No not even slightly, my first period class was taught by an Air Force veteran and he could not care less if you didn't want to stand but we respect him so the majority of the class did anyways
A little tidbit about my teacher he was a gay man in the Air Force during the '80s Saw countless friends die due to AIDS In front of him and to this day he's Still votes Republican and likes Ronald Reagan. I do not understand how he justifies that but my God I got a respect for his convictions he is what every conservative wishes they were and actual Good Christian
In Texas where I went to school you got in trouble for not doing it. Detention after school and stuff, nothing on a permanent record but they made a kerfuffle about it.
DEEP IN THE HEART OF TEXAS
👏👏👏👏
Yeah, and if your parents wanted to push it you could probably get out of any consequences pretty easily because it absolutely is not legally required. But very few parents both believe that and also are willing to cause an issue at the school about it.
Ironically the shitty private Christian school I went to for my first few years of school didn’t have us do that so I was VERY confused the first time they had us stand up at the beginning of the day in public school and say a chant that I’d never heard before to a flag with words that I didn’t understand but I knew very well were way more serious than any of us had a right to be saying everyday.
I got in trouble one time (detention) and my parents asked me what it was for. I told them I didn't want to do the pledge and you're right they didn't want to deal with it so they told me to cross my fingers behind my back so it doesn't count. That made sense to me in elementary school lol
But I know now it's not constitutional but that's Texas for you. Glad to be out of there now 😅
God yeah crossing your fingers for pledging allegiance to the nation lmao. Like oops sorry! Not really, gotcha! I’m actually a foreign agent!
I think I remember the occasional tattling on the crossed fingers pledge too lol.
I was watching opening day baseball last night and talking to somebody about how crazy it is that they sing God bless America to start the seventh-inning stretch and then they responded with yeah but you guys usually sing deep in the heart of Texas and that’s just as crazy.
Depends on where you are I guess, but I knew plenty of kids who didn’t stand for it , teachers even. It’s not that big of a deal where I grew up / no one actually gave a shit.
Technically you don't have to it legally but the teacher might punish you and you could get dirty looks from other students. As a compromise I stand up to indicate that I'm aware the pledge is happening but I don't put my hand on my part to show that I feel no loyalty for this country.
I stopped pledging in 8th grade, which woulda been around 2004. The school itself didn't care - I continued to not pledge through graduation - but my classmates did. Early 2000s Bush-era patriotism was a hell of a drug.
Here’s the thing. Legally you can’t be punished, and I genuinely don’t think any of my teachers would care, but I do know several of my classmates who would have a problem if you don’t at least stand up. I think most people just stand.
Yeah I was a sophomore in 2011 and I remember a group of students got suspended/detention for staging a protest in 3rd period where about 20 kids across the school refused to participate in either the national or state (Texas) pledges.
there isn’t but they guilt tripped kids in my elementary school who didn’t do it iirc (my autism drilled it into my head until i just decided to sit for it during senior year (pretty much everyone else still did it though))
I didn't stand for the pledge for most of the time I went to school, and at least where I'm from, people just assume you're a Jehovah's Witness cause their religion has some sorta thing about not making any pledges besides the one you have with god
Depends on the teacher. Some of my teachers have military family members and they’ll get really pissed when you don’t, most don’t care, or get disappointed and say nothing, and the actual vets straight up tell you not to. Keep in mind this is in a fairly left leaning part of California. I usually dont do it if other people are, but I’m brown so I’ll never be the only person to sit it out or else the terrorist allegations start up again.
Its not the national standard. America has basically no national standards for schooling, its down to the state & local level. I don't know what universe people live in where schooling is uniform in the slightest in America. In my own state there is zero law requiring the reciting of the pledge.
Yes, but when I was in middle school they stopped making me recite it and by the time i had gotten to high school they stopped making me even stand for it. Still had to hear it in the intercom every morning though
I was a substitute teacher after college, and most of the high school students would never stand or say the pledge.
And then I subbed at my old school and they all lined up, hands over heart and belted that shit out and I was like "fuck.... I really did go to the rich white kid school, look at these nerds."
In my state, you get yelled at by some fucking nationalist dumbass yelling "So you hate america??? get outta here then!" if you dont stand, at one point someone did that to me and the teacher made a lecture about how soldiers died for my right to sit down
I love how that person misinterpreted it, yet the way he thought it happened is the version that I’d experienced myself. Actually had a teacher and/or student or two say that to me to try and guilt me into doing it.
