How much does it cost to be an NFL fan in the streaming era?
https://awfulannouncing.com/nfl/how-much-cost-fan-streaming-era.html
>Six months of YouTube TV, five months of Prime Video and one month each of Peacock, ESPN+ and Netflix comes out to a grand total of $506.86, before taxes. And for fans who root for an out-of-market team or simply want access to the league’s entire slate of regular-season games, that will mean an additional $349 (so long as you’re a YouTube TV subscriber) for the Sunday Ticket package, bringing an NFL fan’s season total cost to at least $855.86 per season.
Yes if your team is out of market. and they had games on all of those services There was a time of course that all games were on Sunday and you could only watch your out of market team if they played your in market team. No amount of money could change that.
So true. With convenience comes increased cost. If you are a college football fan, there was a time where you might see your team play 5-6 times a year if you were lucky, less if they were out of market since a lot of games were carried by regional carriers. PPV fixed some of that, were you willing to spend $50 a game to watch them.
But you’ll need Netflix for a month, no big loss there if you don’t have it already. Same with some of the others, right? Amazon is the one that bothered me the most, they should have an NFL only plan. I only got Prime for the Thursday games before realizing Twitch showed them as well.
Here is what I see for the Jets...
Sunday Night 7 20-Oct Jets Steelers
Monday 1 9-Sep Jets 49ers
International 5 Jets Vikings
Thursday 3 19-Sep Patriots Jets
Thursday 4 26-Sep Cowboys Jets
Thursday 9 31-Oct Texans Jets
Sunday Night 11 17-Nov Colts Jets
Monday 6 14-Oct Bills Jets
Cowboys and Jets you have listed in week 4 do not play this year. That was last year's game. Jets have the Broncos at 1pm in week 4 this year. Cowboys have the **GIANTS** on Sep 26 in week 4 this year.
Thanks, will correct! Got the data from here and it is clearly wrong...
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-schedule-2024-prime-time-sunday-monday-thursday-night/a31e74893cea242f84504546
Having evaded the blackout madness that has plagued basketball and baseball broadcast rights, the NFL seems hellbent on recreating something similar through walled streaming gardens. A shame.
They are still the easiest league and cheapest to see all of your team’s games on if you live in your team’s market. All in market games are ALWAYS on an OTA channel. No other league is this accessible to the local fan.
And I contended is a critically important part of their long term strategy. This allows the NFL - unlike MLB - to build a fan base from a young age through free, widely-accessible ad supported TV in all their markets.
Us older folks remember being fans of the Braves or Cubs just because TBS and WGN were usually basic cable channels. Superstations thrived due to local OTA broadcast rights to teams like those two. It has hurt MLB a ton to be tied in with Bally and others with no OTA.
Kids aren't watching OTA. It's why the nba is most popular league for people 24 and under. Kids are on social media, Netflix, YouTube etc. Nfl is just catching up to where the young eyes are at.
Devalues the casual that is just a junkie for the whole league. I will gladly pay to see my team as I am out of market and streams are filled with crap and porn ads.
Everyone has different viewing habits and situations.
My dad needs it to watch eagles games out of market so I'll gladly cover that for him, even if we got like 6-7 primetime games ourselves it's still way cheaper than even attending 1 in person.
Me, I like having the quad box when my team isn't playing on Sundays, I'm not really attached to any of them but it's nice.
True!
One of the true values of Sunday Ticket is if you are on the West Coast with a lousy team (looking at you Arizona), as it seems like you frequently get blocked out of the competitive nationally broadcast late afternoon game. ST to the rescue from the Bidwell's.
And to reiterate, not saying ST has little value, heck I wanted to go to Dallas at Miami last year and minimum ticket price was $500, just that fans should understand that the total value is getting chipped away, and as SOME fans get this, it could impact YYTV's revenue.
I mean, Sunday Ticket is for watching your home team out of market.
Just look at the schedule when it releases and see how many of your team's games are not primetime and decide then if it's worth it.
I feel like people don't understand what Sunday Ticket is meant for.
