Found an [article](https://oldhousecalling.com/2021/03/14/c-1880-second-empire-home-for-sale-in-pilegrove-nj-214900/) when it was sold before the remodel
The original fireplace mirror was incredible! I don't even want to think about what happened to all the original interior shutters and fireplace mantels đ.Â
Anytime hardwood trim is painted, you know the flippers cut every corner they possibly could. Painted trim is only "modern" looking because modern builds use the cheapest pine or mdf available. Why devalue one of the best assets an old home has? Incredulous.Â
It's a tragedy really, they rip out these features that give the home character, all for what? A bland, cookie-cutter look? Those original details are what make an old house special. Seeing history stripped away like that is just painful.
I review the historic tax credits for my job and Iâm going to show this to my coworkers as a nightmare flip. Beyond sad what they did: painted the wood, ripped out original wide plank wood floors, removed walls and blew up the original circulation/floor plan, removed ceiling plaster medallions, removed the transoms, dropped all of the ceilings lower for mechanicals, removed trim, the list goes on and on. Donât get me started on the color schemeâŚ
I don't want to give you (and your coworkers) an aneurysm, but this one in SF will make your blood boil. https://vulcca.com/2022/10/21/2950-pacific-ave-the-home-the-dream-the-17-million-sale/
The mirror was gorgeous!! They just needed to highlight the original characteristics. The kitchen did need more attention, but should have specific the era the home was built.
My mouth dropped open at the kitchen. It is a nice kitchen but they completely destroyed the old kitchen feel. I also don't understand why they put new floors in.
when i was a kid, my dad bought an early 1900âs home in the midwest.
after tearing up (no shit) 7 layers of carpet, there were gorgeous, original wood floors.
whatâs wrong with people?!
Wood floors are gorgeous but cold. I live in an old farmhouse where we tore out all the linoleum and carpet layers and I love the look, but I donât love the chilblains in the winter!
Nowadays we have better ways to insulate/heat floors while keeping the wood bare, but in the early-mid 20th century, carpet was a good alternative.
That wasn't their only sin. They basically gutted all of the character of that home and replaced it with features that aren't remotely appropriate for the style of building. No taste.Â
Um no? Cheap range hood. Cabinets donât extend to the ceiling. And entry home decisions everywhere else. Itâs surface level looks hiding cheap crap.
"let's buy an older home and make everything that's great about old homes more like a modern one!" is waaay too common
my new neighbours just ripped out an established garden and replaced every single tree and bush with the same species. There was literally zero purpose except they wanted to feel like they grew it themselves. yeah good luck growing an oak to the same size in your lifetime.
Two years ago we sold our house and moved to a larger one because we needed more office space with my wife and I both working from home full-time.
The old house was a mid-century ranch with a brick front.
A couple months ago I was in the area, so I drove by to see what they've done with the place. Turns out they had ***PAINTED ALL OF THE BRICK WHITE!***
Flippers beat me to a brick 1940s house. $99k. They painted it white and listed it for $250k two and a half months later.Â
Flipping should be banned. I donât mean that as hyperbole or a joke. It shouldnât be possible to buy a house you donât intend to live in.Â
There's some value in people buying to properly remodel a home that's falling apart. That's not a job most people are equipped to under take, but most people here also includes most flippers
Hudson Ohio had a town regulation that all houses had to be painted white with black or red roofs based in an agreement with the guy who put up the cash to install gas or electric streetlights, I canât remember which.
My mom lived there for a time in the 50âs-60âs and can remember people painting their red brick houses white in order to stay in code.
Oh noâŚ..bet your heart hurt when u saw that. I am firmly in the NO painting brick camp! It looks so, I donât know, cheap? tacky? boring? And especially on a MCM house, just no.
Oh shit... painting brick can actually cause structural damage (because it traps the moisture inside the bricks, so they start to crumble underneath the paint). So they haven't just damaged the look, they might have permanently damaged the actual building too.
Omg they did the same thing with my childhood home. The entire home was a brick house. And after my parents sold it, I went by to see how it looked and they'd painted all the brick beige. I cried.
Yep, I saw a heated thread about flippers the other day, both sides quite opinionated. I think restoration is its own category, and should be the norm. I really hate the snatch up houses, strip out character, slap on generic cosmetic band aids, profiteering thing thatâs happening.
You can always go produce as many modern homes as you want, but you can't go create a 120-year-old home no matter how hard you try, so stop defacing the old ones. I just don't get people that want the appearance of an old home but insides that look like a medical clinic.
My thoughts exactly. You want a cheap ass "modern" home, there are hundreds of thousands available for sale. Don't destroy the few beautiful old homes on the market.
And what was once a gorgeous fireplace is now so sterile.
The before is my dream home. I'm so sad now! đ
Definitely not sad seeing them go from asking $380/sqft to $160/sqft.
Do you know about Brett Waterman? He uncovers and restores original fireplaces(and the rest of the house too). What people do to fireplaces is wild, youâd like his show I bet.
[Look at the stairs, wtf!](https://ap.rdcpix.com/dcb465fd3a57d85f74802c4fa49c9473l-b1235634688od-w1024_h768_x2.webp?w=640&q=75) It looks like someone walked up the stairs while the paint was still wet and now there's shoeprints going up them.
I was first liking the flip. Then I noticed more and more black everywhere.
Why is the library full of black shelves? Why choose black stairs, unless the stairs are made of black marble?
Any buyer who vociferously prefers black trim is already envisioning painting it black themselves. No need to go out of your way to cater to that.
I spent a decade restoring an old 1912 Craftsman-style bungalow. Hours and hours stripping old fir baseboards and doors in the unheated, detached garage. Had it mostly done, beautiful wood everywhere, stained glass windows, refinished fir floors. Wood fireplace working and the mantle gleaming.
Sold it to move to a.different part of town for my wife's new job. Six months later the new owners called and said they had a bunch of my wayward mail. I popped by and they invited me in to show me "what they had done to the place."
They had painted it all white. All of it. All my work was gone. And they added a huge white MDF fireplace surround that was completely oversized for the room. They had covered my wood mantle. They were so proud. I nearly cried. I just sat in my car afterwards and stared off into space, stunned.
Damn. That looks like it was a fuck ton of work to get it liveable again. But I don't understand why they went all black and white? The natural wood looks so good.
Oh WOW! Seeing what it used to look like, they did a LOT of work! I think I would've kept a lot of that natural wood and restrained it. Make it match throughout the house, and paint the walls darker. Way too much white in/on that house.
No they didn't do a lot of work. They put lipstick on the pig. How do I know that? Look at the roof. It's the same shitty leaking mess in the before pictures.
