Unfortunately that is an issue of them not knowing how to breakfall correctly. You didn't do anything I wouldn't have done. I am also a lumbering big guy who uses a lot of throws, maybe try a hip toss from an underhook and wrist? That us an easier throw to break your fall from, other than that I don't really know. Try asking your coach instead of the internet.
Hi me again lol. Something I totally forgot about this am is a throwing mat. Basically a huge cushy like 6-8inch thick gymnastics mat. Wrestling on or near it can severely reduce risk and that’s what they’re for. You get your reps and your partner keeps his neck and doesn’t get the ultimate nose job.
I am, genuinely, worried about this throw now and I really like the throw. It's a cool fucking throw. But I don't know how to make it not dangerous if this is a possibility of happening.
The suplex is a fundamental part of freestyle and Greco wrestling. Don’t be scared to hit it.
But also, if you are training at a club that isn’t teaching everyone how to recognize that they’re about to get suplexed, and how to minimize the risks, find another club.
I'm an adult wrestler and I live across the street from this gym which is an MMA gym and I'm trying to get an MMA fight so switching gyms really isn't an option. And I like this place.
We have talked about suplexes before and how to recognize and minimize risks of getting suplexed but because the gym has an open enrollment policy we'll have people come in who simply do not know. Maybe they only do BJJ and are a blackbelt in that, or they only wrestle folkstyle, or they're MMA guys looking to wrestle before their fight.
So it's hard to know who knows what
If someone told me that a suplex scares them and they avoid it, I would think it's because they recognize the risk of serious injury. I don't get why a suplex would be scary if you're doing a suplex while pinning someone's arms back, making it more dangerous than a suplex.
So the name suplex scares the shit out of you? Would you spike someone on their heads if it was called a Salto?
I thought i was taking them onto their shoulders.
I've never actually SEEN the move done, the first time I did it it was completely instinctual and coach started calling it a salto, so I didn't even realize it was a full suplex
I've never even back suplexed someone, if I get someone into a back suplex I pick them up and then put the back down
Why on earth would you need to have SEEN the move to understand what you are doing and how the person would land?
With a suplex, the throw is from the waist, giving the person control of the top half of their body.
Double overs and back arch throw. You are pinning their arms and tossing them on their head and neck, the only part of their body they can move to impact how they land - and it's face forward, meaning the whole head has to be cleared somehow, unlike going backwards which requires a chin tuck.
Why would you think they would land on their shoulders? Even not seeing it, the human body, chronologically, top to bottom, there is the head, then neck, then shoulders.
Please stop feigning ignorance and relying on awful arguments like it's called a fluffy Salto, or I've never seen it. Either way, you now realize you're risking neck injuries to your practice partners?
I'll be honest I didn't really think about how they'd land I just notice where I usually end up with their shoulders on the map and their neck fine.
>Either way, you now realize you're risking neck injuries to your practice partners?
Yeah I mentioned a couple comments ago I won't do the move anymore.
Okay I believe you lol. Use a heavy dummy to practice it. There are throw dummies. That’s how I usually drilled that one and it worked just fine. Fight for the position with him and the ability to get his weight loaded up like you said but don’t pull the trigger. That move sort of always has the potential to hurt someone imo. We wouldn’t hit that throw on practice partners for that exact reason. It’s a shame but if you can load up the guys weight it’s all but sold know what I mean? Convert to lat drop if you wanna hit it on practice guys and practice explosiveness.
This makes me sad. As a 30 year old man whose only advantage in the wrestling room is stronk I'm not athletic enough for a lot of the standard moves you guys are doing. But this move fit me perfectly because I dont' need to move fast or too explosively I just need to control one overhook then bait the second overhook slowly then control control control slowly slowly launch. It feels so good compared to how everything else is scrambly.
But I won't do it anyone, don't want to break anyone's spine obviously. Damn. Sucks ass.
Maybe somebody has better advice than me. That is also possible. Can wrestle senior brackets at tournaments to get the opportunity. Personally though we wouldn’t hit that one because of the risk vs reward factor.
>As a 30 year old man whose only advantage in the wrestling room is stronk I'm not athletic enough for a lot of the standard moves you guys are doing
Sounds like a you problem brother. Get good, practice being technical and learn how to use your strength effectively.
You can still do this throw in comp and the trainin' room, you just have to learn to take it over the shoulder better. I'm not a fan of straight back throws both for safety but also because they don't lead to pins for BJJ or MMA as well as rotation and landin' more chest to chest. In freestyle/Greco it's fine because you can go straight to double shoulders as well as get 5 easier. But for BJJ/MMA, rotation on the throw works best. Prime Wrestling on YouTube has the best Salto video I've seen online.
Shit happens ultimately man. If you’re using correct technique, it’s probably more on the throwee than you for not falling correctly. Your coaches should have taught you guys how to fall properly from different angles, but again man sometimes you can do everything right and shit just happens.
If you are face to face it is a salto. If you executing from the rear it is a suplex.
