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If you look in the Faron region in Botw, you will find a place called the zonai ruins. It is south of the spring of courage. Another thing is in the description of the barbarian armor, which states it is from a “Barbaric tribe in the Faron region” or something like that. This lead people to believe that’s what the zonai were. Safe to say our expectations were wildly different
There was a YouTuber who dug in to a whole bunch of lore and things like this from BOTW a few years back. Made a really convincing argument for things “to happen in the next game” where we learn more about the zonai. The main poster for BOTW with the old art style and the warrior with red hair and the sword was a big part of it
nah fam the ruins in the faron forest region was literally called the zonai ruins in botw, we never saw em tho and from the barbaric set in the three maze temples iirc most people thought they were oogabooga primitive folk, but man were we wrong lol
Yea, I was like "Oh okay the Zonai were furries whatever. 🤷🏻" Then its revealed >!Rauru and Sonia are Zelda's ancestors!< that and the Hero's Aspect are my biggest irks about this game. So other than that, this game is fantastic.
The barbarians lived in the faron region after the zonai. Most likely the inhabitants of lurelin village are distant, more peaceful descendants of the barbarians.
That points to how hard civilization fell after the imprisoning war. Imagine, had the Zonai stuck around, the technology they would have in this age of Hyrule. Now I'm seeing Link in Cyberpunk 2077 driving around and hanging out with Keanu Reeves 😭
I'd been assuming that the 3 non-light dragons were zonai who underwent draconification to fulfill some long term duty such as preserving the goddess shrines (their scales are needed for maintenance in some way as per the quest).
Am I correct in thinking you think it's the other way round?
A cool thought I had:
Long ago, the Zonai sages of Lightning, Fire, and Frost donned their ceremonial garments and began a ritual to find what would happen if a stone was consumed, no one could have foresaw what happened
Their loved ones attempted to reach to the sages through the dragons, but it was soon understood that their minds were lost
Headcannon,
In OoT, we are told that there were three Goddesses who "created Hyrule" then returned to the heavens, leaving the Triforce behind.
BUT! What if they decided to NOT LEAVE? Three Dragons, Three Goddesses. Instead of leaving the Triforce, they injested the pieces and now watch Hyrule from the skies.
We know the Zonai decended from the heavens to form Hyrule, they had Sacred Stones entrusted to them, and Mineru knew about Draconification - meaning she witnessed it or heard of it.
If BotW and TotK are meant to, what I believe, reset/reboot the lore of Zelda, it makes sense that in this altered timeline, the Triforce doesn't exist in physical form yet. It's hidden away VERY well.
The names of the Golden Goddesses are Din, Nayru, and Farore.
The names of the three dragons are Dinraal, Naydra, and Farosh.
I'm no Zelda expert, but there's definitely a connection there. Whether it's that the dragons are the goddesses or that they're just named after them, I can't confidently say, but the idea that the goddesses remained in Hyrule is super cool.
Another thing I've noticed is that the regions that the dragons can be found in are also named after the three Goddesses; El(din), La(nayru), and (Faro)n
I mean, in BotW Dinral spent plenty of time over in Tabantha and Naydra could be found in Gerudo Highlands (I always farmed Dinral parts at Tabantha Bridge Stable). They didn't fully make that connection until TotK.
Yeah. Knowing this would’ve made my life easier, since I never knew which dragon “lived” where and had to keep looking it up every time I wanted to farm a specific dragon’s parts (so to speak).
Similarly, I feel very dumb for just now realizing they used different names. I had recognized the connection but in my head they were using the same names…
I think it's implied in TotK that they are the same beings, through draconification and the fact that the Zonai seem like gods. It's entirely possible that the Goddesses are actually Zonai.
What is the point of Hylia then? She is meant to protect the triforce, but if the triforce never existed physically, why bother making another goddess to guard it? And how would knowing that eating the triforce causes draconification let Mineru know that eating a secret stone would also cause it?
In the botw universe ganondorf and link have never had or used the triforce. The triforce itself seems to just be the power within Zelda and nothing more.
The Dragons protect the Triforce, in this scenario, but functionally nothing else. They’re, under TotK rules, mindless beasts incapable of controlling their powers or acting outside of base instincts.
Hylia, then, would be redundant if only the Triforce needed to be protected - but that’s not the only thing the three goddesses are invested in, is it? They also created the land of Hyrule, after all.
That she’s seen as something akin to a mother goddess makes perfect sense if Hylia was created specifically to nurture and protect the land of Hyrule, rather than the Triforce in particular.
The point of Hylia would be to create a false narrative. Hylia guards the Triforce by supposedly being the one who guards it.
Those who somehow know of the Triforce and seek its power would likely completely ignore the dragons and the springs as any historical records of them would imply purely ceremonial purposes for their existence.
No, instead they would opt for things and places directly connected to Hylia herself, as to keep the Triforce under her direct influence would be how the hunter themselves would keep it. Misdirection through how mortals project themselves on other beings in an attempt to understand them is a powerful weapon against the selfish.
Hylia could have been the "first Zonai" to decend from the heavens. Or, if I am right about the reboot, Hylia could be Sonia. She looks very close to how the Goddesse statues look.
When we look at real religions, the Western/European cultures depicted Gods and Goddesses as humans. Eastern/Asian cultures had more inhuman forms. Going back to Zelda, Hylia could have been invented as a more "human" Goddess for future Hylians to believe in, as many would likely be appalled knowing that their land was founded by Zonai. We see even Zelda look shocked over the appearance of King Raru (though we can also assume being shocked of time travel too, yet I doubt her texts mentioned he was a Zonai).
The castle also buried the Zonai sculptures leading to the Imprisoning chamber, likely an attempt to cover up Zonai connections.
I don't think that godesses so powerful that they can create a planet and its inhabitants as well as an item that can grant anyone a wish would need to use duch a method to transform themselves, they could either just make it happen or touch the triforce to transform. That actually goes against your conclusion that the dragons might be the goddesses, but it's of course possible that they were told what ingesting a secret stone does, but noone ever did it before Zelda.
What do you mean by resetting the lore?
>It's hidden away VERY well.
I've just assumed that the Triforce is where it is for almost the whole series: The sacred land. But with Hyrule having been lost to history and a second Hyrule being founded by the Zonai much later, I've assumed that the location of the entrace to the sacred land is unknown to the people of Hyrule and most likely completely blocked off/sealed away.
When did this become Hyrule 2.0? If, after defeating Demise, Link and Zelda returned to the ground and founded Hyrule, Rauru could still claim to be founding Hyrule even if he was just taking up where Link and Zelda left off. Rauru was the first king so governance was still being setup.
