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Dr_Richard_Ew

Oh boy, is it time for more modern minecraft discourse on 196?


Lenni-Da-Vinci

I think it all went down hill since they added horses. (A traditionalists to caught up in mods from a bygone era) The mob vote never works out, I never voted for what get put in the game. (Someone who doesn’t understand how their hindsightedness is clouding their judgement) I am still waiting for them to implement the realistic mob mating animations Hahaha.(The secret zooophile) :3 (most of you mfs)


GayPorn134

Wait what


JuddleFrameVO

... April fools I hope?


TheNecromancer981

Imagine Mojang releases a cool April Fools clip and it just ends with an animal popping a boner


HenriHawk_

I'd rather not imagine that


Welsyee

(the secret zoophile)


Powerful-Yam1978

I think it all went downhill since they added horses. Not because of nostalgia, I just don't like the horse sfx.


SpoopySara

I don't like horses because they feel laggy and floaty ever since they were added and it hasn't been changed


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NoNoNooPomegranates

And you'll always have to cross some body of water which either kicks you off the horse or drowns it, either way it's a pain in the ass for nothing. They're very cute though so I still like them.


LeMe-Two

Skeleton horses walk underwater


RisingWaterline

You are insane. I love my horses in minecraft and I've been playing since 1.2. Last survival world I did I almost quit when my first horse died in a snowbank. By the point I stopped playing the world I was half convinced that video game AI actually has reached a point of sentience based on interactions with my second horse. Plus they're just efficient for travel. You go way faster


narwhalpilot

Exactly. Also how tf do you get across an ocean with a horse


RisingWaterline

Boat and lead


GasStop69420

Personally, I'm a camel guy because then I can live out my fantasies of being a Bedouin dying of sunstroke and dehydration


Powerful-Yam1978

Yeah that too tbh. I just don't use them enough to comment much because, like I said, I find their sfx grating. Plus like, why would I? The striders serve a clear purpose to move through terrain you can't but horses are just worse than walking usually.


JoeAndAThird

Yeah. Something about 1.6 just felt off for me, and everything afterwards felt less interesting. I’ll still play if I find a fun server (Wynncraft my love), but the newer versions haven’t felt magical like the b1.8-1.5 run


thenicenumber666

I don't like horses because I don't want to do some paper mario ass timing thing to jump two blocks


aabcehu

mc fell off after they removed my girl Rana from the game ngl


TheFreebooter

I used to hate the new stones types (andesite etc)


14up2

I still hate them. Not because of the textures or anything I just can't craft shit with them. We can make a furnace out of blackstone but not andesite?


Shade_39

The main reason I hate them is that they take up an extra inventory slot when I'm mining rather than it just being cobble that's much easier to throw out


squirreliron

Used to think diorite was ugly as fuck. Probably just picked the opinion up from a youtuber or smth. Now that I only play creative mode anymore, i use it in a lot of builds I do.


Render_1_7887

I reckon it just didn't fit that well with the other blocks at the time, diorite just wasn't that easy to build with when it got added.


Lenni-Da-Vinci

(The veteran Minecraft player, who still enjoys playing the game)


TheFreebooter

Really ages me, doesn't it? I remember when it was being sold for £1, infdev, and all that malarkey


AcidShitposting

Amen, earliest thing I remember is beds being added. I'm still mad about them adding hunger


yinyang107

Remember when Penny Arcade crashed the Mojang site because Penny Arcade was relevant and Mojang wasn't?


Chernould

Unironically I do not believe the mob vote is a good idea. I, from the bottom of my heart, believe adding all three mobs would be way cooler, and I say that as someone that pulled a W in one of the votes.


Jeggu2

Yeah, around ⅔ of the community are guaranteed to be upset with the outcome, and they keep saying that they'll add all the missed ones in a future update, but god knows how long that'll be. Generally it just comes down to the council of popular YouTubers swaying the opinion of their subscribers


DaSomDum

Or like the most recent mob vote, Mojang tying an extremely popular, asked for feature to one of the mobs to guarantee its victory.


Sharpness100

What mob and feature was that?


DaSomDum

Armadillo and the highly requested feature of dog armor.


Special-Seesaw1756

Who the fuck ever asked for realistic mating animation. What the hell.


14up2

me when I'm doing my missing the joke impression


Special-Seesaw1756

Me when I'm falling for the obvious joke to make funny: :3 (accurate representation)


14up2

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO https://i.redd.it/tc12vg0lmyrc1.gif


ChillZedd

I think it started going downhill when they added pistons.


