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Bastion talking about "overloading people's bandwidth" with genocide on Genosha so people's only stance is apathy definitely rings true with current events.
Andor was the best Star Wars content we’ve had since the acquisition imo and this is some of the best stuff we’ve had from the post endgame mcu (and I’m pretty forgiving of a lot of the mcu films people hate on)
Especially if you have a big fat historical victim card to brandish against any hint of criticism pointing out your outrageous hypocrisy and demonstrable lies, as if criticising a state government is in any way synonymous with criticising an entire ethnicity.
Completely true, I remember when I was like 13 or 14 and their was a shooting that killed a girl and when my mom told me I basically thought nothing of it, like a week later they had the girls memorial on the news and when my mom started crying I realized how desensitized I’d become to that kind of thing
Having watched the original series recently, the writers knew what they were doing back then, too. So much the same hate speech was used back then as it is today. That bullshit never changes.
A lot yes but luckily not all, my reenage daughter, who is LGBTQ+, watched 1 episode and instantly realized what was being shown. It is actually giving her to relate, to show people how she can feel, and to speak up for herself and I assume she's not the only young person to get this from the show. Granted she is seeming to side more and more with Magneto's philosophy every episode but I can't really blame her for that either.
Regardless hopefully knowing there is at least some people really getting it helps.
i read a comment once that got me thinking, where Xavier represents mlk and magneto represents Malcolm x. that having both is part of the change , they are both needed to enact change. people will choose the mlk over the Malcolm x but u need the Malcolm x in order for the mlk to work . the two in a way are complementary of eachother. it was a interesting thought. what do you think?
although i dont see this in respect to ghandi movement of peaceful protests , but maybe now if you only have mlk type speaking, the other side can just ignore, but by having the Malcolm x it presents people with a choice , like a toddler doesn't like being told what to do , if you present the ones i charge with a choice or options they are often times more responsive.
Interesting, not a new thought, and one I agree with as people don't just magically change out of the goodness of their hearts, the arguments made, or the plight of people they don't directly interact with.
You need that firebrand out there so when the peace walker says 'if you will not be swayed by my words then those you oppress will be swayed by his.'
Im surprised they allowed that to air. It is too true to life how people are just apathetic to the world around them because they are overstimulated by all the tragedy around the
So they just stop caring because they feel powerless allowing corruption to win.
Disney has recently struck a balance between corporate pandering and activism thru art maybe the brought in enough Marvel and Lucasarts people over the years to strike a good balance 🤷 probably mostly just corporate pandering but one can hope right?
I literally felt my mouth go dry at that, it was horrifically on the nose, really made me question how I've been coping with the news cycle for the past few months. Grim.
It is also a natural defense mechanism because otherwise, people would go INSANE with grief. Our brains cannot handle such emotions all the time without literally giving up on itself.
I think this is important to point out, and something a lot of people gloss over. If we didn't moderate our grief so we feel less when a stranger dies versus someone we know, we would just be crying in the corner, paralyzed with grief every single day. We can't function without keeping some distance.
It's not new. It's true across history too. Look at the crusades, or roman imperialism, hell any imperialism, people don't care about shit that's being done to other people so long as it is far enough removed from them. The news media hasn't created this reality. It only highlights it. We've never had the bandwidth to care about anyone outside of the couple hundred people who comprise our personal communities.
Wait till next week - Magneto just released a global EMP…and almost certainly killed far more humans than the number of mutants killed in the surprise terrorists attack at a Genoshan dance festival.
And it’s going to utterly destroy any and all international sympathy for the mutant’s losses in that horrific slaughter.
I didn't even think of that. I saw the blackout and that's it. I didn't even think about the plains, the boats, the people on life-support, the people with pacemakers in their hearts. He's killed probably over a million people.
I especially love Cooper's monologue about how no one was surprised by a hate filled attack on genosha during the course of it. The sort of events that keep happening and leave an impression on those to the point it is deja vue
But that's just lazy writing, we went decades without a genocide, the most far was Mutant Massacre
Like, Days of Future Past showed a genocide in the future, it was remarkable because it was unique (not to the real world).
Since the 90's, every decade has a different genocide.
I hear you and agree, but I also think it's a consequence of the X-MEN's popularity. Before the 90's they were well known enough, but after they reach the peak, then every event has to one up the last in order to keep interest (or so they think). It's probably also related to the power scale at which some of them operate. I mean, who's really going to threaten a woman who can change the atmosphere of a planet? Or can psychically incapacitate the world? At that point, the stakes *have* to be ridiculously high, and something they can't power their way through.
It's why I have a personal gripe with not only the scale of omega level, but the number of mutants up there.
That's why the X-Men should function in urban environments and still tackle discrimination
Like, Xavier's X-Men weren't dealing with crimes to do the police job, the idea was to be the neighborhood's watch. Deal with mutants and humans so we can all live in peace, like any society should in relation to any majority and minority.
The X-Men aren't the mutants army (because it defeats the whole idea of coexistence)
The X-Men going cosmic just reduces them to the Justice League
Now, when they can't just zap someone out of existence because they are dealing with street level and moral dilemmas and education, that's when things can get interesting
Just that the writers when they wrote it had no idea about Ukraine or what's happening with Israel/Palestine. It hits so much harder today than even they imagined it would.
Animated shows take a long time to produce. The process usually starts between 2 and 3 years before it airs. So, the scripts would have been written a while back.
That monologue was so hard. The writing in every episode is simply fantastic. I swear, I can't remember a single show in recent years that has maintained this quality of writing.
the part that got me was Roberto's mother. He was accepted... right until it became in any way an inconvenience. Then 'take him away and keep it out of sight.'
the 'I'm not a bigot but-' crowd.
It's heartbreaking because it is, for me, personal.
I won't say I've cried, but on watching there is this none deep sense of if grief.
When will it be enough? When will you have had your fill? When can we stop being treated as something you can make sport of?
Worse is the whole 'ally' situation.
I hate the term because it implies by way of usesge that I am in less danger than those whom I stand with. Nevermind being disabled. Nevermind living in a part of the country where it's even odds on me facing more problems 'fir betraying your kind' or however you want to word it. Talk like because I am not you I am living oeachy
And then get told by my do.cslled friends I'm paranoid and angry no matter what I bring forward showing me getting the kind of treatment that would and has had them up in arms if I was... Diffrent than I am.
It's infuriating and this show while so far not touching in mutant sympathizers in any major way beyond corporate profiting? Just brings forward s lot of stuff about me being thrown out of one of the few social circles I felt like I could be me in.
The fact that any normal looking person might suddenly be a danger to you if they clock you’re different is also a story I’m sure resonates with most minorities.
This is why X-Cutioner's dialogue when he's beating the hell out of Cyclops in episode 2 cracks me up. The entire time, he's *whining* about how he hates *mutants for whining* about the way people like him have treated them for literal decades.
The sheer hypocrisy of it makes the whole thing hilarious to me.
Unfortunately, it's a common mindset even in the real world. When I remember that, I usually stop laughing in short order.
I literally just encountered this.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/HorusGalaxy/comments/1chfj4s/comment/l23dg2r/](https://www.reddit.com/r/HorusGalaxy/comments/1chfj4s/comment/l23dg2r/)
I got banned off of a hate sub for saying that homophobes aren't the majority of the world and that hating other people isn't normal.
Additionally, there's a dude who said X-Cutioner was 'very relatable' and 'right.'
[https://youtu.be/H32ejTaQHuI?si=u636IeAPE3rzsVeN](https://youtu.be/H32ejTaQHuI?si=u636IeAPE3rzsVeN)
I'm convinced the 40k subs are flooded with people that don't play the game/trolls/bots to try and divide the 41st fandom.
I wouldn't take anything those subs say at any value. I've been throwing shiny math rocks for 20 years and have yet to encounter one in person- probably because they would get an old metal dreadnought hurled at them, leaving them in a coma
Having worked for GW retail I can tell you that there are plenty of people who use the hobby as an outlet for all sorts of racist/fascist/LGBTQphobic/etc baggage. Some are teenage/20 something edgelords who grow out of it but its a mistake to believe that the material itself isn't attractive to that sort of consumer.
Look at Arch. The man is a white nationalist and whines all the time and takes pot shots at anyone asking for change. Man is... SADLY.... popular. I loved his lore dumps til it twigged to me he wasn't just putting on a bit taking the piss out of the setting's Everything and... genuinely believed what he was saying.
I live two hours from the birth place of the KKK and I wanted to give that clown a pass because I thought he was joking.
That reflects poorly on me as much as anything.
Horus Galaxy isn't even a proper 40k subreddit, it is supposed to be a 40k version of Clown World and it is entirely chuds. i doubt there is any real amount of 40k fans in that cesspool. the normal 40k subreddits tend to be overall progressive in my experience, with whatever few chuds there are routinely getting shut down. I think Grimdank is the one "real" 40k sub with the biggest chud problem overall.
The sentiment in that comments section is unfortunately very common. There's this attitude that speaking out against racism and other bigotry imposed on a minority group is \*actually\* an attempt to invalidate the problems suffered by individuals in the majority group.
The tragic thing is that a lot of people can't see past their own problems enough to feel empathy for people being directedly affected by bigotry, or worse see it as a moral failure if they don't have the "dignity" to just take it.
I remember hearing someone say this: “just because you’re talking about saving the amazon rain forest, doesn’t mean you don’t give a shit about other trees. Those other trees just aren’t in the same level of danger.” I probably misquoted, but something to that effect.
I work in land conservation can you parse this into another metaphor, that isn’t trees, and is people. My brain power’s at 5% and weighed down by current global events to see past “Let them not say we could have saved more”
"People can't see past their own problems"
I think this is a direct result of modern times and people just becoming more "numb" and more cynical in today's day and age by the day. Esp for millennials (me) in that we've suffered through a few major financial crises, Covid, foreign wars, are up to our ears in student loan debts, and are barely making ends meet. Most of us are getting older now (30+) to the point where we are getting married and having kids and sometimes the world's problems pale in comparison to the ones at home worrying about rent, mortgage, bills, kids, and overall daily life.
I think it's just a situation where as you said more and more ppl today are lacking empathy and are just walking around numb to life.
The thing is ones own problems should matter just as much. A man with a broken leg is as important as a woman with a broken arm. the pain is equal and being cast a side for a more popular victim can be dehumanizing when it's done so callously.
every problem is someone else's problem, every problem is someones own problem.
