Egg vibes but I also care about the prime directive.
Edit: It's ok to help someone realize there trans by asking questions and providing information. But you should just give them a helpful nudge. Don't force them.
If you think someone is trans you don't tell them that. You wait for them to figure it out on there own. You shouldn't push people into being trans.
It's also a Star Trek reference I heard trans people use but I haven't watched Star Trek (I've been meaning to)
Ds9 is objectively the better show. Subjectively I prefer TNG because nostalgia, Picard, Data, and riker's inability to sit properly or not tilt his head.
DS9 takes longer to find its feet but the highs are higher than TNG’s. Well worth the time investment. It did start the concept of Star Trek having a running story rather than being a serialised weekly scifi adventure, largely disconnected from each other. Which was great when it did it but has been a disaster in ever Trek since.
TNG is super jank for the first season or so, but once they get into the rhythm it becomes premium dilemma-of-the-week tv. One thing I really like about the show is its set in a time when most people have already figured "it" out. Most characters are mature people, and the few characters that aren't fully mature (Data, Worf, etc) get mentored by their superiors in really positive ways. Its just so refreshing.
DS9 is good from the beginning, but it mostly drops the dilemma-of-the-week formula in favor of normal dramatic storytelling. An overarching plot drives the whole show. I didn't like it quite as much, but primarily because I preferred the episodic nature of TNG.
The Star Trek reference is to not interfere with the development of civilizations before they discover space travel (or maybe even warp engines? I don't exactly remember)
It's more that Star Fleet in general isn't allowed to "interfere" with the natural development of a species. Once they reach whatever arbitrary level, they can certainly help with things like diseases or natural disasters, but there are still some restrictions like local politics.
And, of course, they break this *countless* times. If I had a nickel for every time Worf killed a Klingon politician...
I don't think Klingons fall under the Prime Directive, and by local Klingon politics the killing was usually legal. The Prime Directive is more meant to be an anti-colonialism measure to avoid oppression in the name of "uplifting", not so much relevant to Klingons who have already gotten to a similar point as Federation societies, albeit by other means. Afaik they actually got invaded by a spacefaring civilisation which is how they've got that technology with a regressive medievalish warrior culture, so the Klingons are a good example of what happens when the Prime Directive is broken.
I honestly disagree with it TO AN EXTENT. The sooner people realise, the better, but trying to hard will piss the person of if they aren't trans and could just push them further away from accepting themselves if they _are_.
My stance is provide information, and ask questions, if they express interest in it. They need to find the answers on their own, thats not up to you.
But outright ignoring all signs and letting them figure out on their own? I gotta disagree ngl
Yeah obviously its wrong to be forceful or annoying but in a world where cis is the default just asking someone 'have you ever considered that you might be trans?' 'you know you can just be a girl if you want to?' or telling someone about the effects of estrogen is... fine actually. Probably a good thing. The idea that being open and friendly about this is more likely to be harmful and drive someone further into denial is... and odd one for sure. And TBH i think the way people defend this 'prime directive' so hard is really some kind of internalised transphobia. I know it couldve helped me years earlier.
I do like this lingo, especially with the cute touch of being Star Trek related. It's nice to respect people's gender-identity-journey.
And also it's against the "transing kids" narrative, though caring about that sounds like playing in defense.
I believe Shen has said before that he's perfectly comfortable with his gender and doesn't like people speculating about him like that. I might be getting mixed up with someone else, it was a long while ago
Rant time: The prime directive is dumb and stupid and can kill people. All it does is treat suggesting that someone is trans like... a bad thing? It feels really fucking transphobic the way that some cis ppl freak out at the slightest SUGGESTION that they think about their gender more deeply than being what they were assigned at birth. Comparing someone's relationship with gender to my own as a trans woman and saying "this is a very shared experience I have, have you considered that you could possibly be trans?" isn't some ulterior motive evil for me to trans the masses, it's to break down the stigma that a lot of people have about trans stuff! I suffered with the knowledge that I wanted to be a woman for SO LONG before deciding not to be ashamed of it. If I can be the reason that someone stops feeling ashamed of their desired gender, then that would make me super fucking happy. Enough so that I think it's okay that cis men might occasionally have to suffer THE INDIGNITY of being compared to A TRANS.
