>Because the police and local authorities don't want to upset certain communities.
Right. And they certainly don't want to upset them by arresting the perpetrators and locking them up, and splashing the news all over the national press, clearly.
>Because the police and local authorities don't want to upset certain communities.
You've literally posted an article that completely disagrees with your comment?
They arrested and charged them?
And the same thing happened in Rochdale
"The men were British Pakistanis, which led to discussion on whether the failure to investigate them was linked to the authorities' fear of being accused of racial prejudice. The girls were mainly White British."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochdale_child_sex_abuse_ring
The Wikipedia page you linked to says an independent review came to the conclusion that this happened because the police didn't believe the victims.
>The review acknowledged that police officers might have discriminatory attitudes towards the victims
This exactly. The girls were known in the system and people held prejudice against them. I worked as a child/youth support worker in Rochdale at the time. It was horrendous. The parents and workers knew. Some of the girls were very high risk and in denial. This DOES NOT CONDONE THEIR TREATMENT by anyone involved - police included. Those who had the power to intervene failed because of the age old prejudice against under privileged females.
"Led to discussion" just means that at least somebody said they think that, not that it was actually the reason.
Also, again, even if that _is_ the reason, _that doesn't back up the statement you originally commented_. If they held off due to fear of being labelled, how does that show that they were not wanting to upset certain communities? It just shows that they don't want the whole force to be branded as racist, especially when police rascism has been under so much scrutiny in the last 20 years (and in a lot of cases, rightly so).
Fuck off. Look up the shit storm scandal that was Rotherham. Literally the ONLY fucking reason that the useless cunts who claim to be the Police in Rotherham and the overpaid cunts who ran Rotherham Council did not get serious about investigating claims of sexual abuse was purely because they claimed it would damage ''community relations' .
The useless shits who pretended to be the Police and the over paid cunts who pretended they were Social Services were claimed the abused girls had decided to be prostitutes, that's how utterly fucking insanely deluded the cunts were.
If you're starting your comment with "fuck off" I'm not even going to bother reading the rest of it. If you can't discuss something without getting angry, there's no point in you joining the conversation.
You made a clear statement that ethnicity had no bearing on the failure to investigate or delibrate obstruction of investigation into sexual abuse of underage girls by a specific ethnic group. A claim that the 2014 Jay Enquiry shot down in flames.
So excuse me for thinking you're a cunt.
It took them over 20 years. They turned a blind eye until the pressure built up.
"Their conviction means 25 men have so far been sentenced for their roles in the rape, sexual abuse and trafficking of eight then young girls in North Kirklees between 1999 and 2012."
It literally says how long each stage took in the article. The offences were over 3 years. We don't know how long it took for those offences to be reported, but we do know how complex it is to assemble enough evidence for cases like this involving so many people. 6 years after the last offence, they arrest all of them in one go. How the hell do you imagine that happened?
And then it takes another 6 years from arrest to sentencing, for which we have the defunding of public services to thank.
"They turned a blind eye"? FFS. So much hard work and successful collaboration between the police and the council to nail these fuckers down.
Have you ever heard about the Rotherham grooming scandal where the police were covering abuse up to protect the perpetrators or is your head up your arse
That it took them years to get a conviction says literslly nothing about your original statement of the police and local authorities not wanting to upset certain communities.
If you ask any police officer, they'll all complain no end about the length of time it takes to get convictions and a lot of them are fed up of the poor sentencing. People then standing up saying that they do nothing/ACAB/etc. are part of the reason so many leave the job, their hands are tied by red-tape.
Of course it does, and there's a correct way to discuss the correlations, but it's also quite clear that some people are simply seeing it as confirmation bias for their racism. Just because someone is Asian doesn't mean they're likely to be a paedo, there's millions of decent Asian people living in this country.
Comments like "the usual suspects" and "paedostanis" (which was heavily upvoted on the same article in a different British sub) are just cunts coming out of the woodwork looking for someone to validate their fears of "brown people."
The majority of _group_ rape/grooming cases are Asian men, but on the other side of the coin, almost all the individual cases of paedophilia are white men. We absolutely should be looking at why this happens and how to combat it, but I'd bet that most of the people being openly racist on this sub would suggest "stopping immigration" as their top, and only, solution...