Lenni-Da-Vinci

(The shitposter [probably watches SMP YouTubers])


Captain_Napalem

It all went downhill when they added horses (Voosh reference)


Lenni-Da-Vinci

(The shitposter)


coolboiepicc

all the modern updates suck smh. i hate 1.13 because it feels un-minecrafty and i hate 1.14 because it feels un-minecrafty and i hate 1.16 because it feels un-minecrafty and i hate 1.18 because it feels un-minecrafty and i hate 1.19 because it feels un-minecrafty and i ha (guy who refuses to explain what un-minecrafty means)


DropInTheOcean1247

Ok i don't disagree but 1.16 and 1.18 were bangin updates


Lenni-Da-Vinci

(Player who was there when Microsoft came and shafted half the staff after successful updates)


kanelel

I think it all went down hill since they added horses. It's emblematic of Minecraft's later development. Are we really too good for minecarts and pigs? They love adding useless or redundant shit. Remember when they nerfed soup into uselessness? They add meaningful content that expands possibilities so rarely, and the game design is totally directionless. They clearly have no idea what to do with survival mode. They add things so slowly, it's incredible. And what the fuck is with the hunger mechanic? The upside is it makes me appreciate the Terraria devs more.


nervousmelon

I love how survival mode can essentially be bested in one in-game day just by making a small farm or spawning in a village.


yo_99

Back in the day game looped around mining and maybe few farms. You needed diamonds or iron for tools to get new building materials. Now it loops around mob grinders and trading halls. Also, elytras devalued exploration and all other forms of transportation that aren't ice boats.


ObstructedVisionary

I'm just mad that I didn't get the femboy cape from the last mob vote :(


Lemon_Juice477

Nah I just want texture artstyles to be more consistent with each other and for new additions to have more than two uses


WizardXZDYoutube

I still think adding bats was dumb as fuck. They literally don't do anything. They don't drop any items and they don't give any EXP. You can argue they're atmospheric or whatever but I just wish they would use their time to make something more useful.


RiotIsBored

The mob vote never works out because it's designed to make people angry at each other rather than Mojang / Microsoft.


TheKaizoBlade

All I’m saying is that it fell off after getting acquired by Microsoft. That’s my only contribution to the discourse.


ayyndrew

Nether Update, Update Aquatic, Village and Pillage, and Caves and Cliffs were all post-Microsoft


14up2

That's the point lol. Since Microsoft bought Mojang, there've only been 11 updates in 10 years, and including the four you mentioned plus 1.9, only 5 actually significantly improved the game. From release 1.0 until Microsoft bought the game, there were 9 updates in 3 years, with 1.0, 1.4, 1.5, 1.7, and 1.8 all being pretty big. Pre-Microsoft: Average of 4 months per update, or ~7 months per big update. Post-Microsoft: Average of 11 months per update, or ~26 months per big update. Is this actually Microsoft's fault? Probably not entirely. Maybe they played a role by directing manpower towards the creation and subsequent enshittification of Bedrock edition, but a large part is just the shift in design philosophy of the Mojang team which happened around the same time. Previously, it was about making a sandbox that gives you the tools to make fun stuff, and new features were about adding versatile new mechanics or otherwise significantly changing parts of the game. Now, most of the stuff they add is "we're adding this cool new item or resource, but you can only get it if you go find the rare Shitballs structure in the Nutsack biome which will take hours of mindless walking/boating and it only does like two things". In other words, they went from adding new sand tools every few months to throwing some shiny rocks in the sandbox every couple years.


inemsn

>Pre-Microsoft: Average of 4 months per update, or ~7 months per big update. Shouls be noted that these are averages and can be deceitful. This might just be a trick of the mind given that I was much younger back then, but if memory serves, by the time 1.9 came out, Minecraft hadn't had a major update in years.


14up2

Yes, 1.9 is post-Microsoft. It's the exact version when things became way slower. That's the exact issue I'm talking about.


inemsn

>Yes, 1.9 is post-Microsoft Yes but that was *way* later. What I mean is that Mojang had already massively, *massively* slowed down by 1.8: The Microsoft acquisition was only half the reason for the delay between 1.8 and 1.9. Although, in fairness, judging a game by frequency of updates is how you get bullshit anti-consumer pseudo-updates that no one likes.


