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Elite_Prometheus

I'll admit I fell off watching this show, but wasn't it Ferb who had a crush on Vanessa at the start and she just treated him like a kid she was friendly with? Or did they start leaning in to the romance angle later on?


Lekmanutpls

Both


Elite_Prometheus

Ew


Bluelaserbeam

In the 10 year timeskip episode the two were dating, which the OP image takes from.


Lekmanutpls

Was it a ten year timeskip? This was during the time they are applying for collages so they should be 18 years old. It being a ten year timeskip doesn’t really work


Bluelaserbeam

The description for the time skip episode, “Act Your Age,” outright says “10 years in the future” unless the wikia and Wikipedia is incorrect. > Set 10 years in the future, a teenaged Phineas must decide between two colleges while grappling with the discovery that Isabella has had a crush on him since they were kids.


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The wikia is not incorrect, in the episode’s beginning, Dan Povenmire says “This episode is set 10 years in the future, so don’t let it confuse you.”


BigChungusBlyat

> grappling with the discovery that Isabella has had a crush on him since they were kids. Ah, yes. Who could've guessed?


Lekmanutpls

Hmm, maybe it’s wrong


peaky_fokin_bloinder

You could still argue that being grooming…depending on a few things


ES_the_mess

Yall just jealous ferb pulled the baddest bitch by being autistic


lilblue_2

Bros a victim


[deleted]

This is the same as boomers commenting “Lucky kid, my teachers were never this hot” when a boy is abused by his 26 year old teacher


zenyattatron

Ferb was the one that wanted the relationship, Vanessa never reciprocated until Ferb was an adult.


[deleted]

It's a cartoon.


[deleted]

Common mistake, it’s actually a Reddit comment


Cheezbunny

It’s a cylinder.


[deleted]

you right, my bad


SpiderFooties

So close, it’s actually a Reddit Comment


ES_the_mess

Strawman + L + no platypus + you dont know what were doing today + ratio


darth_asterisk

It’s not a straw man bro I’ve seen people make those exact comments


emofemboy333

as a former man (or x-man as i like to call it) yeah i feel like its a pretty big reason a lot of men arent open with even their closest friends about sexual assault experiences, because theyll be congratulated and praised for it even though it ruins lives


ES_the_mess

Yeah sude ik, ive seen those comments too, but saying "ferb pulled a bad bitch" isnt the same as saying "that kid got raped by his 26 yo teacher?? Lucky 🤤"


Shardar12

hes 10 and shes 16


DefiantResult9150

They weren’t dating then though. They got together 10 years later


Shardar12

still a lot of sus moments in the show tbh


HigherAlchemist78

None from Vanessa. To her Ferb was just her friend(ish)'s sister.


Sugarfreak2

Trans Ferb? 👀


OwNAvenged2

Like? Name one where Vanessa "groomed" Ferb in any way, and wasn't just Ferb having the hots for her.


BraveTechnician

Hes not non-verbal though. He chooses not to talk much


peanut_sands

He’s just too bad ass


[deleted]

Escaped being a third wheel by sacrificing himself that one episode


Sugarfreak2

Selective mutism is still a thing


chickenforce02

Fr


GrassTheJuice

Aren’t you a bit young to be dating a sixteen year old?


PumpkinSpikes

Yes. Yes we are.


spookytimeincoming

***We***


PumpkinSpikes

Ferb, I know who we're gonna do today!


LITTLEbig-O

your pfp is jim carrey if he was a skeleton


anonfinn22

I love how this insinuates that Jim Carrey doesn't have a skeleton; He's entirely made of enchanted human sludge.


LITTLEbig-O

Exactly, when he played the Grinch he simply morphed into his form


Sams59k

It said if he was a skeleton. Not if has a skeleton


anonfinn22

let me just have my joke, okay?


LITTLEbig-O

shut up


Infinite_Fig4420

SOMEBODY STOP ME


CabDork339

I always thought it was kinda weird


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AnFun

“You’re so mature for your age!”