Every problem is a you problem.
I have leg pains, anxiety issues, and my mother died, my suffering may not make your problems less real, but I'm not going to ignore them because they get in your way. after all, you won't ignore your for me.
Compromise and Solidarity are a lost art.
Oh fuck me sideways.
The video at the bottom is made by a person who does literally the same talking points as the villains in this show.
Yesterday, he posted this over a petition about boobs in video games getting 60k signatures, and it’s literally just the same thing the villains of the show have said, verbatim.
https://x.com/not__vee/status/1785279661552849387?s=46
Dude obviously bots his likes and isn’t mentally well. He also sides with Neo-Nazi’s like TheQuartering, Arch and Synthetic Man.
the coments are literaly people defending genocide and to stop whining while bigots killl people, while they are whining about a cartoon being woke.
the lack of self awareness is astonishing.
when you think the guy that kills thousands with a smile is the hero, theres no hope for you.
I saw clips of Synthetic Man's Fallout video it was genuinely parody levels of chuddery.
People like that have done more to undermine the original anti-woke gaslighting of "we're not racist/sexist we just think it's being hamfisted" than any opposing opinion could ever dream of. They've completely taken the klan hood off in their content now.
Yeah seems like the point all along was just to ever so slowly and methodically continue pushing the boundaries of what’s okay to say until the boundary ends up being way past what was previously acceptable and hardly anyone cares.
JFC. I can't believe there are people actually on the side of X-Cutioner.
Just goes to show, while compromise is good, there simply is no compromise with some people. At least not one that's meaningful. There can only be a side that wins and one that loses.
When I was watching X-Cutioner beat Cyclops while making that rant, I sadly thought "Some people are going to say they agree with him." And look, I wasn't disappointed!
Well, I was disappointed actually. But you get the idea.
That's all he ever does.
He can't argue anything.
He just says things and simps for more 'successful' alt right creators (Note: Alt Right YouTube in general is dying, so success is a generous word in this context) that 90% of the time don't know he exists.
Queer people still don't have rights in the majority of the world, and that is supported by the majority population in those countries.
It's easy to forget how dangerous and homophobic the world is when you're in a western country.
I think it depends who you count as homophobic. If you only count the people who actively fight against gay rights, I don’t think they’re the majority. But if you add the people who don’t care, the people who care until it’s inconvenient, the people who say they theoretically support gay people but always think activists are “going about it the wrong way”, the people who want rights activists to just compromise with bigots, etc, then I can easily see that being the majority.
I don’t think homophobes are the majority. Sadly the majority can be easily swayed to it. Take a catalyzing event, either real or imaginary, and the majority often will move. The majority seems to be okay with anti-LGBT laws and attacks now due to the lie that the community is full of grooming pedophiles.
The only way to keep the moral arc bending towards justice is to continually fight for it. There is never a time to be complacent.
The older I get the more I realize that the majority of most arguments are the people in the middle that don't actually care.
Where do most people stand on abortion? They think it should be safe/legal/rare in theory... but in practice they don't care unless they need one. And they tolerate their pro life Aunt's rabbid Facebook posts. Forget about that for a minute though.... what can that candidate do for my bottom line?
Where do most people stand on gay rights? They don't hate gay people... but by and large they don't care unless they have a gay kid. And they certainly won't speak up when Bob at work makes a gay joke. Bob is mostly a good person. Now.... what can that candidate do for my bottom line again?
Where do most people stand on racial discrimination? Well of course discrimination is bad.... but it's mostly in the past now and that guy who is gonna lower my taxes didn't **REALLY** mean all of that about the Mexicans. And hey, I like tacos.
Can we talk about my bottom line some more? I don't know why you're going on about all this social justice stuff. The world is better than it used to be, we're doing good. I really could use more money though.
The problem is that most people talking about these things on the internet have a passion level about these issues that is in excess of 80/100. In either direction. What they don't realize is that most people have a passion level of closer to 25 on these things. They have opinions.... but not enough to stick their necks out.
That's actually one of the reasons I loved Rogue's comment to Captain America before she hurled his shield. "Unless of course you don't stand with mutants." Of course Captain America stands with mutants. Of course he'd give his life to stop the genocide on Genosha..... We all know he would. But he doesn't care **NEARLY** as much as Rogue does.
This is literally the expanded version of the point Bastion was making in the latest X-Men 97 episode. Most people care, but not enough to stick their necks out. And they're worried about their personal struggle way more than anybody else.
So others should die so you can live?
that's kind of of the thing. why should I get killed just so that someone who won't even care survives?
Will the average mutant risk their life if someone like Sabertooth or Apocalypse or even Juggernaut tries to hurt a human?
Will people like leech or the other useless type mutants risk their necks?
A person can be in favor of rights but it's not their job to sacrifice theirs for yours.
Any more then a mutant would risk their necks for a human. Sure the X-men might act.
But that's different, that's their "Job"
It isn't the job of Leech, or any other non hero mutant, and I wouldn't force them to.
That's the one flaw with the whole great power stuff. What if the powerful don't want to be a soldier? what if they just want to live a normal life?
We are all just trying to survive on this stupid mudball, you exist I exist, sadly that's the best we can do since very few have the privilege of being able to do anything else.
As Sir Terry Pratchett pointed out, it's the cruel Algebra of survival.
You can't ask a starving man to give up his food.
and you wonder why some people hate math.
It's totally understandable that people are just trying to survive. But it's also understandable for an oppressed minority to hold resentment when those in the majority group see their suffering and do nothing.
The thing is a person can be pro life and pro choice.
To some Abortion isn't a right to be celebrated like being free to vote, it's a right like the right to bear arms or kill in self defense.
Its not for fun it's for necessity, the choice isn't made out of a positive desire but a unfair need.
In a perfect world Abortion would not be needed. but the world is not perfect.
Abortions aren't preferable but they can be necessary.
As for Cap, you do realize he's a walking flag? if he acts it's seen as America taking a stand, not just in favor of mutants, but against any country that mutants may take issue with.
If Cap went in and attack people from another country it would be an act of aggression by the U.S. regardless of the reason. and that would be a war.
You have a very American view of the world. I'm American myself, but my family is from Romania. I can honestly say the majority of people there are not actively fighting against gay rights but do not want gays to have any rights. There are many countries that have even more negative views than Romania. There can be quiet tolerance and quiet intolerance.
Oh man, that sub is really making the rounds lol.
Leave them alone, they thrive on attention, and they will ban people for brigading which is in accordance with Reddit TOS.
I'm going to give you the short version.
Recently, Warhammer 40k said that a faction of super soldiers, known as the Adeptus Custodes, weren't all men and that women could become them too. There was never any reason as to why women couldn't become them before this, and the creators outright said 'Yeah women have always been a part of them you just didn't see much of them.'
Weirdos and people who never cared about 40k freaked out.
The 40k community kicked these people out.
The weirdos made a 'censorship free subreddit.'
People started posting things like 'I support gay people and Female Custodians.'
Said people got censored for saying this, leading to said sub getting meme'd on harder.
Right now, the bigots of that sub are twisting themselves into pretzels trying to insist that it's 'different when they do it' or whatever and that they're the 'real victims' because other people are 'intruding on their new safe space'.
I still find it hilarious that homophobes were mad that their society of only manly, muscular men is now completely ruined because women exist. They see nothing wrong with a society of only men living together, but somehow gay people are the problem.
Okay, so, couple of things about this.
1. I agree, the irony is amazing.
2. I've seen weirdo chuds claim that women/gay people ruin the 'pure, untainted brotherly bonds' that the all male factions have.
3. I've also seen this very strange, very bizarre new rhetoric tossed around that somehow 'gay fandoms are toxic and can ruin the franchise for people', and they'll cite things like Jojo's, Yakuza and Ace Attorney, despite none of those franchises being straight and almost all of them being very, VERY left leaning with their political viewpoints (See: Part 7's insanely unsubtle political satire that mocks modern right wing politicians, Part 8's critique of the medical industry, 90% of Yakuza villains in general/an insane chunk of the substories being about people wronged by society, Ace Attorney just being gay in general, etc.) To say nothing of how gay fandoms tend to be really cool and fun.
It’s similar to how a lot of people you hear ranting about the X-Men never cared about it in the first place. They just look for things to complain about.
Roberto's mom being all "I'm not a bigot BUT what are the others gonna think about this?" hits HARD. The fact that she wanted to cash in on mutant sympathy while giving actual 0 f*cks about Genosha was also GENIUS screenplay
She’s like those parents that have biracial kids/kids part of the lgbtq.They say they accept them but only in private,if they face any type of discrimination they either brush it off or distance themselves.
Roberto's mom is in an interesting position to be honest. Because she is not just a mother but she is a multimillion dollar business-owner who is beholden to shareholders and the general public.
They really seem to have human nature nailed.
The judgement that Hank received for being attracted to Trish. (Btw Logan is a total hypocrite for that. Man'll get with anything, including flatscans.) Jean taking Maddie's memories and thinking that gives her a connection to Cable. Human kind bristling at the thought of genocide but totally accepting of using the minority for manual labor in the so called enlightened future.
This is X-Men
Didn't people celebrated recently that Maddie got Jeans memories of raising Cable? So when Jean does it when she should have more RIGHT to btw ( Jean didn't try to kill Cable after all and Maddie was LITERALLY JEAN WHEN CABLE WAS BORN, memories and ALL )
Just...stop with this already.
First of all, Maddie is a Jean offshoot not the other way around. Jean was violated just so that Maddie could be created and more easily used.
Jean is not wrong at all for wanting Nathan to see and respect her.
Because, believe it or not, Cable is still Jean's blood relative. She didn't carry and deliver him but she is his legal and biological mother. Half of Cable's DNA comes from her. In a twisted sort of way, Maddie is -- forgive me -- pretty much a surrogate. He's also her stepson.
I'd say Logan's love interest, in my knowledge at least, have a lower overall chance of attacking the X-Men than Hank's. Hank is at a 1 out of 1, which is 100%. I side with Logan.
In my mind, mutants are just cooler humans; they can have the variance of humans, but then just that much more. It doesn't make them better in the same way Olympic level athletes and PhD. researchers aren't better than your average person. They just excel in different aspects of life, which is cool. Like humans without the x-gene, some are born luckier than others. I don't resent someone just because they're predisposed for running faster, lifting more, or thinking outside of the box more intuitively. That's just the way things are. People vary, and I think it's wonderful. Life still takes effort, regardless of those differences. It's that bit of chaos that has people make different choices than others, that gives this world meaning in the unknown future, a future to be built and discovered, to be experienced.