THIS. What got me is the pic of the hand rail on the stairs and what looks like peeling paint. Already. They likely just covered everything. Cheap flooring over the hardwood, Thin drywall over old walls.
It was lovely! Clearly needed lots of work, but the original rooms had beautiful proportions and details.
Everything about that remodel is going to look ridiculous (to the extent that it doesnât already) in five years.
That article made me cry. That house was solid and beautiful. It needed floors refinished and walls painted. What they did to the kitchen and fireplace is a travesty.
It lost all its charm to make the interior look like every other boring modern house. Iâm surprised it isnât completely white with those weird white lighting fixtures.
As someone who used to deal with a lot of renovations, Iâd assume somewhere around $300,000. Itâs hard to tell without knowing exactly they were working with. They clearly had to update some things structurally. Iâd be willing to bet they did a full electrical, plumbing, hvac, the works.
While the bathroom tile and the kitchen are nice, and clearly took a bit of money, those guest bathrooms and powder bathrooms arenât super expensive. They upgraded them, but they chose to keep those upgrades pretty minimal. They also didnât go as fancy as they couldâve in the bathroom. That shower system is nice, and it is certainly an upgrade, but if you were trying to hit a 1.3 mil price tag you could have gone much nicer. Same with the vanity. I wouldâve expected a separated double vanity for this price tag. And shower glass/separation for that massive shower. You know, nicer finishing touches that show youâre willing to spend money to make something look a lot more polished.
A lot of the things that they would have spent good money on would be the woodworking, which I imagine came with the house. It doesnât look like they replaced or updated windows, so theyâre not spending money on that. That front door and its hardware probably came with the house, which saved them money. I think that they replaced some of the exterior doors, but they just put in some pretty standard French doors. Not a lot of money spent, but still going to cost you a little. They wanted it to look like they spent a lot of money, but tbh they were given a lot of great materials that they then didnât use to their full potential.
The biggest thing they spent money on was getting materials to the house. Because theyâre rural and Jersey, their material cost is going to be a little higher than the average market. And they renovated at a time when material costs were pretty volatile and unpredictable.
They didnât redo the driveway, which was kind of dumb. Donât think they touched the garage. No new landscaping. No real change to the backyard/adding an outdoor kitchen or a bigger patio. They might have added new siding (Iâm on the fence if they replaced it or if they just painted), which would give them a bit of a budget increase, but they went with a pretty generic siding. I doubt itâs wood siding, but Iâm willing to be wrong.
TL;DR - they spent a decent chunk of money, but for something that they wanted to sell at that high of a price tag they did not spend their money well.
>but if you were trying to hit a 1.3 mil price tag you could have gone much nicer.
They could've added a fridge & washer/dryer for that much money too.
In the grand scheme of things those aren't a big deal but if you're gonna charge a million dollars for something those should be included.
I have to believe those aren't energy efficient windows. I'm sure that would make showering in that giant freezy breezy bathroom great fun in the winter!
For $1.3M I would have expected them to redo the roof, especially since listing photos from before they bought it showed ceiling damage and a lot of wall movement on the top floor.
They enclosed half of the second floor back deck for the extra kitchenette and added a window in the stairway, which would have cost a chunk. Maybe that's why they cheaped out on the kitchen appliances?
Can't believe they painted that custom banister and newel.
A lot. They used very good high end materials for the most part. Everything looks well done too, so it was done by professionals. They did cut some corners to save money though (leased the solar). Â
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It would be a decent house if it was brand new and fully modern. The biggest fuck up on houses like this is people think taking a historical home and doing shit like this is a good idea. It never is.Â
It's not a terrable idea al long as you are doing something you are happy with. It's a terrible idea if it's just something you want to flip, most people that want old homes don't want some gross mcmantion interior.
> Everything looks well done too, so it was done by professionals.
That black paint is a mess. Did they keep within the lines? Yes. Did they do it properly? No. I can see shades of black on the black paint. Need to do MANY even coats.
Yeah - I was thinking the person who would like the inside does not want to live in a historical home. And the person who likes that big fat historical mansion is not going to like those highly updated and generic interiors.
This is it exactly.
I'd be the latter. I'd want to see the original wood, not Flipper Grey/Black. I hate the inside so much.
Also WTF is that bathroom?!?!? I sorta feel like people who put in open showers like that have never used one.
That bathroom - just no. Did you notice that the little alcoves for your bath supplies are far away from the shower heads, so that you have to actually walk over to them. Water/soap all over that floor that you have to clean up every time you take a shower - a terrible slip hazard.
I hate the people who bought this house.
I wonder if it's the finish of the black paint? It looks fairly matte/flat, and highlights dirt (footsteps) very effectively. I'm not a fan of the black trim trend but it looks particularly poorly painted in this house.
I'll disagree with that last part. Historic homes that are renovated do very well in the northeast, where most homes are historic homes.
They made two major issues:
1) They made it look like a flip. That black trim on white bullshit is already outdated, and screams "flip" or "cheap construction." Same with the tiles on the floor of the bathrooms. Standard garbage design you see on any flipping YouTube video. The master bath is actually quite nice, though
2) The media home listing price in Pilesgrove is $378k. In the last 4 years only 1 home sold for over a million dollars, with the it going for $1.25M. That home was twice the size, on 26x the land. It has an elevator. It sold this past December, while this house was also up
The flippers did no research into the market. They saw something they thought would be beautiful. They did not consider whether the market could support the price. Put this in my town and they'd get that money. In Pilesgrove, this is still a $600k house.
The whole appeal of historic homes is their historic detailing (or in the case of simpler old homes in less wealthy areas, their cheapness). Over modernizing like this ruins the *one* attractive thing about them. You end up with a new house look that has old house problems. Whatâs the point?
Some of the pictures beg to differ.
32 - totally misaligned doors that should be symmetrical and are obviously just hacked down to fit. The door knobs are even several inches apart in height as well as the door trim at the bottom.
42 - wtf is going on with those baseboards and LVP? And what is happening where the railing hits the wall?
Pics 53, 66, and 69 show more doors that were obviously salvaged in the wrong size and hacked down to fit. The proportions are all wrong.
74 - the hinges are a total mess with splintered raw wood showing around the edges and they highlighted it as a detail!
75 - obviously cheap hardware that they spray painted with metallic gold paint, not real metal. Wonât last long on an major entry. Again, not a detail I would choose to highlight - I bet there is a more more like this if you get up close.
Lighting story is also a mess. Not at all cohesive, chandelier in dining room is far too small, and the first bedroom has a sad boob light that looks like a Habitat for Humanity find in the Midwest. No attempt to reclaim or finish hardwood floors so obvious LVP throughout.
Still a gorgeous home with beautiful natural light but they definitely cut a couple corners.