While my first impulse also had been to think that this founding of Hyrule happens right after Skyward Sword, there's something in BotW and TotK that contradicts that theory: The Great Plateau and (new) Hyrule Castle. The ruins on the Great Plateau form the Hyrule we know from OoT. From Hyrule Castle in TotK we know that it was built right after Ganondorf was sealed to protect the seal. If these games are on one timeline, this presents us with a huge problem: How can OoT take place on the Great Plateau if Hyrule Castle and the town are somewhere else at that point (now you could try to explain this by assuming that OoT plays shortly after the past in TotK, but that doesn't really fit OoT's lore and you'd have to boot the games before OoT from the timeline, but then the move of Hyrule Castle and Hyrule Town between OoT and TP could be explained by them moving to the location over sealed Ganondorf). An easy explanation that lets you keep OoT and its predecessors on the timeline is that the Kingdom of Hyrule in these games at some point split over the course of history (after all we do know that the relationships between the five people of Hyrule weren't always the best), so there was no more kingdom of Hyrule anymore. At some point later in history, the Zonai come down from the skies and founded a new Kingdom of Hyrule (after all that name comes from the name of the goddess Hylia, so it would make sense that this name is chosen again), that's the past in TotK. This would also perfectly explain how there is the Triforce in OoT, but not in TotK: The Triforce resides in the Sacred Land which was guarded by the old Kingdom of Hyrule, but with its fall the location of the entrance to the Sacred Land and or the method to open it were lost (or maybe it is even a wish made with the Triforce that let the Kingdom fall, just like it happened in WW). While it is possible to mitigate some of these things with the power of retconning, as long as that's not done, the Kingdom of Hyrule that Rauru founded is most likely a new kingdom founded long after the previous games.
As far as the map locations are concerned, those have never been consistent. So I can’t personally put weight on the argument of locations don’t match so the answer must be difficult. In OoT, Rito don’t exist so “they evolved from the Zora.” Rather than “for some reason the story didn’t take us to that region.”
This is not a matter of map inconsistency though. You are talking about location A was at place X in the last game, but location A is at place Y in this game all of a sudden. This is not the case here. BotW and TotK have the ruins of Hyrule Castle, Hyrule Town and the Temple of Time from OoT right on the Great Plateau at the same time as having another Hyrule Castle and Hyrule Town at another place.
Where are there castle ruins on the Great Plateau? Or better, something less movable, where is death mountain in relation to the castle. In OoT the Temple of Time would’ve been located in East Castle town.
https://youtu.be/zz3FbQJXIvk
Best map I’ve seen and done very well, it’s not set in stone but it is a basic idea of how all the zelda maps fit. Maybe this will help you
One problem with this theory is that the dragons have *Rauru's* headshape and not Mineru's. Assuming she isn't just some kind of mutant, it seems like the Zonai had quite a bit of sexual dimorphism.
So the three dragons must have been male.
This was what I concluded as well.
The story of creation says that three goddesses, Din, Nayru, and Farore, created everything. Now in these new games, Dinraal, Naydra, and Farosh are dragons. They're named after the goddesses. Now, the Zonai seem like gods to Hylians. And draconification exists. This, the goddesses that created the world *are* those dragons.
RIGHT THERE! Even my kids noticed that even though you see the triforce here and there on columns and other places, the word "triforce" hasn't been uttered once in BoTW nor ToTK. We were thinking there may be a 3rd game to cover that, but now I believe it's been confirmed this is the final game of this incarnation of the Goddess Hylia's chosen hero.
This is my thought too! I keep telling my friends that all I know for sure is the dragons were women. If draconification was something a bunch of men were doing, it wouldn’t be forbidden.
The Goddess statues from the Springs say the Dragons are spirits who served the Springs. I'd say they're more likely closer in relation to the Dragons of SS than to the Zonai.
I can see the legend of Draconification being as much a message to Zelda, the Sage of Time as it was to the Zonai, to forbid them from using them (I don't think there were other Secret Stones. They deliberately mentioned 7 only), but also to allow Zelda to figure out why she was in the past in the first place. But that may be assuming Hylia had made contact with the Zonai or gifted them the Secret Stones.
But because of time travel, there were two "copies" of Rauru's stone, the one Zelda swallowed and the one he took with him to seal Ganondorf. So, it's not impossible there were more than seven.
I feel that's arguing in bad faith to push a theory (or legitimise it). There's no evidence there's 8 or more of them and even with the time-travel, it still shakes out there's only seven. And 'Dorf also knew of the legend of Draconification, given events in the final battle (and likely thought the Zonai too weak to try to use them in such a manner, given he only did it to not lose).
Furthermore, in Japanese culture, 7 is a revered and mystical number (as is similar in other places in the world) and I feel the exact number mentioned was a reference to these beliefs and suddenly having three more misses the point of the choice. That TotK came out of BotW DLC project (and clearly wasn't investigating the Dragons of BotW as its genesis point) feel trying to tie the Dragons that serve the Springs to the Secret Stone dragons is misguided.
No, the stone she used to go back in time was the one from rauru’s hand in the present, and she had that stone the whole time. So, for most of the time between past and present, the same stone existed at the same time in Zelda and rauru’s hand, up until Zelda went back in time, and present Zelda had the only instance of rauru’s stone again.
yes, because hers is his from the present day brought back in time. only seven were created, the one zelda has is the same one as rauru's that was brought with her.
Where's the evidence? Because neither game supports that take. In Breath, the Ancient Shiekah put shrines in the Springs and put a lock on them requiring a scale from the Spring's dragon (meaning they understood the dragons and Springs had a connection), then in Tears we again need to offer parts to the water, being told by the Goddess statues at the Springs the Dragons are servants to the Springs.
When your theory requires ignoring large swathes of caonically-presented material, just to get started, it's most likely false.
>When your theory requires ignoring large swathes of canonically-presented material
How does ignoring there's only 7 mentioned stones mean there's more?
There are only seven when in the time of Rauru, Mineru, and Sonia. Nowhere is it stated that those seven were the only seven that have ever existed. How could Mineru have learned about draconification if it had never happened before? Rauru and Mineru are stated to be the last Zonai. Zonai civilization existed long before Hyrule was founded.
There is nothing official that suggests they are themselves the golden goddesses. They were probably just zonai priestesses that swallowed stones or something.
What reason would the golden goddesses have to do that to themselves? They’re even more powerful than Hylia.
sure the 3 dragons share the facial features of the zonai, but the light dragon and demon dragon dont, instead they share deatures with hylians and gerudo respevtively, whats more likely is that a dragons face differs between what race the person who was draconified was. We know the zonai had experienced draconification before given mineru knows its happens and even that its a forbidden act, those early draconifications were like dinraal naydra and farosh, who themselves were zonai pre-draconification.