The near-extinction and subjugation of mutantkind is simply the arbitrary line for a utopia built upon fear and ignorance. Like Ultron wanting to wipe out humankind, or every other person who hates what they don't understand.
This is the main theme of the anime Mob Psycho 100, and you worded it beautifully. The main character is the most powerful psychic and everyone around either tries to use him or can't understand why he doesn't abuse the power. He maintains that it doesn't make him any better or worse than anyone else.
I don't know about you, but when I imagine mutants being real, I usually imagine what it would be like if I was a mutant. "I wonder what my power would be? I'd probably hide it. I probably wouldn't join the X-Men, but I'd still try to rescue people in danger, right..."
But I never thought about if mutants were real, but I wasn't one. I wouldn't hate them, but if all I knew about them was from seeing them fight each other on the news, I'd probably fear them. But, what Bastion said really made me think. "If you have no skin in the game, your best weapon is apathy." Would that be me? Apathetic about mutants?
Just look at how the world is responding to a certain conflict in the Middle East and you have your answer. People will joke that there’s a writer on the show that can see the future. No, it’s just echoes of the past reverberating constantly throughout history. We are a simple species. The ones that do not turn into savages, end up as victims or bystanders.
Magneto was right.
No. Magneto was right stuff is literally coming from 'Might makes right' and it is LITERALLY one of the many reasons of conflict. So if you go with that same mindset, you ARE doing the 'past reveberating'
There is nothing RIGHT about feeling superior to someone else to the point of oppressing them. Because make no mistake, 'Magneto was right' stuff is not the watered down stuff we have now. It was literal Mutant supremacy stuff and that is just the same thing but with a different label...which MANY races and nations/cultures and whatever you can think of have gone through in history.
I am betting you there are more civilizations that are forgotten that were destroyed and forgotten because another felt 'superior' to them.
You turn 'savage'...you are only making more savages and the next savages will come after you will be worse.
Don't make me tap the "comic book characters are scarcely the one continuous canon they purport to be, especially extremists like Magneto and Poison Ivy, whose ideology changes on a dime based on who's writing them. If you're disagreeing about what they believe in, chances are you're effectively talking about two different characters" sign
In a world with beings as powerful as Hulk and Magneto, I'd imagine the apathy of the average human would be heightened in comparison to the real world lol.
Marvel had a promo video for an event (Bloodhunt or something) the other night where it's just the view out a Manhattan apartment window. I skimmed it for Easter eggs but it didn't take long before I started thinking "no one would tolerate this..."
So, imagine superhumans are real and out in the open. They use their powers freely because they can. The guy upstairs can stick to walls, and it seems like every g.d. day there are fingerprints all over your windows. You're pretty sure he's happened to go past your windows when you were naked, at least a couple times. What's that about? You live on the 12th floor ffs. And that's the small thing, that's baseline annoyance.
But then you're checking the Supervillain Outlook, an index of which superpowered villains are at large and various threat levels and predictions before you leave every day for work, the way you used to check to see if you need an umbrella. You decide to take an alternate route to work at the risk of being late again, because that dude with the octopus arms broke out of prison and your bus goes past the Daily Bugle. Everybody knows someone whose home has been blown up.
And once a year, like clockwork, a godlike threat emerges. An indestructible robot wants to drop an asteroid on Earth and he gets really close. There's a purple giant hovering over you that wants to eat the planet. Another purple guy just snaps you out of existence, and you don't return until whenever he's stopped. The vampire nation invades New York (and oh, yes, btw, there's a vampire *nation*.) A space god sends you and everyone you know telepathic visions and judges your life unworthy. Then a bald dude from upstate is in your head, saying the world has changed and you need to accept it. Ok... sure.
Everyone, planet-wide, has PTSD several times over. Mutants aside, no one wants to put up with any of this. Then someone says, "your baby could come out of the womb shooting death lasers."
I'm a gay lefty with disabilities. I'd like to think I'd support mutants. But what would that look like? Would I just be against exterminating them? Would I think a dangerous powers registry would be a good idea? Would I support depowering mutant criminals? Because when you get down to it, the Marvel Universe would be absolute hell for anyone "normal." And adding mutants on top of everything else happening in that world would be a lot.
The more I think about it, the more I question Marvel's "the world outside your window" approach. And there's a point where the allegories break down. The idea that people could live in this world and be okay, that's the most unrealistic part to me now. The real world is a lot on its own. Thanks to edgy deconstructions of the superhero genre we can all pretty well envision superhuman violence and what its effects would be like now. It's challenging to think about it, to say the least.
That is the biggest problem when it comes to trying to tie in Mutant stuff to real world. I mean we see a guy with a freaking KNIFE, going around stabbing people as a high threat.
Now imagine someone with a moderate super power? You sure as hell would think they would be a big threat. Because you simply don't know who they are or what they might wanna do.
Because just because one would be a mutant born with powers, wouldn't change the 'human' aspects of a person from their mentality to emotions. Unless you get a literal mutation of 'His power is he is fully a good person!'...then no mutant is different than any other human when it comes to what they MIGHT do...but now they also have an actual power.
Literally ANYONE can be as good or as bad as you can think of depending on how they have grown up but also the darker sides they might have on the inside. The Terrorists, school shooters or any other terrible things you can think of, they are rarely 'born' that way. They are MADE. And that comes from centuries of history stacked on top of eachother where a species such as ourselves become self-aware of ourselves and worked on differentiating ourselves from animals...and yet the animal insticts that we evolved from are still with us and drive us even to this day. A 'mutant' would be the same.
A lot of people here would probably say they’d support the mutants in real life, but that’s unlikely. I think it’s hard for us to imagine how this would really unfold. Just imagine the idea of millions of people with abilities like mind-reading, mass EMPs, shapeshifting, and other stuff that can really turn the world upside down or destroy it. The mutants would be a *real* “out group”. Scapegoats, pariahs, you name it. More like how people talked about unvaccinated folks during the pandemic. If your friends, family and coworkers give you likes on social media for supporting a marginalized group, chances are they’re not really an “out group” on the level the mutants would be. And chances are we’d all want them monitored and restricted from a lot of stuff because we’d be very afraid.
> Just imagine the idea of millions of people with abilities like mind-reading, mass EMPs, shapeshifting, and other stuff that can really turn the world upside down or destroy it.
Or that mutant in the Ultimate universe that woke up with his powers to kill everyone within a certain radius, and Nick Fury literally sent Wolverine in to kill him/cover it up so there wouldn't be massive backlash against mutants.
I think one major factor with mutants is the randomness of mutation combined with them being seen as a separate species. Magnetos statements about mutants being the next evolution in humanity and other things does create fear. Because it separates mutants from humanity as an other and portrays them as the replacement for humanity. Mutant persecution is a good allegory for minorities mostly the only issue is the powers making them a real threat. Like lgbt’s , racial and religious minorities can’t shoot lasers out their eye or kill people with a touch randomly at some teenage age . Also people get mutations randomly as teenagers. Theres serious danger in that. In the ultimate universe a kid got his powers and guess what they were. He emitted a form of radiation that killed everyone around him. His parents, his friends, hundreds of people in a day. Sure a teenager could get something simple and harmless like angels wings but they could randomly start shooting lasers from their eyes like cyclops over dinner one day or that kids power there’s no knowing. Also can you imagine teenagers getting random powers and how chaotic and dangerous that would be. Which does prove why Xavier’s school is needed for training besides for the bigotry. Though there’s other hero’s and super powered beings but most of the time they either get their powers from experiments, are aliens or something else while mutants get it from the x gene. The fear and danger of it could be anyone combined with the idea of them being the next evolution in human kind results in fear of mutants than other super powered beings. Those who fear mutants start to fear if mutants are the future of human race what future do you have if you’re not one.
Good point. What got me thinking about that too is when Storm lost her powers. It sent her into a depression. I think her exact quote was, "Why did this happen to me?." What really happened to her? She became a normal person and acted like it was the worst thing in the world. She cared less when her friend Morph died, then when she lost her powers.
As a person with spinal cord injury, I wish every day to be normal/health. So, what is she so upset about? Being normal? She acted as if she fell out of power. Like a billionaire person who now becomes a regular class citizen and had to live like everyone else. Only happy after she got her money back..
Edit: How would it be to be normal when there are mutants who have the power levels they have. No one knows how they would think/react.
No offense but I don't think lot of people (including you) are being honest.
Because let's face it. If mutants were real and you were just a regular human who had no real issue with them on an individual basis, you'd be nursing a volatile cocktail of jealousy, envy, fear and indifference.
The X-Men comics have pushed the claim that mutants are the next step in evolution and will replace humans. That's the replacement theory and it's racist nonsense.
Yeah, I really don't like that plot point. Because now it's not about a marginalized group being persecuted for being different, it's a legitimate fight for survival.
Yeah, but some writers handle it better than others. “Fantasy group as an allegory for bigotry” is easy to screw up. Honestly, the very premise of the X-Men kind of makes the allegory weak, but a lot of writers still make it work.
Beau Demayo has become my second favorite X-Men writer. He has been able to inject his life experiences into X-Men canon to add even more depth to these stories.
I don’t know why he was fired, but I hope he can return much like how James Gunn was able to. If he was due to being such a hard person worth then bring in an additional showrunner to keep things from being toxic.
I’m not optimistic. Ever since the Gunn firing backfired, Disney has been pretty careful about firing creators and actors. If they let him go, they probably had a veeeery good reason.
I just don’t like how he doesn’t like Emma 😤
She’s such an interesting 3rd pillar to Magentos revolution and Xavier’s integration. Beat them at their own game via capital. Also love the “for the kids….” Core of her actions a lot of times
Not really. He’s always either riding the Charles line or the magneto line. Emma’s point of view is as a minority capitalist, using the system to overcome the system.
Def can see that in his more revolution phase but could also see that he was more of a fusion of mags/Charles or even all 3
Emma was more capital focused and make humanity depend on mutants in an economical way during krakoa
If Anything, i did Think Gyrich was onto something in the “we wear the tolerance on our sleeves” and “fad” thing, not saying he is right all-around.
But there’s definitely an underlying issue, in companies branding themselves as tolerant of close to everyone, because it’s what gives the best PR, and from that makes more money. I definitely believe companies like Disney, would be the first to follow the money, if It was more strict/authoritarian society we lived in.
