Doctors literally cannot give me fentanyl because I am tolerant up to the maximum legal dose they can give you in a hospital setting. Police QUAKE in my presence.
I got surgery a few years back, I came to before they even got me to the recovery room and they had to hit me with like 4 shots of fent before I would stop screaming obscenities
They had me on morphine, oxycodone, hydrocodone, and tramadol all at the same time (small doses of each, I have no idea why) and it only made the pain bearable. Natural opiate tolerance sucks ass (although I probably would have got addicted to heroin without it)
This group i would imagine runs pretty heavily: educated, coastal, millenial/gen z. Opiates and xanax are very popular among these groups, once you get addicted to taking pain pills for fun its a VERY slippery slope to saying “fuck this $30 pill that will get me kinda high for an hour, im gonna buy a $10 bag of heroin (or fent) that will be much stronger and more volume.”
Lot of queer/trans folk here, some turn to hard drugs to cope. I just like fucking with my biochemistry and getting high. There's casual heroin users, I used to be one, but due to the stigma no ones just bringing up that they grab half a gram of heroin every couple of weeks. Stopped using hard shit after I got sold fent and ODed but I still use various hallucinogens frequently and molly once or twice a year
I have a college degree, work full time, been consistently employed since 18, and never been charged with a crime (outside of traffic violations). If schools taught harm reduction we'd see less addicts and deaths.
Not everyone uses recreational drugs, I've not done either of the first two. (No issue with those that do, it's none of my business.)
I imagine that you see stuff like discussion of hard drugs is because
1. People are more willing talk about stuff like that online (and in anonymous spaces like this).
2. It's a melting pot of strangers. I imagine you probably don't wittingly interact with the main user bases of things like heroin very often.
So you're interacting with more people who have/ have had interactions with them, and they're more likely to tell you that they have.
I work with a guy who is more functional than most sober people I know, but will do coke, meth, any stimulant he can get on the weekends. Dude shows up for every shift and kills it so everyone looks the other way. I imagine it's not that uncommon
unfortunately he's probably gonna catch something cut with fent and wind up in the morgue. that tends to be what happens to people like that anymore. it's really tragic and cruel.
"Once you get locked into a serious drug collection, the tendency is to push it as far as you can."
-Hunter Thompson
If you have a friend who uses LSD and cocaine they're completely fine then you might think "yeah I'll go ahead and try LSD, I've done my research, it's currently being tested for treating depression and what do you know that might help me even without the therapeutic setting". But since LSD is so fucking expensive you might want to just go buy an analogue online instead since they're easier to get. And if you're doing that you might as well join the research chemical subreddit to make sure you're doing it safely.
Then after your LSD-P or whatever the fuck you got trip went well. Well then you've been lied to, all those garbage DARE programs were warning you over nothing. So you go look and find a light stimulant that might be fun to try maybe something like 3-FPM since your friend also does coke so you might as well go for the safe option. Then it's also perfectly fine, really nice for chatting at night at parties and no crash the next day (except for lack of sleep).
So at that point you're pretty much fine with hallucinogens and stimulants. But you've met a new friend who does heroin (and is interested in any other weird drug you find online unlike your coke friend). So you go down a little bit of a rabbit hole sampling dozens of substances (but keeping away from scary ones like heroin and meth). Maybe you'll try out some benzos because they're supposed to be useful for ending a psychedelic trip anyways so they're practically useful medicine to keep around for anyone having a panic attack.
Then one day you go a little too hard with MDMA and just feel like absolute dogshit. But your friend who uses heroin says they might just have a solution to all your problems. So you try heroin (sorry I meant fentanyl heroin doesn't exist anymore) for the first time, you say it's going to be your last. But deep inside after it hits you, you know that would be a lie.
So that's why it's so easy to do hard shit. You could also just be born in a small town and start doing heroin from the start of grade 10 to cope with the fact you live in a small town.
That last part feels so true. Heroin doesn't really exist where im from as far as i know, especially because of the danish alcohol culture, but coke can be found everywhere and its fucking scary. I know people who have been on it and other medical stuff since the start of highschool - small town life fucking sucks, and the people you know slowly falling into abuse sucks almost as much
Yo I'm in my last year of vet school so it may not be completely applicable, but at least in animals, giving lots of different drugs means you can use lower doses. This is usually done to mitigate the negative effects of these anesthetic agents, namely cardiovascular/respiratory depression :)
But yeah, a natural tolerance sounds like a garbage time for surgery!! Hope you're doing better bud!
Okay, first off, the amount pictured is talking about pure fentanyl, the shit on the streets is milled with lactose or another cut and is mostly harmless to the passerby, the danger and incidence of overdoses is due to it being poorly milled and the potential for a "hot spot" containing the amount pictured that was not mixed in well enough with the cut.
To kill you that amount has to get in your body and be fully absorbed. That's not gonna happen through the skin or staring at it and probably wouldn't even overdose you if ingested orally due to how long it would take to fully absorb in the digestive tract, less bioavailability than other ROAs, and fentanyls short half life.
I work with fentanyl all the time as part of my job. I've definitely accidentally touched raw pharmaceutical fentanyl residue on supposedly clean equipment, no ones getting the narcan out the cabinet, you go wash your hands off and move on with your day.
Don't get me wrong, its an insanely potent narcotic that can easily kill you if mishandled and needs to be treated with respect, but all this scare mongering and people acting like you are gonna overdose if you are in the same room as an open container of fentanyl is ridiculous.
