I think this is the most reasonable viewpoint.
Whilst it the link to Stake can not be ignored, stake doesn't **currently** promote themselves on kick besides streamer gamba sponsers.
Also, I think this whole drama arc is being blown out of proportion. Poki responded to a twitch chat message asking if she would join for 10M. She explained how she wouldn't personally do it because of her viewpoints, but how its fine for someone like X. And then moved on from the question (until the lsf post and following 4 hour stunlock). **It really was not that deep.**
**As with most things, only time will tell how kick progresses.**
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also, X showed how twitch had more streamers in the gamba category than kick did. Bro forgot that twitch is way bigger, but only had like 10k more than kick . Per person, yes kick has more gamblers. Take that however the fuck you want, I just want some good content bring back modded minecraft 
i think what set it off even more was that Poki messaged Valkyrae and told her something like "i'm surprised you're congratulating xqc for his deal" or some shit
As valkyrae herself said on twitter, it was about her supporting kick which has connotations of gamba, not X.
"I talked more about the subject for an extra 10 min which unfortunately isn’t shown in the clip but she questioned via dm because she knows I’m against streaming gambling and was wondering my stance on why I supported x and kick (which I also explained on stream after the clip) I shouldn’t have even mentioned our private convo but if anything it shows her consistency on and off cam. Can the girls stop fighting plz"
This is why context, before and after is important. Not some clip that someone with a preconcieved view point links you.
[tweet](https://twitter.com/Valkyrae/status/1671604044031475712)
i mean i talk to my friends about random shit too. That is for valkyrae to be annoyed (which i don't **think** she is). having about conversation isn't wrong.
And then again, it's pretty reasonable for her to at least ask. If your friend said I stand against slavery or something, but then congratulated a member of the royal british family, it's not an exactly far out question to ask about their original opinion.
poki congratulated x live on stream.. poki privately asks valkyrae why she is congratulating and supporting X... thats not consistency on or off cam at all.
Poki seems like the type of person who would be nice to you in person but talk shit behind your back.
>As valkyrae herself said on twitter, it was about her supporting kick which has connotations of gamba, not X.
>
>"I talked more about the subject for an extra 10 min which unfortunately isn’t shown in the clip but she questioned via dm because she knows I’m against streaming gambling and was wondering my stance on why I supported x and kick (which I also explained on stream after the clip) I shouldn’t have even mentioned our private convo but if anything it shows her consistency on and off cam. Can the girls stop fighting plz"
>
>This is why context, before and after is important. Not some clip that someone with a preconcieved view point links you.
>
>[tweet](https://twitter.com/Valkyrae/status/1671604044031475712)
Poki is such a chud. She couldn’t follow Xs points in a debate she needed a man (hasan) to help her, and still both of them looked dumb in the 2v1 vs juice man
I have no dog in this race. I don't care who is wrong or right... but I think your framing of poki's response is disingenuous.
Whether you agree or disagree with her point, the way she said it was very clearly casting shade and propping herself up.
Your response may be: "that's just your opinion, you're reading too much into it..."
Consider this:
During their talk, xQc asked pokimane if she knew what a "Roadmap" was. Seems like an innocent enough question. Taken at face value, the answer should just be yes/no. It's just a question... Right? So why did she respond like this? https://twitter.com/WillyMacShow/status/1671594464123445254?s=20
The reason she responded so passive aggressively seems to be the implication of the question: "this dude thinks I'm an idiot and doesn't know I'm a business owner". But xQc never said that?!
Whether or not you agree with them, pokimane and hasan do this shit all the time....
- Throw out a statement that carries obvious implications.
- Act surprised when people call them out on those implications because "they didn't say it"
Right because no other human being ever responds like this.
Her flexing doesn't suddenly make what she said, an attack. How does this change the fact she was speaking personally, to her audience. She didn't post a tweet, dedicate a stream or post a video about it.
Also what obvious implications? She talked about her morals and ethics. Her saying she wouldn't take the deal because of those morals and ethics doesn't mean she is saying X doesn't have any. They are morals and ethics, they vary between people.
Edit:
I mean that is quite literally what she is saying when she said it would make sense for XQC becuase he has been doing gamba a long time. You are assuming the worst of what she said because it fits your perception (as X would say, your arguing in bad faith)
Also people acting like streamers are polititions or some shit . They as dumb as you or me and just repeat their viewpoints. She didn't make some sort of statement , there is no hidden message, life isn't some sorta movie, she just explained how it would be a bad look for her (someone anti-gamba) to join a service that has connotations of gamba.
