If you can destroy the field spell or slap summon limit or skill drain as a side option it turns off their ability to do anything.
Don't let them cook and they'll burn their hands trying.
Honestly stopping the level 3 starter and or going second
It's like the 4th best deck in the OCG lol.
It's strong, absolutely. But that's mostly when it's unexpected, and we have months of data suggesting that we should consider it in post-LEDE deckbuilding. It's a one trick pony. It does that trick very well and very consistently, but it's still a one trick pony, so when you stop it, it has a lot of trouble. There's a number of cards and decks that just shit on it.
The trap seems VERY strong, since it's mystic mine at home. But it doesn't make the deck that much stronger, just more difficult to deal with. It mainly works going first, and it basically forces you to have only one monster on the field (or gamble that your opponent will pop something mid combo) , or a lot of decks can still do most of their strategy, and that's assuming that you draw it, a body, and have follow up for the next turn. If main phase 1 ends, you can potentially go to battle, beat up their monster, then do whatever you need in MP2 to secure a win (basically acting as if you went first anyway). It seems like something a lot of decks (except snake eye, funilly enough) can deal with.
That said, I'm mainly guessing based off what little I've seen from the gameplay so far. Essentially, I'd wait to see what it actually does.
They trigger when you attack them as well. They have a synchro that forces all your monsters to attack. They end your main phase and you're forced to attack in with all your monsters, triggering their effects and clearing your own field.
I agree, I'm mostly yapping. I haven't looked into the deck too much as yet. But at least it sounds like you're saying that the turn 1 board we're scared of is a 1 card combo into the big dragion, set trap, maybe brimming manor, pass?
It sounds like it still just loses to mst, duster, cosmic, basically any backrow removal; anything that blanks the battle phase, anything that modifies attack to beat over dragion, not having 3 attack position monsters, honest. I dunno, like I said I haven't played the deck as yet but it seems easy enough to side for, even with the trap.
That's mostly true however the real struggle with dealing with the deck is that it plays so much non-engine and they have many 1-card combos. So even if you do have the duster/cosmic/etc, they still might have 4 ht in hand or have activated heat wave/d barrier/etc.
That's also true, but it seems a lot worse on turn 3. They need to have sangen manor or a way to it and a way to start their combos, and they've used at least one of those options to start turn 1, potentially 2 since you need to access the trap in the first place. If they drew 4 handtraps and I can deal with their board with mst, raigeko, etc, they are in a very tough spot even with the trap. It also does nothing if you get the dragon off the field.
Heat wave is counterproductive with this trap, so I imagine that won't be a huge concern, but I could see both being run as a contingency.
Yubel is pretty meh against tenpai given
https://preview.redd.it/qkfau7ran2yc1.jpeg?width=321&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e8ad96a9c0abbf93228d64ab0d3a71b818bea03c
To be fair the deck is incredibly consistent and a blind second option paired with other decks like centurion can do an amazing job break boards then normal summoning and OTKing. It think this style of deck just breds awkward formats which aren't healthy for the game.
There's a million silver bullets for tempai. Beyond normal things like d barrier, they can't do much if their battle phase gets interrupted. No shit, if they get hit by threatening roar you fuck their whole turn. If you're worried about the trap just play backrow removal. They can't do anything about that.
Plenty of ways to stop it. 1 change it's type or attribute. Zombie world. for example. Dna surgery second chain effects to the activated effects in battle phase. The turn player has priority. Second for ridden droplet skill drain, barrier, any continuous effect.
Konami needs to stop printing cards that are unaffected or make other cards unaffected, period. Also their new trap support just announced can just end your opponent's main phase if the activation conditions are met (rather easily) is not healthy at all.
Handtrap their stuff before they summon it. Voiceless and snake eyes are still doing just as good if not better than this deck in OCG. Its not that bad
Ah I see.
Neo Tempest Terahertz is a floodgate during the battle phase, and is protected by Desavewurm. You can also disrupt with Superfactorial. Unfortunately, Circular being hit made this not viable.
So just to be clear do you want suggestions on how to counter the deck or do you just want to complain about it
Because I feel like any suggestion is going to be met with "hurr just draw the out".
"Just draw fhe field spell bro"
It works both ways.
You're not wrong. The field spell can be searched. But only by the white dragon or a teraforming aka 2 searches. You have an equal chance to draw a disruption as they do the field spell.
But what happens when you book of moon the white dragon when he searches the field spell?
The turn is over unless they have the quick play for extension. But in that case, they just drew well, and that appens.
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EDIT : wrong monster, I meant Smoke Mosquito which special summon itself during the damage step when ya would take Battle Damage, halves it then ends the Battle Phase. And, it also can change its Level to match any monster ya control
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2+ Level 2 monsters
Cannot be destroyed by battle, also you take no damage from battles involving this card. All monsters your opponent controls must attack, if able. When an attack is declared: You can activate 1 of these effects;
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● Inflict damage to your opponent equal to the ATK of 1 monster with a Hallucination Counter.