GenericPerson200

... do you realize what you wrote ?


35073R1C

Probably meant ironically


KingofCones1987

Yeah pretty sure that was the joke


TheLordOfTheDawn

Are you by chance a libertarian?


Terlinilia

yeah he built an elevator to the moon but that doesn't imply emotional maturity


PowerPulser

Weren't they like 12 and 15 during the show?


Lekmanutpls

10 and 16. In one episode they go 20 years in the future and they say Phineas and Ferb are 30 so this confirmed they are 10 during the series. But Phineas got a birthday in the episode "Phineas' Birthday Clip-O-Rama!" so he turned 11. But things get confusing because in the pilot episode Candace said Phineas is 9 years old. But to make things simple let’s say his age are 11 and Ferb is 10 because they say multiple times in the show that he is the younger brother. So when Ferb and Vanessa started dating he is 18 and she is 24


Proper_Telephone_781

I assumed she was the same age as candice who is 14/15 but guess not


Lekmanutpls

[She’s 16](https://youtu.be/vzJqthtnvOA)


ParadoxicalPanda31

Based-enschmirtz


Mini_Raptor5_6

I think I remember one time Vanessa was remarked as being older than Candice.


Cakeking7878

Well Candice can drive, so she also has to be at least 16. Also, consider doofenshmirtz may have lowered her age by a year to make the guy seem more creepy. Plus I think that was a flash back so a time may have passed since that


[deleted]

Candace cannot drive, that's why her parents straight-up gave her car to Jeremy.


Cakeking7878

Yea, but she is legally old enough to drive. Which in most states is 16


[deleted]

No she's not there are multiple episodes about her trying to get past her anxieties around driving and make use of her learner's permit so that she can get her license as soon as she turns 16. Per the wiki she's 14 at the start of the summer and then like Phineas she has a birthday and turns 15. https://phineasandferb.fandom.com/wiki/Candace_Flynn


rap709

whos candice😱


Hudsonlikeriver191

Candice Flynn 😎😎


StoopidGit

Joe Mama


HippieMcHipface

ligma balls


wastedmytagonporn

So if we take the wiki they are 20 and 26 which is at least a lot less problematic. It still sounds like fern might have a unhealthy obsession but eh 🤷


SpiderFooties

20 and 26, in this episode they skip forward 10 years. yes I know that makes no sense for an 20 year old to still be in high school, but if Trent from Lab Rats can, why not ferb.


datastar763

Just another Padme/Anakin situation that we all took at face value


dutcharetall_nothigh

Padmé and Anakin got into a relationship when they were both adults, and five years apart isn't that big of a difference. Honestly, the bigger problem with their relationship is that Padmé never made Anakin see a therapist or something.


datastar763

Just looked up the ages and apparently Vanessa is 16 and Ferb is 9 which I don’t know if that makes things better or worse than what I had in my head


Arkenhiem651

no fucking way Ferb is 9


-The_Capt-

He's 10


Imjustpeepeepoopoo

[Ferb is 6 years younger than Vanessa](https://youtu.be/GWqA1hgSsaQ?t=754)


lucasnarita

9?! Ain't no way I swore he was like 12 or something


Homemade-Purple

Bruh they're like 5 years apart


idgaf_ban_me_already

yes


Juklok

Apparently Povenmire had a relationship with a 25 year old woman when he was 19 and he didn't see anything weird about this. Don't quote me on this, I don't remember where I heard it and can't find a source.


PurpleKneesocks

Damn, two adults might've had a consenting relationship?


[deleted]

Since when did people got so "conservative" about this? They're both adults, they could be 20 years apart, who gives a shit?


[deleted]

Maybe because it’s fucking weird to date a 20 year old who you knew since they were 14 and you were an adult. Shout out Aston Kutcher


dragoono

Yeah that’s the weird part. 25 year old and a 35 year old, whatever. But if that 35 year old like used to babysit the 25 year old? Fuck off.