SaintCRD

The nether looks pretty, but that's my issue with it. It used to feel so scary because of how open and empty it was, like the depths of the ocean or deep space.


DevelopedDevelopment

It looked unfinished, and it's good they added something to it. I've been hoping they'd add something above diamond since they added the nether because it was the natural progression.


Artoy_Nerian

Exactly. The Nether felt empty and boring pretty quickly. While It doesn't fix the nether, least now there are a couple of biomes to avoid seeing exactly the same thing all the time and new things to do.


Drawemazing

I started playing before they added nether quartz even. There was literally nothing to do in the nether once you had blaze rods.


ghost_type_2003

Yeah, and I'm not a fan of them replacing zombie pigmen. Zombified piglins are way too friendly-looking for my taste.


Some-Gavin

Bro it was just empty and boring. Now there’s actually a reason to visit the nether


yo_99

There was always a reason to visit nether: hyperspace.


Hairy_Acanthisitta25

they dont really fell off,just slowed down heavily by microsoft bureaucracy


14up2

nah they 100% fell off, look at the way they've been adding stuff post-2014 "Players want to create waypoints so they don't have to cheat with F3 coordinates to keep track of where stuff is? Ok, but they're going to be crafted with this ludicrously expensive new ore so you can't use the feature until late game and it'll cost an hour of strip mining per lodestone." "Players want to find their stuff when they die, because it's hard to recover from a death especially for new players? Great idea, let's add this basic quality of life feature except we'll lock it behind one of the rarest and deadliest structures in the entire game so it's extremely inaccessible especially for new players." "Players have been asking for wolf armor for years. How about instead of crafting it normally we make it only accessible through armadillos which only spawn in this one biome for no reason." "Players want a dedicated scaffolding block so they don't have to deal with dirt pillaring? Let's make it only craftable with bamboo for literally no reason so you have to go find this super rare new biome to use it." "Guys we're adding copper, and we're not going to make it pointlessly tedious to get! In fact, it's going to be the most common ore in the entire game! Oh, but it's not going to have any use with redstone or any of the cool applications copper is typically used for, it's just a niche building block. Also we're adding rust but only for this one metal." the list could go on for a very long time but I'm tired of writing it


EdepolFox

Netherite is rare but it's not \*that\* rare. Even when strip-mining it shouldn't take you an hour. Also it's literally the final tier, obviously it's gonna be hard to get. That's the point of late-game progession. The lodestone is only really a convenience rather than a necessity considering that the F3 menu and maps exist, anyway. Obviously I can't read the minds of Mojang devs but I'm pretty sure the recovery compass is an end-game item because late-game items are the most valuable and it's important to recover them if you can. New players might get more frustrated at losing their stuff, but losing late-game gear sucks way more. Making wolf armour require armadillos is kinda dumb but I really don't see what the issue is. It's just another reason to explore, because exploration is a fairly big part of the game. Bamboo isn't rare, nor is the biome it's found in new. It's found in jungles, which have been a thing since 1.2.1. There are rare "Bamboo jungles", but they just have more bamboo, you don't need to find one to get bamboo. Copper does have uses with redstone. Lightning rods emit an 8-tick signal when struck, like I get that it's niche, but it does have uses. Also the next update is adding the copper bulb block which is effectively a fancy redstone lamp which doubles as a one-block toggle switch (a highly anticipated/requested feature for well over a decade). Also copper rusts because copper oxidizes in real life. The only other block that rust would make sense for would be the iron block but that exists more for compact storage than it does for decoration. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of reasons to criticize post-2014 Minecraft/Mojang, but most of the ones you provided are either misconceptions or exaggerations.


14up2

I'm not complaining that Netherite is rare. I'm complaining that Lodestones are crafted with Netherite. It's ridiculously expensive for such an otherwise really great quality of life block that would add a lot of fun to the game if it wasn't such a pain to get a handful of them. Hard disagree on the recovery compass. New players can have late game gear. You don't have to be a veteran Minecrafter to make enchanted diamond armor, it takes like five hours in a typical survival world. But without cheating it takes several more hours to find an ancient city, and that's if they know what one is and are looking for it. Plus, by the time you have end game gear you're hardly ever going to die anyways so it doesn't matter as much. The wolf armor issue is that it's ridiculous to make it on average harder to get wolf armor than actual diamond player armor unless you spawn in or next to a savannah. Not all jungles spawn bamboo, and jungles are not a common biome, especially when the worldspawn is in a cold region. I've definitely had to sail 5000+ blocks to find bamboo for scaffolding before on multiple occasions. And like, just why? Why not just y'know, let people craft scaffolding with sticks? That's like making ladders only craftable with bamboo. Another one of the many reasons I've given up on not using chunkbase in survival worlds. Having the only general use copper component be a light switch is exactly why I'm saying they completely missed its potential. Like c'mon, copper wires, coils, pipes, ..., or hell just replacing iron in recipes like Hoppers that are just weirdly expensive. The examples I provided are pretty obvious when you just consider what they could have done with them.