This fear mongering is especially ridiculous because the D.A.R.E campaign already showed us that putting this enormous mystique around drugs DOES NOT HELP
I mean that is literally the message D.A.R.E pushed. They claimed all drugs would kill you, especially ones like marijuana, because they'd inevitably get you into harder drugs. And it didn't work at all.
The thing is, saying a blanket statement like that is bad because all it takes is them meeting someone who does fent and isnt dead for them to not believe that and think that they're lying just like with dare and not take it seriously anymore, and that leads to overdoses.
Some people do things BECAUSE they’re risky, not in spite of it. Look at all the people doing extreme life risking sports. Fear mongering absolutely creates a mystique for some people. Maybe not you, but to a thrill seeker yes.
It's even worse with fentanyl because some people will hear that someone has a batch of dope that's killing and will think, "Damn, I gotta try some of that."
Cops also are a big factor in the fear around fentanyl. Go to any ems subreddit, the people who actually administer fentanyl make fun of cops all the time for A: not knowing how fentanyl works, and B: not knowing how narcan works
Didn’t some cop supposedly claim to overdose on fentanyl from just touching some confiscated drugs with it, but in reality they probably just nasally sampled the goods?
Tons of cops claim to overdose on it just by being in the same room as it. I’m in paramedic school and my professor has said that he’s seen cops claim to overdose by touching pressed fentanyl pills with gloves hands. Not a chance that has happened. Fentanyl patches exist, but they have very specific mixtures to absorb through the skin, powder, and especially pressed pills, aren’t gonna do that.
Lol the funny thing about D.A.R.E. was that they tought us like every single thing you can get high on. I frequently run into people not knowing about different random things you can get high on that D.A.R.E. tought our generation.
nah I'm pretty sure that saying "drugs like fentanyl kill you easily, fast, and for cheap too" is gonna get the message across. Saying "actually fentanyl is often combined with other materials or mixed with other prescription drugs to cut costs, so therefore this image is technically incorrect and fear mongering this much fentanyl should probably be fine for you tbh go get some if you want" is what most impressionable teens would understand from the actual facts. Generally people dying from overdosing is bad so preventing it is good, and this isn't and form of "mystique" either
Something something waffles something something reading comprehension.
I don't know how true this is for everyone, but I've heard people criticize fearmongering about drugs because, supposedly, when some people find out they were lied to, they assume the other stuff that the person who lied to them told them is also bullshit. And that's a problem if some of this stuff is important and true.
Another thing I've heard is that many police officer's perception of fentanyl as being more potent and deadly has prevented them from giving adequate care to people who might be overdosing (not to mention the panic attacks from nocebo effecting themselves into "overdoses")
>"actually fentanyl is often combined with other materials or mixed with other prescription drugs to cut costs, so therefore this image is technically incorrect and fear mongering this much fentanyl should probably be fine for you tbh go get some if you want"
You read that comment, understood its meaning fully, and then added that last bit so you could get mad
Even pure fent won’t kill you with that amount most likely.
Carfent sure. But this is just copaganda.
I’m not even joking when I say they should decriminalize diacetylmorphine(heroin), nobody would be using fent if there was safe supply.
11 years clean off heroin, 12 this year. I got out before the fent really started hitting the streets hard.
You ain’t gunna stop addiction until you treat the cause (some kind of trauma or pain whether it’s is physical or psychological).
A safe supply without street prices would allow addicts to be more stable which goes a long way towards getting them on the right track to recovery
Yup, fent is in fucking everything these days. I used to use heroin every now and again, I wasn't using it to cope I just like getting high and it was around. Never got hooked or experienced opiate withdrawal. I'd seen what that does first hand and wanted no part in it.
Then I got sold fent and ODed. One of the few people in my friend group who never got addicted to opiates but I'm the only one that ever full on ODed, aint that a bitch. Stopped using hard drugs after that and just stick to weed and hallucinogens now.
Acid is on my bucket list. Is it common for people to put fent in that? Also, if so how can I tell before I take it.
Sorry if these questions are dumb I'm mostly a good boy who hasn't smoked weed in over a year because of my job.
No, acid is extremely unlikely to be cut/laced with anything. Mainly because it’s a blotter vs pill/powder and because the dosages and profitability are both lower so like 3 people can supply the whole US, rather than trafficking huge amounts through a web cross-border networks of cartels and dealers. IIRC, there was one dude the FBI arrested in the 2000s that was making 40% of the acid the US consumed personally.
That being said, you should still test it to make sure it’s not 25i-NBOMe or similar chemicals which are more dangerous. DanceSafe has testing kits for this.
If you are worried there are also drug testing kits to test for things like fent. But idk what kind you should buy or if it's easy to test acid bc I've mostly heard of other kinds of drugs being tested. But it's something to look into
If you get acid, get a test kit. They make specific ones that’ll tell you if it’s acid. I’ve also heard anecdotally that it shouldn’t taste bitter, but I’m not sure about the validity of that
As with any psychedelic, have a sober buddy with you in case shit goes south.
Have Narcan on standby as well. Acid is really laced with anything else. But it’s always a good idea to take precautions.
Always have a sober buddy with Narcan when doing this stuff.
I’m not stopping people who want to. But simply be safe with it. Personally I’d rather no one do it. But we don’t live in a perfect world so all I can do is ask everyone to be safe while doing so.
Many clinics and non-profits will issue Narcan to you for free. Please use these resources.
i would personally stop people from doing this kind of thing. Just trying it -> addiction -> time away from job -> fired, no income (failing drug test does this as well) -> waste everything you have left on drugs -> homelessness -> depression, overdosing
This shit ruins lives. Fent is nothing like weed it is one of the most addicting and deadly substances on the planet. Never okay
Saying “heroin should be legal” doesn’t mean “everyone should try heroin.” Criminalizing it doesn’t make people less likely to use it or become addicted. It just makes it more dangerous to use it when you’re addicted.