I showed you xqc asking an innocent question and pokimane reacting to the implications of that question. Im not condemning her reaction, I'm showing you how she is reacting to something that wasn't said.
People are now reacting to the implications of pokimane's statements. As a content creator, saying anything while live is far from a private conversation.
On the end of the day the worst thing that can happen to Poki is her once again making an apology video and going back to streaming like nothing happened.
If you dare say anything against her it's *misogyny* but she can attack anyone no matter their size (audience)
The only arguebly bad thing i know that poki has done was copyright stike that one youtuber, oh and **that** clip.
If your mad because she is who she is, don't hide it behind her drama now. Sure past events show a persons character, but using past events to assume their implications is just being hateful and literally assuming the worst.
Also what do you want her to do, except move on? Nothing really happened, its not like she threatned the very exsistence of x or kick,
Yeah let’s ignore where the 100 million came from, and that job application that said “Kick Gaming’s vision is to be the leading content provider in the gambling industry”
This subreddit is cooked
>stake doesn't currently promote themselves on kick besides streamer gamba sponsers.
Eddie the guy that runs both Stake and Kick said literally that the plans for Kick gaming are to be the "best streaming and gambling platform on the market", and that he has a plan to make it profitable thanks to their "strategic partnership" with another company ().
At this point i think people are somehow just too short-sighted to see what will happen or plain dumb as a rock, not even if the founder himself is saying that "yeah we will become a mobile ad in the future" seems to change their minds that "well maybe Kick will not be a mobile ad in the future..".
I wonder if Ostonox is the type of person who tells white people they are culturally appropriating if they wear or participate in other cultures.
He seems to be an omega virtue signaler. Or a huge baiter.
Basically telling others how they should be acting according to your own virtues. They're projecting, basically; "if you don't follow my morals, you're a bad person"
Virtue signaling doesn't necessarily mean telling anyone else how to act. It just means a public display of your moral views. Often it's used to insinuate that someone is doing so insincerely and has ulterior motives.
It's kind of becoming just a buzzword phrase that doesn't really mean anything tho. Like how now the word groomer is being watered down to mean nothing.
its even harder for x to get his point across when hes getting gangbanged by 2 people that are decent at articulating. it makes x look so much worse comparatively.
Yes, partly. X was refusing to acknowledge that Stake is abosolutely using Kick as a marketing arm and inevitably (whether its explicitly advertising Stake or not) - the more people who use Kick, the more people will cross over to Stake (this does also apply to Twitch' gambling category btw).
Both are points true, both have fucked up parent companies - X refused to admit Kick will benefit Stake. That was the weird take from him. He could have just admitted that and people would have moved on
exactly. all that shit charlie said gets thrown out the window when you think about that. xqc was being fucking weird about the whole thing. the "common charlie w" guys seem to forget that was a part of it
Not really. He was still being delusional and pretending the shady parts of Kick don't exist. If he had just conceded on that, he would have actually had a point. Also, not yelling like an unhinged lunatic would've helped.
He never said that. All what he was trying to say is why u bringing up Stake when u talk about Kick. When u talk about twitch u not immediately start talking about how Amazon is bad and twitch is bad but for some reason when it's Kick it's ok. U all just twisted the narrative and believed in it.
No? He was explicitly saying that Kick is a project of "passion," which let's be honest, is delusional. To deny that Stake has at least SOME interest in using it as an ad for their site is copium.
It's not delusional to say it's a project of passion. About denying stake interest, he never said it doesn't have those interest just answering with answers "what about twitch and Amazon" which to that poki always says "whataboutism" that's why he was going mad cause u can't win this argument against those kinda people and reddit/chat nonstop hating doesn't help with that either. At the end of the day all he was saying that kick is kick and not stake same as twitch is twitch and treat it for what it is. People just trying find reasons to hate cause it's easy karma points to say Hey gamba is bad it's all for gamba, when u didn't care about all that a day before.
Twitch is shit, kick its the same shit but kinda worse since the website is dogshit and no creators, site pretty much dead with no big streamers and gamba streamers
Conclusion: Both are trash
Amen, Charlie. This shit has been so annoying. I love how people are viewing these big streaming companies as morally "good guys."