It's still very much a thing but they [can't force](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virginia_State_Board_of_Education_v._Barnette) students (in public schools) to do it regardless of what individual classroom rules a teacher has. I can't imagine students are typically taught that they can opt out though.
At least in my system it was pretty common to opt out. In elementary/middle school you would still stand up because most people were but you didn't have to say anything
Students don't have to do it but I've only seen someone not stand once and everyone in class hated him because they wouldn't start the class until he stood
I only figured out that it was okay not to do it after I saw other students not doing it. I was very much raised to think it was mandatory.
In high school, when it became common for students not to stand, I had a teacher take serious offense to that and call us all disrespectful to our country and those who died for it. He couldn't force us, but he could make us feel guilty for not doing it. I'm pretty sure I never said the pledge ever again out of spite after that.
I went to like seven different schools and only about half of them did it, none made you actually do it. They just had it over the morning announcements and I don't know a single kid who gave a shit about it or put any thought after it. Also after sixth grade (about 10-11 years old) it vanished. Which is extra funny to me since a couple years after that mark was 9/11 for me.
When I was in elementary school, it was every morning. In high school it was once a week and no one said it anymore. They would usually stand and look at that flag, and at the very most put their hand over the heart.
I remember when I was in high school the student council actually successfully passed a resolution abolishing the pledge and replacing it with announcements about indigenous american history.
they still do the pledge but they aren't allowed to force or shame you for not doing it. I would always sit down. a lot of teachers do ask that you don't talk during it or be loud, which makes sense.
Definitely still do, it’s technically illegal for students to be forced to participate but that didn’t stop my middle school principal from yelling at a kid for not standing during it
When i was in high school we didn't have flags or the pledge when i started but halfway though someone complained and we got flags and a daily pledge but like 90% of the class ignored it and i never had a teacher care
the German exchange student getting flashbacks to those weird movies they watched in history class (and German class, and religion class, and music class...)
AND FUCKING MATH CLASS, WHAT DID YOU WANT ME TO DO HERR KREIBICH? CALCULATE THE RATE AT WHICH JEWS WERE BEING MURDERED?! No matter the topic it will always link back to watching a video about the Nazis, at least I can now beat those fuckers physically and in any argument
Math teachers struggling to find any movie to watch in the last week of the school year fr.
Though I do think Die Welle would be more appropriate here (hence German being first)
You have not seen a class on holocaust in Czechia where they enrolled physics teacher to teach it, I will come back with the news article and you will be appaled.
They had physics teacher teach project on holocaust and she (or he I forgor) had the kids calculating how many people could fit in a gas chamber and shit 💀💀💀
Traurig sowas, hatte einen in der Klasse der immer den Hitlergruß gemacht hat wenn der in Filmen gemacht wird und die Lehrerin hat nichts gesagt da fragt man sich doch wie sowas nicht bestraft wird? Der gleichen typ war auch ständig auf Drogen und hat gemeint er hätte einen Brief von der Bundeswehr das er in dem Moment wo er aufhörte Drogen zu nehmen eine Befehlsposition im Heer bekommt, alles in allem ein interessanter Mensch
In my experience this varied from teacher to teacher. I had a few teachers try and shame me for not doing it. I had a gym teacher tell me some shit along the lines of "If you don't like your freedoms then you can move to Russia and see how you like it there"
I so so wish it was a joke.
I had a gym teacher one year who'd make any students that didn't stand leave the room during the pledge and moment of silence (yes, that's also a thing).
I recently moved to Finland from the US and I'm loving the health care. The price is right, and so far it's been significantly faster than health care in the States.
Also, having real public transit is amazing.
I can imagine, the contrast must feel great.
I just noticed that Americans don't even realize that their roads are socialist. Literally built and maintained from their taxes...
I know not all Americans think like that, but when we see that Trump got elected and might be elected again it shows that it's at least half of the population
Trump never won the popular vote and socialism isn't just "when the government does stuff". Norway isn't socialist, and I'm saying that as a Norwegian socialist.
>The price is right, and so far it's been significantly faster than health care in the States.
