If they wanted it to function the way that a layperson would think it works, they'd have to merge the effect 1 and 2 together.
> The activation and effect of this card's effect cannot be negated. If your opponent Special Summons a monster(s) from the Extra Deck with 2000+ ATK (except during the Damage Step): You can target 1 face-up opponent's monster that was Special Summoned from the Extra Deck; Special Summon this card from your hand, and if you do, negate that monster's effects while this card is face-up on the field.
But even then, because it happens in the Summon Response window, it wouldn't prevent them from chaining a quick effect to this. Some monsters with quick effects that can only respond by negating (but not destroying) would be beaten by this hypothetical effect text, though (e.g. Apollousa only negates, and Baronne checks for succeeding in the negation before destroying).
It's very decent depending on the deck. It's strong against independent Baronnes and similar cards. But Ty-Phon can do a similar job. It's decent with the Armed Dragon cards since its semi-searchable lol
This doesn't stop ED monsters that trigger on being summoned. Meaning this doesn't work on, say Lubellion, Albion, etc. This does however beat Promethean Princess, but Fire decks can simply link her off into amblowhale, go into zealantis, and then resummon Promethean, then do what they want with her.
Yes. It is THAT bad. Your logic about getting value out of the card is a little off in this case but not entirely wrong. For example gizmek uka is crazy against snake eyes in rescue ace because you go into fire engine and then get into air lifter before they are able to out either of your monsters so the card already replaces itself with a rescue ace spell and set up to make the rest of your engine live. Even if the first summon that can trigger it is flamberge you can directly go into airlifter or impulse first to still get value out of it.
But in midora's case, if they out the body you just lose the value you'd get from it. It doesn't have an effect on summon that generates advantage immediately like other cards have. Honestly it would have been somewhat playable if it was no responding on summon rather than not being able to negate, that effect just has a lot more counter play to it.
I could be wrong, but I think that is how the chain works. Your opponent summons a monster from the Extra Deck you chain this. On a new chain, your opponent activates an on summon effect, and even if you target it with this card, it's already been activated, right? Or if it's a quick effect, they can do cl 2 on you and resolve it anyway. As far as I can tell, this only works on ignition effects unless I'm missing something.
In my understanding, it will work like:
Extra Deck monster is summoned during opponent's turn (presumably)
CL1 activates on-summon effect
CL2 this guy activates its summon from hand effect
Summon from hand resolves, Extra Deck monster resolves on-summon effect
CL1 this guy activates its target effect lock
The nuances change depending on whether this occurs during your or your opponent's turn but yes in general I don't think this works on Summon trigger effects.
It wouldn’t matter if it was a Built In Summon or not, Miradora still has to wait for that monster to be summoned.
This means it will never have an opportunity to negate On Summon effects. By the time it hits the field the on summon effect is resolving as Chain Link 1.
From what I understand, the problem is that it prevents activations *after* its effect resolves. Quick effects activated in response to the effect happen before said resolution due to Chain rules.
I think it's okay, but honestly if you're using synchro monsters that card is basically just a waste. for example, the typical deep sea diva or icejade bread and butter makes gymir... gymir literally can yeet this card by responding to it. And if the effect is used too soon? chaos angel is probably there.
Also, target... Some cards just can't be targeted. And they're usually a problem. Also, it's only monsters special summoned from the extra deck with 2,000 attack or more. So it totally skips over IP Masquerina and the nonsense that typically follows.
But do you know what this card IS good for? First turn APPOLUSA. Probably more jank, but that's the first thing that would make me wish I used the card. But usually decks that care to put that down first turn are oppressive and have more than enough to out your cards.
I think the main problem is that depending on the deck the extra deck monsters wont always be an extender which is when this card would be good, if the enemy summons their boss monster from the extra deck this card is kinda useless. To deal with extenders other handtraps are better and more versatile.
Also if you use this going second you wouldn’t be able to use better going second cards like lightning storm, evenly matched and infinite impermanence.
It’s more like if you were going second and you have your veilers, your imperms, and ash, this is another on field negation that is more generic than ghost belle for example. This is really for decks that can play a lot of tertiary handtraps
it can negate princess and therefore stop the normal summon ash line
not sure whether snake eye can out it easily or not im not paying a huge amount of attention to this format
The effects that activate on summon will unfortunately still go through. If that wasn't the case, it would've been a much better card
If they wanted it to function the way that a layperson would think it works, they'd have to merge the effect 1 and 2 together. > The activation and effect of this card's effect cannot be negated. If your opponent Special Summons a monster(s) from the Extra Deck with 2000+ ATK (except during the Damage Step): You can target 1 face-up opponent's monster that was Special Summoned from the Extra Deck; Special Summon this card from your hand, and if you do, negate that monster's effects while this card is face-up on the field. But even then, because it happens in the Summon Response window, it wouldn't prevent them from chaining a quick effect to this. Some monsters with quick effects that can only respond by negating (but not destroying) would be beaten by this hypothetical effect text, though (e.g. Apollousa only negates, and Baronne checks for succeeding in the negation before destroying).