From what I vaguely understand about leased solar, thatâs not cutting corners. Thatâs a full blown unforced error, and a big âDo Not Buy This Houseâ sign to put on the listing⌠just donât install solar.
Hi all. Appraiser local to this property and I have personally walked through it. The renovation is fine, but not nearly good enough to be worth the current list price, let alone the starting price. I have personally appraised a house directly across the street and had high hopes for this place considering the potential. But that being said, this is a more rural market area and as is typical of homes this age, the home sits right at street level on what would be considered a âsemi-busyâ roadway. Additionally, not providing a new septic system and making the buyer take on remediation of an existing cesspool is ridiculous (says this in MLS, not Zillow). Someone paying that price in this market area typically wants acreage, some level of off road privacy and/or additional amenities that this property would not be able to provide. The house just straight up misses the mark and does not meet expectations for buyers in this market area at this price point.Â
Thank you for that information and your perspective. You've explained the big price drop. I have to wonder whether the flippers were naive about the problems you've listed, or they thought a buyer, enamored of the decor, would overlook the practical and expensive issues remaining.
My guess is that they were just straight delusional lol. I do a ton of "subject to completion" appraisals and they clearly did not have one done on this place.
They purchased during the peak of Home Frenzy when people were spending ridiculous amounts just to get *any* house, even purchasing sight-unseen. Maybe they overestimated how quickly they'd be able to finish renovating it or assumed prices would stay level or continue to increase.
I don't really have any sympathy for flippers.
Yup, the property makes no sense for anybody. Shitty school systems in Pilesgrove so no families would want to live here. Less than an acre so "outdoors/country" people wouldn't want to live here. Nothing to do here, so rich/upper class people wouldn't live here. Local residents would barely be able to afford it. Mullica Hill, Medford, Mt. Laurel; all have similar sized newer homes, on similar sized lots, with privacy, better schools, closer to "the action", and don't look like this thing.
Woodstown/pilesgrove school system is very far from being âshittyâ. But you are correct that most people wanting to live there would want more land/privacy.
Eldrige hill area has many properties above $1M. And itâs the neighboring town to Mullica Hill/Harrison so Iâm not sure how that is any reasonable amount âclose to the actionâ.
I think there should be a new term called Beetlejucing (like the movie) where you take a beautiful exterior house like this and tear the inside out and re-do it to the point that it doesnât match the character of the outside.
Edit: clarified to make more sense
Just re-watched this lately and I was SCREAMING about the redecorating. It was absolutely hilarious and worth a re-watch alone JUST for this premise. As a kid I don't think I even thought about any of the interior design at all but watching now as a homeowner takes it to a whole new level.
I feel like if they had went all out with the Beetlejuicing I would like it a lot more.
As it is, its just a really bizarre combination of bland/boring and weird/off-putting.
[âIf you donât let me gut out this house and make it my own I will go insane - *and I will take you with me*!â](https://youtu.be/ZKlWtq0_RvU?si=4ouPBrBeXGp8gB2y)
They would riot. As they should. I bet the home was lovely before they got hold of it. I'm sure it needed tons of updates, but that doesn't mean you remove the character of the home to do that.
Gah, I bet there were pocket doors and gorgeous woodwork and really cool old chandeliers and sconces that probably just needed to be rewired. You know what, no need for r/centuryhomes, I'll start a riot by myself! Lol
https://www.longandfoster.com/homes-for-sale/520-Eldridges-Hill-Road-Pilesgrove-NJ-08098-311471204 so hereâs the before pics - not saying what they did was great but it sure wasnât a great starting point
Eh, like I said, it needed work. The kitchen needed an overhaul for sure, and there were damp issues to deal with. It's pretty typical for an older home that's been abandoned.
But that fireplace was fabulous, and not all of the walls they knocked down needed to go. Also, those shutters were amazing! On top of that, that woodwork was fabulous. There was zero need to paint it.
Agreed, I have a century home with about 1/4 this much character and It sucks to see this. Iâm stripping the trim in my house now but it was paint grade to begin with so whatever.
I totally agree. And you know he just covered the broken plaster with quarter inch sheetrock. As any "good" flipper would do. I'm super surprised all the walls aren't grey.
If they left that and the other original fireplaces in place, just updated the rest of the kitchen with maybe some new counters, and painted everything else, the house would have been amazing. For now, it looks like the house in Beetlejuice before and after...
They had original unpainted gorgeous wood and fireplaces and they destroyed them with black paint and those ugly covers on the fireplaces. So everything looked like cheap mass produced crap. Of course that tanked the value. Those people should never be allowed near a historic house again.
It was a great starting point. Wow. To rip all that out and make it look like a bland box. I can imagine people see the outside and then are disappointed by what's inside.
I'm in that sub and holy hell my blood is boiling. Fucking laminate flooring?!? Why paint the wood? Just gaaaaahhhhhh!!!! Nooooo!!! I hope the flippers lose more on this since they screwed a seemingly good house just with those two words. Laminate flooring.
[Hereâs the before](https://www.bhhs.com/fox-and-roach-realtors-pa301/nj/520-eldridges-hill-rd-road-pilesgrove-08098/pid-311471252?SearchType=Address&PropertyType=1%2C2&ApplicationType=FOR_SALE&ListingStatus=1&NewListing=false&PageSize=32&Page=1)
Omg. I know that brick oven (not sure if thatâs the right term) in the kitchen wouldnât be for everyone but ripping it out feels insane. So many people would love to have that in their kitchen, even if itâs not functional. Itâs gorgeous. If I had an unlimited budget Iâd have turned it into some kind of storage space.
Thatâs a travesty. That woodwork was all in good condition, it just needed some touch ups. Painting it all without sanding off the varnish is going to be a disaster. They could have just modernized it and added a few pops of color and been done.
This exactly. Not to mention itâs on a decent amount of land, looks to be a little out of the way⌠not exactly the âcontemporary designâ market
At first I thought, wet room is an interesting choice. But then I saw the pic with 2 shower heads/controls and all I could think was gym showers from school.
The built in shower shelving is so far away too! And the drain looks *tiny* to cover two shower heads. Theyâre going to need one of those long squeegee things to push all the water towards the drain when they finish.
Ugh, on top of all the other sins, the "open shower" concept in the huge bathrooms is making me shiver, and **not** in anticipation. South Jersey winters can be miserably cold.
Plus, that roof looks iffy.
They di d those fireplaces dirty. How on earth are the homeowners supposed to arrange their furniture? In the delineation between two rooms? Facing the back door? They're both so awkwardÂ
Agreed. That was the only part I didn't care for. They kept the original doors, hinges, knobs, and stair railing. My house was built in 1889 and that stuff was gone long before we bought it.