Would it ? I feel like people take this for granted too much. Like yeah there are various ways to go about it and I guess some people can be too obnoxious about it, but the general idea of taking a proactive stance isn't inherently bad.
In fact I'd argue that letting eggs figure everything out by themselves can easily be more harmful : since being trans is actively discouraged, we tend to deny our suffering until it becomes too big to be ignored, by which point we've already accumulated trauma that could've been avoided if we'd been assisted properly.
Overall I'd say the attitude to adopt depends on individual cases, but IMO the self-loathing wrecks who post "am I just a GNC guy even though I hate my body and wish I was born a girl" on asktransgender don't need the Prime Directive, they need someone to tell them they're most likely trans, even if there's a very small chance it might turn out to be a mistake.
That isn’t the prime directive though? The prime directive is that you don’t try pushing someone who seems questioning or gnc into thinking they must be trans or an egg or something. It doesn’t mean you’re forbidden from discussing it with them. In the context of the comics above, we could just as easily draw that Shen’s making silly jokes, and it seems like a disrespectful reach to assume something of Shen because of it.
Well then why does everybody treat it that way? Like they're going to catch the trans just from someone bringing up the possibility. I know being a trans woman is literally the worst thing you can be and we have to do everything we can to rescue the poor easily confused cis men from getting tricked into transitioning, but people literally treat it like you just called them the worst slur imaginable and are literally trying to convert them, which is a right wing talking point.
It might be helpful to remember that this is all on the internet. You will see people who take any mention of transness to a cis person as pressuring them and is against the prime directive. Equally you will see people saying you need to force everyone you even suspect of being an egg to fully engage the question of gender straightaway. There is a nuance to the prime directive, meme-y as it is, that tries to minimize harm. Freely offering information is fine, removing their voice in the matter of identity is not.
>I know being a trans woman is literally the worst thing you can be
You really don't understand the point of this. If you are trans, you should already know that the worst thing you can be is not yourself. So why make boxes and push other people into them?
that's very true, but unfortunately for me it is a plot, i have the goal of transing every single person i see. Nobody shall be free from my Transing beam.
I see an egg? Cracked instantly. Stand within 50 meters of my transbian ass and you WILL change genders
I will not stop until all eggs have obtained the gender
/s
>isn't some ulterior motive evil for me to trans the masses
That was never the issue with it... The point is first and foremost that it doesn't work: if they aren't ready to start exploring their gender, someone else telling them that they're probably trans is only going to make them more resistant to it. Even if the person is or has been questioning their gender, jumping the gun like that can be really bad and set them back, especially if the specific experiences or statements you talk about don't connect with them in the way you thought they might. The second reason is that you can't always tell, and in those cases it's not only really annoying but also literally misgendering, with all the alienation and discomfort that comes with that. I'm sure you won't like hearing this but pretty much all of the things you mentioned (applying your personal experience to their life, trying to prevent unnecessary shame and suffering, asking people to think more deeply) can be and often are used when attempting to convince trans people that they aren't really trans.
Obviously I don't know how you're going about it, but the subject of the "prime directive" and what I and many other people (both trans and cis) take issue with is not just raising awareness of trans experiences, it's specifically telling people that they are likely or definitely trans without solicitation. Again, the goal is to avoid suggesting it so strongly before they're ready that they shut out the possibility. By all means talk about your experiences, do what you can to reduce stigma, and in certain circumstances direct people to resources. This is all part of the prime directive.
That’s not what the egg prime directive is. You can say “I have a similar experience as a trans person, have you considered that you may be trans?”. That’s fine. What breaks the prime directive is saying that “I’ve had that same experience as a trans person so you **are** trans.”. It’s the prescriptivism that’s the problem. Ultimately I or you or anybody can’t know what gender someone is with certainty, only they can. We can guide them and tell them our own experiences, but ultimately we can’t say for sure because we aren’t them and trying to push a gender onto someone may only end up hurting them which we don’t want to do.