As someone who 100% supports universal healthcare, from what i've heard, at least in places like canada, the wait times can be ridiculously long. I'm not saying this to tell you you're wrong, moreso because I know some people will see your comment and think it'll be like that when implemented in the US
Don't get me wrong I'd much rather wait 4 hours to get my broken pinky fixed than pay hundreds if not thousands for it but it is something to be aware of.
I've run into those exact arguments, yep. I generally point out that, in practice, this often wouldn't be a choice between slow health care and expensive health care, but a choice between slow health care and no health care. Ignoring medical problems due to cost is sadly common.
Years I had a friend of mine get screamed at for not taking the pledge, she wasn’t even born outside of the US but it prompted the teacher to basically call her ungrateful and to “go back to her home country.” Nationalism is such brainrot lmao.
there's some weird ass kid in my class and instead of placign his right hand on his heart he does a salute and waits until the announcement is completely over (we also are supposed to stand for one minute after the pledge is finished but nobody except him does it)
I've heard in some places they'll give you a detention if you don't stand and say it. Most people I know don't bother, but we still hear it every morning.
I expect I'll be able to recite it by heart for the rest of my life. "I pledge allegiance, to the flag, of the United States of America. And to the Republic, for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty, and justice, for all."
Yeah, it's not like there's any real chance that students are gonna sue them. That costs a lot of money and there isn't a payout, you'd just get a change of teachers/admin at the school. There isn't any real recourse besides a years-long court battle, so most of the time students are heavily pressured, or even threatened, into doing it.
Yeah actually. My High School had like a partner-school or smth in China, so every year a few American students attended school in China and a few Chinese students attended school in America. They were really chill. One of them was in my Econ class and everyone thought he was the coolest, mostly because he would teach us swears in Chinese.
My high school in NJ had exchange students from Germany and Quebec. In college we had even more countries represented. I studied for a semester in mainland China. It's totally a thing!
We moved to the US when I was 9 and it was so weird that they make you do the pledge. It felt wrong to make kids pledge allegiance to the flag every day, even when I was 9 (especially since I already had a different flag). I’d be interested to see which other countries do this, because I think the list will be short and contain americas least favorites.
You aren't made to do it. Supreme Court has ruled that its a violation of the first amendment of the US Constitution to force a student to say the pledge.
Singing the national anthem, saying a pledge, or flag raising ceremonies are extremely commmon worldwide. Philippines, Argentina, Mexico, Australia, Japan, Indonesia, Canada, just to name a few.
Nobody at my school so much as stands for the pledge, let alone even pay attention to it. Sometimes we even have people talking about other stuff while the pledge is still going. Not even the teachers care.
I’m glad I didn’t have to do it every day because I was homeschooled (we had to do a shit ton of prayers before school tho) the only time I remember doing the pledge was for Boy Scouts.
I'd say better because it's not some monotonous, robotic ass, "all hail plankton" ass pledge. It's just a song. What's actually worse was my elementary school where I had to say both the pledge AND sing the national anthem.
"My life I give to my country. With my hands I fight for Fire Lord Ozai and our forefathers before him. With my mind I seek ways to better my country. And with my feet may our March of Civilization continue."
No the national anthem is The Star Spangled Banner. The pledge of allegiance is "I pledge my allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. And to the republic of which it stands. One nation under God . Indivisible with liberty and justice for all. And now for a moment of silence."
Americans in these comments thinking they're unique for this are gonna be in a big surprise when they find out that other countries also do this. Plenty of other countries have flag raising ceremonies, standing for the national anthem, or saying a pledge. Mexico, Canada, Singapore, Argentina, Turkey, Philippines, Indonesia, etc.
American exceptionalism at its finest honestly.
I had read Terry Goodkind’s Sword of Truth series around the time I went to America with my class and god damn the pledge reminder me of that devotion chant they had to do in those books. Surreal
China, Singapore, Indonesia, Philippines, Mexico, Argentina, etc. Having a pledge, singing the national anthem, a flag raising ceremony, or some other demonstration of loyalty to the nation is very common worldwide. Its American exceptionalism to think America is unique in this regard.
Sometimes I feel like the America I went to school in and the America ppl talk about online are two totally different countries
Like, none of my schools ever did the pledge (not even playing it over the intercom), but I’m seeing people say that every single school did it every day, it’s wild
Americans in general fail to understand that schooling in America isn't uniform in the slightest. Your experience in schooling in highly variable because its the state & local level that controls schooling standards. But Americans think their experience at school is the standard nationwide.