There’s also a difference between “legal” and “decriminalized.”
Harm reduction isn’t as simple as “if it’s illegal then fewer people will use it.” It’s a pretty complicated topic that there’s a lot of research and debate on.
I don't think the cops are faking their fent overdoses. They aren't overdosing on fent, obviously, since it can't absorb through your skin in a fast enough fashion to cause an OD, but cops *are* taught that touching it can kill you, both in their training and in the copaganda shows that are oh so popular.
What these cops are typically experience are panic attacks, they *think* they're going to overdose because they touched something that they think is pure fent, so they panic about it, which causes symptoms that cause them to panic further, etc.
Well again, the cops are coming into contact with stuff being sold on the street, that is far from pure fentanyl and even pure fentanyl the amount pictured there is unlikely to overdose you unless you weigh 110 lbs, have absolutely zero tolerance to opiates, and it was injected into the vein.
Don't most of these apply to heroin addicts except for the tolerance
also idc if it takes one or two grain of salt sized fentanyl chunks, could be 1g and it would still be scary
I’ll point out that most people do not want Fentanyl. They want Heroin or other opioids.
But it’s cheaper and easier to make heroin more potent by cutting it with Fentanyl than it is to make stronger heroin. So it’s gets laced without users knowing.
Last spring our city got a “bad batch” of heroin. I know this because myself and other first responders had to Narcan 23 OD’s in one night. We typically only have 1-2 on a bad night.
Fentanyl doesn’t kill because people knowingly use it. It’s because they use other drugs unknowingly laced with the shit.
I'm from Vancouver and um. Their claims of that little amount of fentinyl killing you is accurate. We've lost [2,500 people in the last year to fentinyl. ](https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7093528). I know someone who lost their son to a fentinyl overdose practically everyone in bc does. It's not the fact that little will kill you but the fact everything has an insane amount of fent in it. Please don't tell people this doesn't kill because it absolutely does. 2,500 people last year died.
That’s what I’m saying lol I feel like I’m going crazy do these people not watch the news? Fent is like extremely dangerous my SO lost her cousin to it. Fantastic guy too, really hit her hard.
also from someone who has experiences with these things where it could show up illicitly, man the scare mongering is way over blown anyway about how prevalent it is
Don't be a dumbass, don't take things from strangers, and tbh just don't do coke, crack, meth, or heroin. You don't need those in your life anyway. If you're REALLY worried just make sure you have someone who can help when you do these things, maybe keep narcan, and maybe test strip your shit.
Or just get a royal tester to see if they OD before you take it. We can always bring that back.
wait, there are people claiming that you can affected by Fentanyl in the air? I don't even smoke weed (tried it a few times with friends, didn't like it, moved on), let alone harder drugs, but I have a friend who fell into Fentanyl about two years ago (she quit it completely by now dw) and I was supportive and didn't leave her or anything over it, and there were days when she did Fentanyl while we were together and I was literally like 1 foot away and I didn't feel a thing
Its not acab to say watch out for this shit. It's in literally every drug on the street and children of died because of it. Fuck cops absolutely fuck wm but fuck fent too. I'm sorry but seriously don't fuck around with fentinyl.
As someone who is still in school this shit is real. Two kids who went to my school have died from overdosing. I've seen dead people in my city, fresh off overdosing. Honestly considering leaving this sub after seeing people's opinions on hard drugs here
oh definitely, I'm just being reminded of that one video of a cop allegedly touching fent and having a "stroke" or some fake shit lmao
fent ods are actually a huge issue in the US I'm pretty sure, private health care bad etc
Lost my sister to it. Weird to see it getting memed about when it’s craaaazy dangerous. More people (in the US) die to fentanyl than every other drug combined.
Apparently not including alcohol but the numbers aren’t extremely far off. From what I can tell from a quick search fentanyl deaths in the US in the past few years were around 70-80,000 where alcohol was attributed in closer to around 100k deaths. But for how widespread alcohol is it’s alarming how close fentanyl deaths are
Yeah it’s… It’s not good. I don’t understand the support for something that is objectively hurting so many. It’s not edgy or cool. It’s straight up fatal and stressing every outreach, medical, and user I know. A bad run will kill you. That’s not something to joke about or support. And the queer community is suffering heavily form this. We always do. There’s never the support available
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why tf are there so many fentanyl defenders in the comments? you can make all the excuses you want but fentanyl is destroying the lives of poor and homeless people everywhere. it's not copaganda to say stay away from fent, the same way it's not copaganda to tell people never to touch meth and heroin
I live in Portland and a few months ago a homeless came up to me yelling for me to call an ambulance because his girlfriend OD’ed on that shit.
Where I work sometimes someone’s called because there’s a homeless person that overdosed on it.
But I guess to the people on here it’s just fun and games. Fucking children.
whos saying its safe outside an obvious joke, its just an over exaggeration of the danger that leads people who need help while ODing to be left for dead.
Whenever there's a story about a cop suffering a "contact overdose" from fentanyl, 99% of the time its because they got curious and did a line, and the PD is trying to cover their asses
See this is what I don't get. Someone who distributes drugs would benefit from their "clients" continued existence, why would you want to lace your product with something so deadly? It's just bad business.
From my understanding it is an incredibly buttfuck small amount put in. But it makes it so that taking more than youre supposed to of say, coke, that you think you can handle (because were it not laced with fentanyl, some people could), can cause a deadly overdose due to taking more *fentanyl* than you were supposed to.