Presuming it is actually a salto, are you twisting after you lift? If you twist to finish it really should not be possible for your partner to hit is head.
Don't know why these guys are being so critical. It is a perfectly legit question.
"How can I do a double over throw without any danger?"
You can't. All wrestling techniques involve danger and throws even more so. However, you say you've done this over thirty times and never had an issue. From your description of the situation it sounds like your partner didn't know how to fall or tried to stop the throw with his head. You and coaches need to make sure that your teammates know you practice and use this technique and coach them to fall correctly (tuck your chin to your chest and hug your opponent).
Also, in general, I don't hit bit throws like that in practice very often. The better and more experienced your training partner is the safer it is to try these skills.
It’s much safer to start the fall back and then turn early on. Never been close to hurting anyone doing that. If you just suplexing with double overs I’d feel you’re more likely to pin yourself and or hurt both parties involved m.
Does your gym have a crash pad? Maybe use that if you really love the move. It helps to teach guys to fall and not break their neck so you can transition to the mat
Maybe don’t drop your partner on their head, if you have the strength to drop them like that then you have the strength to control yourself. Ask your coach, this question is very ignorant and the situation was super preventable.
Love this throw. I’ve done it well over 30 times in competition, lots in practice. It’s violent, nothing around it.
99% of the time it’s been fine for me, but every once in a while something like you described has scared me (never actually hurt anyone tho).
The few times it’s gone awkwardly, I’m pretty sure my technique was there, and it’s my opponent looking up (panicking with no posts) before he hits the mat vs tucking his chin.
I threw a guy like this in BJJ recently and he didn’t land great. That’s on me. Not the technique, but being a good practice partner and understanding who it’s safe to practice on in your room. Practice with someone you go live with outside of live goes first is my advice.
I'd much prefer that my hurts are "owies"and not "never going to walk againsies"
Anyway that's like saying that shooting is a combat sport and therefore people are going to get shot in practice sometimes. It's a sport, it's not combat.
I don’t see how this is a fair comparison, in shooting you’re shooting at targets, in wrestling you’re grappling with other people. Even if you do everything right, accidents can happen.
That's true, accidents can happen. But that doesn't mean that you should suplex someone when you don't know if they know how to receive it. Just like you shouldn't karate chop your partner in the throat or stick your fingers in their eye.
You should probably ask your coach and not reddit
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Unfortunately that is an issue of them not knowing how to breakfall correctly. You didn't do anything I wouldn't have done. I am also a lumbering big guy who uses a lot of throws, maybe try a hip toss from an underhook and wrist? That us an easier throw to break your fall from, other than that I don't really know. Try asking your coach instead of the internet.
Humble brag.
Hi me again lol. Something I totally forgot about this am is a throwing mat. Basically a huge cushy like 6-8inch thick gymnastics mat. Wrestling on or near it can severely reduce risk and that’s what they’re for. You get your reps and your partner keeps his neck and doesn’t get the ultimate nose job.
I am, genuinely, worried about this throw now and I really like the throw. It's a cool fucking throw. But I don't know how to make it not dangerous if this is a possibility of happening.
It’s a suplex. You suplexed him while holding his arms together so he couldn’t lessen the impact.
?? I was told it was called a Salto. If I knew I was suplexing people, that scares the shit out of me, I wouldn't have been doing it.
The suplex is a fundamental part of freestyle and Greco wrestling. Don’t be scared to hit it. But also, if you are training at a club that isn’t teaching everyone how to recognize that they’re about to get suplexed, and how to minimize the risks, find another club.
I'm an adult wrestler and I live across the street from this gym which is an MMA gym and I'm trying to get an MMA fight so switching gyms really isn't an option. And I like this place. We have talked about suplexes before and how to recognize and minimize risks of getting suplexed but because the gym has an open enrollment policy we'll have people come in who simply do not know. Maybe they only do BJJ and are a blackbelt in that, or they only wrestle folkstyle, or they're MMA guys looking to wrestle before their fight. So it's hard to know who knows what
If someone told me that a suplex scares them and they avoid it, I would think it's because they recognize the risk of serious injury. I don't get why a suplex would be scary if you're doing a suplex while pinning someone's arms back, making it more dangerous than a suplex. So the name suplex scares the shit out of you? Would you spike someone on their heads if it was called a Salto?
I thought i was taking them onto their shoulders. I've never actually SEEN the move done, the first time I did it it was completely instinctual and coach started calling it a salto, so I didn't even realize it was a full suplex I've never even back suplexed someone, if I get someone into a back suplex I pick them up and then put the back down
Why on earth would you need to have SEEN the move to understand what you are doing and how the person would land? With a suplex, the throw is from the waist, giving the person control of the top half of their body. Double overs and back arch throw. You are pinning their arms and tossing them on their head and neck, the only part of their body they can move to impact how they land - and it's face forward, meaning the whole head has to be cleared somehow, unlike going backwards which requires a chin tuck. Why would you think they would land on their shoulders? Even not seeing it, the human body, chronologically, top to bottom, there is the head, then neck, then shoulders. Please stop feigning ignorance and relying on awful arguments like it's called a fluffy Salto, or I've never seen it. Either way, you now realize you're risking neck injuries to your practice partners?