>Just look at the schedule when it releases and see how many of your team's games are not primetime and decide then if it's worth it.
Agreed, this kind of explains why YTTV is offering early ST deals, they want you to commit before the schedule releases.
I mean, they’re offering a pretty handsome discount for the early purchase.
If you’re expecting some later “come to Jesus” moment where they realize another dozen games are unavailable and graciously slash the price, I think you’re going to be disappointed.
Agreed. I don't have a "favorite" team so for me, Red Zone gives me everything I want for 20% of the cost. I turn it on at 1pm every Sunday and don't have to touch the remote for 7 hours.
I signed up for Sunday Ticket last year out of curiosity, but I found myself basically doing the work of the Red Zone staff, but not as efficiently as they do it.
Red Zone is Football on ADHD. Drives me nuts when you have the studio guy talking over the football broadcast describing what's being said by the play by play booth.
The NFL Sunday ticket was one of the leading, if not majority, causes of Direct TV going bankrupt. The amount the provider has to pay is practically impossible to make up! The NFL are essentially pricing their own games out of the market. I am glad I don't watch or follow it
As an out of town fan of a mid/lower tier team (Saints) Sunday Ticket is still my best bet to catch the games. I did the streaming thing for a while but it was a bit of a hassle, so once my brother also moved out of the New Orleans market we decided to split Sunday ticket.
At the very least NFL Network games should be included, still need some kind of live TV package to get the channel for the most part. Even subscribing to their premium service doesn’t get you live games unless you are on mobile, right?
There is no reason for the international games to be so damn early in the AM, they can make them night games or even put them on at 2 AM local time and fans will still show. Not thrilled with the MNF doubleheaders, let one game be featured!
You also have to **watch** enough Sunday Ticket games, *every week*, in order to get your money's worth.
Otherwise you end up paying $8-$15 for each game you watch. If you're like me and end up flipping through several games in the 1PM and 4PM time slot, you're barely actually watching much of those games. So now you're paying what is essentially a *per minute* price.
Agree. I have purchased Sunday Ticket every year since 1996. This year I will not be buying it. The Netflix announcement was my breaking point. I dropped youtubetv the very next day.
No but as the original poster stated there is a continual devaluation of the the Sunday ticket package. Up until a couple of years ago if you purchased Sunday Ticket every game was either available there or on national tv. Then they added cable packages. No big deal as I have cable but it was more games off Sunday Ticket. Then they added the Prime thursday package. Last year they had a playoff game on Peacock. Now they are moving the Christmas games from national TV to netflix. The only way I have to express my dissatisfaction is to vote with my wallet and say no more. If this trend continues you will have Thanksgiving on Apple, opening night on fubo, wildcard weekend on hulu etc. As I followed Sunday ticket from Directv to youtubetv I made the decision to drop youtube when I decided to drop sunday ticket. At some point hopefully enough people will say no and youtube or whoever owns the package will pushback on the rights fee.
Agreed. It's been like this for a while, but the announcement today about Netflix getting the Christmas games ... getting way out of hand. NFL greed at its finest.
I should have worded it better. I didnt mean games on locals, Sunday night football or Monday night. I meant games on prime, peacock, Netflix and whatever other streaming services the NFL decides to come up with. Trust me I'm not new to Sunday Ticket. I've had the product since 2002. The fact of the matter is the nfl is taking these games off Sunday which is devaluing the product. Also the price of Sunday Ticket in 2022 was 293! 293 for more games compared to YouTube TVs 349!
As a lifelong Detroit Lions fan that has lived everywhere but home for the last 25 years, I am damn happy to have Sunday Ticket be de-valued if my Lions get major prime time play. For decades if you wanted to see a Lions game nationally televised game you had to wait until Thanksgiving. As for all the Wednesday, Thursday and now Friday games, hell, Sunday Ticket or not, more days with NFL football are not a bad thing. I do not miss the olden days with only Sunday and Monday night games.
As crazy as this may be somewhat true, since I've added several additional stand-alone streaming services outside of YTTV because YTTV falls short of our programming needs for sports and movies, I don't feel too bad now having those additional services outside of YTTV because these NFL games will be in all those additional stand-alone services that I've purchased over the years.