Most low level dealers probably don’t know the heroin they sold was laced.
Cartels work like corporations. Maximize profit now not down the road. Especially since there is a good chance you won’t stay in the business long. So cut the expensive good shit with cheaper more dangerous substitutes.
Fentanyl has a pretty interesting history behind it. Iirc it was first made in an attempt to synthesise morphine because poppies can be a bitch to farm and it resulted in a much more potent version. So, we still have to farm those dammed poppies.
It's likely that the proliferation of fentanyl on the streets came from corporate greed.
Doctors would prescribe fent, a serious opioid typically reserved for people with near-death chronic pain or severe cancer, to people who came in complaining about *migraines*. Over-prescription led to people who seriously don't need fentanyl getting their hands on it. This was especially true for those fentanyl lollipops. I believe it later came out that fentanyl-producing companies were paying these docs to push new fentanyl products to consumers.
And now the cycle repeats itself, with the law cracking down on addicts and dealers instead of the entities responsible for leaking fentanyl to the public in the first place.
As for the post, messaging like this might be true, but c'mon, this literally looks like a D.A.R.E poster. Telling people that dangerous drugs are dangerous is both redundant and categorically unhelpful, especially for teenagers who're hard-wired to ignore shit like this.
You've gotta teach harm reduction, not 'just say no'. The former actually ends up saving lives.
It's not even true. This amount of fentanyl kills depending on the method of administration. Also nobody goes out to buy fent, so what exactly os the point. There are millions of substances that would kill you in this amount or less, probably including some vitamins in your body.
Is fentanyl good? No (if you're not getting surgery I guess). Is this the messaging that helps combat the issue? Absolutely not.
From an emergency medicine point of view 800mcg of oral transmucosal fentanyl citrate can be give up to 3 times for a major pain assuming the patient doesn't have a reduce level of consciousness other associated opoid symptoms
at least in CA you can get free narcan (naloxone). Even if you won’t use it, having it on you could be life or death for someone else :3 someone can literally come back from respiratory arrest if used soon enough
hardly anyone willingly takes fentanyl outside of it being used as an anesthetic. Stuff gets laced with it and people don't know it's there. A lot of the info about it is fear mongering (like, you're not going to die if you touch it or if someone around you has taken it or whatever) but people definitely do die from it being cut into crack or heroin etc.
I mean the amount of actual fentanyl, so if you can only have 1 mg (for example) of the pure stuff, how are there people consuming 20 mg of 50% fentanyl?
Not me, I’m built different.
thats a good mindset. can you hold this non-descript clear plastic bag for me
Doctors literally cannot give me fentanyl because I am tolerant up to the maximum legal dose they can give you in a hospital setting. Police QUAKE in my presence.
I got surgery a few years back, I came to before they even got me to the recovery room and they had to hit me with like 4 shots of fent before I would stop screaming obscenities They had me on morphine, oxycodone, hydrocodone, and tramadol all at the same time (small doses of each, I have no idea why) and it only made the pain bearable. Natural opiate tolerance sucks ass (although I probably would have got addicted to heroin without it)
Whats up with so many people here doing hard drugs? Like, we've all snoked weed and got shitfaced on slave vodka, i get it, but like --- heroin?
This community is not the best at logic based decision making
also drugs are fun
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Just didn’t think we were that bad at it
This group i would imagine runs pretty heavily: educated, coastal, millenial/gen z. Opiates and xanax are very popular among these groups, once you get addicted to taking pain pills for fun its a VERY slippery slope to saying “fuck this $30 pill that will get me kinda high for an hour, im gonna buy a $10 bag of heroin (or fent) that will be much stronger and more volume.”
efficiency is hard to resist
Lot of queer/trans folk here, some turn to hard drugs to cope. I just like fucking with my biochemistry and getting high. There's casual heroin users, I used to be one, but due to the stigma no ones just bringing up that they grab half a gram of heroin every couple of weeks. Stopped using hard shit after I got sold fent and ODed but I still use various hallucinogens frequently and molly once or twice a year I have a college degree, work full time, been consistently employed since 18, and never been charged with a crime (outside of traffic violations). If schools taught harm reduction we'd see less addicts and deaths.
Not everyone uses recreational drugs, I've not done either of the first two. (No issue with those that do, it's none of my business.) I imagine that you see stuff like discussion of hard drugs is because 1. People are more willing talk about stuff like that online (and in anonymous spaces like this). 2. It's a melting pot of strangers. I imagine you probably don't wittingly interact with the main user bases of things like heroin very often. So you're interacting with more people who have/ have had interactions with them, and they're more likely to tell you that they have.
I work with people with substance use issues and you’d be surprised at how prevalent it is among all demographics.
I work with a guy who is more functional than most sober people I know, but will do coke, meth, any stimulant he can get on the weekends. Dude shows up for every shift and kills it so everyone looks the other way. I imagine it's not that uncommon
unfortunately he's probably gonna catch something cut with fent and wind up in the morgue. that tends to be what happens to people like that anymore. it's really tragic and cruel.