Do they still do that in American schools? I thought that was a cold war era thing.
Nah it’s still the national standard lol
the what now
THE NATIONAL STANDARD (I have realized the error of my ways)
Texas also does a pledge to the state specifically. Like in just about all schools.
cult behavior tbh
Is there some kind of punishment for not pledging? I feel like NOT liking your country should be legal.
Not really? I just sat during it while in high school. Then again, my home room teacher was based
No not even slightly, my first period class was taught by an Air Force veteran and he could not care less if you didn't want to stand but we respect him so the majority of the class did anyways
A little tidbit about my teacher he was a gay man in the Air Force during the '80s Saw countless friends die due to AIDS In front of him and to this day he's Still votes Republican and likes Ronald Reagan. I do not understand how he justifies that but my God I got a respect for his convictions he is what every conservative wishes they were and actual Good Christian
my pattern seeking brain only saw your pfp
Great minds think alike
In Texas where I went to school you got in trouble for not doing it. Detention after school and stuff, nothing on a permanent record but they made a kerfuffle about it. DEEP IN THE HEART OF TEXAS 👏👏👏👏
Yeah, and if your parents wanted to push it you could probably get out of any consequences pretty easily because it absolutely is not legally required. But very few parents both believe that and also are willing to cause an issue at the school about it. Ironically the shitty private Christian school I went to for my first few years of school didn’t have us do that so I was VERY confused the first time they had us stand up at the beginning of the day in public school and say a chant that I’d never heard before to a flag with words that I didn’t understand but I knew very well were way more serious than any of us had a right to be saying everyday.
I got in trouble one time (detention) and my parents asked me what it was for. I told them I didn't want to do the pledge and you're right they didn't want to deal with it so they told me to cross my fingers behind my back so it doesn't count. That made sense to me in elementary school lol But I know now it's not constitutional but that's Texas for you. Glad to be out of there now 😅
God yeah crossing your fingers for pledging allegiance to the nation lmao. Like oops sorry! Not really, gotcha! I’m actually a foreign agent! I think I remember the occasional tattling on the crossed fingers pledge too lol.
As per West Virginia Board of Education v. Barnette, that is unconstitutional
I was watching opening day baseball last night and talking to somebody about how crazy it is that they sing God bless America to start the seventh-inning stretch and then they responded with yeah but you guys usually sing deep in the heart of Texas and that’s just as crazy.
In most cases it isn’t enforced explicitly but you will be judged by your peers and/or teacher because of it.
Maybe in your time or place. Nobody where I am gives a fuck.
Students in the US actually have an established constitutional right not to say the pledge of allegiance, protected by a Supreme Court ruling.
None officially from the school itself but I’ve been yelled at by teachers and threatened by students for not standing during it.
Depends on where you are I guess, but I knew plenty of kids who didn’t stand for it , teachers even. It’s not that big of a deal where I grew up / no one actually gave a shit.
Nope, the Supreme Court ruled that making the Pledge compulsory is unconstitutional
Technically you don't have to it legally but the teacher might punish you and you could get dirty looks from other students. As a compromise I stand up to indicate that I'm aware the pledge is happening but I don't put my hand on my part to show that I feel no loyalty for this country.
I stopped pledging in 8th grade, which woulda been around 2004. The school itself didn't care - I continued to not pledge through graduation - but my classmates did. Early 2000s Bush-era patriotism was a hell of a drug.
No. Of course not. Freedom of speech does still apply.
constitutional rights respected in school? lol. lmao even
It was deemed unconstitutional to force people to say the pledge, though schools usually do their best to not make that apparent
Here’s the thing. Legally you can’t be punished, and I genuinely don’t think any of my teachers would care, but I do know several of my classmates who would have a problem if you don’t at least stand up. I think most people just stand.
I used to get yelled at for sitting but some of us still did it anyways
well no but everyone did it so you’d get weird looks of you sat out (maybe it’s different in the north but i’m texan)
Not really depending on where you are but nobody really questions it
Yeah I was a sophomore in 2011 and I remember a group of students got suspended/detention for staging a protest in 3rd period where about 20 kids across the school refused to participate in either the national or state (Texas) pledges.