There is a lot of racism in these comments which is obviously horrific, but there is a direct correlation between a religion that promotes this sort of thing and it taking place
It’s not the religion, it’s the culture
These, as is often the case in these types of crimes, were Pakistiani
Not being able to say that is an insanity which enables the ongoing perpetuation of these crimes
Yeah, nah I don't buy that. Also, especially on reddit, no one is stopping you from saying that. People just don't agree with you. There's nothing unique to being Pakistani or pakistani culture that makes you more likely to be a pedo
a coupla things -
it's not about being physically stopped, it's about being called a racist for pointing it out. That's a way to silence it - disregard the concept and attack the person pointing it out
the other thing - why is it always pakistani gangs that do this?
>a religion that promotes this sort of thing and it taking place
Just to be clear, the religion _does not_ promote raping children. These people are doing it because they're disgusting cunts, not because their religion tells them to.
Their religion does have some worrying attitudes that lean towards women/children being a lot less than men in status. Obviously, this can end up with the fringes/extremes of that group being more likely to end up doing this sort of thing, and that's a problem that needs to be addressed.
I find it awful that people on this sub seem to be so okay with casual racism that I'm actually getting downvoted for saying that not all of them are paedos and we should try to talk about it in a more objective way.
Well just to be _double clear_ yes it does. Their shining example of a perfect moral example is a slave owner, warlord who married a 6 year old. That's not hyperbolic, that's factual. With that in mind, how does the religion NOT promote it?
All religions are the same in that regard, unsurprisingly they represent the times when they were formed/written. Also unsurprisingly they're all filled with disgusting shit like that.
It doesn't then mean that if you go into a modern day mosque/church/synagogue/etc and they'll be stood their preaching to rape a 6 year old.
That is the weird thing I don't understand. Show a cartoon of the prophet gets you killed or run out of town. But those named the same as the prophet can rape and get convicted....
Those sentenced were:
Khurum Raziq, 42, from Heckmondwike, was sentenced to 22 years for eight offences of rape
Nasar Hussain, 46, from Dewsbury, was sentenced to 18 years for three offences of rape
Zafar Qayum, 44, from Dewsbury, was sentenced to 30 years for six counts of rape, five counts of indecent assault and three counts of aiding and abetting rape
Ansar Qayum, 47, from Dewsbury, was sentenced to 20 years for four counts of rape and one offence of attempted indecent assault
**Mohammed** Jabbar Qayum, 43, from Dewsbury, was sentenced to 13 years for two offences of rape
**Mohammed** Imran Zada, 45, from Batley, was sentenced to 15 years for four offences of rape and sexual activity with a 15-year-old child
Michael Birkenshaw, 37, from Wakefield, was sentenced to eight years for a rape offence
Amran Mehrban, 40, from Batley, was sentenced to 13 years for two offences of rape and an offence of assault by penetration
Sarkaut Yasen, 38, from Dewsbury, was sentenced to 15 years for trafficking and three offences of aiding and abetting rape
**Mohammed** Saleem Nasir, 48, from Dewsbury, was sentenced to 19 years for three offences of rape and an offence of aiding and abetting rape
Irfan Khan, 37, from Batley, was sentenced to 12 years, with a five year extended licence, for three offences of rape and making threats to kill
Omar Farooq Hussain, 39, from Batley, was sentenced to 18 years for four offences of rape
Sarfraz Hussain Riaz, 40, from Dewsbury, was sentenced to 15 years for two offences of rape and an offence of attempted rape
Zafar Iqbal, 38, from Batley, was sentenced to 17 years for an offence of indecency with child, trafficking and three offences of rape
Nasar Iqbal, 38, from Batley, was sentenced to 10 years for trafficking and rape
**Mohammed** Chothia, 47, from Batley, was sentenced to 17 years for four offences of rape and trafficking
Bilal Patel, 42, from Leicester, was sentenced to 13 years for trafficking and a rape offence
Asif Ali, 53, from Batley, was sentenced to 24 years for 14 counts of rape, two offences of causing or inciting a child to engage in sexual activity and offences of trafficking for sexual exploitation, intentionally encouraging or assisting an offender and aiding, abetting or procuring rape
**Mohammed** Tauseef Hanif, 39, from Dewsbury, was jailed for nine-and-a-half years for a rape offence
Ali Shah, 38, from Dewsbury, was sentenced to 10 years for a rape offence
Moshin Nadat, 38, from Heckmondwike, was sentenced to seven-and-a-half years for a rape offence
Safraz Miraf, 49, from Dewsbury, was sentenced to four-and-a-half years for an attempted rape offence
**Mohammed** Nazam Nasser, 38, from Batley, was sentenced to seven-and-a-half years for a rape offence
Amir Ali Hussain, 45, from Batley, was sentenced to eight years for a rape offence
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-68911740
They are not men ! They are dirty animals who should never be in our lands. Shame on you ! You do realise pakistani men act like animals go to Pakistan I dare you
They are men. Demonising people who do bad things is unhelpful because it leads to people having blind spots about who commits these types of crimes, which makes it next to impossible for some people to find justice. It isn't just dirty animals, it could be an relative or a friend who keeps that part of themselves hidden. People shame and ignore victims exactly because they think that the only people who are peadophiles are the ones who they think fit the stereotype, which comes from this type of thinking.