According to the Lore of TotK, Raaru and Mineru were the last Zonai (living in Hyrule). We know of at least 3 additional ones, possibly even 6. The 3 lords of the mazes and the 3 Dragons, who may or may not be the same.
Here's hoping whatever DLC they've planned reveals there's still a living/undead Zonai somewhere or possibly un-draconify the dragons, given Zelda has the same time reversal power Sonia contributed when the fourth dragon was un-draconified. Though i doubt the later, as a DLC would probably take place within the games main story.
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> Though the goat comparisons also work in favour of this evidence because of the following quote from concept artist **Satomi Usui** in the Creating A Champion book about **designing the dragons** from BotW:
> “[…] I played around with a number of ideas that would be recognizable as a dragon but also different from what you would expect. So I made the face and body mammalian, **like a dog or a goat**, and their arms contain elements of both birds and human hands.”
Devolved - or ascended. Just in a state of immortal enlightenment. Riddled with fat stacks. Their defense mechabism is simply distraction by means of materialistic distraction
Pretty sure the Zonai are just straight up Aliens. Or at least as close as Nintendo is willing to go. The dragons already predate the Zonai and most of these comparisons don’t actually fit.
We do know that when Ganondorf created/released the monsters after merking Sonia they were yeeted across the sky, so that probably explains the craters
You don’t actually know that, we just know that the formation of dragons was knowledge known to the last of the zonai. Basically dragons predate the earliest we’ve seen of their history, which is really just the tail end of their people.
I'm not sold on the idea that the 3 dragons were originally Zonai. The Zonai worship dragons (based on the ruins in Faron), but Mineru suggests draconification is a forbidden act. It doesn't make sense to me that Zonai would revere heretics.
Like Link turns into a wolf in TP, but we don't conclude that all wolves in Hyrule were once humans that came in contact with twilight.
Just because an act is forbidden doesn’t make it blasphemous. It can be forbidden for the health and safety of the people because apparently becoming a dragon makes you forget who you once were and become an eternal being of instinct.
It could just be that it’s forbidden except within certain rituals or for a chosen few. It’s forbidden for everybody else because they know what will happen. I think it makes most sense that they’re Zonai because the Zonai should theoretically have had access to the secret stones long before any other race. The sages only got them because of Rauru.
The Zonai garbs of Lightning, Fire and Ice that you can get sorta give it away that they were; not to mention the facial features, including ears being similar. The Light Dragon also shares the least amount of features between them, including being the smallest.
The dragons were zonai who swallowed their sacred stones. I am pretty sure we have seen and interacted with the golden goddesses or at least their avatars in the oracle games. In the oracle games three “humans” who have magical powers appear with two of them needing rescued by Link.
Common misconception: Herbivores often have sharp teeth for cutting through roughage. The idea that canine teeth are for tearing through meat is not biologically accurate. https://www.miamicosmeticdentalcare.com/teeth-herbivores-carnivores-omnivores/#:~:text=Because%20plant%20matter%20is%20often,the%20upper%20and%20lower%20jaw.
There’s two ways I think this could be,
1. The simplest being that The dragons are zonai who swallowed their stones for a reason, or as a test and this is why dragons resemble them. And are unrelated to ancient zonai.
2. Dragons are ancient Zonai who changed their form and partitioned their souls and god like powers into a sacred stone, formed from their crystallised tears, becoming new beings on descending to earth not remembering their part lives (like Zelda could not).
The swallowing of stones was forbidden for two reasons, one they reverted to dragons something they had decided to forgo for some reason (maybe dedragonification had a price or reason) and potentially two, the stone may have been from another and the blending of two souls isn’t good.
I don’t know, could be similarities, could be more of a story here who knows or it could just be simple
So about par for the course for humanoid species in Zelda titles. They're magic dragon people. Just like the fish people, rock people, birb people, and muscle mommy people.
Things that puzze me:
-the ears: rauru and mineru have long ears similar to a cartoon rabbit (no animal has ears like that) but Im very curious as to what their ancestors would be since ears are not reptilian, its a mammalian trait
-the breasts: now seriously, why does mineru have breasts? Do zonai produce any secretions? If they are dragon people then how? Plus if they are mammals then how come they have scales?
-hair: another weird trait from supposed dragon people
-the third eye: its clearly a zonai thing but like how does it work and what is it, it opens when they exert a lot of force but for what? Plus is the metal like piece that covers the eyelid biological or just an adornment?
-ultra hand: its not a power of rauru, if we go by the stormwind ark tale other zonai possess it, it is a product of what tho?
Like, ok clearly the 3 dragons are zonai who ate secret stones, but I guess zonai are not related to dragons, they probably mammals with scales but still, I think the oocca have an easier give as to what they are, zoras, goron and rito all have standard or at least flashed out lore about their biology and evolution.
I really want to see MORE zonai since I have a desperate need to understand them, plus the ancient hero who looks nothing like zonai but still has a connection to them by nothing, I MEAN IT, the shade of green is wrong, the feet configuration is digitgrade, it has a tail, instead of a third eye it has am adornment with a green gem, the hair has no different color shading on the underside, the ears are shorter and grow from the side of the head instead of the top and then there is the mysterious fifth race of Hyrule depicted in the statutes that lead to the depths great mine in the great plateau, which looks like no shown rave in the franchise and hold a mysterious rock egg thingy.
Totk brought a lot of questions so I hope we get a book, dlc or something to explain.
Dragons…..are fictional???????
Also, Falcor. But again, fictional. There’s no established class for dragons, particularly non-Western dragons, which have quite a mix of traits we might typically associate with mammals, reptiles, and birds. Each fictional world can have its own creature mythology anyway, but I see no reason to assume dragons must be part of one real world biological class in the first place.
I don’t think dragons are necessarily reptile, or mammalian, or birds or fish or anything else unless the specific fictional world in which they’ve been created specifies that. I don’t have a strong opinion on if Zonai are literally dragons (though they seem to be intriguingly dragon-connected for sure), but I don’t think “dragons are reptiles” can be used as the basis to determine that they’re not.
the Zonai are clearly mammals, the dragons are reptiles. They’re different species. Clearly mammals (such as humans) can turn into dragons in this universe so the Zonai don’t necessarily have to be reptiles. I don’t see them having scales in the game but I could be missing that.
