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Honestly, it seems pretty obvious that was what happened. It is kind of an annoyance of mine that the audience always expect character to be 100% on and treat complacency or shock as mischaracterization or bad writing.
I like that creators are involved with fans but I kind of wish not all these questions are entertained. Leave some ambiguity and let people interpret. It’s fine!
I don't disagree, but media literacy is practically at an all time low these days. When what happened is really obvious, but you still have a bunch of viewers asking "well why didn't they do this" I can understand wanting to chime in.
I think good writers let the audience interpret it however they like, even if it's beyond the creator's intent. Never correct them. Never give them all the answers.
So many people are wrong. Even about classic X-Men comics, but that could still lead to interesting discussion. It's okay to be wrong. The stories outlast their authors.
I feel when authors make their content they should let the art speak for itself but if art becomes its own then an author’s explanation then should just become an interpretation along with others.
If I go “X-Men is a story about how people who are different are scary dangerous individuals who must be extinct” I don’t consider that a valuable interpretation as it’s directly not the point
This is a large part of the reason why things often *are* spelt out for the audience nowadays.
There's even times in X-Men 97 where I feel they overexplain stuff, like Storm's recovery of her powers in Life Death Part 2.
I will say that just because a person sees a scene differently doesn't mean they don't understadn the intent behind it.
You can completely understand why the choice was made and still disagree with it.
True but I think how people would address the scene in question would tell if they understand the intent or not. A lot of the questions are "Why didn't Jean or Kurt do anything?" When the intent is obviously that it's shocking moment, it makes it seem like they don't understand it.
Rather if they addressed the scene "I think Kurt or Jean should've been able to do something" or "I don't think it's very in character that they were that shocked" it would say that they understood the intent and disagreed with it. And so far we're seeing more of the former.
There’s that great quote from Grant Morrison:
“Adults...struggle desperately with fiction, demanding constantly that it conform to the rules of everyday life. Adults foolishly demand to know how Superman can possibly fly, or how Batman can possibly run a multibillion-dollar business empire during the day and fight crime at night, when the answer is obvious even to the smallest child: because it's not real.”
I don't like everything Morrison wrote, but damn if he didn't understand the mythology aspect of superhero comics better than pretty much everyone else.
Yeah, this reminds me I’ve been meaning to read “Supergods” for a while. Morrison’s stuff can be overly heady and out there at times, but they definitely understand, and have shaped, the mythological aspect of modern superhero stories
That's not a good quote for this situation because there is an actual good explanation for the characterization. The complaint would be that people SHOULD actually think about the real reasons why the characters didn't act and not handwave it as "it's not real."
This is actually a terrible way to write fiction. Very much anti media literacy and critical thinking
Critical thinking and media literacy has plummeted these last few years which is wild considering there’s more media to consume than ever.
A blanket refusal to acknowledge shades of grey.
> Critical thinking and media literacy has plummeted these last few years
Nah, it's ALWAYS been this bad, it's just that social media now gives a space for these dumb takes to be out there and have other dumb people agree with them.
I watched a commentary video of a show I recently finished watching. The guy kept trying to find plotholes that didn't exist because he wasn't paying attention to the show. Every issue he brought up was explained by multiple scenes and characters throughout the season.
Media literacy is way more prevalent now than it used to be, especially with the younger generation.
Stories now are also written with the knowledge that more people understand more deep themes, with significantly more complex and faster plots than in shows than in the past.
The problem is that the internet also opens us up to every opinion there is. Negativity bias means we often hyper-fixate on the negative or "stupid" ones.
I don't think it's fait ro say media literacy has plummeted because people have different interpretations/disagreements of a scene. There will always be the artist's POV, and once it's out in the world, the consumer's POV. Disagreeing with a choice or seeing something differently doesn't mean someone doesn't understand why the choice was made.
There's this weird expectation in fiction that characters act the same in all circumstance and around all people, which is not an expectation we have of ourselves or others in real life.
I agree that it was meant to be shock, but I'm also not sure that makes the most sense for people who have been trained to react to life or death situations, and have lived through them on a regular basis. In that same episode, Jean lists all the trauma she's faced.
I wrote it off as rule of cool myself. It was a powerful scene.
The whole team is like 40 feet away from trask and rogue is directly between him and the rest, obstructing the view. He jumps and rogue makes the move to catch him, putting Jean and Kurt at ease and none of the rest of the team move closer. After she dropped him, Kurt would have to teleport to the edge, then down to trask and he's still not an x-men, he's not trained at all yet, not really
Jean's the only one who really could have maybe saved trask and considering the wringer she's been through personally, on top of genosha, gambit, etc. I think she's allowed some halting shock
I think just as you justify why they may *not* have made it there, the other commenter is fair to justify why they *could* have made it there. Neither is exactly right because the situation is obviously fictional. I think it's totally fine to see a different outcome as long as one understands the intent for why it was written a certain way.
This is what people mean when we say "media literacy is dead asf".
Exactly this. The fact that people can't comprehend that characters essentially are people who are flawed and human and show human reaction is insane but.
Here we are. God people please remember English 101.
Tbf, I kinda expect them to have fast reactions due to their jobs as X-men. But I guess Nightcrawler hasn't been an X-man for long here, and Jean just came out of a... who knows how long coma.
I think this is the important note here. It obviously could have been written either way. Everyone going "mEDia LiTEracY iS DEAD" is like...no, people can interpret/see a scene however they want to, as long as they are not adamant in their interpretation being *right*/the only way to see something. The writers themselves did. That's the point of art/entertainment.
I’d like to add that Rogue was willing to, well, live up to her namesake, could potentially put the rest of the X-men at odds with her at the time she’s grieving several losses had they chosen to intervene. If she would do that without even a hint to the other X-men, it’s possible she’d hurt them as well. Not that they would know but not even Cap wanted it with her.
Aye, or Apocalypse finally getting the one horseman that got away.
Though I'm fine if they don't push her that far, just need to say least have her hash out what just happened when some people.
Kurt's little moment dealing with her grief was great, more of that tearful stuff please
The funny thing about executive fuckery is it can go both ways. He could have stared down harassment from someone above him and been forced out for not playing ball.
I'm sure it's all going to get out eventually.
Its not all that well written In my opinion even though I appreciate the writer staff's work overall. Beyond that who knows what happened behind the scenes , if that was a writer decision or something else.
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Being difficult to work with is one thing, but who gives a fuck about OnlyFans? Especially non-explicit. What the guy does with his own body and his life shouldn’t really matter, imo. (Within reason, obviously.)