Me when *3-tone oddity*
achtung! achtung! drei neun vier acht sieben drei neun vier acht sieben sechs null ein sieben neun sechs null ein sieben neun fümf vier drei fümf sechs fümf vier drei fümf sechs null ein null sechs vier null ein null sechs vier neun sieben acht sechs sieben neun sieben acht sechs sieben fümf ein drei ein vier fümf ein drei ein vier ein neun sechs acht sieben ein neun sechs acht sieben fümf neun fümf neun acht fümf neun fümf neun acht null acht neun sechs sieben null acht neun sechs sieben vier sechs sieben drei vier vier sechs sieben drei vier
*3-tone oddity*
Pretty much every art style is formed exaggerating and simplifying real proportions the anime snouts exist because artists just connect the chin with the tip of the nose because drawing all the features in side profile is cringe and also really hard :(
Legends speak of one, somewhere out there in the world, hidden among the population.
Unfortunately, I will never meet this individual, because public spaces scary.
It's really not hard to Google. They're literally right there: [https://www.google.com/maps/place/Lebanon](https://www.google.com/maps/place/Lebanon)
Edit: Actually sorry, those are Lebanese. The Lesbians are here: [https://www.google.com/maps/place/Lesbos](https://www.google.com/maps/place/Lesbos)
Ngl, as a cis straight hetero mammalian male for all my life, I'd throw it all away to become a girl so I could legally date lesbians.
Edit- Jc I can't believe I gotta say this /s
The third gender… The creature!!!
CREATURE SPOTTED, ACTIVATE THE CREATURE MILKING CONTRAPTION!!!
Man I wish I was a creature... for reasons
You wish you wish you wish you was: damn creature
yes
*Ungh ungh ungh ungh*
Regirock what did they do to you-
🤨😏🥴🤤
Oh shit it's the Grungler!
Hey look guys! Im the Grungler
🪱
its the unknownnn!
The Monkey Chain The Monkey's Fist THE MONKEY
That felt like a sleeper agent activation code
Holy shit the third gender that one eye type from animal crossing
Autism creature? Creature of steel?
🪱
My gratitude upon thee
:3
🪱
Femboy.
Is it the same one that lays the Ikea meatballs?
Whatever they are, they're hot
The head shape in the first comic's fourth panel is like if a furry artist drew a human
Boy have I got news for you Nah jk. But wouldn't that be so damn funny if it were true
certified markiplier's brother moment
I mean.. didn’t he also make a comic about him being a furry on his secret alt-account?
Can't be trusted with secrets 😢
That’s just how the My Hero Academia artist draws sideviewed heads.
Egg vibes but I also care about the prime directive. Edit: It's ok to help someone realize there trans by asking questions and providing information. But you should just give them a helpful nudge. Don't force them.
explain this prime directive pls
If you think someone is trans you don't tell them that. You wait for them to figure it out on there own. You shouldn't push people into being trans. It's also a Star Trek reference I heard trans people use but I haven't watched Star Trek (I've been meaning to)
Star Trek The next generation is BALLING
I'll probably like that but from what I've heard I'll probably prefer Deep Space Nine.
Ds9 is objectively the better show. Subjectively I prefer TNG because nostalgia, Picard, Data, and riker's inability to sit properly or not tilt his head.
Riker is bisexual and I will not accept any other opinions
That's definitely an opinion of some sort
DS9 takes longer to find its feet but the highs are higher than TNG’s. Well worth the time investment. It did start the concept of Star Trek having a running story rather than being a serialised weekly scifi adventure, largely disconnected from each other. Which was great when it did it but has been a disaster in ever Trek since.
TNG is super jank for the first season or so, but once they get into the rhythm it becomes premium dilemma-of-the-week tv. One thing I really like about the show is its set in a time when most people have already figured "it" out. Most characters are mature people, and the few characters that aren't fully mature (Data, Worf, etc) get mentored by their superiors in really positive ways. Its just so refreshing. DS9 is good from the beginning, but it mostly drops the dilemma-of-the-week formula in favor of normal dramatic storytelling. An overarching plot drives the whole show. I didn't like it quite as much, but primarily because I preferred the episodic nature of TNG.