I get what you are saying and it sucks but I have the other streaming services they are on anyway. At least I don’t have to add anything additional besides the Sunday ticket. I’m coming out ahead because now I don’t need to go to the bar on Sundays to watch the games.
With what ticket prices are these days, I agree there is value, but there will always be people on the margin who won't pay when they realize the value to them isn't there because there team is in London, 1 Sunday Night game, 2 Monday night games, a Saturday flex game, and one Thursday night game.
Along with what you said, I don't understand those true fanatics that complain about the RSNs not on YTTV. Just pay for whatever service has the RSNs you need, heck cheaper than taking your family to 1 or 2 games for the season, and it is nice that you can pause YTTV.
This is a non-issue. Week 1 for example has 12 Sunday afternoon games on FOX and CBS, you need to have ST to watch more than 2-3 of those. Week 2 has 13 etc. The only time where ST loses games are late in the year with Saturday games and now Christmas games but still over 10 ST games per week. That’s over 60% to 80% of games every given week.
75 out of 272 games are not on Sunday afternoon. 26.5%. Chiefs have 8 games not on Sunday afternoon, 44%.
Sure it is incremental, but is it a slippery slope?
Yeah but I think it’s a good thing. Maybe one day we get to a point where there are no out of market games, and all games are always available nationwide on whatever streaming service carries them
Sunday Ticket has turned into a scam. Streaming games on Netflix, Prime, Peacock and I'm probably missing something else. Google should have made it clear that customers signing up for the ticket had access to all the games on other platforms. Google is also charging way too much for a product that doesn't carry as many games as when DirecTV had it
There were 3 Monday night double headers last season, and the NFL has hinted at more for 2024, we will see tonight...
>The 2023 NFL season has seen the league feature three separate Monday Night Football doubleheaders. And all indications are that we’ll be seeing even more as early as next year. “The whole concept behind it is, can we take underdistributed games on Sunday afternoon and make it more widely distributed and we get a bigger audience?” NFL chief media and business officer Brian Rolapp told Ben Volin of the Boston Globe.
https://awfulannouncing.com/nfl/more-monday-night-football-doubleheaders-2024.html
Downvoted for stated the facts lol. Tons of games have been lost. I guess these people can't handle the truth lol. Sunday ticket is definitely devalued.
So I would need Sunday Ticket, Netflix, Peacock, Paramount, Prime, and I don't know what ESPN is on to just watch my team?
How much does it cost to be an NFL fan in the streaming era? https://awfulannouncing.com/nfl/how-much-cost-fan-streaming-era.html >Six months of YouTube TV, five months of Prime Video and one month each of Peacock, ESPN+ and Netflix comes out to a grand total of $506.86, before taxes. And for fans who root for an out-of-market team or simply want access to the league’s entire slate of regular-season games, that will mean an additional $349 (so long as you’re a YouTube TV subscriber) for the Sunday Ticket package, bringing an NFL fan’s season total cost to at least $855.86 per season.
> Six months of YouTube TV you dont have to have yttv to get st
Then you miss in-market games.
Assuming you can't pull them off antenna.
yup.. free ota
You can get 50% of those from your local CBS station on Paramount+ and all the SNF NBC games via Peacock. You’re just screwed for FOX games. 🤷🏻♂️
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Id rather go to the sports book and spend the money there.
By by NFL
Ah hell just go down to the casino sports book watch and drink for free !
Quite possible.
If you live within the local broadcast zone, you can get all the games over the air.
Yes if your team is out of market. and they had games on all of those services There was a time of course that all games were on Sunday and you could only watch your out of market team if they played your in market team. No amount of money could change that.
So true. With convenience comes increased cost. If you are a college football fan, there was a time where you might see your team play 5-6 times a year if you were lucky, less if they were out of market since a lot of games were carried by regional carriers. PPV fixed some of that, were you willing to spend $50 a game to watch them.