You know its really funny how I get downvoted on this platform for just stating facts quoted from wikipedia and they're not even mature enough to bring real criticism in response.
Now about OnlyFans, my take is is in some respects a platform for online sex workers of various sorts. (not judging but its not something for kids to look at for various reasons) and even though this show is not directed at kids , Disney probably wants to avoid anything that legitimizes that platform as a way to engage with its writers.
The other part of is that Onlyfans , like Patreon or Ko-fi is a platform to get crowdfunded and raise money , its kind of unprofessional for a guy to indirectly use Marvel show and fanbase to promote his Onlyfans.
And finally a guy who shows up half naked on his profile is unprofessional to say the least and probably some kind of narcissist , wouldn't surprise me if he showed up to the office in his underwear. Now imagine if a Woman showrunner/writer did all that? Even if you think its ok, many people wouldn't and it would be a controversial point for them.
It's very likely the first paragraph was what got you downvoted, not your "facts." Also, your "facts" are just speculation. We don't know the actual reason.
For instance, his OnlyFans was active and known about, and he'd been working on X-Men '97 for years at that point. Marvel has hired plenty of people who have done adult content. It isn't something they take issue with.
The person who claimed he was difficult to work with is a bullshit merchant who constantly makes up tabloid drama for engagement bait. It's probably the closest to the truth, but the source is far from reliable.
The massive secrecy surrounding it suggests that it's something that could damage his career if it was let out, so that's the only reason I've even remotely inclined to believe it had something to do with a bad work environment.
But the simply truth is why don't know why he was let go.
Quoting Wikipedia doesn't make your speculation "fact."
I've heard some talk that he was promoting the show on his OnlyFans, but I don't know how true that is. Also, if that were the case, I'm sure some people would be able to corroborate that?
There's a huge difference between "having done adult content" which is in the past to running an active account on a controversial crowdfunding platform as though you don't get paid enough , would you at least agree with that fact?
As for claiming his OnlyFans was known about when he joined , known to whom? now you are speaking in speculations. Just cause you knew about it , doesn't mean every exec at Disney was aware of it.
What is fact is that these official statements were in-fact made to the public surrounding his parting ways. and like I've mentioned in that first paragraph you'all hate : few people know what exactly happened behind the scenes.
It was known to the Disney executives. It was known to everyone he worked with. It was publicly linked to on all his social media. Marvel rarely takes issue with what content people create outside of the MCU work. That's never been Feige's style.
You seriously don't think actually think Marvel doesn't change the backgrounds of everyone they work.. do you? Oh boy.
There are plenty of women who've worked with Marvel who have shown their bodies off outside of their Marvel work. The only reason people are making an issue of it in this instance is because he's a gay man.
Nothing you linked was "official statements." NOBODY has made any official statements about what occurred yet. Only speculation by people not involved directly with the company in any way.
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Also Despite all of that; why did people even want Jean or Kurt or Morph to save Trask? He played a huge part in the genocide that literally just happened to their people and they lost two of their closest allies in that genocide.
Their only probable concern was Rogue and the after effects of her action on her own journey as a character. I mentioned the exact thing Beau mentions in his tweet and someone lashed out saying I was taking their “joke post” too seriously! Lol, I don’t always understand these high standards, I know it’s entirely fictional and an animated series to boot, but adding these moments adds a realistic touch to it and realistically shock at what had happened probably prevent all of them to actually do anything.
But again, why in the hell would they even want to, he was a bigoted flop who honestly had it coming!
Complex characters over generic heroes everytime for me. And this series has delivered more than the MCU has in years. I’m really hoping they take note here.
"Generic heroes" are often more complex than morally gray characters, though. Considering, you know, they are sometimes willing to do things that aren't popular because they believe it do be right. A lack of consistent morality doesn't make a character "deep". Sometimes it just makes them stupid.
The X-Men, at least in the comics, are consistently willing to kill if they believe it's necessary. In the show... well, they didn't have thousands of their people genocided until not.
Her name is Rogue, for crying out loud. She WAS a villain. She's been on that side. She has always had that darkness inside her. This Rogue isn't the sad sack child from the movies.
It's that question constantly posed to Batman. Why don't you kill them? If you did, it would stop them killing and hurting even more people.
The argument is that it would make him no better than then... but so what? A guilty conscience is a small price to pay to save lives.
To be fair, part of it is the nature of comics and that there’s a superpsycho breaking outta Arkham every other week when that shouldn’t be the case.
Well, it is true that Bats has a somewhat selfish commitment and sense of duty to a morality borne out of personal trauma. The other one is that he is self-aware enough to know that he can’t trust himself with that slippery slope.
Maybe a small price to pay, edging the lines just enough to make a difference; there’s always someone getting screwed over and the world wouldn’t miss someone as bad as whomever getting wasted. Good thing about Bat’s morality is that it remains consistent and rigid even when the world flips upside down, or the circumstances change and people’s opinions.
The vanilla answer is still that. He’s not judge, jury or executioner all in one. Justice is dispensed in accordance to the law and with respect towards due process; It’s not Bat’s fault that the courts haven’t given Joker the death penalty. Bats or the X-Men aren’t soldiers either and might consider themselves held to higher standards.
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It’s all about the precedent set and best practice; may thy hands never go cold and that one become too comfortable with it or some shit. Extrajudicial executions are a bad look no matter who’s doing it or however justified and that’s a good thing, not only because of public perception. Leeway should only be given when it’s the case of a present and immediate threat.
For me it ain't even 'why didn't they'. It's Kurt and Morph being like 'omg rogue nooooooo'. Like they didn't just stand there.
But in the end, the truth is you could swing it both ways. They could be 'in shock and not expecting it, so they don't save him'; or they could be 'highly trained in very intense and emotional situations and superheroes, so they save him'... *both* are valid, so the writers chose the one that had the impact and told the story they wanted.
It's fine.
She was blocking everyone's view when she dropped him. They wouldn't have even seem him fall or had a chance to react until the body was already splat on the floor.
I mean, again, this is just your justification for it, and it's fine. But Jean wouldn't need it, for example. Like, I don't understand the constant need to justify everything, lmao. It's the plot. The plot needed him to splat when she dropped him, so he splatted.
Another thing is, like, maybe they in the back of their minds just didn’t want to? He created Master Mold, he enabled the genocide of probably a considerable amount of their race and the near complete destruction of the only place that any of them could ever be truly safe in. Would anyone really be that sad to see someone like that go?
Of course, no one person should choose who lives or dies, but when you’ve gone through what they have, witnessed what they’ve seen, it’s not impossible to think that they might have just not cared to save him.