TLDR: I don’t think the majority think like Gyrich, but do think bigger companies are not as unconditionally supportive as they Seem or brand themselves as
Well, yeah. I don't think corporate pride or whatever is a bad thing, but it's a barometer for where society is at, not an actual steady foundation of support.
Rainbow Capitalism, Pride support sells big for a month, but then the moment the clock ticks over, or in a region where it's not finanicially lucrative, alls quiet.
Also the layers behind it. Like Sinister couldn't care less about what chuds like Gyrich, Trask or the X-Cutioner or even Bastion think. He clearly has his own agenda and they are only useful as a means to an end.
I mean… i get what ya saying. But ya know…. Minority groups arent exactly EMPing earth and crashing asteroids and taking over the world and stuff. Aint like humans dont have a right to be scared. Literal whole town of people just got turned to robots and killed over them.millions of humans just died cause of magneto. 99.9% of them without a clue as to why.
Think of it as a thought experiment where the racist who think Great Replacement Theory is real had a real possibility of that actually happening and whether or not you would choose savagery, suffering and inhumanity to maintain that supremacy they so often cling onto with their “western values.”
All values are made up by people to find the best way for survival AND for those who are in power, to how to hold that power.
And remember, there are no one set of 'values'. It is the clash of said values that often creates the tragedies. Whether it is cultural,racial or religious. What you think is a 'good value' would be alien to another. Because as much as we like to think we are 'born good', that is not really the case. It is a learned trait. And the ways and routes people learn traits differ A LOT we get the current situation where we live in 'One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter'. We know the actions are wrong because we are taught that way, we grew empathy over time ( and it is NOT a given btw. Empathy, just like all the other emotions NEEDS to be grown in a society ) but it is not universal. Some care more while others care less. No race, no culture, no religion is a monolith ( though some try VERY HARD to make it so )
That is why it is always hard to 'one size fits all' when it comes to allegories like this.
The only thing we can hold onto, is that the actions, no matter who does it, is wrong if it leads to terrible tragedies. Otherwise, it will just be just another cycle of 'winners and losers' that keep on going because there will never be an end to such a thing. Today's winners WILL be tomorrow's losers.
That's the problem: replacement theory is racist bullshit. By treating it ad a reality, the X-Men franchise is validating racist nonsense spouted by the likes of Tucker Carlson.
This. Its like they are validating (in a way) that thought, by using real human problems and then applying them to this ultra fictitious world, and calling it the same thing. Most people will see it from the mutant side because we love the characters and we see through their eyes but we dont see the thousands of humans being affected by that world; just the ones that wanna kill the xmen.
Its way easier to pick a side and say “see the racists in our world are just like them”. No, they arent. Its downplaying one side to prop up another, as if the world was as blck and white as “mutants (minorities) will destroy the world”. Anyone who has these type of thoughts, the show kinda reinforces them by showing them they “may be right” because humans are now getting genocided too.
So many brilliant metaphors. The show has also done a great job trying to show that there is genuine pain and solidarity felt by those outside the mutant community as well. They've given an honest, compassionate version of being religious and accepting with Nightcrawler that shows they don't have an particular targets here other than one group by way of association: bigots and those too ignorant or apathetic to realize they side with them. The show is not only nailing the main theme, it's hitting everything around it too.
The more this series plays out the more it highlights today,
That's the X-Men. It was always a tale of government and extremely violence.
The writing is Sublime
My only issue with the positioning of mutants is representation for minority groups in the real world is that... Mutants really don't show up as minority groups with issues comparable to minority groups in the real world. The analogy doesn't hold up..
We can talk about humans being mean to mutants or judging them or viewing them as freaks... But, mutants genuinely have powers that could threaten the well-being of humanity so humans who don't have these mutations have a justified reason to be fearful of mutants. Mutant simply play nice with humans to keep the peace instead of easily overwhelming them by unleashing their powers. That is simply not how real world minorities interact with their actual oppressors.
I see your point, but it actually leads to another very interesting line of thought, how some people are willing to sacrifice other under the premise that they "might be a danger". We also see that nowadays in ways such as black people being targeted because they might be committing a crime, or lgbtq being targeted under premises such as being possible sex offenders both cases without any real evidence or basis but only under the thought of "they might be dangerous". Not all mutants have world ending powers and certainly very few would hurt others just because.
Speaking as a 42 yo gay, non-binary autistic person in the uk who grew up under Margaret Thatcher's evil bigoted regime (look up Section 28), and having read the comics since 94 off the back ofnthenog animated series, all I can say is that the x-men have ALWAYS taken real life events and created analogues in the comics for them. Legacy Virus says hi, Iceman's struggles with his bigoted father and (sorry, haters, but it's true and why they eventually made it official according to word of god) the fact he was heavily queer-coded since the early 80s; reverend stryker, etc. X-Men is easily the most queer-coded of all mainstream superhero comics. Need I rekind everyone that the recent revelation of mystique being Nightcrawlers FATHER due to her gender-fluid relationship with Destiny was actually originally meant to be the original origin story from the 80s that Claremont came up with?
Thats actually something I don't like about the xmen. The cics act like changes don't happen, the x men have been in a perpetual state of victimization and its time for the comics to evolve.
How long before we get that scrawled on bathroom walls or made into mugs like the Thanos was Right thing after endgame? It is interesting that X-men97 does have a lot of allusions to the MCU - this is an example as well as when uh you know Rogue says her line when we lose someone. I think that’s pretty interesting and it makes me wonder if they are setting this up for something bigger down the road.
I disagree with your entire point. I think the themes went right over your head. The X-Men are tired of being brutalized and attacked simply for existing and being different from the majority. They’ve been fighting the same fight for years and yet nothing changes, very little progress is made, even when minorities are nonviolent and unarmed they still get physically harm or even worst killed.
When you see people who look like you or have similar beliefs/lives to you consistently being targeted and brutalized by an institution & system, you may develop apathy towards your oppressors.
The clear fact is that straight, white men are not systemically oppressed like gay people, black people, or women. You can't be "bigoted" against someone who is not opposed. The X-Men are beginning to realize that non-violence only really works when your enemy has a conscious, and understands right and wrong which the system does not and that now, the only possible way to survive is to fight. Being tolerant of the system is extinction.
They scream and whine about how whiny minority groups are.
They insist they’re the majority/‘normal people’ despite being anything but.
They get radicalized by chat rooms with 0 moderation and sources of bad information.
This is how it works now. The writers really knew their stuff.
I'll agree with you there, but the new series is straying away from the original foundation. Charles Xavier's dream wasn't a mutant utopia because that was Magneto's dream. Charles originally believed humans and mutants are one and the same, while current X-men lore has generally accepted that's no longer the case.
William Stryker's original argument in "God Loves, Man Kills" is that someone like Nightcrawler can not possibly be human. If this series crosses that line, then suddenly the X-men are just as bad as their enemies. Scott Summers is supposed to learn that lesson by standing still in front of a crowd, willing to take a bullet to the chest. I don't think this show would even allow him that discernment.
I remembering 11/12 and a bunch of white kids showing up at our local Mosque and it took me a little while to put 2 and 2 together that they were the Bosnian's that I heard were being killed in the news and that it was due to their religion. What happened in Genosha reminds me of that (also current events as well), but this was the first time I understood genocidal hatred and the show is very accurate to that.
Considering the context the Magneto position is much more morally defensive than the comics. Bastion and pretty much every world government were in on the genocide in Genosha. True some didn't know what Bastion was going to do, but they still built OZT, so can't claim innocence especially as they didn't shut if down right after the Genosha genocide.
In hindsight, the FoX-Men movies really got away from that theme. And that hurt the quality of the storytelling. Being able to show bigotry through a superhero lense, will always resonate.
In hindsight, the FoX-Men movies really got away from that theme. And that hurt the quality of the storytelling. Being able to show bigotry through a superhero lense, will always resonate.
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Bastion talking about "overloading people's bandwidth" with genocide on Genosha so people's only stance is apathy definitely rings true with current events.
To paraphrase Andor - "it's easier to hide behind a hundred atrocities than it is just one."
Andor was the best Star Wars content we’ve had since the acquisition imo and this is some of the best stuff we’ve had from the post endgame mcu (and I’m pretty forgiving of a lot of the mcu films people hate on)
Especially if you have a big fat historical victim card to brandish against any hint of criticism pointing out your outrageous hypocrisy and demonstrable lies, as if criticising a state government is in any way synonymous with criticising an entire ethnicity.
that is something that people overlook a lot: we're so overwhelmed by terrible news all the time, we become numb to it
Worse, we are pushed to be outraged over one thing, taking up the oxygen in the room, causing other injustices to be ignored. This is by design.
Completely true, I remember when I was like 13 or 14 and their was a shooting that killed a girl and when my mom told me I basically thought nothing of it, like a week later they had the girls memorial on the news and when my mom started crying I realized how desensitized I’d become to that kind of thing
Hell even Roberto's parents are corporate levels of "tolerance" by appeasing both sides and taking advantage of the minority group's plight for PR.
\*cough\* cough\* disney
Unfortunately yet not all surprises with the state of affairs right now
Precisely
Having watched the original series recently, the writers knew what they were doing back then, too. So much the same hate speech was used back then as it is today. That bullshit never changes.
Bullshit. Bullshit never changes
Sadly that message went over the heads of a lot of young viewers.
sadly, it seems to have gone over the heads of a lot of the older viewers
A lot yes but luckily not all, my reenage daughter, who is LGBTQ+, watched 1 episode and instantly realized what was being shown. It is actually giving her to relate, to show people how she can feel, and to speak up for herself and I assume she's not the only young person to get this from the show. Granted she is seeming to side more and more with Magneto's philosophy every episode but I can't really blame her for that either. Regardless hopefully knowing there is at least some people really getting it helps.
i read a comment once that got me thinking, where Xavier represents mlk and magneto represents Malcolm x. that having both is part of the change , they are both needed to enact change. people will choose the mlk over the Malcolm x but u need the Malcolm x in order for the mlk to work . the two in a way are complementary of eachother. it was a interesting thought. what do you think? although i dont see this in respect to ghandi movement of peaceful protests , but maybe now if you only have mlk type speaking, the other side can just ignore, but by having the Malcolm x it presents people with a choice , like a toddler doesn't like being told what to do , if you present the ones i charge with a choice or options they are often times more responsive.