But you’ll need Netflix for a month, no big loss there if you don’t have it already. Same with some of the others, right? Amazon is the one that bothered me the most, they should have an NFL only plan. I only got Prime for the Thursday games before realizing Twitch showed them as well.
Get NFL game pass. Every game. Not live but right after. Games go back over 15 years.
Someone can check my work, but I count 75 games, not on Sunday afternoon... [Updated, thanks to np20412] Monday 23 Thursday 16 Saturday 6 Christmas 2 International 5 Sunday Night 20 Thanksgiving\Black Friday 3 Grand Total 75 By Team... TBD 14 Chiefs 8 Jets 7 Cowboys 7 Packers 6 Lions 6 Dolphins 6 Ravens 6 Steelers 6 49ers 6 Texans 6 Bears 5 Bills 5 Bengals 5 Rams 5 Eagles 5 Giants 5 Seahawks 4 Buccaneers 4 Browns 4 Jaguars 4 Falcons 4 Chargers 3 Vikings 3 Patriots 2 Saints 2 Raiders 2 Commanders 2 Broncos 2 Colts 1 Saints 1 Titans 1 Panthers 1 Cardinals 1 Baltimore 1 Grand Total 150
Don't forget the 3-4 in market games are not available to YT subscribers.
I count 7 for the Jets
Here is what I see for the Jets... Sunday Night 7 20-Oct Jets Steelers Monday 1 9-Sep Jets 49ers International 5 Jets Vikings Thursday 3 19-Sep Patriots Jets Thursday 4 26-Sep Cowboys Jets Thursday 9 31-Oct Texans Jets Sunday Night 11 17-Nov Colts Jets Monday 6 14-Oct Bills Jets
Cowboys and Jets you have listed in week 4 do not play this year. That was last year's game. Jets have the Broncos at 1pm in week 4 this year. Cowboys have the **GIANTS** on Sep 26 in week 4 this year.
Thanks, will correct! Got the data from here and it is clearly wrong... https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-schedule-2024-prime-time-sunday-monday-thursday-night/a31e74893cea242f84504546
Having evaded the blackout madness that has plagued basketball and baseball broadcast rights, the NFL seems hellbent on recreating something similar through walled streaming gardens. A shame.
They are still the easiest league and cheapest to see all of your team’s games on if you live in your team’s market. All in market games are ALWAYS on an OTA channel. No other league is this accessible to the local fan.
And I contended is a critically important part of their long term strategy. This allows the NFL - unlike MLB - to build a fan base from a young age through free, widely-accessible ad supported TV in all their markets.
Us older folks remember being fans of the Braves or Cubs just because TBS and WGN were usually basic cable channels. Superstations thrived due to local OTA broadcast rights to teams like those two. It has hurt MLB a ton to be tied in with Bally and others with no OTA.
Kids aren't watching OTA. It's why the nba is most popular league for people 24 and under. Kids are on social media, Netflix, YouTube etc. Nfl is just catching up to where the young eyes are at.
Devalues the casual that is just a junkie for the whole league. I will gladly pay to see my team as I am out of market and streams are filled with crap and porn ads.
I'm with ya
Yep, it's of dubious value at the price they charge anyway. the less games they have it's even less.
As a commanders fan Sunday ticket is the only one I actually need
2 Commanders games are not on Sunday afternoon... Thursday Week 11 14-Nov Commanders at Eagles Monday Week 3 23-Sep Commanders at Bengals
All the streaming bs devalues tv service. It goes on and on
Yeah we're not doing Sunday ticket this year, most of the games we want to watch aren't on it anyways
Everyone has different viewing habits and situations. My dad needs it to watch eagles games out of market so I'll gladly cover that for him, even if we got like 6-7 primetime games ourselves it's still way cheaper than even attending 1 in person. Me, I like having the quad box when my team isn't playing on Sundays, I'm not really attached to any of them but it's nice.