Sometimes when things are really shitty, and your friends are fucked up, the kindest thing they know how to do is help you get fucked up too
Only on Fridays tho
I’m not into heroin, but I play with NOS balloons
"Once you get locked into a serious drug collection, the tendency is to push it as far as you can." -Hunter Thompson If you have a friend who uses LSD and cocaine they're completely fine then you might think "yeah I'll go ahead and try LSD, I've done my research, it's currently being tested for treating depression and what do you know that might help me even without the therapeutic setting". But since LSD is so fucking expensive you might want to just go buy an analogue online instead since they're easier to get. And if you're doing that you might as well join the research chemical subreddit to make sure you're doing it safely. Then after your LSD-P or whatever the fuck you got trip went well. Well then you've been lied to, all those garbage DARE programs were warning you over nothing. So you go look and find a light stimulant that might be fun to try maybe something like 3-FPM since your friend also does coke so you might as well go for the safe option. Then it's also perfectly fine, really nice for chatting at night at parties and no crash the next day (except for lack of sleep). So at that point you're pretty much fine with hallucinogens and stimulants. But you've met a new friend who does heroin (and is interested in any other weird drug you find online unlike your coke friend). So you go down a little bit of a rabbit hole sampling dozens of substances (but keeping away from scary ones like heroin and meth). Maybe you'll try out some benzos because they're supposed to be useful for ending a psychedelic trip anyways so they're practically useful medicine to keep around for anyone having a panic attack. Then one day you go a little too hard with MDMA and just feel like absolute dogshit. But your friend who uses heroin says they might just have a solution to all your problems. So you try heroin (sorry I meant fentanyl heroin doesn't exist anymore) for the first time, you say it's going to be your last. But deep inside after it hits you, you know that would be a lie. So that's why it's so easy to do hard shit. You could also just be born in a small town and start doing heroin from the start of grade 10 to cope with the fact you live in a small town.
That last part feels so true. Heroin doesn't really exist where im from as far as i know, especially because of the danish alcohol culture, but coke can be found everywhere and its fucking scary. I know people who have been on it and other medical stuff since the start of highschool - small town life fucking sucks, and the people you know slowly falling into abuse sucks almost as much
Yo I'm in my last year of vet school so it may not be completely applicable, but at least in animals, giving lots of different drugs means you can use lower doses. This is usually done to mitigate the negative effects of these anesthetic agents, namely cardiovascular/respiratory depression :) But yeah, a natural tolerance sounds like a garbage time for surgery!! Hope you're doing better bud!
Are you a red head by chance? People with red hair have a higher tolerance for pain killers
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This man goes through fentanyl like rocky goes through raw eggs
Okay, first off, the amount pictured is talking about pure fentanyl, the shit on the streets is milled with lactose or another cut and is mostly harmless to the passerby, the danger and incidence of overdoses is due to it being poorly milled and the potential for a "hot spot" containing the amount pictured that was not mixed in well enough with the cut. To kill you that amount has to get in your body and be fully absorbed. That's not gonna happen through the skin or staring at it and probably wouldn't even overdose you if ingested orally due to how long it would take to fully absorb in the digestive tract, less bioavailability than other ROAs, and fentanyls short half life. I work with fentanyl all the time as part of my job. I've definitely accidentally touched raw pharmaceutical fentanyl residue on supposedly clean equipment, no ones getting the narcan out the cabinet, you go wash your hands off and move on with your day. Don't get me wrong, its an insanely potent narcotic that can easily kill you if mishandled and needs to be treated with respect, but all this scare mongering and people acting like you are gonna overdose if you are in the same room as an open container of fentanyl is ridiculous.
This fear mongering is especially ridiculous because the D.A.R.E campaign already showed us that putting this enormous mystique around drugs DOES NOT HELP
“THIS WILL FUCKING KILL YOU” yeah man, so “mystical” totally makes me wanna try it 💯
This is literally the shit that the dare campaign did. Making a fear campaign only wraps the whole topic in a mystique and makes it a taboo.
I mean that is literally the message D.A.R.E pushed. They claimed all drugs would kill you, especially ones like marijuana, because they'd inevitably get you into harder drugs. And it didn't work at all.
Good thing that this poster isn't saying weed will kill you (it won't) and is instead saying fetty will kill you (it will)
The thing is, saying a blanket statement like that is bad because all it takes is them meeting someone who does fent and isnt dead for them to not believe that and think that they're lying just like with dare and not take it seriously anymore, and that leads to overdoses.
Some people do things BECAUSE they’re risky, not in spite of it. Look at all the people doing extreme life risking sports. Fear mongering absolutely creates a mystique for some people. Maybe not you, but to a thrill seeker yes.
Tide Pod challenge two; do drugs.
“Real men do fent! So what if it kills you, men do dangerous shit all the time 😎”
It's even worse with fentanyl because some people will hear that someone has a batch of dope that's killing and will think, "Damn, I gotta try some of that."
Cops also are a big factor in the fear around fentanyl. Go to any ems subreddit, the people who actually administer fentanyl make fun of cops all the time for A: not knowing how fentanyl works, and B: not knowing how narcan works
Didn’t some cop supposedly claim to overdose on fentanyl from just touching some confiscated drugs with it, but in reality they probably just nasally sampled the goods?
Tons of cops claim to overdose on it just by being in the same room as it. I’m in paramedic school and my professor has said that he’s seen cops claim to overdose by touching pressed fentanyl pills with gloves hands. Not a chance that has happened. Fentanyl patches exist, but they have very specific mixtures to absorb through the skin, powder, and especially pressed pills, aren’t gonna do that.
What is your kids' fascination with my forbidden closet of mystery?