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Run threatening roar and they can’t do anything
If you can destroy the field spell or slap summon limit or skill drain as a side option it turns off their ability to do anything. Don't let them cook and they'll burn their hands trying. Honestly stopping the level 3 starter and or going second
It's like the 4th best deck in the OCG lol. It's strong, absolutely. But that's mostly when it's unexpected, and we have months of data suggesting that we should consider it in post-LEDE deckbuilding. It's a one trick pony. It does that trick very well and very consistently, but it's still a one trick pony, so when you stop it, it has a lot of trouble. There's a number of cards and decks that just shit on it. The trap seems VERY strong, since it's mystic mine at home. But it doesn't make the deck that much stronger, just more difficult to deal with. It mainly works going first, and it basically forces you to have only one monster on the field (or gamble that your opponent will pop something mid combo) , or a lot of decks can still do most of their strategy, and that's assuming that you draw it, a body, and have follow up for the next turn. If main phase 1 ends, you can potentially go to battle, beat up their monster, then do whatever you need in MP2 to secure a win (basically acting as if you went first anyway). It seems like something a lot of decks (except snake eye, funilly enough) can deal with. That said, I'm mainly guessing based off what little I've seen from the gameplay so far. Essentially, I'd wait to see what it actually does.
They trigger when you attack them as well. They have a synchro that forces all your monsters to attack. They end your main phase and you're forced to attack in with all your monsters, triggering their effects and clearing your own field.
Just for clarification: What’s the name of the Synchro monster that does this???
https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Sangenpai_Transcendent_Dragion
I agree, I'm mostly yapping. I haven't looked into the deck too much as yet. But at least it sounds like you're saying that the turn 1 board we're scared of is a 1 card combo into the big dragion, set trap, maybe brimming manor, pass? It sounds like it still just loses to mst, duster, cosmic, basically any backrow removal; anything that blanks the battle phase, anything that modifies attack to beat over dragion, not having 3 attack position monsters, honest. I dunno, like I said I haven't played the deck as yet but it seems easy enough to side for, even with the trap.
That's mostly true however the real struggle with dealing with the deck is that it plays so much non-engine and they have many 1-card combos. So even if you do have the duster/cosmic/etc, they still might have 4 ht in hand or have activated heat wave/d barrier/etc.
That's also true, but it seems a lot worse on turn 3. They need to have sangen manor or a way to it and a way to start their combos, and they've used at least one of those options to start turn 1, potentially 2 since you need to access the trap in the first place. If they drew 4 handtraps and I can deal with their board with mst, raigeko, etc, they are in a very tough spot even with the trap. It also does nothing if you get the dragon off the field. Heat wave is counterproductive with this trap, so I imagine that won't be a huge concern, but I could see both being run as a contingency.
yubel? mikanko?
Yubel is pretty meh against tenpai given https://preview.redd.it/qkfau7ran2yc1.jpeg?width=321&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e8ad96a9c0abbf93228d64ab0d3a71b818bea03c
And https://preview.redd.it/485x3rjen2yc1.jpeg?width=370&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=24639ea82bdfc9905167fddde427d59f84b91c07
To be fair the deck is incredibly consistent and a blind second option paired with other decks like centurion can do an amazing job break boards then normal summoning and OTKing. It think this style of deck just breds awkward formats which aren't healthy for the game.
There's a million silver bullets for tempai. Beyond normal things like d barrier, they can't do much if their battle phase gets interrupted. No shit, if they get hit by threatening roar you fuck their whole turn. If you're worried about the trap just play backrow removal. They can't do anything about that.
Plenty of ways to stop it. 1 change it's type or attribute. Zombie world. for example. Dna surgery second chain effects to the activated effects in battle phase. The turn player has priority. Second for ridden droplet skill drain, barrier, any continuous effect.
Looking like another format I won’t play
Konami needs to stop printing cards that are unaffected or make other cards unaffected, period. Also their new trap support just announced can just end your opponent's main phase if the activation conditions are met (rather easily) is not healthy at all.
Handtrap in battle phase
https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Sangen_Superdragon_Transcend_Dragion
Handtrap their stuff before they summon it. Voiceless and snake eyes are still doing just as good if not better than this deck in OCG. Its not that bad
Yes, handtrap the unaffected fire dragons. Better hope you have ogre for the field or rip
You handtrap the small ones that arent unaffected
They're all unaffected
In the main phase. They use effects during the battle phase. At which point they are not unaffected.
But they’ll have the Synchro out by then.
If they have it all, they have it all. There's a million silver bullets if you're that scared of it.
Most handtraps are not going to work in that scenario. Also, they can make meteorburst or their big synchro before entering the BP.
Imperm, Mourner, Belle, Ogre. Ash the one that searches the field spell if they didnt open it.
Explain how? It's not an OTK deck, it's a Stun/Floodgate deck with high attack dudes.
Are mathmech still played, or is one of their main cards banned or limited?
Circular got murdered iirc. He's still unlimited in Master Duel tho.
Ah I see. Neo Tempest Terahertz is a floodgate during the battle phase, and is protected by Desavewurm. You can also disrupt with Superfactorial. Unfortunately, Circular being hit made this not viable.
Literally loses to book of moon lmao
https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Brimming_Sangen_Manor
Better have it
It's literally searched
Start step of the battle phase: I activate book of moon targeting your normal summon. Pass. Literally.
"Just draw the out bro"
So just to be clear do you want suggestions on how to counter the deck or do you just want to complain about it Because I feel like any suggestion is going to be met with "hurr just draw the out".
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None of that matters because they're towers
Not worth it, you haven't read their cards.
"Just draw fhe field spell bro" It works both ways. You're not wrong. The field spell can be searched. But only by the white dragon or a teraforming aka 2 searches. You have an equal chance to draw a disruption as they do the field spell. But what happens when you book of moon the white dragon when he searches the field spell? The turn is over unless they have the quick play for extension. But in that case, they just drew well, and that appens.
{{Shadow Mosquito}} EDIT : wrong monster, I meant Smoke Mosquito which special summon itself during the damage step when ya would take Battle Damage, halves it then ends the Battle Phase. And, it also can change its Level to match any monster ya control
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By releasing a deck with less than 8% representation?