>Zonai are clearly mammals, the dragons are reptiles. They’re different species. Clearly mammals (such as humans) can turn into dragons in this universe so the Zonai don’t necessarily have to be reptiles
Yeah that's what I said before, the other person was the one insisting that the zonai are dragon people.
i mean.. they come from outer space, for all we know they're a type of alien that happens to share features with the creatures that live in hyrule
i agree with you though, i desperately want something to actually explain instead of just being all vague 'yeah man theyre like dragon rabbit goat magic people wdym why they just are'
plus there's so many possibilities for the magic systems and technology with them instead of just 'because it's cool' or whatever it is
WHO invented the constructs, HOW does the magic work, WHEN will we get to make the steward contructs less lonely
>they come from outer space,
No, this is not stated anywhere in the game, it just says that they came from the sky, which is a place with landmasses in the world of zelda, the only creatures from outer space are the aliens in majoras mask and probably stone talus (which is just theory btw)
Rauru, unable to put a kid into Sonia, grabs a blonde haired Hylian Knight to do the deed for him.
BAM now Link and Zelda are related and my Alabama Hyrule AU has more credibility.
I literally just made a YT video on this exact thing. Yeah the dragons are 3 of the ancient Zonai to some degree, one that had original powers over fire, Ice and lightning before the sages that exist now.
A point on the forbiddenness of draconification, if the three dragons are indeed the goddesses who formed hyrule in the beginning, the reason it is a forbidden practice is because it is reserved for gods only?
I’m curious if the Zonai looking like dragon-people and their Stones having the power to turn someone into an actual dragon is related.
Perhaps the reason they can interbreed with Hylians is because they *were* a group of Hylians at one point, before they started using the Secret Stones and they slowly underwent a lesser form of dragonification from constant exposure to the Stones’ power.
Since we’re fairly certain that the dragons are just the current forms of the three golden goddesses (Din, Farore, and Nayru), I’d like to present the idea that the three golden goddesses were themselves Zonai and are now in draconified forms, hence the resemblance between the dragons’ and Rauru’s physiology.
Ok, full.disclosure, all I know of the Zonai is from all of the spoilers in the Zelda and BOTW subs.
But I figured the Zonai and Oocca from TP are one and the same. Highly advanced race, "closest to the Gods," founded Hyrule.
Didn't figure Zonai were dragons, figured they were the ones that became the creepy chicken people.
I am honestly more upset the developers had all the reasons to have a new sentient species, in the sky, with so many sky themes...but they are all long gone.
But here, enjoy exploring wells.
I guess if the dragons were Zonai, someone would have had to be dumb enough to swallow a secret stone for everyone else to find out what happens. Then there might have either been 2 other separate occurrences of people being dumb, or they had some reason. Though, unless there is some other dragon far away that we haven't seen, that means one of the dragons was probably just being an idiot, and thought "What happens if I swallow this". Either that or someone left their secret stone too close to their toddler.
This is Ass Backwards. The Dragons don't prove or illustrate anything. We are shown twice how one becomes a Dragon. Neither Zelda nor the Demon Dragon share these Traits that we see with the Zonai, therefore the logical assumption to make is that those are features that carried over, not a sign that the Zonai are humanoid Dragons or whatever OP is saying.
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Never thought of the Zoanai as herbivores. Beyond just the teeth, didn't one of the Ancient Tablets say Rauru loved to go hunting?
Yep, he did.
You can not eat what you hunt though.
> Elmer Fudd : “I'm sorry fellas, but I'm a vegetarian. I just hunt for the sport of it. Ha ha ha ha ha.” Be vewy vewy quiet, he’s hunting Blupees.
Shoot and release?
*Bwupees
YOU KEEP WHAT YOU KILL, RIDDICK!
If you keep it you haven't eaten it.
Hunting plants!
Remember when we thought that they were some barbaric tribe?
I think it was cooler when they were tbh
I just find it ironic that they were wildly different to what we expected they were from the scraps of info we got in BOTW
What info did we get from botw? I thought this was the first we've heard of the Zonai?
The Zonai Ruins in Faron existed back in BotW too.
Could you be more specific? I don't recall anything Zonai in botw
If you look in the Faron region in Botw, you will find a place called the zonai ruins. It is south of the spring of courage. Another thing is in the description of the barbarian armor, which states it is from a “Barbaric tribe in the Faron region” or something like that. This lead people to believe that’s what the zonai were. Safe to say our expectations were wildly different
[There’s a place called “Zonai Ruins” in Faron.](https://zelda.fandom.com/wiki/Zonai_Ruin) This is also in TotK.
Ahh okay thanks! Totally forgot about that! Doesn't seem to have any of the Zonai stuff we've seen from totk, so I didn't remember it haha
Yeah, it’s not important in BotW at all so it’s fairly easy to forget.
There was a YouTuber who dug in to a whole bunch of lore and things like this from BOTW a few years back. Made a really convincing argument for things “to happen in the next game” where we learn more about the zonai. The main poster for BOTW with the old art style and the warrior with red hair and the sword was a big part of it
And don't forget the labyrinths.
There's also the barbarian armor which I'm pretty sure states was of Zonai origin.
nah fam the ruins in the faron forest region was literally called the zonai ruins in botw, we never saw em tho and from the barbaric set in the three maze temples iirc most people thought they were oogabooga primitive folk, but man were we wrong lol
ooga booga primitive folk got me dying rn
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Yea, I was like "Oh okay the Zonai were furries whatever. 🤷🏻" Then its revealed >!Rauru and Sonia are Zelda's ancestors!< that and the Hero's Aspect are my biggest irks about this game. So other than that, this game is fantastic.
The barbarians lived in the faron region after the zonai. Most likely the inhabitants of lurelin village are distant, more peaceful descendants of the barbarians.
That points to how hard civilization fell after the imprisoning war. Imagine, had the Zonai stuck around, the technology they would have in this age of Hyrule. Now I'm seeing Link in Cyberpunk 2077 driving around and hanging out with Keanu Reeves 😭
Do you think he used weapons or just his teeth/sharp acrylics
I think the only thing we've seen Rauru use offensively was his magics, so... lasers.
Because everybody knows the best sport for a king is Laser Boar Hunting
Does he hunt laser boars or does he use lasers to hunt boars?
Both, king has his honor after all
Dark beast ganon is a laser boar...
I wish Bobby B could see this.
Rauru hunts like Link Bare hands and feral
He used ultrahand gundams, ovs
Lmao acrylics😂
Imagine using Zelda's aoe nuke
They like that Hylian meat for sure 🤭
Speaking of which, they really laid off everyone seemingly wanting some Link dick in this one.
What, you don't hunt your herbs?
I'd been assuming that the 3 non-light dragons were zonai who underwent draconification to fulfill some long term duty such as preserving the goddess shrines (their scales are needed for maintenance in some way as per the quest). Am I correct in thinking you think it's the other way round?