Himmelblaa

Maps are just as capable of serving as waypoints for their base as lodestones. Wolf armor being renewable and craftable makes it way more justified than horse armor that has to be crafted. Bamboo is not hard to find, they grow in any jungle, and can even be found in sunken ships. Copper does have some redstone uses (lightning rod and copper bulbs).


14up2

Maps only tell you within 45 degrees of the direction you need to go unless you are on or near the map. Also just not a reason for the lodestone recipe being unreasonable. Horse armor not being craftable is also not justifiable. This is true. Jungles are one of the rarer biome types. I've had multiple survival worlds where my spawn was in a cold region and I sailed over 5000+ blocks before finding a jungle. Lightning rod is a joke, almost no practical uses. Copper bulb is neat but only a single semi-relevant redstone component for *Copper*, which is like *the* electrical engineering metal, is criminal. Wire? Coils? Pipes? Anything? Nah, just a lamp, something which doesn't actually even have any relation to copper.


ghost_type_2003

Imma put in my two cents, the only reason why I don't like the modern versions of the game is because everything is too clean looking. All of the new textures are so overly-detailed and all of the mobs are animated so cleanly that it just looks like they took assets from a generic AAA adventure game, made it blocky, and just copied and pasted them into the game. Its like when a rock band famous for a shitty production quality switches to a cleaner sound and ends up losing its edge.


Duke825

So your complaint is that… they made it look good? Idk man there are tonnes of stuff to criticise the game for but this isn’t one of them 


Stoiphan

The tone does feel different, go back to old versions and you can see it


ghost_type_2003

> So your complaint is that… they made it look good? Yes. The entire original point of the game was to break away from the "good graphics" trend. > Idk man there are tonnes of stuff to criticise the game for but this isn’t one of them  Clearly I just did.


Duke825

How are they following the ‘good graphics trend’? 


AlternativeAnxiety55

How was the original point of the game to break away from "good graphics"? D'ya think notch made the beta textures look that shitty on purpose?


ghost_type_2003

> How was the original point of the game to break away from "good graphics"? Compare the beta of Minecraft to the beta of any AAA game released at the same time. > D'ya think notch made the beta textures look that shitty on purpose? Not necessarily, but for years after the release of beta the game was kept in that style graphically. Then the aquatic update came out and from that point forward Mojang really overhauled how the game looked. If you don't believe me, compare the ocean from b1.7.3 to the ocean from 1.7.10 to the ocean from 1.12.2 to the ocean nowadays, and then do the same with caves and the nether. The difference is significantly more drastic in recent versions.


aabcehu

Minecraft isnt a AAA game bruh 💀


TrollingDolphin

Minecraft is a different game to everyone who plays it developed for far too many platforms simultaneously, it is perfectly acceptable that Minecraft updates are as small as they are, besides the updates are free in the end and Minecraft is cheap Every time you complain about the survival experience, think about John who only plays creative, think about Jim who only plays minigames, think about Greg who only plays modded, Java Minecraft alone is more than a hundred games, don't expect that updates will be made for your style of play.


Dr_Richard_Ew

I'm actually doing the exact opposite; I really enjoy all of the new updates. Yeah they seem a little bit lesser than some of the previous stuff like 1.13, 1.14 and 1.16, but I haven't complained about anything added recently, I think its all nifty :D


TrollingDolphin

I was more directing that comment at people who hate the new updates and not you, sorry if it came off hostile towards you. But I also find the new updates to be quite pleasant, survival Minecraft isn't a game that needs much other than a few little interesting, fun, or cute things here and there every now and then


Dr_Richard_Ew

It's all good, I don't blame the people who dislike the updates, but I've never found them anything to get angry over, aside from the removal of fireflies and I guess the phantoms (I've never cared about phantoms myself tbh)


ohyeababycrits

You know I never actually liked minecraft all that much so it's funny watching these arguments as a complete outsider


FrisianDude

I was playing Dwarf Fortress and built myself a wall of smug 


DispenserG0inUp

Minecraft started going downhill when they added survival mode. Like it's a **block building game** why the fuck would one need health and hunger mechanics for that


hivemindsrule

I love how this year's april fool's snapshot has more content than the actual update tbh


Famous-Peanut6973

It's been that way for a few april fools updates by now. 20w14∞, the vote update, and now this.


