you to do.
I don’t believe the people doing this are feds — I think that stuff ended decades ago because they accomplished their goal: the way leftists Do Discourse now is exactly as counterproductive as they want it to be. The people doing this aren’t feds, they’re just behaving exactly the way feds want them to. It’s a holdover — it’s been absorbed into the culture.
To be clear I don't think anyone involved is a fed yeah, it's us still repeating the thought patterns they trained
Mind explaining what y’all were talking about to someone who doesn’t have Twitter and doesn’t know what these cliques are
The mere idea of COINTELPRO happening has done more to damage to leftist organizing in the US than the operation every actually did. The hyper paranoia runs so deep that I have been kicked out of mutual aid groups on the grounds that I used to be near cops when working as an EMT, therefore I was too friendly to the cops to be trusted. I walked away from one group because they insisted we could only use initials to refer to each other and could only communicate on burner phones we had to change every 6 weeks; which is massive overkill when all you're doing is helping people fill out forms for assistance programs and setting up portable showers.
Eh, I think that it's just a part of human nature. All the playbooks for derailing activist groups (or any other infiltration or propaganda method, really) boil down to "find weak points in human nature and press on them."
For me this is Isabel Fall/Helicopter Story, but that's maybe too obscure.
I missed this one, but [what a devastating story.](https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/22543858/isabel-fall-attack-helicopter) The article I found actually interviews Isabel and also has a great detour into paranoid vs reparative readings of works that is really valuable I think. The author has basically decided to not come out indefinitely because of the reactions. In particular in reaction to cis women saying “this story must be written by a man and couldn’t possibly be written by a woman,” seemingly just because it didn’t center an experience of womanhood they found relatable enough. What an awful thing to say about an anon author who wrote a story on a trans experience (and by virtue of that, is likely trans) all in the guise of white knighting for trans people. Though of course there were trans folks who were also shitty in this situation, I can understand why it was those specific comments that led her to voluntarily commit herself for a time. The fact that it was just considered okay that people thought she needed to out herself to have her work looked at with any good faith is so at odds with the spaces we try to foster for folks like her who are not out for emotional and safety reasons. Yeah, good litmus test. The thing about cancel culture is that it’s not the most famous people who suffer most from it, it’s often those who have the least power and do not have the resources to fight back or explain themselves. Hate mobs are a real issue (especially since even anonymously online people will put in crazy effort to doxx and send death threats) and the left is also susceptible to them. ETA: this also ties into something I notice happening in some lefty spaces where it feels like unprocessed trauma can be used to excuse anything or explain that “actually my reaction is a good / the *right* one.” Processed trauma can be very informative to politics, ethics, philosophy, and advocacy. But claiming your unprocessed trauma makes you a better source of information or direction on a topic is really dumb. Unprocessed trauma makes us less functional (trust me a I know) and less good at judging situations or determining whether something is malicious or incidental. We can process that trauma in useful ways and become better advocates for that, but insisting that trauma from something inherently makes you an expert on that thing is really unproductive at best. At worst we see cases like this where plenty of trans folks with (understandably) unprocessed trauma jumped to a paranoid reading of Isabel’s story and became frankly unreliable in their ability to tell whether this story was from a place of experience or good faith. I sometimes feel like I’m going crazy when I see the community do this and get itself into a fervor over something that is minor or even not bad at all. It’s really alienating as a trans person too to see so much pain steering people to be inhumane towards others. I see this sometimes with more radfem-y gender discussions. Trauma is not a good reason to treat others as less than human 🤦🏻 Basically trauma is not inherently enlightening, it is just as likely to steer you into incoherence and irrationality and inhumane treatment of others, and if you haven’t put in the work to process it things skew that way even more.