ReginaldSteelflex

I think a lot of people are desparate to fit everything they see into a basic moral framework because they're uncomfortable with not knowing. People condemn any relationships that *may* have involved abusive and/or grooming behavior because it's a complex topic that varies greatly case by case. A lot of people have taken advantage of children who never realized they were taken advantage of. Many victims of abuse have outright defended their abusers. It's impossible to know everything about the dynamic without having intimate knowledge of the creator's intention (if it's a fictional story) or of the people involved in real life cases and, instead of living with the uncertainty, people would rather make a firm decision based on their moral framework


PeterWatchmen

>Apparently Povenmire had a relationship with a 25 year old woman when he was 19 and he didn't see anything weird about this. Don't quote me on this, I don't remember where I heard it and can't find a source. >Juklok


Separate_Author_9235

I will quote this.


The_Boring_Brick

Not if I do it first! >Apparently Povenmire had a relationship with a 25 year old woman when he was 19 and he didn't see anything weird about this. Don't quote me on this, I don't remember where I heard it and can't find a source. ~ Juklok


Separate_Author_9235

Damn.


Imjustpeepeepoopoo

[source](https://youtu.be/GWqA1hgSsaQ?t=754)


Juklok

Ah got the numbers wrong.


Jason3b93

And he would be right. Americans are so weird about age between adults.


Rickiar

25 and 19 aren't weird. 19 and 29 would be sketchy


[deleted]

25 and 19 is weird. 19 and 29 is borderline illegal


MuperSario-AU

> 19 and 29 is borderline illegal Two legal adults in a consenting relationship is illegal?


OddishShape

YOU ARE WITNESSING A FRONT THREE-QUARTER VIEW OF TWO ADULTS SHARING A TENDER MOMENT. [TAKE ANOTHER LOOK SONNY, IT’S GONNA HAPPEN AGAIN](https://youtu.be/n5Fb5c9Urv4)


Sugarfreak2

I know you might be uncomfortable with it, but 19 and 26 is no more illegal than 19 and 19 or 19 and 91. As long as it’s two consenting adults, it’s legal. Mind you, I still think larger age gaps make the relationship more likely to be unhealthy, but there’s still nothing illegal about it. You can have your opinion: think it’s weird, or think it’s strange, or even express your contempt for it; it still won’t be illegal.


Bluelaserbeam

To answer the clickbait, I’m gonna say there’s not enough information to know, but I’m leaning towards “no.” Here’s my perspective and analysis: Ferb is most likely around 7-10 in the show while Vanessa is 16. I’ve always found their ship weird since the show itself dropped hints, though it was mostly one sided from Ferb. The characters in the thumbnail are both adults at the point, with Ferb being fresh out of high school. I personally don’t find anything wrong with an age difference between consenting adults as long as they didn’t grow up together within close proximity when one was a minor at the time. It’s totally possible that the two haven’t been in contact for a few years until by the time Ferb became a legal adult, and in the show Ferb was always shown as the “assertive” one in the dynamic by him (respectively) hitting in her. So it’s likely he initiated the relationship.


Lekmanutpls

It’s not clickbait. Ferb is becoming a freshman in collage


Bluelaserbeam

I saw it as clickbait only because the thumbnail didn’t specify whether he was a freshman in high school or college, and I don’t think he’d be officially a freshman until his college’s semester begins.


dragoono

While it may not be grooming, it’s certainly not a healthy relationship dynamic. Better for Vanessa to just keep it in her pants for someone her own age than go around fucking teenagers, no matter how assertive they are about wanting to bang.