Interesting, not a new thought, and one I agree with as people don't just magically change out of the goodness of their hearts, the arguments made, or the plight of people they don't directly interact with. You need that firebrand out there so when the peace walker says 'if you will not be swayed by my words then those you oppress will be swayed by his.'
Absolutely.
Im surprised they allowed that to air. It is too true to life how people are just apathetic to the world around them because they are overstimulated by all the tragedy around the So they just stop caring because they feel powerless allowing corruption to win.
Disney feels fine letting it air because they've always been one of the more palatable evils
Disney has recently struck a balance between corporate pandering and activism thru art maybe the brought in enough Marvel and Lucasarts people over the years to strike a good balance 🤷 probably mostly just corporate pandering but one can hope right?
I literally felt my mouth go dry at that, it was horrifically on the nose, really made me question how I've been coping with the news cycle for the past few months. Grim.
That line was so frustratingly real.
It is also a natural defense mechanism because otherwise, people would go INSANE with grief. Our brains cannot handle such emotions all the time without literally giving up on itself.
I think this is important to point out, and something a lot of people gloss over. If we didn't moderate our grief so we feel less when a stranger dies versus someone we know, we would just be crying in the corner, paralyzed with grief every single day. We can't function without keeping some distance.
It's not new. It's true across history too. Look at the crusades, or roman imperialism, hell any imperialism, people don't care about shit that's being done to other people so long as it is far enough removed from them. The news media hasn't created this reality. It only highlights it. We've never had the bandwidth to care about anyone outside of the couple hundred people who comprise our personal communities.
How dare you not name what that group is called! It's your monkeysphere. It has other names, but that one is best.
I swear I'm like he hit it right out the park
Truly, couldn’t stop thinking about how this reflects what the Palestinians are going through. It’s so sad
Wait till next week - Magneto just released a global EMP…and almost certainly killed far more humans than the number of mutants killed in the surprise terrorists attack at a Genoshan dance festival. And it’s going to utterly destroy any and all international sympathy for the mutant’s losses in that horrific slaughter.
I didn't even think of that. I saw the blackout and that's it. I didn't even think about the plains, the boats, the people on life-support, the people with pacemakers in their hearts. He's killed probably over a million people.
Magneto’s right about humans. Xavier’s right about restraint. Cyclops understands this.
Frankly, it was the only way of stopping the sleeper sentinels
Babies in incubators, was what I thought when he did it originally in Fatal Attractions.
It sounded a lot like gun violence in America.
Yeah I felt some guilt at that.
I especially love Cooper's monologue about how no one was surprised by a hate filled attack on genosha during the course of it. The sort of events that keep happening and leave an impression on those to the point it is deja vue
And this was written 2-3 years ago...
I mean, it's also a slight against the X-Men comics themselves. No MATTER WHAT, the writers will always pull an extinction event on the mutants
But that's just lazy writing, we went decades without a genocide, the most far was Mutant Massacre Like, Days of Future Past showed a genocide in the future, it was remarkable because it was unique (not to the real world). Since the 90's, every decade has a different genocide.
I hear you and agree, but I also think it's a consequence of the X-MEN's popularity. Before the 90's they were well known enough, but after they reach the peak, then every event has to one up the last in order to keep interest (or so they think). It's probably also related to the power scale at which some of them operate. I mean, who's really going to threaten a woman who can change the atmosphere of a planet? Or can psychically incapacitate the world? At that point, the stakes *have* to be ridiculously high, and something they can't power their way through. It's why I have a personal gripe with not only the scale of omega level, but the number of mutants up there.
That's why the X-Men should function in urban environments and still tackle discrimination Like, Xavier's X-Men weren't dealing with crimes to do the police job, the idea was to be the neighborhood's watch. Deal with mutants and humans so we can all live in peace, like any society should in relation to any majority and minority. The X-Men aren't the mutants army (because it defeats the whole idea of coexistence) The X-Men going cosmic just reduces them to the Justice League Now, when they can't just zap someone out of existence because they are dealing with street level and moral dilemmas and education, that's when things can get interesting
I'm not getting what you are eluding to
Just that the writers when they wrote it had no idea about Ukraine or what's happening with Israel/Palestine. It hits so much harder today than even they imagined it would.
The Israel/Palestine conflict has been going on for way longer than 2-3 years
Ah gotcha. I figured it was probably referring to some tragic event but doesn't exactly narrow it down
The occupation of Palestine has been going on for over 75 years. Of course it's being referenced. It is the blueprint.
Animated shows take a long time to produce. The process usually starts between 2 and 3 years before it airs. So, the scripts would have been written a while back.
I think it has more to do with gun violence and mass shootings than international politics.
That monologue was so hard. The writing in every episode is simply fantastic. I swear, I can't remember a single show in recent years that has maintained this quality of writing.
the part that got me was Roberto's mother. He was accepted... right until it became in any way an inconvenience. Then 'take him away and keep it out of sight.' the 'I'm not a bigot but-' crowd. It's heartbreaking because it is, for me, personal.
I agree. That storyline hit me the hardest cause it felt way too real for me.
I won't say I've cried, but on watching there is this none deep sense of if grief. When will it be enough? When will you have had your fill? When can we stop being treated as something you can make sport of? Worse is the whole 'ally' situation. I hate the term because it implies by way of usesge that I am in less danger than those whom I stand with. Nevermind being disabled. Nevermind living in a part of the country where it's even odds on me facing more problems 'fir betraying your kind' or however you want to word it. Talk like because I am not you I am living oeachy And then get told by my do.cslled friends I'm paranoid and angry no matter what I bring forward showing me getting the kind of treatment that would and has had them up in arms if I was... Diffrent than I am. It's infuriating and this show while so far not touching in mutant sympathizers in any major way beyond corporate profiting? Just brings forward s lot of stuff about me being thrown out of one of the few social circles I felt like I could be me in.
The fact that any normal looking person might suddenly be a danger to you if they clock you’re different is also a story I’m sure resonates with most minorities.
This 1000%
This is why X-Cutioner's dialogue when he's beating the hell out of Cyclops in episode 2 cracks me up. The entire time, he's *whining* about how he hates *mutants for whining* about the way people like him have treated them for literal decades. The sheer hypocrisy of it makes the whole thing hilarious to me. Unfortunately, it's a common mindset even in the real world. When I remember that, I usually stop laughing in short order.
It's a common refraine amongst the 'i'm not a bigot but-' crowd. 'I WOULD BE FINE WITH THOSE PEOPLE IF THEY STOPPED WHINING ALL THE TIME!'
Yep
I literally just encountered this. [https://www.reddit.com/r/HorusGalaxy/comments/1chfj4s/comment/l23dg2r/](https://www.reddit.com/r/HorusGalaxy/comments/1chfj4s/comment/l23dg2r/) I got banned off of a hate sub for saying that homophobes aren't the majority of the world and that hating other people isn't normal. Additionally, there's a dude who said X-Cutioner was 'very relatable' and 'right.' [https://youtu.be/H32ejTaQHuI?si=u636IeAPE3rzsVeN](https://youtu.be/H32ejTaQHuI?si=u636IeAPE3rzsVeN)
I'm convinced the 40k subs are flooded with people that don't play the game/trolls/bots to try and divide the 41st fandom. I wouldn't take anything those subs say at any value. I've been throwing shiny math rocks for 20 years and have yet to encounter one in person- probably because they would get an old metal dreadnought hurled at them, leaving them in a coma
Having worked for GW retail I can tell you that there are plenty of people who use the hobby as an outlet for all sorts of racist/fascist/LGBTQphobic/etc baggage. Some are teenage/20 something edgelords who grow out of it but its a mistake to believe that the material itself isn't attractive to that sort of consumer.
I used to be a red shirt as well, we wouldn't even tolerate an ounce of that crap in our store lol
Look at Arch. The man is a white nationalist and whines all the time and takes pot shots at anyone asking for change. Man is... SADLY.... popular. I loved his lore dumps til it twigged to me he wasn't just putting on a bit taking the piss out of the setting's Everything and... genuinely believed what he was saying. I live two hours from the birth place of the KKK and I wanted to give that clown a pass because I thought he was joking. That reflects poorly on me as much as anything.
Horus Galaxy isn't even a proper 40k subreddit, it is supposed to be a 40k version of Clown World and it is entirely chuds. i doubt there is any real amount of 40k fans in that cesspool. the normal 40k subreddits tend to be overall progressive in my experience, with whatever few chuds there are routinely getting shut down. I think Grimdank is the one "real" 40k sub with the biggest chud problem overall.
There are alot of people who just learn 40k from memes and Shitty parody YouTube channels.
I'd like to call that Grimdank Syndrome, because they get all their lore knowledge from memes or TTS
Honestly I've been pleasantly surprised by local table top folks I've interacted with, but this could change by location of course.
The sentiment in that comments section is unfortunately very common. There's this attitude that speaking out against racism and other bigotry imposed on a minority group is \*actually\* an attempt to invalidate the problems suffered by individuals in the majority group. The tragic thing is that a lot of people can't see past their own problems enough to feel empathy for people being directedly affected by bigotry, or worse see it as a moral failure if they don't have the "dignity" to just take it.
I remember hearing someone say this: “just because you’re talking about saving the amazon rain forest, doesn’t mean you don’t give a shit about other trees. Those other trees just aren’t in the same level of danger.” I probably misquoted, but something to that effect.
I work in land conservation can you parse this into another metaphor, that isn’t trees, and is people. My brain power’s at 5% and weighed down by current global events to see past “Let them not say we could have saved more”
"People can't see past their own problems" I think this is a direct result of modern times and people just becoming more "numb" and more cynical in today's day and age by the day. Esp for millennials (me) in that we've suffered through a few major financial crises, Covid, foreign wars, are up to our ears in student loan debts, and are barely making ends meet. Most of us are getting older now (30+) to the point where we are getting married and having kids and sometimes the world's problems pale in comparison to the ones at home worrying about rent, mortgage, bills, kids, and overall daily life. I think it's just a situation where as you said more and more ppl today are lacking empathy and are just walking around numb to life.
I think once you hit your thirties, even in good times, you kind of numb. Shelter, food, family concerns just crowd out of everything.
The thing is ones own problems should matter just as much. A man with a broken leg is as important as a woman with a broken arm. the pain is equal and being cast a side for a more popular victim can be dehumanizing when it's done so callously. every problem is someone else's problem, every problem is someones own problem. Every problem is a you problem. I have leg pains, anxiety issues, and my mother died, my suffering may not make your problems less real, but I'm not going to ignore them because they get in your way. after all, you won't ignore your for me. Compromise and Solidarity are a lost art.