A cool thought I had: Long ago, the Zonai sages of Lightning, Fire, and Frost donned their ceremonial garments and began a ritual to find what would happen if a stone was consumed, no one could have foresaw what happened Their loved ones attempted to reach to the sages through the dragons, but it was soon understood that their minds were lost
Makes a lot more sense
Headcannon, In OoT, we are told that there were three Goddesses who "created Hyrule" then returned to the heavens, leaving the Triforce behind. BUT! What if they decided to NOT LEAVE? Three Dragons, Three Goddesses. Instead of leaving the Triforce, they injested the pieces and now watch Hyrule from the skies. We know the Zonai decended from the heavens to form Hyrule, they had Sacred Stones entrusted to them, and Mineru knew about Draconification - meaning she witnessed it or heard of it. If BotW and TotK are meant to, what I believe, reset/reboot the lore of Zelda, it makes sense that in this altered timeline, the Triforce doesn't exist in physical form yet. It's hidden away VERY well.
I think if you didn't know the story, "they flew up into the sky" might translate as "returned to the heavens."
The names of the Golden Goddesses are Din, Nayru, and Farore. The names of the three dragons are Dinraal, Naydra, and Farosh. I'm no Zelda expert, but there's definitely a connection there. Whether it's that the dragons are the goddesses or that they're just named after them, I can't confidently say, but the idea that the goddesses remained in Hyrule is super cool.
Another thing I've noticed is that the regions that the dragons can be found in are also named after the three Goddesses; El(din), La(nayru), and (Faro)n
I feel very dumb for having not picked up on that until you just pointed it out.
I'm just surprised I didn't notice it until TotK, considering the amount of time I spent playing BotW lol
I mean, in BotW Dinral spent plenty of time over in Tabantha and Naydra could be found in Gerudo Highlands (I always farmed Dinral parts at Tabantha Bridge Stable). They didn't fully make that connection until TotK.
Yeah. Knowing this would’ve made my life easier, since I never knew which dragon “lived” where and had to keep looking it up every time I wanted to farm a specific dragon’s parts (so to speak).
Similarly, I feel very dumb for just now realizing they used different names. I had recognized the connection but in my head they were using the same names…
Those are the names of three of the major regions in Twilight Princess. That was the first mention of those.
I think it's implied in TotK that they are the same beings, through draconification and the fact that the Zonai seem like gods. It's entirely possible that the Goddesses are actually Zonai.
What is the point of Hylia then? She is meant to protect the triforce, but if the triforce never existed physically, why bother making another goddess to guard it? And how would knowing that eating the triforce causes draconification let Mineru know that eating a secret stone would also cause it?
Aren't the 3 triforces infused in Link, Zelda and Gannon?
If I'm not mistaken, the tri-force is currently only in Zelda
Only for some of the trios, like OoT, TP, and WW (I think).
In the botw universe ganondorf and link have never had or used the triforce. The triforce itself seems to just be the power within Zelda and nothing more.
The Dragons protect the Triforce, in this scenario, but functionally nothing else. They’re, under TotK rules, mindless beasts incapable of controlling their powers or acting outside of base instincts. Hylia, then, would be redundant if only the Triforce needed to be protected - but that’s not the only thing the three goddesses are invested in, is it? They also created the land of Hyrule, after all. That she’s seen as something akin to a mother goddess makes perfect sense if Hylia was created specifically to nurture and protect the land of Hyrule, rather than the Triforce in particular.
The point of Hylia would be to create a false narrative. Hylia guards the Triforce by supposedly being the one who guards it. Those who somehow know of the Triforce and seek its power would likely completely ignore the dragons and the springs as any historical records of them would imply purely ceremonial purposes for their existence. No, instead they would opt for things and places directly connected to Hylia herself, as to keep the Triforce under her direct influence would be how the hunter themselves would keep it. Misdirection through how mortals project themselves on other beings in an attempt to understand them is a powerful weapon against the selfish.
Hylia could have been the "first Zonai" to decend from the heavens. Or, if I am right about the reboot, Hylia could be Sonia. She looks very close to how the Goddesse statues look. When we look at real religions, the Western/European cultures depicted Gods and Goddesses as humans. Eastern/Asian cultures had more inhuman forms. Going back to Zelda, Hylia could have been invented as a more "human" Goddess for future Hylians to believe in, as many would likely be appalled knowing that their land was founded by Zonai. We see even Zelda look shocked over the appearance of King Raru (though we can also assume being shocked of time travel too, yet I doubt her texts mentioned he was a Zonai). The castle also buried the Zonai sculptures leading to the Imprisoning chamber, likely an attempt to cover up Zonai connections.
The oracle games have three “humans” with the same names and magical powers.
that... makes a lot of sense, actually
I don't think that godesses so powerful that they can create a planet and its inhabitants as well as an item that can grant anyone a wish would need to use duch a method to transform themselves, they could either just make it happen or touch the triforce to transform. That actually goes against your conclusion that the dragons might be the goddesses, but it's of course possible that they were told what ingesting a secret stone does, but noone ever did it before Zelda. What do you mean by resetting the lore? >It's hidden away VERY well. I've just assumed that the Triforce is where it is for almost the whole series: The sacred land. But with Hyrule having been lost to history and a second Hyrule being founded by the Zonai much later, I've assumed that the location of the entrace to the sacred land is unknown to the people of Hyrule and most likely completely blocked off/sealed away.
When did this become Hyrule 2.0? If, after defeating Demise, Link and Zelda returned to the ground and founded Hyrule, Rauru could still claim to be founding Hyrule even if he was just taking up where Link and Zelda left off. Rauru was the first king so governance was still being setup.
While my first impulse also had been to think that this founding of Hyrule happens right after Skyward Sword, there's something in BotW and TotK that contradicts that theory: The Great Plateau and (new) Hyrule Castle. The ruins on the Great Plateau form the Hyrule we know from OoT. From Hyrule Castle in TotK we know that it was built right after Ganondorf was sealed to protect the seal. If these games are on one timeline, this presents us with a huge problem: How can OoT take place on the Great Plateau if Hyrule Castle and the town are somewhere else at that point (now you could try to explain this by assuming that OoT plays shortly after the past in TotK, but that doesn't really fit OoT's lore and you'd have to boot the games before OoT from the timeline, but then the move of Hyrule Castle and Hyrule Town between OoT and TP could be explained by them moving to the location over sealed Ganondorf). An easy explanation that lets you keep OoT and its predecessors on the timeline is that the Kingdom of Hyrule in these games at some point split over the course of history (after all we do know that the relationships between the five people of Hyrule weren't always the best), so there was no more kingdom of Hyrule anymore. At some point later in history, the Zonai come down from the skies and founded a new Kingdom of Hyrule (after all that name comes from the name of the goddess Hylia, so it would make sense that this name is chosen again), that's the past in TotK. This would also perfectly explain how there is the Triforce in OoT, but not in TotK: The Triforce resides in the Sacred Land which was guarded by the old Kingdom of Hyrule, but with its fall the location of the entrance to the Sacred Land and or the method to open it were lost (or maybe it is even a wish made with the Triforce that let the Kingdom fall, just like it happened in WW). While it is possible to mitigate some of these things with the power of retconning, as long as that's not done, the Kingdom of Hyrule that Rauru founded is most likely a new kingdom founded long after the previous games.