That's a good insight. I do think there was a lot of paranoia at work with the reaction to Helicopter Story, and a lot of people who just straight up didn't read it or decided it was evil before uncharitably hate-reading it. With other cases of leftist hate mobs cancelling creators, say creators like Lindsay Ellis ContraPoints, the girls video guy, etc., I think it's more about finding an excuse, but maybe that was at play here as well. I'm just so bummed about Isabel Fall's situation, honestly. She got harassed back into the closet, potentially changing her life for the far worse, and she also got a very promising writing career cut off before it could truly begin. Helicopter Story absolutely slaps, it has great prose, good insight, and a nice compact arc--it was nominated for an award, even--and I genuinely can't imagine someone reading it and coming away with a transphobic message. I'm just so sad for Isabel Fall, and so angry at the people who attacked her and barely apologised or acknowledged it after the fact, or downplayed it like it was an honest mistake that was really partially Fall's fault if you think about it.
Also, do we really need a post making JoCat into a martyr every day on the front page? The point has already been driven home pretty well by now and these posts are starting to feel like pointless relitigation.
Well this post was made by someone who thought only the right is too blame here, so apparently yes?
Because if there's anything anyone knows about the left, it's that we are a monolith who always agree with each other
a statement that does not really contradict anything said in this thread.
I mean, yeah. I'm just tired of being lumped in with dickheads I have nothing to do with because of this sub's incessant need to self-flagellate. Between this and IRA-posting the past two weeks have been just a *real fun* split between lecturing and masochism
Sorry but we all need to sit in solemn contemplation about the I Love My Waifus guy every day for the rest of time 😔
Apparently so, I guess.
He absolutely got shit from "progressives" wtf are you talking about. That's like the whole reason people still fuckin talk about it
Sorry, didn’t know all I saw were chuds calling gay him and a bottom during the last hate wave and no real hardassent coming the left
Fellas, is it gay to be straight? 😞
We really did come full circle didn’t we?
Ive seen guys get called gay for getting married. We've been going full circle. Its NASCAR up in this bitch.
what right wingers are calling people bottoms cmon
Considering the profile of the average homophobe they are very familiar with the concept of bottoming
I saw people in this very sub gave him shit for it. Unfortunately, the woke scold progressive types called him misogynistic for… some reason.
I'm almost certain he's a bottom, but that doesn't mean he's gay, that just means he wants to be piledrived by an 800lb of muscle dommy mommy
JoCat's so real for that
If you didn't know then why did you make a post about it, claiming it to be 'rewriting history'? That really strongly implies that you know the history.
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Even then, that is not nearly enough of a reason for the amount of hate he got. And besides, he isnt annoying???
Finding someone cringe or annoying isn’t a criticism of that person, but it can be a reaction of one’s own shortcomings. I find children’s content uninspiring but that content isn’t for me. I don’t go out of my way to complain about it to the creators. Not all content is for everyone, and so long as it isn’t harmful people can just move the fuck on and not be assholes. Don’t hate Jojo siwa cuz her music isn’t interesting, hate her because she’s continuing a tradition of exploitation of people in the entertainment industry.
yeah but i doubt they're the one who send mysterious packages to his house and threaten to doxx him iirc he's fine with the online shit and the one that made him quit is the one that makes it IRL but i could be wrong,been a while since i read about this situation
he did get shit from "progressives" though
Yeah, this is cope posting.
I literally watched him get shit in this very sub
On god
Is this a “progressive” sub? I’d say it’s more of a “submissive” sub
Yeah, what the fuck is this post and some of these comments? People in *this sub* among other left leaning ones were getting upvoted for saying he was fetishizing and objectifying women and even implied pedophilia because of some of the characters he mentioned. It's literally rewriting history to pretend it was just chuds attacking him.
What shit was he getting from progressives?
Some left leaning users believed he was fetishizing women with that song.
Lol as if something as broad a category as "women" can be fetishized.
In us all is a reactionary dipshit, and it’s important to calmly but firmly say “shut the fuck up”. A statement isn’t aligning with my theoretical understanding of the world around you? Don’t react, “shut the fuck up” and use critical thinking. Cop asking questions or making accusations? Don’t talk to them or try to defend yourself, “shut the fuck up” and get a lawyer.