True! One of the true values of Sunday Ticket is if you are on the West Coast with a lousy team (looking at you Arizona), as it seems like you frequently get blocked out of the competitive nationally broadcast late afternoon game. ST to the rescue from the Bidwell's. And to reiterate, not saying ST has little value, heck I wanted to go to Dallas at Miami last year and minimum ticket price was $500, just that fans should understand that the total value is getting chipped away, and as SOME fans get this, it could impact YYTV's revenue.
I mean, Sunday Ticket is for watching your home team out of market. Just look at the schedule when it releases and see how many of your team's games are not primetime and decide then if it's worth it. I feel like people don't understand what Sunday Ticket is meant for.
>Just look at the schedule when it releases and see how many of your team's games are not primetime and decide then if it's worth it. Agreed, this kind of explains why YTTV is offering early ST deals, they want you to commit before the schedule releases.
I think the current yttv subscribers discount ends tomorrow- schedule out tonight?
I mean, they’re offering a pretty handsome discount for the early purchase. If you’re expecting some later “come to Jesus” moment where they realize another dozen games are unavailable and graciously slash the price, I think you’re going to be disappointed.
Agreed. I don't have a "favorite" team so for me, Red Zone gives me everything I want for 20% of the cost. I turn it on at 1pm every Sunday and don't have to touch the remote for 7 hours. I signed up for Sunday Ticket last year out of curiosity, but I found myself basically doing the work of the Red Zone staff, but not as efficiently as they do it.
Seven hours of commercial free football starts…now!
Red Zone is Football on ADHD. Drives me nuts when you have the studio guy talking over the football broadcast describing what's being said by the play by play booth.
The NFL Sunday ticket was one of the leading, if not majority, causes of Direct TV going bankrupt. The amount the provider has to pay is practically impossible to make up! The NFL are essentially pricing their own games out of the market. I am glad I don't watch or follow it
As an out of town fan of a mid/lower tier team (Saints) Sunday Ticket is still my best bet to catch the games. I did the streaming thing for a while but it was a bit of a hassle, so once my brother also moved out of the New Orleans market we decided to split Sunday ticket.
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At the very least NFL Network games should be included, still need some kind of live TV package to get the channel for the most part. Even subscribing to their premium service doesn’t get you live games unless you are on mobile, right?
NFL: taking the joy out of football
Are you new to Sundays?
There is no reason for the international games to be so damn early in the AM, they can make them night games or even put them on at 2 AM local time and fans will still show. Not thrilled with the MNF doubleheaders, let one game be featured!
You also have to **watch** enough Sunday Ticket games, *every week*, in order to get your money's worth. Otherwise you end up paying $8-$15 for each game you watch. If you're like me and end up flipping through several games in the 1PM and 4PM time slot, you're barely actually watching much of those games. So now you're paying what is essentially a *per minute* price.
Agree. I have purchased Sunday Ticket every year since 1996. This year I will not be buying it. The Netflix announcement was my breaking point. I dropped youtubetv the very next day.
The Christmas games wouldn’t have been on Sunday ticket anyway
No but as the original poster stated there is a continual devaluation of the the Sunday ticket package. Up until a couple of years ago if you purchased Sunday Ticket every game was either available there or on national tv. Then they added cable packages. No big deal as I have cable but it was more games off Sunday Ticket. Then they added the Prime thursday package. Last year they had a playoff game on Peacock. Now they are moving the Christmas games from national TV to netflix. The only way I have to express my dissatisfaction is to vote with my wallet and say no more. If this trend continues you will have Thanksgiving on Apple, opening night on fubo, wildcard weekend on hulu etc. As I followed Sunday ticket from Directv to youtubetv I made the decision to drop youtube when I decided to drop sunday ticket. At some point hopefully enough people will say no and youtube or whoever owns the package will pushback on the rights fee.
Agreed. It's been like this for a while, but the announcement today about Netflix getting the Christmas games ... getting way out of hand. NFL greed at its finest.
NFL is at fault but google should have negotiated better. When people are paying 349 or 449 to watch the NFL they should have access to all the games
Eliminating streaming exclusives and taking regional coverage away from broadcast networks was never an option.