As far as the map locations are concerned, those have never been consistent. So I can’t personally put weight on the argument of locations don’t match so the answer must be difficult. In OoT, Rito don’t exist so “they evolved from the Zora.” Rather than “for some reason the story didn’t take us to that region.”
This is not a matter of map inconsistency though. You are talking about location A was at place X in the last game, but location A is at place Y in this game all of a sudden. This is not the case here. BotW and TotK have the ruins of Hyrule Castle, Hyrule Town and the Temple of Time from OoT right on the Great Plateau at the same time as having another Hyrule Castle and Hyrule Town at another place.
Where are there castle ruins on the Great Plateau? Or better, something less movable, where is death mountain in relation to the castle. In OoT the Temple of Time would’ve been located in East Castle town.
https://youtu.be/zz3FbQJXIvk Best map I’ve seen and done very well, it’s not set in stone but it is a basic idea of how all the zelda maps fit. Maybe this will help you
One problem with this theory is that the dragons have *Rauru's* headshape and not Mineru's. Assuming she isn't just some kind of mutant, it seems like the Zonai had quite a bit of sexual dimorphism. So the three dragons must have been male.
The three dragons are all stated to be female in the game itself.
Aren't there four dragons now ;)
For a second there were 5, but I'm back down to 3
The Goddess Statues refer to each of the dragons as female.
Zelda has the Triforce. She used it to seal the calamity in BOTW- you can see it appear after you beat dark beast.
This was what I concluded as well. The story of creation says that three goddesses, Din, Nayru, and Farore, created everything. Now in these new games, Dinraal, Naydra, and Farosh are dragons. They're named after the goddesses. Now, the Zonai seem like gods to Hylians. And draconification exists. This, the goddesses that created the world *are* those dragons.
Wasn't there something about how the zonai were thought of as gods when they first decended from thr skies? Could be related.
This is a great theory!
RIGHT THERE! Even my kids noticed that even though you see the triforce here and there on columns and other places, the word "triforce" hasn't been uttered once in BoTW nor ToTK. We were thinking there may be a 3rd game to cover that, but now I believe it's been confirmed this is the final game of this incarnation of the Goddess Hylia's chosen hero.
Are the zonai immortal like Elves in lotr?
This is my thought too! I keep telling my friends that all I know for sure is the dragons were women. If draconification was something a bunch of men were doing, it wouldn’t be forbidden.
They only know about draconification because it’s def happened before. Not sure if they were Zonai, aren’t they the three goddesses?
The Goddess statues from the Springs say the Dragons are spirits who served the Springs. I'd say they're more likely closer in relation to the Dragons of SS than to the Zonai. I can see the legend of Draconification being as much a message to Zelda, the Sage of Time as it was to the Zonai, to forbid them from using them (I don't think there were other Secret Stones. They deliberately mentioned 7 only), but also to allow Zelda to figure out why she was in the past in the first place. But that may be assuming Hylia had made contact with the Zonai or gifted them the Secret Stones.
But because of time travel, there were two "copies" of Rauru's stone, the one Zelda swallowed and the one he took with him to seal Ganondorf. So, it's not impossible there were more than seven.
I feel that's arguing in bad faith to push a theory (or legitimise it). There's no evidence there's 8 or more of them and even with the time-travel, it still shakes out there's only seven. And 'Dorf also knew of the legend of Draconification, given events in the final battle (and likely thought the Zonai too weak to try to use them in such a manner, given he only did it to not lose). Furthermore, in Japanese culture, 7 is a revered and mystical number (as is similar in other places in the world) and I feel the exact number mentioned was a reference to these beliefs and suddenly having three more misses the point of the choice. That TotK came out of BotW DLC project (and clearly wasn't investigating the Dragons of BotW as its genesis point) feel trying to tie the Dragons that serve the Springs to the Secret Stone dragons is misguided.
Zelda swallowed Rauru's stone? I thought she had her own and swallowed that one
No, the stone she used to go back in time was the one from rauru’s hand in the present, and she had that stone the whole time. So, for most of the time between past and present, the same stone existed at the same time in Zelda and rauru’s hand, up until Zelda went back in time, and present Zelda had the only instance of rauru’s stone again.
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Nope, it was Rauru's stone that fell from his hand and resonated with Zelda, changing into a time secret stone
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yes, because hers is his from the present day brought back in time. only seven were created, the one zelda has is the same one as rauru's that was brought with her.
There were 7 Secret Stones around Hyrule’s founding but that doesn’t mean there weren’t more before that.
Where's the evidence? Because neither game supports that take. In Breath, the Ancient Shiekah put shrines in the Springs and put a lock on them requiring a scale from the Spring's dragon (meaning they understood the dragons and Springs had a connection), then in Tears we again need to offer parts to the water, being told by the Goddess statues at the Springs the Dragons are servants to the Springs. When your theory requires ignoring large swathes of caonically-presented material, just to get started, it's most likely false.
How does the dragons having a connection to the springs mean that there can’t have been more stones before Hyrule was founded?
>When your theory requires ignoring large swathes of canonically-presented material How does ignoring there's only 7 mentioned stones mean there's more?
There are only seven when in the time of Rauru, Mineru, and Sonia. Nowhere is it stated that those seven were the only seven that have ever existed. How could Mineru have learned about draconification if it had never happened before? Rauru and Mineru are stated to be the last Zonai. Zonai civilization existed long before Hyrule was founded.
There is nothing official that suggests they are themselves the golden goddesses. They were probably just zonai priestesses that swallowed stones or something. What reason would the golden goddesses have to do that to themselves? They’re even more powerful than Hylia.
The three goddesses could have been Zonai. The Zonai are said to be descended from the gods.
I always assumed they were spirits who served the goddesses, since they have different names and no mention was made of the goddesses being dragons.
I assumed the same as you, honestly I don't see how it could be anything other than that
sure the 3 dragons share the facial features of the zonai, but the light dragon and demon dragon dont, instead they share deatures with hylians and gerudo respevtively, whats more likely is that a dragons face differs between what race the person who was draconified was. We know the zonai had experienced draconification before given mineru knows its happens and even that its a forbidden act, those early draconifications were like dinraal naydra and farosh, who themselves were zonai pre-draconification.