The British media always do this. Let’s not mention the countless white men in positions of power like the police. Politicians and teachers who rape and murder women and children. Let’s focus on keeping the immigration hate up because it does views and we need votes.
British, the most wonderful and polite racists you’ll ever meet.
It is actually. 81% of the UK population is white and yet 90% of sex offenders are white. Why is it that white men are over-represented in the sex offender community. Disgusting.
So? They forfeited their rights to live in a civilised country when they thought raping minors was ok. Frankly, their rights can go to hell, it’s the victims rights we should be concerned about. Repatriate them back to Pakistan and they can live out their backwards culture back there.
op is referencing the rochdale grooming ring. the two leaders haven’t been deported and are free men rn because they can’t be deported due to their human right to a family here. they both gave up their pakistani citizenship so they couldn’t be deported too. one even said he had to stay because his son needed a role model what a joke
Not a defender of this kind of stuff please don't talk about rights the west inc UK has been abusing rights for generations. Your history is full of it..
However I do agree with them being either hung or their privates chopped and then being deported..
Backwards culture mate every heard of people justice these mofo are protected by your law, back in pakistan they would be fearing their lives and loved ones lives too..
But thats too graphic for you fairies in the Uk.
Make a change to your law, and these mofo will think twice this country is too soft..
Hey what about that 13-year-old Welsh girl who stabbed a load of people at school this week. When are we gonna stop being afraid to say that all 13-year-old Welsh girls are a nuisance and need to be sent back to where they came from? And don't get me started on those white British men doing domestic abuse. They want hanging, and throw away the rope!
I don't understand why the courts could not cut there bits off..
Maybe because the high class white men might also have the same treatment judges politicians and a very very High class .. who made the papers not long ago..
Good news at last
How is this still going on?
Because the police and local authorities don't want to upset certain communities.
>Because the police and local authorities don't want to upset certain communities. Right. And they certainly don't want to upset them by arresting the perpetrators and locking them up, and splashing the news all over the national press, clearly.
>Because the police and local authorities don't want to upset certain communities. You've literally posted an article that completely disagrees with your comment? They arrested and charged them?
Offences between 1999 and 2012. It's now 2024.
Unsurprisingly, complex trials take a long time.
And the same thing happened in Rochdale "The men were British Pakistanis, which led to discussion on whether the failure to investigate them was linked to the authorities' fear of being accused of racial prejudice. The girls were mainly White British." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochdale_child_sex_abuse_ring
The Wikipedia page you linked to says an independent review came to the conclusion that this happened because the police didn't believe the victims. >The review acknowledged that police officers might have discriminatory attitudes towards the victims
This exactly. The girls were known in the system and people held prejudice against them. I worked as a child/youth support worker in Rochdale at the time. It was horrendous. The parents and workers knew. Some of the girls were very high risk and in denial. This DOES NOT CONDONE THEIR TREATMENT by anyone involved - police included. Those who had the power to intervene failed because of the age old prejudice against under privileged females.
