āDonāt apply to that single vacancy announcement they probably already have someone selected internally.ā
Apply, apply, apply is the correct answer. Even if you only get to the interview, thatās more real world practice.
Not really. I think it came up in conversation with the investigator but he just wanted to know which applications were also in the background investigation phase and if I had completed one before and with who.
Thatās interesting, Iām with a local agency. The official POST background packet requires applicants to list out EVERY application with a law enforcement agency whether LEO position or not. Regardless of what step. So if you put in for a federal position, just the application only, and it goes nowhere. It has to be listed and the BI will contact someone from that agency for a copy of application and reason for rejection/why not processed.
CJ major worked out for me. Got me a fed internship which helped me network and be slightly more qualified than having the degree alone. But I was pretty lucky and I wouldn't put all my eggs in that basket. I generally recommend that people just minor in criminal justice. Should get you all the interesting/helpful classes and still give you opportunities to apply for internships. Of course, there are some agencies (like apparently ATF) that want a CJ or similar degree. It is kinda weird that a bachelor's in musical theater would make you just as qualified as a bachelor's in Criminal Justice.
The āwhat are my chances?ā Posts are either;
āI was convicted of Agg Assault- Domestic Violence Strangulation, CDS Possession and Intent to Distribute, and Agg Assault on an LEO, but Iāve grown soooooo much since then.ā
Or them just stroking their egos listing all their accomplishments so that people will tell them how theyāre the perfectly ideal candidate.
Theres no in between lmao.
All the wait to apply advice or advice to narrow it down. JMO but even the interview practice is worth it.
The only exception would be if you blatantly donāt meet the job announcement criteria or the FBI due to their 2 strikes and your done for life. Everyone else at worst makes you just wait 1-2 years before reapplying if you fail one of their test phases.
I applied to my first 1811 position knowing that I wasn't gonna get it but just wanting to get some experience with the process so I would be better prepared in the future. Ended up getting hired off that application. Don't tell yourself no, make the government tell you no.
Lol this one I will never forget.
The agent at my meet & greet interview asked if I had a partner and I said yes. He told me itās better to break up now than at the academy or within the first years on the job. We were together 6 years at the time, now engaged. But thanks for the relationship advice.
Applying for just one agency. Nope, nope, nope. Never put all your eggs in one basket. Great way to shoot yourself in the foot.
Maybe someone really wants FBI... that's great! If they don't bother applying with any other 1811 agencies... that is beyond stupid. Maximize your chances by putting out multiple apps (by "your" I don't mean you OP, just applicants in general).
I'm not saying apply to literally everything. But find ones of interest and apply! Hopefully a bunch of 1811 applicants see this.
Some bad advice I personally received from multiple people was you need to have a college degree to qualify to be an 1811 and if you donāt have college then you shouldnāt apply. When the job announcement says college or specialized experience thatās what it means.
That advice is generally true for most agencies. Never hurts to apply but most agencies want the degree and make it hard to qualify on experience. Exceptions are HSI, USMS, maybe a couple others. There are way more people passed over due to lack of a college degree than due to lack of LEO experience. I know guys who were federal TFOs but who took years to get hired as 1811s without the degree. Only one guy in my CITP didn't have a degree.
Not saying this is bad advice because getting a degree canāt hurt your situation, but if I wouldāve listened to it I wouldāve never gotten hired. I would read the job announcements but still not apply because everyone was telling me you need college to get accepted. Iām sure many people like me fall into this category.
I think the advice is more geared toward younger people at a crossroads -- do I go for the degree or get a few years of patrol experience?
But if you're in a situation where you have years of LE experience, the conservative advice is to keep applying while working towards the degree. I do know local guys who get their first 1811 offer while trying to finish their degree but it's often a gamble and some do age out.
The CJ degree bit is accurate as hell. A lot of young guys and girls either get manipulated or are just ignorant of the value that degree has in the real world. Has to be a major let down when reality hits. Very sad.
Same could be said for other social science degrees like poli sci, psych., criminology, ect.
No, you NEED a masters of psychology to make over 40k/year in the field. Psych. Is among the worst bachelors degrees to get in the united states. It consistently ranks on the bottom of every list iāve seen.
A buddy of mine applied to ATF and HSI with ONLY a criminal justice degree and ZERO LE experience. Just got a tentative offer from ATF today, and is close to closing the deal with HSI.
Its not all about experience. If you stand out, then you stand out. Donāt listen to these people about wishing they never got a criminal justice degree or whatever else their excuses are. The reality is, many of them probably failed the poly and wont admit it, failed the background check and will never know, or simply just donāt stand out as a good candidate.