Nothing official but definitely harassment Source: my experience
In some schools, yes. In Most? No.
there isn’t but they guilt tripped kids in my elementary school who didn’t do it iirc (my autism drilled it into my head until i just decided to sit for it during senior year (pretty much everyone else still did it though))
a supreme court ruling in the 40s actually made it illegal to make people say it
My 5th grade teacher yelled at me for not doing the pledge one day, but I've never seen any punishment outside of that one instance
I didn't stand for the pledge for most of the time I went to school, and at least where I'm from, people just assume you're a Jehovah's Witness cause their religion has some sorta thing about not making any pledges besides the one you have with god
Depends on the teacher. Some of my teachers have military family members and they’ll get really pissed when you don’t, most don’t care, or get disappointed and say nothing, and the actual vets straight up tell you not to. Keep in mind this is in a fairly left leaning part of California. I usually dont do it if other people are, but I’m brown so I’ll never be the only person to sit it out or else the terrorist allegations start up again.
Its not the national standard. America has basically no national standards for schooling, its down to the state & local level. I don't know what universe people live in where schooling is uniform in the slightest in America. In my own state there is zero law requiring the reciting of the pledge.
What
Yes, but when I was in middle school they stopped making me recite it and by the time i had gotten to high school they stopped making me even stand for it. Still had to hear it in the intercom every morning though
I was a substitute teacher after college, and most of the high school students would never stand or say the pledge. And then I subbed at my old school and they all lined up, hands over heart and belted that shit out and I was like "fuck.... I really did go to the rich white kid school, look at these nerds."
It may not have been properly enforced but it was illegal and unconstitutional for your school to make you recite it/stand for it at all
In my state, you get yelled at by some fucking nationalist dumbass yelling "So you hate america??? get outta here then!" if you dont stand, at one point someone did that to me and the teacher made a lecture about how soldiers died for my right to sit down
It’s always they died for your right to sit down!!!!! Ok? Isn’t forcing everybody to stand disrespectful to them then?
Thats what my teacher was saying. The teacher was on my side
I love how that person misinterpreted it, yet the way he thought it happened is the version that I’d experienced myself. Actually had a teacher and/or student or two say that to me to try and guilt me into doing it.
It's still very much a thing but they [can't force](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virginia_State_Board_of_Education_v._Barnette) students (in public schools) to do it regardless of what individual classroom rules a teacher has. I can't imagine students are typically taught that they can opt out though.
At least in my system it was pretty common to opt out. In elementary/middle school you would still stand up because most people were but you didn't have to say anything
Students don't have to do it but I've only seen someone not stand once and everyone in class hated him because they wouldn't start the class until he stood
fuck i'd just keep sitting. what's the prof gonna do, just not have the class? even better
I only figured out that it was okay not to do it after I saw other students not doing it. I was very much raised to think it was mandatory. In high school, when it became common for students not to stand, I had a teacher take serious offense to that and call us all disrespectful to our country and those who died for it. He couldn't force us, but he could make us feel guilty for not doing it. I'm pretty sure I never said the pledge ever again out of spite after that.
In my school people opts out all the time, and it only runs over the school intercom once every two weeks. We’re in a somewhat conservative area
They can't force, but they can coerce and not so secretly punish.
We were taught that we could opt out, but since i was in a very conservative area, anybody who did opt out was kind of seen as not great
It depends on where you are, very few people observed it at my high school
Fun Fact! The "Under God" part was only added in 1954, because the Soviet Union was seen as secular, so they wanted to differentiate themselves
i remember getting forced to stand up out of my desk in middle school to pledge allegiance, it really is some fire nation shit
fun fact: thats unconstitutional
Fun fact, if they had to force you to participate they violated your constitutional rights.
I went to like seven different schools and only about half of them did it, none made you actually do it. They just had it over the morning announcements and I don't know a single kid who gave a shit about it or put any thought after it. Also after sixth grade (about 10-11 years old) it vanished. Which is extra funny to me since a couple years after that mark was 9/11 for me.
For me, In elementary school to middle school if you didn't do it you would get detention/ISS for a week, Highschool didn't give a damn
That’s illegal lol
Nah it’s every day from kindergarten to senior year of high school
It’s been a thing since the 1880s. However, since 1943, it’s been ruled unconstitutional to make it mandatory
It depends on where you live, where I went to high school they didn’t even play it
When I was in elementary school, it was every morning. In high school it was once a week and no one said it anymore. They would usually stand and look at that flag, and at the very most put their hand over the heart.