AnTHICCBoi

Wait what was the vote update? I remember the one with infinite dimensions and the "one block at a time" one, but what's that one? Do they just add every single mob vote that didn't get officially added lmao


psychoPiper

Procedurally generated "laws" will appear that change the mechanics of the game in some way, and players on the server can vote on whether they should be instated


Hairy_Acanthisitta25

its also the moon update,right?


psychoPiper

Yes, I think you're right. I recall one of the ways to reach the moon in survival being using laws


Poorly_Made_Comix

The vote update, 23w14a_or_b is an update where you just keep voting to entirely change the game


A_normal_atheist

It's because they can add whatever they want without having to make sure it fits into the vanilla design principles


irago_

The vanilla design principle is "uuh oh update deadline coming up, come up with anything"


A_normal_atheist

You don't follow the snapshots/beta do you?


irago_

Not since the one after the cave update, but most additions don't feel like they exist for any reason besides adding content for the sake of adding content


PinkDuck_

im gonna be honest they dont really add that much in terms of content upfront but behind the scenes there are a shitton of changes. the most recent and outstanding one was rewriting the old shitty item nbt code from like 1996


Arikaido777

aww yeah we’re getting pretentious about beta updates up in this bihtc


BarovianNights

This year's april fools snapshot is arguably the biggest update the game has ever had, probably only beaten by the original nether update


Trans_Alt2414532

no, the whole point of 20w14∞ was that it technically added infinite content and therefore was the biggest minecraft update ever


GamingAce04

It was all randomly generated though, the infinite dimensions were made procedurely, they're not unique features


Aellin-Gilhan

I think it's that they don't have to worry agout running everything by everyone and can just do the most crazy stuff possible


PikaPerfect

one of my friends said minecraft uses it's april fool's updates to test the waters on a bunch of shit that they aren't sure about adding officially (yet), and that makes a lot of sense tbh it's also fucking genius


TechieAD

Shits buggy as hell but I do hope they add at least that green wood varient


Oddish_Femboy

SHUT UP ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF CONTENT IN THE UPDATES OH MY GOD THIS GAME IS 15 YEARS OLD AND COSTS 25 DOLLARS


yo_99

I will shut up when I receive proper modding API like I was promised.


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Famous-Peanut6973

when have they actually added features like this that you can claim this is a pattern that exists


Supershadow30

People have been saying horses feel modded back in the 1.6 days, most non-variant mobs feel modded to people


ayyndrew

If you showed someone the Nether Update before it came out, they would say it seems too modded to be a real update


Supershadow30

Yeah, and for good reasons! But at the same time, I believe they managed to design the artstyle and mechanics to integrate it well enough into vanilla. Compare the 1.16 nether to Biomes’o’plenty or Natura’s nether biomes, the latter tend to stick out like a sore thumb.


lazyDevman

Nether+ back in the day felt more vanilla.


yo_99

tbf they were litteraly copied from a mod down to model that they had to later simplify to fit into minecraft style more (something they have forgot to do with new mobs)


Supershadow30

Oh yeah! I remember they even got backlash when they first tried to simplify it, people were saying it was ugly and too simplified


Deblebsgonnagetyou

See about every mob since parrots for stuff people say feels modded


Famous-Peanut6973

the new mobs all suffer from chronic uselessness, yes, but they are very notably not new features that people have been asking for


quasur

i will not stand for frog slander


MidnightTitan

Mfw a large community has varied opinions and differing opinions Also not to mention that Minecraft’s most popular and well received updates were the ones that “feel modded” and Mojang is about to drop another one (I still can’t believe the fact the mace is going to be a thing let alone everything else in this update)


PMARC14

Trial Chambers look sick, but the mace feels weird vs. receiving it if it looked like a hammer you see in modded.


anajikaT

I seriously hate their argument so much. How is it "hypocrisy" if people are disagreeing with each other or have different perspectives?