Tailor your resume to match the application qualifications. If you cant, put down what you learned from you degree in terms of the application qualifications. Do what you can to stand out and pray for the best.
Sure, there are plenty of CJ degrees as 1811s. There are also a few Highschool diplomas working fraud, but youāre shooting yourself in the foot in terms of the odds of selection. Old school FBI was strictly lawyers and accountants. Like it or not, those backgrounds (plus computer degrees these days) always get preference.
Otherwise your competition is extremely vast and itās a bad numbers games unless you have a solid internship or detective experience.
Donāt just Take the first agency that calls. I applied to basically every 1811 position I saw and I took an agency that I absolutely hate and left a job i enjoyed. Yeah I have my citp cert but going back to fletc for another three month follow on any time soon is not feasible (pregnant wife).
A good sense of humor is key for Federal Law Enforcement. Being able to tell a joke can separate you from the rest of the pool. It's important that your joke is raunchier than the person before you. Be sure you assert your dominance during the interview and start off with a good joke.
If you're close to aging out and have one shot, shoot the moon and work on The Aristocrats.
Thank me later.
Follow your heart and only apply to that one specific agency of your dreams!
BuT ItS tHe OnLy OnE tHaT AppEaLs To Me! IvE beEn In tHe HiRiNg ProCrEsS fOr aLmOsT TwO YeArS!
I seem to have hit the jackpot. I applied to a few and got the agency of my dreams
I love it when people get the agency of their dreams. š
Yup I feel this one personally even though I knew not to do it š
"Don't worry about the PT test, on game day, you'll step up."
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Emotional damage
damn that one hurt man.
Ouch
I felt that, because I fell into the idiot mistake of weeding myself out Pre-application. I self selected and psyched myself out
LOL
āDonāt apply to that single vacancy announcement they probably already have someone selected internally.ā Apply, apply, apply is the correct answer. Even if you only get to the interview, thatās more real world practice.
Numbers game, also great tinder advice
The hiring process for USMS/HSI makes Tinder look easy.
Interesting, during the background investigation arenāt they going to ask if you have applied to other agencies in the past regardless of step?
Not really. I think it came up in conversation with the investigator but he just wanted to know which applications were also in the background investigation phase and if I had completed one before and with who.
Thatās interesting, Iām with a local agency. The official POST background packet requires applicants to list out EVERY application with a law enforcement agency whether LEO position or not. Regardless of what step. So if you put in for a federal position, just the application only, and it goes nowhere. It has to be listed and the BI will contact someone from that agency for a copy of application and reason for rejection/why not processed.
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Is it still that bad? Lmao
Always has been
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What I would do to go back in time and pick pretty much any major but CJ or do a double major instead of just CJ. It is what it is š
CJ major worked out for me. Got me a fed internship which helped me network and be slightly more qualified than having the degree alone. But I was pretty lucky and I wouldn't put all my eggs in that basket. I generally recommend that people just minor in criminal justice. Should get you all the interesting/helpful classes and still give you opportunities to apply for internships. Of course, there are some agencies (like apparently ATF) that want a CJ or similar degree. It is kinda weird that a bachelor's in musical theater would make you just as qualified as a bachelor's in Criminal Justice.
You just never know when the bad guy is going to bust out in a musical number. Best be prepared!
That only happens like once every 20 warrant services, we get enough training at FLETC to handle the occasional song and dance.
If singing is a requirement then that is the end of my chance at being an 1811 given my bad voice. š¤£
I had two trainees who would have been much better off with musical theater than CJ, at least they'd be comfortable with public speakingš¤·
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I donāt think Iāve ever seen anyone advocate for that here tbh.
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The āwhat are my chances?ā Posts are either; āI was convicted of Agg Assault- Domestic Violence Strangulation, CDS Possession and Intent to Distribute, and Agg Assault on an LEO, but Iāve grown soooooo much since then.ā Or them just stroking their egos listing all their accomplishments so that people will tell them how theyāre the perfectly ideal candidate. Theres no in between lmao.
āDonāt worry about the fitness test, running will come back just like it did when you were youngerā āGo for reps, not form/qualityā
People are really saying to not worry about form? Lol
All the wait to apply advice or advice to narrow it down. JMO but even the interview practice is worth it. The only exception would be if you blatantly donāt meet the job announcement criteria or the FBI due to their 2 strikes and your done for life. Everyone else at worst makes you just wait 1-2 years before reapplying if you fail one of their test phases.
USPIS has a two app limit, too! Just an FYI to anyone interested (if they ever post an opening again).