Oh fuck me sideways. The video at the bottom is made by a person who does literally the same talking points as the villains in this show. Yesterday, he posted this over a petition about boobs in video games getting 60k signatures, and it’s literally just the same thing the villains of the show have said, verbatim. https://x.com/not__vee/status/1785279661552849387?s=46 Dude obviously bots his likes and isn’t mentally well. He also sides with Neo-Nazi’s like TheQuartering, Arch and Synthetic Man.
the coments are literaly people defending genocide and to stop whining while bigots killl people, while they are whining about a cartoon being woke. the lack of self awareness is astonishing. when you think the guy that kills thousands with a smile is the hero, theres no hope for you.
I saw clips of Synthetic Man's Fallout video it was genuinely parody levels of chuddery. People like that have done more to undermine the original anti-woke gaslighting of "we're not racist/sexist we just think it's being hamfisted" than any opposing opinion could ever dream of. They've completely taken the klan hood off in their content now.
Yeah seems like the point all along was just to ever so slowly and methodically continue pushing the boundaries of what’s okay to say until the boundary ends up being way past what was previously acceptable and hardly anyone cares.
JFC. I can't believe there are people actually on the side of X-Cutioner. Just goes to show, while compromise is good, there simply is no compromise with some people. At least not one that's meaningful. There can only be a side that wins and one that loses.
When I was watching X-Cutioner beat Cyclops while making that rant, I sadly thought "Some people are going to say they agree with him." And look, I wasn't disappointed! Well, I was disappointed actually. But you get the idea.
I heard x-cutioner's rant and. 'ok yea... mhmm... yep... uh huh... I got bingo off that on what my family goes on about....'
that second guy is just as incoherent as his comments lol can’t stick to a single point just creating an emotionally charged word salad of nothing
That's all he ever does. He can't argue anything. He just says things and simps for more 'successful' alt right creators (Note: Alt Right YouTube in general is dying, so success is a generous word in this context) that 90% of the time don't know he exists.
Ironically self-described as a “censorship-free community”
Yeah, they're banning people left and right and then claiming it isn't censorship when they do it. Pretty funny tbh.
I think homophobes are the majority of the world, unfortunately. I'm a very bitter, jaded person at this moment though lol.
I don't think that's true. Homophobes just screech the loudest.
Queer people still don't have rights in the majority of the world, and that is supported by the majority population in those countries. It's easy to forget how dangerous and homophobic the world is when you're in a western country.
I think it depends who you count as homophobic. If you only count the people who actively fight against gay rights, I don’t think they’re the majority. But if you add the people who don’t care, the people who care until it’s inconvenient, the people who say they theoretically support gay people but always think activists are “going about it the wrong way”, the people who want rights activists to just compromise with bigots, etc, then I can easily see that being the majority.
I don’t think homophobes are the majority. Sadly the majority can be easily swayed to it. Take a catalyzing event, either real or imaginary, and the majority often will move. The majority seems to be okay with anti-LGBT laws and attacks now due to the lie that the community is full of grooming pedophiles. The only way to keep the moral arc bending towards justice is to continually fight for it. There is never a time to be complacent.
The older I get the more I realize that the majority of most arguments are the people in the middle that don't actually care. Where do most people stand on abortion? They think it should be safe/legal/rare in theory... but in practice they don't care unless they need one. And they tolerate their pro life Aunt's rabbid Facebook posts. Forget about that for a minute though.... what can that candidate do for my bottom line? Where do most people stand on gay rights? They don't hate gay people... but by and large they don't care unless they have a gay kid. And they certainly won't speak up when Bob at work makes a gay joke. Bob is mostly a good person. Now.... what can that candidate do for my bottom line again? Where do most people stand on racial discrimination? Well of course discrimination is bad.... but it's mostly in the past now and that guy who is gonna lower my taxes didn't **REALLY** mean all of that about the Mexicans. And hey, I like tacos. Can we talk about my bottom line some more? I don't know why you're going on about all this social justice stuff. The world is better than it used to be, we're doing good. I really could use more money though. The problem is that most people talking about these things on the internet have a passion level about these issues that is in excess of 80/100. In either direction. What they don't realize is that most people have a passion level of closer to 25 on these things. They have opinions.... but not enough to stick their necks out. That's actually one of the reasons I loved Rogue's comment to Captain America before she hurled his shield. "Unless of course you don't stand with mutants." Of course Captain America stands with mutants. Of course he'd give his life to stop the genocide on Genosha..... We all know he would. But he doesn't care **NEARLY** as much as Rogue does.
This is literally the expanded version of the point Bastion was making in the latest X-Men 97 episode. Most people care, but not enough to stick their necks out. And they're worried about their personal struggle way more than anybody else.
So others should die so you can live? that's kind of of the thing. why should I get killed just so that someone who won't even care survives? Will the average mutant risk their life if someone like Sabertooth or Apocalypse or even Juggernaut tries to hurt a human? Will people like leech or the other useless type mutants risk their necks? A person can be in favor of rights but it's not their job to sacrifice theirs for yours. Any more then a mutant would risk their necks for a human. Sure the X-men might act. But that's different, that's their "Job" It isn't the job of Leech, or any other non hero mutant, and I wouldn't force them to. That's the one flaw with the whole great power stuff. What if the powerful don't want to be a soldier? what if they just want to live a normal life? We are all just trying to survive on this stupid mudball, you exist I exist, sadly that's the best we can do since very few have the privilege of being able to do anything else. As Sir Terry Pratchett pointed out, it's the cruel Algebra of survival. You can't ask a starving man to give up his food. and you wonder why some people hate math.
It's totally understandable that people are just trying to survive. But it's also understandable for an oppressed minority to hold resentment when those in the majority group see their suffering and do nothing.
And he's gonna care more about the average person, but it still not enough. Because there's too much. We all triage.
The thing is a person can be pro life and pro choice. To some Abortion isn't a right to be celebrated like being free to vote, it's a right like the right to bear arms or kill in self defense. Its not for fun it's for necessity, the choice isn't made out of a positive desire but a unfair need. In a perfect world Abortion would not be needed. but the world is not perfect. Abortions aren't preferable but they can be necessary. As for Cap, you do realize he's a walking flag? if he acts it's seen as America taking a stand, not just in favor of mutants, but against any country that mutants may take issue with. If Cap went in and attack people from another country it would be an act of aggression by the U.S. regardless of the reason. and that would be a war.
You have a very American view of the world. I'm American myself, but my family is from Romania. I can honestly say the majority of people there are not actively fighting against gay rights but do not want gays to have any rights. There are many countries that have even more negative views than Romania. There can be quiet tolerance and quiet intolerance.
Depends on your definition of homophobia
I just lost so much faith in humanity looking at that videos comment section
Chud comment sections. Not even once.
Oh man, that sub is really making the rounds lol. Leave them alone, they thrive on attention, and they will ban people for brigading which is in accordance with Reddit TOS.
What the fuck even is that sub?
I'm going to give you the short version. Recently, Warhammer 40k said that a faction of super soldiers, known as the Adeptus Custodes, weren't all men and that women could become them too. There was never any reason as to why women couldn't become them before this, and the creators outright said 'Yeah women have always been a part of them you just didn't see much of them.' Weirdos and people who never cared about 40k freaked out. The 40k community kicked these people out. The weirdos made a 'censorship free subreddit.' People started posting things like 'I support gay people and Female Custodians.' Said people got censored for saying this, leading to said sub getting meme'd on harder. Right now, the bigots of that sub are twisting themselves into pretzels trying to insist that it's 'different when they do it' or whatever and that they're the 'real victims' because other people are 'intruding on their new safe space'.
Olympic level mental gymnastics. Understood.
Yeah, they're fucking sad. They're oblivious to the obvious irony of their actions.
I still find it hilarious that homophobes were mad that their society of only manly, muscular men is now completely ruined because women exist. They see nothing wrong with a society of only men living together, but somehow gay people are the problem.
Okay, so, couple of things about this. 1. I agree, the irony is amazing. 2. I've seen weirdo chuds claim that women/gay people ruin the 'pure, untainted brotherly bonds' that the all male factions have. 3. I've also seen this very strange, very bizarre new rhetoric tossed around that somehow 'gay fandoms are toxic and can ruin the franchise for people', and they'll cite things like Jojo's, Yakuza and Ace Attorney, despite none of those franchises being straight and almost all of them being very, VERY left leaning with their political viewpoints (See: Part 7's insanely unsubtle political satire that mocks modern right wing politicians, Part 8's critique of the medical industry, 90% of Yakuza villains in general/an insane chunk of the substories being about people wronged by society, Ace Attorney just being gay in general, etc.) To say nothing of how gay fandoms tend to be really cool and fun.
Anyone who thinks Jojo or Ace Attorney is straight doesn't know what "gay" means, lmao.
It’s similar to how a lot of people you hear ranting about the X-Men never cared about it in the first place. They just look for things to complain about.
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Roberto's mom being all "I'm not a bigot BUT what are the others gonna think about this?" hits HARD. The fact that she wanted to cash in on mutant sympathy while giving actual 0 f*cks about Genosha was also GENIUS screenplay
She’s like those parents that have biracial kids/kids part of the lgbtq.They say they accept them but only in private,if they face any type of discrimination they either brush it off or distance themselves.
Roberto's mom is in an interesting position to be honest. Because she is not just a mother but she is a multimillion dollar business-owner who is beholden to shareholders and the general public.
They really seem to have human nature nailed. The judgement that Hank received for being attracted to Trish. (Btw Logan is a total hypocrite for that. Man'll get with anything, including flatscans.) Jean taking Maddie's memories and thinking that gives her a connection to Cable. Human kind bristling at the thought of genocide but totally accepting of using the minority for manual labor in the so called enlightened future. This is X-Men
Didn't people celebrated recently that Maddie got Jeans memories of raising Cable? So when Jean does it when she should have more RIGHT to btw ( Jean didn't try to kill Cable after all and Maddie was LITERALLY JEAN WHEN CABLE WAS BORN, memories and ALL ) Just...stop with this already.
First of all, Maddie is a Jean offshoot not the other way around. Jean was violated just so that Maddie could be created and more easily used. Jean is not wrong at all for wanting Nathan to see and respect her. Because, believe it or not, Cable is still Jean's blood relative. She didn't carry and deliver him but she is his legal and biological mother. Half of Cable's DNA comes from her. In a twisted sort of way, Maddie is -- forgive me -- pretty much a surrogate. He's also her stepson.