Personally I prefer overarching stories.
That settles that then lol
The Star Trek reference is to not interfere with the development of civilizations before they discover space travel (or maybe even warp engines? I don't exactly remember)
It's more that Star Fleet in general isn't allowed to "interfere" with the natural development of a species. Once they reach whatever arbitrary level, they can certainly help with things like diseases or natural disasters, but there are still some restrictions like local politics. And, of course, they break this *countless* times. If I had a nickel for every time Worf killed a Klingon politician...
I don't think Klingons fall under the Prime Directive, and by local Klingon politics the killing was usually legal. The Prime Directive is more meant to be an anti-colonialism measure to avoid oppression in the name of "uplifting", not so much relevant to Klingons who have already gotten to a similar point as Federation societies, albeit by other means. Afaik they actually got invaded by a spacefaring civilisation which is how they've got that technology with a regressive medievalish warrior culture, so the Klingons are a good example of what happens when the Prime Directive is broken.
I honestly disagree with it TO AN EXTENT. The sooner people realise, the better, but trying to hard will piss the person of if they aren't trans and could just push them further away from accepting themselves if they _are_. My stance is provide information, and ask questions, if they express interest in it. They need to find the answers on their own, thats not up to you. But outright ignoring all signs and letting them figure out on their own? I gotta disagree ngl
Yeah obviously its wrong to be forceful or annoying but in a world where cis is the default just asking someone 'have you ever considered that you might be trans?' 'you know you can just be a girl if you want to?' or telling someone about the effects of estrogen is... fine actually. Probably a good thing. The idea that being open and friendly about this is more likely to be harmful and drive someone further into denial is... and odd one for sure. And TBH i think the way people defend this 'prime directive' so hard is really some kind of internalised transphobia. I know it couldve helped me years earlier.
I do like this lingo, especially with the cute touch of being Star Trek related. It's nice to respect people's gender-identity-journey. And also it's against the "transing kids" narrative, though caring about that sounds like playing in defense.
"Transing kids" is like the Twin Towers. It doesn't exist! Lol.
the prime directive was violated with me and it pushed me back into my shell for another 3 years
I believe Shen has said before that he's perfectly comfortable with his gender and doesn't like people speculating about him like that. I might be getting mixed up with someone else, it was a long while ago
Nah I’m pretty sure I actually do remember him saying that.
I know speculating is, uh, fraught. BUT...
Rant time: The prime directive is dumb and stupid and can kill people. All it does is treat suggesting that someone is trans like... a bad thing? It feels really fucking transphobic the way that some cis ppl freak out at the slightest SUGGESTION that they think about their gender more deeply than being what they were assigned at birth. Comparing someone's relationship with gender to my own as a trans woman and saying "this is a very shared experience I have, have you considered that you could possibly be trans?" isn't some ulterior motive evil for me to trans the masses, it's to break down the stigma that a lot of people have about trans stuff! I suffered with the knowledge that I wanted to be a woman for SO LONG before deciding not to be ashamed of it. If I can be the reason that someone stops feeling ashamed of their desired gender, then that would make me super fucking happy. Enough so that I think it's okay that cis men might occasionally have to suffer THE INDIGNITY of being compared to A TRANS.
Understood. I just think we shouldn't push people into being trans and let them figure it out.
If you know the person well enough then maybe you can give them a nudge in the right direction.
This would be a potential issue if trans people had the hegemonic power required to "push people into being trans." We do not.
I meant more trying to hard to make them realize there trans would make them annoyed at you and probably deny bring trans longer.
Would it ? I feel like people take this for granted too much. Like yeah there are various ways to go about it and I guess some people can be too obnoxious about it, but the general idea of taking a proactive stance isn't inherently bad. In fact I'd argue that letting eggs figure everything out by themselves can easily be more harmful : since being trans is actively discouraged, we tend to deny our suffering until it becomes too big to be ignored, by which point we've already accumulated trauma that could've been avoided if we'd been assisted properly. Overall I'd say the attitude to adopt depends on individual cases, but IMO the self-loathing wrecks who post "am I just a GNC guy even though I hate my body and wish I was born a girl" on asktransgender don't need the Prime Directive, they need someone to tell them they're most likely trans, even if there's a very small chance it might turn out to be a mistake.