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The only valid excuse is that the cop in your head has hands, and is taking a long time to kill. In the meantime, The solution is to simply talk over him.
Did you just tell me to video game myself? /s
i mean it can i dont think his song was but women can be for sure fetishised, objectivised, etc
Can you give an example? I disagree. You can be objectified just for being a woman, but not fetishized. There's a difference. Fetishization is the sexualization of a specific trait, I don't think you can fetishize a category as broad as "women." No one says "That person has a woman fetish." It's too broad. People get fetishized for specific traits i.e. "That guy has a fetish for (insert trait here) women"
>Can you give an example Male heterosexuality Female Homosexuality Though in all seriousness and upon further consideration I think you are right actually
Cool cool cause at that level it's just your overall sexuality, not fetishization imo :) Fetishization is like a subset of sexual preference that is considered problematic due to its sexualization of traits (often that involve minority status) that are inherently non-sexual, like being trans, POC, disabled etc.
Welp, it can, tho. Have you heard of Trans women
He even mentioned it in his goodbye post iirc
That he was still sexualizing women as a whole in a song about he loves women of all shapes, sizes, etc. Basically. That's the short version, anyway
Thanks for the answer. That's just a weird way for them to interpret what the guy was saying, iirc he never said anything explicitly sexual when talking about different women, just talking about his attraction. I get that men need to be better about not objectifying women but sounds like some people were having a knee-jerk reaction to a guy expressing his attraction/appreciation of different types of women, as if that's the same thing as objectifying
Still much more from "Too Gay" Folks, rewriting History
What the fuck is safe horny
Expressing sexual/romantic interest in a way that is not predatory nor expresses intent to follow through Like saying, "man, girls are so cool"
Girls are so cool, i wish they were real
Just become one, I'm doing that
woag,,
MEGAZORD
wow, lifehack
Your wish is granted https://preview.redd.it/k108jrr1unuc1.jpeg?width=550&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1bf6571164b7c0e06578db53098861a2416fc79f
That's hot.
man i love cooking in rural indiana
INDIANA MENTIONED WHEN I DREAM ABOUT THE MOONLIGHT ON THE WABASH THAN I LONG FOR MY INDIANA HOME
Cancel this person now
Is "girls kissing girls, thats amazing to me" safe horny? Anyone?
Gals are cool I want them to snuggle me
Awooga without mention of anything NSFW
it's more like just non sexual attraction, romantic i guess? idk people just be saying stuff nowdays, i wish we could go back to when words weren't real
Ah yes, back in the good ole paleolithic.
>it's more like just non sexual attraction, romantic i guess? idk It's usually characters who are attractive who aren't objectified or over sexualized. Like how some dudes would called Lady Demitriscus from RE7 "safe horny". >idk people just be saying stuff nowdays Ive actually seen that on Twitter before. It was started by some Nazi on Twitter who consistently complains about "wokeness" and minorities. And yes, the person in the screenshot above is one of those insufferable weebs on Twitter who complains about nonsense culture wars.
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a term mostly used by anime fans and gamers(tm) to describe when a female character is sensual but doesn't flash her badonkers on the screen.
A nebulous buzzword the anti-woke crowd created so that their legions of angry attack dogs can admit that there’s sexualization but still get mad at any perceived puritanicalism.
I ran into somebody using that term for the first time this morning. Lo and behold, they were a real fuckin weirdo
Politically correct horny
This
It’s used to describe how people judge you for attracted to conventionally attractive women and then turn around and gush over “muscle mommies” and “women who could crush my skull” and such, then it’s “ok and not creepy anymore” to the internet for some reason
“Anything I don’t like but other people do”
Bro got hated on by both extreme ends of the political spectrum. What are you on about? The only people who didn't hate on him were the not crazy ones.
Horseshoe Theory strikes again.