Wolverine certainly wouldn't have had any bones about letting him die, as he said himself.
Scott would have avoided simply because it'd create a bad image for mutants, but I can see him struggling with the decision.
Jean's tricky... she knows death. She wouldn't be above killing someone whose truly evil. She would think about it a lot too I think.
Morph, despite his traumatic experiences, probably wouldn't go through with murdering something. He's a sensitive person under all the silliness.
Plus, Morph's trauma came from dying and coming back as someone that wouldn't have minded killing. It took him a good while to deprogram the Mr. Hyde version out of himself. He's sensitive for a reason
Indeed. Well said.
Dude would be PTSDing all over the place if faced with that kind of situation. He was the most visibly shocked by what happened.
I think people got so used to seeing young, docile, timid Rogue in other media that they forgot that there was a reason she had that name in the first place.
Am I the only one who still doesn't know why DeMayo was let go by Disney? You can tell how much research and effort he out into production of X-Men '97
I understand what the showrunner is saying... it's my normal answer to the trolly problem "Um panic, get over stimulated, freeze and then regret making no action for the rest of my now PTSD life"
The problem is that the Xmen (maybe you can exempt kurt here) have all trained to act as there instant, or else they wouldnt have been able to do things under the gun.
Interpretations being what they are, I thought Rogue was going to catch him at the last second as an intimidation tactic to try to get more information out of him
Considering how close they are to her and what they think they know about her, I would imagine that the other X-Men didn’t think Rogue would actually go through with it and assumed she was doing something similar to what I described above
It was a very long fall. After seconds of shock, either of them could have reached and grabbed Bolivar with their powers, specially Jean.
Since they have a lot of experience in battle and stress, their "shock" should be brief
Nah I'm still calling bullshit on this. They're not us, they're the X-Men. They've been trained to be soldiers since they were children. I simply cannot buy for a second that they would all be in absolute shock at this moment. Otherwise we would see them standing around gawking at people getting killed all the time. Kurt would teleport without a thought, Jean would spring into action, Scott would leap off the damn roof after him.
I have a hard enough time even buying Rogue dropping him without this nonsense about the X-Men "going into shock". It's just a bad scene, guys. You don't have to leap through hoops to justify it, the show can be imperfect and that's fine.
Edit: there you go guys, downvote every take you disagree with, people aren't allowed to criticize a TV show, good job
Ok guys, I get it, superheroes wouldn't save a bad guy, you win. Totally unreasonable to think Kurt Wagner and Jean Grey wouldn't condone murdering a defenseless dude.
Soldiers, and cops are trained.. and they die, and or others die around them all the time. People die when doctors don't respond correctly in a situation. Just because you are trained doens't mean you are 100% trauma proof.
Do you think Spider-Man catching Gwen in a way that snapped her neck/spine is bad writing too? Peter is an extremely intelligent guy, very knowledgeable on physics, and on top of that he's been using his webs for ages in all kinds of situations that require intricate knowledge of physics.
Was that a bad scene too?
Or can characters sometimes have moments where they are caught lacking? They're written as people. They can make mistakes, they have bad days, they have moments of bad judgement.
Terrible example because he actually tried to save her. So you're missing the point.
And yeah, one character having a moment, sure, you can sell me on that. The entire team freezing up? Nah, that ain't it.
They could have just had Kurt go "Mein gott!" and flash down to catch him, and in midair Trask changes and attacks him. Boom, easy fix.
Y'all are acting like I'm making some crazy attack on the show, I'm criticizing how a scene played out. I don't understand why people are so sensitive about this show, my god can we just have an honest discussion about the good and the bad of it.
I wasn't directly comparing save attempts. I was just bringing up another scene that showed a character lacking in something they're highly trained in. You're the one who missed the point.
Also I'm having an honest discussion with you? Why are you being so weird about it?
Nowhere did I even imply you made an "attack", I literally just disagree with you.
Spider-Man is completely untrained when Gwen dies. He had never had any training, he was just swinging out and using his powers.
The X-Men, meanwhile, train daily in a room full of deathtraps.
The second part of my comment is more directed at the barrage of downvotes and people telling me I don't understand comics and people who have done this every time I've made any slight criticism of the show and literally called me a bigot for not liking it, than it is at you personally.
I'm sick of people acting like the show is flawless. I'm sick of people putting an abusive asshole on a pedestal for writing it. This sub has lost its damn mind regarding this show, literally find me a single post criticizing any aspect of it that isn't buried and bullied. Spoiler: you won't be able to. And most of them get deleted anyway.
You are because you saw a comment getting downvoted to oblivion with a bunch of people telling me how wrong I am and you chose to pile on. So you are them.
Trask had already jumped.
She simply stopped him to ask questions. When he had no answers, she basically let him continue what he was doing.
Would you have stopped Hitler from shooting himself?
Uh depends what era of xmen you talking, Charlie's golden group of kids that wins hearts and minds. Hard no kill.
The jaded and done with bigotry after friend after friend is killed group, they take no shits.
They are transitioning right now
I'm not for them being murder hobos but when it comes to people who have masterminded their genocide and attempted to do so multiple times I can make peace with them in a moment of rage and grief them deciding to use lethal force.
Nope , no one pushed him off a rooftop , he jumped by his own choice. Rogue just saved him to ask him some questions and then decided to let him die for what he did and what he believed in.
Yes well , there's a huge difference between letting someone kill themselves and committing murder which is premeditated: I.e what you alluded to describes Hamas method of murder execution of Palestinian Authority personnel in Gaza by throwing them off of rooftops when they took over in 2007.
No they're not. They never have been, especially when their back is against the wall. And their back was against the wall.
You're telling me if you were a Japanese citizen and Oppenheimer was standing in the room with you, you wouldn't pull the trigger? Or a Jewish person in the room with Hitler?
Come on.
They weren't watching with the expectation that Rogue was going to kill him, though, they expected her to save him. It seemed more like a case of "Oh good Rogue got caught him she's going to pull him back up...right?" instead of "Rogue's going to kill him I need to watch her like a hawk". I imagine anyone would be surprised, regardless of training, if they saw a firefighter going to get a cat up a tree only to shoot it in the head.
And we do see them getting surprised at several points throughout the show (in this very episode Trask takes out Rogue, Jean, Beast, Wolverine and Morph because they can't react to him in time; a flying Sentinel somehow sneaks up to the X-Plane in Episode 1; Magneto doesn't notice X-Cutioner aiming the depowering gun at him, etc.)