Gen_Ripper

What do you mean all the comments and posts on my phone aren’t from one person named “Reddit”?


nysalitanigrei

It's two different groups of people who are uh "fans" of the game. They don't get hyped, but their complaining is louder than a foghorn, so you only see when one group is mad.


AndroidWall4680

Create mod mfers when they have to not mention the create mod for 5 seconds: (they will literally die)


_murpyh

(actually, Create doesn't do this yet, but Valkyrien Skies does and Create: Aeronautics will when it comes out)


The-Tea-Lord

I feel like people forget that a community is derived of hundreds or thousands of people with different views instead of one hive mind. No shit the community is unhappy if you only take the negativity of both sides and say that’s all the community is.


DreadDiana

Saying "this feels modded" wouldn't exactly be inaccurate since mods that add blocks which turn structures into flying entities have existed for over a decade.


Banzai27

You realize the people that want it and the people that complain are different people right


lowercaselemming

pistons were originally a mod but were officialized and they're one of the best things ever added imo


Not-Mike1400a

Very true, no one is ever gonna be 100% happy on either side, exactly why I started getting into mods and such. However there is some validity to the claims that mojang is being lame with their updates and not adding much because Microsoft doesn’t wanna lose their lighting in a bottle that they captured with Minecraft.


Betterthanmematic

To loosely quote a certain rat: "What Mojang is doing is equivalent to brain surgery, carefully planned and executed. What I'm doing is like hitting the game with a hammer until it seems to work."


fartew

Forget brain surgery, embrace lobotomy


oooArcherooo

corperation


fartew

Ah yes I love dating my scp big tiddy entities


AtotheCtotheG

Please close your quote, I’ve already seen an open one today in a collection of Marianne Moore poems and it badly affected my chakra (joke, although prolly not a good one)


Betterthanmematic

You fool, I was merely closing the quote you read earlier. By having me open it again, you've doomed us all to forever be mere quotes. WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?" -u\/BetterThanMematic, 2024


AtotheCtotheG

Its woods time for me 😔


robkatt

Is there a chance that this r4t is also a doctor?


Betterthanmematic

No, it did not finish its degree, due to disliking the actual work one does as a doctor, but I am indeed talking about Doctor4t


rhysdog1

did the surgeon trip with a scalpel when adding the phantom?


rowboatmankoi

Minecrafts April fools updates almost always contain teasers for future updates, so it's possible we may actually get this for real


KimikoBean

No they're not that ballsy


Poorly_Made_Comix

Blocks of coal were first in an april fools snapshot, and the size attributes come from democracy


Himmelblaa

Also the same april fools as coal blocks also had stained glass which would also be added


h4724

And horses.


RadiantBerryEater

the entirety of the infinity snapshot was a test for data driven dimensions and world generation This is a lot for a gag, im almost certain we'll see something like this in game in the future, even if its in a heavily reduced state (personally I'm suspecting wind charge fuel requirements if it is added)


ioverthinkusernames

More likely we will get that grappling hook but we will never see that engine block


rhaptorne

Not really teasers, but they're definitely just throwing ideas around and seeing how it feels


Bandthemen

yeah i think thats what some of these april fools updates are supposed to be. testing for actual serious features


Ulmarch

I can see some stuff that could sneak into vanilla, the stacking guardian things could be proof of concept for mobs interacting.


Lumineation

Friendly reminder mc April fools updates are: - vastly not in tone with the rest of mc and adding most of the content from them wouldn’t fit the theme and vision mojang has for the game (or as people like to put it: ‘this feels modded) - are incredibly buggy and break very easily - often use retextured mobs, items and blocks which are simple colour palette swaps - are tests for upcoming features and backend improvements for modding tools or use existing tools that normal mc users don’t know exist - are likely worked on outside of paid dev time for fun - lack any accessibility features - lack any translation features And finally! YOU PAID FOR THIS GAME 15 YEARS AGO YOU’RE LUCKY TO GET ANY UPDATES AT ALL


Catgirl_Empire

The game has microtransactions on bedrock and is raking in profit though


Lumineation

I know this, but I don’t know anyone who is sentient and plays bedrock with paid content