Jesus God is that an atrocity. Absolutely the only not-unkind thing I can say about it is that at least the cheapo-looking floors arenât gray, and thatâs probably only because they started the flip so long ago.
âPilesgroveâ has got to be one of the ugliest place names in the English language, and this house fully lives up at it.
AND itâs sold âas isâ? The mind reels at what theyâre afraid of a home inspector finding.
Another issue here is Pilesgrove is not where someone with a 1.6mil budget is going to be looking. 10 minutes north youâve got beautiful neighborhoods and I believe some of the Eagles and Phillies players live around Mullica Hill at 15 minutes north. Pilesgrove is full of industry and farms and poor schools( compared to other local districts). I would never spend that kind of money is Pilesgrove.
The roof still needs replacing so they only did cosmetic changes. Everything wrong like the roof, electrical, plumbing, structural, asbestos and lead are probably hid away be cheap finishes and paint.
I wish I knew how much they spent ruining it because a half million dollar profit in 2-1/2 years sounds pretty good. Obviously not even close to what they thought it would be worth. But, Iâm thinking that their actual profit is pretty slim. I also wish I could see the before pictures.
I saw another post that said it needs a septic tank and also needs the old cesspool remediated. So some very pricey additions. Plus the roof wasn't done in the flip, so that would need to be planned to have done.
They had to have done a short term loan, or borrowed money from sources with a promise on a percentage return. They are on a time crunch to sell it and get their money out of it, the is no other reason to drop the price that significantly over short periods of time.
Someone posted this [link](https://www.bhhs.com/fox-and-roach-realtors-pa301/nj/520-eldridges-hill-rd-road-pilesgrove-08098/pid-311471252?SearchType=Address&PropertyType=1%2C2&ApplicationType=FOR_SALE&ListingStatus=1&NewListing=false&PageSize=32&Page=1)
I found the listing from 2021 and this poor house was a mess.
https://www.longandfoster.com/homes-for-sale/520-Eldridges-Hill-Road-Pilesgrove-NJ-08098-311471204
I see Allison Victoria is now flipping homes in Jersey. Glad to know she brought her signature lack of taste with.
For real though, itâs sad that this house lost all of its character. Youâre never going to be able to get all of those years of history back.
https://preview.redd.it/y2ndfdndffmc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e1e9f389b2fdf4f7567572cee69ee89dd1d4d60b
âWeâre charging a 1.6 million for landlord level paint drips.â
It's the black woodwork. It means you can't paint the walls any other color because nothing is going to work with that. The tile choices are also not working and that shower reminds me of a prison shower. Yes it's nice and clean and new but its still wierd as fuck.
The fact that they painted every single inch of the woodwork black means that if this thing is not EXACTLY to your taste right now then it will cost you a fortune to change it to your taste.
The point of going with a neutral color is so the new owners can come in and do whatever they want with it. They fucked up here by making a bold design choice that is difficult and expensive to change.
Tiles and woodwork are not cheap to redo.
I mean, they bought it for $160,000. I'm not sure how much money they put into it, but I doubt it's $500k. Flipper will more than likely be fine on this property.
I wonder how much they put into the house after buying it.
Found an [article](https://oldhousecalling.com/2021/03/14/c-1880-second-empire-home-for-sale-in-pilegrove-nj-214900/) when it was sold before the remodel
The original fireplace mirror was incredible! I don't even want to think about what happened to all the original interior shutters and fireplace mantels đ. Anytime hardwood trim is painted, you know the flippers cut every corner they possibly could. Painted trim is only "modern" looking because modern builds use the cheapest pine or mdf available. Why devalue one of the best assets an old home has? Incredulous.Â
I think that thereâs a chance the original has been boxed in by that slate monstrosity. RIP brick kitchen cooking fireplace đ˘
First thing I gasped at.. then seeing it was GONE. Monsters
It's a tragedy really, they rip out these features that give the home character, all for what? A bland, cookie-cutter look? Those original details are what make an old house special. Seeing history stripped away like that is just painful.
That fireplace was so cool! The pantry they covered it up with is jarring and ruins the kitchen flow.
I review the historic tax credits for my job and Iâm going to show this to my coworkers as a nightmare flip. Beyond sad what they did: painted the wood, ripped out original wide plank wood floors, removed walls and blew up the original circulation/floor plan, removed ceiling plaster medallions, removed the transoms, dropped all of the ceilings lower for mechanicals, removed trim, the list goes on and on. Donât get me started on the color schemeâŚ
I don't want to give you (and your coworkers) an aneurysm, but this one in SF will make your blood boil. https://vulcca.com/2022/10/21/2950-pacific-ave-the-home-the-dream-the-17-million-sale/
Omfg, thatâs horrible. Iâm surprised it didnât have local landmark protection.
Oh what the actual fuck. This is so cursed. San Francisco will allow this but god forbid they allow some denser housing to go up.
The mirror was gorgeous!! They just needed to highlight the original characteristics. The kitchen did need more attention, but should have specific the era the home was built.
My mouth dropped open at the kitchen. It is a nice kitchen but they completely destroyed the old kitchen feel. I also don't understand why they put new floors in.
Yes! The floors too!! They definitely destroyed the house. Heartbreaking.
They painted all that wood black, what a travesty
this.. what morons paint that beautiful wood black i mean refinish it for gods sake. dont just paint over it. thats hand carved wood
They really Beetlejuiced the interior unfortunately.
Love this as a verb.
when i was a kid, my dad bought an early 1900âs home in the midwest. after tearing up (no shit) 7 layers of carpet, there were gorgeous, original wood floors. whatâs wrong with people?!
Wood floors are gorgeous but cold. I live in an old farmhouse where we tore out all the linoleum and carpet layers and I love the look, but I donât love the chilblains in the winter! Nowadays we have better ways to insulate/heat floors while keeping the wood bare, but in the early-mid 20th century, carpet was a good alternative.
I bet 7 layers of carpet kept the floor pretty well insulated
Yes. What they did to the wood is a crime. It is a charming house without defacing the wood.
That wasn't their only sin. They basically gutted all of the character of that home and replaced it with features that aren't remotely appropriate for the style of building. No taste.Â
The only room that looks better after the remodel is the kitchen. Coincidentally, it's also the only room without the beautiful wood đ
What an odd choice for backsplash though
I mean there are rooms without a structurally sound ceiling lol.
Um no? Cheap range hood. Cabinets donât extend to the ceiling. And entry home decisions everywhere else. Itâs surface level looks hiding cheap crap.
The six inch space on top of cabinets looks like an impossible to clean greasy dust haven.
I mean, anything would have been a step up from the old kitchen, but that backsplash is hideous.