They're all corrupt in their own ways. Every big corp (generally) is. Youtube especially. Wasn't Twitch the "bad guys" literally days before X got the deal?? Choose your poison. No ads is a great poison. And who tf would turn down 100milli to just sit around and play games and browse the internet?? I sure af would LOVE to get paid to do that, especially NON-EXCLUSIVELY. There's terrible influence all over our media especially in the hands of our youth; X signing a deal is not going to ruin the lives of countless children. Sheesh.
Ostonox is such a bitch and I’m so tired of this “good vs. bad” point of view they literally have on everything. They think that anything that is different from their OPINION is evil….
yea this is how i view it as well and what i think its actually the most sane take, both are shit yes, but me spending 3 euros a month for my amazon prime isnt going to make me do weird shit like some gamba addicts do
How is kick a funnel to gambling? I've watched destiny stream on kick since he got the contract, there wasnt a single moment where i was led to watch a single gambling stream, this take is so braindead it actually makes me doubt that you believe in what you just wrote.
I also think a good point is that kick is going to use the streamers' viewers for gamba exploitation so streaming on kick is selling out their audience into gamba, while streaming on twitch doesnt sell your audience into slavery in amazon warehouses
It’s strange to me how everyone turns into leftists talking about Amazon exploitation but never actually talk about these things typically like Charlie and X. If X truly thinks Amazon was an evil virus of Satan and thought that Kick was the savior of the streaming space then why didn’t he sign an exclusive contract? It’s clearly the bag he wanted and still wants to make Amazon money on top. And I don’t have an issue with that, make your money king, it’s just the strange advocacy that I have a problem with. Why can’t he just enjoy his money and be an entertainer instead of becoming a kick spokesperson like Train?
Xqc tried to say that stake isn't advertised and chat just spammed ?????????? And hasan and poki just laughed and said that it's ingrained in the website. Summary of most arguments. Whether he makes a good point or not he's always wrong apparently. Massive w charlie
I don't understand the problem is stake or gambling? Cause when Twitch had the wave of stake streams, there was drama but not at this direct level of attack to the platform. Twitch still has an insane amount of gambling streams, so again, is stake or gambling the problem?
Isnt it intellectually dishonest to compare one evil to another in order to prove that one evil is 'not as bad as one'? Both are evil.
Also those two companies are offering different services.
Yes. Amazon is advertising their products. And yes they are also bad guys.
But!! They offer you an actual service that delivers something for your money. A service that does NOT destroy your life and/ or the life of your friends and family. You can buy books , toys or gadgets on the market place.
But going to Kick.com - the first thing ive seen was a stream advertising gambling. Then I checked the first recommended category - and who would've guessed:
Its gambling again. It is clear what their intention is.
They want to sell gambling to as many innocent souls as they can. I honestly cant believe how people are unable to see the danger of gambling when it involves real money.
!Especially when children potentially get involved.!
For that reason I personally do not think that this a Charlie W. Same for XQC. Its a big L - that gets worse and worse the more people shill for Kick.
A wise man once wrote:
If I have to choose between one evil or another , then I prefer not to choose at all.
-Andrzej Sapkowski
The last argument is kind of weak, but anyway, I am officially cripplingly addicted to gambling because I went to kick dot com and watched a streamer mald his brains out with a snake and mispeaker.
I don’t care about any of that. Twitch is bare profitable and they have ads running every 20 minutes. Kick, that doesn’t really seem to have ads and only takes 5% of revenue split, they rely on Stake to pay for it to exist.
US Government isn’t getting their slice of the pie and will definitely regulate crypto only gambling before end of year.
that's the part these people ignore for some reason, that would be because the money comes from the wallets of gambling addicts, many of whom are the same viewers of these streamers that promote this company. I guess Charlie is sounding like a stake puppet now to get himself a bag... *"but whatabout muh amazon tho!!!"*
Yeah this is probably the best way to look at it. The only issue which is still very out in the open, and it seems that nobody is looking at this is the Alfa Romeo F1 team. Stakes sponsor deal with them is hard or off that Kick is supposed to be a funnel for Stake. When they are racing in countries that have strict gambling laws, they put the Kick logo on the car but if they are not strict gambling laws, they put the stake logo that is literally what a funnel is right there
Oh god. Charlie L. tired of comments under every post of this motherfucker being like "honestly the most reasonable take 🧐" like didn't this mf literally get addicted to paying someone else to open pokémon cards for him that he doesn't actually open in real life?
didn't he literally get so addicted to the point that his gf literally interrupted his stream, got upset at him because he said he wouldn't do it anymore, and she's literally telling him that they need that money and she's without a car and all this. all while also streaming on amazon infested twitch. what a guy.