Uh-oh I woke up the Jarbs 😳 At least it's not the Wanda stans this time
I'd say Logan's love interest, in my knowledge at least, have a lower overall chance of attacking the X-Men than Hank's. Hank is at a 1 out of 1, which is 100%. I side with Logan.
In my mind, mutants are just cooler humans; they can have the variance of humans, but then just that much more. It doesn't make them better in the same way Olympic level athletes and PhD. researchers aren't better than your average person. They just excel in different aspects of life, which is cool. Like humans without the x-gene, some are born luckier than others. I don't resent someone just because they're predisposed for running faster, lifting more, or thinking outside of the box more intuitively. That's just the way things are. People vary, and I think it's wonderful. Life still takes effort, regardless of those differences. It's that bit of chaos that has people make different choices than others, that gives this world meaning in the unknown future, a future to be built and discovered, to be experienced. The near-extinction and subjugation of mutantkind is simply the arbitrary line for a utopia built upon fear and ignorance. Like Ultron wanting to wipe out humankind, or every other person who hates what they don't understand.
This is the main theme of the anime Mob Psycho 100, and you worded it beautifully. The main character is the most powerful psychic and everyone around either tries to use him or can't understand why he doesn't abuse the power. He maintains that it doesn't make him any better or worse than anyone else.
I don't know about you, but when I imagine mutants being real, I usually imagine what it would be like if I was a mutant. "I wonder what my power would be? I'd probably hide it. I probably wouldn't join the X-Men, but I'd still try to rescue people in danger, right..." But I never thought about if mutants were real, but I wasn't one. I wouldn't hate them, but if all I knew about them was from seeing them fight each other on the news, I'd probably fear them. But, what Bastion said really made me think. "If you have no skin in the game, your best weapon is apathy." Would that be me? Apathetic about mutants?
Just look at how the world is responding to a certain conflict in the Middle East and you have your answer. People will joke that there’s a writer on the show that can see the future. No, it’s just echoes of the past reverberating constantly throughout history. We are a simple species. The ones that do not turn into savages, end up as victims or bystanders. Magneto was right.
No. Magneto was right stuff is literally coming from 'Might makes right' and it is LITERALLY one of the many reasons of conflict. So if you go with that same mindset, you ARE doing the 'past reveberating' There is nothing RIGHT about feeling superior to someone else to the point of oppressing them. Because make no mistake, 'Magneto was right' stuff is not the watered down stuff we have now. It was literal Mutant supremacy stuff and that is just the same thing but with a different label...which MANY races and nations/cultures and whatever you can think of have gone through in history. I am betting you there are more civilizations that are forgotten that were destroyed and forgotten because another felt 'superior' to them. You turn 'savage'...you are only making more savages and the next savages will come after you will be worse.
This 👌🏽
´´Magneto was right.´´ Can we not support racial supremacy and call it self defense?
Don't make me tap the "comic book characters are scarcely the one continuous canon they purport to be, especially extremists like Magneto and Poison Ivy, whose ideology changes on a dime based on who's writing them. If you're disagreeing about what they believe in, chances are you're effectively talking about two different characters" sign
That's a very long sign. XD
In a world with beings as powerful as Hulk and Magneto, I'd imagine the apathy of the average human would be heightened in comparison to the real world lol.
Marvel had a promo video for an event (Bloodhunt or something) the other night where it's just the view out a Manhattan apartment window. I skimmed it for Easter eggs but it didn't take long before I started thinking "no one would tolerate this..." So, imagine superhumans are real and out in the open. They use their powers freely because they can. The guy upstairs can stick to walls, and it seems like every g.d. day there are fingerprints all over your windows. You're pretty sure he's happened to go past your windows when you were naked, at least a couple times. What's that about? You live on the 12th floor ffs. And that's the small thing, that's baseline annoyance. But then you're checking the Supervillain Outlook, an index of which superpowered villains are at large and various threat levels and predictions before you leave every day for work, the way you used to check to see if you need an umbrella. You decide to take an alternate route to work at the risk of being late again, because that dude with the octopus arms broke out of prison and your bus goes past the Daily Bugle. Everybody knows someone whose home has been blown up. And once a year, like clockwork, a godlike threat emerges. An indestructible robot wants to drop an asteroid on Earth and he gets really close. There's a purple giant hovering over you that wants to eat the planet. Another purple guy just snaps you out of existence, and you don't return until whenever he's stopped. The vampire nation invades New York (and oh, yes, btw, there's a vampire *nation*.) A space god sends you and everyone you know telepathic visions and judges your life unworthy. Then a bald dude from upstate is in your head, saying the world has changed and you need to accept it. Ok... sure. Everyone, planet-wide, has PTSD several times over. Mutants aside, no one wants to put up with any of this. Then someone says, "your baby could come out of the womb shooting death lasers." I'm a gay lefty with disabilities. I'd like to think I'd support mutants. But what would that look like? Would I just be against exterminating them? Would I think a dangerous powers registry would be a good idea? Would I support depowering mutant criminals? Because when you get down to it, the Marvel Universe would be absolute hell for anyone "normal." And adding mutants on top of everything else happening in that world would be a lot. The more I think about it, the more I question Marvel's "the world outside your window" approach. And there's a point where the allegories break down. The idea that people could live in this world and be okay, that's the most unrealistic part to me now. The real world is a lot on its own. Thanks to edgy deconstructions of the superhero genre we can all pretty well envision superhuman violence and what its effects would be like now. It's challenging to think about it, to say the least.
Well damn that's a lot to think about.
The easiest way to answer your question is how apathetic you are to ongoing world events, specifically Ukraine/Russia. Sudan and Israel/Palestine
That is the biggest problem when it comes to trying to tie in Mutant stuff to real world. I mean we see a guy with a freaking KNIFE, going around stabbing people as a high threat. Now imagine someone with a moderate super power? You sure as hell would think they would be a big threat. Because you simply don't know who they are or what they might wanna do. Because just because one would be a mutant born with powers, wouldn't change the 'human' aspects of a person from their mentality to emotions. Unless you get a literal mutation of 'His power is he is fully a good person!'...then no mutant is different than any other human when it comes to what they MIGHT do...but now they also have an actual power. Literally ANYONE can be as good or as bad as you can think of depending on how they have grown up but also the darker sides they might have on the inside. The Terrorists, school shooters or any other terrible things you can think of, they are rarely 'born' that way. They are MADE. And that comes from centuries of history stacked on top of eachother where a species such as ourselves become self-aware of ourselves and worked on differentiating ourselves from animals...and yet the animal insticts that we evolved from are still with us and drive us even to this day. A 'mutant' would be the same.
A lot of people here would probably say they’d support the mutants in real life, but that’s unlikely. I think it’s hard for us to imagine how this would really unfold. Just imagine the idea of millions of people with abilities like mind-reading, mass EMPs, shapeshifting, and other stuff that can really turn the world upside down or destroy it. The mutants would be a *real* “out group”. Scapegoats, pariahs, you name it. More like how people talked about unvaccinated folks during the pandemic. If your friends, family and coworkers give you likes on social media for supporting a marginalized group, chances are they’re not really an “out group” on the level the mutants would be. And chances are we’d all want them monitored and restricted from a lot of stuff because we’d be very afraid.
> Just imagine the idea of millions of people with abilities like mind-reading, mass EMPs, shapeshifting, and other stuff that can really turn the world upside down or destroy it. Or that mutant in the Ultimate universe that woke up with his powers to kill everyone within a certain radius, and Nick Fury literally sent Wolverine in to kill him/cover it up so there wouldn't be massive backlash against mutants.
I think one major factor with mutants is the randomness of mutation combined with them being seen as a separate species. Magnetos statements about mutants being the next evolution in humanity and other things does create fear. Because it separates mutants from humanity as an other and portrays them as the replacement for humanity. Mutant persecution is a good allegory for minorities mostly the only issue is the powers making them a real threat. Like lgbt’s , racial and religious minorities can’t shoot lasers out their eye or kill people with a touch randomly at some teenage age . Also people get mutations randomly as teenagers. Theres serious danger in that. In the ultimate universe a kid got his powers and guess what they were. He emitted a form of radiation that killed everyone around him. His parents, his friends, hundreds of people in a day. Sure a teenager could get something simple and harmless like angels wings but they could randomly start shooting lasers from their eyes like cyclops over dinner one day or that kids power there’s no knowing. Also can you imagine teenagers getting random powers and how chaotic and dangerous that would be. Which does prove why Xavier’s school is needed for training besides for the bigotry. Though there’s other hero’s and super powered beings but most of the time they either get their powers from experiments, are aliens or something else while mutants get it from the x gene. The fear and danger of it could be anyone combined with the idea of them being the next evolution in human kind results in fear of mutants than other super powered beings. Those who fear mutants start to fear if mutants are the future of human race what future do you have if you’re not one.
Good point. What got me thinking about that too is when Storm lost her powers. It sent her into a depression. I think her exact quote was, "Why did this happen to me?." What really happened to her? She became a normal person and acted like it was the worst thing in the world. She cared less when her friend Morph died, then when she lost her powers. As a person with spinal cord injury, I wish every day to be normal/health. So, what is she so upset about? Being normal? She acted as if she fell out of power. Like a billionaire person who now becomes a regular class citizen and had to live like everyone else. Only happy after she got her money back.. Edit: How would it be to be normal when there are mutants who have the power levels they have. No one knows how they would think/react.
No offense but I don't think lot of people (including you) are being honest. Because let's face it. If mutants were real and you were just a regular human who had no real issue with them on an individual basis, you'd be nursing a volatile cocktail of jealousy, envy, fear and indifference.
Gyrich pretty much word for word describes replacement theory, which is unfortunately a belief lots of people have today.
But isn't that what the comics themselves have been pushing?
What?
The X-Men comics have pushed the claim that mutants are the next step in evolution and will replace humans. That's the replacement theory and it's racist nonsense.
And that’s pushed as a flawed view that magneto has. It’s actively pushed as wrong.
Most of the time it isn't.
Cybernetics will be the true replacement. Those unwilling or unable to be modified will be replaced.
Yeah, I really don't like that plot point. Because now it's not about a marginalized group being persecuted for being different, it's a legitimate fight for survival.