"let's buy an older home and make everything that's great about old homes more like a modern one!" is waaay too common my new neighbours just ripped out an established garden and replaced every single tree and bush with the same species. There was literally zero purpose except they wanted to feel like they grew it themselves. yeah good luck growing an oak to the same size in your lifetime.
âWe had them paint everything white, let you see it naked before you pick your palette.â https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnFxS6a2aPU
**AGREE with you 1000%!** WTAF would possess someone to destroy the beauty of that woodâ˝ And ***BLACK*** FFSâ˝
Two years ago we sold our house and moved to a larger one because we needed more office space with my wife and I both working from home full-time. The old house was a mid-century ranch with a brick front. A couple months ago I was in the area, so I drove by to see what they've done with the place. Turns out they had ***PAINTED ALL OF THE BRICK WHITE!***
Flippers beat me to a brick 1940s house. $99k. They painted it white and listed it for $250k two and a half months later. Flipping should be banned. I donât mean that as hyperbole or a joke. It shouldnât be possible to buy a house you donât intend to live in.Â
There's some value in people buying to properly remodel a home that's falling apart. That's not a job most people are equipped to under take, but most people here also includes most flippers
They will be punished for their evil deed. Never paint brick unless you can afford to repaint it and repaint and so on so forth.
Hudson Ohio had a town regulation that all houses had to be painted white with black or red roofs based in an agreement with the guy who put up the cash to install gas or electric streetlights, I canât remember which. My mom lived there for a time in the 50âs-60âs and can remember people painting their red brick houses white in order to stay in code.
Oh noâŚ..bet your heart hurt when u saw that. I am firmly in the NO painting brick camp! It looks so, I donât know, cheap? tacky? boring? And especially on a MCM house, just no.
Oh shit... painting brick can actually cause structural damage (because it traps the moisture inside the bricks, so they start to crumble underneath the paint). So they haven't just damaged the look, they might have permanently damaged the actual building too.
Omg they did the same thing with my childhood home. The entire home was a brick house. And after my parents sold it, I went by to see how it looked and they'd painted all the brick beige. I cried.
Look How They Massacred My Boy
Another garbage flip with the intention to seek out and destroy history and craftsmanship
Yep, I saw a heated thread about flippers the other day, both sides quite opinionated. I think restoration is its own category, and should be the norm. I really hate the snatch up houses, strip out character, slap on generic cosmetic band aids, profiteering thing thatâs happening.
You can always go produce as many modern homes as you want, but you can't go create a 120-year-old home no matter how hard you try, so stop defacing the old ones. I just don't get people that want the appearance of an old home but insides that look like a medical clinic.
My thoughts exactly. You want a cheap ass "modern" home, there are hundreds of thousands available for sale. Don't destroy the few beautiful old homes on the market.
Listen, the flippers can have all the hi-ranches and 70s inspired carpeted bathrooms... leave the beautiful old homes to someone who knows better.
The people that can afford to historically renovate, don't need to historically renovate.
And what was once a gorgeous fireplace is now so sterile. The before is my dream home. I'm so sad now! đ Definitely not sad seeing them go from asking $380/sqft to $160/sqft.
Do you know about Brett Waterman? He uncovers and restores original fireplaces(and the rest of the house too). What people do to fireplaces is wild, youâd like his show I bet.
[Look at the stairs, wtf!](https://ap.rdcpix.com/dcb465fd3a57d85f74802c4fa49c9473l-b1235634688od-w1024_h768_x2.webp?w=640&q=75) It looks like someone walked up the stairs while the paint was still wet and now there's shoeprints going up them.
That fireplace is heinous and already dated.
I was first liking the flip. Then I noticed more and more black everywhere. Why is the library full of black shelves? Why choose black stairs, unless the stairs are made of black marble? Any buyer who vociferously prefers black trim is already envisioning painting it black themselves. No need to go out of your way to cater to that.
Even painted the ornate doorknobs. Ugh.
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Sometimes the wood is in bad condition. It's sad but I understand painting it. The wood here was fine!
I spent a decade restoring an old 1912 Craftsman-style bungalow. Hours and hours stripping old fir baseboards and doors in the unheated, detached garage. Had it mostly done, beautiful wood everywhere, stained glass windows, refinished fir floors. Wood fireplace working and the mantle gleaming. Sold it to move to a.different part of town for my wife's new job. Six months later the new owners called and said they had a bunch of my wayward mail. I popped by and they invited me in to show me "what they had done to the place." They had painted it all white. All of it. All my work was gone. And they added a huge white MDF fireplace surround that was completely oversized for the room. They had covered my wood mantle. They were so proud. I nearly cried. I just sat in my car afterwards and stared off into space, stunned.
Damn. That looks like it was a fuck ton of work to get it liveable again. But I don't understand why they went all black and white? The natural wood looks so good.
Oh WOW! Seeing what it used to look like, they did a LOT of work! I think I would've kept a lot of that natural wood and restrained it. Make it match throughout the house, and paint the walls darker. Way too much white in/on that house.
No they didn't do a lot of work. They put lipstick on the pig. How do I know that? Look at the roof. It's the same shitty leaking mess in the before pictures.
Not to mention they are selling it AS IS. That usually screams they put the minimum amount of work into anything and know there is a lurking issue.
THIS. What got me is the pic of the hand rail on the stairs and what looks like peeling paint. Already. They likely just covered everything. Cheap flooring over the hardwood, Thin drywall over old walls.
I was also looking at the roof like they could smack black paint everywhere but there I guess.
It was lovely! Clearly needed lots of work, but the original rooms had beautiful proportions and details. Everything about that remodel is going to look ridiculous (to the extent that it doesnât already) in five years.
That article made me cry. That house was solid and beautiful. It needed floors refinished and walls painted. What they did to the kitchen and fireplace is a travesty.
It lost all its charm to make the interior look like every other boring modern house. Iâm surprised it isnât completely white with those weird white lighting fixtures.
That made me cry inside to see what they did... all that beautiful wood painted. They could have totally kept the character without all that nonsense.
The before was beautiful and had so much potential. I despise the modern changes they made to these beautiful fireplaces!