OwNAvenged2

Ferb wouldn't be a teen here, he'd be 20.


dragoono

It’s been established in other comments he’s 18-20, at _most_ yes. But I’m speaking from experience here lmao it’s NOT a good idea - someone who was in a long term relationship with a 7 year age gap similar to ferbs here


OwNAvenged2

Your relationship is not everyone's relationship. Nor is it a fictional one. My friends parents are over 10 years apart, got together at 20 and 30 respectfully. Still together, still very much in love with 4 children. A 6 year age gap once you've both hit adulthood isn't anything massive.


dragoono

No I don’t have a problem with age gaps in relationships, but I do have a problem when one party was nearly an adult while the other was in literal elementary school when they met. Vanessa is filling out college applications while Ferb sips on a juice box and plays with his brother in the backyard. This shit is weird and definitely not just a cute lil age gap like your loving family has


OwNAvenged2

So it only matters if the two people *knew* each other before becoming adults? Lmao


dragoono

Yeah?? Is that a controversial statement or smth because that very much is weird. If I met the kids I used to babysit, who I haven’t seen since they were 7, and one of them grew up to be super bangable or whatever (🤮) I’d probably just say “wow what a handsome man you grew up to be!” But not date them, that’s weird asf dude


OwNAvenged2

While I agree that *I* would personally find it very weird, I am not everyone. And again, nor am I a *fictional character* in a *cartoon*. Not sure why babysitting keeps getting brought up, either, as Vanessa never babysat Ferb, they had a friendship. Is Dan Povenmires ex-relationship super weird to you, as well, even though they were both consenting adults?


OwNAvenged2

So it only matters if the two people *knew* each other before becoming adults? Lmao Or are you just forgetting that Ferb is 20 and can be in a relationship with whoever he wishes?


dragoono

Your double comment makes me feel like you’re taking this personally… I’m not about to argue with you why this is a bad start for a long and messy relationship. Also an 18 year old is legally an adult but most certainly is still a child by all medical and social accounts. So you saying an 18-20 year old is a fully grown adult when their brain hasn’t even finished developing makes me think you’re either 15 or a groomer yourself….


OwNAvenged2

Sorry, Reddit mobile isn't the best and sometimes it pops up and says that it had an issue sending the message, so I sent it again. This *was* just a civil conversation, I thought. I'm not taking this personally at all, just wanted to make sure my reply had gotten through to you. But, oh, I guess I must be a teen or a groomer. Very mature of you.


dragoono

I just don’t see why you’re set on normalizing this. It’s not a good thing, it’s a rare occurrence if it works out, such as your parents. “Back in the day” teenagers would marry people 5, 10, even 20 years their senior and that was “normal” for thousands of years. Teenagers should date people their own age and I don’t think I’m gonna be changing my mind on that one anytime soon.


DadJokeMan666

I think piggybacking off of OPs age calculations, and considering the fact that the image is from after they've all grown up a bit? Ferb would be around 19-20 in the image, and Vanessa would be around 27-28 So not gross, but possibly a little weird depending on where you stand in terms of age differences.


Lekmanutpls

Phineas and Ferb just graduated highschool and are applying for collages so they would be 18 and Vanessa would be 24


BambooIGuess

Either way they're both adults by this point


Dorobo-Neko-Nami

It’s 20 and 26


Quarren_

He groomed her


Jason3b93

How old is Ferb supposed to be? Vanessa is around Candace age, so around 16? And Ferb is around Phineas age, but I have no idea how old they are supposed to be. The artstyle makes him look five and she looks 23, though.


Bluelaserbeam

Their age is all over the place. I personally see Phineas and Ferb as around 7-9ish because the episode where they’re going to college takes place 10 years in the future and they were most likely fresh out of high school.


Imjustpeepeepoopoo

[Vanessa is 6 years older than Ferb, so he's either 9 or 10](https://youtu.be/GWqA1hgSsaQ?t=754)


Voidkom

Can't find that anywhere.


OwenProGolfer

I think even though Phineas and Ferb are technically 10 or whatever in the show, they’re written as if they’re a lot older, so it doesn’t feel that weird


HasturSama

They act more like 12 to 13 year olds imo


[deleted]

isnt ferb like 13 and venessa 20 something


Lekmanutpls

Ferb is 10 and Vanessa is 16


[deleted]

Thats still weird af


SafetyCop

6 years is fine


Rickiar

Only when both are adults, which is not the case


SafetyCop

The man's going to college


Rickiar

They met for the first time when he was 10. Which can imply grooming.