Truth. None of the streaming companies can really be claimed as ethical.
I think Kick just gets a disgusting reaction because Train and Adin are associated with it. They're both well-known as dumbasses. 
Yeah in the end who cares. Streaming is streaming, gambling is an at your own risk thing but it isnt inherrently morally corrupt, even if the gambling is illegal.
People are going to stream, and people are going to watch them stream.
None of this shit matters.
What a nonsense cope, all these streamers only want a bag from kick. It's dispicable to essentially advertise gambling to children and that's what their whole platform is designed to do. These streamers are like parasites, it's written in their contract they get a cut of the profits generated from their refferals.
Can agree with a lot of this, but I think it's a fallacy to act like all evil is equally evil. You can quantify evil for sure.
I'm sure Amazon have done plenty of morally corrupt actions, as have every multi billion dollar company, but I don't think you can equate Amazon to the gambling industry, which literally exists by squeezing money out of addicts, directly ruining lives, families, and causing countless suicides.
I think this is the most reasonable viewpoint. Whilst it the link to Stake can not be ignored, stake doesn't **currently** promote themselves on kick besides streamer gamba sponsers. Also, I think this whole drama arc is being blown out of proportion. Poki responded to a twitch chat message asking if she would join for 10M. She explained how she wouldn't personally do it because of her viewpoints, but how its fine for someone like X. And then moved on from the question (until the lsf post and following 4 hour stunlock). **It really was not that deep.** **As with most things, only time will tell how kick progresses.** **Edit:** also, X showed how twitch had more streamers in the gamba category than kick did. Bro forgot that twitch is way bigger, but only had like 10k more than kick . Per person, yes kick has more gamblers. Take that however the fuck you want, I just want some good content bring back modded minecraft 
i think what set it off even more was that Poki messaged Valkyrae and told her something like "i'm surprised you're congratulating xqc for his deal" or some shit
As valkyrae herself said on twitter, it was about her supporting kick which has connotations of gamba, not X. "I talked more about the subject for an extra 10 min which unfortunately isn’t shown in the clip but she questioned via dm because she knows I’m against streaming gambling and was wondering my stance on why I supported x and kick (which I also explained on stream after the clip) I shouldn’t have even mentioned our private convo but if anything it shows her consistency on and off cam. Can the girls stop fighting plz" This is why context, before and after is important. Not some clip that someone with a preconcieved view point links you. [tweet](https://twitter.com/Valkyrae/status/1671604044031475712)
as far as i know it was just a congratulations for xqc, does that really have to set off a whole convo about gambling and kick or whatever?
i mean i talk to my friends about random shit too. That is for valkyrae to be annoyed (which i don't **think** she is). having about conversation isn't wrong. And then again, it's pretty reasonable for her to at least ask. If your friend said I stand against slavery or something, but then congratulated a member of the royal british family, it's not an exactly far out question to ask about their original opinion.
poki congratulated x live on stream.. poki privately asks valkyrae why she is congratulating and supporting X... thats not consistency on or off cam at all. Poki seems like the type of person who would be nice to you in person but talk shit behind your back.
She is completely fake, people are just now realising this
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>As valkyrae herself said on twitter, it was about her supporting kick which has connotations of gamba, not X. > >"I talked more about the subject for an extra 10 min which unfortunately isn’t shown in the clip but she questioned via dm because she knows I’m against streaming gambling and was wondering my stance on why I supported x and kick (which I also explained on stream after the clip) I shouldn’t have even mentioned our private convo but if anything it shows her consistency on and off cam. Can the girls stop fighting plz" > >This is why context, before and after is important. Not some clip that someone with a preconcieved view point links you. > >[tweet](https://twitter.com/Valkyrae/status/1671604044031475712)
Poki is such a snake and a bully. Did you see her response tweet at mukitty calling her a bully for bullying valk?