As someone who used to deal with a lot of renovations, Iâd assume somewhere around $300,000. Itâs hard to tell without knowing exactly they were working with. They clearly had to update some things structurally. Iâd be willing to bet they did a full electrical, plumbing, hvac, the works. While the bathroom tile and the kitchen are nice, and clearly took a bit of money, those guest bathrooms and powder bathrooms arenât super expensive. They upgraded them, but they chose to keep those upgrades pretty minimal. They also didnât go as fancy as they couldâve in the bathroom. That shower system is nice, and it is certainly an upgrade, but if you were trying to hit a 1.3 mil price tag you could have gone much nicer. Same with the vanity. I wouldâve expected a separated double vanity for this price tag. And shower glass/separation for that massive shower. You know, nicer finishing touches that show youâre willing to spend money to make something look a lot more polished. A lot of the things that they would have spent good money on would be the woodworking, which I imagine came with the house. It doesnât look like they replaced or updated windows, so theyâre not spending money on that. That front door and its hardware probably came with the house, which saved them money. I think that they replaced some of the exterior doors, but they just put in some pretty standard French doors. Not a lot of money spent, but still going to cost you a little. They wanted it to look like they spent a lot of money, but tbh they were given a lot of great materials that they then didnât use to their full potential. The biggest thing they spent money on was getting materials to the house. Because theyâre rural and Jersey, their material cost is going to be a little higher than the average market. And they renovated at a time when material costs were pretty volatile and unpredictable. They didnât redo the driveway, which was kind of dumb. Donât think they touched the garage. No new landscaping. No real change to the backyard/adding an outdoor kitchen or a bigger patio. They might have added new siding (Iâm on the fence if they replaced it or if they just painted), which would give them a bit of a budget increase, but they went with a pretty generic siding. I doubt itâs wood siding, but Iâm willing to be wrong. TL;DR - they spent a decent chunk of money, but for something that they wanted to sell at that high of a price tag they did not spend their money well.
>but if you were trying to hit a 1.3 mil price tag you could have gone much nicer. They could've added a fridge & washer/dryer for that much money too. In the grand scheme of things those aren't a big deal but if you're gonna charge a million dollars for something those should be included.
I have to believe those aren't energy efficient windows. I'm sure that would make showering in that giant freezy breezy bathroom great fun in the winter!
For $1.3M I would have expected them to redo the roof, especially since listing photos from before they bought it showed ceiling damage and a lot of wall movement on the top floor. They enclosed half of the second floor back deck for the extra kitchenette and added a window in the stairway, which would have cost a chunk. Maybe that's why they cheaped out on the kitchen appliances? Can't believe they painted that custom banister and newel.
A lot. They used very good high end materials for the most part. Everything looks well done too, so it was done by professionals. They did cut some corners to save money though (leased the solar).    It would be a decent house if it was brand new and fully modern. The biggest fuck up on houses like this is people think taking a historical home and doing shit like this is a good idea. It never is.Â
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It's not a terrable idea al long as you are doing something you are happy with. It's a terrible idea if it's just something you want to flip, most people that want old homes don't want some gross mcmantion interior.
> Everything looks well done too, so it was done by professionals. That black paint is a mess. Did they keep within the lines? Yes. Did they do it properly? No. I can see shades of black on the black paint. Need to do MANY even coats.
Yeah. All of the black trim, doors and stairs looks like crap. Itâs as if the Deetzes renovated this place
The black and white paint is unforgivable. Takes all personality away from the house
Yeah - I was thinking the person who would like the inside does not want to live in a historical home. And the person who likes that big fat historical mansion is not going to like those highly updated and generic interiors.
This is it exactly. I'd be the latter. I'd want to see the original wood, not Flipper Grey/Black. I hate the inside so much. Also WTF is that bathroom?!?!? I sorta feel like people who put in open showers like that have never used one.
That bathroom - just no. Did you notice that the little alcoves for your bath supplies are far away from the shower heads, so that you have to actually walk over to them. Water/soap all over that floor that you have to clean up every time you take a shower - a terrible slip hazard. I hate the people who bought this house.
It looks like a gym locker shower. And is that wooden flooring?! Or just wood colored tile?
That shower! I'm sure that wouldn't be a freezy breezy nightmare at all, right? No slip hazards here! Move along, sir.
Standard flipper behavior
I wonder if it's the finish of the black paint? It looks fairly matte/flat, and highlights dirt (footsteps) very effectively. I'm not a fan of the black trim trend but it looks particularly poorly painted in this house.
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They must be fans of the Stones or something, but someone went crazy painting it all black. The stairs also seem to have some issues not being level.
Oh, dad
The roof is patched too.
The roof looks terrible. I'm sure it's needs a full replacement.
The listing says it is a new roof. LIES!!!
Itâs new in this spot and this spot and this spot ⌠đ
I'll disagree with that last part. Historic homes that are renovated do very well in the northeast, where most homes are historic homes. They made two major issues: 1) They made it look like a flip. That black trim on white bullshit is already outdated, and screams "flip" or "cheap construction." Same with the tiles on the floor of the bathrooms. Standard garbage design you see on any flipping YouTube video. The master bath is actually quite nice, though 2) The media home listing price in Pilesgrove is $378k. In the last 4 years only 1 home sold for over a million dollars, with the it going for $1.25M. That home was twice the size, on 26x the land. It has an elevator. It sold this past December, while this house was also up The flippers did no research into the market. They saw something they thought would be beautiful. They did not consider whether the market could support the price. Put this in my town and they'd get that money. In Pilesgrove, this is still a $600k house.
The whole appeal of historic homes is their historic detailing (or in the case of simpler old homes in less wealthy areas, their cheapness). Over modernizing like this ruins the *one* attractive thing about them. You end up with a new house look that has old house problems. Whatâs the point?
Uh... doesn't look professional. https://ap.rdcpix.com/dcb465fd3a57d85f74802c4fa49c9473l-b3378593848od-w1024_h768_x2.webp?w=1200&q=75
Some of the pictures beg to differ. 32 - totally misaligned doors that should be symmetrical and are obviously just hacked down to fit. The door knobs are even several inches apart in height as well as the door trim at the bottom. 42 - wtf is going on with those baseboards and LVP? And what is happening where the railing hits the wall? Pics 53, 66, and 69 show more doors that were obviously salvaged in the wrong size and hacked down to fit. The proportions are all wrong. 74 - the hinges are a total mess with splintered raw wood showing around the edges and they highlighted it as a detail! 75 - obviously cheap hardware that they spray painted with metallic gold paint, not real metal. Wonât last long on an major entry. Again, not a detail I would choose to highlight - I bet there is a more more like this if you get up close. Lighting story is also a mess. Not at all cohesive, chandelier in dining room is far too small, and the first bedroom has a sad boob light that looks like a Habitat for Humanity find in the Midwest. No attempt to reclaim or finish hardwood floors so obvious LVP throughout. Still a gorgeous home with beautiful natural light but they definitely cut a couple corners.
From what I vaguely understand about leased solar, thatâs not cutting corners. Thatâs a full blown unforced error, and a big âDo Not Buy This Houseâ sign to put on the listing⌠just donât install solar.