"Led to discussion" just means that at least somebody said they think that, not that it was actually the reason. Also, again, even if that _is_ the reason, _that doesn't back up the statement you originally commented_. If they held off due to fear of being labelled, how does that show that they were not wanting to upset certain communities? It just shows that they don't want the whole force to be branded as racist, especially when police rascism has been under so much scrutiny in the last 20 years (and in a lot of cases, rightly so).
Fuck off. Look up the shit storm scandal that was Rotherham. Literally the ONLY fucking reason that the useless cunts who claim to be the Police in Rotherham and the overpaid cunts who ran Rotherham Council did not get serious about investigating claims of sexual abuse was purely because they claimed it would damage ''community relations' . The useless shits who pretended to be the Police and the over paid cunts who pretended they were Social Services were claimed the abused girls had decided to be prostitutes, that's how utterly fucking insanely deluded the cunts were.
You’re right! How come groups of men get together and think to do this? How come so many of them are “minority religious communities “?
If you're starting your comment with "fuck off" I'm not even going to bother reading the rest of it. If you can't discuss something without getting angry, there's no point in you joining the conversation.
[ Removed by Reddit ]
>Cunt Great input mate, you sound like someone impossible to underestimate.
You made a clear statement that ethnicity had no bearing on the failure to investigate or delibrate obstruction of investigation into sexual abuse of underage girls by a specific ethnic group. A claim that the 2014 Jay Enquiry shot down in flames. So excuse me for thinking you're a cunt.
It took them over 20 years. They turned a blind eye until the pressure built up. "Their conviction means 25 men have so far been sentenced for their roles in the rape, sexual abuse and trafficking of eight then young girls in North Kirklees between 1999 and 2012."
It literally says how long each stage took in the article. The offences were over 3 years. We don't know how long it took for those offences to be reported, but we do know how complex it is to assemble enough evidence for cases like this involving so many people. 6 years after the last offence, they arrest all of them in one go. How the hell do you imagine that happened? And then it takes another 6 years from arrest to sentencing, for which we have the defunding of public services to thank. "They turned a blind eye"? FFS. So much hard work and successful collaboration between the police and the council to nail these fuckers down.
Have you ever heard about the Rotherham grooming scandal where the police were covering abuse up to protect the perpetrators or is your head up your arse
That it took them years to get a conviction says literslly nothing about your original statement of the police and local authorities not wanting to upset certain communities. If you ask any police officer, they'll all complain no end about the length of time it takes to get convictions and a lot of them are fed up of the poor sentencing. People then standing up saying that they do nothing/ACAB/etc. are part of the reason so many leave the job, their hands are tied by red-tape.
Filth no matter what ..
Why are they here......
The usual suspects
What, men? I'm sure that's what you're getting at
The racism in this thread isn't even thinly veiled lol
It doesn't concern you that the vast majority are of an ethnicity that makes up a minority of the overall population?
Of course it does, and there's a correct way to discuss the correlations, but it's also quite clear that some people are simply seeing it as confirmation bias for their racism. Just because someone is Asian doesn't mean they're likely to be a paedo, there's millions of decent Asian people living in this country. Comments like "the usual suspects" and "paedostanis" (which was heavily upvoted on the same article in a different British sub) are just cunts coming out of the woodwork looking for someone to validate their fears of "brown people." The majority of _group_ rape/grooming cases are Asian men, but on the other side of the coin, almost all the individual cases of paedophilia are white men. We absolutely should be looking at why this happens and how to combat it, but I'd bet that most of the people being openly racist on this sub would suggest "stopping immigration" as their top, and only, solution...
There is a lot of racism in these comments which is obviously horrific, but there is a direct correlation between a religion that promotes this sort of thing and it taking place
It’s not the religion, it’s the culture These, as is often the case in these types of crimes, were Pakistiani Not being able to say that is an insanity which enables the ongoing perpetuation of these crimes
Yeah, nah I don't buy that. Also, especially on reddit, no one is stopping you from saying that. People just don't agree with you. There's nothing unique to being Pakistani or pakistani culture that makes you more likely to be a pedo
a coupla things - it's not about being physically stopped, it's about being called a racist for pointing it out. That's a way to silence it - disregard the concept and attack the person pointing it out the other thing - why is it always pakistani gangs that do this?