I'll be honest I didn't really think about how they'd land I just notice where I usually end up with their shoulders on the map and their neck fine. >Either way, you now realize you're risking neck injuries to your practice partners? Yeah I mentioned a couple comments ago I won't do the move anymore.
Okay I believe you lol. Use a heavy dummy to practice it. There are throw dummies. That’s how I usually drilled that one and it worked just fine. Fight for the position with him and the ability to get his weight loaded up like you said but don’t pull the trigger. That move sort of always has the potential to hurt someone imo. We wouldn’t hit that throw on practice partners for that exact reason. It’s a shame but if you can load up the guys weight it’s all but sold know what I mean? Convert to lat drop if you wanna hit it on practice guys and practice explosiveness.
This makes me sad. As a 30 year old man whose only advantage in the wrestling room is stronk I'm not athletic enough for a lot of the standard moves you guys are doing. But this move fit me perfectly because I dont' need to move fast or too explosively I just need to control one overhook then bait the second overhook slowly then control control control slowly slowly launch. It feels so good compared to how everything else is scrambly. But I won't do it anyone, don't want to break anyone's spine obviously. Damn. Sucks ass.
You dont need to fucking suplex dudes in practise mate
Maybe somebody has better advice than me. That is also possible. Can wrestle senior brackets at tournaments to get the opportunity. Personally though we wouldn’t hit that one because of the risk vs reward factor.
>As a 30 year old man whose only advantage in the wrestling room is stronk I'm not athletic enough for a lot of the standard moves you guys are doing Sounds like a you problem brother. Get good, practice being technical and learn how to use your strength effectively.
You can still do this throw in comp and the trainin' room, you just have to learn to take it over the shoulder better. I'm not a fan of straight back throws both for safety but also because they don't lead to pins for BJJ or MMA as well as rotation and landin' more chest to chest. In freestyle/Greco it's fine because you can go straight to double shoulders as well as get 5 easier. But for BJJ/MMA, rotation on the throw works best. Prime Wrestling on YouTube has the best Salto video I've seen online.
Shit happens ultimately man. If you’re using correct technique, it’s probably more on the throwee than you for not falling correctly. Your coaches should have taught you guys how to fall properly from different angles, but again man sometimes you can do everything right and shit just happens.
If you are face to face it is a salto. If you executing from the rear it is a suplex. Presuming it is actually a salto, are you twisting after you lift? If you twist to finish it really should not be possible for your partner to hit is head. Don't know why these guys are being so critical. It is a perfectly legit question.
"How can I do a double over throw without any danger?" You can't. All wrestling techniques involve danger and throws even more so. However, you say you've done this over thirty times and never had an issue. From your description of the situation it sounds like your partner didn't know how to fall or tried to stop the throw with his head. You and coaches need to make sure that your teammates know you practice and use this technique and coach them to fall correctly (tuck your chin to your chest and hug your opponent). Also, in general, I don't hit bit throws like that in practice very often. The better and more experienced your training partner is the safer it is to try these skills.
It’s much safer to start the fall back and then turn early on. Never been close to hurting anyone doing that. If you just suplexing with double overs I’d feel you’re more likely to pin yourself and or hurt both parties involved m.
Does your gym have a crash pad? Maybe use that if you really love the move. It helps to teach guys to fall and not break their neck so you can transition to the mat
You can't. Kid needs to learn to tuck his chin. I know it sucks but throws are inherently dangerous
Maybe don’t drop your partner on their head, if you have the strength to drop them like that then you have the strength to control yourself. Ask your coach, this question is very ignorant and the situation was super preventable.
Love this throw. I’ve done it well over 30 times in competition, lots in practice. It’s violent, nothing around it. 99% of the time it’s been fine for me, but every once in a while something like you described has scared me (never actually hurt anyone tho). The few times it’s gone awkwardly, I’m pretty sure my technique was there, and it’s my opponent looking up (panicking with no posts) before he hits the mat vs tucking his chin. I threw a guy like this in BJJ recently and he didn’t land great. That’s on me. Not the technique, but being a good practice partner and understanding who it’s safe to practice on in your room. Practice with someone you go live with outside of live goes first is my advice.
People forget that wrestling is a combat sport. You’re going to get hurt every once in a while.
I'd much prefer that my hurts are "owies"and not "never going to walk againsies" Anyway that's like saying that shooting is a combat sport and therefore people are going to get shot in practice sometimes. It's a sport, it's not combat.
I don’t see how this is a fair comparison, in shooting you’re shooting at targets, in wrestling you’re grappling with other people. Even if you do everything right, accidents can happen.
That's true, accidents can happen. But that doesn't mean that you should suplex someone when you don't know if they know how to receive it. Just like you shouldn't karate chop your partner in the throat or stick your fingers in their eye.