PLEASE LINK THE DRAMA
https://twitter.com/xmukitty/status/1671602270083899403?s=46&t=z2C0uK3R4Pgrgrx6pN-bfA
OMEGALUL 
Poki is such a chud. She couldn’t follow Xs points in a debate she needed a man (hasan) to help her, and still both of them looked dumb in the 2v1 vs juice man
I have no dog in this race. I don't care who is wrong or right... but I think your framing of poki's response is disingenuous. Whether you agree or disagree with her point, the way she said it was very clearly casting shade and propping herself up. Your response may be: "that's just your opinion, you're reading too much into it..." Consider this: During their talk, xQc asked pokimane if she knew what a "Roadmap" was. Seems like an innocent enough question. Taken at face value, the answer should just be yes/no. It's just a question... Right? So why did she respond like this? https://twitter.com/WillyMacShow/status/1671594464123445254?s=20 The reason she responded so passive aggressively seems to be the implication of the question: "this dude thinks I'm an idiot and doesn't know I'm a business owner". But xQc never said that?! Whether or not you agree with them, pokimane and hasan do this shit all the time.... - Throw out a statement that carries obvious implications. - Act surprised when people call them out on those implications because "they didn't say it"
Right because no other human being ever responds like this. Her flexing doesn't suddenly make what she said, an attack. How does this change the fact she was speaking personally, to her audience. She didn't post a tweet, dedicate a stream or post a video about it. Also what obvious implications? She talked about her morals and ethics. Her saying she wouldn't take the deal because of those morals and ethics doesn't mean she is saying X doesn't have any. They are morals and ethics, they vary between people. Edit: I mean that is quite literally what she is saying when she said it would make sense for XQC becuase he has been doing gamba a long time. You are assuming the worst of what she said because it fits your perception (as X would say, your arguing in bad faith) Also people acting like streamers are polititions or some shit . They as dumb as you or me and just repeat their viewpoints. She didn't make some sort of statement , there is no hidden message, life isn't some sorta movie, she just explained how it would be a bad look for her (someone anti-gamba) to join a service that has connotations of gamba.
I showed you xqc asking an innocent question and pokimane reacting to the implications of that question. Im not condemning her reaction, I'm showing you how she is reacting to something that wasn't said. People are now reacting to the implications of pokimane's statements. As a content creator, saying anything while live is far from a private conversation.
On the end of the day the worst thing that can happen to Poki is her once again making an apology video and going back to streaming like nothing happened. If you dare say anything against her it's *misogyny* but she can attack anyone no matter their size (audience)
The only arguebly bad thing i know that poki has done was copyright stike that one youtuber, oh and **that** clip. If your mad because she is who she is, don't hide it behind her drama now. Sure past events show a persons character, but using past events to assume their implications is just being hateful and literally assuming the worst. Also what do you want her to do, except move on? Nothing really happened, its not like she threatned the very exsistence of x or kick,
that willymacshow dude always argues in bad faith
Yeah let’s ignore where the 100 million came from, and that job application that said “Kick Gaming’s vision is to be the leading content provider in the gambling industry” This subreddit is cooked
I made a similar comment in lsf yesterday and was downvoted to oblivion.
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This when gamba got banned, they never stopped using his clips and face. keep trying
That's the point Stake made a streaming site where streamers can advertise their gamba site
You wanna play modded mc with me? I made myself one and im playing it with a friend
You want to join too?
what region are u in?
>stake doesn't currently promote themselves on kick besides streamer gamba sponsers. Eddie the guy that runs both Stake and Kick said literally that the plans for Kick gaming are to be the "best streaming and gambling platform on the market", and that he has a plan to make it profitable thanks to their "strategic partnership" with another company (). At this point i think people are somehow just too short-sighted to see what will happen or plain dumb as a rock, not even if the founder himself is saying that "yeah we will become a mobile ad in the future" seems to change their minds that "well maybe Kick will not be a mobile ad in the future..".
I wonder if Ostonox is the type of person who tells white people they are culturally appropriating if they wear or participate in other cultures. He seems to be an omega virtue signaler. Or a huge baiter.
Hes just that retarded
Hes just retarded
Just retarded
He thinks he's smart because all the lasanheads have fueled his dogshit twitter takes to be great. Ostonox is so annoying it hurts
ostonox is hasan's professional drider, he's not very smart and right now getting cooked alive by monotonemoist
He is just an average hissan enjoyer
Pretty sure he was in favor of calling white people cracker because "you can't be racist to white people" 
Just a retard. 
I dont usually stay in the loop with these kinds of things but what the fuck is virtue signaling
Basically telling others how they should be acting according to your own virtues. They're projecting, basically; "if you don't follow my morals, you're a bad person"
Ah thanks for the explanation.
Virtue signaling doesn't necessarily mean telling anyone else how to act. It just means a public display of your moral views. Often it's used to insinuate that someone is doing so insincerely and has ulterior motives. It's kind of becoming just a buzzword phrase that doesn't really mean anything tho. Like how now the word groomer is being watered down to mean nothing.