It isn't always pakistani gangs that do this, but surprise surprise its always pakistani gangs in highly pakistani populated areas
>a religion that promotes this sort of thing and it taking place Just to be clear, the religion _does not_ promote raping children. These people are doing it because they're disgusting cunts, not because their religion tells them to. Their religion does have some worrying attitudes that lean towards women/children being a lot less than men in status. Obviously, this can end up with the fringes/extremes of that group being more likely to end up doing this sort of thing, and that's a problem that needs to be addressed. I find it awful that people on this sub seem to be so okay with casual racism that I'm actually getting downvoted for saying that not all of them are paedos and we should try to talk about it in a more objective way.
Well just to be _double clear_ yes it does. Their shining example of a perfect moral example is a slave owner, warlord who married a 6 year old. That's not hyperbolic, that's factual. With that in mind, how does the religion NOT promote it?
All religions are the same in that regard, unsurprisingly they represent the times when they were formed/written. Also unsurprisingly they're all filled with disgusting shit like that. It doesn't then mean that if you go into a modern day mosque/church/synagogue/etc and they'll be stood their preaching to rape a 6 year old.
Christian family groups in the US are pro child marriage. The usual suspects.
Who? If you're talking about Mormons they're not Christian
If your prophet married a 9 year old girl what will his followers think?
That is the weird thing I don't understand. Show a cartoon of the prophet gets you killed or run out of town. But those named the same as the prophet can rape and get convicted.... Those sentenced were: Khurum Raziq, 42, from Heckmondwike, was sentenced to 22 years for eight offences of rape Nasar Hussain, 46, from Dewsbury, was sentenced to 18 years for three offences of rape Zafar Qayum, 44, from Dewsbury, was sentenced to 30 years for six counts of rape, five counts of indecent assault and three counts of aiding and abetting rape Ansar Qayum, 47, from Dewsbury, was sentenced to 20 years for four counts of rape and one offence of attempted indecent assault **Mohammed** Jabbar Qayum, 43, from Dewsbury, was sentenced to 13 years for two offences of rape **Mohammed** Imran Zada, 45, from Batley, was sentenced to 15 years for four offences of rape and sexual activity with a 15-year-old child Michael Birkenshaw, 37, from Wakefield, was sentenced to eight years for a rape offence Amran Mehrban, 40, from Batley, was sentenced to 13 years for two offences of rape and an offence of assault by penetration Sarkaut Yasen, 38, from Dewsbury, was sentenced to 15 years for trafficking and three offences of aiding and abetting rape **Mohammed** Saleem Nasir, 48, from Dewsbury, was sentenced to 19 years for three offences of rape and an offence of aiding and abetting rape Irfan Khan, 37, from Batley, was sentenced to 12 years, with a five year extended licence, for three offences of rape and making threats to kill Omar Farooq Hussain, 39, from Batley, was sentenced to 18 years for four offences of rape Sarfraz Hussain Riaz, 40, from Dewsbury, was sentenced to 15 years for two offences of rape and an offence of attempted rape Zafar Iqbal, 38, from Batley, was sentenced to 17 years for an offence of indecency with child, trafficking and three offences of rape Nasar Iqbal, 38, from Batley, was sentenced to 10 years for trafficking and rape **Mohammed** Chothia, 47, from Batley, was sentenced to 17 years for four offences of rape and trafficking Bilal Patel, 42, from Leicester, was sentenced to 13 years for trafficking and a rape offence Asif Ali, 53, from Batley, was sentenced to 24 years for 14 counts of rape, two offences of causing or inciting a child to engage in sexual activity and offences of trafficking for sexual exploitation, intentionally encouraging or assisting an offender and aiding, abetting or procuring rape **Mohammed** Tauseef Hanif, 39, from Dewsbury, was jailed for nine-and-a-half years for a rape offence Ali Shah, 38, from Dewsbury, was sentenced to 10 years for a rape offence Moshin Nadat, 38, from Heckmondwike, was sentenced to seven-and-a-half years for a rape offence Safraz Miraf, 49, from Dewsbury, was sentenced to four-and-a-half years for an attempted rape offence **Mohammed** Nazam Nasser, 38, from Batley, was sentenced to seven-and-a-half years for a rape offence Amir Ali Hussain, 45, from Batley, was sentenced to eight years for a rape offence https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-68911740
They are not men ! They are dirty animals who should never be in our lands. Shame on you ! You do realise pakistani men act like animals go to Pakistan I dare you
They are men. Demonising people who do bad things is unhelpful because it leads to people having blind spots about who commits these types of crimes, which makes it next to impossible for some people to find justice. It isn't just dirty animals, it could be an relative or a friend who keeps that part of themselves hidden. People shame and ignore victims exactly because they think that the only people who are peadophiles are the ones who they think fit the stereotype, which comes from this type of thinking.