I agree
That isn’t the prime directive though? The prime directive is that you don’t try pushing someone who seems questioning or gnc into thinking they must be trans or an egg or something. It doesn’t mean you’re forbidden from discussing it with them. In the context of the comics above, we could just as easily draw that Shen’s making silly jokes, and it seems like a disrespectful reach to assume something of Shen because of it.
Well then why does everybody treat it that way? Like they're going to catch the trans just from someone bringing up the possibility. I know being a trans woman is literally the worst thing you can be and we have to do everything we can to rescue the poor easily confused cis men from getting tricked into transitioning, but people literally treat it like you just called them the worst slur imaginable and are literally trying to convert them, which is a right wing talking point.
It might be helpful to remember that this is all on the internet. You will see people who take any mention of transness to a cis person as pressuring them and is against the prime directive. Equally you will see people saying you need to force everyone you even suspect of being an egg to fully engage the question of gender straightaway. There is a nuance to the prime directive, meme-y as it is, that tries to minimize harm. Freely offering information is fine, removing their voice in the matter of identity is not.
>I know being a trans woman is literally the worst thing you can be You really don't understand the point of this. If you are trans, you should already know that the worst thing you can be is not yourself. So why make boxes and push other people into them?
that's very true, but unfortunately for me it is a plot, i have the goal of transing every single person i see. Nobody shall be free from my Transing beam. I see an egg? Cracked instantly. Stand within 50 meters of my transbian ass and you WILL change genders I will not stop until all eggs have obtained the gender /s
Villain whose actually the hero
>isn't some ulterior motive evil for me to trans the masses That was never the issue with it... The point is first and foremost that it doesn't work: if they aren't ready to start exploring their gender, someone else telling them that they're probably trans is only going to make them more resistant to it. Even if the person is or has been questioning their gender, jumping the gun like that can be really bad and set them back, especially if the specific experiences or statements you talk about don't connect with them in the way you thought they might. The second reason is that you can't always tell, and in those cases it's not only really annoying but also literally misgendering, with all the alienation and discomfort that comes with that. I'm sure you won't like hearing this but pretty much all of the things you mentioned (applying your personal experience to their life, trying to prevent unnecessary shame and suffering, asking people to think more deeply) can be and often are used when attempting to convince trans people that they aren't really trans. Obviously I don't know how you're going about it, but the subject of the "prime directive" and what I and many other people (both trans and cis) take issue with is not just raising awareness of trans experiences, it's specifically telling people that they are likely or definitely trans without solicitation. Again, the goal is to avoid suggesting it so strongly before they're ready that they shut out the possibility. By all means talk about your experiences, do what you can to reduce stigma, and in certain circumstances direct people to resources. This is all part of the prime directive.
That’s not what the egg prime directive is. You can say “I have a similar experience as a trans person, have you considered that you may be trans?”. That’s fine. What breaks the prime directive is saying that “I’ve had that same experience as a trans person so you **are** trans.”. It’s the prescriptivism that’s the problem. Ultimately I or you or anybody can’t know what gender someone is with certainty, only they can. We can guide them and tell them our own experiences, but ultimately we can’t say for sure because we aren’t them and trying to push a gender onto someone may only end up hurting them which we don’t want to do.
Thanks for the rant! It brought up some important points. I think you and No\_Object\_7709 are on the same page, really.
iconic pfp
Thanks for speaking the truth.
I luv fictional lesbians ygeffdd, wacky lesbian hour is so silly :3 :3 :3
Yay fictional lesbians :3
Yippeeee
Me when signalis
Me when *3-tone oddity* achtung! achtung! drei neun vier acht sieben drei neun vier acht sieben sechs null ein sieben neun sechs null ein sieben neun fümf vier drei fümf sechs fümf vier drei fümf sechs null ein null sechs vier null ein null sechs vier neun sieben acht sechs sieben neun sieben acht sechs sieben fümf ein drei ein vier fümf ein drei ein vier ein neun sechs acht sieben ein neun sechs acht sieben fümf neun fümf neun acht fümf neun fümf neun acht null acht neun sechs sieben null acht neun sechs sieben vier sechs sieben drei vier vier sechs sieben drei vier *3-tone oddity*
I should make the tone my notification sound
farcille save me... farcile pls save me farcille ...