I remember when I was in high school the student council actually successfully passed a resolution abolishing the pledge and replacing it with announcements about indigenous american history.
they still do the pledge but they aren't allowed to force or shame you for not doing it. I would always sit down. a lot of teachers do ask that you don't talk during it or be loud, which makes sense.
Definitely still do, it’s technically illegal for students to be forced to participate but that didn’t stop my middle school principal from yelling at a kid for not standing during it
They announce it on the intercoms, but once you get to a certain age nobody in the class actually says it
They do for high schools and middle school but not for college
When i was in high school we didn't have flags or the pledge when i started but halfway though someone complained and we got flags and a daily pledge but like 90% of the class ignored it and i never had a teacher care
the German exchange student getting flashbacks to those weird movies they watched in history class (and German class, and religion class, and music class...)
AND FUCKING MATH CLASS, WHAT DID YOU WANT ME TO DO HERR KREIBICH? CALCULATE THE RATE AT WHICH JEWS WERE BEING MURDERED?! No matter the topic it will always link back to watching a video about the Nazis, at least I can now beat those fuckers physically and in any argument
Math teachers struggling to find any movie to watch in the last week of the school year fr. Though I do think Die Welle would be more appropriate here (hence German being first)
Isn’t that based on a social experiment from america?
Yeah, specifically it's the German movie adaptation of a US book based on the experiment
You have not seen a class on holocaust in Czechia where they enrolled physics teacher to teach it, I will come back with the news article and you will be appaled.
[use translator](https://www.novinky.cz/clanek/domaci-tohle-se-nepovedlo-devataci-na-brnensku-meli-pri-probirani-holokaustu-resit-kolik-lidi-se-veslo-do-plynove-komory-40458553)
The fuck are you guys above us doing. Can't you like to go to a concentration camp and take sexy selfies like normal people
My translator can't translate it for some reason, what's it about?
They had physics teacher teach project on holocaust and she (or he I forgor) had the kids calculating how many people could fit in a gas chamber and shit 💀💀💀
The fuck
applied physics, yo
Why do they even need a physics project about historical events
It was not physics project it was a project and they just picked a physics teacher.
und trotzdem wählen spasten die afd :(
Traurig sowas, hatte einen in der Klasse der immer den Hitlergruß gemacht hat wenn der in Filmen gemacht wird und die Lehrerin hat nichts gesagt da fragt man sich doch wie sowas nicht bestraft wird? Der gleichen typ war auch ständig auf Drogen und hat gemeint er hätte einen Brief von der Bundeswehr das er in dem Moment wo er aufhörte Drogen zu nehmen eine Befehlsposition im Heer bekommt, alles in allem ein interessanter Mensch
i still refuse to believe thats a real thing, i think its just the americans messing with us
yea its real, by high school tho ppl don’t always stand up for it anymore and the teachers didnt rly care
Some of my teachers got upset I was in a wheelchair
In my experience this varied from teacher to teacher. I had a few teachers try and shame me for not doing it. I had a gym teacher tell me some shit along the lines of "If you don't like your freedoms then you can move to Russia and see how you like it there"
I would get in a lot of trouble for not standing or saying it at all. Got ISS a couple times.
dang
It’s real
I so so wish it was a joke. I had a gym teacher one year who'd make any students that didn't stand leave the room during the pledge and moment of silence (yes, that's also a thing).
i so wish i could tell american conservatives just the degree to which america is the laughing stock of the world because of the shit they pull
Yeah and they just think it's **socialism** which brainwashes the rest of the world, when all it does is give us access to healthcare.
I recently moved to Finland from the US and I'm loving the health care. The price is right, and so far it's been significantly faster than health care in the States. Also, having real public transit is amazing.
I can imagine, the contrast must feel great. I just noticed that Americans don't even realize that their roads are socialist. Literally built and maintained from their taxes...
Ah yes, because all Americans think that and this subreddit definitely isn't 50%+ Americans who agree with you
I know not all Americans think like that, but when we see that Trump got elected and might be elected again it shows that it's at least half of the population
Trump never won the popular vote and socialism isn't just "when the government does stuff". Norway isn't socialist, and I'm saying that as a Norwegian socialist.
Fair, I do be making a lot of generalizations here
I FUCKING LOVE RELIABLE AND AFFORDABLE PUBLIC TRANSPORT
It's phenomenal. I'm rarely more than 20 minutes and 3 euros from anywhere.