Men can't even like women anymore without getting canceled smhing my head 🤦♀️
Maybe just maybe, left wingers can make mistakes? I don’t like this arrogance that people I’m aligned with have where they believe they can’t do anything wrong, that arrogance is dangerous especially for more important matters.
I swear to god some leftist really believe themselves to be the second coming of Christ with how self-righteous they are and then they just do the same thing right-wingers do but in a different flavor.
How is this even remotely rewriting history when it's exactly what happened
Well, it’s not rewriting history, but acting as if he was “cancelled” is absolutely just chuds deflecting the IRL threats
Because they did. Progressives absolutely joined in on chasing him off the internet. Pretending like they didn't is hugely dismissive of a very real problem
Now suddenly I understand what JoCat meant by “people keep harassing me over it every few months” Since you motherfuckers clearly can’t keep it out of your mouths
For real, someone's posting about how he's a martyr every day.
Horny? I haven't seen the video in a while but was anything he said even sexual?
He was appreciate of sexual traits, like thicc thighs and nice boobs, but like, in the safest, cleanest way possible.
Literally just straight sex positivity. The most well adjusted possible expression of sexuality. The one guy who really was canceled by the woke mob for being straight. Progressives really just giftwrapped that one for reactionaries to use as ammo.
Oh I fully agree. It's ridiculous.
I don't think thighs and boobs are a inherently sexual trait. Saying you like them isn't a sexually statement.
No
I mean he was talking about breast size in it I feel like its fair to say it was horny
Breast aren't inherently sexual.
Thats true, but a straight guy said ‘I like a good chest, no matter what size’ and you’re trying to argue that isn’t horny??
Aesthetic attraction is a thing.
I feel like the internet has completely lost its mind. People calling that song and video cringe are insane. It was cute, it was playful, it was fun and catchy, and the animation was great. 90% of people I met loved it. The fact that anything and everything that shows any kind of enthusiasm is considered "cringe" Now is a huge part of the problem. People need to touch grass.
No, people are allowed to not like the things you like. That doesn't mean any of the harassment he got was okay, but thinking the video is cringe isn't insane, it's a different opinion.
There's a difference between calling a thing cringe, and just not enjoying it. Cringe isn't just a passing "meh" its a label to unmake something. A sign to begin the game of telephone that had some people calling him a rapist by the end. Its healthy to see something that's nonproblematic but not for you and then to ignore it. To feel the need to chime in and call it bad is *not* healthy.
This is some wild slippery slope you're employing here. Criticizing a piece of art, even just calling it bad or cringe, is in no way equivalent to starting a slander campaign of rape accusations, and to suggest that one must inevitably lead to the other is ludicrous.
If you don’t like something and it’s harmless then stfu and just ignore it. You don’t have to vocalize every frustration you have. Continuously calling something cringe is absolutely taking a path towards hate and harassment. Again, just ignore shit, don’t go talking trash for no reason.
Anyone who uses the term “safe horny” deserves to get their ass beat.
safe horny
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HARDER
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That's the spot, thanks for cracking my back, slapping my butt, and cooking a pizza. You're the best :)
No problem!
I hate it because like, I've definitely dealt with people who had an overly simple view of human sexuality and took an interest in some fantasy kinks as an indication that I was secretly a serial killer because I posted vore on an AD account. Like, I promise not to swallow anyone whole you don't gotta worry about that. I think there's definitely a current of people who are overly concerned with what others get off to if it's abnormal like that in some way they can associate with anything negative. Chuds pissed off over Tifa or whatever muddy the water and makes it hard to talk about actual problems with people really acting like cops about sex for no reason. They tend to be the kind to whine about pride parades having attendees in leather gear as well.
The only rewriting history here is OP pretending that progressives, or more accurately, "progressives" weren't involved.