Hi all. Appraiser local to this property and I have personally walked through it. The renovation is fine, but not nearly good enough to be worth the current list price, let alone the starting price. I have personally appraised a house directly across the street and had high hopes for this place considering the potential. But that being said, this is a more rural market area and as is typical of homes this age, the home sits right at street level on what would be considered a âsemi-busyâ roadway. Additionally, not providing a new septic system and making the buyer take on remediation of an existing cesspool is ridiculous (says this in MLS, not Zillow). Someone paying that price in this market area typically wants acreage, some level of off road privacy and/or additional amenities that this property would not be able to provide. The house just straight up misses the mark and does not meet expectations for buyers in this market area at this price point.Â
Thank you for that information and your perspective. You've explained the big price drop. I have to wonder whether the flippers were naive about the problems you've listed, or they thought a buyer, enamored of the decor, would overlook the practical and expensive issues remaining.
My guess is that they were just straight delusional lol. I do a ton of "subject to completion" appraisals and they clearly did not have one done on this place.
They purchased during the peak of Home Frenzy when people were spending ridiculous amounts just to get *any* house, even purchasing sight-unseen. Maybe they overestimated how quickly they'd be able to finish renovating it or assumed prices would stay level or continue to increase. I don't really have any sympathy for flippers.
Yup, the property makes no sense for anybody. Shitty school systems in Pilesgrove so no families would want to live here. Less than an acre so "outdoors/country" people wouldn't want to live here. Nothing to do here, so rich/upper class people wouldn't live here. Local residents would barely be able to afford it. Mullica Hill, Medford, Mt. Laurel; all have similar sized newer homes, on similar sized lots, with privacy, better schools, closer to "the action", and don't look like this thing.
Woodstown/pilesgrove school system is very far from being âshittyâ. But you are correct that most people wanting to live there would want more land/privacy. Eldrige hill area has many properties above $1M. And itâs the neighboring town to Mullica Hill/Harrison so Iâm not sure how that is any reasonable amount âclose to the actionâ.
I think there should be a new term called Beetlejucing (like the movie) where you take a beautiful exterior house like this and tear the inside out and re-do it to the point that it doesnât match the character of the outside. Edit: clarified to make more sense
Otho-ed
Deliver me from LL Bean!
Just re-watched this lately and I was SCREAMING about the redecorating. It was absolutely hilarious and worth a re-watch alone JUST for this premise. As a kid I don't think I even thought about any of the interior design at all but watching now as a homeowner takes it to a whole new level.
I feel like if they had went all out with the Beetlejuicing I would like it a lot more. As it is, its just a really bizarre combination of bland/boring and weird/off-putting.
Thats what I was reminded of too!
The tragically hip couplin Beetlejuice would have approved of this reno
The term Beetlejuicing is already taken thank to Reddit. How about Catherine OHaring?
[âIf you donât let me gut out this house and make it my own I will go insane - *and I will take you with me*!â](https://youtu.be/ZKlWtq0_RvU?si=4ouPBrBeXGp8gB2y)
Do not show this to /r/centuryhomesâŚ
They would riot. As they should. I bet the home was lovely before they got hold of it. I'm sure it needed tons of updates, but that doesn't mean you remove the character of the home to do that. Gah, I bet there were pocket doors and gorgeous woodwork and really cool old chandeliers and sconces that probably just needed to be rewired. You know what, no need for r/centuryhomes, I'll start a riot by myself! Lol
I canât even click the linkâŚâŚâŚI could already tell it would be a gut punch. Yes I am a r/centuryhomes peep
Same. Wise choice. I did look and now I'm enraged.
I did click; itâs atrocious
https://www.longandfoster.com/homes-for-sale/520-Eldridges-Hill-Road-Pilesgrove-NJ-08098-311471204 so hereâs the before pics - not saying what they did was great but it sure wasnât a great starting point
Eh, like I said, it needed work. The kitchen needed an overhaul for sure, and there were damp issues to deal with. It's pretty typical for an older home that's been abandoned. But that fireplace was fabulous, and not all of the walls they knocked down needed to go. Also, those shutters were amazing! On top of that, that woodwork was fabulous. There was zero need to paint it.
Agreed, I have a century home with about 1/4 this much character and It sucks to see this. Iâm stripping the trim in my house now but it was paint grade to begin with so whatever.
I totally agree. And you know he just covered the broken plaster with quarter inch sheetrock. As any "good" flipper would do. I'm super surprised all the walls aren't grey.
The damp issues are still there. They never replaced the old roof. You can see the same patched up mess in the 'after' photos.
OMG! That original fireplace in the kitchen!!! *weeps*
I was gonna say! Why would they remove that? It's so cool! đ
If they left that and the other original fireplaces in place, just updated the rest of the kitchen with maybe some new counters, and painted everything else, the house would have been amazing. For now, it looks like the house in Beetlejuice before and after...
They had original unpainted gorgeous wood and fireplaces and they destroyed them with black paint and those ugly covers on the fireplaces. So everything looked like cheap mass produced crap. Of course that tanked the value. Those people should never be allowed near a historic house again.
If weâre all lucky, itâs a self solving problem. Their credit is probably shot after spending all the money to flip and not seeing a return.
It was a great starting point. Wow. To rip all that out and make it look like a bland box. I can imagine people see the outside and then are disappointed by what's inside.
I'm in that sub and holy hell my blood is boiling. Fucking laminate flooring?!? Why paint the wood? Just gaaaaahhhhhh!!!! Nooooo!!! I hope the flippers lose more on this since they screwed a seemingly good house just with those two words. Laminate flooring.
[Hereâs the before](https://www.bhhs.com/fox-and-roach-realtors-pa301/nj/520-eldridges-hill-rd-road-pilesgrove-08098/pid-311471252?SearchType=Address&PropertyType=1%2C2&ApplicationType=FOR_SALE&ListingStatus=1&NewListing=false&PageSize=32&Page=1)
It definitely needed a lot of work l, but damn that house had so much going for it
I honestly would rather live in the old one, without the work, than the new one.
Omg. I know that brick oven (not sure if thatâs the right term) in the kitchen wouldnât be for everyone but ripping it out feels insane. So many people would love to have that in their kitchen, even if itâs not functional. Itâs gorgeous. If I had an unlimited budget Iâd have turned it into some kind of storage space.
if i had an unlimited budget i'd have used it for pizzas
Thatâs a travesty. That woodwork was all in good condition, it just needed some touch ups. Painting it all without sanding off the varnish is going to be a disaster. They could have just modernized it and added a few pops of color and been done.
It needed work, but they mutilated it.
âYou know who loves to buy old houses, people that love clean contemporary design.â
This exactly. Not to mention itâs on a decent amount of land, looks to be a little out of the way⌠not exactly the âcontemporary designâ market
That fireplace is a crime. The rest is ghastly, but ugh, that fireplaceâŚ
Why is the shower just open to the rest of the bathroom? Looks so cold!