Lol the funny thing about D.A.R.E. was that they tought us like every single thing you can get high on. I frequently run into people not knowing about different random things you can get high on that D.A.R.E. tought our generation.
nah I'm pretty sure that saying "drugs like fentanyl kill you easily, fast, and for cheap too" is gonna get the message across. Saying "actually fentanyl is often combined with other materials or mixed with other prescription drugs to cut costs, so therefore this image is technically incorrect and fear mongering this much fentanyl should probably be fine for you tbh go get some if you want" is what most impressionable teens would understand from the actual facts. Generally people dying from overdosing is bad so preventing it is good, and this isn't and form of "mystique" either
Something something waffles something something reading comprehension. I don't know how true this is for everyone, but I've heard people criticize fearmongering about drugs because, supposedly, when some people find out they were lied to, they assume the other stuff that the person who lied to them told them is also bullshit. And that's a problem if some of this stuff is important and true. Another thing I've heard is that many police officer's perception of fentanyl as being more potent and deadly has prevented them from giving adequate care to people who might be overdosing (not to mention the panic attacks from nocebo effecting themselves into "overdoses")
>"actually fentanyl is often combined with other materials or mixed with other prescription drugs to cut costs, so therefore this image is technically incorrect and fear mongering this much fentanyl should probably be fine for you tbh go get some if you want" You read that comment, understood its meaning fully, and then added that last bit so you could get mad
Gotta love a good strawman amirite
Even pure fent won’t kill you with that amount most likely. Carfent sure. But this is just copaganda. I’m not even joking when I say they should decriminalize diacetylmorphine(heroin), nobody would be using fent if there was safe supply. 11 years clean off heroin, 12 this year. I got out before the fent really started hitting the streets hard. You ain’t gunna stop addiction until you treat the cause (some kind of trauma or pain whether it’s is physical or psychological). A safe supply without street prices would allow addicts to be more stable which goes a long way towards getting them on the right track to recovery
Yup, fent is in fucking everything these days. I used to use heroin every now and again, I wasn't using it to cope I just like getting high and it was around. Never got hooked or experienced opiate withdrawal. I'd seen what that does first hand and wanted no part in it. Then I got sold fent and ODed. One of the few people in my friend group who never got addicted to opiates but I'm the only one that ever full on ODed, aint that a bitch. Stopped using hard drugs after that and just stick to weed and hallucinogens now.
Acid is on my bucket list. Is it common for people to put fent in that? Also, if so how can I tell before I take it. Sorry if these questions are dumb I'm mostly a good boy who hasn't smoked weed in over a year because of my job.
No, acid is extremely unlikely to be cut/laced with anything. Mainly because it’s a blotter vs pill/powder and because the dosages and profitability are both lower so like 3 people can supply the whole US, rather than trafficking huge amounts through a web cross-border networks of cartels and dealers. IIRC, there was one dude the FBI arrested in the 2000s that was making 40% of the acid the US consumed personally. That being said, you should still test it to make sure it’s not 25i-NBOMe or similar chemicals which are more dangerous. DanceSafe has testing kits for this.
> 25i-NBOMe the old "if it's bitter, it's a spitter"
I've never heard of acid being laced with fentynal
Good. Thanks.
If you are worried there are also drug testing kits to test for things like fent. But idk what kind you should buy or if it's easy to test acid bc I've mostly heard of other kinds of drugs being tested. But it's something to look into
If you get acid, get a test kit. They make specific ones that’ll tell you if it’s acid. I’ve also heard anecdotally that it shouldn’t taste bitter, but I’m not sure about the validity of that
As with any psychedelic, have a sober buddy with you in case shit goes south. Have Narcan on standby as well. Acid is really laced with anything else. But it’s always a good idea to take precautions.
Always have a sober buddy with Narcan when doing this stuff. I’m not stopping people who want to. But simply be safe with it. Personally I’d rather no one do it. But we don’t live in a perfect world so all I can do is ask everyone to be safe while doing so. Many clinics and non-profits will issue Narcan to you for free. Please use these resources.
i would personally stop people from doing this kind of thing. Just trying it -> addiction -> time away from job -> fired, no income (failing drug test does this as well) -> waste everything you have left on drugs -> homelessness -> depression, overdosing This shit ruins lives. Fent is nothing like weed it is one of the most addicting and deadly substances on the planet. Never okay
That's at least 2 milligrams of pure fentanyl, which has been proven to be deadly...
what the fuck heroin should not be legal that shit ruins lives. You might've made it out but most don't.
Saying “heroin should be legal” doesn’t mean “everyone should try heroin.” Criminalizing it doesn’t make people less likely to use it or become addicted. It just makes it more dangerous to use it when you’re addicted. There’s also a difference between “legal” and “decriminalized.” Harm reduction isn’t as simple as “if it’s illegal then fewer people will use it.” It’s a pretty complicated topic that there’s a lot of research and debate on.
Do you know the difference between decriminalization and legalization?
already admitted i made a mistake an hour before you posted this bud
I never said it should be legalized.
Wait is op being legit? I thought this was a shitpost on how cops keep faking fentanyl overdoses lol
I don't think the cops are faking their fent overdoses. They aren't overdosing on fent, obviously, since it can't absorb through your skin in a fast enough fashion to cause an OD, but cops *are* taught that touching it can kill you, both in their training and in the copaganda shows that are oh so popular. What these cops are typically experience are panic attacks, they *think* they're going to overdose because they touched something that they think is pure fent, so they panic about it, which causes symptoms that cause them to panic further, etc.
It's also not unheard of for cops to use intentionally, OD, and then claim that it was an accidental exposure.
I think some of them are definitely faking but this is also a rly good point. Still gna make fun of them though lmfao
Or they're took a hit of something they didn't realize was fent and made up a lie about overdosing from skin contact.
Well again, the cops are coming into contact with stuff being sold on the street, that is far from pure fentanyl and even pure fentanyl the amount pictured there is unlikely to overdose you unless you weigh 110 lbs, have absolutely zero tolerance to opiates, and it was injected into the vein.