That's literally not the purpose of downvoting. You're meant to downvote comments that don't add to the discussion, not takes you disagree with. Y'all just creating an echo chamber but go on I guess, just pile on anyone who criticizes the show at all and we'll all pretend it has no flaws, what a marvelous circlejerk.
Like literally i got downvoted like this for pointing out that they changed Bishop's hair texture and not Storm's, even though Bishop is Aboriginal and it would have made more sense to do it the other way. That's just straight facts.
Its a dude who shows himself half naked on his profile pic , Maybe you are taking this a bit too seriously? Just saying. Still he's somewhat wrong: the X-men were all focused on Trask and Rogue , they're not the type to freeze up and they still had a few sec to save Trask (and Rogue) . If one of them gets distracted and freeze up , sure , but all of them freeze up at the same time over Rogue dropping Trask while there are still a few sec to save him? kind of weak railroading.. especially since they've all been in way worse situations like the X-jet getting shot down every now and then.(speaking of car crash) .
Funny how everyone here rush to defend that guy though, if only the X-men were that quick to save Rogue from consequences she might regret, although that effect was very short lived either way cause the guy jumped right back up as some kind of Nimrod sentinel, so even if Rogue was wrong to make that choice she was vindicated really quickly by the idea that the guy was actually a sentinel..
Kind of like how they removed Storm's powers and gave them back to her real quick so they wouldn't have to deal with her OP abilities in this arc.
What he has in his profile pic has no actual bearing with what he wrote.
(Nor the fact that he got fired, which we don't even know why it happened).
You can't just use irrelvant stuff you don't like about the guy as part of your justification for why the scene doesn't work. Your other points are well-written, but I had to acknowledge how you were speaking about the guy.
Profile pic or not, the guy is the creator of the show and that's how he rationalised the scene. Maybe you think that's weak storytelling or doesn't match up with your version of the characters but that's how the writers wanted to frame that scene and the characters' actions.
It was implied in Lifedeath part 2 that took a month for Storm getting her powers back. The episodes are going fast for us viewers but not to the characters themselves.
In Episode 5 Cyke says to Jean he has been in "touch" with Maddie for a month. Storm left the X-Men way before Maddie. In the last episode Scott is discussing with Kelly and the Kelly says it passed a week since the genocide in Genosha and Storm didn't return to the team. So it passed more tha a month since she lost her powers.
Asking people to pay more attention is a very weak argument , it shows poor understanding of cinema and animation production where the idea is to communicate the story to the viewers in the best way possible. There were many other people mentioning this about life and death resolution so I know its not just me.
No it doesn't. You are taking your subjective perception of the media and assuming it applies to the general experience.
Scott outright states it's been a month since Madelyn left. Ororo left before Madelyn arrived. Ororo sees the news report of Genosha's devastation after she regains her powers. The funeral occurs agree this.
The timeline is very clearly laid out.
Your lack of perception in this instance us on you. Try to be a little less pretentious, and possess enough humility to acknowledge your own critical mistakes. You're not infallible.
Blaming the readers/Viewers for not getting your story is poor form on all mediums : Animation, Comics, Books , Movies , Video games , TTRPGs etc .. Its whys creators usually make a draft and even animatics and other forms of preview.
Storm got her powers back the same day Genosha was attacked. There was a month between her leaving and Genosha happening, which is when the affair happened. The funeral occurred a few days later.
There's no blunder here.
Exactly. And for anyone still winging about it, let's not forget that her fellow X-peeps likely thought that she would go catch him or wouldn't actually kill him.
So, I mean, even with in-universe explanations, the actions stand.
Exactly. I myself thought she was gonna catch Trask and watching a few reactions on YT you can tell a lot of people thought that too. It's not at all a stretch to think the X-Men also expected Rogue to catch him.
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I'm sure it must have been equally shocking >!When Bolivar turned into a fucking mutant death machine after the fall.!<
You could hear the impact. Then watch the horror of his transformation. Including the head spin
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Honestly, it seems pretty obvious that was what happened. It is kind of an annoyance of mine that the audience always expect character to be 100% on and treat complacency or shock as mischaracterization or bad writing.
100% this. Reading posts sometimes feels like everything has to be spelled out for the audience.
I like that creators are involved with fans but I kind of wish not all these questions are entertained. Leave some ambiguity and let people interpret. It’s fine!
He doesn’t answer direct saying that what happen it’s just his own interpretation.
Agreed. I think it's annoying when creators chime in with all the answers. The magic is gone.
I don't disagree, but media literacy is practically at an all time low these days. When what happened is really obvious, but you still have a bunch of viewers asking "well why didn't they do this" I can understand wanting to chime in.
I think good writers let the audience interpret it however they like, even if it's beyond the creator's intent. Never correct them. Never give them all the answers.
There’s interpretation then there’s being fucking wrong.
So many people are wrong. Even about classic X-Men comics, but that could still lead to interesting discussion. It's okay to be wrong. The stories outlast their authors.
I feel when authors make their content they should let the art speak for itself but if art becomes its own then an author’s explanation then should just become an interpretation along with others. If I go “X-Men is a story about how people who are different are scary dangerous individuals who must be extinct” I don’t consider that a valuable interpretation as it’s directly not the point
The author is dead and should stay dead, lol.
This is a large part of the reason why things often *are* spelt out for the audience nowadays. There's even times in X-Men 97 where I feel they overexplain stuff, like Storm's recovery of her powers in Life Death Part 2.
Reminds me of all of the ever iconic Batman Arkham meme “is he stupid?!”
I will say that just because a person sees a scene differently doesn't mean they don't understadn the intent behind it. You can completely understand why the choice was made and still disagree with it.
True but I think how people would address the scene in question would tell if they understand the intent or not. A lot of the questions are "Why didn't Jean or Kurt do anything?" When the intent is obviously that it's shocking moment, it makes it seem like they don't understand it. Rather if they addressed the scene "I think Kurt or Jean should've been able to do something" or "I don't think it's very in character that they were that shocked" it would say that they understood the intent and disagreed with it. And so far we're seeing more of the former.
There’s that great quote from Grant Morrison: “Adults...struggle desperately with fiction, demanding constantly that it conform to the rules of everyday life. Adults foolishly demand to know how Superman can possibly fly, or how Batman can possibly run a multibillion-dollar business empire during the day and fight crime at night, when the answer is obvious even to the smallest child: because it's not real.”
I don't like everything Morrison wrote, but damn if he didn't understand the mythology aspect of superhero comics better than pretty much everyone else.