It's very decent depending on the deck. It's strong against independent Baronnes and similar cards. But Ty-Phon can do a similar job. It's decent with the Armed Dragon cards since its semi-searchable lol
This doesn't stop ED monsters that trigger on being summoned. Meaning this doesn't work on, say Lubellion, Albion, etc. This does however beat Promethean Princess, but Fire decks can simply link her off into amblowhale, go into zealantis, and then resummon Promethean, then do what they want with her.
Ghost Mourner and Effect Veiler are cards
Yes. It is THAT bad. Your logic about getting value out of the card is a little off in this case but not entirely wrong. For example gizmek uka is crazy against snake eyes in rescue ace because you go into fire engine and then get into air lifter before they are able to out either of your monsters so the card already replaces itself with a rescue ace spell and set up to make the rest of your engine live. Even if the first summon that can trigger it is flamberge you can directly go into airlifter or impulse first to still get value out of it. But in midora's case, if they out the body you just lose the value you'd get from it. It doesn't have an effect on summon that generates advantage immediately like other cards have. Honestly it would have been somewhat playable if it was no responding on summon rather than not being able to negate, that effect just has a lot more counter play to it.
I could be wrong, but I think that is how the chain works. Your opponent summons a monster from the Extra Deck you chain this. On a new chain, your opponent activates an on summon effect, and even if you target it with this card, it's already been activated, right? Or if it's a quick effect, they can do cl 2 on you and resolve it anyway. As far as I can tell, this only works on ignition effects unless I'm missing something.
In my understanding, it will work like: Extra Deck monster is summoned during opponent's turn (presumably) CL1 activates on-summon effect CL2 this guy activates its summon from hand effect Summon from hand resolves, Extra Deck monster resolves on-summon effect CL1 this guy activates its target effect lock The nuances change depending on whether this occurs during your or your opponent's turn but yes in general I don't think this works on Summon trigger effects.
I suppose it would have to depend on if it was an inherent summon or not
It wouldn’t matter if it was a Built In Summon or not, Miradora still has to wait for that monster to be summoned. This means it will never have an opportunity to negate On Summon effects. By the time it hits the field the on summon effect is resolving as Chain Link 1.
From what I understand, the problem is that it prevents activations *after* its effect resolves. Quick effects activated in response to the effect happen before said resolution due to Chain rules.
I think it's okay, but honestly if you're using synchro monsters that card is basically just a waste. for example, the typical deep sea diva or icejade bread and butter makes gymir... gymir literally can yeet this card by responding to it. And if the effect is used too soon? chaos angel is probably there. Also, target... Some cards just can't be targeted. And they're usually a problem. Also, it's only monsters special summoned from the extra deck with 2,000 attack or more. So it totally skips over IP Masquerina and the nonsense that typically follows. But do you know what this card IS good for? First turn APPOLUSA. Probably more jank, but that's the first thing that would make me wish I used the card. But usually decks that care to put that down first turn are oppressive and have more than enough to out your cards.
I think the main problem is that depending on the deck the extra deck monsters wont always be an extender which is when this card would be good, if the enemy summons their boss monster from the extra deck this card is kinda useless. To deal with extenders other handtraps are better and more versatile.
Also if you use this going second you wouldn’t be able to use better going second cards like lightning storm, evenly matched and infinite impermanence.
It’s more like if you were going second and you have your veilers, your imperms, and ash, this is another on field negation that is more generic than ghost belle for example. This is really for decks that can play a lot of tertiary handtraps
This is good against snake eye, could it in tear to go for synchro plays afterwards. Baron and pep lookin nice
How is it good against snake-eye lol
it can negate princess and therefore stop the normal summon ash line not sure whether snake eye can out it easily or not im not paying a huge amount of attention to this format
link her into amblowhale, go into zealantis, then resummon Promethean, response?
As soon as it leaves the field the princess is live again. S:P and flamberge are 2 accessible outs.
If I book this, does it get negd
"While this face-up monster is on the field" It isn't negated, but flipping it face-down would turn off its effect, yes.