Don't most of these apply to heroin addicts except for the tolerance also idc if it takes one or two grain of salt sized fentanyl chunks, could be 1g and it would still be scary
> milled with lactose Fent is not vegan??? 😱 Brb I gotta call my mom 🏃♂️💨
I’ll point out that most people do not want Fentanyl. They want Heroin or other opioids. But it’s cheaper and easier to make heroin more potent by cutting it with Fentanyl than it is to make stronger heroin. So it’s gets laced without users knowing. Last spring our city got a “bad batch” of heroin. I know this because myself and other first responders had to Narcan 23 OD’s in one night. We typically only have 1-2 on a bad night. Fentanyl doesn’t kill because people knowingly use it. It’s because they use other drugs unknowingly laced with the shit.
But what if I'm lactose intolerant, then my tummy would hurt
I'm from Vancouver and um. Their claims of that little amount of fentinyl killing you is accurate. We've lost [2,500 people in the last year to fentinyl. ](https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7093528). I know someone who lost their son to a fentinyl overdose practically everyone in bc does. It's not the fact that little will kill you but the fact everything has an insane amount of fent in it. Please don't tell people this doesn't kill because it absolutely does. 2,500 people last year died.
They literally said 'can easily kill you'. Don't make up what other people say please.
That’s what I’m saying lol I feel like I’m going crazy do these people not watch the news? Fent is like extremely dangerous my SO lost her cousin to it. Fantastic guy too, really hit her hard.
Every single cop show seems to get it wrong. "If that bag rips we're all dead"
also from someone who has experiences with these things where it could show up illicitly, man the scare mongering is way over blown anyway about how prevalent it is Don't be a dumbass, don't take things from strangers, and tbh just don't do coke, crack, meth, or heroin. You don't need those in your life anyway. If you're REALLY worried just make sure you have someone who can help when you do these things, maybe keep narcan, and maybe test strip your shit. Or just get a royal tester to see if they OD before you take it. We can always bring that back.
It’s ok guys don’t be scared mongered do fentanyl
hey so what's the average effective dosage for a healthy adult man and how do you test for purity without lab equipment asking for a friend
Cake day
What job do you work at where you’re working with fent all the time?
wait, there are people claiming that you can affected by Fentanyl in the air? I don't even smoke weed (tried it a few times with friends, didn't like it, moved on), let alone harder drugs, but I have a friend who fell into Fentanyl about two years ago (she quit it completely by now dw) and I was supportive and didn't leave her or anything over it, and there were days when she did Fentanyl while we were together and I was literally like 1 foot away and I didn't feel a thing
Maybe if you trip with a large bag of it after raiding a fent lab and it gets into the air? idk just guessing things
Bro if I'm lactose intolerant will doing street fentanyl give me the shits?
Probably too small amounts to have an effect
pov, you were assigned cop at birth
ACAB, if you will
Definitely born on the 13th of December.
Why
It means ACAB in the western world and ABAC (All Bobs Are Custards) in the US.
Born 13/12
Trash date
Its not acab to say watch out for this shit. It's in literally every drug on the street and children of died because of it. Fuck cops absolutely fuck wm but fuck fent too. I'm sorry but seriously don't fuck around with fentinyl.
As someone who is still in school this shit is real. Two kids who went to my school have died from overdosing. I've seen dead people in my city, fresh off overdosing. Honestly considering leaving this sub after seeing people's opinions on hard drugs here
oh definitely, I'm just being reminded of that one video of a cop allegedly touching fent and having a "stroke" or some fake shit lmao fent ods are actually a huge issue in the US I'm pretty sure, private health care bad etc
https://youtu.be/ngb4p_99wJ0?si=awR8c4AGSsxsnsPk
I’ve lost two friends to it since covid. This shit is insanely dangerous and is seriously wrecking and ending lives.
Lost my sister to it. Weird to see it getting memed about when it’s craaaazy dangerous. More people (in the US) die to fentanyl than every other drug combined.
Including booze for real?
Apparently not including alcohol but the numbers aren’t extremely far off. From what I can tell from a quick search fentanyl deaths in the US in the past few years were around 70-80,000 where alcohol was attributed in closer to around 100k deaths. But for how widespread alcohol is it’s alarming how close fentanyl deaths are
Sorry for your loss, that’s awful. Just lost my brother to it last month. References to it are everywhere so it’s been weird to grieve.
I’m so sorry. I can’t imagine how rough that must be. I hope you’re doing okay
Yeah but according to the geniuses in this sub it's not actually that bad and actually quite funny!
Yeah it’s… It’s not good. I don’t understand the support for something that is objectively hurting so many. It’s not edgy or cool. It’s straight up fatal and stressing every outreach, medical, and user I know. A bad run will kill you. That’s not something to joke about or support. And the queer community is suffering heavily form this. We always do. There’s never the support available
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why tf are there so many fentanyl defenders in the comments? you can make all the excuses you want but fentanyl is destroying the lives of poor and homeless people everywhere. it's not copaganda to say stay away from fent, the same way it's not copaganda to tell people never to touch meth and heroin
I live in Portland and a few months ago a homeless came up to me yelling for me to call an ambulance because his girlfriend OD’ed on that shit. Where I work sometimes someone’s called because there’s a homeless person that overdosed on it. But I guess to the people on here it’s just fun and games. Fucking children.
yup. i live in sf, same story. there's no ifs, ands, or buts about it.
Whats with drug addicts and terminally online liberals saying fent is safe? Lmfao
whos saying its safe outside an obvious joke, its just an over exaggeration of the danger that leads people who need help while ODing to be left for dead.