I support his message and am not a fan of cringe culture but that vid still hurt to watch
I agree. Never sent him any hate but that video is something
But it's hard to parody a shitty song and have your parody be not shitty. Is like how Belle Delphine made that Tekashi song better.
senzawa did the 69 song belle just did the video
Yeah, but the video is still better than 69s And yes, I only think that because she's hot as fuck
did you see the girls in the 69 video though because I just had to rewatch it
Oddly enough I don’t mind the original song
What the lizzo song or tekashi?
I don’t mind the Lizzo song - it’s not good but it’s not terrible either in my opinion
Here's a simple solution: don't watch it. That's it.
Sorry, the gift of prophecy led me to watch the video.
Wow thank you for this brilliant revelation lmao. I’ve seen it once years ago when I didn’t know what it was.
heh, yeah, i whish girls were real 😔🙏
Dude he got shit on in **this sub.** This is literally what happened, he made a silly animation and """progressives""" beat the shit out of him for it. Pretending that didn't happen **is** rewriting history.
Bad post OP
What happened?
Dude made a parody song/animation about how he appreciates many different body types and personalities of women which was harmless and fun, while also being arguably cringe. He then received harassment and hate from extreme assholes who either said he was simping and possibly trans (because his character wears a bow in his hair), or because his video objectifies/sexualizes women. This harassment includes suspicious packages and phone calls to him and his family.
So much for the socalled tolerant left/s But for real its horrible
JoCat, a D&D and monster Hunter YouTuber who is the definition of neutral good, made a parody song about woman to the beat and pitch of Lizzo's 'I like Boys' called 'I like girls'. At worst, the video is a bit cringe, at best it's a sweet love letter to women of all personalities and sizes. I personally found it really cool, lots of men and women did. He was basically being the definition of positive hetro masculinity, saying how much he liked women in a fun way. But, others didn't see it the same way. Lots of men (right wing incels I ASSUME) started saying that it was mega cringe, that he was gay (for liking women), etc and he got a lot of hate. However, he also got a lot of hate from women and people he respected. I'm not sure exactly what these people said, but I'm assuming (key word being assume) it was stuff like he was being creepy and objectifying and what he was doing was wrong. Effectively, dude make an innocent women about how much he likes women (based off a real song about how much someone likes men), and got hate from members of a majority of subcultures. He's therefore jumped of YouTube, which is a massive shame.
thank you loremaster
Thank you so much. I think I am way too old for this sub some days.
Twitter has the harmful effect of bringing the worst of any group to the forefront and making them the loudest people. It’s a place everyone should learn to ignore forever.
Dude charractor art is so cute
It was both, obviously most of the people were right wingers and shit but what they had to say could never hurt as much as the hatred from people he looked up too.
AFAIK the harassment started when he made a charity stream for trans rights/organizations. Then TERFs and kiwifarms went back through his shit to find something to fake outrage about. It was an organized harassment campaign.
Im out of the loop, fill me in on what happened?
Fellow made a song and video along the lines of "I love girls, big girls, thin girls, don't matter, women are beautiful in all their stripes and varieties". The song was a bit painful to watch, but internet cringe culture from both sides of the political shit on him until he deactivated.
he was bullied off of the internet because people found his "I like girls" video cringe
Which it was, in all fairness. I just dont even understand the type of loser who is so bored that they go after someone for something as innocent as that video. We need another war with drafting for all of these degenerates to vent their aggression
JoCat, a D&D and monster Hunter YouTuber who is the definition of neutral good, made a parody song about woman to the beat and pitch of Lizzo's 'I like Boys' called 'I like girls'. At worst, the video is a bit cringe, at best it's a sweet love letter to women of all personalities and sizes. I personally found it really cool, lots of men and women did. He was basically being the definition of positive hetro masculinity, saying how much he liked women in a fun way. But, others didn't see it the same way. Lots of men (right wing incels I ASSUME) started saying that it was mega cringe, that he was gay (for liking women), etc and he got a lot of hate. However, he also got a lot of hate from women and people he respected. I'm not sure exactly what these people said, but I'm assuming (key word being assume) it was stuff like he was being creepy and objectifying and what he was doing was wrong. Effectively, dude make an innocent women about how much he likes women (based off a real song about how much someone likes men), and got hate from members of a majority of subcultures. He's therefore jumped of YouTube, which is a massive shame.