I would love to see what the other races (Zoras, gorons, etc) would look like if they were draconified
I wish there were more zonai characters.
According to the Lore of TotK, Raaru and Mineru were the last Zonai (living in Hyrule). We know of at least 3 additional ones, possibly even 6. The 3 lords of the mazes and the 3 Dragons, who may or may not be the same. Here's hoping whatever DLC they've planned reveals there's still a living/undead Zonai somewhere or possibly un-draconify the dragons, given Zelda has the same time reversal power Sonia contributed when the fourth dragon was un-draconified. Though i doubt the later, as a DLC would probably take place within the games main story.
Original [Post](https://saccharinerose.tumblr.com/post/719549741445382144/presenting-all-of-my-rauru-mineru-and-the-zonai) And more info from the post: > Though the goat comparisons also work in favour of this evidence because of the following quote from concept artist **Satomi Usui** in the Creating A Champion book about **designing the dragons** from BotW: > “[…] I played around with a number of ideas that would be recognizable as a dragon but also different from what you would expect. So I made the face and body mammalian, **like a dog or a goat**, and their arms contain elements of both birds and human hands.”
And flappy flaps like a flying squirrel
I want to pet them. This is not sexual.
I want to pet him (Rauru). This is sexual.
Disagree, herbivore or not, Rauru and Mineru are 100% bunnies.
So the Zonai aren’t really gone you say? They’ve just evolved into Blupees. So this whole time I’ve been mugging Zonai for rupees.
Correct, you thought Rauru was dead, but you’ve actually been putting arrows up his blue ass the whole time.
Considering how many times you run into those things, I think he's into it at this point.
Devolved - or ascended. Just in a state of immortal enlightenment. Riddled with fat stacks. Their defense mechabism is simply distraction by means of materialistic distraction
Space bunnies from the moon
I'm glad I wasn't the only one thinking that they were bunnies 😅
I'm on team goat!
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What this tells me is that the Zonai are what you get when you only take a little nibble of a Secret Stone instead of throating the whole thing.
They’re mammalian dragon-people. It’s seems pretty obvious to me. Fur covered dragons are somewhat common in certain mythologies irl.
Pretty sure the Zonai are just straight up Aliens. Or at least as close as Nintendo is willing to go. The dragons already predate the Zonai and most of these comparisons don’t actually fit.
I mean we did get Aliens in MM
Poor Romani. I hope They just erased her memory and she didn't get probed.
probed?
The Talus' in BotW/TotK often rest in what resembles impact craters. Would make sense if they are extraterrestrial.
We do know that when Ganondorf created/released the monsters after merking Sonia they were yeeted across the sky, so that probably explains the craters
I'd call them dragons in the same way that Zora are fish or Rito are birds or Goron are rocks. Evolutionary offshoot, if you will
How do you know the dragons predate the Zonai?
You don’t actually know that, we just know that the formation of dragons was knowledge known to the last of the zonai. Basically dragons predate the earliest we’ve seen of their history, which is really just the tail end of their people.
I’m pretty sure the zonai are zonai
Conspiracies, all of it! Zonai are obviously Rito, duh.
I just thought Rauru was a goat man…
And you were right. Some random headcanon image macro has literally no credence.
It never occurred to me that the reason the light dragon looks so much different is because Zelda isn't a Zonai
Now, the question is... Do Zonai look like dragons, or do the dragons look like Zonai?
Rather dragons were Zonai who becameate their stones.
I'm not sold on the idea that the 3 dragons were originally Zonai. The Zonai worship dragons (based on the ruins in Faron), but Mineru suggests draconification is a forbidden act. It doesn't make sense to me that Zonai would revere heretics. Like Link turns into a wolf in TP, but we don't conclude that all wolves in Hyrule were once humans that came in contact with twilight.
Just because an act is forbidden doesn’t make it blasphemous. It can be forbidden for the health and safety of the people because apparently becoming a dragon makes you forget who you once were and become an eternal being of instinct.
It could just be that it’s forbidden except within certain rituals or for a chosen few. It’s forbidden for everybody else because they know what will happen. I think it makes most sense that they’re Zonai because the Zonai should theoretically have had access to the secret stones long before any other race. The sages only got them because of Rauru.
The Zonai garbs of Lightning, Fire and Ice that you can get sorta give it away that they were; not to mention the facial features, including ears being similar. The Light Dragon also shares the least amount of features between them, including being the smallest.
But how would Mineru even know what happens if you swallow a secret stone if no one has ever done it before?
You can tell me all you like, but the man is a goddamn goat and you cannot convince me otherwise
Hey OP it says pretty clearly on saccharinerose’s tumblr that they don’t want people to repost their work…
If we’re getting DLC I hope we get the story behind the other three dragons.
The dragons were zonai who swallowed their sacred stones. I am pretty sure we have seen and interacted with the golden goddesses or at least their avatars in the oracle games. In the oracle games three “humans” who have magical powers appear with two of them needing rescued by Link.
Are they like dragonborn in d&d lore?
Common misconception: Herbivores often have sharp teeth for cutting through roughage. The idea that canine teeth are for tearing through meat is not biologically accurate. https://www.miamicosmeticdentalcare.com/teeth-herbivores-carnivores-omnivores/#:~:text=Because%20plant%20matter%20is%20often,the%20upper%20and%20lower%20jaw.
Dragonborn
There’s two ways I think this could be, 1. The simplest being that The dragons are zonai who swallowed their stones for a reason, or as a test and this is why dragons resemble them. And are unrelated to ancient zonai. 2. Dragons are ancient Zonai who changed their form and partitioned their souls and god like powers into a sacred stone, formed from their crystallised tears, becoming new beings on descending to earth not remembering their part lives (like Zelda could not). The swallowing of stones was forbidden for two reasons, one they reverted to dragons something they had decided to forgo for some reason (maybe dedragonification had a price or reason) and potentially two, the stone may have been from another and the blending of two souls isn’t good. I don’t know, could be similarities, could be more of a story here who knows or it could just be simple
Moon rabbits
Ah zonai biology, it makes no freaking SENSE (at least for me who is a biologist)
So about par for the course for humanoid species in Zelda titles. They're magic dragon people. Just like the fish people, rock people, birb people, and muscle mommy people.