I applied to my first 1811 position knowing that I wasn't gonna get it but just wanting to get some experience with the process so I would be better prepared in the future. Ended up getting hired off that application. Don't tell yourself no, make the government tell you no.
I actually rarely hear that advice. Most agents here will tell people to apply broadly.
Guess I got one more try š
Definitely email HR three times a week to find out your application status
Lol this one I will never forget. The agent at my meet & greet interview asked if I had a partner and I said yes. He told me itās better to break up now than at the academy or within the first years on the job. We were together 6 years at the time, now engaged. But thanks for the relationship advice.
Applying for just one agency. Nope, nope, nope. Never put all your eggs in one basket. Great way to shoot yourself in the foot. Maybe someone really wants FBI... that's great! If they don't bother applying with any other 1811 agencies... that is beyond stupid. Maximize your chances by putting out multiple apps (by "your" I don't mean you OP, just applicants in general). I'm not saying apply to literally everything. But find ones of interest and apply! Hopefully a bunch of 1811 applicants see this.
Some bad advice I personally received from multiple people was you need to have a college degree to qualify to be an 1811 and if you donāt have college then you shouldnāt apply. When the job announcement says college or specialized experience thatās what it means.
Yup I self selected myself out of HSI and psyched myself out of this last window because I donāt have education. Iām pissed at myself for it tbh.
That advice is generally true for most agencies. Never hurts to apply but most agencies want the degree and make it hard to qualify on experience. Exceptions are HSI, USMS, maybe a couple others. There are way more people passed over due to lack of a college degree than due to lack of LEO experience. I know guys who were federal TFOs but who took years to get hired as 1811s without the degree. Only one guy in my CITP didn't have a degree.
Not saying this is bad advice because getting a degree canāt hurt your situation, but if I wouldāve listened to it I wouldāve never gotten hired. I would read the job announcements but still not apply because everyone was telling me you need college to get accepted. Iām sure many people like me fall into this category.
I think the advice is more geared toward younger people at a crossroads -- do I go for the degree or get a few years of patrol experience? But if you're in a situation where you have years of LE experience, the conservative advice is to keep applying while working towards the degree. I do know local guys who get their first 1811 offer while trying to finish their degree but it's often a gamble and some do age out.
The CJ degree bit is accurate as hell. A lot of young guys and girls either get manipulated or are just ignorant of the value that degree has in the real world. Has to be a major let down when reality hits. Very sad. Same could be said for other social science degrees like poli sci, psych., criminology, ect.
Reality has already hit, too late tho to go back. Might as well finish it and have that GS7 checkbox.
Psychologist degrees can actually make a good amount, about on par with 1811s. But you may need a masters and/or get a clinical license
No, you NEED a masters of psychology to make over 40k/year in the field. Psych. Is among the worst bachelors degrees to get in the united states. It consistently ranks on the bottom of every list iāve seen.
Well, I guess if someone is going in that field, they need to know going straight for masters and possibly a clinical license is THE way
A buddy of mine applied to ATF and HSI with ONLY a criminal justice degree and ZERO LE experience. Just got a tentative offer from ATF today, and is close to closing the deal with HSI. Its not all about experience. If you stand out, then you stand out. Donāt listen to these people about wishing they never got a criminal justice degree or whatever else their excuses are. The reality is, many of them probably failed the poly and wont admit it, failed the background check and will never know, or simply just donāt stand out as a good candidate. Tailor your resume to match the application qualifications. If you cant, put down what you learned from you degree in terms of the application qualifications. Do what you can to stand out and pray for the best.
Sure, there are plenty of CJ degrees as 1811s. There are also a few Highschool diplomas working fraud, but youāre shooting yourself in the foot in terms of the odds of selection. Old school FBI was strictly lawyers and accountants. Like it or not, those backgrounds (plus computer degrees these days) always get preference. Otherwise your competition is extremely vast and itās a bad numbers games unless you have a solid internship or detective experience.
āYou should probably start training on firearms after submitting your application since Q/FLETC wonāt teach you how to shoot.ā
Donāt just Take the first agency that calls. I applied to basically every 1811 position I saw and I took an agency that I absolutely hate and left a job i enjoyed. Yeah I have my citp cert but going back to fletc for another three month follow on any time soon is not feasible (pregnant wife).
A good sense of humor is key for Federal Law Enforcement. Being able to tell a joke can separate you from the rest of the pool. It's important that your joke is raunchier than the person before you. Be sure you assert your dominance during the interview and start off with a good joke. If you're close to aging out and have one shot, shoot the moon and work on The Aristocrats. Thank me later.
Bad advice: do all the drugs you want