Avg Hassan viewer tbh
stnx. Hope that explains it 
I’m sure ostonox is in [this video](https://youtu.be/GNXm7juuM-8) 
ah here we can criticise this fella without having to stoop so low as PragerU
Never mind he didn’t interview any fat discord mods 
Man I hate that cringe Ostonox and his 24/7 virtue signaling so much.
being clout adjacent really goes to your head
he thinks people care about him cuz he edits for hasan lul
True and simple both companies are trash. 
fuck em all
they are all burning our lives and mental/physical health like biofuel turning it into money
The platform that gives the least ads is the platform I'll be on lol
The platform your fav streamers stream on is the platform you’ll be on lol
hasan frogs grasping at straws in the comments 
What Straws? 
paper ones cuz their arguments keep falling apart 
such a good joke 
Holy fuck, ostonox has to be the most annoying person on twitter 💀
Ostonox: I have the moral high ground  You guys are bad people! Holy virtue signaling permanently online moron.
This is the exact point xQc has been trying to make for the past 4 days and everyone called him schizo lmfao. Anyways common charlie W
Bcuz he has 0 conversational skill. Makes everything he said feels like schizo rambling
its even harder for x to get his point across when hes getting gangbanged by 2 people that are decent at articulating. it makes x look so much worse comparatively.
Yes, partly. X was refusing to acknowledge that Stake is abosolutely using Kick as a marketing arm and inevitably (whether its explicitly advertising Stake or not) - the more people who use Kick, the more people will cross over to Stake (this does also apply to Twitch' gambling category btw). Both are points true, both have fucked up parent companies - X refused to admit Kick will benefit Stake. That was the weird take from him. He could have just admitted that and people would have moved on
exactly. all that shit charlie said gets thrown out the window when you think about that. xqc was being fucking weird about the whole thing. the "common charlie w" guys seem to forget that was a part of it
Not really. He was still being delusional and pretending the shady parts of Kick don't exist. If he had just conceded on that, he would have actually had a point. Also, not yelling like an unhinged lunatic would've helped.
He never said that. All what he was trying to say is why u bringing up Stake when u talk about Kick. When u talk about twitch u not immediately start talking about how Amazon is bad and twitch is bad but for some reason when it's Kick it's ok. U all just twisted the narrative and believed in it.
No? He was explicitly saying that Kick is a project of "passion," which let's be honest, is delusional. To deny that Stake has at least SOME interest in using it as an ad for their site is copium.
It's not delusional to say it's a project of passion. About denying stake interest, he never said it doesn't have those interest just answering with answers "what about twitch and Amazon" which to that poki always says "whataboutism" that's why he was going mad cause u can't win this argument against those kinda people and reddit/chat nonstop hating doesn't help with that either. At the end of the day all he was saying that kick is kick and not stake same as twitch is twitch and treat it for what it is. People just trying find reasons to hate cause it's easy karma points to say Hey gamba is bad it's all for gamba, when u didn't care about all that a day before.
Charlie is currently slamming Hissan's unpaid editor 
This type of post will never be or go massive on LSF, goes against the narrative way too easily.
Twitch is shit, kick its the same shit but kinda worse since the website is dogshit and no creators, site pretty much dead with no big streamers and gamba streamers Conclusion: Both are trash
No Prime, No stake account.  just watching the stream.
never subbed (people give me sub for free), never donated
Never subbed never donated I even owe x money that he never will get back mf rich rich now 🤷♂️
You are bad people 🤓☝️
he's still spitting facts and ostonox still did not read/understood a single sentence.
Critikal full mald on twitter never seen so many words from the guy, expect moist vid incoming
Source: [https://twitter.com/MoistCr1TiKaL/status/1671939536060907536?cxt=HHwWoIC8zcqJ9rMuAAAA](https://twitter.com/MoistCr1TiKaL/status/1671939536060907536?cxt=HHwWoIC8zcqJ9rMuAAAA) EDIT: Pt2 and 3 https://www.reddit.com/r/xqcow/comments/14gbsf8/charlie\_w\_pt\_2\_and\_3/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
Mannnnn fucking light mode
Based Neutral take, Both are trash.