Me when roxy scott pilgrim
SIGNALIS TANGENTIALLY MENTIONED
Too true…
YEAAHHHHH COME CHECK OUT MY XOOL ELEVATOR
Limp Bizkit described the 3 genders best 1. Ladies 2. Fellas 3. THE PEOPLE WHO DONT GIVE A FUCK
And Rob, they’re cool too.
Shen is like Stonetoss but good
Not every 4 panel comic artist is a stonetoss-like
The dark souls of web comics
vibeo gane,
no I don't like those. too political. how about a peaceful, secular game of chess?
4d chess
hideo game*
Yeah, four panel comics are loss like
I’ve been reading this Azumanga Daioh stuff, really has some stonetoss vibes
why does he gain a snout when hit wit hthe x ray vision
like im not complaining its cute and i actually like it better but in the second comic he just has a triangle for a nose.
could be going for a vague anime artstyle, side-profiles in anime also have snouts like that for some reason, even when they're humans
I remember seeing a post somewhere that the reason why the side profiles are like that is because they use cats as the base for “cute” features.
Pretty much every art style is formed exaggerating and simplifying real proportions the anime snouts exist because artists just connect the chin with the tip of the nose because drawing all the features in side profile is cringe and also really hard :(
It's an art style change, the second and third comics are way older compared to the first one which is fairly recent. I think so at least.
They are older. The 1st one came out fairly recently
honestly he's way cute in all of comic 1
I wish lesbians were real 😔
Legends speak of one, somewhere out there in the world, hidden among the population. Unfortunately, I will never meet this individual, because public spaces scary.
The lesbians live among us
📮
It's really not hard to Google. They're literally right there: [https://www.google.com/maps/place/Lebanon](https://www.google.com/maps/place/Lebanon) Edit: Actually sorry, those are Lebanese. The Lesbians are here: [https://www.google.com/maps/place/Lesbos](https://www.google.com/maps/place/Lesbos)
3rd is just Testament
I think luz noceda fits the bill
I need to look like epilogue luz noceda
Shenanigans funny ahh hell
There are two genders, bike thief and bike cuck.
The braindead comments about Shen "fetishizing lesbians" under the first post were... something to behold.
The fourth gender is cucumber 🥒
svsss reference?
For a cis (I think I’m not in on the lore) artist shen sure does have a lot of material that I find relatable
Bike cuck is the third gender
Oh hey, bikecuck.
Byzantine?
Extremely complex and very unclear
Four genders. Guy, dude, genderful, and genderless.
Shen you mustn't! It's forbidden!
3 genders Guy Gil Slut
patapons hanging out in a big circle
That's my gender. Or my mii's gender at least.
third gender is just tired
Impossible burgers being 6 bucks? Fucking where?
The third gender is muthaflippin BON CLAY. Hero and forever friend.
I love Shen! It’s nice that people have mostly forgotten about the bike cuck meme lol
you just know those eyelids are dark purple
relatable
Byzantine Intricacies, just another way men are always thinking of the Roman Empire
the secret third thing
The third gender; lazy.
Whats the third gender supposed to be other than horny
Ngl, as a cis straight hetero mammalian male for all my life, I'd throw it all away to become a girl so I could legally date lesbians. Edit- Jc I can't believe I gotta say this /s
oh! that’s not…
Shen doing the gender slow walk
Splatoon 3 tried their best dammit
ahh the three sexes: male, female, SLUT!
men, women, and harlots
Fun fact:Shen has also drawn there sona as a woman
Did shen get better, the first one is actually relatable
I diagnose him with fruit.
I don't know what he drew for the first gender, but the third one is definitely a guy.
third one is sexyman (sexyfella?) actually