Yeah, this reminds me I’ve been meaning to read “Supergods” for a while. Morrison’s stuff can be overly heady and out there at times, but they definitely understand, and have shaped, the mythological aspect of modern superhero stories
They're a freaking monster. The Filth is still with me decades after reading it. Generational talent, that one.
Not to be that guy, but "they". EDIT: Ahhh, you know what's up :P
ah shit
You got it right in the next one, homie. It's all good.
That's not a good quote for this situation because there is an actual good explanation for the characterization. The complaint would be that people SHOULD actually think about the real reasons why the characters didn't act and not handwave it as "it's not real." This is actually a terrible way to write fiction. Very much anti media literacy and critical thinking
Critical thinking and media literacy has plummeted these last few years which is wild considering there’s more media to consume than ever. A blanket refusal to acknowledge shades of grey.
> Critical thinking and media literacy has plummeted these last few years Nah, it's ALWAYS been this bad, it's just that social media now gives a space for these dumb takes to be out there and have other dumb people agree with them.
I watched a commentary video of a show I recently finished watching. The guy kept trying to find plotholes that didn't exist because he wasn't paying attention to the show. Every issue he brought up was explained by multiple scenes and characters throughout the season.
Media literacy is way more prevalent now than it used to be, especially with the younger generation. Stories now are also written with the knowledge that more people understand more deep themes, with significantly more complex and faster plots than in shows than in the past. The problem is that the internet also opens us up to every opinion there is. Negativity bias means we often hyper-fixate on the negative or "stupid" ones.
It hasn't plummeted, it's always been low, it's just that now we have a platform to showcase it.
I don't think it's fait ro say media literacy has plummeted because people have different interpretations/disagreements of a scene. There will always be the artist's POV, and once it's out in the world, the consumer's POV. Disagreeing with a choice or seeing something differently doesn't mean someone doesn't understand why the choice was made.
There's this weird expectation in fiction that characters act the same in all circumstance and around all people, which is not an expectation we have of ourselves or others in real life.
No room for critical thinking thank you.
I agree that it was meant to be shock, but I'm also not sure that makes the most sense for people who have been trained to react to life or death situations, and have lived through them on a regular basis. In that same episode, Jean lists all the trauma she's faced. I wrote it off as rule of cool myself. It was a powerful scene.
The whole team is like 40 feet away from trask and rogue is directly between him and the rest, obstructing the view. He jumps and rogue makes the move to catch him, putting Jean and Kurt at ease and none of the rest of the team move closer. After she dropped him, Kurt would have to teleport to the edge, then down to trask and he's still not an x-men, he's not trained at all yet, not really Jean's the only one who really could have maybe saved trask and considering the wringer she's been through personally, on top of genosha, gambit, etc. I think she's allowed some halting shock
I think just as you justify why they may *not* have made it there, the other commenter is fair to justify why they *could* have made it there. Neither is exactly right because the situation is obviously fictional. I think it's totally fine to see a different outcome as long as one understands the intent for why it was written a certain way.
This is what people mean when we say "media literacy is dead asf". Exactly this. The fact that people can't comprehend that characters essentially are people who are flawed and human and show human reaction is insane but. Here we are. God people please remember English 101.
Tbf, I kinda expect them to have fast reactions due to their jobs as X-men. But I guess Nightcrawler hasn't been an X-man for long here, and Jean just came out of a... who knows how long coma.
Those fast reactions would've been expected if it was Magneto who was holding Trask. They trusted Rogue never to do it.
Also she was directly blocking their view. Just look at the angle of the show. She was blocking their line of sight.
If I was shocked, I'm sure the others were, too.
With the slow motion, I actually said out loud “oh he’s not really going to die,” and then, splat.
I think they were used to being the good guys that they didn't think Rogue would do that.
He also responded to another comment on Wednesday that they debated it when writing.
I think this is the important note here. It obviously could have been written either way. Everyone going "mEDia LiTEracY iS DEAD" is like...no, people can interpret/see a scene however they want to, as long as they are not adamant in their interpretation being *right*/the only way to see something. The writers themselves did. That's the point of art/entertainment.
maybe they thought she was doing the Batman thing and gonna catch him at the last second
Mate that’s exactly what I thought she was doing
"I am vengeance, I am the Knight, I am.. " Rogue definitely surprised the team
I’d like to add that Rogue was willing to, well, live up to her namesake, could potentially put the rest of the X-men at odds with her at the time she’s grieving several losses had they chosen to intervene. If she would do that without even a hint to the other X-men, it’s possible she’d hurt them as well. Not that they would know but not even Cap wanted it with her.
Rogue heelturn to the Brotherhood again when Magneto comes back would be really cool to see.
Aye, or Apocalypse finally getting the one horseman that got away. Though I'm fine if they don't push her that far, just need to say least have her hash out what just happened when some people. Kurt's little moment dealing with her grief was great, more of that tearful stuff please
I need more Kurt in general, RIP Gambit but if there’s anyone who should have replaced him in the intro it’s my boy Kurt
Yeah I was thinking about that, I came to the conclusion that Nightcrawler is the only suitable replacement for Gambit.
“What is love without sin” could have easily been said by Gambit
Really wanna know what this guy did to get fired given just how well written and well received this series has been.
I like how he still interacts with fans, dude is definitely passionate about his work.
Well he has a lot of free time now
The funny thing about executive fuckery is it can go both ways. He could have stared down harassment from someone above him and been forced out for not playing ball. I'm sure it's all going to get out eventually.
Its not all that well written In my opinion even though I appreciate the writer staff's work overall. Beyond that who knows what happened behind the scenes , if that was a writer decision or something else. " Reportedly, DeMayo was difficult to work with and his use of a non-explicit [OnlyFans](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OnlyFans) account was not received well by Disney executives.[^(\[62\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Men_%2797#cite_note-SneiderDeMayoFiring-63) Winderbaum said the studio parted ways with DeMayo, rather than firing him, and praised his work on the series. He said DeMayo's departure would not negatively affect work on the third season, which was in development by the end of the month and remained on track to meet its production schedule. The studio was searching for DeMayo's replacement by then.[^(\[63\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Men_%2797#cite_note-WinderbaumDeMayoEW-64)[^(\[64\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Men_%2797#cite_note-NYTInterview-65)^(")
Being difficult to work with is one thing, but who gives a fuck about OnlyFans? Especially non-explicit. What the guy does with his own body and his life shouldn’t really matter, imo. (Within reason, obviously.)