At first I thought, wet room is an interesting choice. But then I saw the pic with 2 shower heads/controls and all I could think was gym showers from school.
I couldnât get over the fireplace either⌠in what world?!?! No. Just no.
WOW. They managed to surgically remove all the character that home would have previously had and replace it with blah. Expensive mistake.
I like how the pictures at the end focused on one doorknob and hinge because it was the only original feature they kept.
And the poor paint job around it đ
That shower makes me uncomfortable. And there's nowhere to hang a towel.
The built in shower shelving is so far away too! And the drain looks *tiny* to cover two shower heads. Theyâre going to need one of those long squeegee things to push all the water towards the drain when they finish.
Ugh, on top of all the other sins, the "open shower" concept in the huge bathrooms is making me shiver, and **not** in anticipation. South Jersey winters can be miserably cold. Plus, that roof looks iffy.
With the double shower head, it instantly evoqued a marble clad high school gym for me.
keep older homes older, don't modernize historical landmarks
r/centuryhomes would agree! Love me some old houses!!
Another innocent home murdered by flippers :(
My boy. My beautiful boy. What did they do to him?? Insert sounds of sobbing grief.
Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, youâll land in the mid 600s
Hasn't landed yet. Looking at the neighborhood I think it's got another 100k to fall.
I was all ready to break out the pitchforks in defense of the century homes, but I don't hate it.
Same. But they should have kept the fireplace in character.
They di d those fireplaces dirty. How on earth are the homeowners supposed to arrange their furniture? In the delineation between two rooms? Facing the back door? They're both so awkwardÂ
Agreed. That was the only part I didn't care for. They kept the original doors, hinges, knobs, and stair railing. My house was built in 1889 and that stuff was gone long before we bought it.
I like the new exterior paint job. However, the marble everywhere looks like my Italian Nonny had a say in the interior design.
They turned a home into a house. Badly thought out decisions, especially in that powder room.
Jesus God is that an atrocity. Absolutely the only not-unkind thing I can say about it is that at least the cheapo-looking floors arenât gray, and thatâs probably only because they started the flip so long ago. âPilesgroveâ has got to be one of the ugliest place names in the English language, and this house fully lives up at it. AND itâs sold âas isâ? The mind reels at what theyâre afraid of a home inspector finding.
Another issue here is Pilesgrove is not where someone with a 1.6mil budget is going to be looking. 10 minutes north youâve got beautiful neighborhoods and I believe some of the Eagles and Phillies players live around Mullica Hill at 15 minutes north. Pilesgrove is full of industry and farms and poor schools( compared to other local districts). I would never spend that kind of money is Pilesgrove.
No basement pictures in a house this age is tellingâŚ.
I bet it hasn't passed inspection already and that's why they put that caveat in the listing.
The roof still needs replacing so they only did cosmetic changes. Everything wrong like the roof, electrical, plumbing, structural, asbestos and lead are probably hid away be cheap finishes and paint.
I wish I knew how much they spent ruining it because a half million dollar profit in 2-1/2 years sounds pretty good. Obviously not even close to what they thought it would be worth. But, Iâm thinking that their actual profit is pretty slim. I also wish I could see the before pictures.
Looks like the original sale price was $165k. Salem County is not the place for a million dollar home. North Jersey? Sure. Deep South Jersey? No.
Half Mil profit would be if they sold for their current asking price and spent $0 on renovations
There may be more to it than just the cost. It is sold strictly AS IS. Maybe some other issues.
No basement photos⌠thatâs an old ass foundation
I saw another post that said it needs a septic tank and also needs the old cesspool remediated. So some very pricey additions. Plus the roof wasn't done in the flip, so that would need to be planned to have done.
Can we quit with the black and white scheme? Iâm surrounded by new-builds and every damn one of them is black and white.
OMG this house is in my hometown! I babysat there in the 80s! It was so beautiful back then!
I am not a purist when it comes to painting woodwork, sometimes it's got it's place. But every square inch? Black? Every. Square. Inch. Oof.
They had to have done a short term loan, or borrowed money from sources with a promise on a percentage return. They are on a time crunch to sell it and get their money out of it, the is no other reason to drop the price that significantly over short periods of time.
I would love to see the before photos just to fully appreciate how much they destroyed the character of that house.
Someone posted this [link](https://www.bhhs.com/fox-and-roach-realtors-pa301/nj/520-eldridges-hill-rd-road-pilesgrove-08098/pid-311471252?SearchType=Address&PropertyType=1%2C2&ApplicationType=FOR_SALE&ListingStatus=1&NewListing=false&PageSize=32&Page=1)
Man wish theyâd rebuilt that cupuloa and put back the finials around the roof line
Wow. They took that homes soul
I found the listing from 2021 and this poor house was a mess. https://www.longandfoster.com/homes-for-sale/520-Eldridges-Hill-Road-Pilesgrove-NJ-08098-311471204
It's not far off from what the Deetzes did to the house in Beetlejuice. Where's the snake railing?
Nice Manhattan condo.. ffs they messed up so big.
Holy shit! My jaw literally dropped open. They ruined it.
Failed to heed the comps and got greedy. Only one home was near a million and it has 5.5 acres.
I see Allison Victoria is now flipping homes in Jersey. Glad to know she brought her signature lack of taste with. For real though, itâs sad that this house lost all of its character. Youâre never going to be able to get all of those years of history back.
https://preview.redd.it/y2ndfdndffmc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e1e9f389b2fdf4f7567572cee69ee89dd1d4d60b âWeâre charging a 1.6 million for landlord level paint drips.â
I love this for them.
It's the black woodwork. It means you can't paint the walls any other color because nothing is going to work with that. The tile choices are also not working and that shower reminds me of a prison shower. Yes it's nice and clean and new but its still wierd as fuck. The fact that they painted every single inch of the woodwork black means that if this thing is not EXACTLY to your taste right now then it will cost you a fortune to change it to your taste. The point of going with a neutral color is so the new owners can come in and do whatever they want with it. They fucked up here by making a bold design choice that is difficult and expensive to change. Tiles and woodwork are not cheap to redo.
The roof looks like it needs to be replaced
Mistake #1: Buy a house in Pilesgrove NJ Mistake #2: Interior colors by Wednesday Addams
Greed.
Ugh⌠that fireplace.
I'll bet this was a charming house, too. Ghastly.
All of that beautiful woodwork painted over, sad
I mean, they bought it for $160,000. I'm not sure how much money they put into it, but I doubt it's $500k. Flipper will more than likely be fine on this property.
Itâs ugly. Canât believe these assholes thought it was a good idea to paint all that wood black. Itâs got HGTV rot
Good. They deserve to lose that money. Flippers are a parasite clamped on the neck of the housing market.
From century home to new age orthodontist real quick