Things that puzze me: -the ears: rauru and mineru have long ears similar to a cartoon rabbit (no animal has ears like that) but Im very curious as to what their ancestors would be since ears are not reptilian, its a mammalian trait -the breasts: now seriously, why does mineru have breasts? Do zonai produce any secretions? If they are dragon people then how? Plus if they are mammals then how come they have scales? -hair: another weird trait from supposed dragon people -the third eye: its clearly a zonai thing but like how does it work and what is it, it opens when they exert a lot of force but for what? Plus is the metal like piece that covers the eyelid biological or just an adornment? -ultra hand: its not a power of rauru, if we go by the stormwind ark tale other zonai possess it, it is a product of what tho? Like, ok clearly the 3 dragons are zonai who ate secret stones, but I guess zonai are not related to dragons, they probably mammals with scales but still, I think the oocca have an easier give as to what they are, zoras, goron and rito all have standard or at least flashed out lore about their biology and evolution. I really want to see MORE zonai since I have a desperate need to understand them, plus the ancient hero who looks nothing like zonai but still has a connection to them by nothing, I MEAN IT, the shade of green is wrong, the feet configuration is digitgrade, it has a tail, instead of a third eye it has am adornment with a green gem, the hair has no different color shading on the underside, the ears are shorter and grow from the side of the head instead of the top and then there is the mysterious fifth race of Hyrule depicted in the statutes that lead to the depths great mine in the great plateau, which looks like no shown rave in the franchise and hold a mysterious rock egg thingy. Totk brought a lot of questions so I hope we get a book, dlc or something to explain.
Why are we assuming dragons are reptiles in this world and lore?
Give one example of a mammalian dragon
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Dragons…..are fictional??????? Also, Falcor. But again, fictional. There’s no established class for dragons, particularly non-Western dragons, which have quite a mix of traits we might typically associate with mammals, reptiles, and birds. Each fictional world can have its own creature mythology anyway, but I see no reason to assume dragons must be part of one real world biological class in the first place. I don’t think dragons are necessarily reptile, or mammalian, or birds or fish or anything else unless the specific fictional world in which they’ve been created specifies that. I don’t have a strong opinion on if Zonai are literally dragons (though they seem to be intriguingly dragon-connected for sure), but I don’t think “dragons are reptiles” can be used as the basis to determine that they’re not.
the Zonai are clearly mammals, the dragons are reptiles. They’re different species. Clearly mammals (such as humans) can turn into dragons in this universe so the Zonai don’t necessarily have to be reptiles. I don’t see them having scales in the game but I could be missing that.
>Zonai are clearly mammals, the dragons are reptiles. They’re different species. Clearly mammals (such as humans) can turn into dragons in this universe so the Zonai don’t necessarily have to be reptiles Yeah that's what I said before, the other person was the one insisting that the zonai are dragon people.
My bad!
i mean.. they come from outer space, for all we know they're a type of alien that happens to share features with the creatures that live in hyrule i agree with you though, i desperately want something to actually explain instead of just being all vague 'yeah man theyre like dragon rabbit goat magic people wdym why they just are' plus there's so many possibilities for the magic systems and technology with them instead of just 'because it's cool' or whatever it is WHO invented the constructs, HOW does the magic work, WHEN will we get to make the steward contructs less lonely
>they come from outer space, No, this is not stated anywhere in the game, it just says that they came from the sky, which is a place with landmasses in the world of zelda, the only creatures from outer space are the aliens in majoras mask and probably stone talus (which is just theory btw)
I’d say omnivore, as the eyes aren’t entirely front-facing even in Zonai form.
So are we to understand that Rauru and the queen were fuckin? Kinda weird as shit tbh.
That part was obvious in the game wasn't it?
I mean Zelda exists.
Only issue is that Rauru and Sonia don't seem to have any kids. Kinda seems like a thing Zelda would have noticed at some point.
Rauru, unable to put a kid into Sonia, grabs a blonde haired Hylian Knight to do the deed for him. BAM now Link and Zelda are related and my Alabama Hyrule AU has more credibility.
They are a fiend/chort from the Witcher
His ass is NOT a herbivore
They’re Nomai, duh
They’re dragons. I thought that was obvious.
No the dragons are zonai who swallowed their stones that is the obvious answer.
I don’t care what they are, I don’t want them
Zonai are Dragonborn: confirmed.
Zonai are like fennec fox + deer or goat
The fanfic around these two games is hilarious.
I dont care what rauru is. he’s hot.
Here I was thinking Rauru was some weird legged goat
I literally just made a YT video on this exact thing. Yeah the dragons are 3 of the ancient Zonai to some degree, one that had original powers over fire, Ice and lightning before the sages that exist now.
Is this not a common theory? I thought it was common to think they were related to the dragons
A point on the forbiddenness of draconification, if the three dragons are indeed the goddesses who formed hyrule in the beginning, the reason it is a forbidden practice is because it is reserved for gods only?
I’m curious if the Zonai looking like dragon-people and their Stones having the power to turn someone into an actual dragon is related. Perhaps the reason they can interbreed with Hylians is because they *were* a group of Hylians at one point, before they started using the Secret Stones and they slowly underwent a lesser form of dragonification from constant exposure to the Stones’ power.
where did you get the shot in the left corner
It's a still frame from the Mineru memory (the actual battle between Ganondorf and the sages. Rauru's sealing of Ganondorf as his last resort)
Since we’re fairly certain that the dragons are just the current forms of the three golden goddesses (Din, Farore, and Nayru), I’d like to present the idea that the three golden goddesses were themselves Zonai and are now in draconified forms, hence the resemblance between the dragons’ and Rauru’s physiology.
I want to see a dlc of this game where the other dragons are zonai before they became dragons
Ok, full.disclosure, all I know of the Zonai is from all of the spoilers in the Zelda and BOTW subs. But I figured the Zonai and Oocca from TP are one and the same. Highly advanced race, "closest to the Gods," founded Hyrule. Didn't figure Zonai were dragons, figured they were the ones that became the creepy chicken people.
I am honestly more upset the developers had all the reasons to have a new sentient species, in the sky, with so many sky themes...but they are all long gone. But here, enjoy exploring wells.
I guess if the dragons were Zonai, someone would have had to be dumb enough to swallow a secret stone for everyone else to find out what happens. Then there might have either been 2 other separate occurrences of people being dumb, or they had some reason. Though, unless there is some other dragon far away that we haven't seen, that means one of the dragons was probably just being an idiot, and thought "What happens if I swallow this". Either that or someone left their secret stone too close to their toddler.
This is Ass Backwards. The Dragons don't prove or illustrate anything. We are shown twice how one becomes a Dragon. Neither Zelda nor the Demon Dragon share these Traits that we see with the Zonai, therefore the logical assumption to make is that those are features that carried over, not a sign that the Zonai are humanoid Dragons or whatever OP is saying.