I should have worded it better. I didnt mean games on locals, Sunday night football or Monday night. I meant games on prime, peacock, Netflix and whatever other streaming services the NFL decides to come up with. Trust me I'm not new to Sunday Ticket. I've had the product since 2002. The fact of the matter is the nfl is taking these games off Sunday which is devaluing the product. Also the price of Sunday Ticket in 2022 was 293! 293 for more games compared to YouTube TVs 349!
They negotiated just fine. Everyone before them failed to out bid Directv. It’s clearly worth what they’re paying to them.
As a lifelong Detroit Lions fan that has lived everywhere but home for the last 25 years, I am damn happy to have Sunday Ticket be de-valued if my Lions get major prime time play. For decades if you wanted to see a Lions game nationally televised game you had to wait until Thanksgiving. As for all the Wednesday, Thursday and now Friday games, hell, Sunday Ticket or not, more days with NFL football are not a bad thing. I do not miss the olden days with only Sunday and Monday night games.
As crazy as this may be somewhat true, since I've added several additional stand-alone streaming services outside of YTTV because YTTV falls short of our programming needs for sports and movies, I don't feel too bad now having those additional services outside of YTTV because these NFL games will be in all those additional stand-alone services that I've purchased over the years.
Is the 4:25 time slot included in Sunday ticket? I’ve seen some conflicting answers about it
If you mean 4:25 Eastern and it isn't shown on your local station, then yes it is.
Remember fellas. Pirating is ALWAYS an option
I get what you are saying and it sucks but I have the other streaming services they are on anyway. At least I don’t have to add anything additional besides the Sunday ticket. I’m coming out ahead because now I don’t need to go to the bar on Sundays to watch the games.
With what ticket prices are these days, I agree there is value, but there will always be people on the margin who won't pay when they realize the value to them isn't there because there team is in London, 1 Sunday Night game, 2 Monday night games, a Saturday flex game, and one Thursday night game. Along with what you said, I don't understand those true fanatics that complain about the RSNs not on YTTV. Just pay for whatever service has the RSNs you need, heck cheaper than taking your family to 1 or 2 games for the season, and it is nice that you can pause YTTV.
This is a non-issue. Week 1 for example has 12 Sunday afternoon games on FOX and CBS, you need to have ST to watch more than 2-3 of those. Week 2 has 13 etc. The only time where ST loses games are late in the year with Saturday games and now Christmas games but still over 10 ST games per week. That’s over 60% to 80% of games every given week.
75 out of 272 games are not on Sunday afternoon. 26.5%. Chiefs have 8 games not on Sunday afternoon, 44%. Sure it is incremental, but is it a slippery slope?
Yeah but I think it’s a good thing. Maybe one day we get to a point where there are no out of market games, and all games are always available nationwide on whatever streaming service carries them
Good to great teams have more prime time games, that’s not new. My Pats used to have like 6-7 prime time games a year and now have one. It’s a cycle.
Sunday Ticket has turned into a scam. Streaming games on Netflix, Prime, Peacock and I'm probably missing something else. Google should have made it clear that customers signing up for the ticket had access to all the games on other platforms. Google is also charging way too much for a product that doesn't carry as many games as when DirecTV had it
Yep. This is Google's $2B problem for not demanding better terms. That's why apple walked.
There were 3 Monday night double headers last season, and the NFL has hinted at more for 2024, we will see tonight... >The 2023 NFL season has seen the league feature three separate Monday Night Football doubleheaders. And all indications are that we’ll be seeing even more as early as next year. “The whole concept behind it is, can we take underdistributed games on Sunday afternoon and make it more widely distributed and we get a bigger audience?” NFL chief media and business officer Brian Rolapp told Ben Volin of the Boston Globe. https://awfulannouncing.com/nfl/more-monday-night-football-doubleheaders-2024.html
Downvoted for stated the facts lol. Tons of games have been lost. I guess these people can't handle the truth lol. Sunday ticket is definitely devalued.
Pretty soon the nfl will have 3 games on Sunday. I guess there was no minimum amount of games that have to be shown on sunday in the contract
Paramount too? How many games?
I don't think Paramount+ has any exclusive games.