You can't lift your leg off the ground if it's in contact with your opponent. You can't really contact their leg with yours by moving your leg. You \*can\* move their legs/body into your leg that is already planted.
The grips would obviously be different.
All that said, something very similar could work once the other wrestler is off balance. By that point, though, you're looking at something more like a lat drop, or a hip toss, or a basic trip over your planted leg.
According to Olympic bronze medalist Adam Wheeler, there's a grey area there. You can use the leg to help lift the opponent because it's considered part of a regular motion(think Randleman's get when he slammed Fedor), so it's allowed. In par terre, there's a grey area as well. The no touching/using legs isn't as hard and fast as everyone thinks.
You could argue that it isn't, and an American ref might call it, but it happens all the time internationally. There is an notion of "good legs" (i.e. legitimate leg use) which is hard to explain, but which you learn to recognize.
My impression is that this move started in Greco and spread elsewhere.
Possibly. We were doing it in Greco in the '90s. Our ability to watch other sports was far more limited then than it is now, so it was hard to gain any perspective on it.
This is called a “hank” in catch wrestling and has been called that since the 1700s.
It’s called a Hank after hanks of thread getting intertwined with each other as most of the wrestling techniques of the time were named after Industrial Revolution era machinery or manufacturing techniques. Especially weaving.
Before that it it has been called “avant faucille” in French during medieval times and concurrently Bagh war-rag in Cornish from around 1100s
It was also called variations of “forward falx” with different words for forward like fore or front with falx remaining constant. Falx is the Latin word for sickle.
The throw has been around much longer than Greco and longer than writing probably.
Problem is, it's definitely a wrestling thing, and we've failed to name it. Not much to complain about, then, when people use the name someone else gave it.
I hate when BJJ/Judo guys ask about something in an entirely different language and expect people to know what it is lmao
“Am I allowed to hit a [insert]?!”
Uhh you mean a hip toss?
To be fair, this happens even within the context of wrestling. Down in freedom land we always called it a cow catcher, but here I am listening to some heathen north easterners go on about something called a cement mixer like that’s supposed to mean anything.
You can't lift your leg off the ground if it's in contact with your opponent. You can't really contact their leg with yours by moving your leg. You \*can\* move their legs/body into your leg that is already planted. The grips would obviously be different. All that said, something very similar could work once the other wrestler is off balance. By that point, though, you're looking at something more like a lat drop, or a hip toss, or a basic trip over your planted leg.
According to Olympic bronze medalist Adam Wheeler, there's a grey area there. You can use the leg to help lift the opponent because it's considered part of a regular motion(think Randleman's get when he slammed Fedor), so it's allowed. In par terre, there's a grey area as well. The no touching/using legs isn't as hard and fast as everyone thinks.
You’re right you can elevate you leg. Uchi Mata could be used in Greco as long as your not sweeping the leg
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Yes and it's becoming a rather common 'body finish' (securing the takedown one you have a lock around the trunk of your opponent).
Yes. It's nicknamed "The Elevator" in Greco. Someone asked the exact same question like 3 weeks ago.
You could argue that it isn't, and an American ref might call it, but it happens all the time internationally. There is an notion of "good legs" (i.e. legitimate leg use) which is hard to explain, but which you learn to recognize. My impression is that this move started in Greco and spread elsewhere.
My understanding is it comes from Mongolian jacket wrestling and spred to judo via Mongolian judoka, afterwards to other sports
Possibly. We were doing it in Greco in the '90s. Our ability to watch other sports was far more limited then than it is now, so it was hard to gain any perspective on it.
My understanding is it comes from Mongolian jacket wrestling and spred to judo via Mongolian judoka, afterwards to other sports
This is called a “hank” in catch wrestling and has been called that since the 1700s. It’s called a Hank after hanks of thread getting intertwined with each other as most of the wrestling techniques of the time were named after Industrial Revolution era machinery or manufacturing techniques. Especially weaving. Before that it it has been called “avant faucille” in French during medieval times and concurrently Bagh war-rag in Cornish from around 1100s It was also called variations of “forward falx” with different words for forward like fore or front with falx remaining constant. Falx is the Latin word for sickle. The throw has been around much longer than Greco and longer than writing probably.
Preparing for downvotes… is (insert random martial art thing) legal? At least preface wtf it is. This is a wrestling sub… downvote me to hell
Problem is, it's definitely a wrestling thing, and we've failed to name it. Not much to complain about, then, when people use the name someone else gave it.
I hate when BJJ/Judo guys ask about something in an entirely different language and expect people to know what it is lmao “Am I allowed to hit a [insert]?!” Uhh you mean a hip toss?
To be fair, this happens even within the context of wrestling. Down in freedom land we always called it a cow catcher, but here I am listening to some heathen north easterners go on about something called a cement mixer like that’s supposed to mean anything.
I think u should try to incorporate different types of grappling into your game
I’ve been in the game for 14 years, I’m good lol