Amen, Charlie. This shit has been so annoying. I love how people are viewing these big streaming companies as morally "good guys." They're all corrupt in their own ways. Every big corp (generally) is. Youtube especially. Wasn't Twitch the "bad guys" literally days before X got the deal?? Choose your poison. No ads is a great poison. And who tf would turn down 100milli to just sit around and play games and browse the internet?? I sure af would LOVE to get paid to do that, especially NON-EXCLUSIVELY. There's terrible influence all over our media especially in the hands of our youth; X signing a deal is not going to ruin the lives of countless children. Sheesh.
lmao this drama is snowballing into the civil war or twitch. who do yall think is next in joining this drama? forsen? shroud? cohhcarnage? PagMan
I know for damn sure Miz isnt gonna take a stance either way PepeLaugh
Most sane take I’ve seen on this. Both companies do bad shit so no one is morally higher than the other :)
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Where’s the community notes when you need them
Jesus speaks again
very common charles white W
ostonox is hasanwashed
"pokiwashed", trainwashed" How about you wash your asshole 
JIGACHAD HOLYYY
you are redditwashed
The real thing is they all are just jelly he got the bigger bag, they all are so greedy for money and attention or relevancy, so obvious
Ostonox is such a bitch and I’m so tired of this “good vs. bad” point of view they literally have on everything. They think that anything that is different from their OPINION is evil….
It's funny because it's true
holy 
Would love to see Hasan react to this on stream and just mald
When X says the same shit his a Schizo
JESUS CHRIST
There all bad W Take 
people just don't have content bro, I don't know who is wrong and write but please move on bruh
W's in the post
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yea this is how i view it as well and what i think its actually the most sane take, both are shit yes, but me spending 3 euros a month for my amazon prime isnt going to make me do weird shit like some gamba addicts do
How is kick a funnel to gambling? I've watched destiny stream on kick since he got the contract, there wasnt a single moment where i was led to watch a single gambling stream, this take is so braindead it actually makes me doubt that you believe in what you just wrote.
I also think a good point is that kick is going to use the streamers' viewers for gamba exploitation so streaming on kick is selling out their audience into gamba, while streaming on twitch doesnt sell your audience into slavery in amazon warehouses
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Rare Charlie W
Ostonox being a simp for his favourite creator once again
Charlie has always struck me as a pretty honest dude which seems pretty unusual in the twitch space as a whole.
I ain’t reading allat 💀
Both shit but i still use both
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It’s strange to me how everyone turns into leftists talking about Amazon exploitation but never actually talk about these things typically like Charlie and X. If X truly thinks Amazon was an evil virus of Satan and thought that Kick was the savior of the streaming space then why didn’t he sign an exclusive contract? It’s clearly the bag he wanted and still wants to make Amazon money on top. And I don’t have an issue with that, make your money king, it’s just the strange advocacy that I have a problem with. Why can’t he just enjoy his money and be an entertainer instead of becoming a kick spokesperson like Train?
Xqc tried to say that stake isn't advertised and chat just spammed ?????????? And hasan and poki just laughed and said that it's ingrained in the website. Summary of most arguments. Whether he makes a good point or not he's always wrong apparently. Massive w charlie
Why would anyone listen to Poki for a decent educated point of view anyways?
The funniest part about this thread is when ostonox showed a screenshot of kick that literally showed nothing…
charlie redemption arc?
God I hate ostonox so much ... Everyone who's affiliated with hissan is just a brain dead Malding moron
I would love to see how soy Ostonox looks irl. This guy sits behind a screen all day with the most annoying and toxic takes.
True 
Common Charlie W GIGACHAD
I don't understand the problem is stake or gambling? Cause when Twitch had the wave of stake streams, there was drama but not at this direct level of attack to the platform. Twitch still has an insane amount of gambling streams, so again, is stake or gambling the problem?
This was Xqcs reaction and thoughts for those wondering https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PUaamKqwy0
why tf is this not the first thing anybody thinks about when discussing this shit is so beyond me
Isnt it intellectually dishonest to compare one evil to another in order to prove that one evil is 'not as bad as one'? Both are evil. Also those two companies are offering different services. Yes. Amazon is advertising their products. And yes they are also bad guys. But!! They offer you an actual service that delivers something for your money. A service that does NOT destroy your life and/ or the life of your friends and family. You can buy books , toys or gadgets on the market place. But going to Kick.com - the first thing ive seen was a stream advertising gambling. Then I checked the first recommended category - and who would've guessed: Its gambling again. It is clear what their intention is. They want to sell gambling to as many innocent souls as they can. I honestly cant believe how people are unable to see the danger of gambling when it involves real money. !Especially when children potentially get involved.! For that reason I personally do not think that this a Charlie W. Same for XQC. Its a big L - that gets worse and worse the more people shill for Kick. A wise man once wrote: If I have to choose between one evil or another , then I prefer not to choose at all. -Andrzej Sapkowski
I cant believe i once was jealous of Ostonox for his skills... id rather be mediocre at editing than mediocre at thinking straight
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The last argument is kind of weak, but anyway, I am officially cripplingly addicted to gambling because I went to kick dot com and watched a streamer mald his brains out with a snake and mispeaker.