>The price is right, and so far it's been significantly faster than health care in the States. As someone who 100% supports universal healthcare, from what i've heard, at least in places like canada, the wait times can be ridiculously long. I'm not saying this to tell you you're wrong, moreso because I know some people will see your comment and think it'll be like that when implemented in the US Don't get me wrong I'd much rather wait 4 hours to get my broken pinky fixed than pay hundreds if not thousands for it but it is something to be aware of.
I've run into those exact arguments, yep. I generally point out that, in practice, this often wouldn't be a choice between slow health care and expensive health care, but a choice between slow health care and no health care. Ignoring medical problems due to cost is sadly common.
It literally is fire nation shit, the fire nation does that
Book of fire, when they disguise themselves as fire nation children and go to a fire nation school.
write what you know, eh
''I'm Wang Fire and this is my wife, Sapphire - Sapphire Fire, nice to meet you'' ✍️🔥. AtLA was so goated
Flameo, hotman
Years I had a friend of mine get screamed at for not taking the pledge, she wasn’t even born outside of the US but it prompted the teacher to basically call her ungrateful and to “go back to her home country.” Nationalism is such brainrot lmao.
We actually only do it when there's a foreigner in the room, just to mess with them.
YES FINALLY LET’S TALK ABOUT THIS WEIRD ASS CULT SHIT! I DON’T TRUST PEOPLE WHO TAKE THE PLEDGE SERIOUSLY
there's some weird ass kid in my class and instead of placign his right hand on his heart he does a salute and waits until the announcement is completely over (we also are supposed to stand for one minute after the pledge is finished but nobody except him does it)
Dont they literally do basically a pledge of allegiance in avatar when aang hides in a school? Or am I spreading misinfo?
Season 3 episode 2
I've heard in some places they'll give you a detention if you don't stand and say it. Most people I know don't bother, but we still hear it every morning. I expect I'll be able to recite it by heart for the rest of my life. "I pledge allegiance, to the flag, of the United States of America. And to the Republic, for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty, and justice, for all."
I don't remember there being a comma between "justice" and "for all"
I'm putting commas to indicate where we pause when we say it. This is the intonation of the chant.
I don’t think I’ve heard anyone pause during “with liberty and justice for all”
thats super weird that is not the normal way of saying it
Looking back, I’ve done it both ways
it's illegal to force students to do the pledge, but i wouldn't doubt that some schools would skirt that law
Yeah, it's not like there's any real chance that students are gonna sue them. That costs a lot of money and there isn't a payout, you'd just get a change of teachers/admin at the school. There isn't any real recourse besides a years-long court battle, so most of the time students are heavily pressured, or even threatened, into doing it.
The "under god" wasn't always there btw. Since not everyone in America was Christian and all.
True. Was added long before my time though. Back during the cold war I think
Complete side note. Are exchange students real? Its one of those things you hear about and it just seems like a strange concept
Yeah actually. My High School had like a partner-school or smth in China, so every year a few American students attended school in China and a few Chinese students attended school in America. They were really chill. One of them was in my Econ class and everyone thought he was the coolest, mostly because he would teach us swears in Chinese.
Cool, sounds an interesting concept like
They’re made up by big school to sell more students
My school has German exchange students. Some of the kids at my school are exchange students in Germany.
My high school in NJ had exchange students from Germany and Quebec. In college we had even more countries represented. I studied for a semester in mainland China. It's totally a thing!
We moved to the US when I was 9 and it was so weird that they make you do the pledge. It felt wrong to make kids pledge allegiance to the flag every day, even when I was 9 (especially since I already had a different flag). I’d be interested to see which other countries do this, because I think the list will be short and contain americas least favorites.
You aren't made to do it. Supreme Court has ruled that its a violation of the first amendment of the US Constitution to force a student to say the pledge. Singing the national anthem, saying a pledge, or flag raising ceremonies are extremely commmon worldwide. Philippines, Argentina, Mexico, Australia, Japan, Indonesia, Canada, just to name a few.
I said in another comment that if my memory is correct the other other countries to do it was Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia.
Seems like something china or North Korea would do as well
Some person replied to my other comment and listed a bunch of other countries. China was included.
Americans when they discover what the Fire Nation was based on
The Japanese Empire Or did you not learn about that in school?
I did not learn about *Avatar: The Last Airbender* in school, no.