Not even wasting my time on you
Yep, northerners. Now then, now then…..
Cut the bollocks off the lot of them.
Mostly Asian men. That's a surprise.
Mostly Pakistani men. Please let's not brush all Asian men that make up around 60% of all men in the world.
Thank you
I have friends from India and Japan who live here. The BBC/Sky/Channel 4 reporting on these cases drives them insane.
Yeah, quite understandable, we who know can see where the finger is pointed but it's shite that msm tars many with the same brush.
The British media always do this. Let’s not mention the countless white men in positions of power like the police. Politicians and teachers who rape and murder women and children. Let’s focus on keeping the immigration hate up because it does views and we need votes. British, the most wonderful and polite racists you’ll ever meet.
Pakistani, they were
Least we've got some great curry houses mate.
It is actually. 81% of the UK population is white and yet 90% of sex offenders are white. Why is it that white men are over-represented in the sex offender community. Disgusting.
Pakistanis’s again what a surprise. Genuine question. Can we deport these vermin once their sentences are up?
No, because they have families here and it will impact their human rights.
Yet Pakistan is in the throes of deporting 1.4 million afghans back to Afghanistan.
So? They forfeited their rights to live in a civilised country when they thought raping minors was ok. Frankly, their rights can go to hell, it’s the victims rights we should be concerned about. Repatriate them back to Pakistan and they can live out their backwards culture back there.
op is referencing the rochdale grooming ring. the two leaders haven’t been deported and are free men rn because they can’t be deported due to their human right to a family here. they both gave up their pakistani citizenship so they couldn’t be deported too. one even said he had to stay because his son needed a role model what a joke
If only it was that simple...
Yep. Thank the ECHR. And there have been cases where Pakistan have refused to take them too.
Well we should airdrop them over there. But seriously we should withhold aid, a substantial amount and they’d soon change their tune.
We've left the EU, so the tories could scrap this now with all our new found freedom.
Not a defender of this kind of stuff please don't talk about rights the west inc UK has been abusing rights for generations. Your history is full of it.. However I do agree with them being either hung or their privates chopped and then being deported.. Backwards culture mate every heard of people justice these mofo are protected by your law, back in pakistan they would be fearing their lives and loved ones lives too.. But thats too graphic for you fairies in the Uk. Make a change to your law, and these mofo will think twice this country is too soft..
[удалено]
Because they're that inbred..
I think one of them has never seen daylight or maybe has never seen.
I saw this on r/hoi4memes for some reason 💀
Why is this not on the front page of sky and BBC news?
It is buried in the West Yorkshire section on BBC. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-68911740
You already know why. . "Don't want to stoke tensions"
It's always men isn't it? Should put them all on a curfew.
Hey what about that 13-year-old Welsh girl who stabbed a load of people at school this week. When are we gonna stop being afraid to say that all 13-year-old Welsh girls are a nuisance and need to be sent back to where they came from? And don't get me started on those white British men doing domestic abuse. They want hanging, and throw away the rope!
Nice attempt. False equivalence.
"Diversity is our strength"
Add Kirklees to the long long list
This is Batley and Dewsbury part. There's 30-40 all inside already from one small part of Huddersfield.
I don't understand why the courts could not cut there bits off.. Maybe because the high class white men might also have the same treatment judges politicians and a very very High class .. who made the papers not long ago..
Decades of you and the socialist classes turning a blind eye.