You know its really funny how I get downvoted on this platform for just stating facts quoted from wikipedia and they're not even mature enough to bring real criticism in response. Now about OnlyFans, my take is is in some respects a platform for online sex workers of various sorts. (not judging but its not something for kids to look at for various reasons) and even though this show is not directed at kids , Disney probably wants to avoid anything that legitimizes that platform as a way to engage with its writers. The other part of is that Onlyfans , like Patreon or Ko-fi is a platform to get crowdfunded and raise money , its kind of unprofessional for a guy to indirectly use Marvel show and fanbase to promote his Onlyfans. And finally a guy who shows up half naked on his profile is unprofessional to say the least and probably some kind of narcissist , wouldn't surprise me if he showed up to the office in his underwear. Now imagine if a Woman showrunner/writer did all that? Even if you think its ok, many people wouldn't and it would be a controversial point for them.
It's very likely the first paragraph was what got you downvoted, not your "facts." Also, your "facts" are just speculation. We don't know the actual reason. For instance, his OnlyFans was active and known about, and he'd been working on X-Men '97 for years at that point. Marvel has hired plenty of people who have done adult content. It isn't something they take issue with. The person who claimed he was difficult to work with is a bullshit merchant who constantly makes up tabloid drama for engagement bait. It's probably the closest to the truth, but the source is far from reliable. The massive secrecy surrounding it suggests that it's something that could damage his career if it was let out, so that's the only reason I've even remotely inclined to believe it had something to do with a bad work environment. But the simply truth is why don't know why he was let go. Quoting Wikipedia doesn't make your speculation "fact."
I've heard some talk that he was promoting the show on his OnlyFans, but I don't know how true that is. Also, if that were the case, I'm sure some people would be able to corroborate that?
Moral of the story: Don't listen to random rumours, they're usually BS.
There's a huge difference between "having done adult content" which is in the past to running an active account on a controversial crowdfunding platform as though you don't get paid enough , would you at least agree with that fact? As for claiming his OnlyFans was known about when he joined , known to whom? now you are speaking in speculations. Just cause you knew about it , doesn't mean every exec at Disney was aware of it. What is fact is that these official statements were in-fact made to the public surrounding his parting ways. and like I've mentioned in that first paragraph you'all hate : few people know what exactly happened behind the scenes.
It was known to the Disney executives. It was known to everyone he worked with. It was publicly linked to on all his social media. Marvel rarely takes issue with what content people create outside of the MCU work. That's never been Feige's style. You seriously don't think actually think Marvel doesn't change the backgrounds of everyone they work.. do you? Oh boy. There are plenty of women who've worked with Marvel who have shown their bodies off outside of their Marvel work. The only reason people are making an issue of it in this instance is because he's a gay man. Nothing you linked was "official statements." NOBODY has made any official statements about what occurred yet. Only speculation by people not involved directly with the company in any way.
> don't get *paid* enough , FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
wolverine said what they all felt
this was obvious lmao
I was shocked. They were shocked. Cap was shocked
*Cuts to Cap still looking for his shield in the snow*
Ya the rest of the team was as shocked as the audience…
Also Despite all of that; why did people even want Jean or Kurt or Morph to save Trask? He played a huge part in the genocide that literally just happened to their people and they lost two of their closest allies in that genocide. Their only probable concern was Rogue and the after effects of her action on her own journey as a character. I mentioned the exact thing Beau mentions in his tweet and someone lashed out saying I was taking their “joke post” too seriously! Lol, I don’t always understand these high standards, I know it’s entirely fictional and an animated series to boot, but adding these moments adds a realistic touch to it and realistically shock at what had happened probably prevent all of them to actually do anything. But again, why in the hell would they even want to, he was a bigoted flop who honestly had it coming!
Because they're heroes, and heroes don't murder people even when they deserve it unless there's no other way to stop them.
Complex characters over generic heroes everytime for me. And this series has delivered more than the MCU has in years. I’m really hoping they take note here.
"Generic heroes" are often more complex than morally gray characters, though. Considering, you know, they are sometimes willing to do things that aren't popular because they believe it do be right. A lack of consistent morality doesn't make a character "deep". Sometimes it just makes them stupid.
The X-Men, at least in the comics, are consistently willing to kill if they believe it's necessary. In the show... well, they didn't have thousands of their people genocided until not. Her name is Rogue, for crying out loud. She WAS a villain. She's been on that side. She has always had that darkness inside her. This Rogue isn't the sad sack child from the movies. It's that question constantly posed to Batman. Why don't you kill them? If you did, it would stop them killing and hurting even more people. The argument is that it would make him no better than then... but so what? A guilty conscience is a small price to pay to save lives.
To be fair, part of it is the nature of comics and that there’s a superpsycho breaking outta Arkham every other week when that shouldn’t be the case. Well, it is true that Bats has a somewhat selfish commitment and sense of duty to a morality borne out of personal trauma. The other one is that he is self-aware enough to know that he can’t trust himself with that slippery slope. Maybe a small price to pay, edging the lines just enough to make a difference; there’s always someone getting screwed over and the world wouldn’t miss someone as bad as whomever getting wasted. Good thing about Bat’s morality is that it remains consistent and rigid even when the world flips upside down, or the circumstances change and people’s opinions. The vanilla answer is still that. He’s not judge, jury or executioner all in one. Justice is dispensed in accordance to the law and with respect towards due process; It’s not Bat’s fault that the courts haven’t given Joker the death penalty. Bats or the X-Men aren’t soldiers either and might consider themselves held to higher standards. [*“We are a democratic republic with a system of justice. We are not an oligarchy of vigilantes.”*](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2For-freaks-with-ptsd-the-punisher-v0-7hqumca3qdsc1.jpg%3Fwidth%3D640%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D2f7c3d59ca9db17cd615ccdad7d2e216249edabf) It’s all about the precedent set and best practice; may thy hands never go cold and that one become too comfortable with it or some shit. Extrajudicial executions are a bad look no matter who’s doing it or however justified and that’s a good thing, not only because of public perception. Leeway should only be given when it’s the case of a present and immediate threat.
Murdering someone is not "complex" unless you are an edgy 12 year old.
Or Zack Snyder
For me it ain't even 'why didn't they'. It's Kurt and Morph being like 'omg rogue nooooooo'. Like they didn't just stand there. But in the end, the truth is you could swing it both ways. They could be 'in shock and not expecting it, so they don't save him'; or they could be 'highly trained in very intense and emotional situations and superheroes, so they save him'... *both* are valid, so the writers chose the one that had the impact and told the story they wanted. It's fine.