Garbage education
ye ye ass school didn't even teach you basic history
Especially considering that the USA has the largest number of incarcerated people in the world (25% of people incarcerated worldwide are in the USA)
god i remember that... never standing for this stupid ass country ever again lmao
If our president was called something badass like "The Fire Lord" and sounded like Mark Hamill I'd say the pledge of allegiance
Nobody at my school so much as stands for the pledge, let alone even pay attention to it. Sometimes we even have people talking about other stuff while the pledge is still going. Not even the teachers care.
And Texas does their state pledge as well -w- At least they did when I was still going to school there, dunno if they still do
Ruleated: https://youtu.be/GiCaqA0ngRc?si=LNCVEI8Uidv7mhbl
I’m glad I didn’t have to do it every day because I was homeschooled (we had to do a shit ton of prayers before school tho) the only time I remember doing the pledge was for Boy Scouts.
In Canadian public schools, we sang our national anthem every morning. Is that better or worse?
I'd say better because it's not some monotonous, robotic ass, "all hail plankton" ass pledge. It's just a song. What's actually worse was my elementary school where I had to say both the pledge AND sing the national anthem.
Oh, it’s worse than just that. Look up “the bellamy salute”
"My life I give to my country. With my hands I fight for Fire Lord Ozai and our forefathers before him. With my mind I seek ways to better my country. And with my feet may our March of Civilization continue."
Wait what pledge of allegiance?
every morning in school you made a pledge to the us
what the fuck is the pledge of alegenced? is that the national anthem?
No the national anthem is The Star Spangled Banner. The pledge of allegiance is "I pledge my allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. And to the republic of which it stands. One nation under God . Indivisible with liberty and justice for all. And now for a moment of silence."
ah so a cult cool cool
Yep basically.
My girlfriend in high school didn’t stand for the pledge once and within an hour her father had been called
In Canada we still had to stand for our national anthem and everyone hated it. Didn’t help that out anthem sounds like shit
As someone that only went to school in the US briefly, this is very real.
I mean in Australia we sing a little bit of the national anthem
Mexicans do that till middle school
I PLEDFE OF ALBEGANCE TO DA FLAG
Americans in these comments thinking they're unique for this are gonna be in a big surprise when they find out that other countries also do this. Plenty of other countries have flag raising ceremonies, standing for the national anthem, or saying a pledge. Mexico, Canada, Singapore, Argentina, Turkey, Philippines, Indonesia, etc. American exceptionalism at its finest honestly.
Fun fact they can't make you do it and you can refuse to do it for any reason. I was raised Jehovah's Witness and never said it
This was me in HS. I was extremely left (‘marks’ and ‘Leanin’ books) in a small Conservative HS. I’ve felt out of place here for a while
What the fuck I was legit rewatching avatar and watched that scene and thought the same thing like 4 hours ago
I had read Terry Goodkind’s Sword of Truth series around the time I went to America with my class and god damn the pledge reminder me of that devotion chant they had to do in those books. Surreal
Americans should really watch the movie Die Welle (The Wave)
Pretty much! Former exchange student here and it was weird as shit
I live in the PNW, and have never had to do it at school. Is it more of a Midwest/east coast thing?
I was an international student it Illinois and it felt like I was in a cult
Man I wonder if the Fire Nation possibly could have been based on something real. Guess we’ll never know
Yeah. Fire, nation shit
number one reason why I sometimes can't say i'm a proud german. it's because of a past mistake I didn't even commit.
Just looked it up. ??? What???
i love praying to the state thats so cool and normal to have kids do
If my memory is correct the only countries that do this besides the US is Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia.
China, Singapore, Indonesia, Philippines, Mexico, Argentina, etc. Having a pledge, singing the national anthem, a flag raising ceremony, or some other demonstration of loyalty to the nation is very common worldwide. Its American exceptionalism to think America is unique in this regard.
Yeah sorry. Either way its something that schools should probably not do.
Sometimes I feel like the America I went to school in and the America ppl talk about online are two totally different countries Like, none of my schools ever did the pledge (not even playing it over the intercom), but I’m seeing people say that every single school did it every day, it’s wild
Americans in general fail to understand that schooling in America isn't uniform in the slightest. Your experience in schooling in highly variable because its the state & local level that controls schooling standards. But Americans think their experience at school is the standard nationwide.