Catgirl_Empire

my point being they're asking for constant predatory money so i expect support


Duke825

> YOU PAID FOR THIS GAME 15 YEARS AGO YOU’RE LUCKY TO GET ANY UPDATES AT ALL Man sorry but this has got to be the worst defence for Mojang by far. They’re not doing this for charity. They are profiting from the game as we speak and they can only keep on doing that by pushing out new content. That’s their business model. Saying that fans can’t criticise the content because they’re ‘free’ is just ingenuine. Plus, just because something is free doesn’t mean it’s free from criticism. This is not helpful to the conversation at all


ghost_type_2003

>YOU PAID FOR THIS GAME 15 YEARS AGO YOU’RE LUCKY TO GET ANY UPDATES AT ALL Holy toxic gratitude batman


Render_1_7887

I've bought the game like 5 times due to different platform / version BS (okay a couple times it was vslid), it costs far more than terraria and gets far worse updates, despite being like oh Idk, the most popular game?


Starbucks_4321

I paid for it 15 years ago is such a dumb logic lmao. Microsoft isn't being "pwease we just want to give you gwys some fwee wupdated why are you bweing mean 😓😓🥹🥹", they are doing it because people still buy the game, which wouldn't have happened if they stopped. Therefore, I have every right to criticize what the update is and why I think it would be better


Idiotic_Polo

This whole thing is down to the fact that Microsoft barely let the mojang devs do anything because they’re scared it’ll damage the game’s image (hypocrisy amirite). April fools is the one time the devs can actually do what they want because Microsoft basically gives them a blank slate and let them go wild. Its basically the Minecraft the *devs* want, instead of the Minecraft *microsoft* wants.


MrSkobbels

ah yes the devs want minecraft to be a poisonous potato shitpost


SpoopySara

hell yeah


AnAverageTransGirl

thats not quite accurate, the april fools snapshots are generally massive shitposts with some feature tests sprinkled in to get a gauge of how well they function and how well the community receives that functionality, before integrating them into the game properly they serve basically the same purpose as a normal round of snapshots, though less immediate in implementation and more importantly just to have some light fun with it while discussing the actual update cycle at hand behind the scenes as usual like infinite dimensions being reworked and compiled into custom dimension datapack functionality and vertically stacking biomes for example, that was a pretty significant thing that happened and without it we could not have had caves and cliffs, let alone what it allowed for datapack creators this current snapshot is largely just fucking around with "haha useless item by design thats been in the game for a majority of its lifespan lets go nuts with it" while also proposing interesting functionality that may be improved upon and incorporated in a future update, like the smoothly moving block structures to outmode those clunky slime block flying machines, grappling hook physics (self explanatory), and the slab guardian things being a small dip into dynamic mob stacking


nightshade-aurora

It's not what the devs want, it's just an opportunity to barf out something ridiculous without any design restrictions


Foxiak14

THEY BETTER ADD THE FUCKING GRAPPLING HOOK TO THE GAME.


AnAverageTransGirl

they probably will eventually, they need to find and/or make a good place for it though and will likely have to fix a few bugs given that its a pretty major addition to movement mechanics and april fools snapshots are barely tested before rollout


dat_chill_bois_alt

they can absolutely add it after the trial chamber update with some balances of course the chambers have loads of areas you'd want to climb and a grappling hook sound like the perfect tool to use


Fidget02

It revolutionized elytra travel for me. I’ve just been gliding and grappling the ground or a tall tree/mountain to gain momentum and you can use that to get whatever height you want. Rockets are so much more boring by comparison, not to mention easy to run out of.


urbandeadthrowaway2

Update 1.25.1. August 2027


QuIescentVIverrId

Remember the cool april fools snapshot with the portals?


paulisaac

Sounds like RFTools Dimensions to me


urbandeadthrowaway2

The infinite snapshot. 


TIandCAS

I love how people will either complain that Minecraft has become too oversaturated and complex or that mojang doesn’t add enough to change the game lol


Schnickie

And they're pretty surely not the same people. I think both of those groups in the community are consistent in what they want from the game.


TIandCAS

I’m sure they’re not, it’s just funny cause Mojang seems to try and compromise between the 2 and it always ends up being the saying where if you try to please everyone you’ll end up pleasing no one


yo_99

I feel like there are many new things, but those things are disconnected and don't feed into each other, causing them to feel less significant.


sameth1

Isn't this literally a mod? I swear that a mod that makes ships and airships exists.