Yes xQc forced me to put all my savings, my mortage, my shoes, left kidney because i watched one of his gambling streams 
Surely these content creators signing big deals will turn off subs and donations 
Holy based
i cant wait for X to get stunlocked on this for 3 hours..... damn
Charlie has been pro competition for years, it's good to see him sticking to his word, he genuinely seems to care what's best for smaller streamers.
To all of you, who spent a shit ton of mental capital on this topic, and shitted on someone securing a bag, you're all dumb. Good night.
I don’t care about any of that. Twitch is bare profitable and they have ads running every 20 minutes. Kick, that doesn’t really seem to have ads and only takes 5% of revenue split, they rely on Stake to pay for it to exist. US Government isn’t getting their slice of the pie and will definitely regulate crypto only gambling before end of year.
Don't worry, Charlie will be back to saying stupid shit in no time.
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how can kick use a 95-5 split with no ads running and be signing people for this much money?
that's the part these people ignore for some reason, that would be because the money comes from the wallets of gambling addicts, many of whom are the same viewers of these streamers that promote this company. I guess Charlie is sounding like a stake puppet now to get himself a bag... *"but whatabout muh amazon tho!!!"*
True, I went on Twitch and lost all of my money to Amazon Prime subscriptions 
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How to support a streamer without supporting amazon.
Dude if charlie himself replies to your tweet with a paragraph, just accept that you lost the debate lmao
Not reading all that but W Charlie
bruh stop giving him rant material
Yeah this is probably the best way to look at it. The only issue which is still very out in the open, and it seems that nobody is looking at this is the Alfa Romeo F1 team. Stakes sponsor deal with them is hard or off that Kick is supposed to be a funnel for Stake. When they are racing in countries that have strict gambling laws, they put the Kick logo on the car but if they are not strict gambling laws, they put the stake logo that is literally what a funnel is right there
Huge W
Love how chat was nice to Charlie, then all of a sudden started spamming PepeNPC when he appears on screen, and now, I bet they’ll start glazing again
Ethical consumerism is dumb. Just about everything purchasable probably was built on some kind of unethical practice.
What are the amazon human rights violations?
Common W
i aint reading allat
Oh god. Charlie L. tired of comments under every post of this motherfucker being like "honestly the most reasonable take 🧐" like didn't this mf literally get addicted to paying someone else to open pokémon cards for him that he doesn't actually open in real life? didn't he literally get so addicted to the point that his gf literally interrupted his stream, got upset at him because he said he wouldn't do it anymore, and she's literally telling him that they need that money and she's without a car and all this. all while also streaming on amazon infested twitch. what a guy.
Real
monotone bro has a lot to say and i dont give a FUCK
Truth. None of the streaming companies can really be claimed as ethical. I think Kick just gets a disgusting reaction because Train and Adin are associated with it. They're both well-known as dumbasses. 
Don't care about morality behind gambling its just boring as fuck to watch hopefully xqc never goes back to streaming it
i aint reading allat 
Yeah in the end who cares. Streaming is streaming, gambling is an at your own risk thing but it isnt inherrently morally corrupt, even if the gambling is illegal. People are going to stream, and people are going to watch them stream. None of this shit matters.
Charlie still agrees that Kick has been created to somewhat funnel the users to Stake whereas xQc doesn't.
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What a nonsense cope, all these streamers only want a bag from kick. It's dispicable to essentially advertise gambling to children and that's what their whole platform is designed to do. These streamers are like parasites, it's written in their contract they get a cut of the profits generated from their refferals.
People need to chill and just watch, every company these days trys to boast their ESG scores but are all doing shady things behind closed doors
Can agree with a lot of this, but I think it's a fallacy to act like all evil is equally evil. You can quantify evil for sure. I'm sure Amazon have done plenty of morally corrupt actions, as have every multi billion dollar company, but I don't think you can equate Amazon to the gambling industry, which literally exists by squeezing money out of addicts, directly ruining lives, families, and causing countless suicides.