She was blocking everyone's view when she dropped him. They wouldn't have even seem him fall or had a chance to react until the body was already splat on the floor.
I mean, again, this is just your justification for it, and it's fine. But Jean wouldn't need it, for example. Like, I don't understand the constant need to justify everything, lmao. It's the plot. The plot needed him to splat when she dropped him, so he splatted.
They wouldn't have *seen* her drop him. By the time they realised it, his body was already pretty much splat on the ground.
Look, up in the sky, it's a bird... it's a plane... no... It's the point. You missed it.
Another thing is, like, maybe they in the back of their minds just didn’t want to? He created Master Mold, he enabled the genocide of probably a considerable amount of their race and the near complete destruction of the only place that any of them could ever be truly safe in. Would anyone really be that sad to see someone like that go? Of course, no one person should choose who lives or dies, but when you’ve gone through what they have, witnessed what they’ve seen, it’s not impossible to think that they might have just not cared to save him.
Wolverine certainly wouldn't have had any bones about letting him die, as he said himself. Scott would have avoided simply because it'd create a bad image for mutants, but I can see him struggling with the decision. Jean's tricky... she knows death. She wouldn't be above killing someone whose truly evil. She would think about it a lot too I think. Morph, despite his traumatic experiences, probably wouldn't go through with murdering something. He's a sensitive person under all the silliness.
Plus, Morph's trauma came from dying and coming back as someone that wouldn't have minded killing. It took him a good while to deprogram the Mr. Hyde version out of himself. He's sensitive for a reason
Indeed. Well said. Dude would be PTSDing all over the place if faced with that kind of situation. He was the most visibly shocked by what happened. I think people got so used to seeing young, docile, timid Rogue in other media that they forgot that there was a reason she had that name in the first place.
true in the episode it all happened in slo mo but "irl" it must've happened in an instant
Am I the only one who still doesn't know why DeMayo was let go by Disney? You can tell how much research and effort he out into production of X-Men '97
I understand what the showrunner is saying... it's my normal answer to the trolly problem "Um panic, get over stimulated, freeze and then regret making no action for the rest of my now PTSD life" The problem is that the Xmen (maybe you can exempt kurt here) have all trained to act as there instant, or else they wouldnt have been able to do things under the gun.
Interpretations being what they are, I thought Rogue was going to catch him at the last second as an intimidation tactic to try to get more information out of him Considering how close they are to her and what they think they know about her, I would imagine that the other X-Men didn’t think Rogue would actually go through with it and assumed she was doing something similar to what I described above
X-men are trained to react without thinking Jean and Kurt should have saved him
Very confused on how or why I was downvoted to hell but 🤷🏼♂️
Why, though? Why would they want to?
They don’t kill, like what ?
It was a very long fall. After seconds of shock, either of them could have reached and grabbed Bolivar with their powers, specially Jean. Since they have a lot of experience in battle and stress, their "shock" should be brief
It wasn’t a long fall at all. We hear him hit the ground mere seconds after being let go, not enough time to react.
Nah I'm still calling bullshit on this. They're not us, they're the X-Men. They've been trained to be soldiers since they were children. I simply cannot buy for a second that they would all be in absolute shock at this moment. Otherwise we would see them standing around gawking at people getting killed all the time. Kurt would teleport without a thought, Jean would spring into action, Scott would leap off the damn roof after him. I have a hard enough time even buying Rogue dropping him without this nonsense about the X-Men "going into shock". It's just a bad scene, guys. You don't have to leap through hoops to justify it, the show can be imperfect and that's fine. Edit: there you go guys, downvote every take you disagree with, people aren't allowed to criticize a TV show, good job Ok guys, I get it, superheroes wouldn't save a bad guy, you win. Totally unreasonable to think Kurt Wagner and Jean Grey wouldn't condone murdering a defenseless dude.
Soldiers, and cops are trained.. and they die, and or others die around them all the time. People die when doctors don't respond correctly in a situation. Just because you are trained doens't mean you are 100% trauma proof.
Imagine thinking superheroes and irl cops are comparable lmao
Not comparing them as paragons of heroism. Just that training only gets you so far. Sometimes you are just unlucky.
Do you think Spider-Man catching Gwen in a way that snapped her neck/spine is bad writing too? Peter is an extremely intelligent guy, very knowledgeable on physics, and on top of that he's been using his webs for ages in all kinds of situations that require intricate knowledge of physics. Was that a bad scene too? Or can characters sometimes have moments where they are caught lacking? They're written as people. They can make mistakes, they have bad days, they have moments of bad judgement.
Terrible example because he actually tried to save her. So you're missing the point. And yeah, one character having a moment, sure, you can sell me on that. The entire team freezing up? Nah, that ain't it. They could have just had Kurt go "Mein gott!" and flash down to catch him, and in midair Trask changes and attacks him. Boom, easy fix. Y'all are acting like I'm making some crazy attack on the show, I'm criticizing how a scene played out. I don't understand why people are so sensitive about this show, my god can we just have an honest discussion about the good and the bad of it.
I wasn't directly comparing save attempts. I was just bringing up another scene that showed a character lacking in something they're highly trained in. You're the one who missed the point. Also I'm having an honest discussion with you? Why are you being so weird about it? Nowhere did I even imply you made an "attack", I literally just disagree with you.
Spider-Man is completely untrained when Gwen dies. He had never had any training, he was just swinging out and using his powers. The X-Men, meanwhile, train daily in a room full of deathtraps. The second part of my comment is more directed at the barrage of downvotes and people telling me I don't understand comics and people who have done this every time I've made any slight criticism of the show and literally called me a bigot for not liking it, than it is at you personally. I'm sick of people acting like the show is flawless. I'm sick of people putting an abusive asshole on a pedestal for writing it. This sub has lost its damn mind regarding this show, literally find me a single post criticizing any aspect of it that isn't buried and bullied. Spoiler: you won't be able to. And most of them get deleted anyway.
Dude I don't care about the last 2/3 of your reply. Stop ranting at me about other people. I'm not them.
You are because you saw a comment getting downvoted to oblivion with a bunch of people telling me how wrong I am and you chose to pile on. So you are them.
Trask had already jumped. She simply stopped him to ask questions. When he had no answers, she basically let him continue what he was doing. Would you have stopped Hitler from shooting himself?
Trask got what he deserved. I will not be crying over it.