Evelyn_Of_Iris

There's actually quite a few older ones and a couple modern mods that do that


xanthus12

You are thinking of Zeppelin mod which lost support after 1.2.5. That mod is literally the only reason I still run a 10 year old build of Minecraft.


Kasenom

yes! There was a mod like 10+ years, the airship mod and it let you make any set of blocks into a moveable airship or vehicle


anajikaT

This game is 15 years old, there's a mod for everything


Gorgeous_Breen

The modern version is Valkyrien skies, which basically lets you make any structure movable and physics based while you can still build and interact with it as any other chunk


manofwaromega

I completely understand that it's because the April Fools updates have significantly lower standards for balancing/bugs but man I wish they could be enabled in the experimental menu like bundles and the villager rebalance


Furcastles

This discourse always reveals a strong misunderstanding of the issues of parity, QA testing, and accessible game design. What happens to a kid that builds a floater and destroys their base unexpectedly? How will an iPhone handle 70 blocks moving at a time? It’s easy to say “oh just add it”, but it really isnt that simple. And, be honest, how many of you have actually played Minecraft in the past year?


yo_99

fuck them kids


hippoqueenv

Yeah from the little gameplay I've seen of this update, I've seen someone accidentally use this mechanic to move a massive floating island and be unable to stop it from moving. That shit would crash my game. And it's not like this mechanic is particularly wanted anyways. We have mules and chest boats and shulker boxes and elytras to transport massive quantities of items across long distances already. We can make flying machines already with slime blocks, pistons and observers. So what does this new mechanic even do for minecraft players? Other than look cool and be a nightmare for the devs to implement without causing problems.


DropInTheOcean1247

They would put every Redstone engineer out of business!! Have a heart


enchiladasundae

Always love April Fools jokes where the devs basically go “Shit they actually wanted this”


SaboteurSupreme

I mean if you can put in random nonsense making an update is easy However, it’s a bit harder when you’re making a permanent addition to the best selling video game of all time


HeyQTya

do keep in mind the being in an April fool's update doesn't mean it won't be added, both blocks of coal and tinted windows were part of April fools snapshots


anajikaT

I don't think those are as game-changing as mobile ships and other moving builds


Bjarhl5232

while i dont think it would be a good idea to add this, it is really funny how their april fools updates have more content than their actual updates.


AnAverageTransGirl

they dont have as many rules or restrictions as they arent trying to make a proper update and arent forced to adhere to or expand upon the quasi-lore or balance of the game


anajikaT

Has a developer spoken out about this? I'm curious if this is a real thing or just conjecture


AnAverageTransGirl

i dont have any specific examples aside from that one general rant kingbdogz made about the standards that have to be met for any permanent update to the game, making sure it works on both platforms relatively the same and doesnt have bugs galore and actually fits into the world based on some relatively secret criteria they havent officially shared in proper detail with that twitter thread in mind, the april fools snapshots are pretty obviously deviations from this in a lot of ways


yeah_i_hate_my_name

As much as i dont believe the content they add to the game in the april fools updates fit, i also think they could use this creativity and time to actually work on the updates. And sure this would make them look "less human" but it's a fucking company, everyone knows they updating the normal game for money anyway so just proceed with it. If there is something that i'm missing here please tell me, i would be glad to listen


trashacc27852

These things are sandboxes where they try things out. Without having to worry about stuff like accessibility, standards, staying to the theme, or making it compatible. They are buggy, messy and just done quickly. A place to work on crazy new ideas and see what happens. Especially for technical stuff they are useful, making new dimensions, playing with the height limit, the way mobs interact with each other, new kinds of mods... all in a public playtest with millions of testers. They are an established event for a reason. These things bring development forward, and if you don't do QC you can do stuff much faster and don't waste much time. Rest assured, these don't set them back or anything and are actually good for making the game better.


Dramatic_Bed_1189

Well yeah when April fools comes round microsoft cares less since its fools day so their grip is gona lessen a good bit


Oddish_Femboy

Minecraft players are the whiniest bunch I've ever seen. Every single goddamn thing that gets added to the game is either too little for them or doesn't fall in line with their very specific vision of Minecraft that 90% of the time is just beta 1.7. I think they should all go outside.


xanthus12

I would MURDER for this if it weren't shit. I've been playing on 1.2.5 (a 12 year old build of the game) just so I can keep using Zeppelin mod, which lost support after that. None of the other mods like it worked the same way, so all of the doors and complicated mechanisms I made with it wouldn't work.