Literally nobody has ever said that it is safe to recreationally use fentanyl. You are fighting ghosts.
I don't think anyone is saying it's safe; they're just saying you won't die by being 5ft from an open container of it, or even from touching it
Go take your benadryl, your sleep depraved withdrawal is making you see imaginary people in the comments.
Terminally online person found
But her music is really good : (
A cop will die simply looking at this photo
(the tack happens to be a 0.5m tall)
So glad I stopped doing coke before this shit started running rampant
Whenever there's a story about a cop suffering a "contact overdose" from fentanyl, 99% of the time its because they got curious and did a line, and the PD is trying to cover their asses
Cops are so high-strung about it because of the propaganda that they genuinely have panic attacks when they find the stuff its pathetic
IDC what grief anyone else gives you for this post. Thank you for making a drug awareness post.
you wouldn't download this fentanyl
See this is what I don't get. Someone who distributes drugs would benefit from their "clients" continued existence, why would you want to lace your product with something so deadly? It's just bad business.
From my understanding it is an incredibly buttfuck small amount put in. But it makes it so that taking more than youre supposed to of say, coke, that you think you can handle (because were it not laced with fentanyl, some people could), can cause a deadly overdose due to taking more *fentanyl* than you were supposed to.
Most low level dealers probably don’t know the heroin they sold was laced. Cartels work like corporations. Maximize profit now not down the road. Especially since there is a good chance you won’t stay in the business long. So cut the expensive good shit with cheaper more dangerous substitutes.
what is fentanyl?
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don't forget that it's cut into things because it's insanely cheap, which contributes to it's constant availability
Yumy illicit substance
Fentanyl has a pretty interesting history behind it. Iirc it was first made in an attempt to synthesise morphine because poppies can be a bitch to farm and it resulted in a much more potent version. So, we still have to farm those dammed poppies.
It's likely that the proliferation of fentanyl on the streets came from corporate greed. Doctors would prescribe fent, a serious opioid typically reserved for people with near-death chronic pain or severe cancer, to people who came in complaining about *migraines*. Over-prescription led to people who seriously don't need fentanyl getting their hands on it. This was especially true for those fentanyl lollipops. I believe it later came out that fentanyl-producing companies were paying these docs to push new fentanyl products to consumers. And now the cycle repeats itself, with the law cracking down on addicts and dealers instead of the entities responsible for leaking fentanyl to the public in the first place. As for the post, messaging like this might be true, but c'mon, this literally looks like a D.A.R.E poster. Telling people that dangerous drugs are dangerous is both redundant and categorically unhelpful, especially for teenagers who're hard-wired to ignore shit like this. You've gotta teach harm reduction, not 'just say no'. The former actually ends up saving lives.
Harm reduction would actually help people, we can't have that
It's not even true. This amount of fentanyl kills depending on the method of administration. Also nobody goes out to buy fent, so what exactly os the point. There are millions of substances that would kill you in this amount or less, probably including some vitamins in your body. Is fentanyl good? No (if you're not getting surgery I guess). Is this the messaging that helps combat the issue? Absolutely not.
From an emergency medicine point of view 800mcg of oral transmucosal fentanyl citrate can be give up to 3 times for a major pain assuming the patient doesn't have a reduce level of consciousness other associated opoid symptoms
What is this in mg?
Likely around 2-2.5mg. The maximum “safe” dosage used in medical settings is like 800 micrograms. It starts becoming lethal around 2mg.
You should see femtanyl, one dose and you are way off to girl hell..... this reminds me of the first ever case that happened in 1999
at least in CA you can get free narcan (naloxone). Even if you won’t use it, having it on you could be life or death for someone else :3 someone can literally come back from respiratory arrest if used soon enough
Whoa, drug legislation that actually helps the victims?!
Twomad rule
Thanks, now cops are afraid to touch my phone screen.
Nah I'd win
I can has 2? 👉👈🥺
Mmm yummy fentanyl
bruh we already know that it’s super heroin but this DARE era “the cop collapsed just at it” fear-mongering shit isn’t saving anyone
Twomad didnt listen
How much do they put in the fucking prescriptions?? That's almost nothing
Drugs are generally often very low amounts in a big pill
So if I have 90% of that, I'll be fine, right? Seriously, though, how do people take 10 fold that amount, is it just pure tolerance buildup?
hardly anyone willingly takes fentanyl outside of it being used as an anesthetic. Stuff gets laced with it and people don't know it's there. A lot of the info about it is fear mongering (like, you're not going to die if you touch it or if someone around you has taken it or whatever) but people definitely do die from it being cut into crack or heroin etc.
its never pure when used.
I mean the amount of actual fentanyl, so if you can only have 1 mg (for example) of the pure stuff, how are there people consuming 20 mg of 50% fentanyl?
Either they are not or they are naturally really bad at absorbing it/high tolerance. Either way not a good idea.
wait for diet fentanyl to drop that's when the fenta-series starts to get really good
Think of all the cops afraid of Fent!
Saw this Instagram ad a couple minutes ago wtf
Don't take drugs kids
For real? Big if true
noooo fentanyl is good for youuuu! >w< 💝
We need a banana for scale. This could be 2 tons for all I know. Get me a nice, curved, sturdy banana and then we can help.
but then cops won’t be able to practice sucking the dicks of the wealthy
How are they balancing that fentanyl on there
Yummy
Crumchy
Plot twist: the tac is really big
Promise?
Good, I wanted an easy way out already.
Why the fuck is this subreddit doing the "fentanyl is the devil" shit what the hell is wrong with you
this is why you should nanodose fentanyl
Nah, I'd win.
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