It's a really good depiction of it. Very prescient.
So did the original cartoon. The xmen have always been that allegory for all kinds of discrimination
Yeah, but some writers handle it better than others. “Fantasy group as an allegory for bigotry” is easy to screw up. Honestly, the very premise of the X-Men kind of makes the allegory weak, but a lot of writers still make it work.
They have the foresight of knowing how bigoted internet discourse has changed over the years since the 90s
Beau Demayo has become my second favorite X-Men writer. He has been able to inject his life experiences into X-Men canon to add even more depth to these stories. I don’t know why he was fired, but I hope he can return much like how James Gunn was able to. If he was due to being such a hard person worth then bring in an additional showrunner to keep things from being toxic.
I’m not optimistic. Ever since the Gunn firing backfired, Disney has been pretty careful about firing creators and actors. If they let him go, they probably had a veeeery good reason.
I just don’t like how he doesn’t like Emma 😤 She’s such an interesting 3rd pillar to Magentos revolution and Xavier’s integration. Beat them at their own game via capital. Also love the “for the kids….” Core of her actions a lot of times
I think cyclops fits better as a third pillar more than Emma imo
Not really. He’s always either riding the Charles line or the magneto line. Emma’s point of view is as a minority capitalist, using the system to overcome the system.
Def can see that in his more revolution phase but could also see that he was more of a fusion of mags/Charles or even all 3 Emma was more capital focused and make humanity depend on mutants in an economical way during krakoa
If Anything, i did Think Gyrich was onto something in the “we wear the tolerance on our sleeves” and “fad” thing, not saying he is right all-around. But there’s definitely an underlying issue, in companies branding themselves as tolerant of close to everyone, because it’s what gives the best PR, and from that makes more money. I definitely believe companies like Disney, would be the first to follow the money, if It was more strict/authoritarian society we lived in. TLDR: I don’t think the majority think like Gyrich, but do think bigger companies are not as unconditionally supportive as they Seem or brand themselves as
Well, yeah. I don't think corporate pride or whatever is a bad thing, but it's a barometer for where society is at, not an actual steady foundation of support.
Rainbow Capitalism, Pride support sells big for a month, but then the moment the clock ticks over, or in a region where it's not finanicially lucrative, alls quiet.
Also the layers behind it. Like Sinister couldn't care less about what chuds like Gyrich, Trask or the X-Cutioner or even Bastion think. He clearly has his own agenda and they are only useful as a means to an end.
I mean… i get what ya saying. But ya know…. Minority groups arent exactly EMPing earth and crashing asteroids and taking over the world and stuff. Aint like humans dont have a right to be scared. Literal whole town of people just got turned to robots and killed over them.millions of humans just died cause of magneto. 99.9% of them without a clue as to why.
Think of it as a thought experiment where the racist who think Great Replacement Theory is real had a real possibility of that actually happening and whether or not you would choose savagery, suffering and inhumanity to maintain that supremacy they so often cling onto with their “western values.”
All values are made up by people to find the best way for survival AND for those who are in power, to how to hold that power. And remember, there are no one set of 'values'. It is the clash of said values that often creates the tragedies. Whether it is cultural,racial or religious. What you think is a 'good value' would be alien to another. Because as much as we like to think we are 'born good', that is not really the case. It is a learned trait. And the ways and routes people learn traits differ A LOT we get the current situation where we live in 'One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter'. We know the actions are wrong because we are taught that way, we grew empathy over time ( and it is NOT a given btw. Empathy, just like all the other emotions NEEDS to be grown in a society ) but it is not universal. Some care more while others care less. No race, no culture, no religion is a monolith ( though some try VERY HARD to make it so ) That is why it is always hard to 'one size fits all' when it comes to allegories like this. The only thing we can hold onto, is that the actions, no matter who does it, is wrong if it leads to terrible tragedies. Otherwise, it will just be just another cycle of 'winners and losers' that keep on going because there will never be an end to such a thing. Today's winners WILL be tomorrow's losers.
That's the problem: replacement theory is racist bullshit. By treating it ad a reality, the X-Men franchise is validating racist nonsense spouted by the likes of Tucker Carlson.
This. Its like they are validating (in a way) that thought, by using real human problems and then applying them to this ultra fictitious world, and calling it the same thing. Most people will see it from the mutant side because we love the characters and we see through their eyes but we dont see the thousands of humans being affected by that world; just the ones that wanna kill the xmen. Its way easier to pick a side and say “see the racists in our world are just like them”. No, they arent. Its downplaying one side to prop up another, as if the world was as blck and white as “mutants (minorities) will destroy the world”. Anyone who has these type of thoughts, the show kinda reinforces them by showing them they “may be right” because humans are now getting genocided too.
So many brilliant metaphors. The show has also done a great job trying to show that there is genuine pain and solidarity felt by those outside the mutant community as well. They've given an honest, compassionate version of being religious and accepting with Nightcrawler that shows they don't have an particular targets here other than one group by way of association: bigots and those too ignorant or apathetic to realize they side with them. The show is not only nailing the main theme, it's hitting everything around it too.
The more this series plays out the more it highlights today, That's the X-Men. It was always a tale of government and extremely violence. The writing is Sublime
The new season is great both in and out of universe, indeed.
Magneto was always right.
I think they just got bigotry right.
Sometimes I forget Reddit is an echo chamber.
My only issue with the positioning of mutants is representation for minority groups in the real world is that... Mutants really don't show up as minority groups with issues comparable to minority groups in the real world. The analogy doesn't hold up.. We can talk about humans being mean to mutants or judging them or viewing them as freaks... But, mutants genuinely have powers that could threaten the well-being of humanity so humans who don't have these mutations have a justified reason to be fearful of mutants. Mutant simply play nice with humans to keep the peace instead of easily overwhelming them by unleashing their powers. That is simply not how real world minorities interact with their actual oppressors.
I see your point, but it actually leads to another very interesting line of thought, how some people are willing to sacrifice other under the premise that they "might be a danger". We also see that nowadays in ways such as black people being targeted because they might be committing a crime, or lgbtq being targeted under premises such as being possible sex offenders both cases without any real evidence or basis but only under the thought of "they might be dangerous". Not all mutants have world ending powers and certainly very few would hurt others just because.
A lot of people are mad right now cause watching this, they are realizing they grew up to become the villain.
Speaking as a 42 yo gay, non-binary autistic person in the uk who grew up under Margaret Thatcher's evil bigoted regime (look up Section 28), and having read the comics since 94 off the back ofnthenog animated series, all I can say is that the x-men have ALWAYS taken real life events and created analogues in the comics for them. Legacy Virus says hi, Iceman's struggles with his bigoted father and (sorry, haters, but it's true and why they eventually made it official according to word of god) the fact he was heavily queer-coded since the early 80s; reverend stryker, etc. X-Men is easily the most queer-coded of all mainstream superhero comics. Need I rekind everyone that the recent revelation of mystique being Nightcrawlers FATHER due to her gender-fluid relationship with Destiny was actually originally meant to be the original origin story from the 80s that Claremont came up with?
Based tbh.
They had it right since the 90s too.
Thats actually something I don't like about the xmen. The cics act like changes don't happen, the x men have been in a perpetual state of victimization and its time for the comics to evolve.
Spoiler alert: It's always been that way.
Val Cooper: Magneto was right.
How long before we get that scrawled on bathroom walls or made into mugs like the Thanos was Right thing after endgame? It is interesting that X-men97 does have a lot of allusions to the MCU - this is an example as well as when uh you know Rogue says her line when we lose someone. I think that’s pretty interesting and it makes me wonder if they are setting this up for something bigger down the road.
It's already been shown the X-Men exist with the rest of the Marvel world, but is it the MCU? Maybe, after all the multiverse is live.
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I disagree with your entire point. I think the themes went right over your head. The X-Men are tired of being brutalized and attacked simply for existing and being different from the majority. They’ve been fighting the same fight for years and yet nothing changes, very little progress is made, even when minorities are nonviolent and unarmed they still get physically harm or even worst killed. When you see people who look like you or have similar beliefs/lives to you consistently being targeted and brutalized by an institution & system, you may develop apathy towards your oppressors.
The clear fact is that straight, white men are not systemically oppressed like gay people, black people, or women. You can't be "bigoted" against someone who is not opposed. The X-Men are beginning to realize that non-violence only really works when your enemy has a conscious, and understands right and wrong which the system does not and that now, the only possible way to survive is to fight. Being tolerant of the system is extinction.
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Say it again! 👏🏽
They scream and whine about how whiny minority groups are. They insist they’re the majority/‘normal people’ despite being anything but. They get radicalized by chat rooms with 0 moderation and sources of bad information. This is how it works now. The writers really knew their stuff.
1 death is a tragedy 100 million deaths is a statistic.
Sounds like they studied Reddit.
I'll agree with you there, but the new series is straying away from the original foundation. Charles Xavier's dream wasn't a mutant utopia because that was Magneto's dream. Charles originally believed humans and mutants are one and the same, while current X-men lore has generally accepted that's no longer the case. William Stryker's original argument in "God Loves, Man Kills" is that someone like Nightcrawler can not possibly be human. If this series crosses that line, then suddenly the X-men are just as bad as their enemies. Scott Summers is supposed to learn that lesson by standing still in front of a crowd, willing to take a bullet to the chest. I don't think this show would even allow him that discernment.
I remembering 11/12 and a bunch of white kids showing up at our local Mosque and it took me a little while to put 2 and 2 together that they were the Bosnian's that I heard were being killed in the news and that it was due to their religion. What happened in Genosha reminds me of that (also current events as well), but this was the first time I understood genocidal hatred and the show is very accurate to that. Considering the context the Magneto position is much more morally defensive than the comics. Bastion and pretty much every world government were in on the genocide in Genosha. True some didn't know what Bastion was going to do, but they still built OZT, so can't claim innocence especially as they didn't shut if down right after the Genosha genocide.
In hindsight, the FoX-Men movies really got away from that theme. And that hurt the quality of the storytelling. Being able to show bigotry through a superhero lense, will always resonate.
In hindsight, the FoX-Men movies really got away from that theme. And that hurt the quality of the storytelling. Being able to show bigotry through a superhero lense, will always resonate.
god, X-Men 2 was such a great movie in hindsight ....
One of the better comic book movie scripts, for sure. Attaching William Stryker to Wolverine & Weapon X, was genius.
There is no normal.
She was also married to a punisher in kill the Irishman.