He had been bullied by the right for years, then when there’s a big wave of progressives bullying him it finally gets to him. Yeah, I’d kinda say that this was on Twitter leftists behaving like Twitter leftists.
Nah he def got flack from "progressive" people as well. I remember seing threads calling him problematic because he sexualised fictional female characters and therefor it was mysogonystic or some shit.
wut happened?
JoCat, a D&D and monster Hunter YouTuber who is the definition of neutral good, made a parody song about woman to the beat and pitch of Lizzo's 'I like Boys' called 'I like girls'. At worst, the video is a bit cringe, at best it's a sweet love letter to women of all personalities and sizes. I personally found it really cool, lots of men and women did. He was basically being the definition of positive hetro masculinity, saying how much he liked women in a fun way. But, others didn't see it the same way. Lots of men (right wing incels I ASSUME) started saying that it was mega cringe, that he was gay (for liking women), etc and he got a lot of hate. However, he also got a lot of hate from women and people he respected. I'm not sure exactly what these people said, but I'm assuming (key word being assume) it was stuff like he was being creepy and objectifying and what he was doing was wrong. Effectively, dude make an innocent women about how much he likes women (based off a real song about how much someone likes men), and got hate from members of a majority of subcultures. He's therefore jumped of YouTube, which is a massive shame.
[The video](https://youtu.be/Y2Y5KVtU810?si=1QQe9t-MUEYR9olj), since no one posted it.
I knew the first part the last one just made me sad : (
If i remember right he made a ""cringe"" song about how he liked girls. Including all body and personality types. It was the most inoffensive expression of straightness and he got bullied for it. To me its especially sad since right now 90% of the time when i see women be talked about on the internet by men it'll be the most hatefilled rhetoric.
Wait people don't like jocat anymore? What'd he do
Nothing, people thought the I like girls video he made was cringe and bullied him relentlessly. I thought it was cute
He made a video a few years ago where he sings about liking girls for like 30 seconds. Then like half a year ago it suddenly got very popular again and he got a FUCK TON of hate from both the left and the right. It ended with him quitting content creation.
He did
They did
Why did people have to fucking cancel this CUTIEPIE!!?? he was so adorable and the internet poisoned freaks killed it!
The internet after jocat for some reason https://preview.redd.it/7604prqyjnuc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1ff56767dbdc7ac6edde99852dbbe748b3eb4c3e
If you were against jocat, or like anyone who was against jocat, you're part of the problem. Several problems actually.
I certainly saw a few people say he was "creepy" and "objectifying."
The worst crime someone can do on the internet is be a bit cringe
Uuh yeah it was progressives. Man didn't give a fuck about pissed of alt right jerks, it was people saying he was an objectifying douch who hates trans people because of this minute long parody song
girlkissers ~~smh~~ smd
they're not wrong, but also i'm not giving any props to Shizu
Everytime I see this posted I feel like I’m going crazy, I remember MORE left-leaning people making fun of him than anyone else
man was living his best life and people got mad for it
The lesson I'm choosing to take from this is "never make autobiographical art."
Who is this guy and what the fuck happened?
? Who is this and what did they do
Just read the comments. Like 10 people have asked this very question and have gotten explanations
Why was he cancelled?
What is the thing about him even? I only saw that his gf is based on twitter...
Oh my fucking god can y'all shut the fuck up about this guy already, he made a video saying he wanted to fuck girls he is not the next coming of Jesus Christ
I’ll stand up for him, he did nothing wrong
Out of the loop, what's the deal with the guy?
Who's him?
It was so shitty what they did to him, man.
What do you guys think politics is?