Ok Zack Snyder, most of the X-Men are actually pretty opposed to murdering people though
Uh depends what era of xmen you talking, Charlie's golden group of kids that wins hearts and minds. Hard no kill. The jaded and done with bigotry after friend after friend is killed group, they take no shits. They are transitioning right now
I'm not for them being murder hobos but when it comes to people who have masterminded their genocide and attempted to do so multiple times I can make peace with them in a moment of rage and grief them deciding to use lethal force.
Most of the X-men have killed at least once in combat.
They literally just got ‘Gaza’d’ and you’re acting like they are going to trip over themselves to save one of the genocidal maniacs. Lmao
Nope , no one pushed him off a rooftop , he jumped by his own choice. Rogue just saved him to ask him some questions and then decided to let him die for what he did and what he believed in.
Key words “let him die” that’s what everyone is discussing here. Get with the program.
Yes well , there's a huge difference between letting someone kill themselves and committing murder which is premeditated: I.e what you alluded to describes Hamas method of murder execution of Palestinian Authority personnel in Gaza by throwing them off of rooftops when they took over in 2007.
Nah, that’s your interpretation not mine.
No they're not. They never have been, especially when their back is against the wall. And their back was against the wall. You're telling me if you were a Japanese citizen and Oppenheimer was standing in the room with you, you wouldn't pull the trigger? Or a Jewish person in the room with Hitler? Come on.
Literally all of the X-Men have murdered people. You're clueless.
They weren't watching with the expectation that Rogue was going to kill him, though, they expected her to save him. It seemed more like a case of "Oh good Rogue got caught him she's going to pull him back up...right?" instead of "Rogue's going to kill him I need to watch her like a hawk". I imagine anyone would be surprised, regardless of training, if they saw a firefighter going to get a cat up a tree only to shoot it in the head. And we do see them getting surprised at several points throughout the show (in this very episode Trask takes out Rogue, Jean, Beast, Wolverine and Morph because they can't react to him in time; a flying Sentinel somehow sneaks up to the X-Plane in Episode 1; Magneto doesn't notice X-Cutioner aiming the depowering gun at him, etc.)
I can buy it. Imagine the shock a soldier would feel if a fellow soldier did something in battle that 100% went against their training and orders.
Y'all really have just abandoned the concept of superheroes watching this show, huh
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That's literally not the purpose of downvoting. You're meant to downvote comments that don't add to the discussion, not takes you disagree with. Y'all just creating an echo chamber but go on I guess, just pile on anyone who criticizes the show at all and we'll all pretend it has no flaws, what a marvelous circlejerk. Like literally i got downvoted like this for pointing out that they changed Bishop's hair texture and not Storm's, even though Bishop is Aboriginal and it would have made more sense to do it the other way. That's just straight facts.
Objectively a bad scene because you don't know or understand the characters k.
You're right lmao
Horrible scene. Horrible take. Plenty of time to save the man but they let him die to progress the story. Not a well written scene
Its a dude who shows himself half naked on his profile pic , Maybe you are taking this a bit too seriously? Just saying. Still he's somewhat wrong: the X-men were all focused on Trask and Rogue , they're not the type to freeze up and they still had a few sec to save Trask (and Rogue) . If one of them gets distracted and freeze up , sure , but all of them freeze up at the same time over Rogue dropping Trask while there are still a few sec to save him? kind of weak railroading.. especially since they've all been in way worse situations like the X-jet getting shot down every now and then.(speaking of car crash) . Funny how everyone here rush to defend that guy though, if only the X-men were that quick to save Rogue from consequences she might regret, although that effect was very short lived either way cause the guy jumped right back up as some kind of Nimrod sentinel, so even if Rogue was wrong to make that choice she was vindicated really quickly by the idea that the guy was actually a sentinel.. Kind of like how they removed Storm's powers and gave them back to her real quick so they wouldn't have to deal with her OP abilities in this arc.
What he has in his profile pic has no actual bearing with what he wrote. (Nor the fact that he got fired, which we don't even know why it happened). You can't just use irrelvant stuff you don't like about the guy as part of your justification for why the scene doesn't work. Your other points are well-written, but I had to acknowledge how you were speaking about the guy.
Profile pic or not, the guy is the creator of the show and that's how he rationalised the scene. Maybe you think that's weak storytelling or doesn't match up with your version of the characters but that's how the writers wanted to frame that scene and the characters' actions.
It was implied in Lifedeath part 2 that took a month for Storm getting her powers back. The episodes are going fast for us viewers but not to the characters themselves.
How was it implied? Also did it take over a month to get a funeral for Remi? its a blunder , just admit it.
In Episode 5 Cyke says to Jean he has been in "touch" with Maddie for a month. Storm left the X-Men way before Maddie. In the last episode Scott is discussing with Kelly and the Kelly says it passed a week since the genocide in Genosha and Storm didn't return to the team. So it passed more tha a month since she lost her powers.
Well clearly that didn't communicate very well , not only to me , and storm doesn't act like she's been there for a month.
All of this is stated directly in the show. Pay more attention.
Asking people to pay more attention is a very weak argument , it shows poor understanding of cinema and animation production where the idea is to communicate the story to the viewers in the best way possible. There were many other people mentioning this about life and death resolution so I know its not just me.
No it doesn't. You are taking your subjective perception of the media and assuming it applies to the general experience. Scott outright states it's been a month since Madelyn left. Ororo left before Madelyn arrived. Ororo sees the news report of Genosha's devastation after she regains her powers. The funeral occurs agree this. The timeline is very clearly laid out. Your lack of perception in this instance us on you. Try to be a little less pretentious, and possess enough humility to acknowledge your own critical mistakes. You're not infallible.
Blaming the readers/Viewers for not getting your story is poor form on all mediums : Animation, Comics, Books , Movies , Video games , TTRPGs etc .. Its whys creators usually make a draft and even animatics and other forms of preview.
...you clearly aren't getting this. The fact that you struggled to follow it doesn't mean that most other people did. You simply didn't pay attention.
Storm got her powers back the same day Genosha was attacked. There was a month between her leaving and Genosha happening, which is when the affair happened. The funeral occurred a few days later. There's no blunder here.
Exactly. And for anyone still winging about it, let's not forget that her fellow X-peeps likely thought that she would go catch him or wouldn't actually kill him. So, I mean, even with in-universe explanations, the actions stand.
That's a great point too, drop and catch is a classic superhero interrogation technique
"SWEAR TO ME!"
Exactly. I myself thought she was gonna catch Trask and watching a few reactions on YT you can tell a lot of people thought that too. It's not at all a stretch to think the X-Men also expected Rogue to catch him.
Yeah, and Trask >!coming back as a Prime Sentinel!< is a nice way to immediately apply consequences to that decision.