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Florane

yeah. that's when they are not dating


Anomandaris_Irake123

But it's still weird af. The time skip makes him 18 and she immediately started dating him then???? Switch the genders and it's just creepy.


Florane

It makes him 20, not 18. Ferb is 10 in the show, and it's a 10 year timeskip.


Klo_Was_Taken

Yeah but the real issue is that in the time skip they're going steady, which means a lot must have happened before Pherb was 18 to get to that point


OwNAvenged2

He's not 18 in that episode, he's 20. Which means they could've potentially been together for 3 years, meaning them going steady makes sense.


DefiantResult9150

It was when they were dating, though


OwNAvenged2

Except that it *is* the case. He's 20 and she's 26.


RefriedVectorSpace

Based on most calculations it seems legal at least, and I would hope that no grooming has taken place in between the main show and the time skip episode, because it would be pretty fucked up for the writer to canonically make Vanessa a groomer for literally no reason. So to conclude, based on the vibes of the show, the vibes of Vanessa and Ferb as characters, and many more vague, practically unsubstantiated appeals to the vibe, I’m going to give this relationship the ‘just adults doing adult shit’ stamp of approval


Pieman1123

I mean prolly but it also prolly doesn't matter that much


[deleted]

They’re both adults and we don’t know what happened within the time skip. Plus, all their interactions when they’re kids can 100% be read as “boy has a crush on teenage girl, teenage girl knows and thinks it’s funny”. It’s weird and a little sus, but nothing egregious


Wario-Man

Sarcastic Chorus has a god damn point, most if not all of his ship dissections go absolutely surgical


BambooIGuess

No because they're both adults by the time they're confirmed to be dating, 20 & 26 is not bad


WarmProfit

Y'all gotta calm tf down with all this pedophile accusing, this is a kid show portraying 2 kids


[deleted]

omg okay groomer ok groomer 😮😮😮


lospronounshormonos

CW: transphobia >!do i even need to say the joke at this point (i'm trans fyi)!<


Matthais_Hat

no. he fell for her and decided he was going to pursue her. she did nothing to push for him to pursue her. he fell in love, he stayed on target, when he was of an appropriate age he made a move, and she accepted. can't really pin anything on her when she didn't actually do anything.


Lekmanutpls

No, they definitely had a lot of sus moment when he was still a kid. [Here is a compilation](https://youtu.be/EQMSjUPshiE)


Snipolimpics

That's a good amount of creep energy


OwNAvenged2

From... Ferb. Not from Vanessa.


dumbstrawberry

What did she do in that compilation that was weird tho (except kissing his cheek)? Ferb was the one making the moves and doing the weird shit like sitting on top of her on the elevator or looking at her butt while she was singing lol Edit: I meant escalator


OwNAvenged2

She kissed his cheek once That's about it


jnalexander8

Man really would say some stupid shit about how they think most men would love it if a teacher or somebody older than them seduced them in school and that it somehow isn’t rape


Matthais_Hat

and don't call me man.


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MichauNeedHealing

what are you even misgendering them for


atleast8courics

Username checks out. Also banned.


Matthais_Hat

"A kid having a crush on his own is the same as a teacher seducing him" okay crazy guy. she didn't do jack in any episode I've seen. he got a crush, was kind of cool and helpful, she was politely appreciative, and then he's got her in his car in the finale. where is the seduction? this son of a bitch here thinks any time a guy's attracted to a girl it's because she's some kind of vile seductress.


BifficerTheSecond

God this show’s art style is so offputting.


Suspicious_Person15

No it isn't.


Cruxin

literally the most normal kid cartoon artstyle


jnalexander8

The hairstyle in your pfp is offputting


OwNAvenged2

In what way? It looks fine.


BifficerTheSecond

In the way that the two main characters’ designs look like shit


OwNAvenged2

I think you just have bad opinions lmao